I have no idea if anyone at ESPN actually ranks people.  There’s talk of it.  Like, “Yo, Klara Bell, you do your rankings yet?”  “No, did you?”  Then Cockcroft makes farting noises with his armpit.  All I ever see at ESPN is consensus rankings.  I have to figure out how to do this “consensus” thing.  Talk about a nice way to avoid taking any blame for anything.  “Hey, man, sorry about Andrew McCutchen being ranked so high this year, but these are ‘consensus’ rankings.”  Let’s turn to a conversation between two random fantasy baseballers.  “Cockcroft has said he doesn’t like Cano this year.”  “But ESPN has him 34th overall.”  “Yeah, doesn’t apply when talking about Cockcroft.”  “So, when does it apply?”  “When talking about ESPN.”  “But Cockcroft is at ESPN”  “Yeah, still doesn’t apply.”  “Can you explain that?”  “Nope.”  Then heads explode.  Consensus rankings are done by committee.  Only thing ever done better by committee is jerk seasoning.  Now, while you might think ESPN’s rankings have a ton of jerk seasoning, they are just an indecipherable mess.  But why bring up all of this when I’m about to take a blowtorch to Yahoo’s 2017 fantasy baseball rankings?  Thanks for asking, clunky expositional question!  Yahoo has consensus rankings, but they also show their work.  Each ‘pert is accounted for in their rankings.  This is already much better than ESPN.  You can at least see what Pianowski, Funston, Behrens and Triple D are thinking individually.  This, of course, doesn’t mean I agree with all of their rankings, but at least I can point to how they came to their consensus.  Anyway, here’s where my 2017 fantasy baseball rankings differ from the 2017 Yahoo fantasy baseball rankings:

Let’s go with some facts, because everyone loves facts, at least that’s what I heard on some Fake News broadcast.  Last year, Freddie Freeman was the 23rd best player on our Fantasy Baseball Player Rater.  Throw out pitchers, because I don’t believe in drafting pitchers high, and he’s the 21st best (that’s right, only two pitchers in the top 23.  Yet, everyone’s got you drafting multiple pitchers in the top 20.  Any hoo!).  Freeman is on a less-than-stellar team, but that team was less-than-stellar last year.  The Braves got better this offseason, I’d contend, maybe not the best word here because they’re not that good.  So, Freeman’s going to be worst this year?  Why?  He’s 27 years old; his power is peaking; he had the best Hard Contact percentage for players still playing (bye-bye, Papi); he led the league in line drive percentage; has a good track record of health; 1st base isn’t as stacked as it once was; he chucks in a few steals and he gets on base.  That tells me, I want Freeman, and I’ve ranked him as such.  Yahoo, though, they have him ranked 30th overall.  He’s going to be worse this year?  They have six starters in front of him.  Six!  Sale in front of Freeman?  That only makes sense in the midst of a standard riot conversation such as, “Sale?  Nah, it’s free, man!” then you throw a lawn chair through a window.

Here’s a fun one, and by ‘fun’ I mean it makes you scratch your head until it bleeds.  A 24-year-old hits 27 homers and steals eight bags in only 97 games.  A 31-year-old hits 25 homers and steals two bases in 150 games.  The 24-year-old is ranked 36th and the 31-year-old is ranked 35.  The 24-year-old is a shortstop; the 31-year-old is an outfielder.  The 24-year-old–Oh, c’mon already!  You know it’s Story and CarGo.  Though, tee bee aitch, this isn’t just Yahoo; everyone has Story much further down in the rankings than I do in my top 20.  Rudy’s Yahoo 12-team rankings has Story down in the 70’s overall.  Ouch.  Like a cat jumping out of a closet, this is shocking to me.  This scenario works for horror films, or when a male cat lives with a female cat for 18 years, then says it’s gay.

Yahoo, like most everyone, also loves Kyle Schwarber.  Okay, I kinda love him too, but not at his price.  Right now the gang at Yahoo has him at 53 overall.  By gang, I mean ‘Our Gang’ and Funston is Alfalfa.  Hard to argue hard against Schwarber, because he does do some great things well.  The big problem is he’s in a platoon, and Maddon won last year without him, so I doubt he’ll be in a hurry to rock the boat and start Schwarber every day.  Baez needs to play, Almora will play and you know Maddon loves a guy like The Federalist.  Schwarber can’t have top 50 value and platoon.  Pianowski seems to agree, docking him about twenty spots in the rankings, but Behrens is channeling his inner Joe Buck and ranking Schwarber at 37 overall, in front of guys like J.D. Martinez, Story, Ian Desmond, Villar, Cespedes, well, the list goes on obvi if he’s at 37 overall.  Before I blow a casket like a necrophilic who doesn’t know the idiom is gasket, I’m moving on.

