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One quick note, our War Room guy from last year has dropped out, so if you guys (maybe four girls) want a War Room this year, someone needs to step up to make it happen.  I will take ready, willing and abled-bodied people in the comments.  Oh, who are we kidding, no one here is able-bodied!  I’ll take anyone, just comment and I’ll contact you.  This is for the downloadable Excel War Room.  Any hoo!  With the top 80 starters for 2017 fantasy baseball, we are so close to the end of the rankings I can almost taste it!  Wait, that’s not rankings I taste, I bit my lip and it’s blood.  I wonder if when Dracula bites his lip it’s like when Cougs goes out with her friends and I’m left at home while Emmanuelle is on Cinemax.  You might say to yourself, “Self, everyone is totally fooled by my toupee and do I really need to draft starters this deep in my friendly 12-team mixed league?”  You don’t, except you will own guys from this post this year either from the draft or from waivers or your leaguemates will own them and beat you.  Last year, in the tier of pitchers I liked in the top 80 starters was Aaron Sanchez (pitcher, not chef), Rich Hill (pitcher, not sniglets) and Tanner Roark (pitcher, not Tattoo’s boss).  If you owned just them, you had a 2.74 ERA in 512 1/3 IP.  You really still think you need starters drafted early?  You throw in two earlier starters, say, Kluber and Gausman, and you have way too much pitching now.  I’ll go over exactly how to draft starters in a few days, but there are so many ways to skin a cat we should have PETA breathing down our necks.  All the 2017 fantasy baseball rankings are there.  My tiers and projections are noted.  Anyway, here’s the top 80 starters for 2017 fantasy baseball:

61. Gio Gonzalez – This tier started in the top 60 starters for 2017 fantasy baseball.  This tier ends at Garcia.  I called this tier, “The Board.”  In years past, most of the guys in this tier would’ve found themselves in a ‘boring, but reliable’ tier.  A tier that I would’ve recommended you draft if your rotation was high on upside and risk.  But, let’s face it, these guys aren’t safe and/or reliable.  Gio’s had moments in the past, but he had a 4.57 ERA last year, and he lost two miles on his fastball.  Maybe Gio can put it back together, but he looks broken down and I’m gonna start calling him Yugo Gonzalez, because a Gio is too reliable for him.  2017 Projections:  10-10/3.87/1.35/166 in 175 IP

62. Marco Estrada – Honestly, I don’t know what’s coming or going with Estrada.  Last year, Estrada’s Ks — Ponch-outs? — went up but his command — C.H.I.P.S.? — went down with his fastball velocity.  If you can tell me what Estrada’s going to do this year, I believe you know, but I don’t trust you.  Sorry, we can still be Facebook friends, since I don’t like most of my FB friends anyway.  2017 Projections:  10-12/3.91/1.21/150 in 175 IP

63. Jaime Garcia – Here’s what I said this offseason, “Braves traded for him.  Braves have been active this offseason, huh?  Already signed Colon and Dickey, which I said sounded like an after-shower spray Lorenzo Lamas would endorse.  Well, now they’ve added a guy that sounds like what Lamas says into the mirror, “Jaime.”  And that’s me quoting me!  2017 Projections:  8-11/3.88/1.28/125 in 150 IP

64. Jeremy Hellickson – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Moore.  I call this tier, “Dollar Store condoms.”  By this tier name I mean, these guys are a mix of sorta safe, sorta cheap and worth a flyer.  “Wow, I’ve seen lambskin condoms before, but I never knew they made hedgehog skin condoms.”  That’s you going through the Dollar Store condom assortment.  As for Hellickson, I picture him being one of those guys that you draft in the last rounds, don’t really want, drop to waivers, then re-pick up and end up holding him for most of the year because he keeps putting up respectable starts.  Or he’s flat-out terrible.  Hey, we’re late in rankings here.  To give you an idea, we’re likely around 225 overall.  2017 Projections:  10-12/3.83/1.18/150 in 185 IP

65. Jerad Eickhoff – “All these hedgehog condom wrappers are broken.  That’s not a good sign, is it?”  I might be underrating Eickhoff with this ranking.  Last year, he had a 7.6 K/9 and 1.9 BB/9, which is more of a three than a five, which this tier is, but Finkle…Eickhoff!  Eickhoff…Finkle!  Finkle…Eickhoff!  Just okay stuff…This ranking!  2017 Projections:  11-11/3.77/1.19/158 in 190 IP

66. Lance Lynn –  “Honey, to give me an idea of what it will be like owning Lynn, I wanna try one of these hedgehog skin condoms.  Hey, this one is prickly.  That might be fun, right?”  Lynn is returning from Tommy John surgery and says he will be ready to go for the start of the season.  There’s at least a 25% chance that in April he says he’ll be ready to start by May.  Worst case scenario, you DL him until he returns.  2017 Projections:  9-5/3.65/1.31/109 in 120 IP

67. Chris Tillman – “You were right about the hedgehog condoms, they were a bad idea.  But they don’t have lambskin, so I got these new condoms…Snakeskin!”  Tillman sorta epitomizes this tier.  He has a tad bit of upside but will likely be a ~3.75 ERA guy, unless he’s not.  2017 Projections:  12-11/3.81/1.32/151 in 192 IP

68. Ivan Nova – “Fine!  Fine!  The snakeskin condoms were a bad idea too.  I’ll grant you that.  They shedded at the worst times.  But I think these new ones might be up your alley, skunk skin!  What?  It’s multifunctional with its female hygiene spray included.”  Based on very little actual math and mostly gut, Nova feels like he could be one of those guys that breaks out and ends up a top 20 starter out of nowhere.  When you have a 1.6 BB/9, it could go a long way towards a lucky BABIP turning into a 2.75 ERA.   2017 Projections:  9-10/3.67/1.23/134 in 175 IP

69. Robert Gsellman – There’s a Puerto Rican Sphinx in Queens, NY and its question:  Judo how the Mets can have a good starter for fantasy?  The answer is obvious, but so many people are blinded by the resemblance of the Queens Sphinx to Rosie Perez that they never answer, they just respond, “Judo?”  Never realizing it’s how the Puerto Rican Sphinx says ‘You know.’  The answer, of course, is the Mets can have a good starter in fantasy if they haven’t had a chance to wear the starter down the season before.  I imagine we’ll see Gsellman by May for Wheeler, if not sooner, but then he’ll likely get bumped for Wheeler in June, then he’ll bump Wheeler in July, and lose the spot again on August 2nd.  What, my Magic Eight Ball is very precise.  UPDATE:  The Mets said Gsellman will start the year in the rotation now that Wheeler has a sore elbow.  Great news for Gsellman in the short term, but, of course, this means the Mets are going to overuse him and he’ll be garbage next year, and not the good garbage that you can turn into post-modern art.  2017 Projections:  9-4/3.71/1.34/121 in 131 IP

