I just went over the top 10 for 2015 fantasy baseball and the top 20 for 2015 fantasy baseball.  Those were exciting, fun, adjective posts!  I took a Snapchat of myself reading those posts and had to delete it after one second it was so hot!  Now, this post, well, it’s the top 20 catchers for 2015 fantasy baseball.  Most of you know how I feel about catchers.  If you draft a catcher any time before the first 100 picks, you don’t know how I feel about catchers.  Let me freshen up your cocktail with a splash of insight.  I don’t draft top catchers in one catcher leagues.  I Reggie Roby them.  Last year, Posey was the top ranked catcher at the end of year.  Yet, he was only the 8th best 1st baseman.  The best catcher can’t spray aerosol deodorant on the top guy for another position. The last time Buster Posey had a huge season he followed it up with a stank season that had you wishing for that aerosol deodorant.  In the top five catchers last year were Posey, Santana, Mesoraco, Lucroy and Gomes.  Only two guys were drafted in the top 100.  No one should draft a top catcher because there are no top catchers.  They’re all hot garbage with a side order of gefilte fish, or kapelka as Q-Tip calls it.  Catchers are unreliable to stay healthy; the job is grueling and takes its toll on offensive stats.  There’s not much difference between, say, the tenth best catcher and nothingness.  Last year, Dioner Navarro was the tenth best catcher.  He was on waivers the entire season.  He was the tenth best catcher with 12 HRs and .274.  Yo, Q, forget kapelka, Dioner Navarro makes me vomit.  Finally, a reason that is new to this current crop of catchers — they’re actually deep in mediocrity.  You can draft the fifth best catcher or the 12th best and they’re tomato-tomato said with a different emphasis.  Because I ignore the top catchers doesn’t mean I’m starting the top 20 catcher list at number twenty-one; some of you might want to know the top catchers.  You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them draft d’Arnaud.  In two catcher leagues, catchers are a little more valuable, but I’d still prefer to avoid them.  You can see other top 20 lists for 2015 fantasy baseball under 2015 fantasy baseball rankings.  Listed along with these catchers are my 2015 projections for each player and where the tiers begin and end.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 catchers for 2015 fantasy baseball:

1. Carlos Santana –  This is the first tier.  This tier goes from here until Posey.  I call this tier, “Punt, punt, pass.”  I imagine that most everyone will have Posey above Santana in their rankings.  Since I wouldn’t draft either and don’t think you should either, it’s neither here nor there or nye-thurr hurr nor thurr, if there’s a rapper reading.  You automatically punt this tier.  Like with Kershaw in the top 20 for 2015 fantasy baseball, there’s always one person who says, “Grey, your mustache is my peer-to-peer sexyware, but let me ask you a question.  If Carlos Santana falls into the 200’s, can I draft him?”  Yeah, and if Kershaw falls into the end of the 2nd round, you can draft him.  And if Hunter Pence had webbed toes, he’d be able to fly parties of three from San Francisco International Airport to Fresno.  It’s all irrelevant; it’s not happening.  If you must know, Santana ranked in front of Posey because Santana has 30-homer power and he is a .250+ hitter, not a .231 hitter as he was last year.  In 2014, he was unlucky with BABIP.  Still, don’t matter, don’t draft him.  (Note:  Santana only has 11 games at catcher, so make sure he’s eligible in your league.  For more, 2015 position eligibility chart.)  2015 Projections:  73/28/89/.254/4

2. Buster Posey – There’s a psychological disorder many fantasy baseballers (<–my mom’s term!) suffer from.  It’s called Poseyitis.  Poseyitis is when a player’s real-life hype creeps its way into the discussion about a player’s fantasy value.  Pedroia and Mauer also caused major Poseyitis.  Yes, Posey is a great real-life player.  I applaud his handsomeness and overall swellness and grit and any other superlative you have for him.  For fantasy, Santana’s the better guy to draft.  Pop Quiz Alert!  Which is better:  Posey’s projections of 22 HRs, .302 or Santana’s 28 HRs, .254?  Trick question, they’re equal.  But they’re not equal until the end of the season.  Prior to the season, Santana’s projections are better because average is fluky and power is not.  That’s why Santana is above Posey; he’s safer.  Though, it’s all moot like Helen Keller because you shouldn’t draft either.  2015 Projections:  67/22/85/.302/1

3. Evan Gattis – This is a new tier.  This tier goes here until Perez.  I call this tier, “I’d like to draft them, but won’t in one-catcher leagues.”  This tier needs some explaining.  In two-catcher leagues, I’d draft one of these guys if they fell to me.  I’m not planning on it, but I’d leave it open as a possibility.  In one-catcher leagues, I’m not drafting any of these guys, but I do like them all to outperform their draft spot.  I bet at least half of the guys in this tier will be on waivers in shallower leagues.  Think I’m crazy?  Then you have a short memory, because all of them were on waivers in 12-team leagues last year.  This is yet another reason why you shouldn’t draft a catcher.  Most of them are on waivers and you can just pick them up.  As for Gattis, he’s yet to play in more than 108 games in his two seasons with Atlanta.  I think there’s a reason.  A Latin 28 is when a player is older than they claim due to forged documents.  There should also be a Homeless 28.  Since living off cheese found on the inside of pizza boxes and just on the streets in general wears down the body, a Homeless 28 is more like 42 years old.  That’s what Gattis is dealing with.  He looks like he’s capable of 35 homers if he could just stay healthy, and the Braves seem to be slowly realizing this and are leaning towards playing him in the outfield the whole year.  Want a guy that could surprise and be the top ranked catcher while losing his catcher eligibility?  Gattis it is, which only looks like a palindrome.  (UPDATE:  As the Braves continue to punt offense this year, they traded Gattis to the Astros.  The Braves left field slot is now N/A.  Sounds promising!  Bold Prediction Alert!  The Braves N/A left fielder is the best outfielder they have.  Gattis will likely play outfield and DH, while maybe catching once in a blue moon, and I still think he has a chance to be great while not being on any of my teams.)  2015 Projections:  67/27/81/.251

4. Yan Gomes – Also known as the star of the PBS cooking show, Yan Can Cook.  Or as it’s known in Latin American countries, Gomes Can’t Spell John.  “Mea culpa, I started this,” says Jonny Gomes.  When I started looking at Yan’s stats, I thought I was going to find he was a product of a ton of at-bats because when I owned him last year he seemed to play every day.  Turns out that was confirmation bias, or some other Psych 101 word, because Gomes didn’t have an extraordinary number of at-bats and this might be the longest run-on sentence in the history of man, excluding Cormac McCarthy.  Hey, I ain’t got no time for bird sex or punctuation.  Gomes’s HR/FB% looks repeatable and his line drive rate was toit.  He needs a high BABIP to hit for a respectable average, but he has always done just that.  I see little reason to be wary of Gomes, or weary if you didn’t sleep last night.  2015 Projections:  58/19/70/.271/1

5. Devin Mesoraco – I’m likely ranking Mesoraco a tad lower than others might have him (I’m writing these in December, so I’m not a hundred on where people are ranking anyone.  Yes, I’m saying I’m a hundred like Sterling from Hell’s Kitchen.  And, yes, that reference is prolly old by the time you’re reading this.  Now, someone get me out of this damn parenthetical!)  Thanks!  I’m being conservative on Mesoraco because he has no track record in the major leagues.  He was a top prospect, but so was Jesus Montero.  You feel me?  Okay, now stop touching me.  Also, Mesoraco’s HR/FB% was slightly absurd in 2014 and if not for his .341 BABIP in the 1st half, we could be thinking of him as Zunino-lite, which isn’t quite as delicious as Zima Light, but close.  2015 Projections:  56/19/78/.252/2

