Yesterday, I went over the top 10 for 2017 fantasy baseball.  Today, I throw out preconceived notions, drink some potions and lather up my body with lotions as I sloppily slip and slide my way through the most precarious top 20 for fantasy baseball I’ve ever encountered.  This top twenty is a blind man playing Twister.  Half the time, I’m grabbing for things not knowing if they’re there or not.  I legit think this top 20 could go countless other ways.  Is countless a widowed Countess?  No, it’s not, it’s a confusing AF top 20 for fantasy baseball.  One bright spot (or sour note if you disagree with me), I finally convinced myself that since I never draft a starter in the top 20, I’m not ranking one here.  If you want to bemoan my (lack of) ranking Kershaw, Scherzer or any pitcher, then bemoan away.  Just remember, a bemoaner sounds a bit to me like “U be a boner.”  All the positional rankings will live under the 2017 fantasy baseball rankings.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 for 2017 fantasy baseball:

11. Miguel Cabrera – This tier started in the top 10 for 2017 fantasy baseball.  I called this tier, “Easy like Monday morning quarterbacking.”  This tier ends here.  Member when Miggy was a first round no-doubter?  He’d hit 35 homers and .320 and all was good.  Yeah, I don’t know if anything’s changed that much with him.  Do guys often approach 500 career homers and still hit like first rounders?  Not to answer, but to ruminate.  Ted Williams did, Bonds didMiggy is special, not like the cousin your mom made you hang out with when you were a kid, but special like that same cousin who is now a millionaire.  Miggy is Donaldson with five to six less steals, but a much higher batting average.  I’m not sure Miggy isn’t a top ten pick either, and I might be falling into groupthink with this ranking.  I guess there’s a 25% chance Miggy repeats 2014 and hits only 25 HRs but still .313.  More than likely, you’re going to get 30 HR, .320 and the counting stats that go with that.  2017 Projections: 95/29/105/.317/1 in 577 ABs

12. Trea Turner – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Odor.  I call this tier, “Hate to go upside this early, but I also hate showering and I do that.” By the tier name I mean, these guys feel a bit riskier and upsidey (totally a word!) for this early, but, from what they’ve done already in the majors and their ability, I think you have to take them here.  Uh-oh, it’s Computer Modulated Man, “Trea Turner in the top 20?!  El oh what the eff.  Does not compute.  Must shut down rankings and reboot.  Too much electricity going to mainframe.  Unplug me.  Unplug me.  I must be unplugged.  Oh, no, it is too late.  Trea Turner ranked in the top 20 was too much.  Signing off.  Good….bye.  Beep boop booooop.”  In 73 games last year, Turner had 13 HRs and stole 33 bases with a .342 average (19 HRs, 58 SBs if you combine Triple-A and majors).  Granted, he had only 15 HRs in his minor league career, so his HR/FB% may not be 16.7 as it was last year, maybe closer to 9%.  His BABIP was .388, and that might be closer to .345.  The steals?  They’re for reals.  So, he hits 16 homers and .305 instead.  16 HRs, 40 SBs and .305?  You know who that sounds like?  It rhymes with Saltuve and he reminds me of someone who stands on the front seat of a driver’s seat to see over the dash.  I know there’s risk with Turner, but if you don’t think there’s risk with Donaldson, Miggy, Odor, Blackmon or some other white men hiding behind an affirmative action last name, you’re lying to yourself.  So, my question to you is why not lie to yourself about something more worthwhile like, “Hey, guess what, Self, you’re handsome and just won a Nobel Prize!”  2017 Projections: 102/16/84/.305/40 in 577 ABs

13. Carlos Correa – I almost made a top 9 yesterday, then one giant tier, an eleven-way tie between 10th and 20th, clapped my hands together like I was over it and took a siesta.  In the end, I thought that was a cop out.  I struggled to turn the corner on the top ten, and you see there’s a bunch of guys I think are virtually the same as Correa because they’re in the same tier, and, to go a step further towards the cop out without copping out completely, I think this entire post is close.  If someone took Miggy at 14 and Correa at 11, it wouldn’t shock me.  If someone went Odor at 10 and Trea Turner at 14 and Donaldson at 11 and Story at 19 and–okay, you get the picture.  This top 20 is so flexible it teaches Pilates on a balancing beam while saying, “We can go wherever you want for dinner, I’m pliable.”  Correa just did too much to move my needle to not squeeze him in here, and, when I say needle, I’m not talking crochet.  Correa averaged 404 feet per homer last year.  Machado hit 37 homers and also averaged 404 feet.  Correa only had 7 Just Enough homers; Betts hit 15.  Correa had a down year last year and still hit 20 HRs and stole 13 bags with a .274 average, at the age of 21.  Correa also had injuries.  At one point, he didn’t attempt a steal for a month due to a sprained ankle.  He had 14 steals in only 99 games in 2015, and 13 steals in 153 games last year.  You’re telling me that sprained ankle didn’t play into it?  You’re not telling me that, because if you are, I have a pfft with your name on it.  He hit 22 homers in 2015 in that truncated season, but 20 homers last year.  Let’s see, he only hit one home run in September, his worst power month.  Any specific reason?  He hurt his shoulder.  He doesn’t hit a ton of fly balls, but neither does Au Shizz.  Steamer has Correa down for 23 HRs and 14 SBs in a full season of ABs.  I’m gonna go out on a very sturdy limb and say, he’d have to get hurt again to only get 23 HRs and 14 SBs.  That feels like the absolute baseline, though with Correa maybe that should be called the Military Demarcation Line.  2017 Projections:  98/26/104/.275/20 in 575 ABs

