We already went over the top 20 catchers and the top 20 1st basemen for 2015 fantasy baseball.  Today, we dip our big toe into the top 20 2nd basemen pool.  Okay, it was actually a lukewarm puddle where lots of amoebas grew, and I don’t mean a giant San Francisco-based record store where the cashiers know more about an REM B-side from their unreleased first album than hygiene.  It’s a little scary, for unstints (how I say it), that there were only six 2nd basemen that you wanted to own all year, and even the sixth man (not Marlon Wayans) had his share of “Meh, I guess he’s okay.”  Pretty appropriate that the first 2nd baseman off the board in a lot of leagues didn’t even make the year-end top 20.  Thank you very much, Anthony Rendon!  To recap this crap (rhyme points!), this final ranking for last year is from our Fantasy Baseball Player Rater with my comments.  The Player Rater allows me to be impartial while looking at how I ranked them in the preseason.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 2nd basemen for 2015 fantasy baseball and how they compared to where I originally ranked them:

1. Dee Gordon – Huge power year from Gordon.  This year’s home run total from Gordon is as much as combining his 2012, 2013 and 2014 homer totals.  If Bautista did that, he would’ve hit 90 homers this year, and we’d be wondering if cortisone was really a steroid, Grey says with his tongue in cheek.  I also said, “Mmrfump arfether,” with my tongue in my cheek, but my mouth was closed.  Gordon led the majors in steals and the NL in average.  Well, la di da!  Something JB and I talk about on the year-end podcast that’s coming this week (maybe next; we’re free-flowing in the offseason like when you have no clean underwear), there were fewer 30-steal guys this year than any year I can remember (7), but maybe my memory isn’t so good.  Preseason Rank #4, 2015 Projections:  86/1/29/.263/55, Final Numbers: 88/4/46/.333/58

2. Jose Altuve – I pretty much nailed Altuve’s projections and ranking this year –> Grey’s reaching new heights, unlike Altuve!  Though, Altuve showed a lot more power than I thought was possible.  Why does the song, “An Ant Can’t Lift A Rubber Treet Plant,” come to mind?  Preseason Rank #2, 2015 Projections:  78/8/55/.306/39, Final Numbers: 86/15/66/.313/38

3. Mookie Betts – I want this guy so bad for 2016 already, I can’t.  I seriously can’t.  I full-on cannot.  I am unable.  Able just walked out the exit in a David Lynch movie and disappeared into the ether and now we’re left with unable.  Preseason Rank #14, 2015 Projections:  68/9/37/.292/18, Final Numbers: 92/18/77/.291/21

4. Matt Carpenter – A quick word about projecting stats.  Ks are the easiest for pitchers.  K-rates stay fairly normal.  For hitters, steals and homers stay pretty normal.  So, when I say I was off on Carpenter’s power, I mean I was really3 off.  Everyone was.  I bet not one single projections system came within ten homers of Carpenter’s final power output of 28 homers.  Forty percent of his homers were of the Just Enough variety, which is above the 30% normal rate.  His fly ball rate went from 35% to 41%; his HR/FB% went from 4.7% to 15.8% (that’s goofy) and his ground balls nearly disappeared.  It’s rare a 29-year-old changes his approach completely, but that’s exactly what he did.  Now whether he continues to do it will be something for January Grey.  Preseason Unranked for 2nd basemen due to eligibility, 2015 Projections:  87/12/77/.281/3, Final Numbers: 101/28/84/.272/4

5. Brian Dozier – Here’s another guy (with Carpenter) who saw a large uptick in power.  Actually, just looking at the first five guys here and 2nd base is awesome!  *looks at the next five names*  2nd base is okay!  *looks at the next ten names*  2nd base is feces!  Preseason Rank #5, 2015 Projections:  89/19/67/.246/15, Final Numbers: 101/28/77/.236/12

6. Ian Kinsler – Gut Call Alert!  Kinsler’s runs, RBIs and average this past year are disguising the last decent year of his career.  Preseason Rank #7, 2015 Projections:  83/15/77/.269/15, Final Numbers: 94/11/73/.296/10

7. Brandon Phillips – Another huge bounce back season for a Reds vet (thinking of Votto)…and Frazier did well.  So, where the hell did the Reds go wrong this year?  Besides, doing away with private property.  Oh, man, that pitching staff is ugly.  Okay, fair enough, smarter side of my brain.  Preseason Rank #23, 2015 Projections:  64/10/67/.251/3, Final Numbers: 69/12/70/.294/23

8. DJ LeMahieu – It wouldn’t blow your mind if I told you he hit 40 points higher at home, would it?  Every time DJ Mario LeMahieu is home it’s a power play.  Look at Grey busting hockey knowledge!  For more from someone who actually knows something, check out our fantasy hockey section.  (Clickbait!)  Preseason Rank #38, 2015 Projections:  62/7/56/.262/12, Final Numbers: 85/6/61/.301/23

9. Robinson Cano – I told everyone to avoid him in the preseason, saying he was overrated, and he did even worse than I thought he would in three of five categories, but (will this sentence ever end?) he still had a decent 2nd half which makes him feel less disappointing than he likely was, especially (end this sentence please!) if someone bought him low around the All-Star break. Preseason Rank #3, 2015 Projections:  82/19/92/.305/7, Final Numbers: 82/21/79/.287/2