6. Salvador Perez – As you move further down the tier, there’s less a chance for them to be the number one catcher.  It’s still a possibility.  Perez has going for him:  big counting stats due to playing so much.  Against him:  he has to hit a ton of fly balls to get to 20+ homers.  He’d have to hit more fly balls than your average porn star.  Guys with his batted ball profile regularly hit between 12-14 homers.  That’s Yunel at best, and Yuyawn at worst.  (Not to be confused with Yaya Yawn, a girl I went to high school with.)  2015 Projections:  58/14/74/.286/1

7. Matt Wieters – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Ramos.  I call this tier, “Hey, I have a DL slot.”  The Orioles are saying that Wieters might not be ready for Opening Day after having Tommy John surgery.  His agent, Scott Boras, however, has said Wieters will be ready.  I believe Boras; he’s never lied in his life.  Ow, I just hurt myself rolling my eyes too histrionically.  To put that in everyday, non-sarcastic parlance, Wieters will miss half the month of April, starting the year rehabbing in the minors.  The good news is the O’s will likely let him DH for a good portion of the early season.  There’s some risk here due to his surgery and the possibility of a setback, but if he’s cheap enough I could see drafting him.  Best case scenario, you DL him and grab a catcher off waivers for the first week or so.  Worst case scenario, Wieters writes and stars in a romantic drama about North Korea titled, “Despot Is No Good For Cooking” that co-stars Meryl Streep.  The movie is received lukewarmly, but North Korea hacks people’s digital TVs and everyone must watch it repeatedly until they learn the last line by heart, “I filled despot with my tears and let it simmer.”  2015 Projections:  55/18/69/.254/2

8. Wilson Ramos – Well, he’s not on the DL yet.  That could’ve been said the day before Opening Day last year too, but not the day after Opening Day.  I wrote a Ramos sleeper post that’s just sitting on the back burner waiting to be posted, but I have a feeling I’m never going to post it.  Even though my writing has been compared to P.S. Eliot, T.S Eliot’s brother who never knew when enough was enough, catchers are a bore, and Ramos isn’t that different.  If he stays on the field, he could produce nice stats, but he never stays on the field.  2015 Projections:  58/18/66/.262

9. Brian McCann – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Molina.  I call this tier, “Why won’t these guys go away already?”  McCann had a 12.2% HR/FB last year; his career mark is 12.7%.  His FB rate last year was 45.1%; his career is a tad lower at 42.8.  He’ll be 31 years old in 2015.  He hit 23 homers last year in 495 ABs, his highest at-bat total since 2008.  This is just taking the skim off the milk, but what’s the chances he hits more homers in 2015?  25% chance?  20%?  33%?  I love Steamer, but he has McCann projected to hit 27 homers in 2015 in 528 ABs.  Yes, he McCann, but he McCann’t that.  2015 Projections:  52/20/69/.248

10. Jonathan Lucroy – Nothing I enjoy more than bashing Joe Mauer, but this is going to be the last time I mention him today.  You know who Lucroy is?  He’s Mauer.  He doesn’t hit for much power, but he hits for average, gets solid counting stats for a catcher and chucks in a few steals.  Of course, Mauer did it better when he was Lucroy’s age.  Any the hoo!  I’m not a fan of Lucroy either.  His fantasy value is predicated on counting stats and average.  Two things I hate trusting.  2015 Projections:  69/12/61/.291/5

11. Yadier Molina – Molina’s owners also suffer from a severe case of Poseyitis.  Say something bad about him, and watch as a legion of fans come out of the woodwork.  It’s almost like The Flying Molina Bros. disassemble into millions of smaller people, come to Yadier’s defense, then reassemble into blubber on his older brothers.  Like an obese Transformer.  2015 Projections:  64/10/72/.291/3

12. Travis d’Arnaud – This is a new tier.  This tier goes here until Conger.  I call this tier, “All right, enough punting.  Not to be confused with, ‘There’s never enough bunting.'”  What I mean by the tier name is a plain, ordinary wall can really be jazzed with some bunting!  Oh, what I mean about the other part is I’m likely drafting my catcher from this tier in one catcher leagues.  As for d’Arnaud, I’m surprised I haven’t written a sleeper post on him yet.  I’ll likely remedy that at some point in the preseason.  Instead, I went back to look at what I said previously on him, and since it still makes sense, here it is, “d’Arnaud can’t not hit, which either means he can or can’t depending on how we’re counting negatives, and in turn double negatives.  He hit 21 homers in Double-A with a .311 average.  In Triple-A, more of the same — 16 homers, .333 average — in only 67 games.  There was a reason why the Mets sent their Cy Young winner, The Dickster, to Toronto for d’Arnaud.  At some point, d’Arnaud will be a top five catcher for all of fantasy.  Could be this year, could be in 2017 when you will be taking flying cars to your draft and you will be able to marry your robot maid (in Vermont) while going down the aisle in a motorized Barcalounger.  Catchers’ growth charts are hard to predict.  Carlos Santana should be better than he’s been, Matt Wieters should be better, the list goes on.  Those guys haven’t even reached their potential yet.  Will d’Arnaud be worth a flyer at the end of your draft?  Yes, definitely.  Will you want to drop him by April 7th?  Maybe.  Now which one of you knows how to put a motor on a Barcalounger; I’m taking bids for engineers.”  And that’s me quoting me!  That all still applies after he hit 13 HRs last year in only 108 games.  D’Arnaud is gonna be a great one at some point; it’s all about when.  2015 Projections:  60/19/71/.237/1

13. Mike Zunino – At 23 years old, he hit 22 homers last year.  So, when he’s 74 years old, he will hit 73 homers!  Take that, Bonds!  He could hit 30 homers this year, because he hits everything in the air.  Besides Chris Carter, Zunino hit a higher percentage of fly balls than any other player last year.  Unfortch, his line drive rate was 16.6% (vs. Carter’s 21.6%) and Zunino’s K-rate was 33.2% (vs. Carter’s 31.8%).  Oh, and Zunino’s K-rate was the worst in the majors for that number of plate appearances.  Yeah, he was a mess, but he’s young and he could hit some bombs, so that’s worth a flyer.  2015 Projections:  54/20/63/.211

14. Yasmani Grandal – Here’s what I said when he was traded for Kemp, “Yeah, he’s now on sleeper radars.  The obvious:  better lineup, burgeoning power last year.  (By the by, Burgeoning is my favorite red wine.)  The less obvious:  fly ball rate is increasing, can play first base if A-Gon finally breaks down, was once a former top prospect, solid walk rate, and again he’s leaving Petco!  For straight fantasy value, I wouldn’t be surprised if Grandal outperforms Kemp in 2015.  I wouldn’t predict it, but it feels like one of those silly BOLD PREDICTIONS that people make.  He does need to get his K-rate in order (inflated to 26% last year) otherwise he might only hit .208, but the possibility is here for a breakout.”  And that’s me quoting me!  2015 Projections:  53/17/64/.231/2

15. Nick Hundley – The Rockies are going another way with their catching situation.  That way is, “Not Rosario.”  I don’t think Hundley’s much, but he is starting his home games in Coors and as they say in Something Land, “That’s something.”  2015 Projections:  51/15/58/.254

16. Hank Conger – Here’s what I said last year, “I’ve been a fan of Chris Iannetta in the past, but now I consider him Chris Iamnada.  Or Chris Ia’intgotta.  Or Chris I’mnotdraftabla.  Or Piss Ugatz.  I much prefer Hank Conger get the starting job, but that’ll likely happen when he’s traded away for five cents on the dollar.  Oh, Sciosciapath.”  And that’s me predicting the future!  No one’s ranking Conger higher.  If Hank Conger’s brother, Frank Conger, was a fantasy baseball ‘pert, he wouldn’t rank him this high.  So, when Conger (Hank, not Frank) goes off and explodes, thank me.  (If he disappoints, let’s never speak of this again.)  I’m also going on the assumption that the Astros are gonna shock the world* and make Conger their starting catcher over Castro.  (*World in this sense is the world that cares about the Astros, which is approximately twelve people, including Barbara Bush.)  2015 Projections: 48/15/62/.251/2

