With the top 80 starters for 2015 fantasy baseball, I will say this, we are having such a gay time!  Gay like Colin Firth would use it.  In an 19th century period drama.  As in merriment.  We are having ourselves a merry old time!  Okay, that’s very gay.  Still the same definition of gay.  Merry.  Merry, merry, quite contrarian of you if you say different!  The starters start to thin out a little when we get to this post — not you, Sabathia! — but there’s still plenty to go around.  You could likely draft starters from only this post and do fine in some leagues.  Think I’m a liar.  Well, I’m offended, but in this post last year was Samardzija, Peralta, Ventura, Quintana and Pineda.  How many of those guys had an ERA over 3.50?  One, Peralta at 3.53.  I just got goose pimples typing that, but I also have the flu so maybe I should drink fluids.  All the 2015 fantasy baseball rankings are there.  My tiers and projections are noted.  Anyway, here’s the top 80 starters for 2015 fantasy baseball:

61. Chris Tillman – This tier started in the top 60 starters for 2015 fantasy baseball.  This tier goes from here until Chen.  I called this tier, “Guys that I don’t like that I end up unintentionally endorsing because others dislike them even more.”   As for Tillman, his fastball velocities the past three years were:  92.4 MPH, 91.6 MPH and 90.7 MPH.  He will be 27 years old in April. With how his velocities are trending, he’ll need to adopt a knuckle ball by the time he’s 30 years old.  When he turns forty, he’ll be in a televised contest pitting his fastball against an 80-year-old man running.  The last three years, Tillman’s made the dwindling velocity and falling K-rate work for him.  Though, it has been with some luck.  Though, Part II:  Another One Of Thoughs, he does induce weak contact, so the the low BABIPs aren’t all good luck.  As with the other guys in this tier, I’d draft Tillman, but I’m not exactly rolling out the red carpet.  After writing that last sentence, why did I start thinking of Joan from Mad Men?  Hmm… 2015 Projections:  12-10/3.70/1.27/155

62. Jason Hammel – This offseason I said, “He returns to the Cubs.  Hammel should be famous in fantasy baseball circles (which for fantasy baseball is more of a circle jerk) because he is the personification of why you shouldn’t draft pitching.  Hammel will be around a 3.60 ERA guy with decent Ks and usable in all leagues, but won’t be drafted in most shallower leagues and not drafted until the end of drafts in deeper leagues.  No one looks at Hammel, yet he’s capable of being as good as any starter you draft after the top 20.  Last year, Hammel had a 2.98 ERA in Chicago, then 4.26 in Oakland (totaling 3.47 ERA in 176 1/3 IP).  His only serious drawback, he’s never pitched more than 176 2/3 IP and he’s already 32 years old.”  And that’s me quoting me!  2015 Projections:  9-11/3.67/1.22/151

63. Anibal Sanchez – This is one exciting tier– What happened?  I fell asleep.  I was thinking about how I wasn’t sure if that was Ron Perlman or Will Ferrell in the Sons of Anarchy and I conked out.  Oh, I’m ranking pitchers, right!  Yeah, Anibal– *snooze*  Shoot, it happened again.  I’m going to toothpick my eyes open like I’m Malcolm McDowell in A Clockwork Orange or like I’m myself watching Malcolm McDowell in Mozart in the Jungle.  Anibal has a 3.53 ERA in 1177 lifetime IP and a 7.93 K/9.  If he matches those numbers, he’s a solid number two.  If he continues to decline and not stay healthy, he’s an okay number three to four.  2015 Projections:  12-7/3.59/1.17/139

64. Wei-Yin Chen – Last year was prolly the best we’re going to get from Chen:  3.54 ERA, 6.6 K/9, 1.7 BB/9 and 16 wins.  That’s a guy that you don’t even hold onto for the better part of the year, so why am I ranking him this high?  This isn’t high.  2015 Projections:  12-10/3.69/1.26/142

65. Tony Cingrani – Cingrani could strike out more than 10 guys per inning as he did in 104 2/3 major league innings in 2013.  That’s right, he’s already had a 10+ K/9 in the majors.  10+ K/9 with an under 3 BB/9 would make him a top 15 starter.  Of course, an under 3 BB/9 seems like a pie in the sky dream.  An Anthony can’t lift a rubber tree plant with his control.  But I got hiiiiiiiigh hopes.  I got… Any hoo!  Cingrani could have a 5+ ERA this year or around a 2.75.  Hard to say, but worth the gamble. UPDATE:  Will be used used as a reliever.  2015 Projections:  9-12/3.87/1.36/158

