All the final 2015 fantasy baseball rankings for hitters are done.  For those that skipped today’s title, this starts the top 20 starters for 2015 fantasy baseball.  This is NOT for 2016 (caps for those who can’t read titles; supposedly it’s easier to read caps, I have my doubts).  This is a recap.  Will these affect next year’s rankings?  Sure.  But not entirely.  To recapitulate, these rankings are from our Fantasy Baseball Player Rater.  We’re (me) using it to fairly gauge our (my) preseason rankings.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 starters for 2015 fantasy baseball and how they compare to where I originally ranked them:

1. Jake Arrieta – As you’ve prolly heard from me, I’ve bitched and moaned about my Tout Wars offense and how it cost me a championship.  How was I one point out of first with one day to go in a 15 team league if my best hitter was Khris Davis (not misspelled)?  Easy, I owned Arrieta.  On our Player Rater, he produced $42.5 vs. the 2nd best starter, Kershaw, with $39.4.  Value-wise, he was much better because he came at a much cheaper price than Kershaw on draft day.  What’s more interesting — More interesting than what you’ve already written, how do you do it, Grey? Shut up, Random Italicized Voice. — Arrieta had $11.9 value in wins vs. Kershaw’s 5.9, so if you throw out the luck of wins, Kershaw was much more valuable.  And Kershaw seemed like he had a down year.  Any hoo!  Back to Arrieta, he was gorge.  To give you an idea of what $42.5 means.  Think back to your draft when you spent $27 on Arrieta.  Yeah, you got value.   If you didn’t dominant your pitching categories owning Arrieta, I worry about you.  Seriously, you should wear a life preserver when you go to the bathroom to make sure you don’t drown.  Why did Arrieta led to more pitching dominance than a normal front tier starter?  If you drafted Kershaw, you likely understood you had a lot of pitching, so likely didn’t draft another starter for a while.  If you drafted Arrieta, you could’ve drafted a starter before him.  For unstints, in my Yahoo Friends & Family league, I drafted Gerrit Cole then at pick 94 overall, I took Arrieta.  Too bad I had C.J. Cron as my 1st baseman after trading away Bautista for Stressbird.  I will now write the rest of this post with the banging of my forehead.  Preseason Rank #15, 2015 Projections: 12-9/2.88/1.06/198, Final Numbers: 22-6/1.77/0.86/236

2. Clayton Kershaw – I kinda went over Kershaw in the above blurb, so let’s skedaddle.  By the by, doesn’t skedaddle seem like it should mean to dawdle from one’s schedule?  No?  Okay, I’m going to take a nap.  *shoots up in bed, claps hands*  Let’s take on this day!  Preseason Rank #1, 2015 Projections: 18-6/2.22/0.95/232, Final Numbers: 16-7/2.13/0.88/301

3. Zack Greinke – Okay, on the fo’realies, look at the final lines for some of these top pitchers.  I was saying to Rudy the other day that on teams where I had Arrieta, Archer, Gerrit and/or Carrasco that I could not lose pitching no matter how much I tried with my streaming choices.  I had entire months with an ERA under 3 on some teams.  That’s 220+ IP and a sub-3 ERA.  That’s insane.  Greinke had a 0.84 WHIP in 222 2/3 IP.  How do you lose WHIP with that on your team?  If you owned Justin Masterson all year because you are mentally backwards, your WHIP would still be under 1.00 if you had Greinke.   Preseason Rank #8, 2015 Projections: 18-6/2.95/1.13/212, Final Numbers: 19-3/1.66/0.84/200

4. Dallas Keuchel – I whiffed on Keuchel, along with many more hitters than I expected.  I didn’t only miss on him in the preseason, but all season I figured a correction was coming.  As I mentioned during one of the hitter recaps, strikeouts are the easiest to predict.  They stabilize relatively quickly and don’t usually change a ton, especially not for a guy who tops out at 89 MPH.  Taking a look at his numbers to figure out where the extra Ks came from, still leaves me a bit baffled, but watching me be confused is fun, so here goes.  His cutter usage went up a little and change went down a little, which led to better numbers for both of them.  He tends to throw those more against righties because they work better against them.  Then against lefties, he’s unhittable with a slider and sinker.  What does this mean, he learned how to be more effective using his arsenal.  I still have a long way to go before I can fully endorse him next year.  I.e., I can’t get past the 89 MPH fastball.  Preseason Rank #51, 2015 Projections: 11-12/3.81/1.27/140, Final Numbers: 20-8/2.48/1.02/216

5. Max Scherzer – If I’m remembering this correctly (and that’s me being modest, I am remembering it correctly, and this side note is less modest), I was more optimistic on Scherzer than most projections and I’m still way under what he ended up doing.  Guys and five girl readers, there is a ton of pitching.  Preseason Rank #3, 2015 Projections: 18-5/2.49/1.10/248, Final Numbers: 14-12/2.79/0.92/276

