After going over my top 10 for 2017 fantasy baseball and top 20 for 2017 fantasy baseball (clickbait!), I move onto the one post all year that make all the ladies say ‘Ooooh…’ The manner in which those ladies in question say ‘Ooooh…’ is as such, “Ooooh…So, are we going to the mall after you’re done reading that fantasy baseball nonsense or can we go now and, while I’m shopping, you sit outside Orange Julius reading that shizz while I’m dropping buckets of duckets on earrings?  And, no, we can’t go to Lush so you can play with the handmade soaps.”  It’s better if we leave it at, this post makes all the ladies say ‘Ooooh…’  The ellipsis says enough, I think.  The projections noted in the post are my own, and I mention where tiers start and stop.  I also mention a bunch of hullabaloo, so let’s get to it.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 catchers for 2017 fantasy baseball:

1. Gary Sanchez – This is the first tier.  This tier goes from here until Schwarber.  I call this tier, “The new guard.”  Guess what the next tier name is.  If you said the ‘The Wildebeest guard,’ you’re Siri, and think this tier name was ‘The Gnu guard.’  No, the next tier is clearly going to be the Old Guard.  After that, the guards get intermingled.  Most of you know how I feel about catchers.  If you draft a catcher any time before the first 100 picks, you don’t know how I feel about catchers.  Let me freshen up your cocktail with a splash of insight.  I don’t draft top catchers in one catcher leagues.  I Reggie Roby them.  Last year, Lucroy was the top ranked catcher at the end of year.  Yet, he was only the 77th best player for all of fantasy, about the same value as Eric Hosmer and Carlos Beltran.  That’s right, the 14th best 1st baseman and an 84-year-old outfielder were as valuable as the best catcher.  The best catcher can’t spray aerosol deodorant on the top guy for another position.  Hmm, maybe I should’ve called this tier, Right Guard.  Or maybe that’s Wrong Guard.  Or ‘en garde’ if you try to put a catcher on my team.  Only 12 catchers last year ended the year ranked in the top 250 overall.  That means only 12 catchers had positive fantasy values.  In other words, if you drafted any catchers below the top 12 for more than zero dollars, you lost value.  As for Sanchez, I’m actually excited about seeing what this tier of catchers can do.  That in no way indicates I will be drafting any of them.  Gary Sanchez is slang for a Dirty Sanchez performed in Gary, Indiana, and he’s also the cream of the crap.  2017 Projections:  71/27/82/.260/3 in 471 ABs

2. Kyle Schwarber – For all my rankings, I use the 2017 fantasy baseball position eligibility chart.  And, by chart, I mean, thing I wrote after sniffing glue.  My jorts is ten games.  Hmm, shouldn’t have used a thesaurus and just used the word cutoff.  But, and this is a strangely alluring but like you’d find with a female bodybuilder, Schwarber doesn’t have ten games anywhere, and he might not have catcher eligibility.  If you want to know everything you need to know about Yahoo fantasy, Google “Schwarber catcher eligibility.”  You get a Yahoo representative telling people Schwarber will have catcher eligibility and, two weeks later, someone else from Yahoo says he won’t have catcher eligibility.  For a major company, their fantasy product is run like this, “Is Schwarber a catcher in 2017?”  Guy who barely knows anything about baseball but knows a lot about programming, “Yeah, I put it in the system that he’s a catcher.”  But the other scenario that is possible is the same guy says, “Nah, Willson Converse (sic) is the Cubs catcher.”  You think I’m joking.  2017 Projections: 81/26/90/.248/5 in 488 ABs

3. Jonathan Lucroy – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Posey.  I call this tier, “The old guard.”  Lucroy and Posey are going different ways.  It’s a small sample size — that’s what she said! — but Lucroy hit more fly balls last year and pulled a ton of them.  It’s almost like he channeled Public Enemy and sung, “I’m a catcher so my plate is your home, but welcome to the Homerdome!”  It’s hard to say his changes last year are here to stay, but what’s not hard to know is last year was the ceiling and it wasn’t a top 75 overall fantasy year, so let the catcher get wicked (on someone else’s team).  2017 Projections: 71/19/82/.283/5 in 480 ABs

4. Buster Posey – It’s fair to point out that I haven’t written the top 100 yet, but I’m not sure Posey is going to make it.  If I had to guess, I’d say he will, but only the tail end, which is the wrong side for a guy named Posey.  Hey now!  It’s always fun when a guy wouldn’t have to change his name if he were to start a porn career.  Buster Posey would work just fine.  Last year, his homers went from 19 to 14 and that had a lot to do with his ground balls getting wonky terrible.  That doesn’t always come back for some guys, so I’m kinda between a rock and a place where Posey’s now a 15-homer guy with a .280 average (hit enough ground balls and some will get caught).  Either way, I wouldn’t draft a catcher yet.  2017 Projections: 78/16/86/.291/4 in 515 ABs

5. Willson Contreras – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Grandal.  I call this tier, “Your least favorite word is moist, my least favorite is catcher.”  This tier will likely entice a few of you, but I implore you to lay off of these schmohawks.  This is the trickiest tier, because a lot of people understand punting the first tiers, but, by this point, they start to consider drafting a catcher, and it is just a total waste.  Here’s you, “Meh, is Khris Davis really that good?  I think I’m gonna take Contreras.”  That pains me to read even if it’s just a hypothetical you.  Okay, I guess I’m only hypothetically upset.  And for those of you that want to say, “If you don’t want to draft Contreras and will draft, say, Tom Murphy, then why not rank them in that order?”  Murphy shouldn’t be drafted until these other schmohawks are off the board, and if he is, then whatevs and you take a different catcher even later.  None of these guys are going to stay on your team, so why waste a top 200 pick on one.  As for Contreras, if he wasn’t on the Cubs, you wouldn’t even know who he was.  Cust kayin’.  2017 Projections: 62/16/74/.267/4 in 451 ABs