70. Alex Cobb – “Yes, chameleon skin condoms were a mistake, but these jellyfish skin condoms were 50% off!  Baby?  Where are you going?”  So, if I could muster enthusiasm for Lynn, it’s only right we give Cobb one more chance too.  He did, after all, return last year and throw major league innings.  Okay, they weren’t great innings, but he’s pretty far removed from surgery and he once was a top 20 starter.  Definitely worth a flyer.  2017 Projections:  10-10/3.91/1.27/111 in 132 IP

71. Matt Moore – “You were right, jellyfish skin condoms were a bad call.  Man, were you right.  But you know what they say is the best way to get rid of the stinging, right?  Okay, so drink more water.”  Moore had a 3.16 ERA in AT&T, and, well, that’s all I got, but that’s a lot compared to some guys in this tier.  2017 Projections:  10-7/3.77/1.29/137 in 146 IP

72. Mike Montgomery – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until the top 100 starters for 2017 fantasy baseball.  I call this tier, “Grey’s upside your head.”  This is the last guy on your team in most mixed leagues.  That high-upside flyer that you may or may not still have on your team by mid-April.  I love all of these guys, but they are obviously risky and they may not even make it out of spring training with a rotation job.  As for Montgomery, best case scenario for him is a Joe Ross-type year.  Okay, who’s playing that damn music?  Worst case scenario, Montgomery runs over your dog, sleeps with your girlfriend and finishes your 18-year-old Fudgie the Whale Carvel ice cream cake you were saving in your freezer for your 30th birthday.  “I was saving the spout!”  That’s you screaming at the heavens.  Most realistic scenario, Montgomery is a decent third fantasy starter for fifteen starts, bouncing to the bullpen to let Brett Anderson start when he’s healthy.  2017 Projections:  7-4/3.42/1.21/111 in 124 IP

73. Julio Urias – I have artificial intelligence, and my silicone brain really likes these guys.  Sadly, my soft-to-the-touch brain, also knows they all have problems.  On a different team, Urias is a top 40 starter getting thirty starts.  On the Dodgers, he has a better chance of winning a staring contest.  You just know he’s going to juggle starts with Brandon McCarthy, Ryu, Brock Stewart, Stripling, Alex Wood and Jerry Reuss.  2017 Projections:  9-3/3.41/1.34/110 in 103 IP

74. Blake Snell – Already gave you my Blake Snell sleeper.  I typed it up with my elbows.  2017 Projections:  9-12/3.63/1.37/181 in 160 IP

75. Alex Reyes – Already gave you my Alex Reyes fantasy.  It put the whoa in “Whoa, awesome.”  UPDATE:  Reyes sounds headed for Tommy John surgery, so I wouldn’t draft him anywhere.  2017 Projections:  9-7/3.89/1.37/132 in 120 IP

76. Mike Foltynewicz – Occasionally, I’ll cheat with these rankings.  Guys I want to rank much higher, like Faultynewwirewitz, I concede to rank much lower knowing they are still way above where anyone else is going to rank them.  I love Faultytowerswitz and know that I can get him this late, even though he could easily be ranked about thirty spots higher.  Last year, he took the next step and no one even realizes it.  He has 8+ K/9 stuff, easily.  His 95 MPH fastball might even get him to 9+ K/9.  The one thing that always held him back was his command, and last year his command was 2.6 BB/9, which isn’t a problem at all.  As a 25-year-old, Foltynedalywitz should get a sleeper post, but may have to settle for just being well liked in the last tier of starters of the top 80.  2017 Projections: 9-9/3.81/1.27/160 in 174 IP

77. Daniel Norris – All the guys in this tier should get a sleeper post, and maybe I can corral some of our other writers to write them, since my time is monopolized with tending to my Chia Pet garden.  I should’ve never took on the J. Lo Chia, there’s just too much feathering of the leafs.  Speaking of J. Lo (Terrible Segue Alert!), I had a wart on my hand that I wanted to burn off, so I went to the dermatologist, and in the waiting room, there were dozens of articles about J. Lo going to see my same doctor.  *blows knuckle where wart used to be*  Yeah, I share a dermatologist with J. Lo, so whatever, don’t sweat me and my well-hydrated pores.  Any hoo!  The only thing stopping Norris from being a huge breakout is his lack of track record.  Next year, he could be a top 30 starter.  2017 Projections:  7-9/3.75/1.35/110 in 115 IP

78. Michael Wacha – You know what’s crazy?  Jackie Evancho is not a Native American remake of Jackie Brown.  You know what’s crazy and on-topic?  Wacha, due to unfortunate luck, may no longer be a starter.  Sure, he has trouble staying healthy, but I bet if he had neutral luck last year and a 3.95 ERA, he wouldn’t be in danger of losing his rotation spot.  Well, he is now facing that, and, if he’s not good in the spring, I could see him opening the season as a long reliever, and staying there, and this is the longest sentence in the history of sentences; God bless Siri, if you’re having her read this aloud.  Even if Wacha gets the rotation role, between him, Luke Weaver, Reyes and Lynn, they may all share three rotation spots.  Likely will be a very fluid situation like the reason you own rubber bedsheets.  2017 Projections:  8-8/3.79/1.18/129 in 155 IP

79. Adam Conley – I felt Conley and Tom Koehler were forever linked like hot dogs and mustard, Bangles and walking Egyptians, and Gavin Floyd and John Danks, but Conley’s pulled slightly away.  Conley took a step forward last year, upping his K/9 to 8.4.  Of course, his walk rate was a mess, but he did have a 2.8 BB/9 the previous year, so if he can somehow put his 2016 K-rate with his 2015 walk rate, there could be a breakout here.  It’s not going to be quite that easy, since he made slight adjustments to his windup last year, which helped his Ks and hurt his command.  Still, one year more with this tweaked windup and he could break out.  Definitely worth a flyer.  2017 Projections:  9-10/3.74/1.35/154 in 165 IP

80. Tyler Skaggs –  This year people will be drafting Zack Wheeler as he returns from Tommy John surgery, and I might myself, but watch Wheeler be a mess still, while a guy like Skaggs, who is two years removed from TJ, is much further along and becomes the example we use for where Wheeler will be next year.  It’s time he rocked with people yelling, ‘You’re such a boss, Skaggs!’  2017 Projections:  9-11/3.81/1.36/141 in 138 IP

   
  1. LenFuego says:
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    Hi Grey,

    Enjoying your rankings!

