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The royal we already went over all the hitters for 2017 fantasy baseball rankings.  That’s not the “royal we” as that term usually implies.  It was me writing it alone while wearing a Burger King crown.  I refuse to draft a top starter where they are usually drafted.  Unlike hitters, you need six starters, depending on your league depth.  Simple math tells us there’s plenty of starters to go around.  Simple Math also says, “Stop putting words in my mouth!”  In most leagues, there’s a ton of pitchers on waivers that can help you — all year.  Not just in April, and then they disappear.  With the help of the Stream-o-Nator, you can get by with, say, three starters while streaming the rest.  There’s also the fact that three stats by starters are difficult to predict due to luck.  Wins, ERA and WHIP are prone to shift due to which way the ball bounces and whether or not the guys behind the pitchers can score runs.  Finally, the best starters can give you four categories.  The best hitters can give you five categories.  As always, where I see tiers starting and stopping are included and my projections.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 starters for 2017 fantasy baseball:

1. Clayton Kershaw –  This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Sale.  I call this tier, “Security blankets are for bouncers who are chilly.”  This is a refresher for noobs, which I believe is spelled with two zeroes.  I’ve gone over this before, but it bears repeating like a hairy gay man from San Francisco who stutters.  If you own Kershaw or any of the guys in this tier, you’re drafting scared.  You’re scared to go into the season without a number one starter.  You’re afraid that if you don’t have an ace you’ll never find a starter off waivers or your later picks won’t pan out.  You’re chicken, as Biff would say, because there’s more pitchers than Michael J. Fox can shake a stick at.  The only people that draft a top starter want a security blanket.  They want to feel like they’re pitching staff is safe.  They want to feel nuzzled like a bug in an alpaca rug.  If you would’ve owned Kyle Hendricks, Tanner Roark, Aaron Sanchez, Drew Pomeranz, Danny Duffy and David Price last year, your ERA would’ve been 3.15 in 1173 1/3 IP.  And that would’ve been in spite of your top pitcher drafted, David Price!  Without Price, your ERA would’ve been 2.94!  Sure, I’m cherrypicking guys from last year…Just like you could’ve cherrypicked any of them off waivers in your league or drafted them way later than the top 20.  Not one of the guys I mentioned I told you to avoid either, except Price.  In some leagues, you could do fine NOT drafting ANY starters.  Yes, I brought out the caps.  I’m not only talking about H2H leagues where you can carry only relievers.  I’m talking 10 or 12-team roto leagues where you can stream starters.  Maybe you own one starter and stream five spots.  Maybe you own two guys and stream four spots.  Maybe you drink seven cups of coffee and stream all day.  Even if you want to draft an entire rotation and hold them (or try to), you don’t need a guy from this tier.  There’s plenty of options later to fill out your rotation so you’re competitive in leagues where you can’t stream.  I’m not suggesting you Reggie Roby starters.  I’m telling you to Reggie Roby top starters.  Concentrate on your hitting while these guys are being drafted.  As for Kershaw, he’s great, yadda3. 2017 Projections: 19-6/2.44/0.95/261 in 222 IP

2. Max Scherzer – At 32 years of age, he got better.  His best K-rate of his career and his highest fastball velocity on average at 94.3 MPH.  Too bad The Freak nickname was wasted on Lincecum.  Since Scherzer grew up in a house that watched a lot of Jeopardy!, and since the host of Jeopardy!, whose name won’t be spoken until he grows back his mustache, is French Canadian, maybe we should call Scherzer “Le Freak.”  Maybe that’s too much explanation for a nickname.  I don’t know, these are not questions but ponderings.   Or as his manager, Dusty Baker would say, “It’s the ninth inning, can you throw a few more?”  2017 Projections:  18-7/2.51/0.96/270 in 225 IP

3. Madison Bumgarner – I realize that I can’t say every year that Bumgarner is going to break down due to innings, then eventually take credit for predicting it when he finally does after being wrong about him breaking down for three straight years.  That doesn’t exclude me from using that as rational for avoiding him.  If Bumgarner was regularly being underdrafted, I might even draft him myself, because his numbers don’t scream that the end is nigh.  By the way, if you ever go into the nude hosiery business, you should call them, Nigh Highs.  I won’t be manufacturing pantyhose any time soon, so you can have the name.  2017 Projections:  17-9/2.78/1.04/232 in 218 IP

4. Chris Sale – Here’s what I said this offseason, “Red Sox made a huge splash yesterday trading away Yoan Moncada, Luis Alexander Basabe, Victor Diaz and Michael Kopech for Chris Sale.  Red Sox must be appealing to Bernie Sanders with their rotation: two lefties named Sale and Price.  Dave Dombrowski sure does love to trade away his top prospects.  Dombrowski buys 10 copies of Baseball Prospectus every year, crosses out the ‘u,’ and barters them for two cartridges of Nintendo Baseball Stars.  Dombrowski used to have four young kids, until he traded them to a Mormon family for an honors student three months from graduating high school.  Dombrowski dreams of finding the Fountain of Youth so he can trade it for a veteran fountain.  I’m not going to compare Sale to Price even if the Jew in me wants to talk wholesale.  Price had concerning stats going into last year and is older.  Of course, some of Price’s concerning stats were a lower K-rate and a falling velocity on his fastball, which are two warning signs with Sale too.  Okay, maybe I will compare the two.  Sale’s fastball velocity went from 94.5 MPH to 92.8 MPH, while relying on it 7% more of the time.  You’re a big-time Razzball noob — Razzboob? — if you think I’m going to suggest you draft an ace, and Sale is no different.  I’m not about to say he’s going to fall off, but declining velocity, K-rate and rising xFIP is not an ace I’d be excited about.”  And that’s me quoting me!  2017 Projections:  18-8/3.31/1.08/244 in 225 IP

5. Noah Syndergaard – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Lester.  I call this tier, “2500 Jokes To Start A Toast!”  The first joke is, “They said I needed to give a toast tonight, so I brought a loaf of bread.”  The 2nd toast is, “Pumpernickel.”  Third toast, “Some poor sucker drafted an ace.  What a joke!”  This tier is another tier of pitchers I won’t be drafting, but, unlike the first tier, and this is where my logic gets twisted, I don’t like this tier.  Yes, I didn’t want to draft the first tier, but I did like them, i.e., I liked them, but didn’t like them.  If I were to draft a top tier ace, I would’ve drafted from the first tier.  This tier is filled with guys that I wouldn’t draft even if I drafted top SPs, i.e., I don’t want them and I don’t like them.  As for Syndergaard, “She’ll let you in her house….If you come knockin’ late at night…. First class used to be a better seat, but now, eight-pound-head kid, it’s a better life….Except for those two in the front row talking about getting engaged while they fight…..”  Sorry, I see Syndergaard and I immediately think Secret Garden by Springsteen (Jerry Maguire remix, of course).  So, do I love that Syndergaard has a bone spur in his elbow?  No.  Do I plan on drafting him?  Nuh-uh.  So, it doesn’t really matter if I rank him 5th or 23rd.  2017 Projections:  16-7/2.67/1.05/235 in 203 IP