14. Rougned Odor – Last year, Odor struck out 21.4% of the time and walked only 3%, which reminds me of Rizzo and Bryant.  The foul Odor of a rising K-rate that levels off the next year to a more palpable one.  In Triple-A, Odor walked 9% and struck out only 8.1%.  Don’t know if the numbers will get that glorious in 2017, but, even if they don’t, with his less than ideal Ks last year, he still had 33 HRs, 14 SBs and hit .271.  Am I saying there’s upside from those numbers?  He’s 22 years old, how is there no upside?  He had a .297 BABIP, which seems about right for him because of how many fly balls he hits, but if he gets lucky, a .320 BABIP and .290 average don’t seem hard to talk myself into since Odor does have speed.  His speed, in fact, is on par with that of 30-steal guys.  In early draft results I’ve seen, I’m on an island with Odor — why didn’t I pack extra Ban Roll-On?! — he’s either ranked much later in the top 20, or not at all.  That’s got me puzzled, because, even Steamer, who is conservative, has him down for 26 HRs, 13 SBs, .275 in only 559 ABs, after he had 605 ABs last year.  There’s no way Odor is slotted anywhere but the top four in the Rangers’ lineup, and should easily pass the 580 AB-threshold.  30/15/.280 with solid counting stats and upside is suddenly not worth a top 20 pick?  Are you sure about that, rest of the universe?  2017 Projections:  92/28/98/.281/15 in 581 ABs

15. Freddie Freeman – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Blackmon.  I call this tier, “From the window, to the wall, here’s the ceiling, here’s the floor.”  By the tier name I mean, I think we know what we’re getting from these guys floor-wise.  I also think the ceiling is pretty obvious.  I don’t necessarily think there’s going to be a huge breakthrough on the ceiling, but the floor looks sturdy too.  This is likely the safest tier in this post, and not just perceived safest.  These guys have some youth, they have shown ability and they don’t possess huge caveats.  (By the way, by floor, I mean what’s the worst you’re going to get from a guy.  I think that term is fairly mainstream, but I want to make sure everyone knows what I mean.  Potatoes to chips, SAGNOF, Saberhagenmetrics, Kazaam!, as you can see, I often care if people follow what I mean.)  As for Freeman, he’s in his prime and appears to be a rich man’s Votto.  I will call him Blotto on Cristal.  2017 Projections:  93/31/97/.295/6 in 575 ABs

16. George Springer – I have hopes and dreams, and they include clean water and basic human rights for everyone and George Springer having a 40/20 season and being the best player in baseball.  Those hopes and dreams are in no particular order, by the way.  Definitely not that order if I draft Springer this year.  If Springer is going to put it all together, this will be the season, so I’m excited to see if my prayers are answered.  *Intern whispers in my ear* “What about the drinking water and human rights prayers?”  Can we focus on Springer first, please?!  2017 Projections:  103/32/88/.255/10 in 590 ABs

17. Charlie Blackmon – Okay, there’s one caveat in this tier.  If Blackmon gets traded, then all bets are off, and I don’t mean the Red Sox have a travel day.  I don’t think you should avoid drafting a player in March because he might be traded in July.  A) He could be traded to a great team and have a solid two months in a pennant chase.  B) He may not be traded.  C) There’s no C.  Last year, Blackmon had his biggest power year by far with 29 homers.  Blackmon with power, sounds like an unreleased Public Enemy joint.  His speed went way down though from 43 steals to 17.  A Blackmon without speed has The Ghost of Jimmy the Greek confused.  Blackmon does have one thing, of Coors.  You will never find a Rockies leadoff man with 25-steal speed and 20-homer power that is not worth a 2nd round pick.  Hopefully, Blackmon and Freeman in the same tier does better than Birth of a Nation during award season.  (By the by, Moonlight was the best film of last year, and might’ve been the best film of the last few years.)  2017 Projections: 104/21/67/.303/24 in 594 ABs

18. Starling Marte – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until the end of the top 20.  I call this tier, “GiancarlNOOOOOOOOOO”  By the tier name I mean, I looked at everyone to be in this top twenty, and these last few felt the best.  No Giancarlo, or as I scream every time he’s hurt GiancarlNOOOOOOOOOO, no Just Dong Martinez, no pitchers (!), no Lindor, no Seager, Corey or Kyle, no Pollock, A.J. or Tulo, and no way this is the final say on all top 20s.  There’s a ten way tie between five guys all at number 21 (my math might be off there).  There’s nothing I can do (except go on to rank every player in the coming days who will get at least 200 at-bats).  There just wasn’t room for everyone.  As for Marte, I’ll be honest, I could see him ranked anywhere from top 15 to top 40.  Just depends on how you look at him.  He’s a 10-homer, 40-steal, .275 hitter.  It’s great, but Shane Victorino was never a top 20 player.  Or Marte has 20 homer power and 45 steals that will hit .310 again.  Yeah, I need to take my chances there and go Marte is the latter.  *sees Altuve climbing on Marte’s back*  Latter, man, not ladder!  2017 Projections: 81/17/88/.295/37 in 549 ABs

19. Edwin Encarnacion – Here’s what I said when he signed with the Indians, “I think there’s a fairly evident reason it took Edwin Encarnacion a while to sign with a team.  Doode’s a leather-bound book with dust.   Please, Grey, leave this metaphor alone!  You’re prolly right, Random Italicized Voice.  Edwin’s ground ball ratio went up and his fly balls went down.  He still hits the ball hard, and, if he were 27 years old, none of his red flags would even be flags, they’d be red handkerchiefs for my white suit when I’m feeling especially Scarfacey.  His Ks went up, so he’s a .260 hitter now instead of a .270 hitter?  Big whoop.  I’m having a hard time being negative on Edwin, except he will be 34 years old.  Guys do excel in their mid-30s, but not as much as they don’t.  Am I excited about Edwin after he signed with the Indians?  Not particularly, but thinking he’s going to fall off, is you talking hunches and that only works if you’re making small talk with Quasimodo.”  And that’s me quoting me!  2017 Projections: 88/36/105/.260/2 in 535 ABs