6. Madison Bumgarner – He was skipped in his last start, because apparently 600 innings across two seasons is where he draws the line.  He draws said line with his toe because he can’t lift his arm.  Preseason Rank #9, 2015 Projections: 16-10/3.01/1.06/206, Final Numbers: 18-9/2.93/1.01/234

7. David Price – He just had arguably his best season.  Price’s 2012 season is the one arguing with this past season.  His 2013 season said its siding with 2012 too.  Could get ugly.  Let’s leave them alone.  Preseason Rank #6, 2015 Projections: 17-8/2.69/1.07/239, Final Numbers: 18-9/2.45/1.08/225

8. Gerrit Cole – My plan of owning Cole and Arrieta worked out well this past year.  Thankfully, only on one of those teams did those plans intersect with my plans on owning Samardzija.  Preseason Rank #18, 2015 Projections: 15-8/3.20/1.18/198, Final Numbers: 19-8/2.60/1.09/202

9. Jacob deGrom – Sure, go ahead and look at my projections and think, “Grey, you are handsome, but you totally missed on deGrom.”  This is true, but it gets better or worse when you consider I projected him for 191 IP and that’s exactly how many he threw.  Also, I did have him in a preseason tier called, “Go ahead, draft your pants off.  No, figuratively!”  To find out what I was thinking with my projections, I’m going to teleport myself into January Grey’s body…*loud buzz, quick flash*  Hey, January Grey here, I cannot wait for the second season of True Detective!  As for deGrom, he had a 7.5 K/9 and a 6.8 K/9 in two years of Triple-A, so there’s no way he will have a 9+ K/9 in 2015.  *loud buzz, quick flash*  January Grey is a moron.  Preseason Rank #31, 2015 Projections: 11-6/3.19/1.19/164, Final Numbers: 14-8/2.54/0.98/205

10. Chris Sale – I believe I mentioned this on the final podcast of the year, but I will continue to wait until Sale wins the Cy Young one year with just a modicum of good luck.  Preseason Rank #7, 2015 Projections: 15-5/2.41/0.99/217, Final Numbers:  13-11/3.41/1.09/274

11. Matt Harvey – I was off on my ranking and projections of Harvey in the preseason, because I thought the Mets wanted to shut him down early, due to his Tommy John surgery in 2014.  Turns out only Harvey wanted to be shut down, the Mets had other plans.  Plans that may involve selling his one good arm to the Yankees next year so they can sew it onto Tanaka’s arm.  Preseason Rank #27, 2015 Projections: 7-3/3.27/1.10/150, Final Numbers: 13-8/2.71/1.02/188

12. Chris Archer – I owned Archer too, so, as I go through these pitcher recaps, something becomes abundantly clear.  I really messed up my hitter drafts.  I say this because, I absolutely nailed pitchers in all of my leagues, but only won one (stutterer!) league.  I should add I didn’t draft pitching early.  Preseason Rank #36, 2015 Projections: 9-11/3.47/1.26/182, Final Numbers: 12-13/3.23/1.14/252

13. Sonny Gray – In the preseason, I said, “Maybe I’m just like my father.  Too bold.  Maybe I’m just like my mother.  Too in love with anyone named Gray.  Why do we scream at each other when we’re at the table with wine?  This is what it sounds like when Jews and Italians dine!”  And that’s me quoting me!  That has nothing to do with anything, but it made me laugh.  Preseason Rank #32, 2015 Projections: 12-11/3.27/1.21/189, Final Numbers: 14-7/2.73/1.08/169

14. Carlos Carrasco – This feels like one of those end-of-the-season rankings where if you asked someone who was more valuable last year, Carrasco or F-Her, everyone would say F-Her.  Even those looking directly at this post.  Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed owning Carrasco…from the 2nd inning on.  Preseason Rank #19, 2015 Projections: 13-6/3.27/1.09/192, Final Numbers: 14-12/3.63/1.07/216

15. Felix Hernandez – I love that he won 18 games last year, because if he would’ve won around 12 games, as he could’ve easily done, he wouldn’t even be in the top 30 starters.  F-Her’s numbers were not good last year.  Everything went sideways, and I don’t mean he was screaming indignantly at a glass of Merlot.  Preseason Rank #2, 2015 Projections: 16-5/2.41/0.99/239, Final Numbers: 18-9/3.53/1.18/191

16. Corey Kluber – Kluber is the near exact inverse of F-Her.  His bad luck with Wins is hiding a decent season.  Granted, it’s easier to swallow “he had a decent season” if you didn’t actually own him.  Preseason Rank #4, 2015 Projections: 16-7/2.63/1.07/252, Final Numbers: 9-16/3.49/1.05/245

