For those looking for pictures of ballplayers taking off their ballcap and recapping themselves, you’re in the wrong place!  Though, sometimes I get the sense people in the comments aren’t wearing pants, so if that does it for you, there ya go.  Oh, who are we kidding, I’m not wearing pants.  Pants are for conformist sissies!  So, after going over the top 20 catchers, top 20 1st basemen, top 20 2nd basemen and top 20 shortstops, which brings us to…Hold on, I have to scroll up to the title.  It’s the 3rd basemen?  Oh, awesome!  Pound for pound, the 3rd basemen were as good, if not better than any other position, and that’s not a Sandoval crack.  Trust me, I wouldn’t force my worst enemy to look at a Sandoval crack, or anything stuck in his crack either.  This final ranking is from our Fantasy Baseball Player Rater with my comments.  The Player Rater allows me to be impartial while looking at how I ranked players in the preseason.  I look forward to the random comment about how I’ve left off so-and-so.  This is not for next year.  Lisa Simpson groan.  Oh, they’re not reading this intro either.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 3rd basemen for 2015 fantasy baseball and how they compare to where I originally ranked them:

1. Josh Donaldson – Technically, I ranked him first and Arenado 2nd for 3rd basemen if you remove Miggy, who didn’t even have 3rd base eligibility in ESPN, so TADOW!  How you like me?  Better or worse than before?  Why did you not like me before?  I’m concerned about our relationship, but obviously you’re not!  Here’s a general point on Donaldson, Arenado and really all guys that I projected and ranked.  The ones I liked that did well, I didn’t project high enough, and the ones I didn’t like that didn’t do well, I didn’t project low enough.  I think it’s a trap that all people that do projections fall into.  You don’t trust yourself to really be outlandish with the good and bad ones so you hedge.  The general gist was I was right on Donaldson, just not right enough.  General Gist was also my high school rock band that kicked major ass.  Preseason Rank #2, 2015 Projections:  84/29/102/.262/8, Final Numbers:  122/41/123/.297/6

2. Nolan Arenado – Okay, let’s cut right to it, or as a librarian would say, “Sh….it.”  I didn’t think Arenado would do this well.  No one did.  I did, however, rank him above every other fantasy baseball ‘pert.  On a side note that’s not really side as much as it is more connecting through the kitchen, a lot of people liked Arenado in the preseason, they just didn’t rank him as high as me.  This goes back to my Donaldson point; people say something like, “I like Donaldson more than Miggy,” then rank Miggy above Donaldson.  I do this too; I don’t know why.  I’m going to pray to my mashed potato statue of Giancarlo for guidance.  Preseason Rank #3, 2015 Projections:  84/27/98/.292/5, Final Numbers:  97/42/130/.287/2

3. Chris Davis – Already went over him in the top 20 1st basemen.

4. Manny Machado – Already went over him in the top 20 shortstops.

5. Kris Bryant – I don’t love using Yahoo’s eligibility because it’s too lax, which is not to say it flies out of Los Angeles, but I do like that we can see where guys rank in one position vs. another.  Machado was the top shortstop, but the fourth 3rd baseman and Chris Davis was the 2nd best 1st baseman, but third here.  Then later on, Carlos Santana is ninth here but was the 16th 1st baseman and the 5th catcher.  So 3rd basemen are cock diesel up top, but get flimsier as you move down the list.  1st basemen are not quite as stacked up top, but they are still a much deeper position.  As for Kris Bryant, he’s surely not the first guy where his production met his hype, but he feels like it and don’t call me Shirley. Preseason Rank #16, 2015 Projections:  42/19/54/.256/3, Final Numbers:  87/26/99/.275/13

6. Todd Frazier – Already went over him in the top 20 1st basemen.

7. Matt Carpenter – Already went over him in the top 20 2nd basemen.

8. Alex Rodriguez – The fact that A-Rod did so well last year could mean a few things:  A) He’s naturally gifted, which you can’t take away from him.  B) He found a way around the steroids testing.  C)  There’s no C.  On a related note, I kinda hope A-Rod breaks Bonds’s all-time home run record so we have the most awkward celebration since, well, the last time the home run record was broken by Bonds.  Preseason Rank #29, 2015 Projections:  52/15/56/.249/3, Final Numbers: 83/33/86/.250/4

9. Carlos Santana – Already went over him in the top 20 catchers.

10. Xander Bogaerts – Already went over him in the top 20 shortstops.

11. Kyle Seager – Yeah, okay, but what about Corey Seager, huh?!  That was also what their father, Bob, used to say, in between sets.  Preseason Rank #9, 2015 Projections:  70/22/84/.259/8, Final Numbers:  85/26/74/.266/6