6. Salvador Perez – This guy is like the Adam Eaton of catchers.  He’s enticing because he plays more than anyone else, but, because he plays every day, his value per game goes way down.  Would you prefer Evan Gattis who gets 20 homers in 110 games or Perez who gets 22 homers in 145 games?  Why did you answer bologna?  That wasn’t an option.  2017 Projections: 55/22/73/.256/1 in 535 ABs

7. Russell Martin – One small note about this tier.  It’s a lot more attractive in a two-catcher league where you’d like to get one boring guy that is locked in as the starting catcher and should accumulate decent counting stats.  J. Russell Coltrane Dizzy Simone Dean Martin has made his living in that ‘boring, but useful everyday catcher’ role.  2017 Projections:  68/20/78/.235/4 in 465 ABs

8. J.T. Realmuto – Not to single out Realmuto, but he’s everything wrong with everyday catchers.  Okay, that kinda was singling him out.  Last year, he was the 5th best catcher.  His stats:  60/11/48/.303/12 in 509 ABs.  Should call him J.T. Adameato.  I’m sorry, a 10/10 guy doesn’t excite me at any position unless it’s coming with 120 runs, 60 RBIs and a .320 average.  None of which Just Tropical Realmuto will be doing.  2017 Projections:  54/10/57/.281/11 in 451 ABs

9. Yasmani Grandal – Last year, OBPWulf had 27 homers and that’s just the beginning!  *sees stats*  And that’s the end too!  Well, at least OBPWulf’s blurb is shorter to read than Beowulf.  2017 Projections: 57/20/69/.240/2 in 423 ABs

10. Brian McCann – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Ramos.  I call this tier, “Stop holding your junk and start drafting some junk.”  If the tier name wasn’t obvious enough, at this point in drafts, I’m drafting.  Here’s what I said this offseason, “Traded to the Astros.  The Yankees are your newly-divorced dad.  They broke it off with their old bittie, and now are trying to get themselves a squeeze that is half their age.  Whether that marriage was to A-Rod or Te(i)x, McCann was the stepchild that had to go too.  “Sorry, Brian, but as your stepdaddy, I’d like to say I never really loved you, but tried to make it work when I was in that backwards AF marriage.  I’ve cancelled your credit card, and good luck.”  That’s the Yankees saying goodbye to McCann.”  And that’s me quoting me!  2017 Projections:  66/19/75/.237/1 in 418 ABs

11. Evan Gattis – Yes, there’s some platoon shituations with this tier.  As I alluded to in the Perez blurb, does it really matter with a catcher?  So, you get a few less runs and RBIs, you also get 75 less at-bats of a bleh batting average.  Gattis, or as he likes to be called El Osso Buco, may be on the outside of an everyday playing job, but I still veal like Osso Buco can shank out 20 HRs from April ’til marrow.  2017 Projections:  39/20/56/.255/2 in 369 ABs

12. Matt Wieters – You should not confuse “Draft this tier” with “I’m especially impressed with this tier.”  I never said I liked this tier.  In a 12-team, mixed, one-catcher league, everyone drafts one catcher (unless you’re in a league with some total jackasses), so this is the edge of draftable.  To compare apples and oranges, think of drafting Wieters as comparable to drafting Fernando Rodney.  I’m saying to draft a catcher now, I’m not saying, “Yay, these guys are awesome.”  Wieters is so unawesome, no one even wanted to sign him this offseason.  It got to the point at the Winter Meetings where Wieters was working the valet stand just to get face-time with the GMs.  Also, if Wieters is pegged to DH at some point this offseason, don’t fall into a Catch-162 situation.  UPDATE:  Wieters signed with the Nationals, moving approximately 38 minutes south.  Though, Waze says I can make the drive in 34 minutes if I cross through Hamsterdam and do 75 MPH on the I-95 shoulder.  Thanks for the directions, Waze!  I looked to see how much Wieters DH’d last year to gauge how much he might sit this year, but he didn’t play much DH at all (seven starts).  The pitching and parks will be a little tougher, but Wieters should be good for the occasional homer and not much else.  2017 Projections:  45/18/54/.249/1 in 407 ABs

13. Cameron Rupp – There were some positive gains last year for Rupp, and maybe, just maybe he’s on the *pinkie to mouth* Rupp swing!  C’mon, high five the crap out of me!  C’mon!  No?  Okay.  Rupp hit 16 homers in only 105 games last year and he’s a big guy in a good homer park.  Hey, when you’re looking for an interesting catcher, do you really need more?  2017 Projections:  40/19/58/.241/1 in 412 ABs

14. Derek Norris – Here’s what I said this offseason, “(Norris) acquired by the Nats.  The NL East got its second d’Arnaud catcher, only this one spells his name, Der-No.”  And that’s me quoting me!  UPDATE:  With Wieters’ signing, Norris will become the highest-priced backup catcher (on the Nats; I honestly don’t know his salary or what other backup catchers are getting).  UPDATE II:  Signed with the Rays, which essentially moves his value back to where it was when he first signed with the Nats, only without the good lineup around him.  This will also put Norris in mortal danger, because he’s now replacing Psycho Killer, Curt Casali.  2017 Projections: 48/15/51/.237/6 in 458 ABs

