So, here’s all that’s happened since I began the Fantasy Aftermath: Top June Pitchers write up and the July write up. I worked, I tweeted, I played Daily Fantasy Football and made the Fantasy Football playoffs in seven of my eight seasonal leagues, I wrote weeks worth of Daily Fantasy Football for @Jaywrong (he’s such a slave driver), I grew a beard, and I repped Razzball for a Fantasy Baseball mock draft.  Oh and I completed Top April and Top May pitchers prior to that. This is the off-season!?! But more to the point, I don’t remember what the hell we were talking about. Fantasy pitchers from the 2014 year? That’s so 2014! PS, that’s only funny if you’re reading it in 2015. Knowing Grey he’s gonna be a jerk and post this on New Year’s Eve just to kill the humor. So let’s not waste our time being funny, let’s get to the facts. Here’s the top July pitchers from the 2014 Fantasy Baseball season…

Overview

So what the heck am I looking at, you might ask yourself.  Well, unfortunately, the names I gave those secondary columns just won’t cut through so I gotta give you some breakdown.  The first column labelled simply ‘$’ is Rudy’s formula for evaluating streamers.  I can’t share the secret formula, though I have been told if used in the kitchen it makes some great baked beans.  The column to its immediate right is what I simply called ‘Minus Wins.’  It’s Rudy’s numbers minus the impact of wins on their value.  Clearly it knocks a few bucks off the top for everyone, but it does go to show whether a guy pitched well or if it was the wins that pushed them through the gate.  The third and final column is ‘Win Value Difference.’  This is simply to show the separation between their value when counting wins vs their inherent value without them.  Some are drastic, some are not and some may be misleading.  Also notice the spreadsheet itself has two different tabs to peruse: ‘July With Wins’ and ‘July W/out Wins.’  I don’t think this needs further explanation.  If it does, please refer to Appendix I-IV.  Hint:  there is no appendix.  PS, if this looks familiar from the previous posts in this series…it is!  It’s a breakdown of what you’re looking at, I don’t see a reason to recreate the wheel.  Unless the original wheel were inefficient, of course.  Maybe it needs spikes?  YES!  Back to the drawing board we go!  JK, moving along…

First Impressions:

Preseason Top 20 Pitchers For 2014 Fantasy Baseball in top 25 for July with wins: Clayton Kershaw, David Price, Felix Hernandez, Chris Sale, Max Scherzer, Alex Cobb, Zack Greinke – 7 total

Preseason Top 20 Pitchers For 2014 Fantasy Baseball in top 25 for July without wins: Clayton Kershaw, David Price, Felix Hernandez, Chris Sale, Max Scherzer, Alex Cobb, Zack Greinke – 7 total

Largest Positive Win Value Difference: Sonny Gray (15.1)

Largest Negative Win Value Difference: Jake Arrieta (-7.5)

Pitchers Outside the Top 25 without the win category: Lance Lynn, Jake Odorizzi, Zack Wheeler, Scott Kazmir

Pitchers Inside the Top 25 without the win category: Matt Garza, Jake Arrieta, Jeff Samardzija

Not overly obvious free agent pitching pickups from the lists: Jacob deGrom, Wade Miley, R.A. Dickey, Ervin Santana – 4 total

Second Impressions

Jacob deGromOh hai ROY.  My name isn’t Roy, it’s Jacob.  Well, no one has ever accused an athlete of being too bright…anywho, deGrom got to face Atlanta twice and Miami once in his his total of five July starts.  He was able to tally 27 Ks in 19 innings over that stretch.  Given both of those teams finished in the bottom five for K% by team, this should surprise no one.  This isn’t me ragging on Jacob, just some things to be thinking about for your 2015 season.  Yes, this post has 2015 implications.  Don’t act so shocked.

What does ‘not overly obvious free agent pitching’ mean in July? – Looking back over the splits, I almost talked myself into putting Tyson Ross and Zack Wheeler on the list but decided against it.  I feel like Ross was probably forgotten in June after posting near a 4 ERA and I’d put money on all the Wheeler drafters having dropped him by the end of May with basically 3 straight months of a +4.00 ERA to start the year.  But since I can’t prove it, I can’t do it.  I cheated a bit with Dickey – I’m sure his history pushed him up draft boards – but in reality, July ‘surprise’ pitching probably started in June.  It’s also why I didn’t put Marcus Stroman in since everyone was hot on him and he was called up in June.  Basically, I’m saying it could’ve been 6 or 7 but I put 4 because I have standards.  Or something…

Jeff SamardzijaWas traded to Oakland by July but still finished second behind his former teammate in negative win value difference at -4.5.  It’s hard to shake the stink of losing, apparently.