    Last year was my first year in fantasy baseball (after over a quarter century doing football) – I joined a 12 team 5×5 two catcher auction league with up to 7 regular keepers and up to 5 “developmental” players that never appeared in your starting lineup (max keep time for all keepers = 5 years, after 2nd year if you want 2 more yrs salary raises by $5, 3 more yrs by $10).

    The team I took over was devoid of any keeper talent, so last season was a rebuilding year. I have the following players, all coming off their 1st year:

    Jonny Villar $1
    Jose Ramirez $5
    Nomar Mazara $1
    Jorge Soler $2
    Logan Forsythe $1
    Marcus Semien $2
    Kyle Seager $17

    Aaron Sanchez $5
    Vince Velaquez $1
    James Paxton $5

    (I am keeping B. Zimmer, J. Alfaro, M. Margot, R. Devers and Jose De Leon as developmental keepers)

    I intend to keep Villar, Ramirez, Mazara, Soler, Sanchez, Velasquez and Paxton. Disagree?

      • Robert says:
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        @Grey: That sounds like the results of someone who is really excited about a sunrise.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Sounds like nocturnal emission

      • LenFuego says:
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        @Grey: Thanks, Grey, I appreciate the feedback.

        Let me make my case for Soler over Semien and see if you still prefer Semien:

        Where you set yourself up for success in this league is getting guys at low salaries that end up far exceeding their 3 year contract extension value so you get a lot of excess value for a long time. As $2 players, my 3 year contract extension value for both Soler and Semien will be $12 next year.

        Soler seems to me more likely than Semien to break out beyond that $12 value level.

        Soler is 2 years younger (24 vs. 26), is rated by scouts to have superior tools (e.g., 70 power), actually had a higher HR rate than Semien last year (5.3% of at-bats vs. 4.7%), and with the trade to KC, he should get a chance to play every day, at a productive spot in the batting order, and may even get a chance to steal a few bases (he had 17 SBs in 155 minor league games).

        I also think it is worth noting that Soler has had only 1239 ABs in his entire five-year professional career, and less than 200 of those were at the AA or AAA level. There is good reason to believe he can develop further.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Semien was a top 15 SS last year already, is only 26 and had 27 HRs and 10 SBs last year… You’re overthinking it… You’re hoping a guy who has never done something gets to a level where a player is already doing it

          • LenFuego says:
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            @Grey: Thanks. Not the first time I have been accused of overthinking things, heh.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Ha, no problem

  2. TheMuppetManiac says:
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    I’m in a 12 team H2H keeper league. Standard scoring. We get to keep six. I’m having a hard time picking.

    Jose Altuve
    Francisco Lindor
    Wil Myers
    Khris Davis
    Matt Kemp
    Alex Bregman
    Jose Bautista
    Maikel Franco
    Jake Arrieta
    Kyle Hendricks
    Gerrit Cole
    Danny Duffy
    Danny Salazar

    I was thinking of keeping Altuve, Lindor, Franco, Myers, Davis and Arrieta (who I would try to trade)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @TheMuppetManiac: Altuve, Lindor, Franco, Myers and Arrieta… Then wild card… I’d go Bregman

  3. Mat Gillette says:
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    I’ll give it a go if you’ve still got an opening

  4. henncoop says:
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    Oh happy day …part quatro? Maybe not so happy …seems like more dark clouds then sunshine here. But if anyone can pick the 2 or 3 gems out of this group or the last 20 plus (we know there will be at least 110 in the top 100) it is you Grey.
    Obviously back at work & having another good night …as it should be. Thanks for my nightly read …most entertaining …dollar store condoms …yeah that works for this group.

  5. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!

    Great post, intriguing picks for sure!! But you’d you have to be one dollar-store condom short of a 24-pack of condoms to draft more than 2 of these guys! Risky business!

    a. Getting to the bottom of the barrel here! But sometimes what’s left at the bottom of the barrel is the part that makes the taste of whiskey the best, right?

    b. From this group I’m going to love Nova, Kazmir, Urias and Folty. If any or all are available near the end of the draft, will go for it.

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ante GALIC: Agreed… A. I don’t know, actually, is that true? B. Nova! Hopefully! Urias! Maybe! Folty! Possibly!

      • Ante GALIC says:
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        @Grey: Grey!

        a. Haha!! Have no idea so…

        …..http://www.eater.com/drinks/2015/8/13/9113965/whiskey-guide

        With this excerpt

        QUOTE [By definition, bourbon must be aged in new charred American oak barrels. Even most whiskey novices grasp that whether or not a barrel is charred impacts a spirit’s flavor. In this case, the charring process is what enables the vanillin compounds within the wood to provide bourbon’s signature vanilla and caramel sweetness. There’s a range of chars available though, numbered to denote distinct stages. Wild Turkey, for instance, is one of many producers who uses the deepest char, #4, which yields a characteristic “alligator char,” the inside of the barrel reminiscent of an alligator’s scaly skin. Barrels may also be toasted to different levels, generally using dry heat as opposed to open flame, separate from or in addition to the charring, imparting still different qualities. The Brown-Forman Cooperage utilizes a proprietary toasting system based upon radiant heat.] END QUOTE.

        So, yeah! The bottom of the barrel is important in the taste of good whiskey AND fantasy baseball! Who’d a thunk it?

        b. Folty towers! Loved that show.

        Cheers,
        Ante

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Hunh, interesting… I am pretty clueless on dark liquors… Ministry of Silly Walks!

          • Ante GALIC says:
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            @Grey: Grey!

            Yep, me 2. Totally clueless although my uncle says that 12-year single-malt scotches are the best. Have no idea. If you gave me a shot of a 5$, 12$ and 1200$ dollar bottle of whiskey I don’t think I’d be able to tell the difference.