*me scanning down the starter rankings vs. my starter rankings*  Looks fine, looks okay, Strasburg is too high, but that’s fine.  Wow, a lot of these look pretty similar–WAIT A SECOND, MATT HARVEY IS RANKED WHERE?!  Hold up (wait a minute!), he’s ranked in front of Lance McCullers?  Jameson Taillon?  Rich Hill? James Paxton?  Matt Harvey who may not be able to pitch as effectively as he once pitched?  That Matt Harvey?  I want no part of Matt Harvey in any league.  Okay, one league, the league where you have a category: Times A Pitcher Says He Is Healthy While Not Being Healthy, because you know he’s going to dominant that category.  My Magic Eight Ball says, “Matt Harvey will be on the DL while saying he does not need to be on the DL at least three times this year.”  All due respect, Magic Eight Ball, I think you’re underestimating Harvey’s ability to be injured and not say he’s injured.

(For those wondering if I’m going to look at CBS’s rankings, I’m not.  CBS’s rankings are like a 3-month-old pooping on your couch.  If you use CBS’s rankings, you should’ve known better to leave non-diapered rankings where you didn’t want them to defecate.)

I’m going to list players in a handy chart like I did the other day with ESPN’s rankings.  The Thank You’s have it.  It being good value from my rankings vs. Yahoo’s.  The No Thank You’s don’t have it.  They’re bad people.  Meh, they might be okay people, but they’re likely not ending up on any of my Yahoo drafted teams.  For this, I’ll be using my 2017 fantasy baseball rankings (go figure!) and Yahoo’s 2017 fantasy baseball rankings (crazy, right?).

THANK YOU

Player Grey’s Ranking Yahoo’s Ranking Overall Difference
Overall Overall
Rougned Odor
14 42 28
Freddie Freeman 15 30 15
George Springer
16 27 11
Ian Desmond
19 45 26
Trevor Story
20 36 16
Jonathan Villar
31 51 20
Hanley Ramirez
39 69 30
Anthony Rendon
41 83 42
Mark Trumbo
47 85 38
David Dahl
58 77 19
Justin Turner 62 115 53
Danny Duffy 74 116 42
Max Kepler 78 269 191
Danny Salazar
82 113 31
Rich Hill
90 117 27
Nomar Mazara
92 190 98
Byron Buxton 93 169 76
Addison Russell
100 150 50
Marcus Semien
101 227 126
Devon Travis
110 180 70
Tommy Joseph
121 230 109
Kelvin Herrera
129 195 66
Michael Pineda
147 207 60
Jonathan Gray
148 205 57

NO THANK YOU

Player Grey’s Ranking Yahoo’s Ranking Overall Difference
Overall Overall
Clayton Kershaw
21 5 16
Corey Seager
30 16 14
A.J. Pollock
59 33 26
Carlos Gonzalez
79 35 44
Daniel Murphy
69 39 30
Christian Yelich
76 47 29
David Price
72 50 22
Stephen Strasburg
73 52 21
Kyle Schwarber
98 53 45
Buster Posey
103 59 44
Andrew McCutchen 99 61 38
Matt Carpenter 122 71 51
Dee Gordon 109 74 35
Zack Greinke 154 88 66
Michael Fulmer 181 111 70
Matt Harvey 191 114 77
Troy Tulowitzki 204 152 52
Brian McCann 273 165 108
  1. henncoop says:
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    Once again at work and having a good night (knocks on wood) . Nice bit of distraction to take in the latest fantasy wisdom you are so nice to dish up to your motley group of Razzball fans.
    Knowing what ESPN & Yahoo have for rankings compared to my Razzball rankings does give me (us) an even bigger advantage in the upcoming drafts ….so thanks for that & all you put into this endeavor.
    I do plan to join a RCL league finally if nothing else to learn from the best by competing with them. My question would be since we all are Razzballers …how do we manage to have any sort of edge?? Just bump players up or down slightly according to personal preferences & beliefs?? Not that we would use ESPN or Yahoo rankings or draft Kershaw in the 1st round …blasphemy
    Looking forward to getting in at least one league here this year …finally

    • goranlokin says:
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      @henncoop: We drafted in our RCL league last night and it comes down to personal preference, what type of team you’re trying to build, and – honestly – if someone is on auto-draft.

      That being said, Kershaw went at 15, so take that as you will.

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Wow, that’s pretty late

        • For an Armenianless Vacation come to Akron says:
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          @Grey: according to win or truss that didn’t happen even once last year. maybe even last TWO years. in no RCL. ever.

  2. Fister Furbush says:
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    Do you see any sense in having multiple Seattle hitters on a team?
    For instance…
    Cruz, Cano and Seager?

    In a roto league. That’s a lot of power and I’d obviously have to make up speed in my outfield. I’m from Seattle and biased as hell, so if this isn’t such a great idea, help this young fella out.

    • kingforaday151 says:
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      @Fister Furbush: I’ve debated this idea, especially when batters are back to back (to back maybe) in the order. It’s my opinion that it’s non-factor, I don’t see a reduction in counting stats.

      • M says:
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        @kingforaday151: Stacking Rox hitters in a roto league can’t hurt?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Fister Furbush: I don’t have a problem with multiple players from same team

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Fister Furbush: Of course, it matters a bit in H2H, but not roto

  3. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!!!