10. Matt Duffy – Look at his end-of-the-season stats at the end of this blurb.  Now, if his batting average was .7712, I would’ve got so spooked I would’ve ran off with a gang of Moonies.  Duffy is the first, and really only completely out of nowhere player.  I mean, Forsythe was terrific and unranked by me, but he had been in the league and everyone that wanted to know him, knew him (he’s very quick and open about replying to fan letters). Duffy came completely out of nowhere.  He hit 12 homers.  In around three-quarters of a season last year in Double-A, he only hit three homers.  That’s some serious Maas appeal.  Some players say when they get in the zone, the pitched ball appears to be the size of a beach ball.  Duffy must’ve been seeing Bochy’s head out there.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 77/12/77/.295/12

11. Jason Kipnis – Here’s a likely reason that some people lost their leagues, because Kipnis was so good in the 1st half, you prolly ignored a lot of the symptoms of garbage in the 2nd half.  Symptoms of Garbage was also my high school punk band.  You might remember us from the lead single, “My Parent$ Are Facist$.”  Preseason Rank #6, 2015 Projections:  81/15/70/.261/24, Final Numbers: 86/9/52/.303/12

12. Logan Forsythe – I grabbed Logan in my 15-team NFBC league super late.  How’s that Forsythe?!  I grabbed him simply because I liked his eligibility.  Tut, tut, don’t be specific, they’ll never know.  Unless they read that last part.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 69/17/68/.281/9

13. Neil Walker – Funny thing (completely unfunny), I nailed Walker’s projections, but if you would throw out like two weeks when he was hot, he would’ve ended up with about 10 homers and a giant nogoodnik button.  Don’t make me get out the nogoodnik button.  Preseason Rank #11, 2015 Projections:  72/17/77/.270/2, Final Numbers: 69/16/71/.269/4

14. Kolten Wong – I had a major wang for Wong this past preseason, and now I’m left with a bone to pick.  In 113 games in 2014, he had 12 HRs and 20 SBs.  He missed both of those marks in almost forty more games.  I need to reevaluate liking any middle infielder ever.  Preseason Rank #8, 2015 Projections:  84/18/60/.278/24, Final Numbers: 71/11/61/.262/15

15. Danny Valencia – I’m pretty sure he is ranked this high because of about a two-week time frame where he was ownable when, most everyone, didn’t even own him.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 59/18/66/.290/2

16. Justin Turner – It’s fair to say if Mattingly knew how well Turner was doing, he wouldn’t have played him as much.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 55/16/60/.294/5

17. Ben Zobrist – Came pretty close to nailing his preseason projections and, boy, are those numbers ugly.  Preseason Rank #20, 2015 Projections:  77/12/49/.268/10, Final Numbers: 76/13/56/.276/3

18. Daniel Murphy – In the preseason, people are like, “I’m just gonna take Murphy and his counting stats and get my power and speed elsewhere.”  If you draft and/or hold any player this low in the rankings, you’re not going to win your league, unless it’s an NL or AL-Only league.  Preseason Rank #13, 2015 Projections:  82/10/58/.284/10, Final Numbers: 56/14/73/.281/2

19. Asdrubal Cabrera – How about them Rays middle infielders with two in the top 20?  Three if you count Longoria who hit like a middle infielder.  Preseason Rank #21, 2015 Projections:  67/15/63/.246/11, Final Numbers: 66/15/58/.265/6

20. Brett Lawrie – Hopefully you see Lawrie after Asdrubal and some other schmohawks above and it sinks in subconsciously when you’re looking at Lawrie in your drafts next year.  If you have any hope for Lawrie next year, you’re officially the last one.  That includes his parents.  Preseason Rank #18, 2015 Projections:  54/14/62/.267/6, Final Numbers: 64/16/60/.260/5

 
  1. Dietter says:
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    Grey: Thoughts on 3 keepers in 12 team head to head league?

    Abreu
    Altuve
    Brantley
    Schwarber
    Tulo
    Sano (like his power but utility position is not ideal)

    Thanks in advance.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Dietter: Abreu
      Altuve
      Brantley

      Could see Tulo instead of Brantley, but meh

  2. Lville Jim says:
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    As Yogi said “Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded”. It’s like Sturgis here, once the rally is over and all the bikers roll out of town.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Lville Jim: It’s like the hot nightclub at 10 AM when you wake in the bathroom

  3. Lville Jim says:
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    Finally numerous uno. It doesn’t feel like I thought it would, kind of like being the worlds tallest midget.

      • Lville Jim says:
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        @Grey: Dietter post didn’t show when I went to post this morn. Now I’m not even the tallest midget.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          You’re the tallest member of Altuve’s family

  4. MattTruss

    MattTruss says:
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    These middle infielders are an exciting bunch huh?…**crickets**…So, how bout that Chase Utley?

    • Ra'zbahl Al Ghul says:
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      @MattTruss: I’m having a hard time not hating the whole thing, and he was called safe? Ballsy challenge by Mattingly

      • Lville Jim says:
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        @Ra’zbahl Al Ghul: Saw where Loria was interested in Mattingly. They deserve each other.

        • Ra'zbahl Al Ghul says:
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          @Lville Jim: Ha seriously

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @MattTruss: I was at the game, felt right in the moment from 350 feet away… Watching replays at home, wow was he past the bag and how was that safe?