17. Danny Salazar – I’m the first one to say I Mr. Bungled a ranking or projection (see Dallas Keuchel for further on this subject), but Salazar’s projections and preseason ranking are giving the wrong impression.  I actually drafted Salazar in a few leagues around the 25th pitcher off the board, because I didn’t rank him 105th overall for starters until the last week of March when the Indians said some nonsense like McAllister would have his rotation spot.  Up until then, I had Salazar ranked in the top 25 for starters.  How was I supposed to know the Indians would do the switcheroo about a week after the season started?  I can’t tell the future and I threw out my Sports Almanac after betting my life savings on the Cubs.  Preseason Rank #105, 2015 Projections: 6-2/3.76/1.28/128, Final Numbers: 14-10/3.45/1.13/195

18. Jon Lester – Exhibit A that wins are stoopid.  The Cubs won 97 games last year, and Lester only won 11 games while Wade Miley, on the last place Sox, won 11 games with a 4.46 ERA.  Exhibit B why wins are stoopid is a big foam finger pointing to Exhibit A.  Preseason Rank #10, 2015 Projections: 15-9/2.92/1.08/206, Final Numbers: 11-12/3.34/1.12/207

19. John Lackey – Lackey’s year leads me to believe that if Chris Sale were on the Cardinals, he’d win 25 games and have a 1.50 ERA with 400 Ks.  Preseason Rank #126, 2015 Projections: Bleh-blah/Burp/Derpy/Yeah, no thanks, Final Numbers: 13-10/2.77/1.21/175

20. Cole Hamels – Every year he continues to put up great stats and be a douche.  You can set your clock by it, assuming you have a douche clock, which I believe is called an Apple Watch.  Preseason Rank #17, 2015 Projections: 12-10/2.97/1.15/192, Final Numbers: 13-8/3.65/1.19/215

 
  1. DrEasy says:
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    March DrEasy was happy to go to war in RCL with Kluber and Lester as his two top pitchers. March DrEasy was stoopid.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @DrEasy: I can’t imagine 2 starters in the top 20 killed your team

      • DrEasy says:
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        @Grey: They killed my Win category, where I finished last… As you said though, Wins are stupid and kind of unpredictable.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yup

  2. Gray's Sports Almanac says:
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    That hurts Grey, that just hurts. Both a) that you threw me away and b) that we both lost our life savings on betting on the Cubs. Here’s to sharing cheese in discarded pizza boxes with Evan Gattis since we will be living in cardboard box houses under the freeway with signs reading “will rap for food “

  3. Rabbit says:
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    Hey, where did the final numbers for Salazar go? Maybe they’ll be showing up later today in a DeLorean saying “Your kids, Grey, we’ve got to save your kids!” Btw, how great was the 80s when a guy who was running a major new car company could get busted for trying to deal cocaine to save said car company. If anyone wants to know just how big coke was back in the 80s just tell him that story, or show him Scarface.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Rabbit: Ha, I must’ve accidentally forgot them, I’ll fix

  4. Beware the Shit Rope says:
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    was reading the OF’s post, and you almost had Kemp exactly besides some RBI’s, and almost nailed his exact spot too. Upton you were even closer on besides 14 RBI’s, but somehow his steals even came back (which i’d not seen once a guy takes like 2.5 years off of), yet somehow upton was ranked 9 spots lower than you had him, so i guess the top end OF’ers did better than was expected.

  5. GhostTownSteve says:
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    We’re brothers from another, Albright. At least based on last year. I kill pitching year in and year out and I can’t scout hitters to save my life. One year in 15 teamer NFBC I didn’t take any pitching at all until the 9th round and I still finished with more pitching points than hitting points. It happens to me very consistently.

    I have a couple of theories brewing. One is, I really like scouting pitching and because I don’t intend to draft pitching until much later, I put a lot of effort there. As you know, I have started to look at earlier aces for various reasons the last 2 years. I haven’t found that taking a starter within the first 3 rounds has much impact on my hitting at the end anyway.

    I also just find hitters a lot harder to predict. I don’t think there’s a concrete skill set that’s as easily measured or observed with hitters. No velocity readings or pitch mix percentages.