Wade Miley – Wade actually posted some sexy K/9 smut for most of the year.  Problem is if you made a pin-up calendar of his exploits, only one month came with a skimpy ERA.  The rest?  Well

28% – The amount of top 20 pitchers in the top 25 for the month of July.  This ties June for most successful month.  Side bar: if Siamese Twins win at anything, isn’t it always a tie?  Go forth and ponder, friends.

Aftermath:

We’re getting to that juncture in the season where the pickups get sparse simply because we’re retreading.  R.A. Dickey?  He was probably drafted but anyone who held him through March thru June…well, you deserve what you got.  Sorry, not sorry.  The stretch run should be a bit more promising for pick up arms but that’s simply based on memory and considering how much ‘fun’ I had in college, that’s faulty at best.  I now get why so many authors use the unreliable narrator route; we just can’t remember what we’re talking about!  But for cereal, July feels like the most ‘known’ set of pitching names we’ve had in this series.  Of course, some surprise omissions did happen.  Stephen Strasburg?  No dice.  Yu Darvish?  If memory serves, the lead up to a DL stint.  Madison Bumgarner?  MIA and I don’t mean he was traded to the Marlins.  The end of the season is truly a question of how many of the in-season pickups and late sleeper picks were held through rough patches.  Of course, anyone who owns Clayton Kershaw is winning their league, of course.  I mean, I’m sure their offense is fine.  Sighs…seriously that sarcastic font still doesn’t work.  In the end, we’re still looking through the historical telescope on #PitchingIsSoDeep so I’m not gonna proclaim anything until we’re done.  Until next week or month or year, peeps.

You can follow Sky on twitter @Sky_Razzball and in your most sweetest of dreams

  1. james says:
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    A nice reminder that drafting pitching is a fools errand.

    I generally nab my whole rotation post round 10, normally closer to round 12 (it all depends if i feel that a guy dropped further than he should). this year, i think i will be walking away with a group that is mostly guys like SMyly, Quintana, Shelby Miller, Pineda, hutchison, Paxton, Liriano, Walker, and Petit. The best part is, i more than likely will just cut them if they have 2-3 bad starts in a row for a new arm.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      @james: Yeah, unless you’re getting elite talent, there’s no reason to worry about pitching. I’m usually ok with looking past round 6 but I’d actually rather get an elite closer before nabbing an elite pitcher. Just much easier to cobble together a strong staff over time and in season.

      • McNulty says:
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        @Sky:

        do you like to get an elite arm in an auction? Last year I thought getting one of the elite guys would be a good strategy. Missed out on Felix because I misjudged how the league would value SP, passed on Waino because of injury concerns and then got Lee for a few extra dollars than either because I knew I had to spend my money on someone. Thinking of skipping that this year

        • J-FOH says:
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          @McNulty: Lee wasn’t an elite arm going into last year

          • McNulty says:
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            @J-FOH:

            revisionist history

            JB: #6
            Grey: #8

            ESPN (gulp) #6
            Yahoo: #6

            • J-FOH says:
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              @McNulty: wow, he wasn’t even an option in my book and so was Verlander who was ranked right after. But regardless, elite is defined differently by all of us.

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          I take it if it’s there and underpriced. I didn’t see Cliff that way last year so we would’ve had a different approach. I don’t think they are necessary, but if priced right I’ll pay

  2. J-FOH says:
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    Just wanted to say Hi, will be reading this later and will comment.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Ok, guess I ‘ll say bye then?

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Sky: still haven’t read it, be there in a bit.

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          Still haven’t left and you’re still not reading? This is an awkward good bye.

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Sky: sometimes i just stand there with my pants around my ankles.

            • Sky

              Sky says:
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              ‘sometimes’

  3. Blushing Pansy says:
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    My draft plan I’ve executed to some success the last two years in a standard 5×5 roto league is as follows… Only roster 3 SPs at a given time, draft 2 top 10-15 SPs and constantly stream the 3rd. Otherwise lock up 3-4 closers and 2-3 of the top non-closer RPs. I did this after noticing the big drop after the top guys and the relative similarity of SPs #15-80.

    Do you think this years group continues to make this strategy advantageous?
    Where would you draw the line for elite SPs?

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Elite is only like 4 or 5 guys in any given year in my book and even that has the win variable effect. I don’t mind your strategy, though. You lose out on early bats in the draft but make up for it by drafting plenty late. Still would prefer to build late and in season, personally, but I don’t hate the approach.

    • james says:
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      @Blushing Pansy:

      that pretty much sounds like LIMA.