6. Jake Arrieta – I can’t find positives in Arrieta’s line, and almost dropped him out of the top 20, but it’s lip service where he’s ranked.  I don’t want him.  He lost a mile on his fastball, which he threw 10% more because he lost the feel for his slider.  He had a 3.68 xFIP and his walk rate went up from 1.9 to 3.5.  Um, that’s awful.  Oh, yeah, he’s also going to be 31 years old.  Yeah, Arrieta’s trash, but I guess you gotta rank him somewhere.  2017 Projections:  17-10/2.98/1.06/196 in 205 IP

7. Jon Lester – Look at his last four years:  3.75 ERA, 2.46 ERA, 3.34 ERA, 2.44 ERA.  We’re in an odd year.  It’s all Saberhagenmetrics.  Okay, it’s not all Saberhagenmetrics.  His BABIP was artificially low last year, and his xFIP was 3.47.  His K/9 dipped below 9 for the first time in three years and his walk rate went up.  A lot of his value last year came from 19 wins, which likely won’t change much with the Cubs, but even if it falls to 16 wins and 3.50 ERA, it’s not nearly as interesting.  Don’t draft him and put yourself in a hole.  A hole?  Yes, you are.  Now avoid.  A void?  Yes, another name for a hole!  2017 Projections:  16-9/3.35/1.10/206 in 210 IP

8. Justin Verlander – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Cueto.  I call this tier, “I have illusions of drafting these guys, maybe they’re delusions, or is it allusions?”  I’m writing this post in January, and I don’t know where most are ranking or drafting anyone.  If Verlander (or Kluber or Cueto or Darvish) is (are) available, then I’ll grab him (one of them).   I believe that Verlander is back to a dominant ace he was:  9+ K/9, 2.80-3.10 ERA, having the baddest bitch there is:

Verlander doesn’t make me vehemently disgusted, which I’m surprised about, but I don’t know what vehemently means so maybe.  Does it mean opposite of disgusted?  Because then I’m vehement, which is my favorite type of after dinner mint.  Verlander is 34 years old so I’m not paying a huge cost to get him, but, if he’s around for the right price, I’m in.  My guess is, he’ll be gone before I have a chance for him.  2017 Projections:  15-10/3.31/1.05/220 in 217 IP

9. Corey Kluber – When the rain just stops, you can open a window and see a rainbow.  That rainbow is Kluber farting, because all he does is beautiful.  Kluber is so special, he makes the word ‘pubes’ sound less gross because it sounds almost like Klubes.   If you’re not sure about Kluber, then you likely didn’t watch the playoffs.  Or ever see a rainbow.  Or hear the word pubes.  2017 Projections:  17-10/3.36/1.08/229 in 220 IP

10. Yu Darvish – There is a legit chance I own Darvish, and on multiple teams.  I believe this, and I don’t think I’m completely deluding myself.  I think there’s a real possibility to grab him.  I hope so, because if anyone can go from a starter outside the top ten to the number one pitcher drafted next year, it’s Darvish.  Yeah, I said it.  I think Darvish can replace Kershaw next year as the first pitcher off the board.  I legit think there’s a chance here for Darvish to have a 2.50 ERA and 250 Ks for the 250 double-double with no decimals!  Darvish does have a certain air of Giancarlo to him too.  In other words, everything needs to come together for Darvish health-wise and it never seems to happen that way.  Here’s hoping this is the year!  2017 Projections:  15-5/3.04/1.15/239 in 201 IP

11. Johnny Cueto – You say to me, “Unkie Grey, what does a pitcher look like that goes to the NL West?”  I say, “Cueto went from 3.44 ERA to 2.79 and 7.5 K/9 to 8.1.”  You say, “Unkie Grey, what about Samardzija?”  I say, “I’m not your uncle, kid.  Get out of here!”  2017 Projections:  16-10/3.04/1.11/192 in 210 IP

12. Carlos Carrasco – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Martinez.  I call this tier, “Slowly remove the hand from under your bun and click yo’ mouse.”  It’s time, guys and five girl readers.  We’ve waited long enough now.  You can start drafting to your heart’s desire.  Actually, not true.  Draft one of these guys.  In the days that follow, I’ll have a pitchers’ pairings post to help you draft an entire staff.  By the way, the only people who have ever said ‘in the days that follow’ in real life have been boring professors.  Borfessors?  As for Carrasco, in a freak accident last year, he broke a bone in his hand.  This doesn’t concern me at all.  If anything, it could be considered a good thing because it shut him down early and he didn’t need to throw more innings in the playoffs.  I’m in on the guys in this tier hard, and I don’t think I’m being daft.   Though, Grey being daft is actually always a possibility.  “Did he tell us to draft Brett Lawrie six years in a row?”  “Grey being daft.”  “Did he really rank Price all the way down there?”  “Daft.” “Did he really use hydrogen peroxide after he shaved?”  “Dafter shave.”  This is something I see just about every year.  Players (hitters too) break out and no one drafts them like they should.  Instead, people will either draft guys they know — Price — or guys that just had a career year — Porcello.  I think there’s a certain element to drafting that people don’t want to look stupid.  You’re in a draft with your friends, or at least people you pretend to like, and it’s your turn to draft.  You then draft Price in front of Carrasco because you’re afraid of being mocked by people not as smart as yourself.  I don’t know, it’s a working theory.  If Carrasco pitches 220 IP, he will be a top 5 starter.  2017 Projections:  15-9/3.28/1.13/192 in 190 IP

13. Chris Archer – How’s that Texas expression go?  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice and I can’t believe I’m drafting Chris Archer again?  While living through the massacre that was Archer last year, and it was a massacre — only thing that was missing was a wall with redrum written in Puig’s blood — I figured there was no way I’d draft Archer again.  I was out, as they say.  I don’t know who they are but they’re succinct.  Now, the wounds have healed and I’ve come to kiss the ring of a guy that has a 10+ K/9.   May the regress he made last year not lead to further regrets this year.  Turn of a phrase points!  2017 Projections:  13-12/3.33/1.17/225 in 200 IP

14. Carlos Martinez – Ya know, this tier of pitchers was good last year.  Sure, Archer’s ERA mucked up your team, only with an F, but he was still a top 40 starter last year.  C-Mart, on the other hand (or feet, if you prefer), was a top 20 starter last year.  That some people don’t realize that is not my fault.  The garbage overflowing in my bathroom waste bin is my fault, according to Cougs, but that’s all I’m taking credit for here.  2017 Projections:  15-10/3.17/1.19/193 in 205 IP