      • MattTruss

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        Yea, kinda messed up, but still, what’s with the out of nowhere suspension? Since when is MLB the NFL with their random made-up suspensions?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          To continue your football comparison, they’re Monday morning quarterbacking to fix their mess up… He shouldn’t be suspended…if he was called safe!

  5. royce! says:
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    Cano killed it in the second half. Do you put any stock in this being the result of his finally getting treated for acid reflux in July? Seems like a pretty freaking easy thing to diagnose and treat, and if it really made him such like he did, he owes Mariners fans an apology for being a dumbass and not just taking a tums or something…

    • GhostTownSteve says:
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      @royce!:

      Be very interesting to see where Cano shakes out in the ADP next year. My sense is that these name brand guys never fall as far as they should as fast as they should. Still, even with those meh numbers, Cano was 49th on the player rater. Makes him a late 4th early 5th rounder by rank. I’d consider him there for sure but I bet we still see him as early as late 2nd and gone by the 3rd in most leagues next year.

      Speaking of name brand, Laser Show tucked in nicely between Cesar Hernandez and Jace Peterson on the rater. He’ll be another guy that will see some interesting rankings next year.

      • royce! says:
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        @GhostTownSteve: I was thinking the same thing- Cano’s name value will prevent him from falling far enough that he could be a very high value pick. I took him in the 3d round in the Original Recipe RCL and his second half helped me win, but only insofar as it was making up for his first half. Then again, wtf else would I have done, since the 2B pool was so shallow? I agree with your predictions re: ADP and rankings, though. But what if it was true that he just needed some pepcid?

        I had Laser Show in the one RCL I lost. He’s not going to fall far enough for me to draft again, ever.

        Outside of the top 5, Cano, and Kipnis, I churned through all of these dudes (was even able to get Carpenter off waivers in one RCL). Makes a strong argument for punting 2B/MI.

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          @royce!:

          over on the catcher side people were posting their Franken-catcher stats, some of them would have been top 20 players (my guess is a lot of luck in finding the right hot guys in a shallower league), but would be interested to see what you put together.

          In my 2 competitive dynasty leagues I had Wong all season (he went in a larger trade where he would have been the 5th or 6th best player involved), and Kinsler in the other. I just assume that their production is about what a Franken-2b would look like. A decent average, good counting stats and a modest amount of power/speed.

      • i agree re: cano. it seems like certain players (espec with history of power/speed in particular) spend a couple years hanging around the first 3-4 rounds providing awful value. Reyes and Wright come to mind. That said, I think Cano would be an intriguing 3rd/4th round pick next year as he’d make a nice compliment to a low AVG power guy (Stanton) or a < speed guy (Altuve, Marte). But he might appeal more to me than most b/c I put equal emphasis on AVG to HR/SB which has been a mixed bag for sure (Votto 2015 and V-Mart/Morneau 2014 were nice...have scars from V-Mart 2015 and Allen Craig 2014).

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          @Rudy Gamble:

          I’m exactly with you on that analysis. I like him in particular as a pairing to a certain roster construction. Just a matter of the price

          • J-FOH says:
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            @GhostTownSteve: I love when peeps use the words roster construction.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @royce!: He’s decent, not great, don’t see a huge bounce back next year… Mariners made a terrible deal to get him and are now stuck with him…

  6. Scott Kimmel says:
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    I have a trade offer not sure if I should make it. I trade Goldschmidt and Tulo for Trout and Miggy. I am wanting to make the trade but want to make sure Miggy is completely healthy. Please advise. I have Correa at SS with Votto, Papi at 1B

    • FWIW, I’ve given this trade my blessing on Twitter. Miggy’s less of a health risk than Tulo and that’s before factoring in Tulo on turf. Goldy was awesome but Trout is the #1 player.

        • Scott Kimmel says:
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          grey will Miggy be healthy enough to put up his usual .330 35-115?

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Nope

            • Scott Kimmel says:
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              Grey the latest trade offer came my way. It’s still the four players from before but now it’s a six player deal. The deal on the table is Tulo, Goldschmidt and Harvey for Trout,Miggy and Greinke. Do I make the deal or leave it as is with the four for four deal? Please help

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                Come to my newest post

                • Scott Kimmel says:
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                  Where is it gray

                  • SteveNZ says:
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                    @Scott Kimmel: What Grey is saying is that you should comment in his latest post.

                    And that post is about where the Razzball Player Rater ranked 3B guys for THIS year based on their numbers during the season.

                    It’s not a ranking for next year.

          • Scott Kimmel says:
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            enough to do the deal?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah

              • Scott Kimmel says:
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                Will Miggy’s numbers be close to Goldschmidts

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  No

                  • Scott Kimmel says:
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                    @what numbers can I expect for Miggy and Trout next season

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I’ll do projections in January/Feb

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      would you trade Ryan Braun for Carlos Gonzalez, I have been on the fence about it Grey. Your buddy mr gamble thinks cargo is not worth Braun. What do you think?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      It’s fair, don’t see the point…

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      so it’s a lateral move?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yup

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      Grey a guy in my league has cargo. We are discussing a possible swap of Russell Martin for Cargo. I have Posey at C and can always find a backup when I draft would you make that deal? I am considering it but he wants to expand it further.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I’d want CarGo, not close

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      grey he said no to cargo for Martin. Discussing a Braun for Bautista deal. Make it?