            Cheers,
            Ante

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, same… I have no interest in trying to figure it out either… I wouldn’t mind learning the difference in, say, wines, but whiskeys do nothing for me

  6. fuzzy slippers says:
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    Grey, first time commenter over here from jersey. Awesome write ups from you and your crew. Thank you Master Lothario
    Question on who to keep
    12 team keeper league – have to keep 5
    yelich, Polanco, myers , villar, buxton, bumgarner carrasco

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @fuzzy slippers: Jersey! Whereabouts? Throw back Yelich, Buxton

  7. Tim says:
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    Grey- which combo do you like better in a 12 tm H2H Points Keeper:
    Goldschmidt/Sale or Rizzo/Bumgarner?

    • Curious George Springer says:
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      @Tim: Rizzo

    • Goldirocks says:
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      @Tim:
      Goldy by alot

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Tim: Goldy

  8. Rudy says:
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    @ Ante, I agree totally

  9. M says:
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    Nova is definitely an NL-type pitcher, wonder if Searage can work his magic on him (and maybe even Hutchinson to an extent).

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @M: He already seemed to do that

      • swaggerjackers says:
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        @Grey: Agreed. He was putting together some nice numbers in the second half.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yup

  10. Test Kitchen says:
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    Grey,

    I might be able to help with the War Room

    Let me know what needs to happen

    • peacecoast says:
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      @Test Kitchen: omg pls I need me some War Room! I can’t realistically go into my draft without that thing!

      • Stock says:
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        I AGREE…but I prefer the online version instead of the spreadsheet.. for the online version..and yes I would pay

        • Hot Rod

          Jimmy Bond says:
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          @Stock: at some point in the future it might make sense to have it be a shared Google Doc or something like that (so online but spreadsheet form), but there is too much conditional formatting in the current excel version I use to just copy-paste over from excel

  11. Chocolate Chip Pancakes says:
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    If you have to start the season with three of the twenty pitchers listed above, who do you roll with?

    • Gigorilla says:
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      Lynn, Kazmir, Moore

  12. Cuthbert Allgood says:
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    Contract/Keeper league and I am entering the next season with the following SPs: Matz, Urias, and Wainwright (hoping for a pulse). Given this uncertainty, I am planning on taking a SP with my first pick. For reference, I am also coming back with Hosmer, Belt, Machado, Stanton, Harper, Russell, and Baez also some schmuck named Heyward.
    While Sale, Lester, or Price may be available, which of the following would you draft considering his cost and then put a 3-4 year contract on:
    C. Martinez @ $14
    J. deGrom @$10,
    G. Cole @ $7
    D. Duffy @ $11
    J. Arrieta @ $9.

    Thanks.

  13. Jason says:
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    Morning!

    Off topic with this post but from what I’ve read it sounds like draft strategy for 1st 3 rds would be get a top 3rd basemen 1st rd (kb arenado machado donaldson), 2nd rd SS (Correa story lindor boegarts seager) and 3rd Rd snag 1b Freeman desmond maybe an edwin. But with 1b do shallow Would you rather have:

    Arenado Correa Freeman (I’ve been getting these every mock I do at 4th overall in 10 and 12 team)

    OR

    Goldi Correa K. Seager

    Cheers!

      • Jason says:
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        @Grey:

        Thanks! Much appreciated as always

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  14. Cheese says:
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    I’m very capable in excel, I basically live in a spreadsheet. Let me know if you still require assistance with the War Room.

      • Cheese says:
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        @Grey: Grey, if you commit to me, I’ll commit to you. I don’t want to work on it if others are as well, but if you give me the go ahead then I’m game.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Looks like Jimmy Bond (commented below) already has a jump on starting it, maybe you could email him and see if he needs any help?

  15. FrankGrimes says:
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    So close to my 2 favorite pre season posts!
    1) Pitcher pairings (formerly known as APPLES)
    2) The most entertaining convoluted greyest one of them all
    the famous hitters pairings.

  16. Swfcdan says:
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    Just been reading your SP rankings, its greyt that Grey likes Jon Gray! I mean I guess you couldn’t not with that sexy name! But his stuff is pretty much ace level so its about time some no Ubaldo-pitching human beat Coors. Good job throwing your neck on the line with this one, I did the same trading J Bell for Gray in a keeper league.

  17. Cram It says:
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    You know I’m a proponent of the “Don’t pay for pitching” company line. But Kluber, Gausman and a few guys from the top 80 is not a staff I’d be confident with. I struggle with reconciling how to draft a good rotation. In my experience, the two guys at the top aren’t enough to carry you when the other arms don’t turn out to be a Rich Hill or Aaron Sanchez.

    In theory, it’s the way to go but the application of it is very risky.

    • Brian says:
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      These guys aren’t that risky because if they’re bad, they’ll be dropped after a few starts. I think the #2 and #3 starters are riskier because if they are bad, you still start them until June. Francisco Liriano killed a couple of my pitching staffs that way last year.

      • Cram It says:
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        @Brian: Good point and that’s true. But then I find I’m stuck streaming at least 3 positions in May until I find keepers to eat innings. I think you need at least 3 reliable guys heading in. One good guy and a Gausman-type who I’m probably streaming to begin with in that division doesn’t make me feel warm and fuzzy.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Gausman is only 26, coming off a 3.61 ERA season and throws 95, you might want to embrace him

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Cram It: Doesn’t this have a lot to do with you just not liking Gausman?

      • Cram It says:
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        @Grey: Haha. Ok that might have something to do with it. If you said Hamels or Cole, I’d get behind that.

        I’m not embracing him. I watch him pitch a lot, living in Baltimore. His fastball is straight as an arrow, and he doesn’t have great command. His Whip is too high for me and he’s in Camden. I want to like him, I just don’t see a major step forward this year.

        That said, I don’t disagree with your 13 wings, 3.50/.1.25 projection. But that’s a #2 to you?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, that’s a #2… I don’t love Camden and his division either, but he looks on the verge… Speaking of AL East, Pineda will prolly give me a headache all year too

          • Cram It says:
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            @Grey: Okay, I feel like if your team totals are 3.50/1.25 you’re in the bottom half. I don’t know how one #1 SP can offset that with 3 other pitchers predicted worse than that.