    Loved the write-up/post, especially just the concept of having a gay cat come out of the closet after 18 years! I’m currently reading Franz Kafka’s ‘Letter to my father’ and your Kafkaesque comment is better than the passage I was just reading!

    a. Made it to N’Djamena (cue the Lionel Richie song, All night long) yesterday. No Internet access AT ALL in the 5-star hotel I’m at! Amazingly, had a lot of free time this AM and I actually loved it!

    b. Am at the meeting (day 1 of the 2-day meeting, someone please take me outside and shoot me) and at the meeting we have like 6 different regions/groups invited. So, when group 1 presents their report (20 minutes+5 minutes for questions), the other 5 groups are all looking down under the desk at their smart phones either surfing or replying to what’s app etc… (Sorry to remind you of the time when you left the country). We should adopt the Japanese meeting room policy – all mobile phones and laptops in the basket in front of the meeting leader until it’s over! It makes for much better time management than anything else I have seen.

    Cheers,
    Ante

  4. Chud says:
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    Yahoo!’s rankings r as out of date as their email – brutal. 10 team full keeper salary trade: I give Cano (38)/Quintana (7) & get Dozier (13)/David Price (24).

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Chud: Ha… I’d take Dozier, but fair

  5. kingforaday151 says:
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    Love the aggressive rank of Kepler compared to other ‘experts’, keeper question with regards to him….

    Pick three of Braun ($28), Desmond ($35), Springer ($22), Castellanos ($5), and Kepler ($5)…?

    • Ra'zbahl Al Ghul says:
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      @kingforaday151: agreed, I’m all in on Kepler thanks to G’s rankings jobbers

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        @Ra’zbahl Al Ghul: BTW, I figured out why your comments end up in moderation every time, site’s not playing nice with usernames with an apostrophe

        • S'All Goooood, Man says:
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          @Grey: Ahhh so that’s why my comments always go into moderation.

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Yup, sorry… Can try Sall Goooood, Man

            • jimbo says:
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              @Grey:
              or Saul Goodman if he’s a good Jewish boy.

    • JeF WiTh 1 F says:
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      @kingforaday151: Braun, Springer and Kepler for me…I like Desmond but not at that price…assuming your budget is somewhere around $260

    • PEDs3 says:
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      @kingforaday151: Yahoo’s rank of Kepler is very low, no doubt, but Grey’s ranking is just crazy! He profiles as a 20-10 .260 guy hitting in a bad park in a bad lineup. I think 150 overall is where he should be. Springer, Braun, Castellanos.

  6. Jp says:
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    Grey-4×4 Hr, RBI, Avg and SB. AL only 12 team. Cain @23 for 1 year or Nick Franklin at$5 and AJ Reed at $2 both for two years. Rebuilding a team I just took over. Thanks

    • JeF WiTh 1 F says:
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      @Jp: I don’t see Franklin being much use so really its just Reed for Cain…You can probably do better or get a better 2nd piece other than Franklin

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jp: Agree with F

  7. StewZilla says:
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    I might have broken my league by currently having 9 out of your top 20 arms….and that’s AFTER I traded Arrieta for Trea Turner. Should we just skip the formalities and declare me the victor or will I end up with 2 TJ’s, a groin strain, a PRP injection and a loose body in a pear tree?

    Noah Syndergaard
    Jon Lester
    Carlos Carrasco
    Danny Salazar
    Justin Verlander
    Kenta Maeda
    Chris Archer
    Carlos Martinez
    Jake Odorizzi
    Danny Duffy

    • JeF WiTh 1 F says:
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      @StewZilla: Hows your offense look…before we declare.

    • JeF WiTh 1 F says:
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      @StewZilla: Love the staff though

      • Jonance says:
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        @JeF WiTh 1 F:

        It’s an auction keeper…i’m in great shape on Offense as well:

        Jonathan LuCroy
        Miguel Cabrera
        Robinson Cano
        Todd Frazier
        Trea Turner
        Bryce Harper
        Yeonis Cespedes
        Gregory Polanco
        Nelson Cruz
        Ian Desmond
        Hanley Ramirez
        Eric Thames

      • Jonance says:
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        @Grey:

        Gotcha covered :)

        Jonathan LuCroy
        Miguel Cabrera
        Robinson Cano
        Todd Frazier
        Trea Turner
        Bryce Harper
        Yeonis Cespedes
        Gregory Polanco
        Nelson Cruz
        Ian Desmond
        Hanley Ramirez
        Eric Thames

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Looks solid!

  8. Blitz says:
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    5×5 10 team standard roto, $430 cap, take 9 pitchers. Aces and upper tier starters go for $40 or more. Who is better value as last keeper? Michael Fullmer for $10 or deGrom for $25? Thanks!

    • JeF WiTh 1 F says:
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      @Blitz: I’d keep deGrom…He makes Grey quiver though

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Blitz: Agree with F

  9. Trevor Story is currently #34 on my Yahoo Pre-Season Player Rater. I had to remove the default setting of “All Rockie SS miss 40% of the season due to injury” :)

    • The great Knoche says:
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      @Rudy Gamble: That’s good stuff. Tulo did play 155 games in 2007, so maybe it’s a ten year cycle about to come true once more.