      I have done the same thing years and years ago to win leagues… how long ago you ask… i think the 2 elites i was using was Pedro and Kevin Brown.

      • A Wesley Snipes Life says:
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        @james: not one part of LIMA means having any “elite” SP (the one’s that cost a lot). “LIMA is a strategy that allows you to target high skills pitchers at a low cost, thereby freeing up dollars for offense.” It’s head tenet is this: “only allocate $60 out of $260 for pitching, total”. So unless anybody is in a league where you can draft 3-4 closers and 2 elite pitchers, along with the cheaper RP and 1 other starter for that cheap, it’d be something else.

  4. Blushing Pansy says:
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    Maybe I’m using the “elite” term too loosely. Oh and I’m an auction drafter. For example, last year I grabbed Price @ $19, Teheran @ $13, and Closers Kenley, Robertson, Veras, and Axford for $34 combined. Add in a couple $1 MRs and your talking about under $70 with a $260 cap. I had Teheran at 16 or so as one of the final pitchers in his tier. Just trying to find that line this year. I’d be happy with a guy like Sonny as my SP 2.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Yeah, auction is a whole different bag. You can hang back and get two top 15 guys easy. But in auction you can also take some late chances for cheap on guys like Tyson Ross or Corey Kluber and still end up doing well. It’s why I prefer auction if I can play it; it’s the fairest draft system available.

    • Cram It says:
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      @Blushing Pansy: You’ll figure out who the bargain guys are. I had Gray, Cashner, Wood, Roark, Hutchison all for under $10 last year. I’m looking at guys like Fiers, Pineda, Odorizzi, Minor, Paxton to give some great cheap returns. SP’s typically ranked in the 40’s/50’s.

      • Cram It says:
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        @Cram It: Those guys in total, actually, cost me $19

        • Adult Onset Dia Bit Us says:
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          @Cram It: surprised Gray was under 10 last year. Maybe Cashner too.

  5. J-FOH says:
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    So July was a good pitchers month for the pitchers we expect to be there. Interesting. And deGrom pitched well against teams he is suppose to pitch well against and will face a lot in 2015. Interesting. are you seeing a trend where the writing was on the wall for the wheels to fall off on any of these guys. Like kaz’s last two months?

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Kaz just hadn’t seen that many innings in a long time. Those are hard calls to make, though. It also is team dependent. OAK probably should’ve skipped him a few times to keep him fresh all year knowing he’d only pitched 158 IP in 2013 and none in 2012. Hopefully that’s what the Mets do with Harvey this year.

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Sky: good point on Kazmir, I wonder how he does this year and will he drop on draft day because of how he finished 2014. I havent looked at NFBC data, but does that really apply?

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          Kaz will get drafted at a reasonable price range but not like he pitched early 2014. Maybe he returns big value but I think you’re close to getting face value if you go for him this year.

          NFBC data applies to NFBC data. Every draft is different and NFBC reflects 15 team and large rosters. Don’t see a correlation between it and many league types.

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Sky: tell that to Magoo…don’t tell him. It’s our little secret…like what we did in Eugene…with that….

            • Big Magoo

              Big Magoo says:
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              @J-FOH: NFBC data is really the only reliable ADP data that’s available this early in the offseason, and it also represents the opinions and strategies of some of the most skilled players in the fantasy world. That’s why I reference it fairly frequently.

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Big Magoo: so what you’re saying is you are one of the most skilled players in the fantasy world?

                • Big Magoo

                  Big Magoo says:
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                  @J-FOH: I haven’t contributed to any of that data, so that’s not what I’m saying at all.

                  I am saying that most of the players in that format know what they’re doing. The standard NFBC league has a $150 entry fee, but the buy-ins do vary.

                  The standard Yahoo and Espn leagues are free and contain many players who follow the default rankings. That ADP data isn’t very helpful in competitive leagues.

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Big Magoo: dont get mad bro. I have fielded some NFBC questions that make me wonder why they are playing NFBC

                    • Big Magoo

                      Big Magoo says:
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                      @J-FOH: Don’t have a dog in the fight. Just callin’ it like it is.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      ‘balls…footballs…’ at least 5 times. At one point he started talking about Brady’s preference of his bal…footballs.

  6. J-FOH says:
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    I was having a hard time jumping into the Nic Cage cant act love fest. Had to share on of my favorite lines from my favorite movie he ever did.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Test

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Sky: no its not a test where I laugh at you if you agree.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Not a can’t act fest, an overact fest

      • Big Magoo

        Big Magoo says:
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        @Sky: And that’s where he shines

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Sky: then he was perfect in Valley girl, he didn’t try so hard. Magoo really knew his Vamires Kiss

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          Cage rarely if ever has been subdued. It’s his way. He was great in Kickass

          • Cram It says:
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            @Sky: The Rock is my favorite. Best mix of in your face acting and humor.