            I don’t want to own Pineda. I try to stay away from erratic unpredictable guys. Give me Aaron Nola’s and Cole Hamels’ all day.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              3.50 is what I’d expect, but you’re hoping for more… If you used Gausman right last year, you likely had a 3.30 ERA… I.e., his Fenway ERA was near-5, and over 7 in Toronto… You prolly benched him for those starts

              • Cram It says:
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                @Grey: And you’re probably benching him for those starts again this year. I want my #2 to be an every outing guy and not have to hope for more than 3.50/1.25. Fine to do with Gausman, but not for my approach with my #2 starter.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  I will say, I have a tier of safer #2’s in front of him, which you prolly agree with…Gausman tier is a risky #2 tier, more of a #3 tier

                  • Cram It says:
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                    @Grey: I do, and that’s why you do the tiers, which is great, in case people want to go a different route and feel supported in that.

                    I guess my #2’s would end where Gausman starts. You’re getting into the #30 ranks…that’s where I’d start looking at my #3.

                    But can we go back to the 3.50/1.25 thing? If you were told that your #2’s stats would be exactly what you predict for Gausman, you’d be content with that? And then assume that every guy lower than than is progressively worse, even if it’s just a tad. 3.53/1.26/ 182 K’s, etc. That doesn’t seem to equate to good pitching #’s overall. Is my math that bad? (Could be)

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, 3.50+ isn’t good, but it depends on the league… In an RCL, I grabbed Duffy and Roark off waivers for 100+ IP each…Throw in MRs, and one ace (though Archer didn’t help as he should’ve), and your pitching is fine… Gausman as a #2 with upside? It’s risky but in an RCL I think you’ll be fine if you stay on top of waivers and streamers

                    • zombie says:
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                      @Cram It: & Grey. Good shizz, gentlemen. No real insight to add. Just that for some reason, waiting with confidence on starters seems particularly risky this season. Nice to see that that inkling is shared.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, it does feel more so, coming off a huge offensive year definitely fueling that

                    • Cram It says:
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                      @Cram It: I agree in an RCL. There’s more room to maneuver and take advantage of MR’s. I definitely have a harder time strategizing in that format. When I won the whole thing two years ago my pitching numbers were okayyyy. Last year when I finished 2nd, they were not good at all. And I drafted like 7 or 8 SP’s. So I’m still trying to figure out how to attack the RCL pitching strategy.

                      I’ll just draft Gausman to annoy you.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      This might all be a ruse to get you to draft Gausman

                    • Cram It says:
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                      @Cram It: Dirty pool. Just give me the first pick and the rest will be gravy.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      If you get the first pick I’m restarting the draft room

                    • Cram It says:
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                      @Cram It: You have to now. I think that would be hilarious if you did, actually.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Sadly, I wouldn’t even know how

  18. Rock D says:
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    Interested in hearing about junior guerra. Dude was lights out before getting hurt. Too small of a sample? Numbers didn’t jive with results?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Rock D: I’m not a big fan

  19. peacecoast says:
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    hey Grey how did you do last year in the leagues you played in?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @peacecoast: Three 2nds and one terrible, let’s not talk about it

      • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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        @Grey: that’s pretty damn good if only in 4 leagues.

  20. Chris says:
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    Hey Grey!

    I’m having a hard time selecting keepers for this year in a 14 team league H2H.

    I have already chosen Trout and Sale and I need 2 more. Who would you chose between Freeman, Starling Marte, Odor, Gregory Polanco and Carpenter.

    Thanks for you help.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Chris: Marte, Odor

  21. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Really like some guys from this list as my back end of the rotation in 12 teamers.

    Nova seemed primed I have a sneaky 3.3 low whip type season.

    Estrada – done trying to figure him out. He’s done this magic trick for two year, so I’m happy to buy at this price.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, exactly…

  22. Tony_Sal says:
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    Keep 5 :

    Kershaw, F.Hernandez, D.Keuchel, J.Taillon, D.Salazar, M.Stroman, R.Osuna, S Wang Oh, C.Allen

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Kershaw, Salazar, Stroman, Taillon, Osuna

  23. tony says:
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    keeper league, 5 dollar benintendi and 14 dollar polanco for 17 dollar rizzo is a no brainer right?
    What about 10 dollar mondcada for 14 dollar Kluber?
    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Rizzo and Kluber sides

  24. matt says:
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    Love all your work…22 team 5&5 league
    can keep players
    plan on keeping
    Manny
    Trea
    Desmond
    and one of
    Edwin Diaz at 1$
    or
    AJ at 10$
    Thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Pollock?

  25. matt says:
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    sorry….yeah Pollock

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, Pollock

  26. John D says:
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    Thanks for the great early season work,.
    12-team NL only 5×5 keeper so deep starting rosters and decent player inflation. I know neither is too exciting, but as a last keeper – $10 Zach Davies vs. $1 Felipe Rivero.?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Neither… Davies

  27. Disgruntled Dylan Bundy says:
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    A few sites have me cracking the top 60, but I can’t make your top 80, Grey?! What gives? Did I come close?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I bet we see you tomorrow

  28. Hot Rod

    Jimmy Bond says:
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    Grey – I see some other volunteers for the war room which is terrific. You might remember I had my own modified version last year with more conditional formatting and data than the official one (sortable columns for Keeper and JB’s SP rankings, colours, etc). I kept posting links to updated version in the comments, and I think some other Razzball ppl were able to use it for their drafts which is great.

    I had planned to do my own ‘tweaked’ version again this year, but am happy to collaborate on it as an official version instead, perhaps in conjunction with other Razzballers to share the workload? Selfishly it would be less work for me to start from my version and update the data rather than use the official one and then update the formatting afterwards! :) Or at the very least, maybe someone else wants to go to the effort of doing the grunt work inputting names in the war room tiers in excel and I do some formatting and colour magic after that? Connect with me via email if you want to discuss further. Like user Cheese mentions in a comment above, I live daily in spreadsheets and I’d go so far as to say I derive a nerdy pleasure from them, which is why I’ll be doing my own tweaked version for my draft prep anyhow!

    I can’t remember on what page my final version got hosted last year (I think I did post a post-JB rankings ‘Version 4+’ ) but here was the last comment I had hosted on the 2016 war room page, this version was pre-JB rankings. the link to this V3 is still live if you want to have a look.

    “Version 3 of my War Room now available, with some small tweaks and including the J-FOH keeper rankings as sortable columns for hitters and pitchers. I also added K/9 as a sortable item, based on Grey’s projections from the Razz database.
    will update as V4 when JB pitching ranks are out.

    download here, remember to enable editing and enable data connections:
    https://docs.google.com/uc?authuser=0&id=0ByY40Vu3ttWQOGF2WTRycExxX28&export=download

    • Hot Rod

      Jimmy Bond says:
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      @Jimmy Bond: I should add that if you do want to springboard off my version rather than the older one hosted on the War Room page, I have a newer version in Excel locally that I would prefer to use so that it is the latest and greatest. In my folder here I have a Version 5, so that link above is two versions out of date already but is provided for example purposes.