20. Trevor Story – None of those aforementioned players made the top 20, but then there’s this Story, of a lovely lady, who was bringing up three lovely girls, though lovely feels like a stretch with Jan.  Sorry, Jan!  Story would’ve been a top 10 guy for this year if he didn’t have a fluke injury last year.  To go back to the overriding theme of this post, Story is just as good as the tenth ranked player as he is the 25th ranked.  Fluidity is the word of the day.  Literally, it’s on my Word of the Day calendar.  In only 97 games last year, Story had 67/27/72/.272/8.  I’m sorry, he plays a full season, and that’s not a top ten season?  What is it that you don’t like about him?  His Ks?  Has any non-catcher Rockies player hit below .250 since 2005?  Well, I’m glad I asked!  Clint Barmes (twice), Ian Stewart (once), Ty Wigginton (once), Todd Helton (twice, at ages 38/39), that’s it.  Four Rockies had six non-catcher seasons of .250 and below.  Know why?  Of Coors you do!  You can’t hit under .250 in Coors.  I don’t mean the collective you.  I mean, you you.  You, out of shape, goofsloth, who thinks sweatpants are formalwear, would hit over .250 in Coors.  So, what else is the problem with Story?  Oh, wait, there’s no other problem.  Story’s so butter I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter sees Story and gets jealous.  Story is so butter, he lies on top of a mountain of popcorn and someone sees him and says, “Ooh, hot buttered popcorn.”  Story’s so butter, Sandoval can’t even look at him without risking weight gain.  2017 Projections: 89/31/98/.258/12 in 575 ABs

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Wil
Wil
5 years ago

I don’t really see how springer could be the 16th most valuable fantasy player in standard leagues with a .255 avg as you projected. Not with 30 homers 10 steals he ain’t the 16th best. No where close.

Wil
Wil
Reply to  Wil
5 years ago

@Wil:

Last season spring was 116/29/82/9/.261… and he wasn’t even a top 50 overall fantasy player for standard roto.

This year you project 103/32/88/.255/10 in 590 ABs and rank him 16th overall?

Wil
Wil
Reply to  Wil
5 years ago

@Wil:

Springer was the 78th most valuable fantasy player according to the espn standard roto player rater for the 2016 season. I don’t see how you can project him to put up the same stats and be the 16th best fantasy player this year.

What stats would he need to actually be the 16th best player? Def a lot more than you are projecting.

Spot
Spot
5 years ago

Hi Grey,

Love the post about your Top 10’s and 20’s. Could you please help me with the decision about my final keepers? I am going to keep Manny Machado and Nolan Arenado without a doubt. I can add 3 players to my final list. I am not sure if Anthony Rizzo is that much better than Freddie Freeman. I am able to keep Rizzo over Freeman, but in order to do do so I would have to drop relative bargains like Daniel Murphy and Yu Darvish. I could also opt for Chris Sale, Jake Arrieta or Jacob deGrom instead of Rizzo or Freeman. In short, these are my options:

1) Machado, Arenado, Rizzo (plus Wade Davis and Jacob deGrom);
2) Machado, Arenado, Freeman (plus Murphy and Darvish);
3) Machado, Arenado, Sale/Arrieta/deGrom (plus Murphy and Darvish).

I am looking forward to your advice.

JayP
JayP
5 years ago

Sup Grey,
10 Team keeper league struggling to decide third keeper since Rizzo and Bryant are too obvious:

Springer
D Murphy (is he legit or was that season a fluke?)
Bogaerts

I’m leaning towards Springer for that upside since I don’t think he’s hit his ceiling yet, but Murph and Bogaerts for the position eligibility are tempting too. Keeping either of the latter two determines my IF so I can target OFs earlier.

Whatcha think?

DonnieB
DonnieB
5 years ago

Mazara,Pederson,Martin and Margot? How do they rank? I have next pick in an NFBC draft? 15th round. If speed is needed,is it too early for Martin or Margot?

Chicken Shack
Chicken Shack
5 years ago

I always thought you were a Votto guy. Changing of the guard to Freeman?

Jon
Jon
5 years ago

What comes next – positional rankings or top 100?

Dhouse42
Dhouse42
5 years ago

Awesome list, I’m so on board with sneaky odor 2nd round pick. Also salivating over (almost) all Rockies lineup. How is arenado/blackmon/story/desmond/dahl/lameihu not a winning fantasy team??? Only catch is arenado is too early and blackmon too late, but I think I’m gunning for as much Coors magic as possible this year.

westcoastpete
westcoastpete
5 years ago

Great write-up Grey!

Really surprised to see Odor at 14. The consensus rankings at fantasypros.com has him at #41 average, 31 min, and 71 max.

Mobin Can't Hack It
Mobin Can't Hack It
Reply to  westcoastpete
5 years ago

@westcoastpete: wow, so guaranteed you can take in the 3rd, probably high chance of 4th round, not really gambling till the 5th. of course this early ADP data isn’t that authoritative. not quite last year’s brocktune (ranked i think like 50 or more than ADP) but still valuetown.

Big Mike
Big Mike
5 years ago

Captain my Captain,

First – I’m wet over that Odor ranking. I peed myself.

Second – I feel quite strongly, in a positive way, about Springer, who I do not yet have.

Third – I’m picking 11 in a 12-man snake draft, and can keep 8. My keepers are very likely to be Rizzo, Mookie, Arenado, Odor, Lindor, Polanco, Scherzer and Kluber. I might also keep Javy Baez instead of one of these eight (Probably Klubot), because I just love him so much. So that leaves me with Wil Myers and Posey who definitely should be kept, but I can’t keep, plus maybe Kluber. First round thins out quickly, but I could probably get Springer at 4 or 5 (Kershaw, Donaldson, Marte, Cano). Would you trade any or several of those other guys to move up from 11 to 4? Does the fact that he only qualifies as a RF matter (Mookie also only qualifies at RF, and he’s not going anywhere)?

That leaves me with Myers

Big Mike
Big Mike
Reply to  Big Mike
5 years ago

@Big Mike: That last stub of a sentence shouldn’t be there. Also, If I stay at 11, BTW, I’m looking at F-Her or Pujols or a closer that won’t be kept (few closers get kept in my league). Javy might be there at that spot too.