      • Rockie SS are like Amish bowlers. They can play 160 games in a season but their seasons are 1.5x longer.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha

  10. Bas says:
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    Hi Grey,

    Next week I have to submit my keepers (we keep 8) in my 12 team 5×5 league. We can keep forever at no costs. Can also keep 4, 5 or 6 or 7 guys. The rest goes back in the pool and I can fill the 8 spots with al the players send back. We have 5 outfielder spots.

    I have Rizzo, Cespedes, Altuve, Car-Go, K. Davis, W. Davis, Kimbrell, Salazar, Lester, Schoop, J-Upton and Billy Hamilton.

    I can make a trade where I send of Car-Go for Dozier and Segura. I take that offer right (I just look at the rankings;-))? And who should I keep for the rest besides Rizzo, Cespedes, Altuve, Dozier?

    Many thanks as always,
    Bas from Holland

    • JeF WiTh 1 F says:
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      @Bas: Id go with : Rizzo, Cespedes, Altuve, Dozier, Segura, Lester, Salazar and K.Davis
      Than maybe you can flip segura for an area of need later.

      • Bas says:
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        @JeF WiTh 1 F: Thanks Jef WiTh 1 F!

        Have a hard time dropping both closers to be honest. I was thinking of keeping one instead of K. Davis or Segura. But on the other hand they both come with lot’s of risks.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Bas: I’d want Dozier side — agree with F on keepers

  11. M says:
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    Great post-my leaguemates treat Yahoo & ESPN like the mecca of fantasy knowledge

    Had no part of Tulo, Schwarber, Grienke, McCutch, Pollock & Sano last year and loved it!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @M: Thanks!

  12. FuzzyD says:
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    This is a great article, but did you dictate it to someone while trimming your mustache? Too many spelling errors for me to believe that no one transcribed this! I know, no one likes the grammar police. I still love the site but may need to listen to the audiobook version..

    • Robert says:
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      @FuzzyD:

      Why? Don’t you want to dominant your league?

      • FuzzyD says:
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        @Robert:

        Nice one, You through that one in there!

  13. Clogged Rosterman says:
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    Are you willing to pay more for saves as leagues get bigger? Or do you stay constant/decrease value because there will be more people struggling to get saves?

  14. Bob says:
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    What do you rank odor in an OBP league?

  15. Lincecuminmypants says:
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    In my keeper league, I have Thor for 15th round keeper cost. Also, have Miggy and Goldy for 1st rounders. If I can, should I try to trade Thor for Bryce (also a 1st rounder). I’m keeping Nola and Maeda for low cost. Figure anything in the 3rd round of the draft won’t be as good as Harper and I can rebuild pitching easier than building an outfield.

  16. Sideshow27 says:
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    Are you considering dropping Chris Tillman based on him likely starting the year on the DL?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Sideshow27: He’s supposed to miss one or two starts, I’m not moving him

  17. Warren says:
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    $20 Donaldson or $5 Darvish?

  18. Dr Y says:
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    10 mixed keeper auction. keep 3 players, for 3 year max with $3 raises from auction price. $260 budget, 5 OF, no CI or MI. last years auction, Giancarlo, Goldy and trout all brought $55. players not sold at auction are all $10.

    choose 3:

    Trea Turner $13 (plus $16 next year)
    Mookie $44 ($47 next)
    Hendricks $5 ($8 next)
    Machado $16 (expires this season)
    Correa $16 (expires this season)
    Trumbo $6 ($9 next season)

    • Hoboken Squat Cobblers says:
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      @Dr Y: I’m no ‘spert but, give me Trea, Machado and Correa all day at those prices. Goal is to win now, forget contract length…except as a tiebreaker to equally valued players.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Dr Y: Machado $16 (expires this season)
      Correa $16 (expires this season)
      Turner

    • Dr Y says:
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      @Dr Y:

      Thank you both. confirmed my thoughts ;)

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        No problem

  19. Mad Beach Bums says:
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    Hey all, looking for thoughts on a trade offer I received. It is a 12 team h2h keeper, keep 12 league 7×7 with H, ops as extra cats for hitters and Losses & K/9 the extra for pitchers. They offered Their Goldy, stressburg, joc, osuna for my Thor & Benny baseball. I do need a 1B as I currently have CH Davis and would love to upgrade. Are Thor and benny just too young and good to let go even for goldschmidt? I’m countering with something to get him to include Springer instead of joc and osuna. The chance of getting Goldy as my 1B is just soooo enticing. Thanks for any help!

  20. Brett says:
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    Grey,

    Curious on your thoughts regarding Peraza after the Phillips trade? Sorry if I missed it if you already discussed.

  21. bossmanjunior333 says:
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    Hola Grey

    What is the best was to adjust for an OBP league using your rankings? Just follow the Razzball/Steamer projections? Thanks!

