Our 2017 fantasy baseball rankings are humming right along.  The last post, the top 20 1st basemen for 2017 fantasy baseball, was the longest post ever written on the internet by a relatively sane person.  The post before that, top 20 catchers for 2017 fantasy baseball, was the longest post ever written by a relatively insane person.  Incredibly, these are the same person.  Glass half sane, glass half crazy, nah mean?  So, without further hubbub on the tomfoolery, the top 20 2nd basemen for 2017 fantasy baseball was shallow like how Altuve likes his pool water as recently as two years ago, but that was not the case last year, and almost rivaled 1st basemen for depth.  So, that’s the same again this year, right?  Well, let’s see about that.  As always, my projections are included and I mention where I see tiers starting and stopping.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 2nd basemen for 2017 fantasy baseball:

1. Jose Altuve – Went over him in the top 10 for 2017 fantasy baseball.

2. Trea Turner – Went over him in the top 20 for 2017 fantasy baseball.

3. Rougned Odor – Went over him in the top 20 for 2017 fantasy baseball.

4. Robinson Cano – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Murphy.  I call this tier, “Why don’t I want any of these guys?”  These players were all good last year.  All good as in the everyday definition and not ‘all good’ like the Urban Dictionary definition.  Though, those two definitions are kinda the same.  Last year, Cano thru Murphy were turnt up AF (attracting a younger demographic!).  Cano thru Murphy last year hit the ave, their low rider went bump and the perfect song came on the radio all summer long.  This year?  They are giving me the mehs!  I don’t want any of them.  As for Cano, he had a career year in ’16 in a career that’s had some superb seasons.  He had a new career high in runs (107) and homers (39).  His HR/FB% was his 2nd highest of his career.  Last time that happened, he followed a 33-homer season with 27 HRs.  He had one of the lowest average distances on homers for someone with at least 20 homers (less than Marcus Semien and Salvador Perez with 395.7 feet).  Oh, and now he’s gonna be 34 years old.  2017 Projections:  86/26/91/.291/2 in 605 ABs

5. Jonathan Villar – Could one position have more guys I’m less excited about than other fantasy baseball ‘perts?  I’ll give you a hint:  no.  Okay, less of a hint and more of a direct answer.  I will say that Villar has me less disillusioned than most of the guys in this tier, and more just on the bleh train headed to Whatevs-ville.  Villar is a 15 homer, 35 steal, .255 hitter.  That’s not bad (and, brucely, no one in this tier is bad per se); it’s just I think we had five career years in the span of five players.  When was the last time that happened?  I’ll give you another hint:  I have no idea and I’m hoping you can tell me.  2017 Projections:  91/15/51/.257/37 in 565 ABs

6. Brian Dozier – Okay, seriously, how many career years can one tier handle?!  If you’re drafting in a DeLorean and going back to last year, then this tier is so luscious.  But if you’re drafting for this year, I really don’t understand how you could get excited about any of these guys.  Dozier is a .245 hitter who usually hits around 25 homers with 15-ish steal speed.  It’s solid, but he had 42 homers and 18 steals with a .268 average last year.  His ceiling called and said there’s no more room up here, go back down!  2017 Projections:  102/25/74/.248/15 in 595 ABs

7. Jean Segura – Here’s what I said this offseason, “(Segura) went the other way in the Taijuan Walker trade.  How I feel about this trade is more clear than Flint drinking water.  I like Segura, but he is not the 20-homer, 30-steal, .320-hitting guy he was last year.  Aren’t you supposed to build around young pitchers too?  Isn’t that Fix Your Team 101?  Don’t worry, Mariners fans are among the loudest homers, so you’ll hear all about how this is a great trade for them.  Yeah, mmhmm.  I rolled my eyes real hard between the yeah and the mmhmm.  You couldn’t even see my irises in the middle of the roll.  That’s how hard I roll!”  And that’s me quoting me!  2017 Projections:  83/11/46/.274/27 in 580 ABs

8. Ian Kinsler – I like the guys in this tier!  Dot dot dot.  At last year’s draft price.  This year, you’re lucky if you break even!  The preceding sounds like it could’ve also been a chorus in a 2 Live Jews song, and ‘Dot Dot Dot’ was signaling to one of the old Jewish ladies in the video.  A bit of insight into the actual numbering here, I almost had the tier go from Cano to Dozier and Segura thru Murphy as a different tier.  Also, at one point, I had Kinsler above Segura with Kipnis below Murphy.  What does all this mean besides my early campaigning for Indecision ’17?  It means everyone from Segura to Murphy are close, and Cano, Villar and Dozier feel on a slightly higher level.  2017 Projections:  105/18/77/.272/12 in 607 ABs