66. Jesse Hahn – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Hellickson.  I call this tier, “You know they’re sexy, sexy, sexy cos you heard it from hearsay.”  Want a guy that could move into the top 20 starters next year?  Look no further!  That’s a figure of speech.  You need to keep looking because I’m not done yet.  Like most baseball nerds with some extra time on their hands, I started looking through baseball stats for s’s and g’s.  I stumbled on the batting average against for pitchers who had just thrown their 26th pitch and before they threw their 76th pitch.  Innings 2-ish to 5-ish, depending on how well they’re throwing.  Of course, I started with Clayton Kershaw, because if I want to find a solid, under-the-radar pitcher, the best place to go is with the best and then see who is around him.  Kershaw’s BAA (which is batting average against, not Kershaw’s loudmouth sheep) last year was .215.  If only I could find a starter around him that less people knew…I wasn’t looking for the Wainwrights, Cuetos or Sales of the world.  That’s when I stumbled on Hahn.  His BAA from pitches 26-75 is .164.  Something Jim Bakker’s known for many years, Hahn is one hot piece of tail!  Then, as most with time on their hands do, they start cherrypicking why this matters.  A young pitcher may not have his stuff in the first few innings, that’s why Hahn’s BAA in his first 25 pitches of the game is only .267.  Then a young pitcher is going to tire and that’s why he has a .280 BAA in the 76-100 pitches of the game.  By the by, .267 and .280 aren’t hideous.  Also, while cherrypicking all these great stats, I also figured that as Hahn got a year older, his late-game numbers would get better.  I’ve just talked myself into thinking Hahn will be Kershaw in 2015.  Whew, now that that is settled, I’m going to have some Country Time Lemonade, sit on a porch and swing on my bench. 2015 Projections:  9-12/3.58/1.24/137

67. James Paxton – Okay, everyone in this tier could-slash-should have a sleeper post.  It’s the way of the young pitcher to throw fast and Paxton is no joke either.  He can routinely touch 95 MPH too.  You want young pitchers because from the moment they enter the league, their stuff erodes.  Sure, some pitchers figure out how to work better with their pitches, but from pure nastiness, younger is better.  Last year, he had a 7.2 K/9 and 3.5 BB/9, which is a slice of whatevs, but he regularly had a 9+ K/9 in the minors and every year he seems to harness his control a bit more.  I wouldn’t be shocked if this year we see a guy that struggles with inconsistency in the first half, then becomes a number one starter in the 2nd half.  You read it here first!  Unless you read it elsewhere already.  2015 Projections:  10-8/3.49/1.28/158

68. Taijuan Walker – After drafting him in every league last year and going crazy for him in the preseason, I’m probably just falling for the ol’ banana-in-the-tailpipe again.  I can’t help it, I love him.  Taijuanna know why?  Let’s see, 95 MPH fastball, a 2.61 ERA last year in 38 IP when the M’s did finally let him start, a 9+ K/9 in just about every minor league stop.  In some minor league stops, he had a 10+ K/9.  Taijuan will be a top 10 starter at some point.  Unfortch, he’s still only 22 and it might not be until sixteen or seventeen after twenty.  2015 Projections:  10-4/3.15/1.26/112

69. Michael Wacha – C’mon, look at this tier and tell me there aren’t a shizzton of pitchers to draft.  I wanted Wacha in a higher tier, but his shoulder injury last year has me putting him down here and saying I will draft him, but I won’t reach for him.  He had a stress reaction in his shoulder, which often comes from the shoulder wanting to do more but a nagging mother keeps yelling at it and it just get stressed out.  Or at least that’s what WebMD says.  All you need to know is it’s uncommon and the most prominent other case was Brandon McCarthy, a guy that just last year threw 200 IP for the first time in his career and he’s now 31.  Seems like something that could have Wacha lucky to throw 150 IP.  A decent 150 IP, but maybe not more.  2015 Projections:  9-8/3.31/1.22/134

70. Jimmy Nelson – The Brewers went against their previous ten years of modus operandi and actually got younger this offseason in their rotation.  (They’re still having a hard time going younger with the hitting.  Adam Lind?  Really, Seth Myers?)  Nelson has a 94 MPH fastball, regularly 9+ K-rate in the minors and not a hideous walk rate.  Basically, he’s my Charo and I’m on the fantasy baseball Love Boat.  He would be the first one replaced in the rotation if management decides to do anything stoopid, but he should be able to throw a whole year of innings and he could be a huge value surprise.  2015 Projections:  8-11/3.66/1.32/157