15. Travis d’Arnaud – He’s been battling injuries forever.  Last year, it was a shoulder injury.  Speaking of shoulders, doesn’t the beginning of his last name look like someone putting their hand under their armpit?  Hmm, maybe it’s just me.  He had a .218 ISO in 2015, that would’ve been on par with Hanley and Justin Turner this past year.  So, worth the flyer for power, but wouldn’t expect a ton.  2017 Projections:  41/14/48/.259/1 in 404 ABs

16. Stephen Vogt –  He’s currently penciled in the two-hole.  I don’t believe that will stay that way all season, but since there’s so little downside with catchers, I could see grabbing Vogt on the chance he stays there.  More than likely, something will happen to delegitimize Vogt, maybe Russian hackers.  2017 Projections: 57/14/44/.255 in 415 ABs

17. Andrew Susac –  Right now, he’s the everyday catcher for the Brewers, has 20-homer power and could have a .350+ OBP!  What’s not to love?!  Well, he hasn’t played much in the majors and he’ll be 27 in March.  However (save us, However, save us!), he did have Posey in front of him up until the move to Milwaukee.  I can talk myself into Susac being a 20+ homer guy with a decent average, but I can also see how he sits a bunch for Jett Bandy and Susac becomes Suckass.  2017 Projections: 38/16/51/.251 in 375 ABs

18. Welington Castillo – Here’s what I said this offseason, “Signed with the Orioles.  Every year, boeuf Welington looks like he could break out, but either teams don’t play him or he gets injured.  Seems like Welington has gotten a raw deal.  So, does that make him carpaccio?  Hopefully, he doesn’t lose too many at-bats to Caleb Joseph and his Amazing Shittycolor Dreamcoat.”  And that’s me quoting me!  2017 Projections:  38/16/59/.239/1 in 390 ABs

19. Wilson Ramos – Here’s what I said this offseason, “Signed with the Rays.  Ramos is recovering from an ACL tore, the 2nd one he’s endured.  That’s one injury stamp card you probably don’t want to fill up as a catcher.  I couldn’t see a concrete timetable — where’s Stonehenge when you need it? — for Ramos’ return, but I’d guess June.”  And that’s me copying and pasting me!  2017 Projections:  31/13/41/.274 in 305 ABs

20. Yadier Molina – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Leon.  I call this tier, “Will get at-bats, and make you wish they weren’t.”  Again, in two-catcher leagues, getting at-bats from your catcher is important, and I’d move this tier above the previous tier in those leagues, but in most redraft leagues, these guys are going to be on and off waivers about twelve hundred times in the course of the year*.  *Twelve hundred is a rough estimate.  As for Yadier, there’s always a strong contingency of people who like Molina more than they should, and he gets drafted in a lot of leagues where he shouldn’t.  Let’s call these people ‘Cards fans’ or ‘people who confuse real baseball with fantasy.’  2017 Projections: 53/7/57/.288/3 in 490 ABs

21. Sandy Leon – You kinda need to rank catchers to appreciate this, but I want to rank every catcher 15th overall and be done with it.  The 15th catcher being the last catcher drafted in most 12 team leagues.  (Figure Schwarber’s drafted as an OF, and some schmohawk gets goofy with themselves and drafts two catchers.)  Is Leon all that different than Vogt?  Yes, technically, he is.  Vogt has more power, will get better counting stats, will see some DH at-bats, but would I drop Vogt by mid-April for Leon, if Leon is hot?  Yes, hence they’re basically the same.  Same goes really for two-thirds of this post.  As for Sandy, if he has a .390+ BABIP again, he’s gonna be great!  2017 Projections:  58/6/55/.255/1 in 398 ABs

22. Devin Mesoraco – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Flowers.  I call this tier, “So, you’re in a deep, two catcher league?”  Tier name is pretty straightforward.  There’s some upside with this tier and they’re worth drafting in two-catcher leagues, but there’s also huge downside.  And, in Mesoraco’s case, there’s a frontside that looks like a backside.  If you were to tell me Mesoraco will start 120 games in 2017, I’d say, “Draft him as long as ‘Handsome’ isn’t a category in your league.”  Will Mesoraco, or as I like to call him Uncle Fester, start 120 games?  I’d take the under on 80 games.  2017 Projections:  41/15/55/.245/1 in 365 ABs

23. Austin Hedges – Is there any truth to the rumor that Austin Hedges’ full name is Austin Hedges Menthol Lights?   Asking for my dead grandmother.  Apparently, Hedges is the starting Padres catcher, and he had 21 homers in Triple-A (PCL) with a .326 average.  The Padres should really consider not having their minor leaguers play in a Coors-like atmosphere only to promote them to a rather sobering environment.  2017 Projections:  32/15/46/.226/1 in 402 ABs

24. James McCann – This guy is also sometimes called, “Crap, a giant bug was on my computer screen and all I could see was his last name.  Can we pause the draft and let me re-pick?” 2017 Projections:  42/14/56/.251 in 424 ABs

25. Jett Bandy – This guy is A) Friend of Crash Bandicoot who had a spinoff video game called, Jett Bandy’s Wild Ride.  B) The Monkees’ manager. C) There’s no C. D) No one really knows who Jett Bandy is.  E) The Brewers’ backup catcher.  F) A Yakuza boss who owns a sneaker shop in Roppongi.  G) All the above.  H) Could have surprising power in Miller Park if he plays.  I bet you’re picking G, but I’m highly suspicious of you picking ‘All of the Above’ prior to reading all the choices.  2017 Projections:  25/13/31/.243/2 in 289 ABs