    • Hot Rod

      Jimmy Bond says:
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      @Jimmy Bond: the part that was already done before I got to it each of the last couple years was the data connections and I’m sure I could figure it out but I never had to before since the data was already there, we’d have to get that working for 2017 since my spreadsheet I assume is linking to the 2016 dataset but I never dug deep enough to figure out where it was pulling the stats from.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You got it already, it looks like at least… It’s really hard for me to tell b/c I don’t use it so I don’t know what to look for… Why don’t you collaborate with someone and have this be the official War Room? Can I email you at the email you’ve commented with?

      • Hot Rod

        Jimmy Bond says:
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        @Grey: cool! would be happy to collaborate, we can figure out version control etc. Yes that (this?) address is primary, my backup public email tied to this comments username/pseudonym is [email protected] if for some reason you don’t hear back from me by tonight on the other one. Please include what you are looking at for a tentative editorial deadline/calendar too if you have one in mind, not sure when people all start drafting (ESPN still offline today so we still have some time at least!)

    • peacecoast says:
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      @Jimmy Bond: Jimmy I think I used your version last year and would love to use it again please thanks!

  29. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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    What’s a condom?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Raincoat for penis

      • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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        @Grey: That’s better than the ‘lack of sex’ joke I thought I was getting as a reply.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Condoms stop from your noisewater getting where it shouldn’t

          • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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            @Grey: My buddy James Westfall knows all about the Octagon.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Oh, wow, I had no idea where your username came from… Honestly, not a clue, just thought it was a funny name

              • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                @Grey: HA! Yeah, I needed a quick pseudonym. Didn’t know at the time I’d be drawn toward the light of a frequent commenter.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Ha! It’s like the kid who gets nicknamed in kindergarten and can’t shake it

                  • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                    @Grey: All my bros call me “Skidz”

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Wee Wee Pants, for me

                • nick the dick says:
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                  @Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Suprised Grey didn’t get your name reference…same thing with me though, hastily just made my name nick the dick years ago for no real reason. Nobody has ever called me that. I don’t like it. Don’t much care for the movie Bachelor Party. Just threw it in there and i’m in way too deep to ever change now.

                  • Grey

                    Grey says:
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                    Haha

                    • nick the dick says:
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                      @Grey: I didn’t even capitalize my name! If I could reverse the hands of time…

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I think your name works deceptively well like Noisewater… Like subconsciously you didn’t even realize how much it fits… Kinda like JFOH is always JFOH no matter what he tries to do

                    • nick the dick says:
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                      @Grey: when you’re right, you’re right. Really tho, what is this Odio shit? You’re fuckin Foh, be that.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Odio makes sense in way… He thinks he’s clever so he does shizz no one gets and is too obstinate to change

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      That would just be Mr. Kennick Dickwater III

                  • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                    @nick the dick: I thought you were just one of those crazy, non-capitalizing mofos!

                    If it makes you feel any better, just think about my name being Paul Rudd’s right testicle.

                  • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                    @nick the dick: And I still like Kennick Dickwater. I just laughed typing it.

                    • nick the dick says:
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                      @Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: I imagine you smelling like real bits of panther…HA Kennick Dickwater is the funniest! We should just both change our names to that so Grey doesn’t know which of us is commenting

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Shouldn’t it be Dr.?

                    • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                      Mr. Kennick Dickwater III

                      I’ll talk about cooking shows like Rachel Ray and The Chew, and you talk about sneakers like KEDS and Sketchers. He’ll never know.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Those two conversations are going to be dead giveaways

  30. Matt says:
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    Hey grey 12 teams 20 keepers dynasty league. I need your opinion. We do a 7×7 head to head format. Runs homeruns rbis average obp xbh steals for hitting and wins losses saves era whip quality starts and strikeouts.

    This is my roster what’s your opinion.

    C. Jt Realmuto
    1b. Freddie Freeman
    2b. Jose Altuve
    3b. Nolan Arenado
    SS. Carlos Correa
    OF. Nomar Mazara
    OF. Jackie Bradley Jr
    OF. Jay Bruce
    utility. Brad Miller
    Utility. Manuel Margot

    Sp. Aaron Nola
    Sp. Collin Mchugh
    Sp. Jeff Samardizja
    Sp. Trevor Bauer
    Sp. Tyson Ross
    Rp. Kelvin Herrera

    I have 4 extra draft picks in the mid rounds of the draft.
    Obviously I need pitching but what do you think I can accomplish this season.

    Thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I don’t like your pitching, but you know that from my rankings

      • Matt says:
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        Yeah I don’t like it either but do you think my hitting will mask that?

        • Matt says:
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          @Matt:

          also what if I traded mazara for josh bell and Jose Quintana

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Do the trade if you can

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Not unless they can pitch… I like your hitting, but your pitching is a mess

  31. CMUTimmah says:
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    Alex Reyes, Alex Cobb, Blake Snell… I like them all more than you.

    Especially Reyes. Day one starter, loads of upside, and I’ll be owning him everywhere if 79th pitcher is anything close to his draft day price.

    Urias is a 2018 target for me. Much like Ariana Grande, I think he needs another year or two of seasoning before I’m interested.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      How is Reyes in the rotation? Who’s out?