15. Jacob deGrom – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Strasburg.  I call this tier, “Avoid.”  I’m sorry, but this tier name is so self-explanatory it makes my teeth hurt.  My teeth hurt when I read truth.  Weird phenomenon, it’s called truth decay.  Truthpaste is the only cure.  Flossing helps though.  So, nothing against the Mets and their starters, but when I Google a pitcher’s name in January and I read, “Arm is feeling better, he can almost put on his own pants,” I get worried.  DeGrom has already undergone a Tommy John surgery (2010) and had ulnar nerve surgery in September, which has a timetable of three to six months.  He has one setback in April and he’s not going to be pitching all year and then ESPN will have a 30 for 30 in ten years called, “Syndergaard, deGrom, Harvey:  Why Mr. Met Has A Teardrop Tattoo.”  2017 Projections:  13-10/3.12/1.15/191 in 194 IP

16. Stephen Strasburg – He has a partial tear in his elbow.  It’s a pronator tendon that’s torn.  WebMD says, “Pronator tendon is used mostly by pitchers and people who are calling someone a jerk-off, using the masturbator motion.”  If you think it’s a good idea to draft Strasburg, I’m using my pronator tendon to motion in your direction.  Strasburg has a torn elbow tendon; he has Dusty Baker as his manager; Strasburg can’t learn to throw lefty by April.  As the saying that no one’s heard before goes, if you draft, you R daft.  2017 Projections:  12-9/3.55/1.10/190 in 163 IP

17. Danny Duffy – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Cole.  I call this tier, “Buckle up, I’m creating turbulence.”  I didn’t forget Kyle Hendricks, Greinke, and scores of other guys.  They’ll be in the top 40.  Actually, if you see a top 20 starter list with Greinke, you should find a new source.  I’m not saying you have to use my rankings, but you really have to second guess anyone that puts Greinke in the top 20.  People will see my rankings and they’ll get turned off.  Let them go.  You know why they’re turned off?  They’re scared.  They don’t know these guys.  ESPN hasn’t put them on the cover of their magazine so they must not be top twenty starters.  Sorry, man and five womans, Duffy is this good.  His K/9 and walk rate last year were 9.4 and 2.1.  Pitchers don’t last that long.  Most of them, at least.  Sure, some have long, Hall of Fame careers, but most have three to four years where they’re dominant.  Duffy entered that time last year and will continue it into 2017.  2017 Projections:  13-10/3.45/1.15/201 in 195 IP

18. Kenta Maeda – This ranking is actually not that crazy for most ‘perts.  This is crazy because of who I am, because of how I roll.  (I really should have staged readings of my posts.  Bryan Cranston could make these words sing.)   I could see a lot of people ranking Maeda high.  Likely not higher than, say, Tanaka, but that’s why they’re stunods and I’m not.  So, why am I being aggressive on Maeda while everyone else is too instead of zigging where they’re zagging?  Or am I zagging and they’re zigging?  Are we both zigging?  Any hoo!  Maeda has the twelfth best swinging strike rate.  If a guy is getting swings and misses, it’s hard to hit them.  This should excite you.  If they’re doing it in the NL West, it should further tingle your nuggets.  If they’re doing it at 28 years old with a 2.6 BB, you should be on the ‘Yes, please,’ train going to Dirty-Thoughts-About-Your-Arm-Ville.  2017 Projections:   15-7/3.39/1.13/198 in 195 IP

19. Danny Salazar – A bit of a leap of faith here.  Salazar had a forearm strain at the end of last year, which is often a precursor for, “I’m so effin’ effed, my fantasy pitchers are all hurt!”  For a second, we should consider how the pitchers feel when they get hurt.  Meh, who cares.  Salazar’s forearm strain was considered mild, which, again, I wouldn’t trust.  Don’t trust injury news ever.  However, and this is a Gilbert Grape’s mom-sized however, Salazar returned in the playoffs, and looked fine.  Plus, that was five months ago, so I think Salazar dodged a bullet.  I can understand getting cold feet with him, but put on some slippers and draft him!  2017 Projections: 14-10/3.44/1.15/201 in 180 IP

20. Gerrit Cole – We’re giving Cole a bye on his previous season.  I don’t know why a 95 MPH fastball guy was only a 3.88 ERA guy while striking out only 7.6 guys per nine innings, but I’m overlooking it.  (Not true, I know why.  Or at least have a reasonable guess.  He was hurt.  He had inflammation in his elbow.  No, this isn’t good, but– Wait, can we get out of this parenthesis so I can just talk to you?  Thanks.)  Elbow pain is bad, but six months of rest and he supposedly has no ligament damage.  Like I said, he was still throwing 95 MPH, so I’m assuming a bit here, but he couldn’t have been that bad off.  His command was wonky and that seemed to be his biggest issue.  So, he couldn’t locate anything and he still had a 7.6 K/9 and a 3.88 ERA?  Sounds better now, right?  2017 Projections:  15-10/3.45/1.14/188 in 193 IP

To continue the starter rankings, click –> top 40 starters for 2017 fantasy baseball

   
  1. henncoop says:
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    Oh happy day the SP rankings…plus a slow night shift to read them. The sunshine is here is upon us even though even though it’s just 3AM

    • Bob Florence says:
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      @henncoop: Help me.I have a real tuff call in a standard yahoo (5 by 5) league in which we can keep 5 players. I have trout,betts,Springer,verlander,thor,Freeman.. Which player do I cut Grey? Is cutting Springer the way to go? sounds nuts, but having my OF filled going into the draft hurts.. thanks

  2. Boris says:
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    Hi, Grey

    Thanks for your post!!
    Could you help me pick 10 of my keeper list? (Roto league)

    Kris Bryant
    Miggy
    Corey Seager
    Gregory Polanco
    David Price
    Tanaka
    Archer
    Gary Sanchez
    Andrew Miller
    Danny Salazar
    Anthony Rendon
    Javier Baez

    Salazar or Rendon?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Boris: I have them both above Tanaka

  3. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!

    Great post, lots of wise advice herein contained.

    a. Started watching….http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3708886/…I liked it just as much as I liked watching…..http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4139124/…Which do you prefer?

    b. I’m gonna love Yu long time. He’s always been sexy but this year it could get even better.