9. Daniel Murphy – Went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2017 fantasy baseball.

10. Jonathan Schoop – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until LeMahieu.  I call this tier, “The night shift!”  Tier name is pretty straightforward.  Kidding, the tier name makes no sense without an explanation.  The other day my Cougar wife said to me that, due to my snoring, we might have to sleep in shifts.  She would sleep for six hours then I get to sleep for six hours.  So, I immediately yelled, “I take the night shift!” Cougs then argued that she came up with the plan so she gets the night shift, but I said it’s like when you call shotgun first.  Doesn’t matter if that means grandma, with her arthritic knees, is stuck in the backseat, if you call shotgun first, then you get shotgun.  Well, I called the night shift, which means I get to sleep from midnight to six AM and Cougs can sleep from 6 AM to noon.  That’s this tier, the tier you want, the night shift.   As for Schoop, I’m convinced that if people saw Schoop hit, they’d be as excited about drafting him.  Let’s see if there’s anything to that:

Sexy, right?  I also think people are less enthusiastic for Schoop due to his OBP, even if people don’t play in OBP leagues.  Would it be nice if he took some walks?  Yeah, I guess, but the elderly are all about taking walks, but I’m not drafting how well the old dude with tennis balls on his walker is moving through the mall.  Last year was a big year for power, and Schoop’s stats actually show he has more to give, rather than less.  His fly balls went down slightly along with his HR/FB%.  If those revert to his career norms, and, at 25 years old, I expect they will, then he can get above 30+ HRs without a ton of effort. 2017 Projections:  78/30/89/.260/2 in 565 ABs

11. Dee Gordon – 94/2/28/.268/60 is Gordon’s stats from last year if you would prorate them across a whole season.  Sure, when we prorate, we make a pro out of rat and E.  Okay, that doesn’t work as well as assume, but 50+ steals doesn’t seem like a pipe dream, unless Gordon was smoking his PEDs rather than just injecting them.  2017 Projections: 88/3/39/.282/51 in 608 ABs

12. Jose Peraza –  For every guy that says at your draft, “Pereza is gonna play and steal 50+ bases!”  Tell him there’s a Chinese orphan that drafted Peraza last year with the same hopes, and back then they had a family.  Draft Peraza, but he may abandon you as the Reds abandon him.  UPDATE:  The Reds look more committed to Peraza now than in January and have been pushing him to be their number two hitter, and, since their number one hitter is Billy Hamilton, the Reds could lead the league in bunts, infield singles and ‘Damn, I shouldn’t have blinked’s.   2017 Projections:  78/4/46/.288/44 in 527 ABs

13. Devon Travis – Already gave you my Devon Travis sleeper.  It was written while sifting through my Cracker Jack for the prize.  2017 Projections: 91/19/64/.285/10 in 578 ABs

14. DJ LeMahieu – This is so not the kind of guy I usually get excited about.  11 HRs and 11 SBs last year?  Let me vomit into my mouth then slowly drop it out of mouth and spell out ‘Blech’ with vomit spittle.  That’s my usual reaction to a guy like LeMahieu.  LeMehpew — amiright?!   Okay, so bear with me, or bare with me if you’re a nudist, LeMahieu’s average home run distance was 416.6 feet, that would’ve been the 4th highest in the majors if he had 20 homers.  He hit a ton of homers to straightaway center (okay, only six to center, but he only hit 11 total).  If he pulls some balls in Coors, I think 20 HRs is possible. We’re seeing a new LeMahieu — LeMahnew? — one that hits for some power and still hits for a high average.  Finally, his speed is kinda make or break his value a bit — LeValue? — and he might be more of a 15-steal guy than the 23 steals he had in 2015.  There’s some risk here, but I’m guessing LeMahieu becomes a top five 2nd baseman this year with not that much risk when you consider he was the 9th best 2nd baseman last year on your Player Rater.  The top five is his LeMilieu.  2017 Projections:  96/14/64/.311/15 in 560 ABs

15. Matt Carpenter – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Castro.  I call this tier, “If you don’t know what to expect, welcome to your first year of fantasy baseball.  It’s challenging (to maintain relationships while watching fifteen games every day for six months).”  Went over Carpenter in the top 20 1st basemen for 2017 fantasy baseball.