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Grey: the Pope of Twitter Village?

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Rudy is no Mickey Rourke (thankfully)

            • J-FOH says:
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              @Grey: he may not be the Mick but he is the Mack…daddy of stat bots

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                Ha, how is Mack Daddy of Stat Bots not a robot name yet?

                • J-FOH says:
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                  @Grey: are you saying rudy is a robot…is he the statonator?

                  • Grey

                    Grey says:
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                    No, but that reminds me of Giancarlo…The Stantonator…

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @Grey: BTW, speaking of amazing, that dynasty league, the guys that won it all, holy shizz, how did these guys get what they got is incomprehensible

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Eno from Fangraphs said there’s guys in that league that are sons of actual GMs… So you better beat Ruben Amaro Jr Jr.

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @Grey: I might need Magoo as a co manager, surprisingly a lot of the teams have co managers.

                      The winning team, out of 20 teams, had Goldy, Donaldson, Betts, Trout, Harper, and Springer….looks like I’m focusing on sweeping the pitching cats

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Damn! I didn’t realize it was that lopsided…Do you keep guys forever too?

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @Grey: its dynasty so I’m assuming yes. On the flip side their (they have co-managers) pitching is terrible so with some good sneaky hitting picks I think I can move up a few spots because I took the team that had the better pitching and some nice minor league arms. I have already been on the phone and texting with Mike as we game plan some minor league strategies for a sooner than later call up. This one will for sure be a group effort plan of attack. With the website name on it, I think it would be best to get the consortium together (Mike, Magoo and Myself) to handle off season and draft and then let me do my in season magic. It’s funny, I think I just gave these guys some fantasy methadone by calling on them. I have been blasted with trade offers already, all terrible, but I’ll let them keep coming in as I think these guys are trying to size me up.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Sounds good, just don’t blame Mike when it all goes to hell

                    • @Grey: Is this the one run by Dan Rosenheck?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      HA!

      • Scott Kimmel says:
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        @Grey: grey will Miggy be healthy enough to put up his usual .330 35-115?

        • goodfold2 says:
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          @Scott Kimmel: he said no to that above, and i’m betting again in his newest post he linked you to.

  7. El Famous Burrito says:
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    Speaking of 2B….

    What did you think of that Utley slide?

    I think if it was regular season, he gets one between the shoulder blades, and that’s the end of it.

    But in the playoffs, not long after the Coughlin/Kang slide, do you think this is the beginning of the end of takeout slides, a la home plate collisions?

    • Cram It says:
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      @El Famous Burrito: Oh someone is getting one up and in, courtesy of Harvey, and I hope they break their hand.

      • Ra'zbahl Al Ghul says:
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        @Cram It: ditto

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Cram It: doubtful. Everyone will be warned before the game and Harvey will get ejected. It won’t be worth it to retaliate at this point.

        • Cram It says:
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          @J-FOH: That’s bullshit if there’s a warning before the game. And if there isn’t Harvey’ll get ’em

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @El Famous Burrito: I said above: I was at the game, felt right in the moment from 350 feet away… Watching replays at home, wow was he past the bag and how was that safe?

      • Cram It says:
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        @Grey: Yeah that’s what angers more than anything. Sure the slide was arguably dirty, yeah he broke Tejada’s leg, but it’s a goddamn illegal slide…it’s interference. He should’ve been out, the batter should’ve been out and the inning should’ve been over.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          The crowd was insane, and it felt like the right call at the game b/c of 55,000 people going insane… But when I watched it at home, I was like, “How did a group of impartial observers in NY watch this on replay and think it was safe?” Is there no neighborhood play anymore? Can a runner just slide to take out the fielder then run off the field without going near the bag? It’s almost as if we needed someone as stupid as Mattingly to think this was even a play to review, like a smarter manager would never consider it because they’d know better

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            @Grey: They said the throw pulled Tejada off the bag, negating the intent behind the neighborhood rule. And they said since the ump called Utley out it didn’t matter that he LEFT THE FIELD because the runner was assumed to be out. Every explanation made to allow Utley to be at second was just unreal. Oh, and Utley ended up getting suspended, so “We’re sorry for screwing that play up?”

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Right, how could anyone that they are saying is safe be suspended…So a clean slide into third that is called safe and injures someone, draws a suspension?

              • Cram It says:
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                @Grey: I just don’t understand where the line is, if that’s a legal slide. I think it’s going to take someone to do a flying karate kick into Carlos Correa’s knee before a change is made to how the rule is enforced.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  If it’s a illegal slide, that produces a suspension, HOW IS HE SAFE?! Has anyone answered that?

                  • Cram It says:
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                    @Grey: My understanding is that once the ump called Utley out, he was no longer obligated to touch the bag.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      That’s bonkers…So technically an ump can call a baserunner out immediately on contact with a pitch, fielders don’t do anything and the hitter goes back to the dugout and challenges the call and he’ll be safe because the ump was wrong about calling him out immediately…

                  • Cram It says:
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                    @Grey: Technically, yes! In that scenario though you’d think the defense would have the presence of mind to make the play anyway. Which I’ve heard argued regarding the Utley play. The ump already called him out and your guy is writhing around with a broken leg, but be more aware!