71. Andrew Heaney – This is what I said this offseason, “(Heaney) was the best pickup by the Dodgers since Rick Monday picked up a flag in the outfield, then they traded him to the Angels for Howie Kendrick.  Yes, the Los Angeles Angels of Not Really Los Angeles traded with their not-really-geographic-brethren, the Los Angeles Dodgers of Los Angeles.  I’ve already given you my Andrew Heaney fantasy, and it’s all still relevant.  Like how it says I don’t have ovaries.  It also says, ‘With three pitches that he can locate, including that 90 MPH fastball, he should be good for 7 to 7.5 K/9 and a 2.2 to 2.6 BB/9.  That’s 160 Ks and a manageable WHIP in 200 IP, which is really what this post is about — I buried the lede like I’m Alfred Hitchcock.  Heaney should have a rotation job all year and could throw 190-200 IP in 2015.  For deeper mixed leagues, a guy that can get 160 Ks, while delivering some upside, is definitely a gamble worth taking.  For now, I’m going to leave the projections the same, but his 5th starter job is more tenuous now than it was yesterday.'”  And that’s me quoting me quoting me!  2015 Projections:  9-10/3.89/1.28/155

72. Trevor Bauer – Hey, Indians, stop with all the upside, would ya?  Since it’s unavoidable, what is the difference between Bauer, Salazar and Carrasco?  Besides that Bauer works for USPS in the offseason, airmailing packages to Canada with a flip of his wrist, Carrasco had a sub-2 BB/9 last year, Salazar had a sub-3 and Bauer had a sub-4.  Seriously, for fantasy purposes, that’s about it.  A sub-4 BB/9 can get better in a hurry and make Bauer a 2-something ERA guy with 200 Ks.  Right now, there’s too much risk to expect that.  It could happen.  Stranger things have.  For instance, I have a Master’s degree and I’m writing about fantasy baseball.  Want even stranger?  I have a Master’s degree and I had Google to make sure it wasn’t a Masters degree with no apostrophe.  I’m still not sure.  I’m smart, y’all!  2015 Projections:  11-12/3.94/1.35/183

73. Kevin Gausman – Time permitting and Gausman will get a sleeper post.  His major league numbers thus far could be thrown out.  He had a 7 K/9 and a 3 BB/9, and those are nothing special unless you like round numbers.  His minor league numbers are sweet, sweet can; sweet, sweet, can and he’s plenty young enough to reach that potential.  Oh, and he averages 95 MPH.  Yeah, he could be a top 20 starter next year, and I’d grab him in every league.  2015 Projections:  9-11/3.42/1.29/168

74. Carlos Martinez – As I’ve mentioned before, I don’t look at other rankings prior to me ranking.  It helps to eliminate bias.  This has an unavoidable drawback.  Sometimes I’m high on a guy Cheech and Chong-style.  I want, want, want them!  Then, I rank them where they should go in the big picture and I realize that I won’t, won’t, won’t get them!  I don’t know this for sure when I’m ranking, because I’m ranking in a bubble.  (BTW, if you live in a bubble, do you have to dust?)  I bring this up now because I want Martinez, but I have a feeling others will be higher on him than I.  This is, of course, fine, and I might be wrong.  It’s just a feeling I get.  If I thought Martinez would throw 200 IP, I would’ve moved him up about 20 spots.  He’ll prolly end up earning top 40 starter value anyway, but that will be because he gets 30-something innings in the bullpen and his K-rate will be boosted by those reliever innings.  It’ll be interesting to see how hard the Cards push him, innings-wise.  In any case, his stuff is labeled TNT (Throwing Nasty Things).  2015 Projections:  8-6/3.09/1.27/124

75. Jeremy Hellickson – Look at me making history by liking Hellickson for the first time ever.  When he was traded to the Diamondbacks, I said, “The best way to eat a banana is if it’s dipped in chocolate.  Dipping a banana in chocolate is the baseball equivalent to pitching for the Padres in Petco.  Hellickson was just dipped in melted carob chips.  He’s better than he was, but it’s not chocolate, and after a while there’s gonna be a funky aftertaste.”  And that’s me copying and pasting me!  I decided to loosen my reins on the Hellickson hate.  I’m in love with pitchers in the NL and especially the NL West, so I can’t argue with myself and not like Hellickson.  Yes, you can!  No, you can’t!  Yes, you– Okay, break it up, Greys!    2015 Projections:  11-13/3.71/1.31/142

76. Ian Kennedy – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until top 100 starters for 2015 fantasy baseball.  I call this tier, “Are you drafting for an ESPN Classic fantasy league?”  In fairness to this tier, they have better odds of being better than the tier above them, but this late in drafts I want upside and not the corpses of former top pitchers.  In deeper leagues, I could see bumping this tier up above the previous tier (think 15-team leagues and deeper), since you really have scraps on waivers and need the innings.  As for Kennedy, the Reds pitcher J.J. Hoover says Kennedy is addicted to painkillers, is secretly a Communist sympathizer and is having an affair with a top Hollywood starlet.  2015 Projections:  12-10/3.87/1.31/167