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Grey

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      @Ante GALIC: A. Haven’t seen either… I wanted to see Keanu B. Yup

      • Ante GALIC says:
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        @Grey: Grey!

        a. Both movies are whatever. Just LOL scenes and then some stuff which is neither here nor there. The plot in both movies is pretty obvious from the get-go! Definitely nothing like this movie….http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112817/….which I love immensely.

        b. Great BK reference! This post beats their new 2 for 10$ deal – 2 whoppers, 2 sets of fries and 2 drinks, perfect date material for that special someone!

        c. Work is so-so, it’ll pick up soon. I’m sure. Or it won’t I heard that the Donald cut the US contributions to the UN by 40% from someone but have not been able to confirm it anywhere in Google!! GAAAAAAA! If it’s true, then next year we will have to drastically cut back our operations. Some in our organization say it’ll be good because then we will REALLY have to prioritize.

        d. However, looking at the way our annual budget has increased from the famous 1B$ (USD) in 2001, (it was a record-breaker and every year after was also hence a record-breaker) to over 8B$ for 2016 I was asking out loud – there is no way that kind of budget increase will continue. Like something’s got to give, either we reduce our budget (this was me quoting me before the Donald won the elections) or we reduce the number of situations we are trying to save or we reduce the number of staff members or something. That kind of budget growth with no substance is kind of like the love that some guys have for Cutch22 or others that will not provide a similar return on your investment. Right?

        e. Maybe I can coin a Razzball phrase out of it like UNHCR-budget-increaseitis!! (the increasing growth of player salaries without any substance behind the decision). But then you’d really have to follow all this junk I just wrote. Wouldn’t work. Better luck next time, Jimmy Jammer!

        Cheers,
        Ante

        • Grey

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          A. Shame Keanu’s not better, I really like Key/Peele’s show B. Ha C. That means less Mercedes emblem donkeys! D. Yeah, needed to level off, I assume E. HA!

  4. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Heyo! Really loving these rankings, and it’s definitely looking like I’ll have Duffy and Maeda everywhere.

    1. Lester’s #7 ranking is very bittersweet! Re our keeper trade chat yesterday of liking the Desmond ($9) and Lester ($25) side a lot more than Kershaw ($30), am I right to say that, from the Razzball perspective, that trade could be summarized basically as;

    “a Top 20 bat plus a random top 10 SP who we don’t really need” vs “another more expensive top 10 SP who we don’t really need”

    2. I assume you still like the $25 Lester and $9 Desmond over $12 Degrom and $10 Just Dong as keepers?

    3. Would you prefer any (or all) of the following keeper pitchers over $25 Lester?

    $18 darvish
    $9 Duffy
    $16 Maeda

    Thanks! Looking forward to the top 40 when we really start to get crazy.

    • Cram It says:
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      @Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: I’d take all of those pitchers over Lester. They’re younger, probably better long term and cheaper!

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Cram It: Hoping you’d say that! My ultimate goal is to turn one of those guys into a $10 JD Martinez (giving me $9 Desmond and JD Mart for my $30 Kershaw), but if I can’t pull that JD prong off, want to make sure I’m getting the best keeper pitcher!

        Thanks.

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: Thanks!

        Will do the Yu trade + hopefully be able to flip him for some bat like Odor; JD.

        Always appreciate the general “why you don’t need a top 10 SP” pep talk . . . I know it’s true, but always good to have it hammered home as a reminder when in doubt!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  5. Jason says:
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    Hey Grey,

    New to razzball, your posts are like Crack! Thanks for opening my eyes to the matrix morpheus!

    My question has to do with roster assembly. I think in your ss post you said you’ll prolly be taking 1 or 2 bench and then here you said 6 SP.

    My league is 12 team 5×5 H2H 22 roster spots . 1 ea at the infield pos. 3 OF 1 UT then 3 sp 2 RP 3 P. So by my math that leaves 5 slots for RP. I normally grab 3 RP 8 sp and stream a few sp slots.

    How would you generally architect the framework based on my league settings? Thanks for all the hard work you do! Cheers!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jason: Ha, no problem! H2H is a different beast, you should have a bench bat and 4 streaming spots for RPs and SPs

      • Jason says:
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        @Grey:

        Thanks Grey! Does H2H change how you’d be ranking your players by a significant amount or should I not be worried and stick to your gameplan?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Stick to my gameplan

          • Jason says:
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            @Grey:

            Thanks Grey! Does H2H change how you’d be ranking your players by a significant amount or should I not be worried and stick to your [email protected]Grey:

            Thanks, in the mocks I’ve done for my 10 team draft you’ve made it way too easy. I’ve been getting Bryant Correa Freeman odor desmond darvish in the first 6 rds…. crazy

            • Jason says:
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              @Jason:

              Inot my 12 team odor is a keeper so I’ll be going after schoop late. I love it when a plan comes together!

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                Ha

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              No problem…. That is crazy

  6. Racehorse says:
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    “In the days that follow, I’ll have a pitchers’ pairings post to help you draft an entire staff. ”

    hubba hubba!

    [no question, just showing my anticipation]

  7. Tigres says:
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    Yay!

  8. #BlackmonMatters says:
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    Hey Grey,

    So you have deGrom as your number 7 sp, but he is in a tier that says you won’t draft him. Right now he’s coming off the board as the 18th sp according to nfbc. Why do you have him ranked so high but won’t be drafting him?

    Thanks!

    • And Now the Jon Lovitz Dancers! says:
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      @#BlackmonMatters: probably due to being that good if somehow healthy.

  9. miyata says:
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    Hi, Grey

    Thanks for your post!

    If I have the last spot, who is the better choice?
    Anthony Rendon or Danny Salazar

  10. Utz says:
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    Since the Jamie Garcia trade, do you see increased counting stats for Alex Reyes since your post back in November or will he stay at those projections?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Utz: He pitched 110 IP last year, for his arm’s sake he better not pitch more… He has no rotation spot right now either

  11. Rudy says:
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    SP rankings = razz-boner!!

  12. M says:
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    Although Arrieta has bad peripherals “under the hood” like the Xfip and losing a mile off his fastball and may not benefit from a great babip and as good of a defense. behind him in 2016, supposedly Arrieta said he was losing feel for his cutter and mechanics as a whole last year. If he regains the feel of his 2015 mechanics, do you think he rebounds to post say a 2.50-2.75 ERA?

    Also in a 15 team roto league would you rather have Arrieta for $25 or Duffy for $20?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @M: I’d take Duffy

      • M says:
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        @Grey: so essentially 2017 Arrieta is 2016 King Felix?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Si

        • And Now the Jon Lovitz Dancers! says:
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          @M: probably not quite that bad though.

  13. Manny says:
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    What’s funny is that based on your own projections, it can be argued that Maeda’s stats are actually better than the handful of pitchers above him. Based on just the projected numbers you have I would put him at 13 behind Cueto.

    • Cram It says:
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      @Manny: Rankings throughout aren’t solely based on the statistical projections he posts.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Manny: Guys above him are safer

  14. DonnieB says:
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    If you are in a 15 team NFBC draft, does it change your position on drafting SP? Particularly if you have a locked 50 player roster? Even a 30 player 15 team draft leaves little room for great steaming. Would you draft more “safety” or would you take your chances with waiting a few rounds on starting pitcher? Often times 5-6 SP are drafted in top 20 or so picks. Thoughts?