26. Mike Zunino – You don’t necessarily want Zunino playing every day, unless to balance his average on your fantasy team, you also have 2004 Ichiro, 1994 Tony Gwynn and 1924 Rogers Hornsby.  2017 Projections: 37/17/49/.204/1 in 391 ABs

27. Chris Iannetta – Signed this offseason by the Diamondbacks.  Iannetta replaced Herrmann as the starting catcher, which is sort of a whatever move, until you see Herrmann had real promise and Iannetta couldn’t even get a promise ring from the Promise Keepers.  2017 Projections:  41/10/44/.217/1 in 371 ABs

28. Yan Gomes – Fun fact!  GOMES stands for Guron, Ontario, Michigan, Erie and Superior.  Four Great Lakes and one lake that someone’s forgotten the name of.  So, was a bit of a lost season for Gomes last year.  *sees his career*  Okay, so his big 2014 season might be the outlier.  Gotcha.  Loud and clear.  2017 Projections:  45/13/49/.237 in 389 ABs

29. Tom Murphy – I already gave you my Tom Murphy fantasy.  I wrote it while thinking, “How is there no ‘downtime’ with this procedure? It’s all downtime, isn’t it?”  As for the playing time for Murphy, Wolters is currently penciled in as the starter, but Wolters is a 3-homer, .240 hitter IN COORS (caps for emphasis, not due to sticky keys).  If the Rockies don’t make the right move and go with Murphy, then sigh and you drop him.  At catcher, it’s worth the flyer.  This, after all, will be around 225 overall in the rankings.  UPDATE:  Murphy fractured his forearm, which means he has 2/4arm?  There should be some kind of law about something always going wrong for Murphy.  Not sure what we’d call that law.  Rockies said he’ll be out for four to six weeks, but a fractured forearm sounds like it would take at least two months.  2017 Projections: 22/10/38/.241/1 in 225 ABs

30. Tyler Flowers – He’s like the NL version of Zunino.  April-owning Flowers, leaves one with May-hoping-for-batting-average-streamer showers.  <–Totally a saying!  2017 Projections:  31/15/47/.227 in 381 ABs

31. Jason Castro – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until the end of the list.  I call this tier, “A Scuba instructor waving his hand, motioning to go back up, you’re too deep.”  This offseason Castro signed with the Twins.  Castro is reliable; he hit 11 HRs and .211 in 2015, and 11 HRs and .210 in 2016.  The preceding is an example of how the adjective reliable isn’t always a positive.  2017 Projections:  37/10/41/.221/2 in 367 ABs

32. Curt Casali – It’s the Psycho Killer!  Curt Casali! Fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better catchers out there.  Run run run run run run run away.  2017 Projections:  29/12/34/.222 in 298 ABs

33. Geovany Soto – The White Sox are gonna be so fun to watch this year (for Cubs fans who are a bunch of haters).  2017 Projections:  32/10/46/.223 in 304 ABs

34. Francisco Cervelli – He had one homer last year, but it was only in 101 games.  If he catches a 162 games this year and one of those games goes into 435 extra innings, I could see Cervelli putting together a ten homer season.  2017 Projections: 42/3/39/.259/5 in 364 ABs

35. Tony Wolters –  In 71 games last year, he had 3 homers.  That breaks down to roughly one homer every time Kanye says something not related to Kanye.  2017 Projections:  32/5/37/.266/5 in 305 ABs

36. Chris Herrmann – Doesn’t this guy sound like a baseball version of Pat?  Clock’s ticking on Chris Herrmann…Like in a biological way?  Or maybe Chris can wait until 60 to start a family?  Chris, would you say you’re more like your mother or father?  A perfect combination of both, huh?  Sigh…. It’s Chris Herrmann!  2017 Projections:  21/6/31/.224/3 in 276 ABs

37. Bruce Maxwell – If you think drafting Maxwell is a good idea, I say Get Smart.  2017 Projections: 26/7/38/.243 in 347 ABs

38. Omar Narvaez – Fun fact!  When Omar showed up in The Wire, the hood rats would get “Narvaez.”  2017 Projections:  27/3/32/.271/2 in 289 ABs

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New Dad - Same Fantasy Passion
New Dad - Same Fantasy Passion
5 years ago

Big believer in your stance on catchers and Lucroy finishing at 77 is evidence.

Having picked up Gary Sanchez last year and riding him to close out the yea it seemed like he was the best player in baseball. What was is avg player rank during the time he was up? Felt like he was close to top 25.

Thank you for these posts and starting a serious baseball conversation earlier than most. I’m pushing for winter meeting for my league, but in the absence this helps with the winter blues.

M
M
5 years ago

Grey-happy birthday! Hope you are having a good day,

Do you like Chris Devenski of the Astros as a deep league sleeper if he wins a rotation spot in ST?

gigorilla
gigorilla
5 years ago

Grey — just checkin in from the very temperate Midwest.

My interest is the Astros with McCann and Gattis. They are setting the team up like a mini-me Cubs……little finger on my lip.

If Gattis strokes in the spring/early season, who’s playing time is most affected? C, DH, OF or what?