Claudell
Claudell
5 years ago

12 team league; 6 keepers (keep 4eva). Please select from the following:

Goldschmidt
Bryant
Dozier
Arrieta
Desmond
G Sanchez
Myers

jack florida
jack florida
5 years ago

which side

mazara or stanton?

Joe
Joe
5 years ago

Thanks Grey! Are you worried at all about where Story will bat in the lineup? Some recent projections have him batting 6th – behind – Blackmon, DJ, Tornado, Cargo, Desmond.

I think he batted 2nd for most of last year.

Joe
Joe
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

I have Story – just traded for Desmond. I love you Grey . ..

William
William
5 years ago

@Grey: How good was my championship winning team in my 12 teamer? 5 guys in your top 20! Gotta tip my cap off to you!

Unfortunately I only get to keep 2 from Betts, Rizzo, Turner, Blackmon, Marte. I still have 2 months to make a decision…

Burningbridges247
Burningbridges247
5 years ago

10-team roto keeper league. Keep up to eight for the following dollar amounts.
Keeping:
Rizzo – $36
Miggy – $35
Odor – $19
Verlander – $8

Who should I also hang on to here, and in what order, please:
Springer: $35
Addie Russ: $15
Darvish: $11
Jose Ramirez: $5
Mazara: $5

Available budget is $265. Strongly leaning Mazara and Darvish at those prices, but wanted to know what others thought. Thanks!

Burningbridges247
Burningbridges247
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Thanks, Grey. The discounts win the day!

CMUTimmah
CMUTimmah
5 years ago

-Spring training trip booked.
-Greys ranks coming in.
-Pitchers and catchers report in a few weeks.

These are a few of my favorite things.

The Great Knoche
The Great Knoche
5 years ago

Seems like Keeper question day, here’s mine.

6×6 w/ OBP and Holds as added categories.
Must have 5 SP and 4 RP. Salaries increase $4 Per year.
$ listed is what they would be at in 2017. Can keep up to 12.

Here’s who I am planning on keeping

C Gary Sanchez $10
1B Anthony Rizzo $26
SS Trevor Story $10
3B Nolan Arenado $18
CI Paul Goldschmidt $37
U Wil Myers $10
OF David Dahl $10
OF Ian Desmond $10
SP Clayton Kershaw $37
SP Jake Arrieta $18
SP Yu Darvish $15
RP Edwin Diaz $10

The Good Side – That’s an awesome start. The Bad Side – Only $49 left for 11 players. There’s a few, but not a bunch of top guys the way I see it that will be getting thrown back into free agency.

Roll as is or try and save some money? Could also potentially keep Roark at $10 and Renfroe at $10

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  The Great Knoche
5 years ago

@The Great Knoche: I don’t see how you can throw any of those bats back. I wouldn’t keep Diaz.

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  The Great Knoche
5 years ago

@The Great Knoche: stars and scrubs always works

Warren
Warren
5 years ago

Mentioned this in the comments yesterday about trying to get Arenado pre-keeper deadline.

Is Donaldson and Thor too steep?

Ace of Spades
Ace of Spades
5 years ago

Grey ( and anyone from his wonderful army who wishes to answer )

14 team mixed auction league that keeps 10. each year the salary increases ( doubles each year after 3 ) .

Guys I am definitely keeping:
Buxton $8, Kepler $10, Odor $12, J Lamb $3, B Miller $6, Grandel $3, C Carrasco $14.

Guys I am on the fence about ( I need to choose 3 of them ):
S Marte $31, J Pederson $14, C Beltran $10, A Miller $11, S Manaea $10, M Pineda $11, Shoemaker $10, D Pomeranz $8, A Conley $3

This year, more so than others, their will be probably be many studs available to bid on come draft day. guys like Trout, Goldshmidt, Rizzo, Freeman, M Cabrera, Stanton, Yelich, Machado, B Harper, Kershaw, Scherzer, Strasburg, Price, sale, Bumgardner to name a few.
One further note is, I don’t have to keep anyone. keeping 10 is just the max amount, not a required amount.

My main dilemma is what to do about S Marte. Should I throw him back into the pool to free up $ for the other studs? ( this is my third year with Starling so it will be his last if I keep him ) . Or do I believe all of the talk about stolen bases being so scarce that I hold onto him and his potential for 40 plus bags.

Pineda and Pederson were added to my undecided list after I read your sleeper write ups on them. Our league is in New Jersey so Yankee and Mets hardly ever come at a bargain prices.

I wont bore you ( any more than I already have ) with the rest of the team who I am throwing back into the pool.

So really , my questions are, which 3 would you add to the keeper list? anyone on my keeper list who you think doesn’t belong their? and what do I do about Starling Marte ?

Thanks in advance and thanks for all of the great work you do all year long. You and the Razzball crew are easily the best in the business.

Charlie
Charlie
5 years ago

Grey,

6×5 including obp. Trying to pick 7 out of these 8 as my keepers. You lose the round that they were drafted in. Who’s the odd man out?

Trout – round 1
Stanton – round 2
J.D. Martinez – round 8
Arenado – round 13
Bogaerts – round 11
Villar – round 24
Odor – round 6
Goldschmidt – round 5

Hawk
Hawk
5 years ago

Tough but good call to keep him outside the Top 20. It saddens me that I had to deal Giancarlo but he simply cannot stay on the field but I am done with guys like that. Spent waaaayyy too many years hoping for what guys like Tulo MIGHT do if they stay healthy.

Racehorse
Racehorse
5 years ago

Grey –

16 team dynasty, h2h … I’m thinking of offering Gyorko for Smyly …

What do you think?

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
5 years ago

Is it safe to assume that, all else equal – in dynasty and keeper leagues – you would still take any of these guys (Odor, Des, Story, etc) in a 1:1 trade over any pitcher, including Kershaw?

Thanks, oh Grey one.

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Thanks! How about this one, not knowing where Villar stands…

$30 Kershaw for $4 Villar + $16 Maeda

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Thanks. Would try rubbing Maeda together with something to get a Desmond, which would rock.