16. Logan Forsythe – I saw some talk this offseason by someone that LoFo is a cheap Kipnis.  I suppose there’s a case to be made there, I’m not making that case obvi. LoFo had 511 ABs last year, and 509 of them were leadoff, and he still only had 76 runs.  Yeah, LoFo’s my fetch.  UPDATE:  The Dodgers traded for Forsythe because I guess he was a cheap Dozier?  You know, because the Dodgers were trying to trade for Dozier this offseason.  This pushes Kike Hernandez to the bench.  So, the Dodgers went for Forsythe over someone with no foreskin?  This boosts his counting stats value (more runs and RBIs), but doesn’t do a lot for his AVG and HRs.  I’m boosting him in the rankings, but keeping him in the same tier.  2017 Projections: 88/16/54/.265/9 in 543 ABs

17. Dustin Pedroia – Trick question:  does the Waldorf-Astoria have the highest priced prostitutes?  Okay, trick question on topic:  in the last five years, Pedroia has 106+ runs and 16+ homers, how many times?  Zero.  2017 Projections: 88/12/51/.306/6 in 570 ABs

18. Ben Zobrist – He will have at least 710 ABs this year if he stays healthy.  Those capable of a little in-between-line reading will see how healthy I think he will be this year.  As his wife song goes, “Jesus is with us every day, but Ben is day-to-day, day-to-day, day-to-day.”  Hey, take it up with her the rhyming of day with day, day and day.  2017 Projections: 86/14/55/.266/7 in 555 ABs

19. Neil Walker – If you came to this post only looking to see what I had to say about Neil Walker, you should check Ancestry.com or Geni.com, I bet you’re related to him.  2017 Projections:  66/23/75/.275/3 in 523 ABs

20. Starlin Castro – Last year I said something like, “I love Castro, he’s gonna get 20+ homers, yippee-ki-ay-motherfracker!”  Maybe not the fracking part because I just started watching Battlestar Galactica.  By the way, I’m not a sci-fi geek, but BG’s entertaining as frack.  As for Castro, um, yeah, he got 20+ homers and was still whatever.  2017 Projections:  67/23/77/.265/5 in 567 ABs

21. Javier Baez – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Mondesi.  I call this tier, “You sure they got the everyday job?”  By this tier name I mean, I hear the same stuff as you, how each of these guys is starting for their team or how they’re not starting.  I think they’re all liable to be drafted in March and, by May, it’s going to become, “Ugh, (fill-in player name from this tier) isn’t playing again.  Why didn’t you tell me he was going to sit so much?”  Then I’ll link to this.  Then you’ll say, “Hey, look at the birdie,” as you’re distracted.  As for Baez, I’m guessing I’m more down on Baez, in a non-sexual way, than most ‘perts.  On a bad team, Baez plays for 600 ABs and I’m Afrika Bambaataa wearing sunglasses that have Baez’s face on them and a medallion with Baez’s number.  Now?  I don’t see Baez getting more than 450 ABs or hitting anywhere above the six hole for more than a hundred of them.  The Cubs winning last year really cemented this too.  If you’re Maddon, do you work in Baez more than last year after being so successful platooning him?  Rhetorical!  2017 Projections:  55/17/65/.268/13 in 449 ABs

22. Jason Kipnis – Can take some solace that I refuse to pay retail prices for two guys in this tier — Kinsler and Kipnis — because Kinsler is Jewish and Kipnis sounds like a side order at a Jewish deli that you ask the waitress to explain every time you’re there and always forget how she described it.  “It’s what stuffed into an intestine?”  This tier, maybe more than any other tier this year, is going to tell us whether the offense surge last year is going to be a long term trend or if it’s going to be a one year thing.  Kipnis has me the most optimistic from this tier.  Not optimistic enough to move him in a more favorable tier, but his numbers don’t scream regression if you believe the gains he made last year.  His fly balls shot up (literally), his hard contact went way up, his ground balls went down (literally and figuratively).  A 13.1% HR/FB doesn’t seem that impossible to repeat.  He looks a lot more like a 17-homer guy than an under-ten homer guy as he was in 2014 and ’15.  The big concern is something he can’t change — his actual profile of a 17-homer, 15-steal, .265-type of hitter.  That just isn’t that exciting.  UPDATE:  Kipnis will miss Opening Day with a rotator cuff injury.  Terry Francona said, “Kipnis is getting better and nothing went haywire.”  Is it me or do managers talk like they’re in the 1940’s?  “All these newfangled buttons on the iPhone!  Just give me a clubhouse phone and Andrew Miller and I’ll be a-okay.  Unless I’m facing dem newfangled Dominican players.  Consarnit!  That Nelson Cruz jumping-jack-frass’d that ball to kingdom come!  Now, someone get me my Pall Malls!”  That’s Jim Leyland after the U.S.-Dominican game this past weekend.  That Nelson Cruz could live in the Sandals’ Punta Cana resort for the rest of his life without paying any resort fee.  I’m talking free bags of plantain chips!  UPDATE II:  Will be out another month-plus.  Funny how ‘nothing went haywire’ and Kipnis has had three setbacks through three doctor visits.  My advice, stop going to the doctor.  2017 Projections:  51/11/41/.259/12 in 419 ABs