      • CMUTimmah says:
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        @Grey: Wacha, IMO. I know that’s not a consensus opinion, but I don’t see how a potential star can take a back seat to a guy that has continuously gotten worse over the last 3 seasons. I could see Wacha getting moved during spring training also.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I think Wacha starts the year in the rotation, Reyes is up soon to take over, but they also have Weaver

          • Sweatpants Nation says:
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            @Grey: Both Reyes and Weaver will be on innings limits so unless there is a spring injury I don’t see either in the rotation all year. Probably start i n bullpen or eve extended spring training.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              No argument here

  32. peacecoast says:
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    g,

    so tomorrow we finish pitchers right? then when can we expect that awesome pitching draft strategy article? and then when overall rankings? and finally when war room?

    thx

    p.s. r u doing any pro leagues this year?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Pitcher pairings won’t be until next week… Top 100 SPs, Top 100 overall, top 500

      Yeah, I’m doing pro leagues this year

  33. Griff says:
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    Notice that several rankings are not giving much love to Daniel Norris. Had a strong finish and was once highly touted, so what gives? Have him in dynastt…Is it time to turn the page on him?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He’s in the same tier as Montgomery, just not this post

  34. Montezuma's Revenge...right now says:
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    i hate lynn (he’s simply awful as an athlete, pretty much a pitcher version of bitch tits fatt adams), the last time he played late in 2015 he hurt himself twice in the same game 1. coming up the stairs of the dugout to start the game, and later 2. twisted his ankle executing a pitch, but he actually was pitching multi innings in september last year and if STL was slightly more stupid (say dusty baker or the Mess) could’ve been used in a playoff bullpen, so he’s not “just back” from TJ. my guess is he’s way more likely to be ineffective than miss any time till maybe may-june. this isn’t me arguing for him to be ranked higher though.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Gotcha

  35. Slimcompoop says:
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    What’s going on BIFF? It’s been too long, but with my fantasy basketball team in second to last place, I figured it was time to delete my bookmark on JB’s basketball page and come back to baseball. So much to talk about, I don’t know where to begin…Run the Jewels (yea or nay)?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yea, yea, yea… how goes it man?

      • Slimcompoop says:
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        @Grey: Oh it goes good…teaching, coaching hoops, continuing to make the best old skool hip-hop station on Pandora, reloading my fantasy baseball team, etc. Can’t complain besides the obvious, but this isn’t a political blog. More importantly, how are you doing?

        Been getting some time to read your rankings/posts over the last couple of days, as I’m working on day three of snow day cancellations. I feel more prepared than ever and you’re writing is like a fine wine. “The older the berry, the sweeter the juice.” Thank you.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          This berry is sweet too! I’m good, can’t complain, except for the obvious but stick to sports! I went to Key West/Miami for the holidays and Palm Beach for Xmas, which was good except for the obvious stick to sports!

  36. Jim says:
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    HeyHey,

    I am in a 4×4 (yes I am that old)league any of your starters move up significantly with the basic format….any one pitcher you would target? Thanks for the help.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Wow, 4×4, you old dog! I’d devalue pitching more, not move them up

  37. Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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    in a dynasty (20 team h2h max 6 SP) i have archer/darvish/hammel/cobb/urias/wheeler/bradley. who’d you try to trade or drop first out of wheeler/bradley? QS/k per 9/OBPA added.

    • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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      @Aubrey Plaza’s Pillow: just saw that bradley is in minors to start year likely, at least till shelby gets minored again. do have 5 NA slots.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Bradley

  38. birrrdy! says:
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    Grey, I won my league last year because of you. Thanks for all that you do, and enjoy the margaritas!

    Looking to repeat on these schmohawks. 10-team NL-only 5×5 auction keeper. 13 hitters (1C, 5 OFs, 3 U), 10 pitchers. Prices are set by a magazine each year. We get $300 to spend on up to 8 keepers and our auction draft. Which 8 should I keep?

    Hitters:
    1B Freeman-$28; OF Braun-$26; SS/3B Villar-$22; OF CarGo-$22; OF Kemp-$22; 1B Carter-$16; OF Pence-$14; 2B/OF Kendrick-$12; OF D. Santana-$12; 3B/OF Hernan Perez-$9; 2B/SS/3B Gyorko-$8

    Pitchers:
    Lester-$23; Strasburg-$19; deGrom-$13; Gray-$11; McCarthy-$1

    I’m strongly leaning toward the 5 most expensive hitters on this list and the 3 most expensive pitchers. That would be $175 and would give me $125 for the draft with 15 positions to fill. Thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! I concur with the most expensive, not terribly close on the last ones

      • birrrdy! says:
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        @Grey: Thanks! If I could trouble you for one more follow-up, what’s your rank order for who’s next up if one or more of those keepers gets injured? (out of Pence-$14, Gyorko-$8, Gray-$11, McCarthy-$1)?

        Also, did I mess up by trading Syndergaard-$29 and Bumgarner-$26 for Freeman-$28? Felt I had a glut of keepers, and 1B looks really thin this year… especially NL only.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Gray, Pence… You paid a lot for Freeman, but I do like Freeman the most from them

  39. PPMC says:
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    Grey…do you personally do DFS? if no why not? also need a good TV series to start, saw all the bigs ones got any recommendations?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I don’t DFS, we here at Razzball do a daily DFS picks column though…. Watch Line of Duty if you have Hulu

  40. Whatever says:
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    Benintendi for Springer? I feel like an idiot for even asking. Haha.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Springer

  41. JoeG414 says:
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    Springer , Votto, Lindor or Bogaerts ? As my 2nd round , with keepers … about 19th overall pick.
    Keeping Harper as a first round 12th overall.
    6×6 roto

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Springer

      • JoeG414 says:
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        @Grey: Yes , Thanks . The only issue is that I would have to over reach for some like Russell as a SS . around 93rd overall.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Hard for me to say, don’t know your keepers or what you need

  42. Dan says:
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    10 team H2H Dynasty, 15 keepers

    Schwarber
    Myers
    Dee Gordon
    M. Franco
    Bogaerts
    Betts
    Springer
    Dahl
    Buxton
    Judge
    Sano

    Duffy
    Walker
    Stroman
    Taillon
    Paxton
    Bundy
    Rodon

    Which 3 would you drop back?
    Was offered DeGrom for Sano, would you take it?

    Thanks Grey!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d take deGrom…. Judge, Bundy, Rodon

  43. Bill Lumbergh says:
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    @Grey: Do you like either Shelby Miller or Patrick Corbin as last round flyer in a 30 team roto? Thx!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not especially

      • Bill Lumbergh says:
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        @Grey: Gracias!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  44. nightpandas says:
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    Grey,

    keep forever keeper trade (keep 11):

    Donaldson & Andrus vs. Correa

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Correa — Andrus is irrelevant

  45. Dubjay says:
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    Hey guys
    Have to pick my 10 keepers tonight.
    Set with
    ARENADO
    C.SEAGER
    DOZIER
    POLLOCK
    BUMGARNER
    T.FRAZIER
    A.CHAPMAN
    still struggling with the last 3. Have to choose between J.Bautista, B.Buxton, M.Sano, G.Cole, D.Duffy, N.Mazara. Not an easy choice.
    What do you think?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Buxton, Mazara, Duffy, no, not easy choices

  46. M says:
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    Did I miss Julio Teheran’s ranking?

  47. Joe Shmoe says:
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    Hi Mr. Grey,
    Now that Carter is a Yankee, could you guess how many AB’s he would get? Do you think they drop him by mid-season?