                    • Grey

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                      That’s so ridiculous… On a side note, Utley found something to do in his career twilight…he should be the hockey bruiser they just call in to run over players… On another side note, Mattingly dumb enough to start Utley tonight?

          • Cram It says:
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            @Grey: And how were you at the game? Who do you know? That’s awesome though.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              It’s LA, there were about 5,000 tickets available online of all different prices

          • El Famous Burrito says:
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            @Grey:

            If a slide like that is legal, then it should be just as legal for Tejada to plant his cleats on Utley’s midsection, spring off his gut, and do a Jeteresque 360 throw to first.

            If he sticks the landing, the side is retired.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Can’t assume a doubleplay, but it would’ve been one more out and the man on 2nd gets removed… And then they suspend him!

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: disagree. All managers would have challenged that call.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              You can’t feign ignorance with your holier than thou “I don’t watch playoffs” then chime in

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: I watch highlights and don’t be like that when I call you out. You should know this by now

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  You can’t challenge neighborhood play, you can’t challenge interference, everyone got it so wrong, they suspended Utley, but anyone would challenge that? Okay, but they shouldn’t win it

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Grey: I think this is the rare occurrence you have shown passion for the actual game and not just players you are in love with. Being in LA, it was hard to not see those highlights and my curiosity got the best of me. I’ll try my best to not see anymore actual baseball

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I don’t follow, which players that I’m in love with

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      BTW, guy in front of us had a long beard and Cougs was like, “That guy looks like Jack full of hate.”

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @J-FOH: you show passion for Giancarlo and Nolan, you know players, but it is a rare sight for you to show passion for something that happened in the game that doesnt relate to fantasy

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Oh, yeah, it’s the playoffs, so now it’s just about the game…

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      game schmame, I got a DVR full of something better to watch on TV….BTW, I recorded the Fargo marathon yesterday and will be starting it this week

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      It’s awesome!

                    • Cram It says:
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                      @J-FOH: I agree with you on Grey. What I don’t agree with is how you’re not watching the Mets playoff games, as a Mets fan.

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      Wait, missed the one above, the cougs can spot me yet never met me ?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      She looks at the site, your pic’s on it

                • nick the dick says:
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                  @J-FOH: Wait wait wait….YOU watch highlights Mr. “Hahaha you watch Sportcenter, digging some weird hole for even mentioning real sports”?!

                  • Grey

                    Grey says:
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                    Give it to him, Nick!

                    • nick the dick says:
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                      @Grey:It’s just insane..I mentioned how they said NBA players wore wooden bowties on SharkTank and his odd response was “i don’t watch NBA”…mmm okay all fine and good, but that’s neither here nor there. Then I say if Sportscenter has taught me anything it’s that NBA players dress like asshole and his even weirder response was “hahaha you admit to watching Sportcenter, keep digging the hole”….AND NOW YOU SAY YOU WATCH HIGHLIGHTS??! Does this shit even make sense to him? Am I in a hole? Help me, I watched spoooooooorts…..

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      He’s in a contrarian shame spiral that he’s having a hard time digging out of… I agree with Cram, you say you’re a Mets fan but you don’t watch them in the playoffs? Why, because of Shark Tank? He’ll come out of it, bad week!

                    • nick the dick says:
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                      @Grey: I get it, I like to argue as much as the next guy. I play poker once a week and I had this know it all girl last week call me a prick and tell me to go eff myself over a conversation about why I don’t like bats. The animal. Bats. I apparently made my case at a prickish level. And i’m louder when i’m drunk as well but whatevs

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Girl at your poker game, “YOU DON’T LIKE BATS?! WHO IS THIS GUY?!” Ha…I like that you were arguing over bats, and that someone was taking the pro side…

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Why was there a girl at your poker game?

                    • nick the dick says:
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                      @Grey: It was especially odd because we always would argue in a funny way about stuff, you know me if music or whatever is brought up i’m anti-everything, but bats were off limits I guess. Tried the ‘they eat mosquitos’ stuff on me. Well missy, until they eat every mosquito as to where I am no longer affected by them, I will pass on flying rats. Had one fly up at me from my basement at a house I used to rent. No thanks. Then, we were outside, I said how you can hear them in the trees clicking right now. She says ‘those are secadas’. Ugh, here we go…She actually cashed out and left. I’m that good. She wants to bang me is the root of the problem.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      HA! You know what we need, right? We need to get her to comment on JFOH’s post tomorrow saying she likes SportsCenter

                    • nick the dick says:
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                      @Grey: Haha…”Hey Jack, was just sitting here watching Mattingly’s awesome managing of this game on my nightly Sportscenter fix and wanted to ask what you thought about Kanyes new album. He’s a genius! So happy too cuz his last one was as boring as the movie Goodfellas. Hey btw, it’s should’ve, not should of. Thanks! -Joy”

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      HA! Are you watching the Royals/Astros game? That replay review was awful, the people in the replay booth in NY are drunk with power!