    • Cram It says:
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      @DonnieB: It does change the strategy, due to what you said, that you can’t pick up players to stream.

    • Big Odio says:
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      @DonnieB: yes it changes a lot. Our former writer the Big Magoo was an NFBC mainstay and he always recommended the ace in that format…don’t listen to grey on nfbc

      • DonnieB says:
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        Don’t listen to Grey? Never!

        • Big Odio says:
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          @DonnieB: For nfbc and pitchers you are in a weekly lock. Which means you are stuck for the week and with the limited faab budget your streaming will be a lot different. If you play your cards right and don’t blow your load early you can stream somewhat down the stretch when a lot of teams are out of bid dollars. When it comes to arms, aces can be key. Greys overall ranks will not help you with nfbc pitching values. His lean more towards the daily moves style of play. I’ve been involved in it for two years and let me tell you, no ace is no bueno.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @DonnieB: Yeah, you have to draft an ace, you can’t rely on streaming… Doesn’t change which pitchers I actually like though… I’d still wait until Verlander to start drafting SPs

    • And Now the Jon Lovitz Dancers! says:
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      @DonnieB: at the very least 15 teamers (esp weeklies vs dailies) are inherently different than 12 teamers. Grey’s rankings are ALWAYS (and always have been) for 12 teamers, particularly RCL’s (notice his “you only need 3 SP” line)

  15. A TreaTur Among Us says:
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    Really torn being a Nats fan and having to decide whether to keep Strasburg or Carrasco in a 14-Team H2H OBP League. Tell me it’s okay to let Stras go…if he loves me he’ll come back, right? Most likely, he’ll come back to me next year at a major discount when he spends half this year on the DL.

  16. Dr Y says:
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    thank you for the rankings. great job.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Dr Y: Thanks!

  17. Boomer19 says:
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    It’s a beautiful day when the pitching posts come out. And I love that we like the same arms. I can slot Duffy in as an rp (in my 14 team 5×5 roto league) which has a lot of value as we need 5 relievers. Should I keep him over Carrasco in this format? Thanks.

  18. Packers says:
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    I’ve been following your advice for 3 years now. I’ve won several leagues thanks to you. I play in 9 to 10 leagues thou so that increases the odds. They are all weekly lineup sets. They are also 6×6 with OPS and net wins as the extra categories. So 4 of the pitching stats are hard to predict, then I have saves and K’s. Last year drafting Archer, Pineda, Ray types won me the K’s. I do well with saves also. So I get my bats first like you suggest.
    1.
    You mention streaming quite a bit but are you talking daily or can I consider streaming in weekly leagues?
    I do subscribe to “son” and that helps because my reserves are mostly starting pitchers.

    2. Would you draft any different in a weekly format.

    • peacecoast says:
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      @Packers: Grey plays a lot in RCL’s and they have daily moves with no limits. So they can stream a lot, ask him how many moves he makes a year in those leagues. I also play in a daily lineup but weekly transaction league so I have to parse some of this info and recs here for my own purposes.

      Hard to stream in a weekly league unless you are going for two start pitchers.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Packers: 1. Can’t stream in weekly leagues the same way… You need to stream on Sundays for following week 2. I’d push it to Duffy to draft in daily leagues, in weekly leagues, I’d make sure I had someone in Verlander’s tier

  19. Five-On-One says:
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    Mr. Grey – Thank you for the rankings and the blurbs that are fun to read! A couple of questions for you (only one with respect to SPs):

    1) In a league with weekly line-ups, where it is not as easy to stream, does your philosophy on drafting (buying in an auction) SPs change at all?

    2) In a league with 2 catcher slots, does your philosophy on drafting (buying in an auction) catchers change at all?

    Thanks again for the daily entertainment.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Five-On-One: 1. See comment directly above you 2. Yeah, you need one decent catcher, say top 5

  20. Sweatpants Nation says:
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    Great right up.
    So to summarize: You like every pitcher in this top 20 EXCEPT the Thor group because they are too risky to draft that high (projections are best case scenerio, they stay healthy etc) and Price and Stras (for basicaly the same reason)?
    I like the overall approach you take to pitchers. Last year saw so many expensive guys under perform their cost for one reason or another- Cole, deGrom, Greinke, Archer, Stras et al (not the airline)

  21. Joe says:
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    Yes, finally! Top 20 SP, woohoo! Best SP rankings out there! Awesome job!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Joe: Thanks!

  22. Chocolate Chip Pancakes says:
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    Great start to the pitching ranks. Hoping you can share some wisdom. I’m in an 11-team $260 AL-only where around 20 of the top 25 pitchers will be kept going into the auction. I happen to own Kluber, Verlander and Fulmer for a grand total of $65. It’s more than I typically like to spend on starting pitching, yet I’m guaranteed to have the best pitching going into the season, possibly by a fair amount. Do I enjoy this competitive edge, sit back and get ready for opening day, or should I consider trading one of the three arms right now to exploit another team’s desperation? Thanks.

    • Cram It says:
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      @Chocolate Chip Pancakes: Trading should always be considered if you can improve your team, wherever, whenever, with whoever.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Chocolate Chip Pancakes: Agree with Cram, but I’d like hold and spend all my $ on hitters, you definitely don’t need more pitching other than fill-in guys

  23. Prettaaay, Prettaaay, Prettaaay, Pretty Good says:
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    Grey,

    Of all your rankings, I rely most heavily on your SP rankings. It took me a few years to come to terms with your idea that you don’t need an ace, but after a few years of success without one, I am now happily drinking the kool-aid.

    Question for you on Archer: In our league I can keep him at a reasonable price $15 (Last year Strassburg, Scherzer, Price, Sale, etc. went for around $30-$35 due to keepers, inflation, blah blah).

    The twist is that if I keep him, I can’t drop him without taking the salary cap hit. So… is Archer’s upside enough to take on that additional risk?

  24. peacecoast says:
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    Red Sox must be appealing to Bernie Sanders with their rotation: two lefties named Sale and Price

    You do know you are a comedic genius right?

  25. Old School Brother says:
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    Agree about Yu… he’s finally far enough away from his TJ surgery to be dominant, and on top of that its a walk year. at least 230 K’s for him this year

  26. The Eye of Horus says:
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    In a dynasty, would you consider trading away Kluber for McCullers +Giolito (and maybe a draft pick)? I also have Carrasco, Tanaka, Rodon.

    Thanks!

    • The Eye of Horus says:
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      @The Eye of Horus: By the way, if you are enjoying your Brit crime dramas, you really ought to watch Luther if you haven’t already.

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        @The Eye of Horus: You need to watch Line of Duty…. (I’ve seen Luther, I loved it) I’d hold Kluber

        • The Eye of Horus says:
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          @Grey: Thanks. By the way, have you seen Wolf Hall? Totally, totally, different. Brilliant acting. Troubles when troubles were heresy and papal annulments. I’m a big Brit TV historical series fan, and WH rocks my world. Not for all, though.