Copperhead Road
Copperhead Road
5 years ago

Grey,
Thanks again for this post. I’ve got Goldy, Betts, Machado and Turner so 4 in the top 12. Waiting on JDong next to make it 5 keepers in top 30??
We play 12 hitters. I will also keep Segura, Myers, HanRam, OZUNA and Beltre. 6×6 roto with hits, HR, R, RBI, SB, OBP.
In your opinion should I try to add another bat? I’ll have about $130 for the auction. Top pitchers usually go over $30. I’ll be keeping Taillon and CMart.
Thanks again.

Copperhead Road
Copperhead Road
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Thanks. Only top 20 that’ll be available are Bryant, Odor amd Donaldson. Donaldson couldn’t fit in the ineup without dropping or trading someone else.
Appreciate the input.

Copperhead Road
Copperhead Road
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Sorry, wasn’t clear. Those are the guys I can buy at draft but they may be too much $ and I need pitching I probably will hold what I have. Thanks again.

Old School Brother
Old School Brother
5 years ago

Moonlight was pretty good, but i really thought pt 3 dragged

Old School Brother
Old School Brother
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: I was like Whoa… this is a story about 50 cent! When they showed him grown up wearing fronts haha

Devil in a new Dress
Devil in a new Dress
5 years ago

Wow, did not expect to see Story ranked this high. That’s good news for me and my keepers. Can you help me pick 8 off of this list? It’s a h2h points league where you keep everyone forever. Some tough Choices.

Jose Abreu
Arenado
Greg Polanco
Yelich
Rizzo
Bregman
Benintendi
Dahl
Story
Sano
MadBum
Porcello
Syndergaard
Aroldis

Devil in a new Dress
Devil in a new Dress
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey:

Thanks, Grey

Danny Almonte
Danny Almonte
5 years ago

Schoop or Forsythe?

Jimmy Bond
Jimmy Bond
5 years ago

hot dang. wishing i hadn’t traded Turner away last year, but all the scouting stuff I’d seen didn’t say he would translate to a top 20 and I was surprised to see him do so well when he came up. Or rather, the stuff I read said he might be good real-world but not for fantasy. Like Eaton maybe.

Glad to see Story in there, though.

Jimmy Bond
Jimmy Bond
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: it seemed good at the time! in hindsight, no. too embarassing to share here

PS have you read The Arm? Read it over christmas, it”s got me scared to draft anyone with TJ history, which narrows the field considerably, eek. Great book.

Jimmy Bond
Jimmy Bond
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: the two chapters I really liked are about following Lester around during his free agent signing time, seeing the talks behind the scenes, and also the chapter on new training methods people are trying to reduce arm risks – some stuff in there on Trevor Bauer and all the stuff he is trying to do (outside-the-box training methods). Albeit he still needs control to improve.

It also opened my eyes to risks of drafting any of the Japanese pitchers because as kids they can throw WAY too much in some of the japanese tournaments where they ride the same pitcher all the way along, like 700+ pitches thrown in a single tournament. Really worth a read once you are done with all your top 500 writeups (maybe you can sneak it in before drafts and the daily writeups begin)

Jimmy Bond
Jimmy Bond
Reply to  Jimmy Bond
5 years ago

@Jimmy Bond: (in one of my keeper leagues I mean)

Old School Brother
Old School Brother
5 years ago

Odor at #14 is music to my ears Grey. Also a little suprised with Desmond making the top 20. I have him in a dynasty league and when I heard he was going to Coors I got pretty stoked. Losing OF eligibility kinda stinks though… I don’t know what the Rockies are thinking. He wasn’t that bad for the Rangers last year, even in CF. I wouldn’t put him in center again, but he’d be fine in one of the corners

Chucky
Chucky
5 years ago

I saw in yesterday’s post, you recommended 3 years of Dahl over 1 year of Lester. Along that same line, how many years can we reasonably expect Max to be a keeper and would you keep Max in a forever keep Dynasty over Dahl? Over Bregman?

Big Odio
Big Odio
5 years ago

HA! I’m going to work goofsloth in to my vernacular today.

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: jacked up part is I’ve said it to myself three times and I cant argue with myself on that.

HolyGhostClaw
HolyGhostClaw
5 years ago

Yo yo Grey! Spent the weekend reading and re-reading your sleeper posts. Spent Monday enjoying the day off. Came in to work this AM to see the rankings were already up though #20! Went from 6 to 12! Thanks Grey!

Malicious Phenoms
Malicious Phenoms
5 years ago

Hey,

Saw Fences, seemed like a play on stage, just as you said..
Also saw Nocturnal Animals..

Did you see Collateral Beauty?

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  Malicious Phenoms
5 years ago

@Malicious Phenoms: Nocturnal Animals was awesome. Collateral Beauty was forgettable. Although the twist ending stirred some emotions.

Malicious Phenoms
Malicious Phenoms
Reply to  Cram It
5 years ago

@Cram It:
Agreed, Nocturnal Animals was brilliant.

Collateral Beauty was a downer, with that cast, thought it would be much better and then the ending was WOW, didn’t see that coming!

Sing Us a Vogelsong You're the Pineda Man
Sing Us a Vogelsong You're the Pineda Man
5 years ago

Thanks for this glorious, pliable top 20!

I’m feeling pretty good about my keeper team based on your rankings:

Mookie
Arenado
Miggy
Turner
Correa
Springer

Lots of juice right there!

Tiny Rick
Tiny Rick
5 years ago

10 team Keeper league, H2H, 19 roster spots(3 OF, UTL, 3 P, 2 RP, 3 P, 3 BN and 1 NA spot). Big rule change increasing keepers from up to 4, to up to 10. I’m thinking of keeping Votto, D. Gordon, Arenado, Correa, Betts, Stanton, Shwarber, Synergaard, Darvish, Moncada (BN). I also have a potentially higj pick as I traded Miggy for Betts and their 10th round pick. I am thinking BAT (Dahl?) with my first pick.

Am I going too heavy on the hitting side? Thanks.

Tiny Rick
Tiny Rick
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Thank you much. You guys do a awesome job.