17. Russell Martin – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Montero.  I call this tier, “Stale rice cakes.”  This tier name means that you’ve shown great self-control to not cheat on your catcher diet, but now you’re just going for something you think will be a healthy choice, but is really just nasty and will leave you wanting something else.  Here’s what I said this offseason, “(Russell Martin) signed by the Blue Jays for $82 million.  The money doesn’t mean anything for fantasy other than he’s going to make eight-two million dollars!  Are we all living in Russell Martin’s fantasy?  Is this how come he got to date my 12-year-old-self’s crush, Alyssa Milano?  Is Russell Martin our overlord?  For 2015, I’ll give him the projections of 53/13/69/.248/6 or whatever he wants since apparently we’re all living in his snow globe.”  And that’s me quoting me!  2015 projections:  53/13/69/.248/6

18. Miguel Montero – When he was traded this offseason, I said this, “Headed to Cubs.  Buh-buh-buh– Where’s the boeuf Welington?!  Geez, young catching prospects get about a year to shine, then it’s off to the meat market.  Montero’s numbers last year were 13 HRs and .237.  Oh, wait, that’s Welington’s stats from last year.  Montero’s numbers were 13 HRs and .243.  That’ll fix everything!”  And that’s me copying and pasting me!  2015 Projections:  45/14/62/.238

19. Robinson Chirinos – This is a new tier.  I call this tier, “Your last chance at a decent flyer in deep leagues.”  This tier goes from here to Flowers.  Wasn’t that an R&B song?  “From Here To Flowers.”  Sounds like it.  Tells the story of a romance that starts all right and goes all wrong.  In the beginning, there were flowers sent for all the right reasons, then later on the flowers were sent to apologize.  I think it was Jodeci.  I’ve thought too much about this.  As for Chirinos, well, he’s got upside and a mostly-full-time starting job.  Fun fact!  Through his father, Chirinos is related to Coco Crisp.  Luckily, Robinson doesn’t have to wear the badge of shame like his brother, who is named Uh-Oh Chirinos.  2015 Projections: 41/15/52/.246

20. Derek Norris – Here’s what I said this offseason, “The A’s sell-off and Padres buy-on (sell-to-me? gimme-gimme-gimme?) continues as Norris heads to the Padres.  Next thing you know, Billy Beane’s daughter from Moneyball is going to be singing the National Anthem for the Padres.  Or Jonah Hill and his nerdculator.  Norris was a platoon catcher, but saw time at DH, so it’s kinda tomato-tomato with a different emphasis for his playing time in San Diego.”  And that’s me quoting me!  2015 Projections:  50/12/59/.252/4

21. Stephen Vogt – I believe…I believe…I believe in Stephen Vogt!  Can’t wait to see what chants the A’s fans come up with for Semien.  Gulp.  2015 Projections:  56/11/52/.288/2

22. Jarrod Saltalamacchia – He’ll be 30 years old this year, and with more seasoning, Salty’s getting worse.  Weird!  2015 Projections:  49/16/58/.215/1

23. Jason Castro – The good news is he’s only one year removed from a 18 HR, .276 season.  The bad news:  I don’t have enough room.  2015 Projections:  46/12/50/.239/1

24. Wilin Rosario – Rosario just had the worst possible season last year that I could’ve imagined for him, but I’m overstating how good my imagination is.  At 25 years old, I slotted him in as the top catcher last year, and then he made Nadir Bupkis look like a batting title champion.  I figured he had Coors, his prime, and power.  What else do you need?  Rosario proved you needed to get on the field and actually produce.  Who knew?!  Last year, his splits were egregious — .249 vs. righties and .310 vs. lefties; .343 in home games and .185 in away games.  Gross, indeed.  And in 2013 he hit .290 in away games and .279 vs. righties with 14 homers, which shows no discernible splits.  I’m not concerned.  He had a wrist issue that can zap a player’s power.  Or sap his syrup, for our readers in Vermont.  (NOTE:  I know there’s rumors that the Rockies want to trade Rosario.  That would hurt his value, but there’s been rumors that Hugh Jackman is straight too, but all I keep seeing are photos of him married to his grandmother.  I don’t think Rosario is going anywhere, but, again, it doesn’t matter since you shouldn’t be drafting these guys anyway.)  UPDATE:  The Rockies have not announced-announced that Rosario is the backup.  Did Scioscia start managing the Rockies?  2015 Projections:  38/12/44/.278/1

25. Christian Vazquez – Best case scenario is Vazquez puts together a Yadier Molina-type year.  The worst case scenario is he pees in a cup and sells it to you for your life savings, billing it as a magical elixir.  Likely outcome for 2015 is somewhere in between the best and worst case scenarios.  2015 Projections:  47/6/51/.252/3

26. Tyler Flowers – I could’ve sworn when I started this tier I had every intention of liking these guys.  I keed (kinda).  These guys are okay for a two-catcher flyer.  Face it, 25 catchers deep and you couldn’t get that excited about any catcher even in 1998 when Sammy Sosa was still black and people were sticking needles in their butts on the reg.  2015 Projections:  46/16/53/.203/2

27. Alex Avila – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until the end.  I call this tier, “Damn, ninja, you really punted.”  Avila has a good season under his belt.  Back when Tara Reid was the next It Girl.  2015 Projections:  42/10/48/.212/2

28. Rene Rivera – Here’s what I said this offseason, “Heads to the RaysRene Rivera was once a sexy, just-one-of-the-guy-types seen in movies like Get Shorty and Tin Cup– *checking notes*  Yeah, that’s right, but now she’s a major league catcher.  Rene has 12-homer power and legs that go on forever.”  And that’s me drooling on me!  Rene Rivera sounds sexy!  Shut up, Intern, I’m not thinking of Rene Russo.  (Note:  After the trade of Jaso to the Rays, I made slight alterations to Rivera’s projections.  I’m like a tailor with numbers!)  2015 Projections:  39/10/42/.244

29. Chris Iannetta – He cut his strikeouts last year and hit .252, which is way above his career average of .236.  He also only hit 7 homers, and resembled a turd for five months of a six month season.  “To avoid clogging the toilet, no sanitary napkins or Iannettas.”  That’s the Angels bathroom sign.  2015 Projections:  44/12/49/.232/3

30. John JasoJohn Jaso Jingleheimer Schmidt is not your definition of a starting mixed league catcher and he’s not mine either!  2015 Projections:  43/7/41/.260/2

31. Kurt Suzuki – He had a productive year last year.  Shoot, I meant to say he had a productive year for him.  Stupid missing caveat!  2015 Projections:  40/4/51/.262/1

32. Carlos Ruiz – Last but not least.  Actually, that’s a lie.  2015 Projections:  43/7/40/.255/2

  1. Count de Monetball says:
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    I can’t wait to draft the highest catcher remaining on your list with my last pick in the draft!

  2. J-FOH says:
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    Cram day!

    • Count de Monetball says:
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      @J-FOH: Ha Ha, you mean Cram your Catcher Question up your Cramhole? Almost forgot about that Jack….

    • Cram It says:
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      @J-FOH: And on the 7th day, God created catchers….

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Cram It: looking at this list I could honestly say catches is so deep…for catchers. Deepest I have ever seen it.

        • Cram It says:
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          @J-FOH: Maybe. I’ll revisit the subject of catcher in round 25 on draft day.

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Cram It: I’m doing a creepy catcher addition to my creeper post. I’m thinking of calling it cramnof

            • Cram It says:
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              @J-FOH: Ha. You should do that! It would severely cut down the Norris/Vogt/Castro questions throughout the year. Just grab some of J-FOH’s cramnof.