  22. Brian says:
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    S’up Grey.

    in a 16 team 6×6 h2h dynasty with QS instead of W and k/bb. My SPs are dicey. last year jofer made up for a lot of blech. This year (sniff sniff) i don’t have a stud to support my slackers especially now that reyes is done for the year. Right now i have price, teheran, sonny gray, duffy, salazar, quintana, gausman, gsellman, clay (ha ha), liriano. Been offered shoemaker for my 2nd and 3rd round minor league draft pick next year (2018). I’m in win now mode and finished in the top 2 the last 2 years, so i’d say those picks project to be around the 30th and 45th picks. I’m inclined to do it. What say you?

    Kick ass job as always. That headshot looks like a gloriously young dewey evans.

    • Grey

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      @Brian: Thanks! I’d take Shoemaker

  23. Jason says:
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    Excellent post Grey, thanks for the info!

  24. Simply Fred

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    Grey encouraged me to post my noggin busters here.I don’t have issues with his rankings, per se. I do, however, not understand why his stats occasionally don’t appear to reflect those standings. Examples:

    rnk/player /POS/AB /R /HR /RBI/SB/AVG
    39/Hanley Ramirez/1B/518/84/25/89/6/0.278
    132/Maikel Franco /3B/591/79/30/95/2/0.277

    35 /Jean Segura /2B/SS/580/83/11/46/27/0.274
    139/Odubel Herrera/OF/ 551/79/11/83/27/0.292

    Thoughts?

    • Simply Fred

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      @simply fred: One of the real impacts is that the War Room projects outcomes based on the stats, not on rankings.

    • Simply Fred

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      @simply fred: So, given Grey’s “Thanks!”, I hope that encourages input! :=)

      • Humm Baby says:
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        @simply fred: You have take into account position depth within the rankings. Those stats coming from Segura, at 2B/SS will be more valuable than from a 3rd or 4th OF, thus I assume why Segura is ranked so much higher than Herrera. Same thing with Hanley, bc 1B is shallow this year, thus all the references to Grey having to take Abreu often in drafts. At least I think that’s what Grey’s response would be.

    • @simply fred: Hanley will likely be standing above all the remaining 1B when 39 rolls around. 3B has lots of decent options if you miss on the top guys. Segura stats are harder to find for a shortstop than an outfielder. 2B eligible doesn’t hurt.

      • Simply Fred

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        @Chuck U Farley: Appreciate your input! I understand the logic, so, let’s take POS out of the discussion. How do you explain these:

        rnk/player /POS/AB /R /HR /RBI/SB/AVG

        39/Hanley Ramirez/1B/518/84/25/89/ 6/.278
        105/Brad Miller/1B-SS/531/76/25/93//10/.251

        Runs and RBIs a push, HR dead even, Miller 4+SB…66 slots for .027 AVG gain for Hanley?

        93/Byron Buxton /OF/ 522/65/18/57/26/.232
        139/Odubel Herrera/OF/ 551/79/11/83/27/.292

        Buxton loses every cat except 7 HRs, yet he is 46 slots earlier? Herrera dominates R+RBI by 40 and AVG by .060!

        • Grey

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          There’s more to rankings than numbers… Hanley is safer, better lineup, about to DH, etc — It’s why I put thoughts down for players

          • Simply Fred

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            @Grey: No argument. My point is that ‘safer’, ‘better lineup’, ‘about to DH’ should be reflected in the numbers.

            You ranted about ESPN rankings being so terrible (I don’t disagree), yet, from the same post last year, ESPN had more closer to end of year Razz Ratings than did yours. :-(

            I am on a mission to change that! Put your money where your intangibles are and reflect them in the stats…or not.

            None of this changes…I love you man!

            • Grey

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              Giancarlo is a 40-homer, .250 guy, why don’t you draft him in the top 10? Cause he doesn’t stay healthy

              • Simply Fred

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                @Grey: Is he a 40-homer guy in a full season, or for only the time he is healthy. If his stats reflect the time you expect him on the field, then they are your stats.

            • Simply Fred

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              @simply fred: And, your thoughts aren not reflected in something like the War Room, or stat sheets that we put together to get a balanced lineup. Cust Kayin’

          • Simply Fred

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            @Grey: What about Buxton. I missed your ‘thoughts’ that explain his upside over Herrera’s.

            Buxton slated to bat 8th (per roster resource). He had 298 AB last year.
            Herrera slated to bat 3rd. He had 583 AB last year. You have him slated for 20 more ABs than Buxton this year.

            Thoughts? And, is there any glimmer that it might be nice to include them in the stats?

            • Simply Fred

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              @simply fred: BTW: Rudy/Steamer Auction Values have Buxton ranked 240, Herrera at 96. Take a look at his post today about marginal playing time adjustments.

              • Simply Fred

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                @simply fred: Sorry, that is 243, not 240.

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                Will do

                • Simply Fred

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                  @Grey: I rest my case. If I wanted to get 100% stats-driven rankings, I would go elsewhere. Wanted to reaffirm that this discussion was well intenteded…thought I had discovered something that had missed your eye.

  25. Blackjack says:
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    Mercifully, if any set of “experts” could credibly claim they were hacked, it’s these Yahoos.