77. Mike Minor – Kennedy was better last year, Verlander has more name value, but one guy that I seriously considered moving out of this tier was Minor.  He’s only 27 years old, and he wasn’t right last year.  He could easily bounce back.  Then again — NO, NOT THE THEN AGAIN!!! — there’s so many pitchers, why bother hoping for a bounce back?  Rhetorical!  2015 Projections:  10-13/3.89/1.26/142

78. Justin Verlander – So many things wrapped up in Verlander that it’s hard to know where to start.  First, he’s a great example of what happens when a pitcher loses velocity.  Second, this is why you want to veer towards younger pitchers.  Third, there’s no third.  Fourth, when you see a decline in stuff, you don’t go hoping for a bounce back, you let someone else take on the risk.  Fifth, he takes great selfies.  Sixth, he wasn’t unlucky last year, he was bad.  Seventh, ate-th ninth.  Tenth, the signs of him being bad were showing in 2013.  2014 was just the natural progression of an aging pitcher.  Eleventh, there wasn’t really a third, seventh, eighth or ninth so why would there be an eleventh?  Twelfth, drummers drumming.  2015 Projections:  14-10/3.97/1.35/162

79. CC Sabathia – Pretty much what I said about Verlander, but he doesn’t take great selfies.  He could change that if he starts dating Kim Fields.  Tootie meet Too Many Rooty Tooty Fresh ‘N Fruities.  2015 Projections:  13-12/4.04/1.39/171

80. Doug Fister – I don’t care what his ERA was last year.  It was 2.41.  Okay, so I care a little.  More importantly, what was his K-rate?  Go ahead, look, I’ll wait.  Damn, what’s taking so long?!  Sorry, I’m on edge; too much coffee.  Is that okay with you?!  His K-rate last year was 5.38.  Bronson Arroyo just played a sad song on his guitar in honor of Fister called, “I’m Sorry To Fister,” and Gloria Allred is suing.  Here’s the thing, if Fister doesn’t have an extremely solid ERA again, he will be absolutely useless.  And, with a 5-something K/9, I mean useless.  2015 Projections: 13-9/3.59/1.27/129

 
  1. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!

    Have my first live draft today at 10h00 EST. Wish me luck. Will let you know the results. It’s a seasonal mixed H2H league with some scary-looking (aka lots of experience) owners.

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Mordacious Levator says:
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      @Ante GALIC: good luck, you’ve either started or have time for a 12 hour nap before.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ante GALIC: Why are you doing a draft this early?

      • Ante GALIC says:
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        @Grey: I do two early and two late.

        A.Scooped up these first 5 picks fr the 7-hole. Giancarlo (7), Abreu (14), E5 (27), Rendon (34) and Carlos Gomez (47).

        B. SP taken=Ross(67), Cobb (74), Wheeler (87), Latos (107), McHugh (114), Fiers (127), Shoemaker (147), Liriano (174).

        C. Added Rosario with my 19th round pick (187).

        D.
        1. Would you drop Heaney to pick up Rusney Castillo?
        2. Would you drop Paxton to pick up A. Garcia?

        My OF is Giancarlo (7), Gomez (47) and JUpton (94). E5 is in the U. I can’t use either but maybe they can be trade bait?

        Cheers,
        Ante

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Ante GALIC: how did you get all those picks with scary experienced owners? I don’t get how your draft works? It’s not auction…right?

          • Ante GALIC says:
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            @J-FOH: Don’t know, bro. Experienced guy has been around since 2001 and has been commish five years in a row. Stuck to the bible of Grey’s Top 20 (Thanks a million, Grey). Took Jansen in rd 6 (54) and HRondon in rd 14 (134) for my two RPs. Missed on Carrasco and Wood. Cheers, Ante.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Now is way too early… 1. Yup 2. Hold for now Better off trying to trade one of the better OFs

          • Ante GALIC says:
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            @Grey: Ty, man for speedy advice. Ante

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              NP

        • Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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          @Ante GALIC: cargo 2 way later than i be we’ll find in our drafts, likely abreu and maybe rendon too.

  2. doghat666 says:
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    12 team, 10×10 roto, 6 keepers, CBS auction league
    Roster 25, play 19, Hitters: 2C, MI, CI, DH, 5OF
    Pitchers: 1SP, 1RP, 7P
    Total Salary $260
    I’m keeping these 4:
    $20 G Stanton
    $16 A Rizzo
    $5 A Rendon
    $5 N Arenado

    Which 2 from this list:
    $16 Y Cespedes
    $8 G Springer
    $12 G Cole
    $9 A Cobb
    $8 A Wood
    My thinking is to keep Springer and either Cobb or Wood, but a case can be made for any two of these guys. What do you think?