Teuvo
Teuvo
5 years ago

In a 16-team keeper league, you have already covered 4 of my keepers (Correa, Goldy, Altuve & Turner). I LIKE IT!

Oppo Taco
Oppo Taco
5 years ago

Hey Grey, sifting through my possible keepers for this upcoming year. We get to keep 8 guys at no cost. Who Ya got? 12 teamer 5×5 roto. Thanks!

Goldy, Rizzo, Bautista, McCutchen, Longoria, Corey Seager (somewhat surprised he didn’t crack your top 20), Moncada, J Upton, Bumgarner, Cole, Osuna, Lamb.

Also Contemplating offering Bautista and Cole for Trea Turner. Thoughts on that offer? Seems like a lot

Curious George Springer
Curious George Springer
Reply to  Oppo Taco
5 years ago

@Oppo Taco: Goldy, Rizzo, Seager, Moncada, Lamb, Upton, Bumgarner, Turner (after you complete that trade, which you absolutely should do). Assuming it is rejected, I guess I would keep McCutchen and hope he has a resurgence.

PEDs3
PEDs3
Reply to  Oppo Taco
5 years ago

@Oppo Taco: Unfortunately for all of us Seager is a much better “real baseball” player than a fantasy player. I agree with Grey, he is not top 20 but I bet he shows up soon. He’s basically Story with a better average and less speed.

Geoff
5 years ago

If you woke up from being cryogenically frozen two years ago and woke up this morning your head would explode. Trump’s president, Khloe Kardashian is a sex symbol, Freddie Freeman is ranked 15th by Grey, and Giancarlo is no where to be found.

What a world.

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Geoff
5 years ago

@Ralph Lifshitz: it’s a surreal painting imitating life

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Reply to  Geoff
5 years ago
Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
Reply to  Geoff
5 years ago

@Ralph Lifshitz: seriously, Freddie got fingered!

Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Haha! The yanks podcast wikileak!

Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Yeah, Trump is after me because of the whole Hezbollah fiasco

Geoff
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Hahaha I just looked at the names! I never went into the post! This is alllllllllll new!

HALPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

Geoff
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: He’s a real Linda Tripp!

Geoff
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: She kind of is, you see that Complex shoot? She’s very popular in certain segments. Tehol loves her!

Geoff
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Yeah I like the shorties too, and I’m 6’0. Khole looks super fake, not my thing, I’m a much bigger fan of Courtney and the younger sisters.

Curious George Springer
Curious George Springer
5 years ago

I’m curious, would you say that if you go with Harper in round one, you probably want Freeman in Round 2. I think that one you do where you pair up players is the most fun.

Naturally the only league I care about is a keeper where all of these guys are kept (I have a few of them). Wait, is that a gaggle of geese looking for a pond? I KNOW WHERE THE POND IS! Gotta go!

HomerHWBush
HomerHWBush
5 years ago

Razz rankings are the best part of winter after Christmas and snow days. Thanks for the great work again Grey.

KEEPER QUESTION:
12-team H2H keep forever OPS league. Pick 5:
– Rizzo (1st) – definite
– Bumgarner (2nd)
– Encarnacion (3rd)
– Blackmon (5th) – definite
– Villar (13th)
– G. Sanchez (13th)

Basically, who do I NOT keep from the above? Don’t trust Villar or Big Gary 100%, but love that round value. Thick Edwin is my bottom b, but I know the drop off is coming with a vengeance and he’s gonna miss the dome. Bumgarner is a horse but… pitchers, ya know?

What do y’all think?

Malicious Phenoms
Malicious Phenoms
Reply to  HomerHWBush
5 years ago

@HomerHWBush:
Keep all the bats and throw back Bum.

Killer B's
Killer B's
5 years ago

Keeper help please!

Need to pick two of these guys to keep along with Betts, Bryant, Murphy, and Arrieta:

McCutchen
G. Sanchez
Springer
Segura

Leaning towards Springer and Sanchez. Interested to see other thoughts. Thanks!

Malicious Phenoms
Malicious Phenoms
Reply to  Killer B's
5 years ago

@Killer B’s:

I think I would keep, without knowing league settings or how many teams, Betts, Bryant and the other 4 bats.

Arrieta worries me, TJ soon?? Murphy will not repeat last years numbers.

The JoGarza
The JoGarza
5 years ago

Woah, that Rockies AVG stay is a little mind-blowing. I’ve been raised by Razzball, so it’s hard to change my “Go corners first, punt MI” strategy, but I think I’ll have to this season.

JoeG414
JoeG414
5 years ago

Who would you take as a 2nd rounder this year and would be a 2nd round keeper for the next two years.
Odor , Springer , Marte or Story. 6×6 roto.

Jason Eldred
Jason Eldred
Reply to  JoeG414
5 years ago

@JoeG414: Without knowing anything about your legaue or other keepers, Grey has Odor ranked the highest in this post…

JoeG414
JoeG414
Reply to  Jason Eldred
5 years ago

@Jason Eldred: Those (i think with other keepers and picks that will be gone ) should be the best available in the 2nd round 15th overall pick.

Malicious Phenoms
Malicious Phenoms
Reply to  JoeG414
5 years ago

@JoeG414:
Odor

Curious George Springer
Curious George Springer
Reply to  JoeG414
5 years ago

@JoeG414: I’m curious, why would you consider anyone other than Springer?

Jason Eldred
Jason Eldred
5 years ago

To reiterate what everyone said yesterday and today, I love this time of year due to your rankings! I joined an existing league (no funky scoring) and it’s a keep 5 forever style 16 TM lg. Team I took over is trash. My keepers sadly are an easy decision of Marte, Lindor, Castellanos, deGrom, and Snell. I have a decent farm of Moncada, Brendan Rodgers, Margot, AJ Reed, Matt Olsen, Jose De Leon, and Grant Holmes. I just received an offer of Yelich and JP Crawford from a team who has a decent squad for Brendan Rodgers, Margot, Reed, and Holmes. Obviously depletes my farm, but is Yelich worth it? I’m sorry to ask a trade question that has nothing to do with the Top 20, but I’m so confused on what to do. Thanks in advance for everyone’s assistance! Great rankings!!