    In a 12 team H2H cats league with a set of keepers hopefully looking like:
    Turner
    Bogaerts
    Myers
    Arenado

    Without giving you any other helpful information, generally speaking, would you leave those with OF eligibility in the infield and target stronger OF players, backing up the infield with cheap upside late? Or, do the reverse and take other strong infielders, bumping those guys into the grass?

    Keep up the Greyte work. Just as I think I’m getting a handle on the bob and weave of jokes in your articles, blowing a casket is a left cross out of nowhere.

    • Blackjack says:
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      @Blackjack: OK, maybe just a little more helpful info. Lineups are 8 traditional positions plus 2 Utils.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha, thanks! Yeah, target strong OFs

  26. Big Odio says:
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    That’s a hell of an exit velocity being able to throw a lawn chair through a window….or a real cheap window.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Maybe a little of both

      • Big Odio says:
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        @Grey: You watch crashing or that other HBO show yet?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          What other HBO show?

          • Big Odio says:
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            @Grey: Big Little Lies?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Nah, I told you Cougs was out of town working (Baton Rouge and St. Louis)… I’m not watching that without her — I did tell you that, right? Maybe I said it to someone else

              • Big Odio says:
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                @Grey: you told me both separately. Now it makes sense. Yes wait, its a total chick show…not that there is anything wrong with that

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Yeah, don’t even really care to see it, but will watch b/c she wants to

                  • Big Odio says:
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                    @Grey: I like the way the put it together. Very tricky, forces you to tune in the next week

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Hey, I love the movie Beaches, so I’m down to check it out

                    • Big Odio says:
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                      Think Beaches meets the night of

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      HA…That sounds amazing!

                • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                  @Big Odio: Where’s your gravatar? I’m scared.

                    • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                      @Big Odio: Weird, I seem to not be seeing a few of regulars.

                    • Big Odio says:
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                      Its a sign, I need to disappear

  27. Relsh says:
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    Great post, love being in a CBS league.

    6×6 H2H
    Keep Dahl for a 19th or Trumbo for a 15th?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, thanks! Dahl

  28. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Seconded on the CBS prong! It’s hilarious what some of their projections look like.

    A bit off topic, but really digging the Trea ($30) and Villar ($19) auction values in ESPN. With Altuve regularly going near $50, you can basically get two Altuves for the price of one. THANK YOU!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      That’s insane, Villar is $19?!

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: In 12 teamers, Villar AND STORY (!) are both $19. Freeman is $25 to Rizzo’s $37 (big value for similar players).

        Seager is like $28 or something. Trea is $30, which is close to our valuation . . . but then you see that Altuve is $50!

        If you’re drafting with people who follow the given auction values more or less, I don’t see how you don’t end up with Trea, Villar, Story, Freeman on every team.

        I think I mentioned this before, but Dahl is only $8. LOL.

        Also can’t stop mentioned that McCullers and Paxton are $1 friggin dollar each.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Story’s 19?! C’mon — McCullers and Paxton are $1!

          • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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            @Grey: True stor–

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Ha!

  29. Slowmez says:
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    Keeper selection time! We get to keep up to 5, for each of the first rounds. 10 team ESPN h2h 5×5 categories. Any of these guys make you nervous enough to swap in either Polanco or Dahl? We start 5 OF, so it makes me a little nervous not keeping an OF.

    – Rizzo
    – Miggy
    – Sherzer
    – Story
    – Odor

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nope

  30. Evan says:
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    Grey, Keeper question..

    Can only keep 2 of the following…

    * J. Turner
    * Bregman
    * J. Abreu
    * JBJ
    * Benintendi

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Turner, Abreu

  31. Brian says:
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    In a 20 team 6×6 dynasty league that uses k/bb as extra cat. I need to drop 2 of gsellman, adam conley, and junior guerra. who would you drop? I can’t make up my mind. I’m leaning gsellman right now but i’ll probably change my mind in an hr

    thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Guerra, Gsellman

      • Brian says:
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        @Grey: drop guerra and gsellman and keep conley, right?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yup

  32. JoeG414 says:
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    6X6 13 Team deep mixed roto. Keeping Harper as a 1st rounder ,Pick 12. Who to get next as pick 15: Oder , Bogarets or Lindor ? I know the others (and most of the top middle inf.) won’t be around for pickup 38.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Odor

    • JoeG414 says:
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      @JoeG414: Springer could also be a choice at 15

      • Cram It says:
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        @JoeG414: He has Odor ranked above all of them.

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        You know my rankings

        • JoeG414 says:
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          @Grey:
          Thanks . Then I’ll shot for Russell and or Schoop around picks 119

        • Cram It says:
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          @Grey: You can lead a horse to water…

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            @Cram, was the email you use here the right one for the RCL?

  33. The Alchemist says:
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    Note that in recent years, yahoo has updated their rankings during draft season. The updated rankings tend to edge quite a bit closer to Grey’s ranks, so the best differential plays may not be around for long.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, true

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Quite the video, huh? You sound like a librarian

      • Big Odio says:
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        @Grey: this masterfuckingpiece theater

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Better!