23. Jedd Gyorko –  Went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2017 fantasy baseball.

24. Josh Harrison – Best case scenario, he tops his career high of 13 homers and career high of 19 steals, so a poor man’s Segura.  Worst case scenario, he sleeps with your wife, watches cartoons on your Netflix so your suggested shows are all screwed up and uses your Rickey Henderson rookie card as a coaster.  Most realistic scenario…. 2017 Projections:  73/7/48/.280/17 in 491 ABs

25. Ryan Schimpf – Doesn’t Schimpf sound like a genetically modified shrimp they only serve at PF Chang’s?  No?  Meh, maybe it’s just me.  Schimpf could hit 35 homers, with a .180 average and be playing in Korea by 2018.  Or he hits 25 homers with a .210 average and is playing in Korea in 2019.  Lots of possibilities here!  2017 Projections:  54/27/62/.207/5 in 488 ABs

26. Hernan Perez – *looks up how Hernan got 404 ABs last year in 123 games, gets distracted and somehow five hours later I’m on the Wikipedia page for the actor that plays Gregor Clegane*  Pretty interesting stuff, but can he do it again? (Don’t even remember who the ‘he’ is I was distracted for so long… Oh!  Yeah, Hernan!)  Right, so Perez was a Swiss Army knife last year for the Brewers, as his mention on the 2017 position eligibility chart shows.  He has no starting job right now, but that might not preclude him from 400+ ABs anymore than Lawrie’s starting job guarantees him 400-plus ABs.  I imagine a lot of value for Perez in daily NL-Only leagues when you can slot him in and out of your lineup, and not a ton of people drafting him in shallower weekly leagues.  If he gets the ABs, I don’t think a 10/30 season is that hard to imagine.  2017 Projections:  55/10/46/.247/30 in 422 ABs

27. Kolten Wong – There’s hope here that he recaptures his former top prospect status, but there’s also a possibility it’s all just Wong.  2017 Projections:  59/14/64/.278/10 in 435 ABs

28. Raul Mondesi – Will challenge that age-old adage, you can’t steal first base.  If he makes it to September in the lineup, he will then challenge, you can’t wear white after Labor Day.  Though, all players struggle with that.  2017 Projections:  51/9/59/.212/38 in 487 ABs

29. Danny Espinosa – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Solarte.  I call this tier, “Yes, they are the starters.  God help you if you own one.”  As for Espinosa, here’s what I said this offseason, “(Espinosa was) traded to the Angels.  Going back to the Nats in the trade was, “We don’t care, just take Espinosa.”  Why did Arte Moreno go from spending $200 million every offseason to looking like he’s using EBT?  Is Moreno the Latin Loria?  Did he build up a team to get a lucrative TV contract and then pull the rug out on fans?  Mike Trout is looking like a modern day Ernie Banks with this schmohawk offense.”  And that’s me quoting me!  2017 Projections:  57/19/67/.215/12 in 502 ABs

30. Brandon Drury – Too bad Mark Grace no longer announces games for the Diamondbacks, since Drury sounds like a drunk person saying drawer.  “Hey, woman, did you put my koozie in the Drury?”  That’s you after one too many.  You can’t start in Chase Field all year and not have moments where you look like you’re going to be a top five option at your position, if only for a few weeks.  Drury went through it last year.   Though, even after a near-full season, Drury still only had 16 homers and 1 steal.  So, yeah.  2017 Projections:  66/18/71/.277/2 in 480 ABs

31. Joe Panik – I’ve seen a few things with Panik.  Seen him listed as the starter, the strong side of a platoon with Ehire Adrianza and as the first reaction when your drunk dad says he wants to give a toast.  I’d be more Panik’d if I had to rely on him for fantasy.  2017 Projections:  58/8/61/.262/5 in 488 ABs

32. Cesar Hernandez – Feels like one of those guys that is great in theory and terrible in reality.  Like every Jim Jarmusch film.  Adam Driver couldn’t even save Paterson.  I’m sorry, but that movie would put to sleep a hummingbird on cocaine.  2017 Projections:  65/4/35/.277/20 in 515 ABs

33. Howie Kendrick – Went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2017 fantasy baseball.

34. Brandon Phillips –  His value will go up if he’s traded to a contender where there’s no room for him to be a regular player, just so he’s no longer being awful in an lineup.  UPDATE:  As my previous blurb indicated, I figured Phillips would be traded, just didn’t expect it to happen this soon.  Phillips goes to the Braves as a stopgap to prospect, Ozzie Albies, and clubhouse influence, which is different than Jung-ho who is just under the influence.  Ooh, Idea Alert!  They should have a TV show, NL Storytellers, where veterans get on and talk about how things were while being accompanied by a striped-down Matchbox Twenty.  As for Phillips in Atlanta for fantasy, nothing changes.  2017 Projections:  65/12/69/.269/15 in 512 ABs