  3. Strolg says:
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    1. So I’m having my morning coffee reading my morning Razzball when my wife comes down and I ask ‘Have you watched all this season of Madmen?’ ‘Yes’ ‘Did Joan have sex on a red carpet?’ ‘No, why?’ ‘The dude writing this article says that a red carpet reminds him of Joan’ ‘That’s because of her hair color.’ Then I get one of those looks after we both look down at our 1 year old red headed daughter. ‘Gross’ and she walks out the room. Note: to you young men about to move out of your parents basement and in with a lady- NEVER offer any information freely and vacuum. No man has ever gotten in trouble when keeping his mouth shut or vacuuming.
    2. Is there any chance that Top Chef Doug is actually Jose Altuve?
    3. Nope

  4. Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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    keeper time, tale of two leagues. both 12 teamers, not deep.
    1. roto, whole bunch of extra categories, XBH/OPS/double plays/net steals instead of steals/k’s for hitters/ double plays for pitchers/ QS/net saves/holds/ K to BB. Start 5 OF, 2 extra IF, 3 or 4 keepers i’m waiting to find out, but i’m supposing the first three are trout/mccutchen/altuve, with the possible 4th coming from these: Cobb/Kluber/Dickerson/Soler/Frazier/Harper?
    2. h2h, same categories, 4 keepers. Rizzo/Upton and which 2 out of Donaldson/Dickerson/Cargo 1/Soler/F-Her/Kluber/Cobb?

    3. also, for dynasties, hahn still over hammel (age dif is huge)

    Master is owner of that degree, so apostrophe it is.

      • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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        @Grey: wow, would’ve figured there’d be a pitcher somewhere in there, guess you have to generally go to 5 or more keepers to take first pitcher, if your keepers are good (which i suppose matches drafting strategy in redrafts as well); assuming of course you have 4 good hitting keepers, which i do in both.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yup

          • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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            @Grey: also interesting harper is back as answer in #1, as he went from being clearly 4th guy, to not kept when i asked this back in september (comish made it sound like we had to finalize keepers back in sep, which is asinine), and now back to kept as 4th guy again. #1 was from that league where we drafted each division by itself (so you could ONLY draft from say NL central from rounds 1-5, then ONLY AL west rounds 6-10). I got lucky to be first overall in AL West/NL central/NL west (thus harper/cutch/trout) but last in the others.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Nice

              • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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                @Grey: it looks crazy now, as i must’ve gotten altuve no earlier than 24th-25th overall, as i went first in AL West, so didn’t pick again till very last pick in the 2nd round of that division.

                • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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                  @Aubrey Plaza’s Pillow: i mean overall in whatever rounds were the AL West.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Yeah, completely

  5. Lville Jim says:
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    Jessica Hahn looked pretty hot in the “Wild Thing” video. Very doable, just don’t know if I could bring myself to having Sam Kinison’s sloppy seconds though.

    • Shaggy says:
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      @Lville Jim: Wasn’t that like 20 years ago? I think your chances for sloppy seconds are pretty slim.

      • Lville Jim says:
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        @Shaggy: certainly not today but back in the day

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Lville Jim: She doesn’t look quite the same

  6. S P says:
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    In a 16-team 5×5 roto w/OBP, I need to keep 10. Keepers are 4 year max. All but most obvious are eligible for 3 years more. Advices?

    Obvious: Goldy, Bautista, Frazier, Cargo (Rockies edition), Arenado, Greinke

    Probable: Dee Gordon, Prince Fielder, Julio Teheran, Jacob DeGrom

    Miss the cut off (…or do they?): Devin Mesoraco, Jorge Soler, Marcel Ozuna, Mark Melancon, Cliff Lee, Alex Wood

    • @S P:
      Wood over DeGromm?
      Soler over Fielder? Maybe it’s just me that doesn’t have confidence in Fielder to return to form?
      If you’re already keeping Goldy, Bautista, Frazier & Arenado, do you have an active spot for Fielder?

      • S P says:
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        @phillyrulez04:

        I was planning on doing Goldy 1B, Bautista at CF and Fielder at Util. However, Soler would fit in at RF quite nicely.

        The other thing is that it’s a very active league and there are tons of trades. I can try to trade my glut of offensive players so perceived value is in some ways more important than my rankings. That’s why I’m keeping Teheran actually. I’m fairly sure someone’s going to give me something good for the guy and I could likely score 2 closers for him. Fielder would seem to be in the category of player where he could fetch something pretty nice.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @S P: I’d go with my rankings

      • S P says:
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        @Grey:

        Well, yeah, but I don’t have access to the top 100! Want to send me a sneak peak?

        Plus, there’s the problem of knowing that 15 other people will keep 10 players and trying to make sure you don’t screw yourself over. With 160 players off the board, it might be hard to find power, speed, Ks, etc and I was seeking to have as complete a team as possible. Outside of Wood/DeGrom, any of those you strongly disagree with?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          It’ll be up tomorrow

    • J-FOH says:
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      @S P: call me cray but dee’s speed in a 16 reamer might be worth the keep so you can focus more on in season pitching. All those pitchers have question marks in my book. Not saying they won’t perform just come with some sleepless nights.