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      @GhostTownSteve:

      Is it possible that drafting a lot of late pitching decreases your chances of getting late round hitters that break out? Or is it also that you tend to hold on to the players you draft early rather than churn them so you’re holding Carlos Santana all year when others are ending up with the 2014 Rendons

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        I don’t think it’s a numbers game with drafting pitchers late instead of hitters so less chance of hitting on a breakout… You could have easily drafted Kluber and Strasburg early and drafted Carlos Santana and Duda and got 4 disappointing players

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I just think there’s a ton more variance in hitting… Pitchers either throw 93+ MPH with a nasty curve or they don’t… Hitters can hit the ball solid and still make an out… Also, pitchers have 27 outs each game for a sample size, hitters have 5 plate appearances, so things become skewed… There’s two skills with hitters that are dependable, power and speed. You can’t fake 40 homers or 40 steals. .310 becomes .280 when 25 random hits don’t fall in. That’s about one hit per week. That’s a huge variance. Runs and RBIs are also dependent on lineup. Pitchers can get lucky with their ratios, but they can also make that luck more than hitters

      I remember clearly you saying you were going pitching early last year, you were arguing Gerrit Cole wasn’t a number one… I went through old comments on the top 20 starters in February… You were saying you needed a Scherzer-type…

      • GhostTownSteve says:
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        @Grey:

        You didn’t do too bad if you took Scherzer. Finished 20th on the player rater. Ahead of quite few consensus first round hitters. I think maybe it’s not so much that you need to take a number one as much as they are good investments because of the low variance. Numbers and experience both bear out the fact that top starters are more predictable than top round hitters.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Top starters are more predictable, as even this list shows…Only Lackey is really out of nowhere, and his numbers are fluky. However, you need top hitters to work out, because later round hitters are even more of a crapshoot…Rudy and I were discussing how if you had the 10th pick this year and Carlos Gomez was on the board, you had to take him. And he killed your season, but that’s due to poor luck. Just about everywhere else in the top 12 hitters, you were okay. Giancarlo got hurt, but he produced decent numbers in half a season and then you could fill in. If you took a top hitter, then took Cole (either) as your first pitcher, you were okay. But if you took Scherzer and V-Mart as your 1st baseman, you were in a big hole.

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            @Grey:

            That’s total cherry picking Albright. If you took Scherzer and Chris Davis or JD Martinez or Dee Gordon or Nelson Cruz or Machado or Blackmon you did better than if you took McCutchen and Cole.

            I have seen plenty of assertion but zero evidence that you wreck your chances by taking a pitcher inside the first three rounds. And if I’m not mistaken, Rudy’s back test of last year’s RCL results confirmed that teams who took Kershaw were in no way disadvantaged.

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              @GhostTownSteve:

              Also, I think it makes a difference if you’re in a daily streaming league or a deep weekly league. So we might not be apples to apples here. I know the discussion here is mostly RCL focused as it should be.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, total cherrypicking, and you can win taking starters early, but in an RCL I believe you’re disadvantaged… The deeper the league, the less disadvantage…

              • GhostTownSteve says:
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                @Grey:

                I think that’s mostly right. One thing I found though in my short time in the ultra-streamed FCL is that the value in the top tier starter was increased proportionately to the total amount of streaming in the league. When everybody is streaming, it restores some of the balance. If you are one of only two or three players streaming in an RCL then you’re best off taking and holding zero starters all year and streaming every start.

                • Grey

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                  I’ve always kept three starters in my RCL, and have won twice of three times… I don’t think that means it would always work, but there’s something to having a few solid starters to take the sting off the messy streams that are inevitable

                  • Ra'zbahl Al Ghul says:
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                    @Grey: Simpler than all that for me- I’d rather have a bossman first and 3rd baseman than a pitcher early on, and most of the bossmen CI are gone by round 3. I like to come away from rounds 1-4 with 1b, 3b, 2 OFers taken care of, then start thinking pitching Otherwise you are scrambling ALL YEAR for CI guys, who aren’t on wire

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, exactly

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        @Grey:

        I also recall GTS’ comment re: elite pitching this past spring… I believe his argument was because pitching has got so much deeper, everyone has good arms meaning you need more elite ones.

        I liked his argument. And I’m in the same boat in terms of being comfortable finding talented arms later… but finding the AJ Pollocks of the world seems damn near impossible for me.

        Everyone has their biases but when you can rock Teixera, Correa, and Lemahieu types from the wire every year, I will always opt to reach for the aces-to-be types in rounds 8-12 when the Jay Bruce and Carlos Santana’s disappointments are flying off the board…. the warning signs for pitcher eliteness seem much more apparent than hitters.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Agreed, there’s hitters to be had off of waivers every year, but there’s pitchers too… A ton, and not just streamers

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Think of it this way, a pitcher could pitch around Trout all game, but Trout can’t hit around Kershaw

  6. JJ says:
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    I had 5 of the top 20 pitchers and STILL found a way to lose this year.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, ouch

  7. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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    In an 8-keeper, 14-team league I had Sale, Cole, Archer, and Gray. I won. Bragging is fun! Wish I had more to brag about :(

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Noisewater!

      • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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        GREY!!! Sorry, I get a little overzealous at times.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Nah, I appreciate it! Long live Noisewater!

  8. Nelson says:
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    Will you put Lackey in your top 50 SPs next year?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nope

  9. J-FOH says:
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    Oddissee show at the Roxy on Nov. 2nd, its a Monday, you down?

    Do you need a video reminder of who he is?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Let me check, because the 3rd is my wedding anniversary…

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: C’mon cougs. Please. I’ll have him home early and no drinking…promise.

  10. Randy Bobandy says:
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    Nobody told Gibbons or the 1927 Jays to try some small ball time to time – unbelievable.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Said like an old Jew, “Would it hurt to bunt?”

  11. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey San!!

    Just a word to say hello!

    Thanks for the article, the information is really revealing.

    I think in points you need a boss pitcher, but agree with previous comments that it’s better to have 1B, 3B and 2OFs taken care of before you start on SP1.

    It’s also all about listening to Grey. Torenado hitting 42 doubles and 42 HRs with 130 RBIs and being able to draft him early so that you can free up a round 4/5 pick for SP1 when others are scrambling to match you with their 3B pick is FBB rule #1!

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Ante GALIC says:
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      @Ante GALIC: By the by….don’t forget three uses for the F5 key.

      a. Start a PowerPoint presentation;
      b. Refresh your internet web page;
      c. Open the find, replace and go to window in MS Word

      Cheers,
      Ante

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        And for Donaldson!

      • Happy Vegans says:
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        @Ante GALIC: Also, it opens the “Go To” dialog box in Excel. The “Special” button is truly very special for redundant formatting issues.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Cheers, Ante! How’d the job interview go?

  12. J-FOH says:
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    Okay, there should be more comments. Watched a few movies on Netflix while I was sick. The Iceman with Michael Shannon and Europa Report. Both were solid. Liked Europa the best

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Never heard of either of them… Dramas? Action flicks?

  13. VinWins

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    I drafted Arrieta in a league with a LI of 101, and scored 9.5 (W), 8 (ERA), 8 (WHIP), and 5 (Ks). I think that means I need a life preserver. But I did have the 10th pick and passed on Gomez, grabbing Bautista and Donaldson with my first 2 picks. Then went Pujols, Cespedes, Dee G, and Dozier and finished with 58 Hitting points.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Wow, that team sounds insane…You won that league, right?

      • VinWins

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        @Grey: Yep.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Nice!

  14. LateToTheParty says:
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    This is probably a good place to say thanks… I finally won a weekly roto league (auction, keepers) in which I’ve played for 12 seasons. A bunch of 2nd’s along the way, but this is the year I finally broke through. My offense was anchored by value hitters I kept from last year (Altuve, Rizzo, Abreu), but still finished in 7th of 10 teams. Pitching (1st of 10) won it for me this year… Kluber, Carrasco, Salazar (a case of maalox), Arrieta, with McHugh and Peavy not hurting either. I traded away Salazar and Carrasco at the deadline for Blackmon, and almost blew it with a series of disastrous streaming picks down the stretch (Karns, Kennedy, Cobbler, Jungman, Morton). I’m not proud of dropping COL Cargo when his value was lowest, but the team that grabbed him picked off a few offense points from 2nd place, so it kind of worked out.

    Anyway, after nailing hitters in 2014, and pitchers this year… could you let me know which you plan to get right next year? Thanks.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No problem, congrats!

  15. nick the dick says:
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    So apparently this season of Fargo is gonna go right ahead and be just as good as the last one? I’m digging this cast.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I haven’t watched last night yet, Cougs had a business thing…

      • nick the dick says:
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        @Grey: My wife had a sleeping thing

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Well, yeah, that’s what Cougs did too… She had a business thing until 9 PM, then had to hit the hay… We married the same woman!

          • nick the dick says:
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            @Grey: And they’ve both watch Louie! Which is our significant difference and your one true flaw

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I know, I should watch it… I was saying to JFOH, I’m thinking about watching The Shield…Have you seen it?

              • nick the dick says:
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                @Grey: Nah never caught it

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  It’s supposed to be the bomb dot gov, I think I’m gonna go for it…Who are you rooting for in the Series?

                  • nick the dick says:
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                    @Grey: Yeah I heard good things too. Maybe try Justified?…you know who i’m rooting for

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  I forget, anyone but the Mets?

                  Cougs wants me to watch Justified, it looks hokey, it’s good?