Thanks as always for the creativity.

gigorilla
gigorilla
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

I can see that also, but I perhaps hope for a more seasoned Gattis, pressed for playing time, that emerges as a can’t sit player, at least for 500+ abs.

I don’t have a good take on their manager’s tendencies like Cubs Maddon. Thoughts?

gigorilla
gigorilla
Reply to  gigorilla
5 years ago

As my wife (young cougs) would say — Catchers, ehh

gigorilla
gigorilla
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

Grey — just wondering, is that a current pic of you?

If so, I am surprised you do not have a CSI show centered around you. Surely your acting talents are at least as good as your writing…..

gigorilla
gigorilla
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

your stache for sure.
I always liked the credits with Shin Lo playing Too Latte.
The new remake is/was really bad.

Did you see The Accountant? Interesting.

gigorilla
gigorilla
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

Interesting thoughts on gov’t testing on autism/mental control — think Bourne.

Like the Patriots management of their players……

Super Bowl #?

gigorilla
gigorilla
Reply to  gigorilla
5 years ago

10-4

Like me and the NBA

gigorilla
gigorilla
Reply to  gigorilla
5 years ago

Over and out Iceman

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo
Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: i used to think your avatar looked nothing like you (like in rudy’s case), but after one of those nick videos it actually does.

M
M
Reply to  gigorilla
5 years ago

@gigorilla: there was a Sports Illustrated article years back that did predict a Cubs/Stros 2017 World Series lol

Geoff
Ralph Lifshitz
5 years ago

I’d bitch about the hall of fame, but then I remembered no one but me cares.

Rupp’s interesting, he had the highest exit velocity in baseball last season. I’m not sure if that actually means he’s going to hit homers or just a lot of really hard outs.

Geoff
Ralph Lifshitz
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Let all of them in, it’s a museum! Asterisk the numbers, but it’s not like the guys they played against weren’t juicing. Hank Aaron is the home run king in my eyes, but that doesn’t mean Barry Bonds isn’t a hall of famer. Not voting in Vlad is bullshit.

I wish I didn’t care.

What’s your take on exit velocity though? I dont think we’ve had this conversation.

M
M
Reply to  Ralph Lifshitz
5 years ago

@Ralph Lifshitz: I’m a fan of sabermetrics but I think exit velo is a superfluous way of saying a guy hits the ball hard consistently lol

Geoff
Ralph Lifshitz
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: I agree, it definitely means something but I’m not sure what yet. It’s not what many think it is on face value; a measure of home run power.

As you said it’s more indicative of good contact, and how well they read pitches. Though based on the top 25, I’m guessing it’s very heavily in favor of great fastball hitters (Saltlamachia is in there). Which would make sense, but that’s simply a hypothesis.

Geoff
Ralph Lifshitz
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@SheriffMcRawDawg I know you’re kidding but why even vote for Tek or Wake? Just give your vote to someone who respects it.

On another note why does everyone fellate Edgar Martinez? Yet Sheffield and Walker get under 25% of the vote? Sheffield had 500 home runs, 250 steals, 1600/1600 runs rbis, and his career k% was 10% 3 points lower than his 13% career Bb%. Walker’s ahead of Martinez in my book too. His .313/.400/.565 slashline is equal to Martinez’s .312/.418/.515 and more homers, runs, RBI’s and steals in less plate appearances. What sense does that make?

Martinez gets 58% of the vote and probably gets in within 2-3 years. Yet, Walker and Sheffield get 24% and 13%. Makes zero sense!

SheriffMcRawDawg
SheriffMcRawDawg
Reply to  Ralph Lifshitz
5 years ago

@Ralph Lifshitz: apparently carrying the the C on your jersey for 6 years and being a leader of men doesn’t get you to the hall new stat for you sabermetricians: smDh

SheriffMcRawDawg
SheriffMcRawDawg
Reply to  Ralph Lifshitz
5 years ago

@Ralph Lifshitz: I feel like some of the douchey voters somehow get me caring each time through. In other news it’s a fkng travesty wake and Tek didn’t get in first try

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

At this point I think I may just draft LoDuca instead for the name inspiring puns.

The Big Yabu
The Big Yabu
5 years ago

5×5 roto dynasty league, all players kept indefinitely (no waivers, just draft 3 times per year to replace dropped players) —
I give up Miggy, Pedroia, and Quintana
I get Odor and Kenley (plus a draft-pick; not super-valuable)

Miggy is somewhat expendable to me, since I also have Rizzo at 1B and other options for DH. Quintana was in and out of my lineup based on matchups, so somewhat expendable too. But still wondering if I’m getting enough value in return. Thoughts?

Also: How do I get one of those little pictures next to my name? Need to show off the FCL belt!

SheriffMcRawDawg
SheriffMcRawDawg
5 years ago

who will be this year’s God amongst Men and update the All Holy WarRoom wenst it is time!?!

Jesse
Jesse
5 years ago

Does anyone here think Y.Grandal deserved a MVP vote last year? I was reading another baseball website that I won’t mention by name (sneeze* ,FANGRAPHS*, cough*) and I thought it was a joke but they were serious. Said his pitch framing added another 2.5 wins to his WAR.

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo
Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo
Reply to  Jesse
5 years ago

@Jesse: his total WAR wouldn’t i’m sure touch the other top WAR guys even with that 2.5

TBS
TBS
5 years ago

Grey! Great work as yoush!

One suggestion if it wouldn’t be too much trouble is to put in last years stat line before your projections. I know I’d certainly appreciate it a lot since reading your site is about all the time I have for research other than the occasional fangraphs look….