  7. NatsFan says:
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    Grey,

    Daiquiri on me today. Thanks!!

    Saw in another thread you were leaning towards not doing an NFBC this year. Those leagues are made for Razzball!

    A. No one punts pitching
    B. Most play for last year, not this year
    C. There is no C

    Used your list last season and got my $$$ out. Offense was in the Top 1% of all slow drafts: Pujols (3rd), Altuve (5th), Frazier (10th), Brantley (16th), Duda (18th). Couldn’t overcome Anibal-Cobb-Liriano-Koji-Frieri…ouch…to finish better than third in the league, but if you nail pitching and go all Razzballian on offense NFBC is the perfect set up.

    Doing multiple this season. Started one Saturday. Out of the 10 hole:

    Rizzo
    Harper
    Dickerson
    Arenado

    Need some speed and thinking Yelich/Wong for 5th and 6th. A true pitching punt.

    Watch the signup lists, see one getting late (10-12 already signed up) so you aren’t playing other followers and launch. Odds are last season you got all the injury juju out of your system

    Thanks for all your work. Much appreciated.

    • NatsFan says:
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      *Meant waits on pitching not “punts”

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @NatsFan: Thanks! Looks like a solid team so far…

  8. AL KOHOLIC says:
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    ill be owning a few from this group,probably multiple times

  9. Hawk says:
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    Hey all,

    I asked a couple days ago about Wacha, who I have the option to protect in a keeper league. How serious is this shoulder thing? I don’t recall hearing anyone else with a “stress reaction” before, though any shoulder problem isn’t good.

    Is it something that is likely to crop up year after year? I am pretty risk averse when it comes to pitching protects because there’s no reason to risk it when there’s so much pitching available….

    Do I have “I want him to be good because he’s on my team” bias going on here? Tell it to me straight, Razzballers!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Hawk: I wrote about him in the post

      • Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo says:
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        @Grey: anybody’s who’s had mccarthy any of last 5 years excepting last year knows how much fun those injuries are. You’ll never have to worry about having vacant DL spots.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, exactly

    • PK says:
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      @Hawk: I’m pretty sure Matt Garza had this injury a couple years ago.

  10. Soul Kitchen says:
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    Where does José Fernández fit in to all of this? Thanks!

  11. PK says:
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    Ah, some of the names I’ve been waiting to see!

    I’ve had the same problem with Bachelor’s degree versus Bachelors degree.

    • Fastpitch says:
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      @PK: I graduated from UHK. University of hard knocks (‘s) ?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @PK: I would need to Google that too

  12. Mordacious Levator says:
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    damn, there’s one deepish league (12 owners but 30 man rosters) where i have like 7 of these pitchers already.

  13. dude says:
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    Currently set on the 13 players below.

    C –
    1B – Rizzo ($18)
    2B –
    3B – Arendo ($14)
    SS –
    IF –
    OF – Braun ($46)
    OF – CarGo ($37)
    OF – Harper ($30)
    OF – Springer ($20)
    DH – Marte ($20)
    Bench – Rusney Castillo ($15)
    Bench – Yasmani Tomas ($15)

    SP – Gray ($20)
    SP – Samardzija ($16)
    SP – Cole ($18)
    SP –
    SP –
    RP – Melancon ($14)
    RP –
    RP –
    P –

    Was offered Dozier($21) for Samardzija or Wong($11) for Cole. Should I take either of those trades? Afraid my pitching would be too weak if I lost either.

    I’m also talking with another owner with the trade centering around Castillo for Iwakuma. Is that a trade I should consider? And should I only consider if I trade one of my other SP’s for a 2B?

    I also have any of these players I could keep in place of the ones above.

    1B – Singleton ($11)
    2B – Alacantra ($15)
    SS – A. Escobar ($15), Russell (ML) ($13)
    SP – Bailey($21), A. Sanchez($26), McHugh($15)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @dude: I’d take Wong… Rusney for Hisashi is fair

  14. He who hesitates...is lost says:
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    Really appreciate the hard work and time put into your rankings. The narratives are great.

    I play in a 16 team keeper league. 5 X 4 (no whip so pitching is sightly devalued). It is a weekly lineup league. League is part auction (for up to 10 players both $$$ & non money from FA draft) and a straight FA draft based on team performance from the year previous.

    Last year I had a power house team..until the playoffs when my team performed worse then the last play call of the Seahawks in last nights Super Bowl.

    Going into the auction I am keeping Trout , Miggy, Choo (I am stuck with him), Dickerson (no $$), Ventura (no $$), and Kluber (no $$). The bad news is that my contracts for Trout and Miggy are taking up 70% of my budget. I do not have much to spend.