  3. Russ says:
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    Is Josmil Pinto on this list by seasons end? Or not even within sniffing distance? I’m guessing barring an injury to Suzuki it’ll be tough

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Russ: He needs playing time, I’d prefer he start to Suzuki

      • Hoosier Daddy says:
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        @Grey: @Grey: If he gets the starting gig, which tier does Pinto go into? d’Arnaud’s?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, around there

  4. Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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    so none of us will own mesoraco, unlike last year when i had him in like 77% of all my leagues; good news is my shallow leagues are probably gonna have the same catchers that i have in deep ones in d’arnaud and zunino. grandal’s likely gonna be on a lot too. i’m guessing those conger/castro projections are mutually exclusive, and only work if one of them starts for majority of the time.

      • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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        @Grey: yeah, but you gotta assume and hope one of them get there (and one of them technically could, we’re still very early), and hedge the early lines.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yup

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Oh, and if the Astros go on record in March with Conger or Castro definitely as their starter, I’ll likely drop the other one out of the rankings

          • Catcher Fever says:
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            @Grey: Gattis supposedly taking a physical with the Astros. The Braves are apparently punting offense this year.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              That would change things a tad

  5. Frank says:
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    Great as always, I have posey as a keeper in my most important league so usually this is the least required ranking post for me. This year is different as this post forced me to adjust my values on average. High average guys always crept up my board and ruined my power numbers. Hopefully as my system evolves I’ll gain more success. Thanks again

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Frank: No problem

  6. JeF With 1 F says:
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    Great as always……and catchers blow!!
    It was a cold night in the Crew Cab last night.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @JeF With 1 F: When you thinking you can work your way into your wife’s good graces?

      • JeF With 1 F says:
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        @Grey: about a week

      • JeF With 1 F says:
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        @Grey: then ill see if shes interested in a threesome …or is that pushing it

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Hmm…Might be pushing it… First ask if your friend can just watch you and your wife… Once you’ve done that a few times it won’t be as far of a reach…

          • JeF With 1 F says:
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            @Grey: Good thinking

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              You’re welcome!

          • JeF With 1 F says:
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            @Grey: When i ask ill say…but Grey said this should be ok……i shouldnt have to say anything after that

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, definitely!

  7. B says:
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    Thanks for the write-up.

    Would your draft strategy change if it was a one-catcher, 20 team league?

    • JeF With 1 F says:
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      @B: Mine wouldnt…there is less of every position to go around so i would still worry about catcher last.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @B: Nah, I’d aim for around d’Arnaud

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @Grey: he works in 30 team leagues as well, esp if you have him at rookie value.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          True

      • B says:
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        @Grey:

        Thanks.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  8. Rog says:
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    Santana in an OBP league becomes a stud – would you consider paying his price in an OBP League?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Rog: Not in a one catcher league

  9. Mes to the Rocco says:
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    What do you project from santana in obp & slg? Is he a top 50 player in roto w/ obp/slg instead of avg/hr?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Mes to the Rocco: Here’s around top 50… OBP and SLG projections come out in Feb

  10. CMUTIMMAH says:
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    “21. Stephen Vogt – I believe…I believe…I believe in Stephen Vogt! Can’t wait to see what chants the A’s fans come up with for Semien. Gulp. 2015 Projections: 56/11/52/.288/2”

    Had to fight back spitting my coffee across my desk. I did not, however, I was able to swallow it. Much like Oakland fans will this year. I was successful, consider yourself foiled, Grey!

  11. Bammers says:
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    Like having Santana 1st. I made the same argument and was told I was crazy.

    Cliff Lee, Mike Minor, Ervin Santana, Verlander, Kyle Hendricks, Duffy, Willy Peralta, Liriano, Cain, or Trevor Baur in dynasty points league draft?

    • Bammers says:
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      @Bammers: One more – David Wright, Ryan Zimmerman, Headley, or Castellanos at 3B?

    • Bammers says:
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      @Bammers: Wade Miley and Brandon McCarthy also available, just forgot to list them.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Bammers: Liriano or Bauer, depending on how young I wanted to go

  12. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!

    1. Reggie Roby, huh? Would that be like a good Roby – aka 65 yd-punt – or an average Roby – aka 50 yd-punt?

    2. What do you make of moves made by some managers in seasonal H2H leagues I’ve been in which draft Posey or Santana as 1B and then draft another C (like Ramos or lower) to be their catcher to have a backup in case one or the other gets injured? To me it’s a rather dumb move.

    3. I’m liking Stephen Vogt (like the Murder that she wrote), more and more especially given he may get 125 or so games behind the plate PLUS 10, 15 or 20 or so games in the OF to keep the legs fresh.

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ante GALIC: 1. A good Roby 2. I think they’ve drafted around the 10th best 1st baseman 3. If he gets 125 at catcher, I don’t see him getting many elsewhere

  13. Lville Jim says:
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    Been in a ten team redraft league for years now that the commish always drafts the top catchers and then starts talking them up for trade purposes. Eventually he always gets some dumbasses to bite on it and completely over pay for one of them. Shizz is like death and taxes every season.

  14. Filthy Bernard Gilkey says:
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    Your C rankings are bold and very much different from other sites. I like that. I disagree on Lucroy though.

    A guy who could easily hit .300+/.370 with 15-18 HR is closer to Posey than Mauer at this point. The power isn’t sexy but it’s solid and in this AVG depressed age Lucroy is pretty valuable.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Filthy Bernard Gilkey: Thanks! Lucroy’s never hit higher than .320, and only .288 with neutral luck, so .370 sounds aggressive

      • CMUTIMMAH says:
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        @Grey: Lucroy’s one bonus is his workload. In head to head leagues, his workload is a bonus, but it’s hard to consider him higher than 8ish.

        I know one of the guys in our league is for sure keeping him just for the workload. I would laugh at this, but he’s competitive year in and year out with marginal hitters that play everyday and stud pitching. Must be doing something right.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I hear ya, and that is nice in weekly leagues or H2H…

    • Fuzzy Dunlop says:
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      @Filthy Bernard Gilkey: youse betta watch oot fer his wife’s luggage skills der.

  15. Clint says:
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    I’m gonna be interested to see how many people overvalue Norris based on last season’s numbers despite getting trade to Petco. Can already hear ESPN saying “He was a top catcher on player rater last year and now he’s got all the at-bats so he’s GOTTA be top 10 or so.”

    • Clint says:
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      @Clint:
      And one rankings question: how and when do you tweak these as the season approaches, i.e. when should we say these are your final rankings heading into drafts to include any (if it’s needed at all) spring training changes?

    • Hawk says:
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      @Clint:

      One my friends described Norris’ throwing arm as “You know how when some guys throw the ball looks like a bb? Well, when Norris throws it looks like a soft cream puff. There’s nothing on it”

      Relevant information for keeper and dynasty league purposes. Just plain funny for everyone else.

      • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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        @Hawk: Petco and O.Co have similar park factors so moving from one to the other shouldn’t be the cause of any change in batted ball profiles. Re: Norris Awful at steal catching. Yep. Wasn’t he stolen off of like 7 times in that one game vs KC in the playoffs.

        • Clint says:
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          @Aubrey Plaza’s Pillow:
          Unless he loses the starting job for it I doubt that’ll change his ranks among fantasy players in the rankings, though. All they’ll care about is his eye-popping 2014 numbers and the fact he’s going from part to full time in San Diego. I can almost hear Cockroft talking about that increase in playing time leading to Posey-like numbers somehow.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Clint: I change rankings when big news hits and I announce those changes on site

  16. Gus says:
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    Grey in a 12 team 10 keeper H2H league, do I have permission to take Santana with pick number 128? I think waiting for a catcher in this league could hurt. Thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Gus: Yup

    • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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      @Gus: have you actually seen that happen, i.e. santana around at 128? not being facetious, i would love to see that happen.