                    • nick the dick says:
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                      @Grey: Ugh i’m not. I think they like being argumentative too! Stubborn mules.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Ridiculous calls

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      I didn’t want to do this but I will to shut you two up. My brother who passed away was a huge mets fan. My family, most especially my father carries that torch. A mets win would bring him so much joy. That joy would mean more to me than anything else. My last happy moment with my brother was opening day 2006 when Wagner came in to close it out and he converted the save. We high fived each other went about our day and 10 hours later he passed away that night. And this is why I want them to do well.

                      For the Dodgers I lost the love after the omallys sold them. Like the mets, a win would mean a lot to a lot of people I care about.

                      Nick, I don’t watch sportscenter. When I was at the bar I saw the highlights and have seen them many times since on local tv.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      So this is why you won’t watch the Mets in the playoffs? Now I’m confused…

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @Grey: I was busy doing family stuff.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Okay, Jack, you’re okay with me…Nick’s the one picking fights!

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Oh, and don’t say anything nice about bats (the creatures)

                    • nick the dick says:
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                      @Grey: I’m an instigator! Can’t you see? Ain’t nobody worse than me!

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Haha, you have too much hate for bats, that’s all… Nick Full Of Bat Hate

                    • nick the dick says:
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                      @Grey: “Bu bu but they nourish their bodies with bugs!” Eff outta here!…Ed Lover show on Sirius does ‘Fuck Outta Here Fridays’ aptly abbreviated as #FOH Friday on my radio screen, thought that was funny. Gonna call in my bat story!

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Totally! I listen to it sometimes… “Though bats are important for our ecosystem…” FOH!

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      Im not mad at anyone here, just felt it was easier to be honest than try and dance around why I am the way am I when it comes to what pro teams want to see do well. Me and Nick, we cool, always have always will, I texted him already to let him know to not take it personal because when you bring stuff like this up you never know how someone will react. Its the off season yo, I take off my pants and my shirt….and my boxers when Im in here

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      You’re so relaxed, it’s heartwarming…

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      just never let me get too relaxed in your house

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      You’re giving me the willies, not literally!

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      Would you rather…let me get really relaxed at your house or let sky get piss drunk at your house? You must choose one

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Why do I need to choose one?

              • FrankGrimes says:
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                @Grey:
                haha zing!
                why are you 350 feet away??
                wtf don’t they know who you are?

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  They do know who I am, that’s why 350 feet away

  8. GMark says:
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    Odor???

    • Ra'zbahl Al Ghul says:
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      @GMark: I’m all over Odor in 2016, I want him erywherez

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @GMark: Are you smelling something?

    • GhostTownSteve says:
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      @GMark:

      love him

    • Baezaworldseries says:
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      @GMark: Pretty sure he was #22.

  9. weeklyheadache says:
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    Early thoughts on where Rendon might be projected for next year?

  10. Cram It says:
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    The Kipnis Kiss.

      • Cram It says:
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        @Grey: Yes

  11. Ra'zbahl Al Ghul says:
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    Howie Kendrick sad-rusty-trumboned me this year all over the place. Was hoping for a lil more pizazz from him in the NL

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ra’zbahl Al Ghul: Yeah, was surprised he didn’t do much more than be yawnstipating

  12. Ra'zbahl Al Ghul says:
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    Re: Utley slide – nobody is really talking about the most mindblowing aspect of the whole situation… Chase Utley was ON BASE! HOW DID CHASE UTLEY ACTUALLY GET TO FIRST BASE??!!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha

    • J-FOH says:
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      @Ra’zbahl Al Ghul: like who built the Sphinx, we will never know for sure

  13. Mike

    Mike says:
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    I don’t want to be the barer of bad news, but Chaje Utley is a thug.

    They should beam him.

    Dodgers gonna lose THIS chest match.

    • J-FOH says:
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      @Mike: the Twitter sphere has arrived

      • Baezaworldseries says:
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        @J-FOH: The niTwitter sphere.

    • MattTruss

      MattTruss says:
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      LOLZ

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Beam him up!

  14. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!

    2-2 ‘Stros tie it up in the bottom of the 3rd with ICarlos’ solo pop! A fastball about 1 foot inside and off the plate! Fly ICarlos, Fly!!!

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nice!

      • Ante GALIC says:
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        @Grey: Hey, Grey! How are you doing? Nice article. I think Rendon will bust out next year. Either he will or he won’t!

        Cheers,
        Ante

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ballsy call, Ante!

          • Ante GALIC says:
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            @Grey: Ha! You’re being sarcastic, aren’t you?

            Cheers,
            Ante

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              No! Not at all!

  15. What do you think about DJ next year? He is 27 now and plays in that great park. Seems like he can repeat or advance on last years numbers?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I think he’ll likely take a step back

  16. FrankGrimes says:
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    I’m taking Correa number one overall next year.

    • MattTruss

      MattTruss says:
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      THIS ^

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha

  17. Cohen says:
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    Grey, who do u like today Dodgers or Harvey and the Mets?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Mets

  18. nick the dick says:
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    This game!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      This game!

  19. GhostTownSteve says:
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    Derek Holland is dealing!!!

    That’s what the NARCs will say about him when he’s out of baseball next year and on to his new career as meth kingpin.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      HA

      • GhostTownSteve says:
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        @Grey:

        I enjoy that particular line of jokes.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I know, you would bring them out occasionally, and I always enjoyed them…

  20. Chris says:
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    I need to pick seven keepers in a H2H points league from the following list:

    Miguel Cabrera
    Arenado
    C. Correa
    Cargo
    Starlin Marte
    Braun
    K. Bryant
    Jose Abreu
    G. Stanton
    Bumgarner
    Arrieta
    Syndergaard

    Thanks!