            • Sky

              Sky says:
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              I’ve liked Nic in his less over the top roles. Adaptation was great.

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Sky: but Chris Cooper stole the show in that movie. Cage is like that hyer active kid who needs a director to wrangle him in

                • Sky

                  Sky says:
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                  I wouldn’t say he stole it. The movie allowed Nic Cage to do it all. Subdued and over the top (and the over the top was written in so it didn’t seem egregious).

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Sky: Cooper really broke out in that one, fair enough and I hate when you use egregious

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      I hate that you feel my use of egregious is egregious.

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Sky: oh no no no little buddy, I think you are try to sublimminaly get me to draft didi gregorious. See the connection

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      Did I Do It? If so, that would be egregious.

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Sky: egregious gregorious, sounds like a post title

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      He’s a good reason to draft their pitching

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Sky: barely remember that one, only got through half of it

            • Sky

              Sky says:
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              @J-FOH: well if you like comic book movies, you’d like it.

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Sky: you mean like the green lantern

                • Sky

                  Sky says:
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                  If you liked the Green Lantern movie, we can no longer discuss movies.

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Sky: no I didn’t and never even made it past 20 minutes. i would watch daredevil every day of my life for the rest of my life to never have to watch green lantern again. speaking of comic book movies, why do they keep making more spider man movies? Its f-ing stupid. I want some hulk. oh and speaking of hulk, they have been showing reruns of the TV show on the esquire channel and I love it.

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      I think they get lazy and rely too heavily on the flash of the action sequences; 2 was straight sloppy. Sam Raimi’s first Spiderman movie wasn’t all that bad and then it just devolved from there. Did you realize Kenneth Branagh directed the first Thor in 2011? That one was actually pretty good; had it’s own tone, I liked it.

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Sky: I didn’t mind the first Thor, the second one, not so much. I really like both Captain America movies and Guardians of the Galaxy is a new staple in my house, from my daughters love of the soundtrack, her moms love of Star Lords physique and me not complaining when my daughter wants to watch it all the time.

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      Want to but haven’t seen Guardians.

                      Different director for Thor 2 so I’m not surprised. I too liked the Captain America movie (haven’t seen 2 but want to). Continuity such a huge part of sequels (unless the first one sucked, of course).

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Sky: go to the local red box and rent them. I wonder why they changed for Thor 2, before I ever saw it the color palette in the previews turned me off.

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      I don’t remember the previews; I’ll watch it if it hits Netflix. I don’t watch much other than what’s on there.

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Sky: Is it me or has the selection on Netflix gone a little downhill?

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      It’s never been good, if we’re being honest. Usually get the oscar movies because they rarely do well in the box office. Other than that, always a couple of years behind on the big movies. They’re a step up from cable for me but they’re not HBO and the pricepoint reflects that. I don’t have cable so I like what I have. I get to watch 30 for 30 and enjoy it because I don’t have it.

                      Plus I watch my tv there (if I watch any at all). They’ll get better over time; they’re already producing a lot of their own content though I wish they hadn’t with ‘The Killing’. Last season was terrible.

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Sky: seemed like they had more documentaries and more indie flicks a few years back, which is the reason I really enjoyed. Since I have cable it was a nice compliment, and now they show some of the same stuff.

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      Ah for me, as you see why, it doesn’t change anything for me since i don’t get it already.

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      I can’t wait until we see a Netflix original series by Grey on there. The eventuality of a fantasy baseball geek story penned by the Lothario seems inevitable.

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Sky: it will have a cool title like Projections or something. About the yearly life cycle of a fantasy lothario as he still tries to salvage a career writing in Hollywood while living with his cougar and his ridiculously smart and cute dog. I wonder if Kevin James would play me? we can get Martin Starr to play you

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      Love it. Grey, get on this!

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Sky: doppelganger

  7. Wallpaper Paterson says:
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    Undecided if I will play fantasy baseball in 2015. Anyone care to convince me?

      • Wallpaper Paterson says:
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        @J-FOH: Will Sky beat me up if I don’t play?

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          I’m more of a verbal abuse kind of guy

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      It’s like real baseball but you get to draft all the good players (is this working?)

      • Wallpaper Paterson says:
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        @Sky: Can’t play roto anymore. Just do not like it.

        Need to find a good league or just create one.