12. DJ LeMahieu – Already went over him in the top 20 2nd basemen.

13. Matt Duffy – Already went over him in the top 20 2nd basemen.

14. Adrian Beltre – Funny how overall numbers can be skewed depending on how you look at them.  Beltre was better than Miggy in these rankings, until you consider Miggy was out for about five weeks, so you likely had much better numbers from Miggy + replacement (Scab!) vs. Beltre.  Okay, not funny, until you realize my monkey who is typing this facacta crap up is wearing Harry Caray glasses.  Thanks, Harry Monkey!  Preseason Rank #5, 2015 Projections:  86/22/97/.291/1, Final Numbers:  83/18/83/.287/1

15. Miguel Cabrera – Already went over him in the top 20 1st basemen.

16. Mike Moustakas – Moistasskiss seemed to be having a better season than where he ended up ranked.  I guess psychologically it just felt that way since he was blowing away my expectations, which were he would hit negative twelve homers and get into a car accident while driving around my entire fantasy team.  Preseason Rank #26, 2015 Projections:  55/19/63/.226/2, Final Numbers:  73/22/82/.284/1

17. Logan Forsythe – Already went over him in the top 20 2nd basemen.

18. Evan Longoria – I truly wonder what happened to this young brother.  Well, no longer young — Longoria is now 30 years old.  He reminds me of David Wright only not really.  Not really because they are not the same type of hitter, but they both seemed to have a ton of promise and be the future of the world as we know it.  Only now both are such garbage that garbage calls up its attorney to see if it can file a defamation of character lawsuit over being compared to Longoria and Wright.  Preseason Rank #6, 2015 Projections:  81/25/90/.261/5, Final Numbers:  74/21/73/.270/3

19. Trevor Plouffe – Plouffe goes the dynamite!  And Plouffe was about five hits away from being more valuable than Longoria.  Longoria’s career is Plouffe, which we also know is French for the sound poop makes hitting toilet water.  God, I hate Longoria.  Let’s move on before I enflame my ulcer.  Preseason Rank #24, 2015 Projections: 61/15/77/.251/2, Final Numbers:  74/22/86/.244/2

20. Pedro Alvarez – For a decent portion of the season, Pe-Al was on waivers in my 12-team league, while I started Rendon at my corner infidel slot.  Sounds like I suffered from Pe-Al dysfunction. Preseason Rank #27, 2015 Projections:  54/22/59/.229/4, Final Numbers:  60/27/77/.243/2

 
  1. Wilson says:
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    Hi Grey, thanks for your articles.
    Who do you think to win the series?

    1. TOR or KC ?
    2. NYM or CHC ?

    Thanks

    • Fungazi says:
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      @Wilson: It’s crazy that 3 of those teams probably weren’t even projected to have a winning record. I’m going TOR and NYM.

      • Ante GALIC says:
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        @Fungazi: Hey, Fungazi! Gotta say I fully agree with you man. Could be in the stars for another Toronto WS victory, as long as Estrada can keep the ball down. NYM are definitely a cinderella story this year but with improved play from Murphy AND the captain plus stellar pitching, they could also be in line to win the WS too.

        Cheers,
        Ante

        • Fungazi says:
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          @Ante GALIC: I think after what Jays just went through over the past 3 games, they have gained some serious confidence and will get to the WS and possibly win it.

      • Wilson says:
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        @Fungazi: Yup, it’s a pity that HOU can’t join.
        Otherwise, that’s all of four team weren’t projected to be here…. That’s really crazy.

      • Baezaworldseries says:
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        @Fungazi: Preseason Vegas had the Cubs behind only the Dodgers and Nats for WS favorites.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I remember that, thought it was kinda crazy at the time

      • Wilson says:
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        @Grey:
        Thank you.
        I also hope CHC can win. But, NYM’s pitching is so good, and I will bet for a cup of coffee with friends. Do you think CHC can beat NYM’s strong pitchin and win the series? Thanks

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Unless this is a $500 cup of coffee, I say go with the team you like… Yeah, I do think they can beat the Mets

          • Wilson says:
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            @Grey: @Grey:
            Thanks for advice.
            I decide to bet Cubs, I like Cubs , Rizzo (my keeper), and the movie .. back to the future! lol

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Nice!

  2. Brian says:
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    Keeper question, I can franchise tag one guy to keep as long as I want , have to throw other back:

    Arenado Drafted in 18th round
    Rizzo drafted in 9th round

    I have no idea which way to go

    Thanks

    • Alcibiades Escobar says:
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      Arenado. Young, nine rounds cheaper, and Coors Field. Love Rizzo (I’m a Cubs fan), but have to go with Arenado.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Brian: Arenado is your keeper

    • Wilson says:
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      @Grey:
      Thanks for advice.
      I decide to bet Cubs, I like Cubs , Rizzo (my keeper), and the movie .. back to the future! lol

      • Wilson says:
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        Oops. Wrong reply. Sorry.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No worries

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Ha, we’re going back…to the future!