    We can trade picks and I went all in last year so I am short on picks & money auction talent. So I am trying to wheel & deal for picks & keeper players.

    Two questions:

    1) Another owner made the following offer:
    He would receive the matching rights (we can trade matching rights) to Donaldlson Tor (I cannot afford him) & Kluber SP Cle.

    I would receive a #1 pick (4th overall, I could grab one of the newly arrived Cuban players) and my choice of 2 of the following SPers (he doesn’t have any position players worth taking): Salazarr Cle, Archer TB, and McHugh Hou.

    Since you have those 3 SPers so closely tied together, which 2 would you pick?

    2) Last, based on the above is Kenderick LAD 2B or Ayabar LAA SS worth keeping. I will not be able to afford a top 10 SS due to my budget constraints.

    Thanks for all of your help. Sorry about the overkill on league info.

  15. Shaggy says:
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    My boy Pomeranz is gonna slip into these rankings at some point during the season. Pitching looks so deep this year, can you imagine being in a draft where every single team decides to target hitters first? The lower-round pitching crop would be almost paralyzing to choose from.

  16. Clint says:
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    Couple queries:
    1) What, other than the awesomness of Kate Upton, separate Scherzer from sliding down the same hellish chute that Verlander did into crappiness with his workload going up in a similar fashion?

    2) I heard a lot of talk last season that Cingrani doesn’t have enough pitches in his arsenal to make the jump to elite. Your take?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Clint: 1) Five years 2) I think he can overpower hitters as he’s already done

    • J-FOH says:
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      @Clint: I’ll be watching cingrani like a cyclops with a monocole in spring to see if he is working on any new pitches. *crosses fingers * screams future closer to me.

  17. Wake Up says:
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    Joan…now that’s a savage garden!

      • Wake Up says:
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        @Grey: The Frank reference didn’t go over my head, you little gabagool…

        You and Ernest must both be swimming in umbrella drinks!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          My gabagool is getting bigger, I feel bloated

          • Wake Up says:
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            @Grey: Ginger smoothie?
            Speaking of ginger…my gabagool gets bigger when I see Joan…

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I got my gabagool on a hoagie bun

  18. Powerslave says:
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    16 Teams, H2H, Keep up to 4, Giancarlo, Justin Upton, Frazier , Pujols and Carrasco are best options…, Heavy customized Fantrax league that counts walks, doubles and Ops as added categories, also, Kper9 and K/bb ratio are pitching Categories Should i keep all 4 ? Is Carrasco 4th round value in league like This?, over Pujols or Frazier? or keep both OFs and look for better value hitters in 3rd and 4th rounds(over Frazier and Pujols)?, Thanks!

  19. the swinging says:
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    Homer bailey was a tank in 2012. Y so hard on urself where did u have him ranked comin into last season?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Top 20 SPs

  20. Orval Overall says:
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    mmmm..Country Time Lemonade…now that’s the good stuff!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Indeed

  21. KBO says:
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    I don’t see Doug Fister anywhere in your top 80 – I know he’s due for regression, but outside of the top 80 seems harsh – what gives?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He doesn’t K anyone

      • K-DOGG says:
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        @Grey: @KBO:

        I fully expected him here in your 61-80, but wow…… there are not enough drugs in the world to derail my mental state enough to draft CC Sabathtub over Twisted Fister.

        I would have Fister in the top 50 because he has potential to get 150+ strikeouts (6.8 K/9 2011-13), but we’ll agree to disagree. Enjoyable read nonetheless. Thanks!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Gotcha

  22. Jon says:
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    I have room for 6 keeper starters. Zimmermann, Harvey and Stroman are for-sures for me. Last 3 will come from Shoemaker, McHugh, Keuchel, Cashner, Bailey and Gausman. Would you recommend I go straight with your rankings or maybe take someone like Gausman instead in a keeper? Who you got for the last 3?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      McHugh, Shoemaker, Gausman

  23. Jay_0321 says:
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    Grizzle,

    Would you rather have this core group of keepers going forward: Tulo, Cutch, Stanton, E5

    or: Tulo, Goldy, Stanton, Donaldson?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Goldy, Stanton

  24. Clint says:
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    Formatting question:
    What’s your feeling regarding keeping the wins category in roto leagues versus replacing it with either quality starts or a combo of wins/quality starts? Does that effect draft strategy at all?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I prefer Wins… It wouldn’t greatly affect my strategy… Maybe I’d take a couple older arms towards the end that have greater QS potential

  25. Wake Up says:
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    Verlander and CC so low?
    Also when do we see Halladay?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, Halladay is with Oswalt in the next tier

      • Wake Up says:
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        @Grey: This next tier is called “These guys wear more camo than a pregnant junebug. If your league counts plebes or baby lions or other cubs and cadets or if there is a how times is this guy gonna say Doc Halladay and still think it is a clever reference category or if you’re a fan of really long tier names, or run on sentences, or oars or ors, or if it’s hotter than a bald horny toad licking sand off a firefly, then this is the tier for you tier”

        • J_FOH says:
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          @Wake Up: I licked a frog once….once!