  34. MattTruss

    MattTruss says:
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    For those with odd schedules or that live in odd places, there’s an RCL drafting at 8 AM ET tomorrow with 1 spot open: https://razzball.com/rcl-update-get-game/

    Fill ‘er up!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I tweeted it out

  35. Johnnie clutch says:
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    Curious why you don’t have Segura or Carlos Santana flagged, I’ve been able to grab them so late in all the Yahoo mocks I’ve done. Think there’s 30+ difference in both rankings

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I didn’t flag every player, just ones that jumped out at me

  36. A-Ram Baller says:
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    Hey Grey, 12 team standard H2H. 3 keeper. Mine are Rizzo, Blackmon and Stanton. Was offered Lindor for Stanton. Thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d take Lindor

  37. Mookie Wilson 1 says:
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    Fowler at $15 or Broxton at $10? $260 league, 10 team NL only.. Fowler entering last year of contract and can be extended before this season at $5/yr. Broxton in second year of 3 year contract and can be extended before next season.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Broxton

  38. The One and Only says:
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    Hey Grey,

    12 team H2H keeper league (we keep 11)- would you make this trade:

    I’d get Springer/Paxton/Gausman for Cano/Lester (Villar would be my 2B then)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sounds decent

  39. Big league choo says:
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    12 team keeper, keep up to 10 (280$) budget 6×6 OPS
    5$ inflation
    2 C league

    C Seager 21$
    JD Martinez 47$
    Bryant. 42$
    Rizzo. 44
    Benintendi 10
    K Davis. 10
    Hanley. 16
    Schoop. 10
    Darvish. 15
    DeGrom. 25
    Lamb. 10
    Gattis. 10
    Maeda. 6
    Glasnow. 10
    Margot. 10
    Renfroe. 10
    Cain. 17

    who should I keep?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Benintendi 10
      K Davis. 10
      Hanley. 16
      Schoop. 10
      Darvish. 15
      Lamb. 10
      Maeda. 6
      C Seager 21$
      Bryant. 42$
      Rizzo. 44

  40. jack florida says:
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    just returned from my first of 39 spring training games–florida soutern univ vs detroit tigers.

    tigers started regular line up, one at bat for most, no roster pitchers in the game

    victor martinez looked as fast as a turtle running to first

    phils at yankees tomorrow

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      That’s awesome, sounds like A-Gon running down the line

  41. adm says:
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    10 team roto keeper league with standard 5X5 stats. Keeper prices escalate three rounds each season.

    I’ve been offered Carlos Correa (17th round keeper cost) for my Manny Machado (5th) and my 9th-round pick. What do you think?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Hold

      • adm says:
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        I was leaning that way too. Thanks!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem!

          • adm says:
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            Sorry to bug again, but the situation changed. What if it didn’t cost the draft pick and was just straight up?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Hold

              • adm says:
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                Thanks 2.0

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Ha, no problem!

  42. El Pres says:
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    Grey,

    I’m brand new to Razz Ball and love your content so far. I’m also a first time commish and decided on Yahoo. For some reason my Pre Draft Rankings on Yahoo are not the same as these. It’s 5×5 Standard Roto but i changed around the roster settings to 1B,2B,SS,3B,OF,OF,OF,UTL,UTL,UTL, SP,SP,SP,SP,SP,RP,RP,RP … could it be because of this? Cause it automatically has Kershaw ranked 1 and Scherzer 2… Thanks for your help

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! You know, I’m not sure why pre-draft rankings change for them, maybe it’s because of settings, but I highly doubt they’re that ‘smart’

  43. dhouse42 says:
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    hahah funny stuff.

    im glad im not the only one lower on Corey Seager. I drafted him in the 6th round last year and that was awesome, but second round this year? i mean ~.300 and ~25HR is fine but second round? Borderline first round? I just don’t get it. Honestly I also don’t really get why he came in 3rd in MVP voting.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Yeah, feels like a Posey type inflation on Seager… Solid average, solid power, but Ian Desmond for fantasy is better

  44. AyoLol says:
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    First time Commish here! If you were in an 8 Team League, as commish would you keep the default Yahoo roster position settings or would you recommend changing them since the league is so small? Thanks!

  45. jaysfan says:
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    Points keeper league; high OPS players are better. Three round penalty to keep players each season.

    I’ve been offered Bogaerts (rd 13) and Carrasco (rd 16) for my Correa (rd 19) and Rodon (rd 20).

    Thanks for the help!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Take it

  46. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    In OBP + OPS (no avg) leagues, I’m suddenly really feeling Matt Carpenter at his $15 auction cost in espn. He was rolling with a .380 / .950+ obp / ops in the first 80 games last season, before his oblique injury, and will be hitting third instead of lead off now (95+ RBI?).

    In that league format, which 1B / OF pairing would you prefer?

    Trout + one of Freeman/E5/Votto OR

    Harper + one of Carpenter/Santana.

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Votto’s not close in an OBP format

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: meaning Votto beats all those 1Bs in obp?