  3. MattTruss

    MattTruss says:
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    Is Mattingly fired yet?…….How ’bout now?

    • J-FOH says:
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      @MattTruss: I just checked and hes still employed

      • MattTruss

        MattTruss says:
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        That’s just wrong

        • J-FOH says:
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          @MattTruss: as a casual fan I’m glad they lost. I want nothing more than his dismissal….and to think they could of had Maddon if they would of fired donny dum dum. Besides a dodger playoff run without Vin felt so strange

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @MattTruss: Did AJ Ellis really bat 2nd in the ninth inning with the game on the line?

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: he’s been a clutch hitter and that is all he does at the dish. Where was Alex guerrero?

  4. Cram It says:
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    Dan-iel Mur-phy…clap, clap, clapclapclap.

      • Zeus says:
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        @Grey: the regression fatties don’t like this at all

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Have they gained weight?

          • SwaggerJackers says:
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            @Grey: The fairies become fatties after the regular season ends.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Ah, see, I didn’t know

  5. Nick says:
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    Top of the morning Grey…I have not been around these parts in years as I have put fantasy baseball behind me (regretfully but sometimes there are other priorities in life)…but I just wanted to say, LETS GO METS!!! Been waiting 27 years for this & we finally have arrived, now work some magic against dem Cubbies!!

    • Nick says:
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      @Nick: I do frequent the Fantasy football razzball site daily though so still loyal to the all mighty RazzBall!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Nick: Let’s go Mets!

  6. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!

    Fantastic work! Almost as good as Daniel Murphy last night.

    A1. Bozo award #2 goes to Mattingly for losing with a better team. He also gets the award for starting Ethier in RF.

    A2. Bozo award #1 goes to Ethier!!! On an 0 and 1 pitch to D’Arnaud he catches strike 2 in foul ground, enabling Murphy to score from 3rd on the SF. Partial Bozo award goes to the fans in the RF corner who were cheering him on to make the play!!!

    A3. Also from the same play, live by the shift, die by the shft. All Turner’s fault.

    B. Have been busy taking two language examinations one for French and and the other for Spanish. Hopefully I passed, will let you know win or lose. The next step in the recruitment process is the interview which take place on October 20 and / or 21.

    Love ya more than you know.

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Cram It says:
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      @Ante GALIC: I disagree. They’re not the better team. They’re Kershaw and Greinke.

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        @Cram It: offensively it’s a split and the pitching edge goes to the mets wit the pen being the obious advantage. The teams are close. Last night was going to come down to who made less mistakes and that one mistake with murphy taking third was the difference. deGrom showed a lot of moxie. On a night when he didn’t look good he beared down and made the pitches after consistently putting himself in a hole. Ethier wasn’t to blame like AG said. You take the out, and get it back with the bat. That’s not baseball AG. I don’t think the cubs will look as good in this series. The cardinals were a mess and the cubs played them so many times before. Right now I’ll take deGrom, Thor and matz over the cubs top three all day. I honestly don’t think they need Harvey. He should work out of the pen.

        You order any of the 7 line playoff shirts?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @J-FOH: Yeah, you used the word moxie

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: it’s better than my word for mattingly….maxie…..ooh maxingly!

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Mattingly and moxie don’t go together

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: dude read the words.deGrom had moxie and mattingly is a mAxie…like as in maxie pad.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  To the Max!

        • Cram It says:
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          @J-FOH: I think the Mets have a better offense than the Dodgers on the whole. deGrom was amazing. That was some truly gritty pitching. I can’t say enough of how awesome he was while not being awesome.

          I would have rather faced the Cardinals. I know we have the better SP than the Cubs, but I’m a little worried about facing them. They feel like a buzzsaw right now.

          I haven’t. I’m not a big fan of postseason shirts, unless it’s a Championship.

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            @Cram, When can Syndergaard come back now?

            • Cram It says:
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              @Grey: I don’t see why he couldn’t go Sunday, but I’d be surprised if Collins goes that route. He only threw 17 pitches. It’s a warmup session!

              • mauledbypandas says:
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                @Cram It: he was warming up the LA air with 100 mph heaters!

                • Cram It says:
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                  @mauledbypandas: I wonder if they could have Harvey, deGrom and Noah just pitch every game from here on out. 2 or 3 innings a piece. Oh, if only I were manager…

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                I’d guess he could go Sunday too… It was just his throw day, no?