  17. Baezaworldseries says:
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    Santana has to be top 10 first base. In leagues that count walks/OBP , he is king. Why shouldn’t I draft him there? Is it the ADP?

    • Baezaworldseries says:
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      @Baezaworldseries: OK. So he’s not king(I checked the player rater). Still a good option at first. No?

      • Baezaworldseries says:
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        @Baezaworldseries: In a keeper this offseason I landed Trout. Santana was one of the pieces I gave for him. It’s not relevant. I just want everyone to know I own Trout in the best keeper league in all of fantasy baseball.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Baezaworldseries: He is top ten at 1st base in an OBP league… There’s nine other 1st basemen better, so in a twelve team league, you’re in the bottom third with Santana

  18. los locos says:
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    I’m in a 10 team keeper league, drafting last as defending champ. We keep 7 guys, so that 70 guys off the list and I believe Santana will be kept. Leaving Posey available and possibly at #10 for me, do I still punt or draft him. Other guys that would be available for my 10 & 11 pick, would be Posey, Kinsler, Dozier, Calhoun, Ozuna, Marte, among others.

    I was thinking of taking Marte and Dozier if they are both there. Thoughts? Or do I take Posey and one of the guys above?

    I am keeping – Frazier, Arenado, Brantley and Hanley. Kershaw Strausburg and Shoemaker.

    OBP, HR, R, RBI, SB & K/9 QS WHIP ERA SV

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @los locos: I’d take Marte or Dozier

  19. PK says:
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    Catcher questions are still not allowed, even in the catcher ranking post. Stop it!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @PK: Ha

  20. stynyr says:
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    What up, Grey?

    We’re changing things up in my league so we’re only keeping two or three this year. Can you pick three and order them in case they only do two keepers? If we’re going by the same criteria as keep-5, I’m thinking the candidates are two/three of Arenado, Rizzo, CarGo, Braun and Kershaw, but I want to hear what da’ boy say, nah’mean?

    Thanks for all you do, man!

    Arenado
    Aybar
    Braun
    Kris Bryant
    Car Go
    Alex Gordon
    Longoria
    Lucroy
    Moss
    Myers
    Rizzo
    Springer
    Neil Walker

    Kershaw
    Fiers
    Carrasco
    Hammel
    Hawkins
    Kazmir
    McHugh
    Perkins
    Smyly
    Teheran
    Wacha

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @stynyr: Rizzo, Arenado, Kershaw

  21. UL's Toothpick says:
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    Posey-itis @ #20 ADP. Only catcher in Top 50.
    http://hosted.stats.com/mlb/adp.asp?pos=all

    Steamer loves Rene which confuses me, although, not as confusing as Renee Richards or Bruce Jenner.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @UL’s Toothpick: I believe Steamer loved him before he had competition at catcher

  22. bossmanjunior333 says:
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    So in a shallow 10 team 1 catcher league, what tier or group of players would you be looking at? What it be too crazy to see which one of Gattis/Gomes/Meso drops the farthest or should I just take the 10th best guy, whoever that may be?

    Also, in regards to Jaso and Rivera, Jaso will be the primary DH for the Rays versus RHP and will only see occasional time behind the plate. As of now, Rivera looks to get the bulk of the time unless the Rays acquire another catcher to pair with him.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      With your last pick, take the highest catcher left… Rivera is still 31 years old with a high of 11 homers

  23. Jeff P says:
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    Last year in my auction league, Posey went at $13. This is roughly equivalent to an 8th round in a 5×5 12 teamer, and Santana at $11 (10th round equiv). You still wouldn’t for either around there? I really want Santana or Gattis this year, because I am all about C eligible guys who are not playing there (I’ve had Napoli and VMart on my teams in the past, to great success).

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Those sound like good prices for them, this isn’t last year though

  24. King Friedman says:
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    Don’t you see Yasmani splitting time with AJ in LA? Could hurt his PT & Stats with no DH slot?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yasmani will likely get a few games at 1st and should get the majority of the starts behind the plate… All catchers have backups, doesn’t worry me…

  25. OldMilwaukeePounders says:
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    Very masculine rankings, Grey. When your catcher rankings come out, I automatically scroll down to the12-25 range. Pretending the top 11 or so don’t exist is the best way to cope with them.

    I’ve got a 12 team H2H keeper query for you. Not sure what to do with my last spot
    My fo sho keepers: Edwin E, Rizzo, Upton, Cano
    My possibles: Cespedes, Soler, Wright, Wong, Sonny Gray, Price, Wacha

    My early inclination is Cespedes or Price. I just have such a hard time sanctioning keeping a pitcher, even if he is a K machine like Price.

    Thanks in advance

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Cespedes

      • Nick says:
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        You should just choose between Wright and Wong!

        In all seriousness though, I strongly disagree with Grey. I’d keep Price and it’s not that close for me. It’s nice to have an anchor on the pitching side, and Price led the league in strikeouts last year. He was unlucky with his BABIP, so his peripherals could actually improve this year. His strikeout and walk rates are already amazing. Cespedes is overrated and injury prone. I’d rather have a guy like Saunders much later.

  26. Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo says:
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    still any plans to have a razzball league (not RCL, i mean the backwards leagues where the worst players are best), like razz poker, inverse. I want to try one of those out.
    2. so has rendon moved ahead of puig for keeper status in NL only 10 team roto leagues with net steals and extra base hits as extra categories? when i asked this back in sep it was puig (and my comish might get pissed if i change picks, but i can’t imagine i’m the only one wanting to do that; the whole idea of picking keepers in aug-sep is asinine and there’s simply no good reason for it). my other keeper is rizzo so far, we start 4 OF/ 1 extra IF and 1 at each position besides.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      1. Unlikely 2. Yup

      • Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo says:
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        @Grey: 1. the last time one of those happened it was in 2013 i believe? what site was it on? I want to run my own if nobody else is. Need to go about knowing what to do. Think it will be a good player eval lesson to figure out which players are the worst with the most playing time (even funnier to see which are also owned in regular best players are best player leagues).
        3. almost forgot, you know about where Ottoneu leagues generally are (both which site, and ways to join)? That’s the real “best” player is the best player leagues, simply getting rid of RBI’s/wins other shit that has nothing to do with skill sounds sweet too.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Last time we did it was in 2013… 3. Fangraphs

          • Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo says:
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            @Grey: 1. sorry, i didn’t make it clear. what site did you guys do it on in 2013? I’m trying to find out even how to set up a league like that, where K’s help a hitter, but hurt a pitcher, and at bats without hits/lack of completed innings/baserunners allowed are good things, and outs/hits are bad.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              We did it on Yahoo

  27. Nelson Santovenia says:
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    Do you not think Dionner Navarro will be a top 27 C because of his skills, or because you think he stays in Tor and doesnt get to 300ABs?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I don’t think he gets 300 ABs, and if he does, he brings little interest… Things just happen to break right for him last year

  28. Fish says:
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    Ranking catchers – the moment you realize your life is existentially pointless.

    Clicking and reading a ranking of catchers (and subsequent comments) – ensuring the guy from the first parts gets paid $.00065 for said pointlessness (and confirming depreciating self-worth*).

    *The hip-hop term for this this is the “Brian McCann”

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      .00065 sounds aggressive

  29. Bye Felicia says:
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    Let the catcher questions begin.

    I’ll take Carlton Fisk in the 1st round

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Hehe

      • Bye Felicia says:
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        @Grey: Sorry.. I meant Buster Posey :-)

  30. J-FOH says:
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    With the addition of the creey catcher element to my creeer post, I’m thinking of calling it CRAMnof in honor of the man who made it his goal to stand up and fight against the absurd catcher questions. You got a catcher question? Read J-FOH’s Creeer every week! Stay Creepy My Friends (said like the Dos Equis guy)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Doesn’t really work as an acronym or a portmanteau

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: exactly! Like catchers it makes no sense. But you are kinda right too, and you know I am a sucker for a good portmanteau….damn I love me a good portmanteau and will work on it. I want to name a set of boobs port and manteau I love it so much.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha…. Your quest for a portmanteau is a boobdoggle

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: I need a portmansherpa to guide me.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              A sherpartner in crime

    • Happy Vegans says:
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      @J-FOH: Jonathan Goldsmith

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Happy Vegans: stay hungry my friend…because you’re a vegan…ya know what I’m saying.