2 double daiquiris on me either way brother!

SheriffMcRawDawg
SheriffMcRawDawg
5 years ago

It deeply, deeply hurt me to keep James McCann in REL2. Would rather have kept an injured bullpen arm, but I can’t slot that a C… yet

Clint
Clint
5 years ago

Aside from waiting for the top 400 to come out, is there any easy way within these positional rankings to assign round and/or dollar value to the players you rank, Grey? I thought the master draft tool Rudy puts everything into may do that for us too but maybe I’m wrong.

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo
Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo
Reply to  Clint
5 years ago

@Clint: rudy’s player rater kicks up in middle to late feb.

Steve
Steve
5 years ago

Happy birthday Grey!

Keep 9, last 2 are:

Dahl
Benintendi
Sanchez

Who’s odd man out?

Second question, do you still believe in Stanton? Worth a Round 1 keeper?

Thanks

Curious George Springer
Curious George Springer
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: I was sure you’d say Dahl. I think this is the first time you didn’t pick Dahl. I’m curious. Don’t you love Dahl?

jason bourne
jason bourne
5 years ago

Happy B-Day, Grey! I just started reading and am catching up. Get it catching up. I read the top five catchers whom to care about and couldn’t believe you made it all the way down to Bruce Maxwell. He’s prolly a trustworthy streamer pick up somewhere in the season.

YC
YC
5 years ago

Hey Grey- in a 12 team, 2 catcher, keep forever league, whom do you prefer between Gary Sanchez and Wil Myers?

Thanks

Daddy Longstrokes
Daddy Longstrokes
5 years ago

How do the rankings change in a Points league? Posey as #1 obviously?

But is it enough to put him in top 50?

10 team league with 100 max transactions.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
5 years ago

Way to be above the Vogt, 2-hole, and shit joke. I’m both impressed and saddened.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Ahhhh….Pujols. I should have known better.

Big Odio
Big Odio
5 years ago

I imagine ralph throwing you a birthday Haymaker for your ranking of Murphy. I one the other hand will drive by your house and honk until you appear at the window to throw you a finger while I drive away. Btw. Got any new spots/old spots to eat in the east hollyweed/los feliz area. Will be out there today

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: something asian..I may even drive to the ramen spot you took me too. Depends what time I get out of the doctors. Baby’s mama broke her wrist on sunday night so I have no idea how long this will take. She’s seeing an orthopedic hand specialist.

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: more like she lost her place and I helped her find her place….kidding! The only woman I would batter is you..I know it’s so good there. What’s it called again?

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: yes! Gotta get the egg!

Big Odio
Big Odio
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: chupa mis huevos to be exact…wait we don’t have a railing. It’s a single story .

Geoff
Reply to  Big Odio
5 years ago

@Big Odio: No, seems reasonable. He’s not technically the starter. Then again I read this week’s ago…..:) JOKING!

Charles
Charles
5 years ago

ESPN is catching up to your Catcher strategy magic. Posey at 72, everyone else 100+. Looks like I’ll be squatting on Martin (ESPN 228) and Murphy (ESPN 265). So many good SPs and RPs to take in the middle rounds.

The JoGarza
The JoGarza
5 years ago

Happy birthday, Grey. Who’d you piss off that for your day you had to revel in catchers?

ChiCitySox
ChiCitySox
5 years ago

I really want you to be low on Schwarber BA. 30 hrs and .265 sounds nice. Especially in my ESPN league where he will only have OF eligibility to start the year.

Joey
Joey
5 years ago

Hey grey I’m in a 12 team dynasty league keep 20 with a redraft 15 rounds so 35 rosters. It’s a head to head 7×7. I was offered my Jose de Leon and first overall pick for Danny Salazar. No idea what’s gonna be at the one yet so I’m trying to give him my 6th overall instead. What do you think about both deals. Rest of my starters consist of sale carrasco Teheran desclafani Velasquez and a couple decent prospects. I could use the extra arm but am a firm believer in de Leon. Thank you

Joey
Joey
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: he wants the first overall but I feel more comfortable at the 6 overall. If you say even the first overall and Deleon is good then I’ll do it

Joey
Joey
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: it’s not set in stone who will be available just yet but there are normally top prospects and good players. Last year mazara Bergman story were taken in the first round. Yesterday I traded archer and sano for odor. What do you think of that also. Saw your rankings and made the move for odor

Joey
Joey
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: well mazara and others in particular won’t be but guys that could be this years mazara Bregman etc. more than likely will be in the first round

Joey
Joey
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: yeah It is. thank you for the help as always and happy birthday

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo
Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: he’s talking dynasty, so only players available will be those in FA and anybody signed/drafted in real life MLB would be my guess (senzel/ray/lewis/maitan/the young gurriel at least/lazarito etc)

Packers
Packers
5 years ago

Happy birthday! I play in 2 catcher leagues. There is no doubt that Posey, Lucroy and Sanchez will be drafted while I’m drafting a top tier MI, or my 2nd outfielder.
I’ll try to get one of the “junk” catchers or two of them.
Have a great day.

Burningbridges247
Burningbridges247
5 years ago

So much truth in that Gary Sanchez ranking, and I am SO glad most people utterly ignore it. Having the “top” catcher go for anywhere from $15-$25 in my league while I buy a guy who might be the starter and work the waiver. There is always, ALWAYS a catcher that comes out of nowhere and surprises everyone- you just have to pick him up. Great write up as always, Grey. Daiquiri incoming.