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Oh, you have to watch Line of Duty if you’re a Brit TV guy, then watch Scott & Bailey…. I saw Wolf Hall, pretty dry, but well-acted and much more interesting than it had any right to be

  27. jon says:
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    Hey Grey.

    Just wanted your thoughts on my squad. this is a 10 team keeper. Keep 20, the following is who I kept.

    Votto
    Abreu
    Dozier
    Seager
    Seager
    Lamb
    Betts
    Springer
    Polanco
    Benintendi
    Puig
    Albies

    MadBum
    Carrasco
    Gerrit Cole
    Quintana
    Rodon
    Jansen
    Diaz
    S. Dyson
    Cody Allen
    Jose De Leon

    I’m thinking my pitching is a little weak due to JOFER16 departing R.I.P.

    Any bats i should sell high on for pitching or just take pitchers in the re-draft.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @jon: Your pitching doesn’t look weak… It looks very solid… Your hitting might be weak on power, not bad though

  28. Silly Mo Pena says:
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    Better keeper league combo:

    Arrieta/Paxton or Scherzer/Velasquez

  29. JR says:
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    Great stuff Grey! I’ve followed your rankings the last three years and have come in 3rd, 1st and 2nd in my 12 team h2h dynasty league. Much thanks for your help!

    The league I’m in changed quite a bit this offseason. We dropped 2 teams, so now 10 teams h2h. The pitching stats also changed quite a bit. We now have QS, ERA, WHIP, K/9, BB/9 and NSV+H. Rosters are 28 man, and most people carry maybe 2 or 3 bench bats and a ton of pitchers. Would you change your approach to pitching in a league like this? There is a 50IP minimum so can’t go all RP…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @JR: You need better pitching than you used to draft… You need an ace and high end RPs, a great MR would work

  30. Sideshow27 says:
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    was hoping to see deGrom in here :(

    • The Eye of Horus says:
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      @Sideshow27: Uhhh, No. 7?

  31. Cram It says:
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    So at the show last night, prior to the band coming on, my buddy and I go to stake our position up front. I was shocked, not shocked, that no one was standing right in front of the stage. Seriously, there was like this invisible line 8 feet from the stage that no one would cross. After the first song, the singer says “There’s plenty of room at front.” So everyone immediately pushes forward. Which was good for me, because I now had hipsters to mosh out of there skinny jeans. But seriously, is this like some concert ritual trending that I don’t know about? Where you wait for the band to set it off? Or are people that timid? It was so odd to me.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Cram It: From my interactions with hipsters, they’re scared to bump into anyone that might beat them up

      • Cram It says:
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        @Grey: I have noticed that as a pervading trait. As a guy who was never the bully, always the bullied, and just started engaging in mosh pits at 35 years old, it’s a really weird feeling to be the alpha ass kicker in them.

        • Grey

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          I went out with Cougs and her goddaughter to dinner recently and the goddaughter, who is 19, was talking about the environment… Granted, this might’ve been a Cali thing, but at 19 I wanted to find mosh pits and start fights…

          • peacecoast says:
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            @Grey: Weren’t you having sex with your roommate around then with hilarious results?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yes!

          • Cram It says:
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            @Grey: Haha. Kids these days, so grown up.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              It’s gross!

  32. Big Mike says:
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    1. Thanks for the Sprankings, Cap’n!! Can I make up terms on here like Sprankings?

    2. It isn’t fair to the rest of us that Verlander has, not only an MVP, CY Young, and huge contract, but also has a girl that’s both arguably the hottest chick on the planet and the most badass.

    3. I can’t believe that guy divorced his wife after looking at those photos!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Big Mike: 1. I think that’s all right 2. I know 3. Ha

    • Moneyball says:
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      Charlotte McKinney > Kate Upton

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        *Googling Charlotte McKinney* Bit of all right, no Charlotte Rae!

  33. Humm Baby says:
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    Been a reader for two years, and finished as the runner-up in a H2H league both years, so thanks! I am losing Machado this year which hurts, and lost Jose F (RIP).

    I am keeping Odor and Cespedes, and need to choose 1 more from this group: Thor, C. Davis, Polanco, Franco. Was leaning Thor, but now, maybe not. 6×6 H2H, with TBs, so power is important.

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thank you! I’d go Thor

      • Humm Baby says:
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        @Grey: Interesting, despite your SP rankings, that you would choose Thor over someone like Polanco. But I guess the options aren’t that great. Thanks for the input.

        • Grey

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          Polanco’s solid, but you have an OF already… If you wanted to go that way, I wouldn’t hate it

  34. peacecoast says:
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    Gman say you had goldie, bryant and arenado as keepers in the first three rounds. due to keepers in my league there is some inflation, I guess every league with keepers has that.

    now 4th and5th rounds are picks 47 and 50. That is around the time I think I will start looking for one of the Carrasco tier you talked about. I also have the option of keeping Pollock or Dee Gordon (or both and skip the SP) at this point.

    Would you consider keeping either/both of Pollock/Gordon at pick 47/50 in my situation?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Pollock

  35. Fungazi says:
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    Prediction: You do not actually pull the trigger and draft Verlander in any expert league this year. He’s such an anti-Grey pick.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I know! Maybe… Nah, I would, his numbers support it

  36. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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    Two days later, I can drink my water again.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      There’s a lot of water in Rolling Rock, no?

      • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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        @Grey: Rolling Rock isn’t made in Latrobe anymore. And it’s terrible.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No way, really? Where did they move it to? Don’t say Mexico!

          • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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            @Grey: Haha, no they went big time.

            Just found this in an article….”But then Anheuser-Busch purchased the Rolling Rock brand for $82 million, promising the same formula but moving the production to New Jersey. Bottling in Newark will begin today.”

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Oh, wow, they outsourced to Jersey!

              • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                @Grey: I went to college in Latrobe, they were so proud of Rolling Rock.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  I can imagine, I’m shocked they moved, is this a new thing or am I totally out of the Rolling Rock loop?

                  • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                    @Grey: That article I quoted was from 2006. You’re out of the loop.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      HA, not surprising

                    • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                      Jersey gets all the cool stuff!

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      It misses me so

                • Ante GALIC says:
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                  @Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Noise!

                  In 1986, my high school toured through the US. Our school (Saint Michael’s Choir School) spent two nights in Latrobe, PA! Our tour stops were Cincinnati (my roomie and I slept in Francfort, KY), Orlando, Chattanooga, Richmond, DC (Smithsonian, during the day) and…Latrobe before going back via Buffalo to Toronto!

                  Cheers,
                  Ante

                  • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                    @Ante GALIC: Ante!

                    That’s crazy. What in the world made Latrobe a destination?