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          Points or H2H then? I’m sure someone will need a warm body or three

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Wallpaper Paterson: whats wrong with Roto? most skilled of the bunch, if yuo dont like the luck factor then you really wont like H2H. If its a time element thing then play a weekly changes league. If you only love the draft then go NFBC

          • Wallpaper Paterson says:
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            @J-FOH: roto is bad for me because if my team is blowing by Memorial Day, then I will have doomed myself to beating my head against the wall for the final four months. Sure, my fault for drafting a bad team. I just don’t like the whole roto system. H2H, while greatly affected by 2-start pitchers, the MLB schedule and the specific fantasy league schedule, is more enjoyable.

            Points-based leagues can be real screwy with pitchers. If someone could show me a fair scoring system, maybe I could get into it. I’d still like a h2h aspect with it, though.

            In the end, it is not about not liking fantasy baseball. It is that after 14 years of playing (2000-06, 2008-14), I don’t know what the hell type of league is not going to frustrate me.

            My roto experiences in 2013 and 2014 were complete duds. My h2h teams (one each for the past 2 years) each made it to the final before losing due to my SPs being injured or shut down during finals week.

            • J-FOH says:
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              @Wallpaper Paterson: I dont buy the quitting after two months bull. I have been in dead last and won leagues by never quitting. If you can be in 8th in two months then you can also rise to first in another two months.

            • Cram It says:
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              @Wallpaper Paterson: Do auction, so you can at least draft a team of guys you want/like. If the ship sinks, you went down with your guys and your strategy.

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Cram It: good point, but not quitting is key to playing

                • Wallpaper Paterson says:
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                  @J-FOH: I never quit in any league and felt like a dumbass (a good effort, honorable one but a dumbass nonetheless) for keeping at it. Through the years, I have played in about 10 roto leagues where my team was garbage by Memorial Day. One moved up from 12th to 7th. The others continued to suck.

                  The roto leagues where I was good? I was good by Memorial Day,

                  If you don’t know people in the league and don’t need to be honorable or don’t care to be, then you might as well close up shop and move on to other things. People do this too. In the RCLs I ran, multiple owners with struggling teams stopped playing in June or July.

    • The Harrow says:
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      @Wallpaper Paterson: didn’t you pull similar thing on football either this year or last year?

      • Wallpaper Paterson says:
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        @The Harrow: Yes, played in only one football league in 2014. Will play in two in 2015.

  8. Dawtcommish says:
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    To whom it may concern, Should I sell high on any of these players in my farm system: Betts BOS, Peraza ATL, Baez CHC, Bogaerts BOS, Pederson LAD, Winker CIN?
    Reply

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Not sure what ‘sell high’ means. Pretty broad question. Would be more important what you’re getting in return. All young guys are trade-worthy at the right price.

    • The Harrow says:
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      @Dawtcommish: you appear to be asking which guys are at higher value now than they will be at later dates. problem with those guys is they are all high ranked prospects, so there’s little to go on knowing which ones won’t pan out vs which will, if any, however, one way to go about that is to see what their variability (risk) ratings would suggest. BA does do those, ranking people according to their risk, in addition to their 0-80 score. If that is what you are looking for, Winker/Peraza are probably highest risk compared to 0-80 value. They have Baez’s risk quite low, which almost has to be due to his D or general athleticism, since clearly his K problems seem to be to make him a huge risk.

  9. Colonel Angus says:
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    12 team dynasty league with 12 keepers and 5 minors keepers. I’ve been trying to acquire Syndergaard but the owner is turning down every offer. He finally sent me an offer of Jay Bruce and Syndergaard for Manny Machado. What say you?

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Sounds reasonable to me if you really want Syndergaard but I’d prefer to keep Machado in a dynasty there.

  10. Ante GALIC says:
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    Sky!

    Awesome read, man! I love drafting NL pitchers and AL hitters in my mixed H2H seasonal leagues. It never gets boring.

    What do you make of Doolittle’s injury? Looks like he’s toast which only re-inforces your idea that a good closer should be drafted early and before the first SP.

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      @Ante GALIC: Well, injuries are hard to predict. I was simply saying a guy like Kimbrel/Jansen/Chapman are nice to have. I’ve always had good luck with my late round pitching gets so it plays a factor in my thinking. For a closer the start of the year, it’s always worrisome, especially when he doesn’t have a long history under his belt. Clippard performs and Doolittle is late to return, he could be out as closer. Nature of the beast.

      • Ante GALIC says:
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        @Sky: Ty, man. sry for the late entry.

        Cheers,
        Ante

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          It’s never too late to ask a question, my man…ok it is when the post no longer allows them but you get what I’m saying. Have a good one!

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