                  • nick the dick says:
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                    @Grey: Justified is great. Timothy Olyphant is phenomonal…Yeah, go Royals all the way. Gonna be tough against Mets pitching obviously, but scrappy team like this has a good shot. Control of offspeed pitches will be huge, Royals are near last in mlb this year in average, slugging and ops on non fastballs so looking for them to jump on early count fastballs like they usually do. Edinson and Cueto need to have a solid enough starts to get the game in the bullpens hands

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I did love Olyphant in Deadwood, I mean so good…Why doesn’t Justified excite me at all? I gotta go Mets, but if the Royals can just get their starters to their fantastic bullpen and if the Royals hitters take enough pitches to force the Mets into their bullpen early, then it could be good for the Royals…

                  • nick the dick says:
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                    @Grey: When you think about it, FX has been putting out alot of quality shows for a while now

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      That is true, FX does great stuff… Have you see Mr. Robot?

                  • nick the dick says:
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                    @Grey: I agree..nah I had Mr. Robot taping but had it set to onky keep 5 episodes so it started deleting them before I could start. Plan on getting to it though

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      It’s so good, man…Like ridiculous

                  • nick the dick says:
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                    @Grey: Ugh ya you told me it was good. Makes it that much more disappointing that I muffed the taping

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I just bought that shizz on iTunes, sometimes you gotta

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @nick the dick: maybe you should stop “taping” it with your VCR and get a DVR

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Hehe, snap

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      that’s gonna piss him off

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      That was why you said it, wasn’t it?

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @nick the dick: I did, but he seems to really sensitive lately. I need to be more compassionate if i’m going to be his manager when we get the Donovan’s reality show going. Got to handle the talent with kids gloves

  16. nick the dick says:
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    Oh Foh…i’ve been sensitive? I don’t think I possess that capability. Are there VCRs that can be set to keep 5 episodes before they start deleting them? I fail to see the cleverness in your zing. I know you can do better. Maybe post some Logic and we can have a real tiff

    • J-FOH says:
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      @nick the dick: you have a pretty high tech VCR, when did you buy it? 1998

      • nick the dick says:
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        @J-FOH: Yard sale last week, couldn’t pass it up. Was in the 50 cents bin with a bunch of Logic and E40 cds

        • J-FOH says:
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          @nick the dick: that’s it? Maybe you should of bought a joke at that sale

          • nick the dick says:
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            @J-FOH: …coming from the guy who cleverly said I use a VCR

            • J-FOH says:
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              @nick the dick: you keep saying “tape” you’re not old enough to have that as your go to term for “recording” something.

              • nick the dick says:
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                @J-FOH: they’re synonymous, I don’t get it. Plus you knew I was referring to a dvr when I said it. I’m too young to have ever “taped” anything? You’re just trying to fulfil your prediction that this would piss me off

                • J-FOH says:
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                  @nick the dick: my mom can say it because she still uses the VCR….don’t ask, but you, what are you? a 68 year old woman

                  • nick the dick says:
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                    @J-FOH: At heart

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @nick the dick: that explains the beard

                  • nick the dick says:
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                    @J-FOH: the beard explains itself

          • nick the dick says:
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            @J-FOH: First episode of the Donovan’s reality show: The Roast Of JFOH

            • J-FOH says:
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              @nick the dick: that could take hours, might have to be a mini series with all the material we could compile

  17. nick the dick says:
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    Damn Edinson’s dad died today before the game

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I wonder where Alfredo Simon was

    • Christine Michael: one Unlucky Whitehead (just pop him or not) says:
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      @nick the dick: he’d been ailing since his kid walked three guys in a row last game.

  18. J-FOH says:
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    you guys prod me to watch the world series and I have to listen to Joe Buck….I hate you all

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Like Harold Reynolds is good

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: that goes without saying, good game, kinda ugly, but at least its not a blow out

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Royals looks stale, which is odd since the Mets had more time off

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: I don’t know about that. Cain and Escobar look fine. So glad to see a Hosmer fail

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Gordong

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: that was a huge Gor-Dong

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Okay now it’s cutting into my Voice watching, cmon Mets

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Grey: I watched the last battle yesterday with the dorky AV guy from high school with the amazing voice

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Is that the guy with crazy high voice?

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    yes, that’s him.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I can’t believe he’s straight

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      I can’t believe he doesn’t already have a record deal

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I can, and he’ll disappear again after this show

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      he’s such a natural anti-star, I hope he doesnt go away. Not cool is awesome

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I can’t believe this game is still going… We need Selig to call a tie…

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      if we didnt have that stupid catcher rule we could of had a great finish

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      What stupid catcher rule?

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      are you kidding me with that statement. The Buster Posey rule where you can’t block the base. At the end, the last play would of been more interesting if he had to go thru the catcher

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Oh, yeah, but that play wasn’t even close…If he knocked him over the ball wouldn’t have even been there yet

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      not sure why grandy pumped the ball, it would of been closer than you think.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Grandy pumped because he couldn’t reach otherwise

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      thats the kind of play you want to see with Puig or Harper throwing it in

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Hell yeah, or Big Dave Winfield

    • Christine Michael: one Unlucky Whitehead (just pop him or not) says:
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      @J-FOH: they weren’t gonna put that LAD announcer in there, most of the rest are pretty bad one way or another.