                • Cram It says:
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                  @Grey: From what I’m seeing, he is currently scheduled to go Sunday.

                  • Grey

                    Grey says:
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                    Makes sense… Hoping the Mets pull it out, but if I were betting I’d go Cubs…

                    • Cram It says:
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                      @Grey: If I were betting, I’d bet Cubs too. But that would be a hedge play.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Who’s starting tonight anyway?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I mean Saturday

                    • Cram It says:
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                      @Grey: Harvey gets game 1.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Ah, nice! And Arrieta? Yes, my Google’s broken

                    • Cram It says:
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                      @Grey: Harvey vs Lestah

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Ah, Mets got that

                    • Cram It says:
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                      @Grey: They better. Arrieta feels like an automatic Loss.

                      Ya know Murphy struck out 38 times this year? That’s like Tony Gwynn level.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Wow, didn’t know that on Murphy… He must’ve made some weak contact on a lot of balls… I see it as Arrieta is two losses, every other game is up for grabs, but the Cubs have more hitting

                  • Cram It says:
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                    @Cram It: Actually, it’s not historic level stuff. More like Mark Grace level. Man, some of these guys with low K rates are bonkers. Juan Pierre had over 600 AB’s three times and struckout 35/35 and 29 times.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, some guys just put the bat on the ball and pray/run

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ante GALIC: Thanks! A1 Was pretty even B. Good luck!

  7. Gonzo_The_Great says:
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    Mmmmm …. Mooose Tacos. Delicious delicious Moose Tacos.

  8. Birdmann says:
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    Buster Only finally said something funny this morning on my radio. He thinks that Swarber should be a verb. For when someone crushes something.

  9. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!

    So that’s it I guess on Top 3rd baseman day!! It’s still 5 minutes to the witching hour (aka the time when you usually grace us with your presence), so maybe we can have like 100 questions like…

    So, what you’re saying is that this is NOT for next year? Got it. Thanks, chief!

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha

  10. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey,

    Had my oral (don’t laugh!) French AND oral (don’t laugh, again) Spanish tests today. In the Spanish test, a guy named Francisco from Cuba was my examiner. In the French test, a woman named Noura was my examiner. I had the Spanish inquisitor in stitches the entire time or he was so impressed with my conversation that it made him crack up all the time. He mentioned that the two most appreciated countries’ citizens who visited Cuba were…I’ll wait for your answer. Okay, Mexico and Canada. I emphasized the fact that I was Canadian in an effort to get a better result on my oral (don’t laugh) exam. Was that unethical, even if it was true?

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sounds like good interviewing! Important to kiss up

  11. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey,

    ‘Member when 700 comments wasn’t enough before you could enter the chatroom? You drew the line at 701!!

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha

  12. James says:
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    Generic question about the Coors effect. In keepers/dynasty leagues, how do you let it effect your choices.

    On neutral turf, it feels like Arenado and seager would be very similar players, but in fantasy one plays in the best park to hit and the other one of the worst. For a keeper do you give Arenado a slight downgrade since if he ever leaves via Fa or trade he loses a good bit of value (1st/2nd rounder next year down to 5th/6th rounder in a neutral park). I know for guys like Seager it does not matter, he signed a big extension and is likely staying put, but for young Rockies players (or more for guys in arbitration since their time may be coming to a close).

    Also, is it just me, or is it better for a hitter to spend their career in a hitters park not as extreme than in a place like coors, at least when the HoF comes into question. Guys like Helton will always be mentioned as playing in a hitters park, but you hear less of that for Bagwell (and Enron was the 2nd best hitters park back in the day). You hear the same stuff for Padres pitchers (their stadium only supresses about 8%) vs. a less tilted stadium like Chavez Ravine (a hitters park but only suppressing about 5%). LA also gets less talked about as an extreme pitchers park than it really should (I hear it more about SD and Oak, but Chavez is not far behind)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Arenado and Seager aren’t close, Arenado is much better… Helton wasn’t good in Coors for the last seven years of his career

  13. Mike says:
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    Where would Sano rank on here? Pretty sure he’s another guy that will retain 3rd base eligibility in Yahoo

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      This is for this past year

  14. Lville Jim says:
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    I still have a chubby from the trade I made for Arenado in my all keeper league a few seasons ago. Guy sent me him to me for Joe freakin Mauer.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      That’s ridiculous

  15. GhostTownSteve says:
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    The why you didn’t put Donaldson and Arenado ahead of Miggy probably has something to do with the dance you do around draft order versus rankings. You put Miggy above because the ADPs dictate but you’re pretty clear in the notes that you’re not targeting Miggy at the slot you’re ranking him and that you’re targeting Arenado, for example, and planning on getting him somewhere below where you’re ranking him.