35. Yangervis Solarte – Fair point, person who pointed out that Solarte will be more valuable than Schimpf because of Solarte’s .270 average and decent counting stats.  You won tickets for the Padres.  You can pick any game, any seat and stretch your legs over 50,000 seats while you’re there.  The thing is, Solarte has absolutely no upside and is a complete bore who I would never draft him, while I could see a flyer on Schimpf.  That totally is a P.F. Chang’s dish, right?  Schimpf flyer?  No?  Damn.  2017 Projections:  68/16/77/.270/1 in 509 ABs

36. Wilmer Flores – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Dietrich.  I call this tier, “I like them, just playin’.”  Hmm, for the millennial set that might be confusin’.  I do like these guys, if they are just playin’.  Not jokin’, I mean just startin’.  Damn, bad week to drop all my G’s.  If these ‘uys are just playin’, I like them.  Not just jokin’!  U’h, for’et it.  As for Wilmer, went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2017 fantasy baseball.

37. Steve Pearce – Here’s what I said this offseason, “(Pearce) signed with the Jays. Thus far the Blue Jays’ offseason moves can be described by their fans as, “I hope there’s better moves to come.” As of right now, Pearce is the Jays’ starting left fielder and best hitting outfielder.  Gulp.”  And that’s me quoting me!  The good news, the Jays signed Bautista after that.  The bad news for the Jays….Bautista.  2017 Projections:  44/14/49/.279/2 in 315 ABs

38. Scooter Gennett – News out of Milwaukee is Scooter will need to battle for playing time.  If Scooter has a sword, spiked mace or gun, I like his chances.  If he has a bat, then I’m worried about him.  2017 Projections:  41/10/47/.274/5 in 390 ABs

39. Tyler Saladino – He should see playing time when Lawrie blows out his knee or ‘any last bit of enthusiasm anyone can anyone have for Lawrie is gone.’  2017 Projections:  41/7/44/.276/13 in 376 ABs

40. Jace Peterson – He could hit 10 homers and steal 30 bases.  Just playin’!  Not just jokin’, with the Braves playin’ with Jace.  Not messin’ with him, playin’ him!  Si’h.  2017 Projections:  51/5/27/.239/13 in 403 ABs

41. Whit Merrifield – As Lewis Carroll once said, “To Whit Merrifield, among the mad people who drafted him.  Why, sometimes I’m ‘To Whit Merrifield’ too.”  2017 Projections:  40/5/34/.261/5 in 302 ABs

42. Derek Dietrich – Went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2017 fantasy baseball.

44. Enrique Hernandez – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until the end of the list.  I call this tier, “I’m sorry you had a stroke during the draft, but at least you drafted someone to play 2nd base.”  As for Enrique, he’s the third Jew of the top 20 2nd basemen.  Though, only when he goes by his nickname.  UPDATE:  The Dodgers showed great Forsythe by not starting the season with this schmohawk.  2017 Projections:  54/12/57/.248/6 in 507 ABs

43. Jurickson Profar – Went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2017 fantasy baseball.

44. Brett Lawrie – You, “Lawrie has to start every day, the White Sox are rebuilding.”  You in May, “Why do I own Lawrie yet actively rooting for Saladino to steal at-bats from him?”  You in June, “Thank God, Lawrie got hurt.”  UPDATE:  The White Sox released Lawrie.  He’s not concerned, he just updated his LinkedIn profile with “aggressively runs into the stands at a moment’s notice.”  Should be hearing from someone any day now.  2017 Projections: 61/15/64/.244/6 in 475 ABs

44. Jed Lowrie – Jed’s dead (last), baby, Jed’s dead (last).  2017 Projections: 48/7/52/.249 in 468 ABs

 
  1. Christian Herman says:
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    Benintendi or Mazara?
    Bret Hart or Triple H

  2. Grey kissed my girlfriend! says:
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    In a 20 team league it seems reasonable to punt 2nd base. I’m ok with grabbing the 30th 2b and maybe even my MI beyond that. Go big elsewhere… disagree?

    • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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      @Grey kissed my girlfriend!: I could see it – though if you’re punting I’d maybe aim for a decidedly boring / average guy who won’t F up you’re stats . . . like Forsythe / Solarte type, rather than a boom/bust pick. Schimpf and part time guys are interesting, but could really hurt if they don’t pan out and, in a 20 team league, I can only imagine what the wire looks like if you needed to find a replacement!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Grey kissed my girlfriend!: Sure, if there’s a reason and other positions are readily available… I’d obviously want Odor over Lawrie

  3. Joey says:
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    Hey grey I’m in a 12 team dynasty league keep 20 with total rosters of 35. We are able to trade our entire team of 35 all off season until we lock in our keepers a few weeks before the draft. I was hoping to get your opinion on my team and where to improve. I traded my depth this offseason for stars…cause it’s fun, really. I traded for sale correa sanchez and odor this off season so far. This would be my 20 keepers if I locked them today. Thank you in advance.