  19. Christine Michael: one Unlucky Whitehead (just pop him or not) says:
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    i wouldn’t feel bad about not seeing cruz’s HR coming, it’s not like you are his connection and should know for sure by checking your receipts.

    and man upton did about exactly what you projected (except his steals came back, like a human tail growing back or something, has anybody even heard of that happening before since he had quit for like 2.5 years before this year) yet he moved down 11 or so spots from your overall 8th OF ranking. Lots of guys went crazy statswise to bump him that low.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, totally

  20. J-FOH says:
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    Was last night a great game because it was a close battle between two great teams or was it a reminder that the teams take too much time off between series?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I don’t know if a tie game has anything to do with extra innings, does it?

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: as a whole there were a lot of mistakes, guys looking lost at the plate and a general lull to the game

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I suppose, but that doesn’t make the score tied

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: well Familia screwed himself there, but the game had lots of rusty moments. Hopefully tonight we get a cleaner game

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, agreed

  21. Scott Kimmel says:
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    Gray this is my team now after the trades

    C,1B Buster Posey (SF)
    C Russell Martin (TOR)
    1B Edwin Encarnacion (TOR)
    1B David Ortiz (BOS)
    1B Joey Votto (CIN)
    2B Jose Altuve (HOU)
    2B Devon Travis (TOR)
    3B Josh Donaldson (TOR)
    3B Mike Moustakas (KC)
    SS Carlos Correa (HOU)
    OF Jose Bautista (TOR)
    OF Lorenzo Cain (KC)
    OF Shin-soo Choo (TEX)
    OF Andre Ethier (LAD)
    OF Matt Kemp (SD)
    OF Starling Marte (PIT)
    OF Mike Trout (LAA)
    SP Gerrit Cole (PIT)
    SP Johnny Cueto (KC)
    SP Matt Harvey (NYM)
    SP Raisel Iglesias (CIN)
    SP,RP Carlos Martinez (STL)
    SP Max Scherzer (WAS)
    SP Luis Severino (NYY)
    SP Justin Verlander (DET)
    SP Michael Wacha (STL)
    RP Greg Holland (KC)
    RP Antonio Osuna (TOR)
    RP Francisco Rodriguez (MIL)
    RP Joakim Soria (PIT)
    RP Drew Storen (WAS)
    RP Shawn Tolleson (TEX)

    And his team

    C Devin Mesoraco (CIN)
    1B Prince Fielder (TEX)
    1B Freddie Freeman (ATL)
    1B Eric Hosmer (KC)
    2B,3B Matt Carpenter (STL)
    2B,SS,OF Odubel Herrera (PHI)
    2B Jason Kipnis (CLE)
    2B,3B Anthony Rendon (WAS)
    3B Nolan Arenado (COL)
    3B,OF Joey Gallo (TEX)
    SS Orlando Arcia (MIL)
    OF Charlie Blackmon (COL)
    OF Rusney Castillo (BOS)
    OF Jason Heyward (STL)
    OF Adam Jones (BAL)
    OF Carlos Gonzalez (COL)
    SP Mark Appel (HOU)
    SP Homer Bailey (CIN)
    SP,RP Carlos Carrasco (CLE)
    SP Jose Fernandez (MIA)
    SP Lucas Giolito (WAS)
    SP Francisco Liriano (PIT)
    SP Michael Pineda (NYY)
    SP David Price (TOR)
    SP,RP Carlos Rodon (CWS)
    SP Danny Salazar (CLE)
    SP,RP Marco Stroman (TOR)
    SP Masihiro Tanaka (NYY)
    SP Julio Teheran (ATL)
    SP Adam Wainwright (STL)
    RP Dylan Bundy (BAL)
    RP Glen Perkins (MIN)
    RP Trevor Rosenthal (STL)

    What should I ask for in exchange for Cole and Votto

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Arenado?

      • Scott Kimmel says:
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        @Grey: well I have Donaldson at third

        • Scott Kimmel says:
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          price and Arenado for Cole and Votto?

          • Scott Kimmel says:
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            or ask for Price Stroman and Arenado for Cole and Votto?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I’d take Arenado, but you have Donaldson so do you need him?

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            I’d do that deal

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          So what are you thinking?

          • Scott Kimmel says:
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            im thinking I could flip Arenado to get Rizzo

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I’d want Arenado

              • Scott Kimmel says:
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                He said no to all my offers. He said he will counter. Stay tuned

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Sounds good!