        • Happy Vegans says:
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          @J-FOH: ‘Cuz I always am? True.

          Faux beef? chicken? tofu! False.

    • Cram It says:
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      @J-FOH: Catchers ain’t got no face.

      • Bye Felicia says:
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        @Cram It: All of my Catchers live on the wire. I just add the flavor of the month. Razzball has taught me well.

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Cram It: over used and unoriginal. why don’t you go cram that one up your cram hole (note: I am just practicing some swings for the season)

        • Cram It says:
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          @J-FOH: I’m saying that’s why the nof works. It’s kinda port(*scrolls up, checks spelling, scrolls down*)manteau-ish.

  31. Bye Felicia says:
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    Did anyone else see that vegas is giving the cubs nearly identical odds of making the World Series as the Cardinals.
    Blasphemy!

    Cubs are still Cubs. Admittedly as a Cards fan they’ve done well with procuring young talent. I just think it’s a little premature to put them up there in 2015. I still think they’re a couple years away from being a contender.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Maybe they have Biff’s Sports Almanac

      • Bye Felicia says:
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        @Grey: HAHA!
        I bet $50 on the Colts at 40-1 to win it all preseason. So I suppose anything can happen. Gonna be tuff beating NE at home this week.
        I thought you’re M’s bet last year might pay off until they tanked the last couple of weeks.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I have no idea what you mean

          • Bye Felicia says:
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            @Grey: Sorry, I forgot you don’t watch football. Ha!

    • Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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      @Bye Felicia: as a STL person i do think this year having the same price seems early, but i doubt it takes 2 years for CUBS to be at least competing for divisions here, if not winning them yet. They may be anticipating a lot of CUBS money (i’ve read CUBS have the 2nd most fans worldwide of all baseball teams), and anticipate getting CUBS fans to pay more won’t scare them off (generally a good idea when you know fans will pay for a slight overcharge)

      • Bye Felicia says:
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        @Montezuma’s Revenge… right now: I’m ready for the Cubs to do something. The Chicago fans deserve it after all these years. It’s been what over 100 years since they won the WS?

        • Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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          @Bye Felicia: yeah, it’s always fun to hang out with lifetime CUBS fans too, since most of them simply scoff when you tell them within last 2 years that very soon their team will be very good (they’ve probably heard it every 5-7 years over their entire lifetime);they have the highest level of masochism in sports seemingly, it’s hilarious. CUBS fans might not know how to take yes for an answer.

          • Bye Felicia says:
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            @Montezuma’s Revenge… right now: Cubs fans are accustomed to hearing this is the year, or next year we’ll get there. I grew up in Chicago, I’ve heard everything. Theo’s doing a pretty good job though. I think they’ll move a couple guys midseason if they have a shot competing for the division.

        • Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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          @Bye Felicia: CUBS having a worse price for NL pennant this year seems crazy, as far as betting sites handicapping it that way, unless maybe CUBS fans already have moved that price over that much. what site was that (big one like bovada?)

          • Bye Felicia says:
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            @Montezuma’s Revenge… right now: it’s the vegas site that averages the odds of all books. The odds shot up after they signed Lester. Too bad that’s not going to make or break them. They still don’t have a solid back-end, or bullpen. I just feel it’s a suckers bet at those odds when it’s one of the most competitive divisions in baseball.

            • Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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              @Bye Felicia: you most certainly should be getting more than 6-1 for pennant. vegas insider, it’s good to be able to know the averages, esp when it comes to futures.

    • Happy Vegans says:
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      @Bye Felicia: Perfect reason to bet baseball games.

  32. In a $260 14 team 2C league, I need to keep two of :
    $11 Td’A | $15 Fraizer | $1 Arrieta
    thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Arrieta, Frazier

  33. Rick Garlinghouse says:
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    In a 12 team 2 catcher format would you suggest to take a catcher around #8 or 9 the just draft the 2nd catcher late?

    On a side note after reading some discussion on K. Bryant on a different RB post, I remember reading somewhere that all the Cubs have to do, to control his service time is for him to miss the 1st 9 games of the season. Just wondering if someone could verify that. Doesn’t sound like a duck but it could be a duck. Thanks, and I enjoy your posts each day.

  34. Hoosier Daddy says:
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    I need to keep 3:

    A. – Miggy $41, AuShizz $34, Arenando $17,

    or save big money and go with..

    B. – AuShizz $34, Arenando $17, Soler $7

    I was initially thinking I’d hold onto Miggy, AuShizz, and Arenando. Would you have enough faith in Arenando to drop the extra weight of Miggy and his high price for Soler to free up $$$ and go into the draft with a more money to spend?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      B

  35. Wake Up says:
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    There were four words that I didn’t recognize slash acknowledge colon…snapchat…even this doesn’t recognize it…it wants snapshot, that word I am familiar with…very familiar with, nom sayin? Number two, toit…Numbers three and four are Reggie and Roby…most likely a Canadian buddy cop duo, but also could be an old wrestler I’ve never heard of…was he on a reality tv show that I’ve never cared about? Ugh, so many words…so little time…what were we talking about, catchers?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Reggie Roby RIP, Haha Dix…

      • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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        @Grey: any suspicions that that dude’s mom was friends with lewinsky?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Likely

      • Wake Up says:
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        @Grey: He’s gone before I got a chance to know him?
        All we are is dust…and the wins…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Kansas knows…

  36. Jiggy Nits says:
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    2 Catcher NL only 5×5 Roto league… pick one to keep:

    1$ Ramos this year only
    10$ d’Arnaud for this year and next

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ramos

  37. JoeG414 says:
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    Gattis to the Astros

    • PK says:
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      @JoeG414: Boo, I wanted the Hank Conger show to start.

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Gattis isnt their catcher

      • Fuzzy Dunlop says:
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        @PK: it will screw with gross… man’s value.

    • PK says:
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      @JoeG414: Rotoworld is speculating that Gattis will DH a lot. What about my man Chris Carter?

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        I updated Gattis’s blurb

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup

  38. The JoGarza says:
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    I wonder how Astros will use Gattis. The added benefit of a DH is good for him. Just wonder if that kills Conger’s value if they decide to make him catch.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No reason Gattis catches more than once every couple of weeks

  39. scotty the captain says:
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    yo grey- what do u think of the white sox at 25-1 to win the world series??? they are 12-1 to win the pennant. i looked about a month ago and they were 40-1. i know you arent a gambler (smart man) but im kinda liking the value of the other chicago team that nobody is talking about. totally off subject but my favorite christmas gift was the SCHADENFREUDE shirt my wife had made for me. glad to be back reading the site. lets have another fun year razzballies!!!!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nice! I want one! White Sox sound like decent odds there

  40. Teddy Heater says:
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    Are roofie & Cosby’d related?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup!

      • Teddy Heater says:
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        @Grey: Love it! I was SO EXCITED about top 10 & top 20 that I forgot to comment on it! I kinda feel like Matt Williams could be the Fantasy Mangers Cosby????

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Why? He roofies people?

          • Teddy Heater says:
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            @Grey: I don’t think so, but he looks like he has, I was just referring to his managing style.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, he’s shifty

  41. Five-On-One says:
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    Regarding Santana, any chance he gets 10 games at Catcher during this year? Without the catcher eligibility, he is just another guy.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sure, he could

  42. MattTruss

    MattTruss223 says:
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    Checking out Oso Blanco’s spray chart and I think he may find the Crawford Boxes very useful. Plus, they make for a short LF, good for his limited range.