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Reply to  Burningbridges247
5 years ago

@Burningbridges247: Couldn’t agree more. Case and point: Sanchez was a waiver guy until he came up last year. This year, what’s to say that $1-$3 guy, Tom Murphy, doesn’t win the job and post numbers similar to Sanchez or Schwarber this year?

Burningbridges247
Burningbridges247
Reply to  Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
5 years ago

@Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: Spot on, Duda. Guy in my league picked him up for $1 off the waiver, and now he gets to keep him for $5, while the guy who spent mega-$$$$ on Posey throws him back…..and probably does the same thing this year.

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
5 years ago

How many Schmo’s do you see bragging after their draft that they drafted Sanchez and Schwarber? (in the 5th and 7th rounds, no doubt)

What do you think about Swihart this year? I honestly have no idea what his situation is, but I remember him being fairly interesting (particularly if his draft stock is so low).

Thanks!

LarryA
LarryA
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Can we still consider Swihart as something? Like is he a better keeper than most catching prospects (hedges, alfaro, etc)

LarryA
LarryA
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: I just remember him being high on many prospect lists 2-3 years ago. #17 in 2004. I dont think hes a bust yet, but has everyone given up on him already after 1/2 season?

Joe Shmoe
Joe Shmoe
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: This shmoe got them in the 4th and 6th rounds… so there!

Happy Birthday Mr. Grey!

Mobin Can't Hack It
Mobin Can't Hack It
Reply to  LarryA
5 years ago

@LarryA: swihart played LF last year, probably will do so again if he’s in majors.

Jason Eldred
Jason Eldred
5 years ago

I was surprised to see All Avila didn’t make it. He’s a stud. Haha thanks for the post!

Hometown Heroes
Hometown Heroes
5 years ago

Thank goodness the rankings are coming out! In my 12 team AL only keeper league would you trade Victor Martinez($20) and Ken Giles($18) and Barreto($1) for Verlander($16). Thanks again!

Branta
Branta
5 years ago

Do you think Sanchez is worth a keeper slot if that slot is determined by where his ADP is this year due to the fact that he was a FA pickup and not drafted?

CMUTimmah
CMUTimmah
Reply to  Branta
5 years ago

@Branta: Depends on your other options and how many you keep. But I don’t think that eliminates him. Grey is talking standard league drafts… and saying that he devalues the catch position because playing time evens things out more than other positions, which is true. Why take a guy that plays like a top 100 player for 120 games when you can get a top 100 player for 145 games? But, if you’re getting Sanchez in the 25th round because of your rules, he’s an option. Just depends if he’s a better option than others (say Trea Turner was drafted in the late rounds, he’s a better option to keep)

Matty
Matty
5 years ago

Oh man.
Here I was hoping that my one dollar catchers (Avila and Suzuki) in a deep two catcher dynasty would project to be tolerable enough to make the top 35 and be keepable, but, alas, I’ll be shopping through this trash heap come draft day.
Thanks as always.

NCPhilly
NCPhilly
5 years ago

His agent, er – producer, wants Posey to change his name to Busty Poser.

Chris
Chris
5 years ago

Hello Gray,

Morning!!!

in a 12th Team mix, keeper league, which 3 players would you keep (because of trades from last year, I don’t have round 2 and 3):

Arenado
Encarnacion
Starlin Marte
Nelson Cruz
Yu Darvish
Arrieta

I’m considering keeping a SP since, I dont have rd 2 and 3.

Thanks for your thoughts.

regards,
Chris

Copperhead Road
Copperhead Road
5 years ago

Oh, and Happy Birthday…

Copperhead Road
Copperhead Road
5 years ago

Thank God this ranking post is over. Bring on the First Baggers!!

Robert
Robert
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: Not so loud, more Sotto Voce… if you will

MikeY
MikeY
5 years ago

Schwarber will be OF only on Yahoo & ESPN.

If players don’t have 5 starts/10 games (Yahoo) or 10 starts/20 games (ESPN) at any position, they go by the position he played the most during the previous year.

Schwarber played 2 games as LF in 2016 and nothing else in the regular season (playoff don’t count), so he’s OF only.

No telling how long until he gets C eligibility because they still have Montero & Contreras.

CMUTimmah
CMUTimmah
Reply to  MikeY
5 years ago

@MikeY: Schwarber will likely have C next to his name by late May for Yahoo, assuming he plays a game a week at C (with the exception of interleague play). Montero may be moved at some point in spring training as teams figure out their plan for C isn’t working out.

Schwarber still has some value at OF… so he’s a lottery ticket for C. I’m probably not paying the price for it though.

MikeY
MikeY
Reply to  CMUTimmah
5 years ago

@CMUTimmah: Right. I’m not saying he won’t get it, but he won’t have it for the start of the season. Actually, with ESPN’s eligibility requirements, he might not get it on there.

Tim
Tim
5 years ago

Grey- love the rankings. Here’s my keeper predicament:

Must:
Lester (1)
Sale(2)
Bumgarner (3)
Mookie (13)
Turner (18)

Then I have to pick 1 of either Edwin (4) or Sanchez (11). Sanchez seems like the guy to go with given the value, but he’s also a big regression candidate and reliable power bats like Edwin are hard to find. Which do you keep?

Troy
Troy
5 years ago

Is it crazy or crazy like a fox for me to keep Sanchez $3 and Schwarber $6 in a standard one catcher league with just 3 keepers? They seem to be the best value options I have.