  37. peacecoast says:
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    hey who is your deshizz for this year?

    what about deshizz anyway, is he just deshite?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No more DeShizz — I appear to be a lot higher on Odor, Kepler, few other guys

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: Hodor?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Hold the door!

  38. peacecoast says:
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    When do we get the WAR ROOM son?

    That piece of perfection, who makes it anyway?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I don’t know who makes the excel war room, online war room will come after rankings are done

      • peacecoast says:
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        @Grey: you mean it’s one of us who makes the excel version? not one of your peeps?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          It’s one of youse

  39. AL KOHOLIC says:
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    great job as usual boss

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks, AL!

  40. Andrew Smitka says:
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    Grey –

    Interested to see where Rodon is at in your rankings this year; does he turn the corner in 2017 and become a legit #2 SP in fantasy?

    I’m waffling on who to invest in, all things equal, it’s between Rodon, Gausman, Taijuan Walker. Who is the best of that group the next 2-4 years, ya think?

    Love tuning Razz podcasts, keep up the awesome work!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! I like Gausman

  41. matt says:
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    traded 2$ Jose Ramirez and 4$ Joe Musgrove for 24$Desmond in a 22 team 5&5 league…thoughts

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Desmond

  42. JB says:
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    Grey –
    Love the posts, bro. You’re the third priority in the morning, right after coffee and a dump.

    NL Only auction keeper league with minors players @ $5 Traded for loads of cheap pitching this off season. Can Only keep six. Who am I keeping?

    Eikhoff $7
    Robbie Ray $7
    Folty $7
    Glasnow $5
    A. Vizcaino $3
    Brett Anderson $3
    Zach Wheeler $5
    Patrick Corbin $7

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Hoping to move into a tie with ‘dump’

      Eikhoff $7
      Robbie Ray $7
      Folty $7
      Glasnow $5
      A. Vizcaino $3
      Zach Wheeler $5

    • Sweatpants Nation says:
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      @JB: Would suggest you go right to Grey, then coffee and the dump. #2 becomes #3 and Grey gets to be #1.

  43. nastynuckle says:
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    How is it you have deGrom ranked ahead of Cueto when you predict all of Cueto’s stats to be better?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I said to avoid deGrom

  44. Sideshow27 says:
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    T. Walker, Ross, Pomeranz or Nola? Maybe even rank em?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      More starters are coming tomorrow

  45. ERad says:
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    Is it OK to eat sushi every night?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Of course! Why not?

      • ERad says:
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        @Grey: Because I can’t stop!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Gets expensive though

          • ERad says:
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            @Grey: We got a great all you can eat joint – it’s dangerous.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Where?

              • ERad says:
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                @Grey: Upstate NY

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Hmm, bit far for me

        • peacecoast says:
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          @ERad: I know how to make you stop. Put some in the fridge and then eat them in 3-4 days. Boom you will be cured.

  46. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Saw some news that Dahl will need to compete for the starting gig against Parra. Any concerns or just lip service to Parra so they can say that they at least “gave him a chance”?

    This is a ridiculous question to ask since Dahl and Parra don’t compare . . . but the Rockies also signed Desmond to play 1B, and paid him more than it would have cost to get EE or Trumbo.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Lip service

  47. Chicken Shack says:
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    ‘Sup Coach Gray,
    In a vacuum that sucks and requires an ace, what would you prefer?
    Scherzer and Votto
    or
    Sale and Miggy

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Scherzer

  48. A-Ram Baller says:
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    12 team standard H2H league, 3 Keepers, who do you think?

    Rizzo
    Nelson Cruz
    Noah Syndergaard
    Kyle Schwarber
    Jacob deGrom
    Jon Lester
    Steven Strasburg
    Addison Russell
    Gary Sanchez
    Khris Davis
    Alex Bregman
    Aroldis Chapman

    • Grey

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      Rizzo, Cruz, Noah

  49. TommyL says:
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    Grey, love your rankings and how you always go against the grain, but there are some bizarre inconsistencies here. Usually when you don’t like players, you bury them in the rankings, stating that you won’t get them as they’ll be gone by then. Here you’ve done the opposite and raised them significantly. DeGrom has an NFBC ADP of 18th, and a Fantasy Pros ECR of 15th, with the highest rank of 11th, meaning that you’re literally higher on him than anyone else by ranking him 7th. Does this means that the actual number ranking assigned is irrelevant? I’m assuming that you wouldn’t really take DeGrom before Darvish, Kluber, etc.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! I’d just ignore deGrom, guess I could’ve ranked him 18th here, doesn’t matter, I say to ignore the tier

      • TommyL says:
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        @Grey: Yeah I liked all of your comments, it’s just the numbers didn’t match. Perhaps putting that second tier with the Price/Strasburg tier as the do not draft tier would’ve made more sense to me.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, maybe I should’ve, I just figured, ignore this guy here or there and it doesn’t matter

  50. Spit says:
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    Thanks for another great Top 20. I have to decide on my fifth keeper today. Could you please tell me if I should keep Chris Sale (the fourth best SP) or Freddie Freeman (one of the best hitters in an OBP-league)?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Freeman

  51. Sweatpants Nation says:
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    Maybe you should have had a tier “avoid deGrom” with only him in it. That way you wouldn’t have to keep saying it.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, I know, ha

  52. Jason says:
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    10-Team, H2H Keeper. I’m already keeping Rizzo, Arenado, Betts, Trout, DeGrom, and Duffy. I need 4 from Teheran, Polanco, Kinsler, Villar, K. Davis, Rendon, A. Russell, and Rodon. Who do you like? Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Polanco, Villar, Rendon, Davis

  53. Mark says:
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    Grey, I’m in a H2H points league with a weekly SP limit. Would you place more value on stud pitchers or relieves in that case? I’m targeting 4 SP in your top 20

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Depends on how many teams

      • Mark says:
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        @Grey:

        10 teams

        • The Great Knoche says:
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          @Mark: Missing out on lots of bats if you are targeting 4. Will be plenty to find on waiver wire in 10 team league. 1 or 2 tops is plenty.

          • Mark says:
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            @The Great Knoche:

            Thanks! Starting out with Betts and Machado as Keepers and pitchers go about a round early in this league so was targeting Darvish in RD3. Might wait and target a Carrasco + Maeda/Salazar combo

  54. Jp says:
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    Grey_last keeper 4×4 wins, era, whip and saves. 12 team al only last keeper Devenski @$5 or Berrios @$2. Thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Berrios

  55. Mark says:
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    10 teams

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      4 SPs in top 20 is too many… Maybe 2 at most

  56. Another Dan says:
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    Hey Grey,

    Thanks for the SP rankings, they brighten up the start to my day. Am usually sat at my work desk (8am in the UK) when your latest rankings post is uploaded.