    I’m gonna be a sad Braves fan this year. They did get a pretty good package for a 23rd round pick though. Got two good years out of him and flipped him for high upside younguns. Still, loved watching him bat.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Seriously, why are they depleting their entire lineup? The offense looks awful… Has management said something?

      • Happy Vegans says:
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        @Grey: New stadium & lots of money, combined with very few high $$$ contracts and youngsters with talent under control. Say hello to 2017!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Gotcha

      • MattTruss

        MattTruss223 says:
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        @Grey: Eh, not really, just the usual, “restocking a depleted farm system” rhetoric. They’re apparently punting until 2017 when they move into the new stadium. At least that’s the lip service. “We’ll make a big splash then”. Weird knowing there’s zero chance at the playoffs. That’s never happened in my lifetime.

        • goodfold2 says:
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          @MattTruss223: at least they aren’t pretending to be competing this year, pretty much as soon as we saw heyward get flipped it was likely the process, as (Grey earlier pointed out) ATL’s pitching was fine last year, even having lost 40 % of rotation in two preseason days. Offense was 2nd worst to SD, so when they dropped off prime of career best defensive RF with power/speed upside you could kind of guess they were saying F-Off 2015.

        • Happy Vegans says:
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          @MattTruss223: It makes perfect business sense. If you were buying an existing business and you were the new boss, you’d:

          1) have your own vision as to where you’d want to take the company;
          2) let go all of the old time/expensive employees
          3) find new revenue streams/cut your costs
          4) bring in young hungry new employees to make your vision a reality

          • MattTruss

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            @Happy Vegans: I never said it didn’t, but perfect business sense doesn’t mean fans are happy short term though. It can still suck right now and be good long term.

        • Grey

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          Yeah, bizarre to do that when they could’ve just been good going into their new stadium…

          • Happy Vegans says:
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            @Grey: Yeah, I get it but J. Upton and Heyward would cost you big $$$. Also, maybe the free agent class of 2017 looks better when looking at $$$/talent/return.

            There’s always ego involved too!

            • Grey

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              Yeah, those two are understandable, but they gutted their team… I don’t know, I think of it as a keeper league… You never know when everything’s coming together, so don’t ever punt… Like the Royals going into last year was that much better than the Braves before gutting their team

              • MattTruss

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                @Grey: Albright nailed it (of course). As a fan, you (well, I) NEVER want to punt. As a fan, I don’t give a crap about the business, I want to WIN….ALWAYS. That’s the bottom line, it’s why we’re (I’m) fans, short for fanatic after all. So much can happen between now and then to be looking at the 2017 FA class as your saving grace. Plenty of teams seem to be able to reload on the fly and never have a last place finish. I don’t know, it might be great in 2017, but it still sucks in 2015

                • Happy Vegans says:
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                  @MattTruss223: From a fans perspective, I understand.

                  But all great franchises in every sport have to occasionally reload (Lakers, Cowboys, Yankees, Bob’s Vegan Bowlers, etc.).

                • Grey

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                  Yeah, and 2017 is no guarantee either… It’s a terrible strategy…

              • Happy Vegans says:
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                @Grey: I agree.

                I started paying semi-attention to the Braves situation a couple of years ago when they were complaining about not having enough revenue to compete. And from a business POV, it’s been interesting to watch as the whole thing unfolds.

                I guess the only thing to do is sit back and see how it all ends up.

                • MattTruss

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                  @Happy Vegans: Yea, kinda think this is an issue when a corporation owns the team instead of a single owner. Or maybe I’m just thinking that because Turner wanted to win and put his money up to do that. I don’t see Liberty Media spending/caring enough to really go for it. They’d be content being OK and collecting revenue from Braves Country.

                  • Happy Vegans says:
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                    @MattTruss223: Yep.

                    In addition, the really sad part is that someone did some sort of a discounted cash flow analysis before they crunched any sort of baseball metrics.

                    Unfortunately, this has been going on since before Comiskey.

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                      @Happy Vegans: i still wouldn’t have dumped both upton and heyward (esp heyward, since he’s very young) i would however, simply cut bj upton if they need to save money.

                • Grey

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                  Yup, but like I just said to Matt… There’s no guarantees for 2017 either, so the whole thing feels flawed

  43. JoeMorgan'sMustache says:
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    16 team 5 keeper auction, h2h,…so lots of good players are off the board. Ones that are thrown back go for a good bit. My for sure 4 are Bautista $37, Abreu $35, Desmond $14, Puig $2. I would say having 4 players in your top 20 to start the year is good…right? ha. I know how you feel about catchers and I am generally of same mind set ( drafted Gomes in here last year for instance), but I have Santana. I swung a trade for him last year when he was struggling…only cost me Jon Singleton. This yahoo so he will have C. .OPS is added cat. So, would you keep Santana for $20 or J Zimmermann for $18? Pitching is so deep and I usually choose to bats when it’s close. I think having Santana at C in a league this size could be a nice benefit…your thoughts?

    • JoeMorgan'sMustache says:
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      @JoeMorgan’sMustache: Btw, wanted to say thanks for the work you do…love seeing these rankings coming out!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No problem… Go with Santana

  44. GhostTownSteve says:
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    I like Chirinos this year. Kind of a hunch play. More of a qualitative pick. I think he’s a solid player. His defense should win him playing time and patience. He showed some decent plate discipline in the minors and I could see the walk rate come up from 5% and the K rate come down just a bit as well. A little babip luck and a few more balls in play and you could be looking at a 20/.260 guy and you will definitely take that with where he’s going to be drafted.

    • Grey

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      Yup, don’t late that very late play or as a guy in a very deep league…

      • GhostTownSteve says:
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        @Grey:

        By the way, I’ve had this theory for a long time that catchers walk more than the hitter population at large. Turns out not so. Or not meaningfully so. They walked just over 8% of the time (qualified 2014) and the league average was just a tick below 8%. You’d think they’d be particularly good at picking up pitches and location early. I am thinking walk rate is a mentality more than it is an “eye”. I wonder how you could validate that statistically.

        Santana is not RCL eligible at 11 games, correct? Needs 20. Will he see any time at catcher this year? If he played once a week and you could get him as a C1 in a two catcher league three months in that would be a big bump in his draft spot. I run a metric where I score players for K/BB, LD% and HR/FB and I find it to be a nice piece in my evaluation puzzle every year. Santana scores really well. I see his numbers from last year as a projection floor. I like him a ton.

        • Grey

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          That does make sense about catchers, you’d think they’d pick up pitches better, but if that was the case, they’d be better hitters and that doesn’t really pan out…

          Santana is not for RCL… I think Santana only sees 5-15 games this year if Gomes stays healthy… So unlikely he gets the eligibility there for this year… Yup, I like him too… Unlikely to own him, but do like him…

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            @Grey:

            Santana is not actually looking that expensive in early NFBC data. He was in the 60s overall by the RCL and other player raters. He’s coming off the board at 76 overall. He was the 13th best 1st baseman last year according to Razz and he’s coming off 9th this season, which, given the upside is not totally unreasonable. I wonder if this is a case where the lack of catcher eligibility is actually tempering the draft slot. There’s a cognitive illusion at work where the perception of value is lowered because you think, ah, he’s not catcher eligible any more and meanwhile he’s going at a slight discount to his actual value.

            • Grey

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              Yeah, that could be about lowered perceptions, I was thinking that when I put together the top 20 1st basemen for tomorrow… Santana checks in around 10th overall, which isn’t awful, and there’s a case to be that he’s a 1st baseman, not just a catcher or corner man…

        • Grey

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          Oh, and I wonder what catchers’ overall ability is when looking at just their swinging at pitches outside the zone… Prolly not significantly different than other hitters…

          • GhostTownSteve says:
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            @Grey:

            Over the last 10 years all players (catchers included) with at least 250 MLB ABs have an average zSwing% of 66.24% and an oSwing% of 27.23%. Catcher have 67.44% and 28.2% respectively. No real difference. I have to admit I am kind of surprised but there are lots of explanations. Hitting is about more than “seeing pitches” well. Seeing pitches as a catcher and a hitter are two different things. Catchers become major leaguers for reasons outside of the hit tool.