    1b. Rizzo
    2b. Odor
    SS. Correa
    3b. Machado
    C. Gary Sanchez
    OF. Mookie Betts
    OF. Adam Eaton
    OF. Empty
    Util. Daniel Murphy
    Util. Empty
    NA. JP Crawford
    NA. Brendan Rodgers
    NA. Victor Robles

    SP. Chris sale
    SP. Carlos carrasco
    SP. Julio Teheran
    SP. Anthony desclafani
    SP. Vincent Velasquez
    SP. Jose de Leon
    SP. Jose berrios
    RP. AJ Ramos
    RP. Sam dyson

    I can keep Dillon Tate, nick Williams, or Chris carter over Sam dyson if you advise it.

    I also have 4 first round draft picks including first overall, 3 second rounders and 2 third rounders. Thanks, you’re the man

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Joey: Team looks pretty balanced, see no reason why you wouldn’t be competitive unless hit by unfortunate injuries… If I had to quibble, you’re a little light on power, but you still have spots to draft

      • Joey says:
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        @Grey: I moved Daniel Murphy for giolito Gallo and Austin meadows. I can re draft murphys numbers I think. What do you think of the players I received for him

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Sounds okay if those guys pan out in a year or two

  4. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Loving the continued Schoop love. If you could keep him at $5 does he beat a $6 Khris for your final keeper spot? (Other keepers are Rizzo Betts Story Dahl Moncada Kershaw in a 5 outfield league).

    Surprised you’re not on the Villar train as much, but I agree he’s more like the guy you described (not a 62 sb nearly 20 hr guy). That being said, I think Villar gets a big boost in OBP leagues thanks to his walk rate . . . if you compare his stats to say, Trea Turner, replacing AVG with OBP, they start to look more like twins.

    Also like the DJL piece . . . those projections look a lot like 2015 Brantley (minus some counting stats), no?

    • Cram It says:
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      @Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: You come up with some weird player comps, brah. Looks like 2015 Brandon Phillips with a higher avg! ;)

      • Cram It says:
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        @Cram It: 2016. Well, 2015 with less steals. Ah screw it.

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Cram It: Ha! Yeah couldn’t tell you why! Now it’s a joke, but for a while I literally couldn’t stop comparing people to Todd Frazier . . . who honestly is probably the LEAST like any other player out there.

        Anyway, the Brantley one was definitely not so subtlety motivated by the fact that I’m one of those masochists who hasn’t had Brantley since the year Razz called his breakout . . . but for some reason am interested again now that his shoulder hit a landmine.

    • Grey

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      @Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: They’re tomato-tomahto… Villar worries me a little, but not as much as the rest of that tier, as I said above…. I think LeMahieu is like Frazier but with more average, less power and at 2nd

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: Good call on the Frazier comp. Makes sense.

        • Grey

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          I’m like Frazier, only don’t play baseball

          • Robert says:
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            @Grey: He’s like Frazier in that he played in the Little League world series?

            • Grey

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              I watched the Little League World Series once, for about an inning

              • Robert says:
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                @Grey: How else am I going to get 10 years ahead of the game in my dynasty league?

                • Grey

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                  DeLorean?

  5. Nick says:
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    Hey Moustache ,

    welcome back for a 2017 baseball season

    thanks for your early rankings ,,,
    can’t wait for all of them cause …

    here is how my keeper team is set for now: (14keepers)(25players /team)
    Top of the Pop:
    1B Golschmidt #1 Encarnacion #5
    2B Altuve #1 Trea #2
    OF Springer Desmond top20 +Myers

    Rest of consideration :
    C Contreras #4
    3B Carpenter (#10)
    OF Trumbo -Bautista – KDavis (#20-30 OF)
    SP Archer (#12)Salazar (#30)
    RP KJansen #1

    Bubble:
    SP RHill – AReyes – McHugh
    RP CAllen – Dyson – Oh

    NO keepers:
    Lamb
    Taillon Lugo Cotton

    Nick the French Stick

    • Joey says:
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      @Nick: taillon isn’t in consideration over hill or mchugh? Or Reyes for that matter

    • Grey

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      @Nick: McHugh is out for Taillon

  6. Andrew says:
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    Dynasty league. Who would you rather have going forward, Murphy or Dozier?

  7. Count de Monetball says:
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    Sensory overload! So many keystones to chose from! That is the 2nd longest post ever! (See yesterday for the longest)! I’m intrigued on how these guys are going to shake out in the overall rankings; liking schoop this year again too!