CMUTimmah
CMUTimmah
Reply to  Troy
5 years ago

@Troy: Yikes… no. Keep 3? Your first three draft picks would be Sanchez, Schwarber, and X. Even if X is a triple crown winner this year, you’re in trouble.

MikeY
MikeY
Reply to  CMUTimmah
5 years ago

@CMUTimmah: It seems to be an auction league since he listed dollar values, so he wouldn’t have draft picks and could get other decent players.

I’d definitely think about it. Those guys are easily going to get bought for way more than those prices..

Troy
Troy
Reply to  MikeY
5 years ago

@MikeY: yes it’s an auction league. I figure even at OSchwaber is value $6. But I could always trade him if/when he gains C eligibility

FANTHEAD
Reply to  Troy
5 years ago

@Troy: If you truly have no others of value to hold onto at such compelling salaries, I actually like the idea of building a team around two cheap longshot catchers. 1. It automatically gives you a unique strategy and, at least, you won’t have to fret about catchers in the draft or overpay for them if there’s a run (if anything your action might cause a run!). 2. And even if the two young catchers bust you haven’t busted your bank. 3. And what Goethe said: “Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid.”

Curious George Springer
Curious George Springer
Reply to  Troy
5 years ago

@Troy: obviously depends a lot on what your other options are, but I’d likely throw Schwarber back and let others pay an inflated price for him.

Troy
Troy
Reply to  Curious George Springer
5 years ago

@Curious George Springer:

I was thinking that but at $6, I could keep him and trade him for someone more valuable.

Curious George Springer
Curious George Springer
Reply to  Troy
5 years ago

@Troy: Can you trade him now? Right now you have leverage because other league mates know you have the option to throw him back, so they have a potential windfall. after the draft they’ll know you need to move him.

Troy
Troy
Reply to  Curious George Springer
5 years ago

@Curious George Springer: I could try and move him now, but there’s not much engagement in the off season. We have a UTL spot and Schwarber will still be a top 30 OF, so I could use him there until he gains C eligibility then swap him for a more valuable player.

DisEnFranchised
DisEnFranchised
Reply to  Troy
5 years ago

@Troy: Well without knowing your other options it’s a little hard to say for sure; but Sanchez at $3 is a good value. if you figure Schwarber as a solid OF3, then it seems good to me.

jack florida
jack florida
5 years ago

happy birthday

Tigres
Tigres
5 years ago

On the one hand, these catchers are awful. On the other hand, “Rupp swing” is comedy gold! I will remember that one this summer when I’m camping on the shores Lake Guron.

David
David
5 years ago

5×5 14 team yahoo with OBP replacing AVG. 2000 pitching innings limit. Which 3 should I keep?

Goldschmidt Round 1
Polanco, Belt Round 5
Kluber Round 7
C.Davis, Salazar, H. Perez Round 15

Thanks

Curious George Springer
Curious George Springer
Reply to  David
5 years ago

@David: Goldy, Kluber, Chris Davis (because it is OBP; LY in a bad season, Davis was 85th in OBP and 144th in AVG). Maybe I’d go Polanco if you don’t have a corner slot. Davis only played 3 games in the OF last year, so he shouldn’t be eligible in OF anywhere.

Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey
Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey
5 years ago

alright, so
– in 12’s where 1 or 2 draft backups hope for murphy in competitive league (which ain’t coming unless he starts year in minors), end up with wieters or rupp. or end up with vogt/susac. if vogt is hitting in 2 hole i’m huge on starting year with him (assuming it’s possible to draft him in the middle 300’s.
– in 12’s with deep benches (effectively 14 teamers) where 4-5 idiots draft backups get susac probably everywhere, hopefully at around pick 320 or so.
– in 16’s and up punt completely and end up with susac (or zunino like last year)
leon/gattis/molina/ramos (stashed)/mccann (old one) and beef will go too high from “name value” or that people remember them being good at one point.
susac appears to be like last year’s hundley and previous to that year’s (i think) mesoraco.

The Theory
The Theory
5 years ago

god, I say this every year, but what a cesspool.

SwaggerJackers
SwaggerJackers
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: It’s debatable. Nick Hundley was in the top 10 last year along with Darno and Devin Mess (of a face) raco

SwaggerJackers
SwaggerJackers
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: It’s liberating to basically cross the position off the list during the draft and grab whatever pile of garbage is left at the end.

I’ve embraced your approach and it saves the hassle of actually researching catchers. I’m guessing I’ll end up with someone like Rupp and will begin scab picking after a few weeks.

Flowers misses his old glasses... he's ok tho
Flowers misses his old glasses... he's ok tho
5 years ago

nobody that’s ever dealt with yahoo gonna yahoo thinks you are joking.

Mobin Can't Hack It
Mobin Can't Hack It
5 years ago

anybody want to take bets on the chances ramos gets 220 at bats this year and ends up ranked even 25th? wondering what kind of odds i should lay.

Mobin Can't Hack It
Mobin Can't Hack It
Reply to  Grey
5 years ago

@Grey: so i’d be getting the 3-1 saying he won’t get 220 at bats AND at least end season as 25th overall catcher or better, as i’d think most people would say he would do those. i’d certainly take 3-1 on my claim.

Member Berries
Member Berries
5 years ago

Happy Birthday, Mr Fantasy Master Lothario

Thanks for making me a lazier yet more insightful fantasy master. Work smarter not harder, right? May your mustache grow to magnificent lengths

Time to trade Gattis – I tell you, the white man cant get no breaks