    Thank you for your time.

  48. Chicken Shack says:
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    Coach, In a slow draft 15 teamer. SPs are Price, Tanaka, & Lackey. Is Robbie Ray and good dude to pair with this staff? RPs are Kelvin H & not too many K Rod…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I said not to draft Price… Go Kelvin if you need RP

      • Chicken Shack says:
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        @Grey:
        Yeah, he’s from TN/ Vandy and I like him… Already have those 2 RPs and thought Ray would work/ balance with Tanaka and KRod.

  49. Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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    that same dynasty as above:
    20 team h2h dynasty. 25 max keepers. OPS/BB and defensive stuff (putouts, double plays, assists, outfield assists, field %) for hitters and holds, relief wins and losses, pickoffs, double plays, complete games, shutouts, K/9, relief appearances, OBPA, QS. need at least 9 TEX players at all times. 5 NA slots.
    clear keepers:
    C sal perez
    1B
    2B forsythe
    SS andrus
    3B beltre
    LF dahl
    CF blackmon
    RF stanton
    util o.herrera
    BN gallo/profar/choo/mazara

    SP (max 6, min 5) darvish/archer/urias/hammel/cobb/wheeler
    RP (roster spots of 7, legally those need to be filled) giles/jeffress/kela/romo
    other possible keepers vogelbach/brinson/a.bailey

    issue being that vogelbach is only listed as righty side platooner and i’m sure his job isn’t that safe. also legally come season time to have 6 SP (which is optimal) i could only have 3 of those BN hitters. moving odubel for a decent RP seems needed.

    all that being the case would you
    1.would you trade hammel or cobb for belt?
    2. try to get something done for napoli, now at good lineup spot at 1B in TEX.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      1. Nope 2. Yeah

      • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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        @Grey: wow, belt’s fallen that low eh, i thought it was one of those “yeah take it you twit” type questions. it’d be nice if i could move my excess piece for napoli, but he likely costs similar to belt. maybe i could move choo somewhere, and get napoli, hold odubel, that seems most optimal while keeping my minimum 9 TEX players.

        • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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          @Aubrey Plaza’s Pillow: just noticing the CLE owner (napoli owner, and also has c-sant) is somewhat SP weak, would you do the hammel or cobb for him? he isn’t CF weak to need odubel.

  50. DonnieB says:
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    In a 15 team NFBC League, would feel OK with your first 4 SP of deGrom,Maeda,Salazar and McCullers? Would you go safe from here or keep pedal down? I recognize injury risk in 3 of the 4.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I like those guys, but there’s injury risk all of them like you said

  51. Mr Baseball says:
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    This is now the situation for picks inkeep 10 pl;ayers keeper league 16 teams – this is the best in round 11 which is round 1 – who would you want here

    Lewis Brinson Mil – CF

    Danny Duffy KC – SP,RP

    Tanner Roark Was – SP

    Vince Velásquez Phi – SP

    • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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      @Mr Baseball: possibly team based here, can’t be roark though, throw him outta that. also term of keeper could be important, or escalating costs or not.

    • Mr Baseball says:
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      i TOOK Danny Duffy KC – SP,RP

    • Mr Baseball says:
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      i TOOK Danny Duffy KC – SP,RP

    • Mr Baseball says:
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      i TOOK Danny Duffy KC – SP,RP

      • Mr Baseball says:
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        Crazy it did not take on my end sorry man

    • Mr Baseball says:
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      Just Picked took Duffy

    • Mr Baseball says:
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      Just Picked took Duffy

      • Beware the Shit Rope says:
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        @Mr Baseball: for this year that’s def best.

  52. BRIAN ENGLAND says:
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    Hi Grey,

    Enjoying your rankings!

    Got a keeper question. Need to keep 4 in 5 X 5 Roto from this list

    Jose Altuve
    Xander Bogaerts
    Wil Myers
    Todd Frazier
    Kyle Schwarber
    Rick Porcello
    Jose Quintana
    Edwin Diaz
    Julio Teheran
    Wade Davis

    Thanks

  53. Milarky says:
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    Hey Grey, about your ‘wait on pitching’ philosophy. What if you’re in a league that doesn’t really allow for streaming? Our league is quite deep (10 teams, 40 players each team), and allows each owner only one waiver claim per week, and each claim costs $5. So basically we need to make each claim try and count for longer than a week.

    So my question is how would that change your draft strategy with pitchers, if at all? It makes it riskier to trust later round fliers when you can’t just discard them for the hot hand on the wire at any time.

    • Beware the Shit Rope says:
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      @Milarky: you’d most certainly need an actual ace, and in general roll back all pitcher drafting to earlier spots. really 40 players each team by itself would necessitate this.

      • Milarky says:
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        @Beware the Shit Rope: Thanks for the feedback! To give some perspective, each team keeps 4 hitters and 2 pitchers. My keepers are Scherzer/Salazar, and Martinez (JD)/Stanton/Rizzo/Segura (or Frazier). Trying to decide how early to go for my next pitcher – there are some really good ones available early, but normally i don’t take the plunge for the first 2-3 rounds. There are obviously some really good hitters available early as well.

        • Beware the Shit Rope says:
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          @Milarky: take another in the 3rd maybe, depending on how many go before. if few go before make it 4th round

          • Beware the Shit Rope says:
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            @Beware the Shit Rope: important question though, what is average amount of SP owned by each team after draft?

            • Milarky says:
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              @Beware the Shit Rope: Well each team starts 5 SPs + 1 Util (which is usually an SP), but we also carry a total of 9 reserves (any position). I tend to draft approx 3 SPs in my reserves, so if we average that out then anywhere from 85-90 SPs will be gone by the end of the draft.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I don’t know that site, but he’s welcome to use it, would be nice if he gave credit

      • SheriffMcRawDawg says:
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        @Grey: in the middle of launching a DDoS attack on them don’t worry. new thread so I’ll move.

        also what’s DDoS stand for

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha

  54. Girthquake says:
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    Hey Grey,

    I have Collin McHugh and Ian Kennedy, someone in my league just dropped Robbie Ray. Which 2 you taking?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Drop McHugh

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