    • FrankGrimes says:
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      @Chris:
      love six team leagues!

    • nick the dick says:
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      @Chris: Wow. Correa, Arenado, Marte, Abreu, Stanton, Bryant, Arrieta

  21. nick the dick says:
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    Fargo tonight!!!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I know! Recording it so might not have watched by tomorrow morning

      • nick the dick says:
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        @Grey: Lips zipped for the night

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Thanks, and tomorrow too… Cougs may not be able to watch tonight

          • nick the dick says:
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            @Grey: It’s sofa king good, i’ll say that

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Nice, hopefully will watch tonight, but this is the motions you go through when trying to watch with your wife

  22. I got $100 for groceries, $1400 for liquor, and $6,000 for you to bail a couple of shit puppets out of jail says:
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    soler needs to calm this shit down, he was awful nearly all year. I was looking into being happy to draft him again at a nice price (he would’ve been cheaper in 2016 than he was this year), he’s turning himself into this last year’s Wong, who will be overdrafted just like Wong was due to playoff homers and production this year.

  23. J-FOH says:
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    So you guys grief me into watching this game and I tune in to watch crappy pitching….what’s next, a 3 hour rain delay

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      A real Mets fan would just be happy they’re hitting Anderson… Geez…

      • FrankGrimes says:
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        @Grey:
        haha
        JFOH a bandwagoner!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: I posted that when it was 4 to 3 so be sure to read the time stamp. This game really shows how each team represents the men managing them. Collins is a fighter and the Mets are throwing haymakers and Mattingly is a pussy and the Dodgers are helping a poor outing by Harvey look good. Speaking of Harvey, the Mets should just bench him the rest of the playoffs. My dad used to say “you’re going through the motions” when I would be pitching like crap, the Dodgers are collectively going through the motions. Either way, my dad is happy today but even he said harvey looks like crap. He also told me if the Dodgers wanted to win then why would they sit Seager, not use Joc in center when you have your “contact” pitcher on the mound and play Ruggiano over Crawford….I thought about the Ruggiano call and I think he was right, he said crawford still looks like he is favoring his leg.

        They need to get rid of that strikezone on the screen, it feels like every other batter had a ball called a strike and a strike called a ball. You would think MLB might want to pull that since the umps are making them look like fools.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Crawford was motoring on Saturday, looked faster than he should be considering his age, but he should not be playing every day… Strike zone was all over the place, agreed

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: when he scored in the 2nd it looked like he was running all gimpy. Also his play in the outfield was atrocious. It’s all good Mattingly should be gone. You know a manager is bad when the Marlins show interest in him.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              It’ll be a good test to see how stupid Mattingly really is… Do you leave a club that is one of the best in baseball with a $300 million payroll to go to the Marlins where Loria sells off pieces to buy artwork? Mattingly just might

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: hey, 120 million of that isnt on the team so he might see that and move on

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  The unicorn vomit statute didn’t cost that much!

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Grey: that thing was made by cuban refugees for about 500 dollars

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Haha

  24. I got $100 for groceries, $1400 for liquor, and $6,000 for you to bail a couple of shit puppets out of jail says:
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    STL better stop leaving balls over the middle of the plate, lot of homers off those. Jaime back to his old mental issues (or flu, if you believe STL, and if so, why would they start a guy with a flu?)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, sounds like BS

  25. FrankGrimes says:
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    why Toronto pitch Price today?
    makes no sense.

    it’s such a shame dodgers are losing again…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, you sound real broken up about the Dodgers… The Blue Jays are losing Price as a middle reliever… It is goofy…

      • FrankGrimes says:
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        @Grey:
        now everyone wants to be like mad bum n Bochy

        sure hope Utley gets an AB!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Me too! Mattingly was almost goofy enough to start Utley tonight…

          • FrankGrimes says:
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            @Grey:

            he should bring him in to pitch an inning
            couldn’t do any worse than Anderson haha

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              He should have him coach third to distract the Mets fans, like a WWE manager move…

              • FrankGrimes says:
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                @Grey:
                hahaha

                • goodfold2 says:
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                  @FrankGrimes: i’m seeing Price won’t be able to go in game 1 if they make it now. what the point of using a guy with a 6 run lead if he’s now out of actually important Semi finals? These managers make a lot of money to do these things too.

              • FrankGrimes says:
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                @Grey:
                Check out the MLB.tv Dodger dugout feed
                Fun to watch them spit and pout!