    As a thank you Grey, let me write your entire post for Monday for SS except for the lede, uh umm, here goes:

    #. PLAYER NAME – I went over him in the top 20 2nd basemen for 2017 fantasy baseball

    Have a great weekend!

  8. Jason says:
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    Morning Grey,

    Which player would you want in a “keep forever” keeper league?

    Hamels, Trumbo or K.Davis

    It’s a deep 12-team H2H league.
    Hitting categories are: R H HR RBI SB K(against) BB TB AVG OPS
    Pitching categories are: IP K/9 K/BB W QS ERA WHIP HR(against)

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        @Grey:
        Is Hamels too much to give for Trumbo straight-up or it’s fair?

        • Grey

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          Decent, fair

  9. Digger Phelps says:
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    Grey – Before you get inundated with “this guy or this guy” questions you have to answer in a vacuum (if you haven’t already started), I just want to thank you for the work you do on these rankings. I was mediocre at best in fantasy Bball until stumbling upon your site and am now consistently competing for the ‘ship. Specifically, the pitcher rankings have helped me hit on a lot of under the radar guys, so I look forward to reading those each year. I’m sure I speak for all the readers when I say we appreciate the quality rankings blended with a sense of humor. Selfishly I just hope my league mates also don’t find the site! Cheers brotha and keep up the good work.

    -DP

    • Digger Phelps says:
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      @Digger Phelps: I forgot I actually did have a random question: Have you or Rudy done any analysis on the accuracy of the stream-o-nator or hittertron compared to other sites? For example, comparing the weekly pitching rankings you have to that of ESPN’s “fantasy forecaster” or something like that. Not to call out another site or anything, just out of curiosity.

  10. JoeG414 says:
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    One of your boldest projections is that Cano gets 2SB

  11. Copperhead Road says:
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    Great post, Grey. I’ve been waiting for this one. So many questions with these guys, as you say. Here’s mine. A keeper one:
    WWGD?- What Would Grey Do?
    Context- I plan on Beltre at 3rd (or at least until THOSE rankings come out!), Machado at SS. I have lots of power with other keepers but it’s always nice to have more.
    Would you rather play:
    a) Turner at 2b, Segura ($3) at MI, OZUNA ($4) OF
    b) Turner in OF, Schoop ($5 ) at 2b, Segura at MI and drop OZUNA
    c) I guess there is no C
    I kinda like Segura at the price and could use steals so I think I know what your going to say. But still would like your opinion on who the better keeper is for the price- Segura, Schoop, OZUNA.
    As always, Thanks.

      • Copperhead Road says:
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        @Grey: Thanks. That’s what I was thinking too.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  12. Big W says:
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    Hey Grey,

    So Villar hit .298 in the first half and .270 in the second half… Why do you not believe? Why will he hit .257 in 2017?

    Every year in my keeper, average has plagued my team. This off season I decided to make a culture change… traded away Frazier and other low average guys and acquired Villar, JD Martinez, etc. I was feeling pretty good about potential average for my team and now I’m not feeling so good after seeing your .257 Villar projection. There’s still time though… I can trade him. He has lot’s of value to my league mates.

    – Paranoid Big W

    • Grey

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      @Big W: He had a .373 BABIP last year which seems crazy high…. He also Ks at a 25% rate… Not great for a high average….

      • Big W says:
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        @Grey: Well I guess I’ll have to hope for another lucky season. I guess it’s not the end of the world if he will be my only .250 hitter… at least it’s not .220.

        Thanks for the logical explanation Grey.

        • Grey

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          No problem

  13. Fungazi says:
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    Unless I’m not understanding the tiers, the only guys you are going to want to draft are the night shift crew?

    • Grey

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      @Fungazi: I like the front few (Altuve, etc)…. Night Shift is ideal… And Carp and Baez tiers are okay, but Carp’s is boring and Baez’s just may not play

  14. Zeus says:
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    There were a lot of career years last year. Seems fishier than Betty Whites privates

    • Grey

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      @Zeus: Ewwww

    • Robert says:
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      @Grey: He’s like Frazier in that he played in the Little League world [email protected]Zeus: Really, the inimitable Betty White? If you are going Golden Girls reference, the joke kills much more with Rue Mcclanahan

  15. Clint says:
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    Pearce is only listed as 1B in my league. Where would you slot him in those ranklings, good sir?

    • Clint says:
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      @Clint:
      And you wrote a sleeper post on Tim Anderson but then didn’t rank him? Bruh……

      • Clint says:
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        @Clint:
        Scratch that. Anderson’s only a SS in my league too so maybe I’m jumping the gun on that one.

        • Montezuma's Revenge...right now says:
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          @Clint: in between wilmer and dietrich

  16. joeybell says:
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    Your Villar projection implies that you think that last year’s power was more legit than the speed? I was sure you’d say 11 HR, 45 steals. Any more thoughts on how you got there?