                  • Scott Kimmel says:
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                    he offered me tanaka Stroman and Hosmer for coke and Votto which I declined

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      so I said without Price I can’t move Cole

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Good, stay firm

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      Gray,

                      We are discussing a trade where I give up Moustakas, Votto and Severino for carpenter, Hosmer and Stroman. Thoughts?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Bleh

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      Grey,

                      This is the latest offer. I give: Moustakas, Votto and Carlos Martinez for carpenter, Hosmer and Stroman. You have my roster. What do you think of the deal? Make it or no

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Not good

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      ok can you tell me why it’s not good

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      You’re giving the best player in the deal

                  • Scott Kimmel says:
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                    who Votto?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, Votto

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Go to JB’s post and ask him for his opinion, see what he says… Or Mike in yesterday’s post

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      grey he wants to do the original deal of Moustakas Severino and Votto for Hosmer Stroman and Carpenter. You said bleh to that. Can you tell me why?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Who’s he?

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      he is the guy who came to me asking about Votto and Cole. He was asking for Votto Moustakas and Severino for Matt Carpenter, Stroman and Hosmer and you said the deal was blah. Asking why blah

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Well of course he’s going to want a trade, he is the one that asked you for it

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      so you think I should stand pat and tell him no?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, but it’s not a slam dunk either way

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      gray what do you think of this offer. I give Martin Moustakas Martinez and Severino for Hosmer carpenter Fernandez and Stroman

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      What are you trying to upgrade with this deal?

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      gray what do you think of this offers.

                      1) I give Martin Moustakas Martinez and Severino for Hosmer carpenter Fernandez and Stroman
                      2) I give Votto Moustakas Martinez and Severino for Hosmer Carpenter Fernandez and Stroman

                      Which deal is better for me?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      1 is better

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      gray the guy is now asking to do a Carlos Martinez for carpenter. I would love to get a SP back for him. Is it a bad deal and would you do that?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      It’s fair, not good for you

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      gray the same guy just made me an offer of this. I give Cole Votto and Kemp for Heyward Fernandez and Hosmer. Thoughts?

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      : so that’s a no?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Always go to my newest post

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      so is that a no don’t make it?

  22. hondo says:
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    So in another attempt to make it about him,Buck is still going off on last nights power outage.He was jokingly blaming it on Fred Savage or Rob Lowe and Harold Reynolds called him out for griping.Buck said “he’s a guy,he can take it”.
    It just so happens Comedy Central had the South Park episode on today (I’m a busy guy)where Satan’s white bread boyfriend tries to act tough in bed and tells him to “take it”.Now I’m having visuals of Joe Buck having sex with Satan.
    Just like any other day.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      They are so awfully awful it’s incomprehensible that this is the best announcers they can get for the World Series

  23. What's a Drexl? says:
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    reading your OF’ers 2nd post, Jones did get old. if i already have rizzo/altuve/arrieta, still keep jones over any of heyward/c.santana/beltre/duda/altherr/a.miller/osuna. we also have K’s, BB’s, XBH for hitters and losses,holds, BB’s for pitchers. start 1 of each OF and a 4th any OF, 1 util, 1 CI, 1 MI, 1 of each other spot for hitters, 5 RP, 2 P (mostly 2 RP or 1 of each), 5 SP slots, 3 BN 1725 innings per year. 15 teamer. 100 moves per year, might go up a little next year.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Meh, Heyward and him are kinda a toss up…Close though

  24. What's a Drexl? says:
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    reading your OF’ers 2nd post, Jones did get old. if i already have rizzo/altuve/arrieta, still keep jones over any of heyward/c.santana/beltre/duda/altherr/a.miller/osuna. we also have K’s, BB’s, XBH for hitters and losses,holds, BB’s for pitchers. start 1 of each OF and a 4th any OF, 1 util, 1 CI, 1 MI, 1 of each other spot for hitters, 5 RP, 2 P (mostly 2 RP or 1 of each), 5 SP slots, 3 BN 1725 innings per year. 15 teamer. 100 moves per year, might go up a little next year.

    • What's a Drexl? says:
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      @What’s a Drexl?: whoops, went twice, weird.

  25. Scott Kimmel says:
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    Can’t find Jb or mikes post where is it

  26. J-FOH says:
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    I’m so bored, I think this is my last year playing fantasy football.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You should pick up some fantasy basketball…It’s taking off!

      • J-FOH

        J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: I almost did but then it means I have to hang out with JB all the time and I don’t want to feel that short

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          JB is King Kunta

  27. Simply Fred

    Fred Barker says:
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    Mattingly to Marlins. Can’t wait for Marlin Magic :-)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sounds like Giancarlo’s gonna be a platoon player now

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