            I continue to enjoy using the phrase “hit tool”.

            • Grey

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              Yeah, reasons outside of the hit tool is likely the key reason… They do other things well… Poor guys, an underdeveloped hit tool…

              • GhostTownSteve says:
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                @Grey:

                Ever notice how many sexual metaphors etc involve carpentry? Screw, nail, pound, tool, hammer, hollering out Jesus Christ…

                • Grey

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                  Ha! Laying pipe?

                  • GhostTownSteve says:
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                    @Grey:

                    nice

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                      @GhostTownSteve: One of my favorites is when I hear someone say, “She’s wood glue”

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      @GhostTownSteve: Santana is third base eligible, is he not? Wouldn’t that be much more valuable than playing him at first?

      Interesting stuff, by the way, Steve. I was going through A’s lineups with my buddy who is a diehard fan, and just when we felt we had a grip on them, they traded Escobar! At least that means more playing time for Semien (probably).

  45. Alex says:
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    Grey, if competing now in dynasty, is tillman and Semien for rollins a good deal?

    • Grey

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      Meh

  46. Denys says:
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    Gattis to Astros. Womp womp…

    • Grey

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      Yup

  47. Boomer19 says:
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    Evening Grey. Loving the rankings so far. I have to choose between Tulo and Frazier for my final keeper in my 5×5 roto league. I find my self going back and forth and i know it hinges on health closer to April but I wanted your thoughts. Is it close? Thanks.

    • Grey

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      No problem… It’s close… The number of teams in your league is more important than 5×5…

      • Boomer19 says:
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        There are 13 teams. Top top 5 players at each position will be kept. So no rendon, Donaldson, beltre, Arenado etc for third baseman and similar kept ss.

        • Grey

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          I’d go Tulo

  48. Bazzrall says:
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    Hey Grey, CANT WAIT FOR A NEW YEAR OF BASEBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with you especially ;) Love the bold predictions, not just the cookie-cutter top 20 that no doubt a lot of sites will have. You’ll give me the edge I need and I can’t WAIT to draft Arenado in the 5th, Rendon in the 4th, etc.

    Anyways, with one league, I’m having trouble determining my keepers. It’s a OBP and QS league with 14 keepers. Could you help me out in picking 14 guys?

    Ryan Braun
    Byron Buxton
    Asdrubal Cabrera
    Matt Carpenter
    Joey Gallo
    Dee Gordon
    Jedd Gyorko
    Eric Hosmer
    Evan Longoria
    Jonathan Lucroy
    Martín Prado
    Mark Trumbo
    Kennys Vargas
    Christian Yelich

    Carlos Carrasco
    Wei-Yin Chen
    José Fernández
    Kevin Gausman
    Marco Gonzales
    Miguel González
    Matt Harvey
    Kenley Jansen
    Rick Porcello
    Trevor Rosenthal
    Matt Shoemaker

    Thank you so much Grey! Happy 2015!

    • Grey

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      Happy New Year! Dee Gordon, Yelich, Hosmer, Longo, Carrasco, Shoemaker, Braun, Gyorko, Fernandez, Harvey, Trumbo, Vargas, Lucroy, Jansen

      • Bazzrall says:
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        @Grey: Who would be the first one out if I wanted to keep Buxton?

        • Grey

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          Lucroy

  49. SteveNZ says:
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    Is maybe Arnaud the guy that could be this year’s Mesoraco? You know, the guy you grabbed in May because Santana is hitting .120 and he ended up being so good that you couldn’t bear to let him go…

    • Grey

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      Yeah, completely… D’Arnaud could hit .120 himself though

    • Ghost says:
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      Kept Santana in my lineup all last year and he payed off in the end. But I like Mesoraco and I am hoping to have Arnaud in my lineup this year.

      • Grey

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        Cool

  50. Ghost says:
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    I worked outside today in Single Digit Weather and was counting down the minutes until I could get back to warmth and scour over you Post today and you gave us Top 20 Catchers??? your a Catcher!

    • Grey

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      HA…Sorry, friend

  51. slew says:
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    Sounds like Yunel Escobar is going to be dealt to the Nats for Clippard. Does this mean Desmond is gonzo?

    • Grey

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      Yunel will play 2B

  52. Jon says:
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    Hey Grey! I have room for 10-12 keeper bats. Who ya got?

    C Gomes
    1B Goldy
    1B/3B Frazier
    1B Hosmer
    2B Kipnis
    2B Walker
    3B Donaldson
    3B Arenado
    SS Desmond
    SS Tulowitzki
    OF Stanton
    OF Jones
    OF Heyward
    OF Polanco
    OF Betts

    • Grey

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      Not Walker, Heyward, Gomes

  53. Ralph says:
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    Portman Toe?

  54. Bazzrall says:
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    pick 5 to keep plz

    Ryan Braun
    Corey Dickerson
    Edwin Encarnación
    Freddie Freeman
    Alex Gordon
    Albert Pujols
    Jorge Soler
    Sean Doolittle
    Mike Fiers
    Matt Harvey
    Julio Teherán

    hard, innit?

    • Grey

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      Dickerson, Edwin, Pujols, Freeman, Braun

  55. Jim says:
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    I love your rankings. Agree with you more than anyone else.
    Question. Every source has Lucroy rated MUCH higher ( most have him#2 catcher ).
    Why such a LARGE difference?

    • Sky

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      Not to be a jerk, but it’s pretty clear from the blurb he wrote about him

    • Grey

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      Cause his value is predicated on runs, RBIs and average vs big power or speed

  56. jal179 says:
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    12 team redraft league I’m thinking of going…

    1st- Elite 1b (unless I get the big fish)
    2nd- Rizzo or Donaldson
    3rd- Upton type/best OF available
    4th-Arenado
    5th- Carlos Santana
    6th- Teheran type as my SP ace

    I’m buying Santana with C eligibility around 60th overall. Many will shun me but he feels safe for 25 HRs. From the mocks I’ve run, Greinke types available in the 5th….. I’m gonna try waiting on SPs but it does feel a bit weird

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      @jal179:

      Gattis climbing the ADP ladder. Where does his value stop?

      • Grey

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        Don’t draft a top catcher

        • jal179 says:
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          @Grey:

          At 75thish overall, an everyday, power hitting 1B with C eligibility really isn’t that bad is it? Totally agree on punting due to durability/injury reasons but does not apply here.

          He’s gonna get more expensive and i’ll likely pass… Ramos intrigues me.

  57. The Theory says:
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    I blank for a week (damn you intense work schedule!) and we start getting the top-whatever position write-ups!? PRAISE JESUS.

    I’m surprised that Devin Mesoraco is that high. Several early lists I’ve seen this year have him plated waaaaay lower. Basically assuming major regression. Not saying y’all are wrong, of course. Trust you more than (insert random site here). But it is going to be interesting to see how he ranks on the Major Sites, how his ADP shakes out, and all that jazz. (Regardless of ranking, I suspect his ADP will be higher than I’d be comfortable paying.

    Unless someone really falls to me, I’ll probably be flipping catcher on waivers all year. I love catchers for being a position I can ignore until late in a draft, and I hate catcher for being a position I have to pay attention to the rest of the season.

  58. Det. John Kimble says:
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    Great write ups as always Grey.

    I’m in a 10-team H2H categories league and I’m thinking I’m not going to spend more than $3 ($260 budget auction style draft) on any of these guys. Don’t want to be the guy that pays 10 bucks extra to get Perez as opposed to Wieters.

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