    • Grey

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      @joeybell: Average comes down, steals will due to less times on base… You wanna say 11/45 instead of 13/37, not really that big of a difference, about a week more of steals for yours

  17. Warren says:
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    The only ranking I can quibble with is Carp. Seems pretty dependable, two straight years of .235 ISO and a great batted ball profile (9% soft contact last year!). If not for the injury he would have hit 25 again. Only 31, so injury or age cliff doesn’t seem like a huuuuge problem.

    Basically, he seems like Cano/Murphy to me, likely hitting 3rd behind Fowler and Diaz so should have a solid 85+ R/RBI. Why is he down at 15? Seems like he should put up a top 10 season to me. Also I am in an OBP league so he’s even more attractive (and Odor even stinkier).

    What are your concerns with him? Age?

    • Grey

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      @Warren: His HR/FB on career is below 10%… His biggest fly ball year was 177 fly balls… That gives him 18 HRs… Of course, he can have a higher fly ball rate or HR/FB but at 31 career norm seems closer than thinking upside

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        @Grey: I was wondering the same thing because doesn’t any of that change slightly with the approach when hitting 3rd vs. the times he has lead off or 2-holed it (pun definitely intended)

        • Grey

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          I doubt it, don’t have high hopes for him

  18. Joe says:
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    What about Moncada? What are the chances he gets the starting job? Regardless, he’ll probably get 400 ABs this year for the rebuilding Sox. Thoughts? I’m VERY high on him in keeper leagues, especially given that the steals give him a high floor – and he has a direct path to the Majors.

    • Grey

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      @Joe: He’s ticketed for minors as of right now

  19. Montezuma's Revenge...right now says:
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    who do you see at 2B if not drurrrry?

      • Montezuma's Revenge...right now says:
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        @Grey: marte ARI? at 2B?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ketel, yeah…. Why do I need to keep approving your comments? So weird… Could you try to comment with a different name to see if it keeps happening?

          • Montezuma's Revenge...right now says:
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            @Grey: rosterresource is weirdly showing ketel one in minors, forgot about him. it’s been doing that for months (saying each comment needs to be verified)

            • Grey

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              re: Moderation — Yeah, but only for you… That’s why I’m wondering if you just try to comment with the name Bob if it would work… Trying to figure out if it’s your IP or username causing problems

              • Montezuma's Revenge...right now says:
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                @Grey: i’ll try that, but i’ve seen you ask about this same problem for at least 3 others in last 2 weeks or so.

                i’ll try “bob” here in a second.

  20. dhouse42 says:
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    Do you think odor continues to slip to 3rd or even 4th round in a typical 12-team league? That would be awesome.

    • Grey

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      @dhouse42: Yeah, I don’t think most are taking him in the 2nd round

  21. G says:
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    Hey Gray,

    Excited to be back in baseball. Knew when I had a dream about losing my third round pick it was about that time.

    So, my four keepers are machado, Arenado, Correa, and Trea Turner. Love all of them – but would you trade Correa (round 9) or Machado (round 5) for Rizzo (round 7) to have my infield set and give me more flexibility rather than having to put one of those guys in one of my two utility? If so, would you be comfortable parting with either one for Rizzo if owner likes over the other? Who would you rather give up for Rizzo? Thanks as always.

    • Grey

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      @G: Ha! Machado for Rizzo

  22. Matty says:
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    This is where I’m having the toughest time with my deep twelve team dynasty.
    I plan to have Schoop ($3) as my main 2B squeeze, but I’m still tempted by my Segura ($13) and Baez ($9) side pieces.

    I also can’t decide what to do with Nuñez for $4 but he doesn’t become an issue until Monday and Tuesday when you do SS and 3B (Story for $5 will be the main SS).

    Is there a tier of pitchers I could hope to get for two of those three (Baez/ Nun/ Segura)?

    Thanks.

    • Grey

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      @Matty: Hmm… Baez and Segura? That should get you a low #1, at least high number #2….

      • Matty says:
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        @Grey:
        Excellent.
        (Number one starter means top fifteen or so? Number one on my team, right?)

        Thanks again.

        • Grey

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          Top 20 SP

  23. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!

    Great post, man! It’s like a modern day Mona Lisa!

    a. Arrived today in Farchana, USA! All went well with the flight, I unpacked everything, showered AND am at work to boot – the Chadian trifecta!

    b. This list of 2B has me really scared!!! So, yesterday’s message – draft one of the top 2 1B. The message today – draft one of the top 4 2B. What will be the message on Monday? Draft one of the top 2 SS? Man, we’re in trouble this year! Seems like HRs will be way down – thanks, Donald!

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Grey

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      @Ante GALIC: Ha, thanks! A. You got Chad on lock! B. Haha, yup!