Malicious Phenoms
Malicious Phenoms
Reply to  Jason Eldred
5 years ago

@Jason Eldred:
You are giving up to much. Do not trade Rodgers for Crawford.

I’d counter offer with Reed and Holmes for Yelich.

Jason Eldred
Jason Eldred
Reply to  Malicious Phenoms
5 years ago

@Malicious Phenoms: Agreed. Maybe I’m overvaluing my guys, but I hope Margot can put up similar stats to Yelich toward the end of the season. Thanks for the reply.

Rockie Mountain High
Rockie Mountain High
5 years ago

prognosticator-elect. fired up for the rankings. With Story so early Dahl has to be high on the list.

Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
5 years ago

Ohhh yeah! Love seeing the Rox love. Was secretly hoping you were guna sneak Dahl in at 19 or 20, but TrevorEndingStory, Desmond, Blackmon, mwah! I remember being traumatized by how big Milano’s areolas are.

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
5 years ago

@Ra’zbahl Al Ghul: “honey you’ve been in the bathroom a very long time, is everything okay?”
” I’ll be right out? Just finishing the top 20″
“Do i hear the toilet rocking”
“YES!….I mean no”

Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
Reply to  Big Odio
5 years ago

@Big Odio: ha! Yup

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Reply to  Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
5 years ago

@Ra’zbahl Al Ghul: Dahl’s got to be top 30 with this 20, right? Makes you so excited you could try cleansing Gotham City again!

Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
Reply to  Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
5 years ago

@Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: The time is nigh, the onion lies not, our Buddhist extremist cell will fulfill our vow to unleash tranquility on the west. The NL west to be exact.

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Reply to  Ra'zbahl Al Ghul
5 years ago

@Ra’zbahl Al Ghul: Ha! Now that I’m thinking about it, are the Rockies the official team of the League of Shadows? Coors and that mountaintop shadow temple share many atmospheric traits…

Also, if so, then perhaps COL pitchers should be using some of that flower gas stuff to help their ERAs, no?

Cram It
Cram It
5 years ago

Ok, let’s do this. Keeper question: This is a point’s league, meaning pitchers are slightly more valuable than hitters. Like, the highest scoring bats hovered under the 700 pt line with Trout leading the way at 750, while the top pitchers were a little over 700, with Scherzer tops at 800. The points also favor on base/total bases guys but SB’s are so insignificant that you can discount factoring them into a player’s value. I need to keep 6 out of the guys below (w/last season’s points for context). I’m not trying to win now, but would like at least a strong trio of bats as a foundation for the long term. Also, 12 teamer, and rosters are shallow with offense having C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, 3 OF, UTIL; Pitching has a lofty 1450 IP limit. Any thoughts from anyone are welcome. Thanks!

Springer – 593
Frazier – 523
Odor – 498
Piscotty – 496
Franco – 424
Mazara – 357
Bregman – 179

Scherzer – 802
Urias – 221
Duffy – 528
Giolito – 2

I’m leaning Springer, Odor, Mazara, Bregman, Scherzer, Urias. But I’m considering losing Bregman for maybe Franco or Piscotty. I’m not crazy about having to find a 1B and 3B after round 6. Basically, my indecisiveness is rooted in the fact that I don’t know enough about these young guys after only one year. I’ll stop thinking out loud now. Go!

Malicious Phenoms
Malicious Phenoms
Reply to  Cram It
5 years ago

@Cram It:

First, is this a 4 ever keeper? If so:

I would also go with the 6 you picked.

Great value for this year and beyond.

Not a huge fan of Piscotty and Franco for long term.

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  Malicious Phenoms
5 years ago

@Malicious Phenoms: Yes keep forever. Thanks for your input.

Malicious Phenoms
Malicious Phenoms
Reply to  Cram It
5 years ago

@Cram It:
I’d for sure keep the same 6.

Bregman has more upside than Franco and Piscotty, plus AL, the juice box and that lineup.

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Malicious Phenoms
5 years ago

@Malicious Phenoms: just call it dynasty already, it’s the same thing with less words

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  Big Odio
5 years ago

@Big Odio: Is it? I tend to think Dynasty leagues have minor league systems and/or there’s less turnover because you keep most of your team

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Cram It
5 years ago

@Cram It: dynasty encapsulates all of it. If you are keeping forever you are building a dynasty. Keepers have limits where is dynasty does not. We had this discussion when mike worked here and I agreed that the presence of minors does not make it a dynasty. What if you had minors but could only have them on your team for 3 or 5 years. Would that make it a keeper or dynasty? By the inclusion of minors makes it a dynasty logic the limits would make it a keeper and by yours a dynasty.

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  Big Odio
5 years ago

@Big Odio: I agree, if there are limits on how long you can keep players, then it’s not a dynasty. So the opposite must mean dynasty. I’m okay with that.

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Cram It
5 years ago

@Cram It: makes me wonder why we don’t call dynasty format franchise. To me a dynasty team is a winner and from what I’ve experienced those leagues are filled with fantasy losers. So say franchise

MattTruss
Editor
Reply to  Big Odio
5 years ago

Best comment ever

Packers
Packers
Reply to  Cram It
5 years ago

@Cram It: I also like the 6 you picked. I would take Franco and Bergman over Frazier, so Frazier is an easy drop. I think the Phillies are going to have a nice lineup in a year or two if it is a keep forever. However the Astros already do. The pick of Bergman or Franco is the tough call. I’d probably go Franco but I think we are choosing between two guys that are pretty equal.

Dnut Eastwood
Reply to  Packers
5 years ago

@Packers: Gracias mi amigos, kiate de la voca bitchs. I like Bregman because of his lineup and playing in the AL. Even if its the AL west. But who am I. I don’t have a Mustache so that leaves me with little credibility

Curious George Springer
Curious George Springer
Reply to  Cram It
5 years ago

@Cram It: Can you keep Springer twice? He’s the best!