          • Wake Up says:
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            @J_FOH: Once you remember

            • J_FOH says:
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              @Wake Up: wake wait, has everything since that first lick been a hallucination that has gone on and on for the last 22 years because I lick a new frog every day yet don’t know I’m licking that frog. The Amphibianatrix?

              • Wake Up says:
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                @J_FOH: HA HA Dix..

                Plus today we see if Bill Murray sees his shadow

                • Wake Up says:
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                  @Wake Up: Plus today we see if Bill Murray sees his shadow…

                • J_FOH says:
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                  @Wake Up: I saw my shadow and leon is getting large

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Hey, how’d you know?!

          • Wake Up says:
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            @Grey: It just looks like an 8th pick, It just looks like an 8th pick…

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              It just looks like an 8th pick….

  26. Mostsuckass says:
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    There are quite a few pitchers in this tier that I’d own in a medium-sized to deep league. I know Hammel is a decidedly unsexy name, but I agree with your assessment that his potential this season isn’t much different from most of the guys ranked from about 20 to 60.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup

  27. booya says:
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    So I asked this same question last week but since then I traded Stroman & CMart for Cespedes so I’m asking again…

    Here are my keepers for my 12 team H2H 6×6 w/ OPS & QS

    C Mesoraco
    1B Votto (ugh)
    2B Wong
    3B Beltre
    OF J Up
    OF Bruce

    SP- Cobb, Latos, Stroman, CMart, Heaney
    (as I said above I just traded Stroman and CMart for Cespedes)

    In this league we only start 3 OF & 1 Util. There’s usually pretty decent bats available on the wire all year.

    At pick 4 I’m going to have a choice between Bautista (1B eligible) and King Felix. Am I crazy for wanting to take Felix there? Odds are I wouldn’t be able to keep either of them anyway unless they were to have a pretty down year…

    Is everyone still thinking Bautista is the right pick here?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Take Bautista

  28. Anthony says:
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    @Grey: did a mock thoughts
    1. Edwin Encarnación (Tor – 1B)
    2. Anthony Rendón (Was – 2B,3B)
    3. Nolan Arenado (Col – 3B)
    4. Albert Pujols (LAA – 1B)
    5. Jake Arrieta (ChC – SP)
    6. Yasmani Tomás (Ari – 3B,OF)
    7. Jorge Soler (ChC – OF)
    8. Ryan Zimmerman (Was – 3B,OF)
    9. Tyson Ross (SD – SP)
    10. Evan Gattis (Hou – C)
    11. Carlos Carrasco (Cle – SP,RP)
    12. Jean Segura (Mil – SS)
    13. Lucas Duda (NYM – 1B)
    14. Marcus Stroman (Tor – SP,RP)
    15. Drew Smyly (TB – SP)
    16. Avisail García (CWS – OF)
    17. Melky Cabrera (CWS – OF)
    18. Michael Pineda (NYY – SP)
    19. Carlos Beltrán (NYY – OF)
    20. Danny Salazar (Cle – SP)
    21. Jake Peavy (SF – SP)
    22. Kyle Hendricks (ChC – SP)
    23. Allen Craig (Bos – 1B,OF)

    PS: I don’t believe in drafting closers especially after last season and since I only play in h2h leagues

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      This means nothing without any more info

  29. Frank Grimes says:
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    Is there going to be a version of APPLES out this year?
    I think that’s what it’s called.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup, on Friday I believe

    • Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo says:
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      @Frank Grimes: what does that stand for,
      all people’s piss leaks every sunday?

  30. Jason says:
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    I’m in a 12 team H2H dynasty league (40 man rosters -32 MLB/8 MiLB). We keep forever (no $/contracts). I want to upgrade my 3B (I have ARam).
    It’s a 10×10 cat league:
    H/R/HR/RBI/SB/BB/SO/TB/AVG/OPS IP/ K/9 / WHIP / K/BB / W/QS/SV/HLD/ERA/HR

    I have an offer where I trade Pence/Price/Alfaro for Beltre/Lester

    At SP I have Stras/Price/Arrieta/Cole/C.Lee/Carrasco/Smyly
    At OF I have Bautista/Pence/Kemp/Werth/JDMart/Byrd

    Which side would you want to be on? Am I giving up too much here? Beltre is old but good but I’m I making my team worse – hold or pull trigger?