    I am in a 12 team 6×6 (OBP, QS and HLDS rather than W)H2H dynasty. Currently have Thor but am thinking of trading him away before the season starts. Have a big gap at SS (starting Arcia). Have been offered Brad Miller and Darvish for Thor. Decent for me?

    Another Dan

    • Grey

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      Glad to help! That sounds decent for you

      • Another Dan says:
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        @Grey:

        Thanks.

        Is Desmond and one of VV / Snell / Paxton a better return In a dynasty for Thor ?

        • Grey

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          Not especially, it’s fine

          • Another Dan says:
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            @Grey:

            Thanks, trying to get the best deal for him from 2 different trade partners.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              No problem

  57. Ray says:
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    Where would you have ranked JFER? RIP

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Easy top 3, RIP

  58. The Great Knoche says:
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    Have Kershaw and Yu. You moving $18 Arrieta for say $12 JBJ, $10 Kemp? Offense is already fairly stacked too.

    • The great Knoche says:
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      @The Great Knoche: one or other, not both.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You should do better

  59. nightpandas says:
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    Happy Greyhog day,

    Salazar a decent return for Dahl in a keep 11 forever 15 teamer?

    My potential pitcher keepers right now are Harvey, Matz, Gausman, Walker

    • Grey

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      He is decent there, yeah

  60. ElBoss says:
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    ElBoss says:
    February 1, 2017 at 5:01 am (link)
    My sleeper of the year and Al Cy Young award winner is Yu Grey!! Yu Darvish!! What you think?

    Reply
    Cram It says:
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    @ElBoss: Yuge Rey

    Reply
    GreyGrey says:
    February 1, 2017 at 8:23 am (link)
    @ElBoss: I’ll go over SPs tomorrow

    Reply
    ElBoss says:
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    @Grey: when you hit the nail on the head, but Grey just doesnt want to admit it!!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha, yup

  61. swaggerjackers says:
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    Sale feels like a guy that’s destined to disappoint this season. As you pointed out, the stats are showing some red flags yet fantasy rankers refuse to knock him down a few pegs. Yes, he has the track record, but I’d rather jump off the bandwagon a year early than a year late.

    Is the bone spur for Synder a serious concern or more of an unfortunate nuisance? His stats are so appealing and Steamer projections improvements over last season.

    • Grey

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      Lester’s had a bone spur for years, so it should be okay, but all bone spurs are not created equal

  62. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Hey Grey – $13 Murphy or $18 Yu in a keeper?

    I don’t like Murphy at all of course, but wondering if at that price he moves ahead of SPs like Yu…

    Also would try taking advantage of Murphy’s hype to trade him to someone who relies on ESPN/CBS/Yahoo and does like him…

    Thanks!

    • Grey

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      Yu

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: thank yu

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  63. Cognoscere says:
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    Grey…

    Keeper league:
    Your thoughts on my trading Carlos Correa
    for
    Alex Bregman and David Dahl?

    • Grey

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      Hold

  64. nightpandas says:
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    Keep 11 forever 15 teamer

    Another offer: give Rizzo Correa for Springer Boegarts Duffy Turner…..

    keepers are now: Rizzo Dozier Correa Dahl Mazara Trumbo Crush Harvey Matz Gausman W Davis

    would replace with: Crush Dozier Boegarts Turner Dahl Mazara Trumbo Springer Duffy Harvey W Davis

    thinking Im still leaning hold…thoughts?

  65. nick the dick says:
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    What would you say if I turned Soler, Baez, Schwarber, Eloy, Happ, Cease and Eddy Martinez into Arenado, Springer, Giles, Paxton, Brendan Rodgers and Marcos Diplan?

    • I got $100 for groceries, $1400 for liquor, and $6,000 for you to go bail a couple of shit puppets out of jail says:
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      @nick the dick: that would almost have to be in one of those team based RCL leagues (hopefully the one ran by ralph without that garbage about real life trades affecting your teams). that’s too many CUBS not to be. if it is would you still have enough CUBS after that (you’d be losing 6 of them). it’s probably a yes though, as arenado get and rodgers probably make up for losing a bunch of players on your side (not to mention springer)

  66. What's a Drexl? says:
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    keep 4 or 5 of these (show the 5th last in case). 16 team roto with these stats added: hits, total bases, OBP over AVG, slugging, OPS, steals % for hitters, holds, K/BB, K/9 (would put K% a more accurate stat, but it’s yahoo, can’t), QS, net saves and holds. start one of each position, with a CI, a MI, 3 specific OF spots, a 4th any OF, 3 utils, 5 SP, 5 RP, 1 P, 3 BN, 3 DL, 2 NA. 1800 max innings, so usually 2 BN spots for SP (7 total, including one of them for streaming often)
    keeper options:
    mookie (2)
    villar (26)
    bregman (28)
    contreras (28)
    ceager (4)
    franco (6)
    k.davis (12)
    schoop (15)
    grichuk (9)
    pujols (6)
    kang (11)
    castellanos (17)
    belt (9)
    price (2)
    aj ramos (9)
    ottavino (28)
    kennedy (16)
    kintzler (28)
    allen (7)
    kelley (28)

    obv villar/mookie/bregman are gimmes, what about the last 2?

    • What's a Drexl? says:
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      @What’s a Drexl?: going forward we use previous year’s ADP every year.

  67. Mike in Busan says:
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    Hey, Grey, glad you made it to the starters!
    I had my first ridiculously-too-early-for-drafting draft, and immediately was offered F-Her straight up for Drew Smyly. Needless to say, I jumped on the trade immediately.
    Yeah, he underwhelmed like Johnny Depp’s last several films, but could some of that been injury?
    What are your thoughts on F-Her? (other than “go for it”)

  68. Blake says:
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    Grey,

    Always love the starting pitching post. I do have a questions when it comes to pts league and weaving in your strategy. My league has for hitters (1pt – 1B, 2pts – 2B, 3pts – 3B, 1pt – BB, 4pts – HR, 1pt – RBI, 1pt – R, 1pt – Steal) and for pitchers (10pts for W, 7pts for S, 1pt for SO).

    I have always used your strategy of loading up on hitters early and then those pitchers from the tiers that you suggest in rounds 5, 6 &7. I have landed 3rd or 4th in the last 2 years. Wondering how you would fit your strategy to my pts league. We have 12 people in my pts league.

  69. Nathan says:
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    Hi hi hi hi,

    I can keep Jon Lester in exchange for a 5th round draft pick or Carlos Carrasco in exchange for a 4th round pick. I know Lester is ranked higher (here and most places) but I really believe in Carrasco’s upside. Lester is older, has thrown more innings (especially recently), and is losing his security blanket catcher in David Ross.

    Given that, I’m inclined to keep Carrasco, even despite the higher draft pick attached to him. Am I thinking about this the wrong way? Should I just go with the player that returns better value on paper during the draft?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Carrasco

      • Nathan says:
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        @Grey: u da man

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Thanks!

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