        Sorry, I mixed up my pairings – meant to say Harper and one of the Votto group or trout and one of the carpenter/Santana group

  47. JeF WiTh 1 F says:
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    So on that shitty staff the offer is his Harvey and Nola for my Salazar…I think I’m taking it..Salazar comes with his own risks and I could definitely use a 2 for 1 . Plus I like Harvey this year as long as he’s really healthy, homeboy is playing to get paid, and I think like you Nola was better than his numbers and takes a step forward this year…just my thoughts on it .

    • JeF WiTh 1 F says:
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      @JeF WiTh 1 F: And what are you doing tonight, I’m feeling frisky

      • JeF WiTh 1 F says:
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        @JeF WiTh 1 F: You’re out to dinner right now with out me again aren’t you. Not cool.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha, I was!

          • JeF WiTh 1 F says:
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            @Grey: I knew it lol

  48. Troy says:
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    I play in a 20 Team,H2,6X6(QS&OPS).You have stated that you don’t believe in taking pitchers high,but would you reconsider that for a league this big.I have picks 18,23,58,63 with my first 4 picks,would you go a pitcher with any of those picks or stay hitting with all 4 picks?Also,in this 20 teamer,how reliable and for how long into the draft would your 6×6 OPS&QS rankings be?Cheers and thanks.

  49. DansbyIsAtlantasRevival says:
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    Hey Grey,

    I literally owe you my past 2 championships the past 2 years per your advice. You’re the man .. you know this though:

    I’m in a keeper league and can keep the following ..

    (1); obvioulsy keeping donaldson in the 5th
    then it gets tricky, (can keep 2):

    Arrieta in the 4th
    or
    Kinsler in the 7th
    or
    J.Ramirez (cleveland) in the 12th
    or
    R. Osuna (RP) in the 12th
    or
    Jameson Taillon in the 15th

    Thinking Donaldson, Arrieta, and either J-Taillon or Kinsler?

    Thoughts? Thanks in advance.

  50. Matty D says:
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    10 team h2h roto categories league, keep 3. Keeping Arenado (4) and Altuve (9). Only reason I’m debating I think is because my league is pitcher crazy and many good pitchers will be kept and/or drafted early. Keep one of the three: Desmond (15), Darvish (12), or Sanchez (11). Thanks Grey!

  51. MoreCowbell says:
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    Love your skewering of these brutal Yahoo and ESPN rankings…new to Razzball this year, but LOVE it and hope you can help me out with a keeper dilemma. Need to choose 3 for just this season from the following list, all for the exact same cost ($1):

    Bregman
    Dahl
    Jose Ramirez
    Edwin Diaz
    Roberto Osuna

    Dahl is a no-brainer, but I’ve seen people all over the map on Ramirez and Bregman, ranging from amazing to pretty good for this year. I loathe keeping closers, but at least these two project as studs. Any help is appreciated, and keep up the excellent work!

  52. B says:
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    Grey:

    10 team standard league, 3 keepers per team,

    Who’s better keeper:
    Yoan moncada in last round
    Rich hill in 17th(out of 21)
    Wil Meyers 15th (out of 21)

    And then, what’s the best espn jobber I can ask for at my local “spa”?

  53. moldyforgoldy says:
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    mr. albright aka fml….which 2 of the below keepers have the best value in a standard h2h?

    -bryant 1st round
    -altuve 2nd
    -gregor polanco 3rd
    -cespedes 4th
    -freeman 7th

  54. Bill says:
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    I have the #2 pick in a 10 team keeper (max 5 year keeper). Trout, Goldy, Harper, Machado are all back in the pool. First pick is going to take Trout. Am I crazy if I pass on Goldy and take Harper? Talk some sense into me please

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nah, not crazy

  55. Furious says:
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    Really enjoy this post as I can see where I can find value in my Yahoo League.

    Keeper question: $260 Budget, AL-NL, 3 OF, 2 Util, 6×6 (BB for hitters and BB/9 pitchers) and I was wondering if these would be good keepers (keep 5 max):
    Mike Trout $52
    Bryce Harper: $38
    Carlos Correa: $20
    Rich Hill: $7
    Khris Davis: $5

    Other Possibles:
    Andrew Miller $13
    Aaron Sanchez $7
    Tanner Roark $7

    Thanks for all the help throughout the years.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Trout, Harper, Correa, Hill and Davis, yeah

  56. mike says:
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    How much will I regret signing 3 year contracts on schwarb , corey seager and noah for 20$ each. If they end up being as good as the hype will it be worth it. If seager and schwarb hit 30 with a .300 ave. I cant help but feel schwarber wont play catcher once this year. I feel he will lead off and do great with alot of extra at bats in the dh and out field. He wont have time to worry about catching.

  57. mike says:
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    How much will I regret signing 3 year contracts on schwarb , corey seager and noah for 20$ each. If they end up being as good as the hype will it be worth it. If seager and schwarb hit 30 with a .300 ave. I cant help but feel schwarber wont play catcher once this year. I feel he will lead off and do great with alot of extra at bats in the dh and out field. He wont have time to worry about catching.

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