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Haha… Nice

                • J-FOH says:
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                  @FrankGrimes: before Bum there was Hershiser in 1988. Bum just did his best Hershiser impersonation. Get your facts straight

  26. Bbboston says:
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    Grey,

    What are your thoughts on Devon Travis?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Some pop, some speed…I like him if he’s healthy

  27. Zeus says:
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    Damn missed all the chase Utley chatter. Just wanted to chime in that Chase Utley is a hero. Dude needed to break up the double play. Tejada was trying to do some dumb acrobatic shit and left himself in an awkward position.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Being at the game on Saturday, that is how it felt in the stadium…

      • Zeus says:
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        @Grey: yeah I’m not part of the Internet outrage society and have watched a lot of baseball in my 38 years. It was a perfect storm of events. Tejada also should have realized he was going to get plowed into because it was Utley on first base. Honestly that’s how you win playoff games by hustling and breaking up double plays.
        I’m not a Phillies fan but I always liked Utley, not like Mac on its always sunny but admired his play. Especially in the playoffs.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I don’t see how MLB can suspend someone for a play they called safe, it’s bizarre

          • hondo says:
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            @Grey: All I know is I’m not messing with a dude who will break your leg.
            With his balls.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              It’s a shame Utley isn’t in the starting lineup… Be fun to see the retaliation…

              • Zeus says:
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                @Grey: I’d love to see Utley hit a game winning home run vs the mets. This may be a myopic New York view but mets and jets fans are the most annoying fan bases in the US

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Ha, Utley’s pomade reads to me like he’s a total douche…Like he considers Hamels a cool guy, so I don’t want anything good for him…

                  • Zeus says:
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                    @Grey: usually people named chase and Cole are douchebags

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Haha, yup!

  28. Zeus says:
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    Speaking of being at the game, I was in the 200 level behind third base at Yankee stadium last week and saw Altuve in person for the first time. I knew he was short but my god I’ve never seen someone so short play baseball before. He was like the ultra small player in every old Nintendo sports game.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha…Yup, he’s super tiny…Like a kewpie doll

      • Zeus says:
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        @Grey: he’s the smallest doll in a matryoshka set

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Nope, can’t fit many dolls inside him

  29. Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season says:
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    if you can’t hit rodney when it means something you deserve to be out. funny that if cruz knew how to slide it’d still be tied. Carpenter’s K was atrocious.

      • Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season says:
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        @Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season: cardinals fans might want to be very careful on their way back home, lot of drunk people that haven’t won anything in their lives running around.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha

        • Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season says:
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          @Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season: could go like
          CUBS guy (drunk): something asinine to Cardinals fan, possibly following him up the street
          Cardinals guy (drunk and/or very sad): says something to the effect that it must be nice to win something for once in your life
          CUBS (many) lynch Cardinals guy

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Probably

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Agreed

  30. J-FOH says:
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    Okay I’m watching the “game” . Lets see, matz hasn’t pitched for three weeks, Kendrick gets him 2-0 and swings instead of making the kid throw more pitches, if the Dodgers are all about OBP, then why not try and tire him out and go for a walk, half his pitches hae been inthe dirt. Same as Gonzo, swinging at some garbage early, again, way to make the kid work for it. I wonder if mattingly tells them to not look at anything Freidman sends down to them

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Dodgers bats have looked lost for the last month

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: totally agree. I think the best thing for them would of been if Mattingly would of gone out and argued Murphys second check swing, which should of been a strike, and got thrown out of the game. Yes Im saying the best thing for them is for him to get tossed

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yes, don’t disagree

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: I make a trip to the bathroom and I come back and its 3-0….is this a sign?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yes, your dumps are metaphorical symbols of the Dodgers offense

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: it resembled Utleys face

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  You should’ve took a dump pic

  31. J-FOH says:
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    Is it me or does matz dad look like a fat DiMaggio?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha…Totally!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I think Cram went to high school with Matz’s dad

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: Cram is that old?….Yikes

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Maybe he went to the same school as Matz, something along those lines

  32. J-FOH says:
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    Not one comment for you today…until now

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      This Jays game is bonkers

  33. slew says:
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    Wow! what a crazy ass game.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Crazy!

  34. slew says:
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    Guess they didn’t like Joey Bats Bat Flip?!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I think they were pissed cause they thought Edwin was getting the crowd going

  35. Gray's Sports Almanac says:
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    Grey, I am starting to wonder if you have been reading my almanac. Grey’s predictions on the Divisional Round Winners – TOR…HOU…Dodgers…CUBS

    You’ve got the first three right, Maybe you should have a spot on the site for traditional sports gambling (besides DFS)… You’d probably be great at that too, but I don’t gamble (other than pay fantasy leagues) so it really wouldn’t matter to me… But for the love of all things mustachioed, great job so far on the pics…. (still hoping your wrong on the Toronto all the way pick)

    • Gray's Sports Almanac says:
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      Houston up 2-0 so far, whoop whoop!

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Haha

  36. Crapshoot Kershaw says:
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    this right here is my problem, i don’t have any “street agents” sending out b.s. offers. I want to be worth 3 million (for what you say, well, that’s my street PR guys bag) rather than whatever my real agent would claim. Get some twit caught in the middle and bid 2 and i’m set up pretty nice. i’ll even give you Grey like at least .4 mil in this if you know anybody.

  37. georgene pottinger says:
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    Grey , I enjoy your work a lot .Plus you are interesting ,not always the case with most intellectuals.On the other hand , I think you missed the boat on a second baseman , who I think will hit 25 homers next year or soon. Maybe you did this on purpose ?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      As the title reads, this is not for 2016

      • georgene pottinger says:
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        @Grey: Right you are .

  38. Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo says:
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    wow, valencia didn’t even count as 2B in yahoo, and yahoo is notoriously easy to qualify things. i did own him in either deep leagues or streamer in normal sized ones but for a corner slot or LF.

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