Springer
Odor
Mazara
Bregman
Scherzer
Duffy (esp if this is a points league and he has RP eligibility)

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  Curious George Springer
5 years ago

@Curious George Springer: Springer needs to be better!

There’s no way I’m passing on Urias. Maybe I’ll drop Springer for Duffy. :P

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Cram It
5 years ago

@Cram It: I’m leaning you posting your login and password

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  Big Odio
5 years ago

@Big Odio: I would, but my password says more about me than I’d like people to know.

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Cram It
5 years ago

@Cram It: password: snugglebunny

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  Big Odio
5 years ago

@Big Odio: goldenshowerface

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Cram It
5 years ago

@Cram It: oddly not surprising

Hoboken Squat Cobblers
Hoboken Squat Cobblers
Reply to  Cram It
5 years ago

@Cram It: Hey, that’s the same as our President-Elect’s password!!!

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Ok, you saying Bregman is a lock changes things. But I like your confidence in him. Thanks! I’ll see if any hot stove action takes place before we have to declare.

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: I agree, I don’t see myself competing this year unless the young bats go off, so I’m leaning Urias, tentavively. But I feel good getting 5 nailed down for now.

Sorry to see your boy Giancarlo far so far.

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: It’s offensively shallow, but guys carry about 8 SP’s because the IP limit is so high. I was playing catch-up the whole second half streaming garbage. Now, if Urias isn’t going to be a front-end ace in the next few years, that’s a different story.

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: June 10th to be exact.

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Because he was available? It’s not like he was good in the 4 starts he made until then. But I kinda see what you’re saying: Offense is shallow so I should stack up on that. I could hit SP hard starting round 7. But giving up on a probable(?) ace like that will leave me wanting…statistically and emotionally.

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: You’re banking on a guy like that to emerge..go from a reliever or relatively non-impactful to a top 20 starter. Is a Danny Duffy going to happen again? Actually, yes, I think so, and his name is Chris Devenski!!

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Fine, you beat me down…for now. Franco better not be a bust! I actually like him a lot, so it wouldn’t be your fault anyway.

The Great Knoche
The Great Knoche
Reply to  Cram It
5 years ago

@Cram It: Think I’d go,
Springer
Odor
Bregman
Mazara,
Scherzer
Urias

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  The Great Knoche
5 years ago

@The Great Knoche: Thanks brah. I’ll agonize over Urias for the last spot for the next couple of months.

zaphrodesiac
zaphrodesiac
5 years ago

Ian Desmond, wow

JoeG414
JoeG414
5 years ago

A little surprised that Lindor didn’t make it in the top 20

Wilson.
Wilson.
5 years ago

JD or Desmond in keeper league?

Wilson.
Wilson.
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey:
My other keepers: Rizzo , Machado , Springer , Blackmon , Arrieta

5×5 league with 6 keepers.
So, JD or Desmond?

Tigres
Tigres
5 years ago

Hey Grey – Yeah, great hitters, nice top 20, I miss Giancarlo too, blah blah blah. You KNOW we all just come here for catcher rankings. Bring it!

Ante GALIC
Ante GALIC
5 years ago

Grey!!!

Fantastic post, man! These are getting better and better – like fine wine, like 70-year rum turning to cognac, etc.

a. At Paris’ Charles de Gaule airport!! To wit, I have seen and heard many a Frenchy looking (and probably sounding) like our friend the Count de Monet Ball!! Imagine that! The only thing missing is his wig and the horse-drawn carriage driving through the middle of the airport!

b. A recent title for a porno I saw…..’Happy Moan Day!!!’ No jokes! Starring Brooklyn Chase (hubba-hubba!).

c. Same great names to mull over here! in the 11-20 range. I like it that pitchers aren’t here. It makes the hitters that much more useful.

Cheers,
Ante

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Ante GALIC
5 years ago

@Ante GALIC: rum turns into cognac? Maybe you’re thinking of brandy? Rum is made from sugar cane and cognac, like brandy, from grapes. Or maybe I’m missing something here. What Africa voodoo do you do…know

Big W
Big W
Reply to  Big Odio
5 years ago

@Big Odio: Cognac is a form of Brandy I believe… but don’t odio yourself for this…

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Big W
5 years ago

@Big W: I think they are basically the same, isnt cognac like Champagne, you can only call it cognac if it comes from a certain region. Like bourbon can only come from bourbon county. I dont know why I refuse to look this up but at least we both agree that rum is not cognac.

I got $100 for groceries, $1400 for liquor, and $6,000 for you to go bail a couple of shit puppets out of jail
I got $100 for groceries, $1400 for liquor, and $6,000 for you to go bail a couple of shit puppets out of jail
Reply to  Big Odio
5 years ago

@Big Odio: cognac IS a type of brandy. rum has nothing to do with either. my guess is anybody thinking rum turns into brandy probably hasn’t had both ever before.

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
5 years ago

This top 20 has me all sorts of pumped. Story’s momma would be so proud and will be throwing all sorts of shade the Xander and Franciso’s moms at the next PTA meeting.

In light of your top 20, do all of the below pairs beat the pair of $30 Kershaw and $6 Khris in a keeper league with annual inflation?

A. $10 Odor and one of $6 Myers or $4 Sanchez

B. $9 Desmond and $20 Kluber

C. $10 Just Dong and $12 Degrom

Any preferences over these options?

Thanks!!

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Reply to  Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
5 years ago

@Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: I forgot one!

D. $23 Blackmon and $12 Hanley

Though I guess not much difference between Blackmon and that $9 Desmond I guess…

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Gracias!

Vacation
Vacation
5 years ago

Keeper league (forever), keep 6 each year, who do you keep out of:

AuSchizz
Marte
Odor
Machado
Just Dong
Kluber
Carrasco
Polanco (BROCTUNE!!!!)

I’ll hang up and listen.

Curious George Springer
Curious George Springer
Reply to  Vacation
5 years ago

@Vacation: The first 5 are automatic. Then I’d probably keep Kluber over Polanco. That would be particularly true if it is a shallow (10-12 TM) 3 OF league.

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?