Hey, guys and five girls, we’re (I’re) back! Today’s 2018 fantasy baseball rankings tackle your favorite (I’m guessing!), the top 40 outfielders for 2018 fantasy baseball. Last year, Stephen Hawking was hitting his keyboard robotically telling us, “It’s a black hole for outfielders, we need to spontaneously combust some new ones.” Then, between outfielder rants, Stephen would jot down a letter to Eddie Redmayne about a sequel to The Theory of Everything. Well, no sequel on the horizon, but don’t underestimate Hawking’s ability to spontaneously combust some new outfielders, because this position is deep AF. As always, my projections are noted for each player and where I see tiers starting and stopping. Also, all of Rudy’s hitter projections are under that easy-to-click link. Anyway, here’s the top 40 outfielders for 2018 fantasy baseball:
21. Lorenzo Cain – This tier started in the top 20 outfielders for 2018 fantasy baseball. This tier goes from here until Mancini. I called this tier, “Hopsin.” As for Cain, yo, screw these 15/20 guys, yo. Cain, Polanco, Yelich and Pham can all eat a D. I hate a guy who is touching his ceiling with 15/20. Know what happens when they hit their floor? They put up a 12/16 season and your fantasy team is hurting for everything. Cain is going to be 32 years old, and I’m not relying on him to come anywhere close to 25+ steals. Sorry, I can’t endorse Cain…Sugar! between the white lines. UPDATE: On January 25th, a pimple-faced teenager went to check on Mr. Scott Boras because his newspapers were piling up outside of his house. Diiiiing. Diiiiiing. No answer. He then leaned over to the window to peer in to see Scott Boras trapped underneath a stack of hundred dollar bills. Thus, the Winter Meetings started this year on January 25th. Lorenzo Cain going to the Brewers is another boost in value for an outfielder. (Sorry, Domingo Santana.) The tweet below is in honor of Montgomery Brewers. 2018 Projections: 91/18/79/.292/18 in 535 ABs
Apparently, the Brewers’ great aunt died and left them a fortune with one stipulation: you must buy outfielders.
— Razzball (@Razzball) January 26, 2018
22. Nelson Cruz – A few years ago I stopped trying to guess when Cruz was going to stop hitting boku homers. Now, I’m guessing weights and ages at a local carnival! “You look like you’re 45 and 167 pounds, or 37 and pregnant.” That’s me right before being punched. Cruz just hit 39-plus homers for the 4th straight season. Yes, he’s old, but maybe he found the Fountain of Youth. Or Fountain of Yute, if Joe Pesci is reading. UPDATE: Diagnosed with a strained quad. Or as Mariners fans are now exclaiming, “Whoa Nelly!” If you already drafted Nelson Cruz on your fantasy team, then, for $35, you can get the rapper Nelly to put a Band-Aid on your fantasy team. I’ve docked Cruz two weeks of regular season at-bats, but obviously there’s cause of concern now. 2018 Projections: 82/33/98/.282/1 in 509 ABs
23. Billy Hamilton – The tier got its name because players grew on me the further I dug into them. Okay, that’s not telling the whole story with Hamilton. I didn’t just dig into him, I dug into baseball, in general. I’m pulling back curtains! *rips back curtain* Oh, crap! I’m sorry, I just grabbed the first curtain I saw and didn’t realize I was in a Lane Bryant. In the last three years, Hamilton’s steals: 57, 58, 59. Can you fill in the next number in that string? Yeah, me too. “Is that your string theory?” Okay, Stephen Hawking let me do the talking now. Steals are garbage everywhere, and you know Hamilton. He’s not throwing away his shot! He’s not throwing away his shot! He’s young, scrappy and hungry! Okay, maybe not hungry, but speedy, fo’ sho. 2018 Projections: 92/6/40/.252/60 in 559 ABs
24. A.J. Pollock – Chase Field is implementing the humidor (last I heard) to start this year, so it will be interesting to see how much a difference it makes. My guess is offense will stay where it is in Arizona, but baseballs will smell like an old man’s poker game. *smelling humidor* “Is it me or does it smell like Arnold Schwarzenegger just had sex?” Any hoo! I don’t think a humidor will affect Pollock terribly, I think his gams being 30 years old will do that. If he played 155 games last year, he still would’ve had a 20/30/.270 season, so let’s hope he has one more in him. 2018 Projections: 92/18/78/.277/23 in 561 ABs
25. Ronald Acuna – Already gave you my Ronald Acuna fantasy. It had six grammatical mistakes. Also, I go over Acuna in the video. 2018 Projections: 74/17/77/.304/21 in 514 ABs
26. Whit Merrifield – Went over him in the top 20 2nd basemen for 2018 fantasy baseball.
27. Yoenis Cespedes – I struggled with Yoenis’ ranking. More so than a lot of other guys. I wanted to put him down with Ryan Braun, and just say I’m done with guys on the other side of 30. Cespedes, though, whether real or imagined or interjection, feels to me like Miggy three years ago. He had a down year, and he seemed done, then he rebounded with a solid season in 2016. Cespedes feels similar. He was totally fine last year when he was on the field, then he had some hamstring issues. If they’re behind him (literally and figuratively), I’m Hopsin’ing all over him. 2018 Projections: 82/31/93/.285/2 in 528 ABs
28. Eddie Rosario – Already gave you my Eddie Rosario sleeper. I wrote it while deleting the file Goatse.cx off my computer. (If you don’t know what that is, don’t Google it. By me saying don’t Google it, it makes you want to Google it, doesn’t it? Well, really, really don’t Google it then.) 2018 Projections: 88/30/96/.286/4 in 551 ABs
29. Joey Gallo – Went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2018 fantasy baseball.
30. Trey Mancini – Went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2018 fantasy baseball.
31. Tommy Pham – This is a new tier. This tier goes from here until Desmond. I call this tier, “Back support.” By this tier name I mean, you’re at 7-11, you start filling a 64 ounce Big Gulp, and about five minutes in, you start thinking, “Am I really going to drink all of this?” Then, five minutes later, as the drink starts to finish, you ask the lovely Punjabi man behind the counter, if he could help you carry the drink to the counter, and he says, “Back support in aisle three.” All of these guys are going to feel super fun when you draft them, but I hope by May you don’t throw your back out trying to carry them on your team. Yes, it’s early to be feeling less than confident in outfielders, but here we are. Don’t worry, outfielders get crazy/sexy/cool again later on, so don’t go chasing waterfalls. As for Pham, to be blunt, it feels like an effin’ joke how high Pham is going this year. I get it, he helped win people leagues last year. He helped me win leagues last year! But he’s going in the top 70 overall, and the top 20 outfielders. Have you seen his fly ball rate? He hits about as many fly balls as Joe Mauer and Yelich. Yeah, those guys are power hitters (if you move the fences in 60 feet). Have you seen Pham? Does he appear to be a guy who is an easy 20-homer hitter? He has a 51% ground ball rate. Dude’s a bad BABIP away from hitting .185 in April and being benched. Last year, he went 20/20, but this year his eyesight won’t even be 20/20. 2018 Projections: 83/16/63/.275/19 in 484 ABs
32. Andrew McCutchen – The Giants traded for McCutchen this offseason, after I started the rankings, so didn’t have a chance to go over him yet in his new environs. By the way, don’t ever say the word ‘environs’ in person to someone, they will have every right to punch you. McClutchin’ his knee defied my expectations last year by having a respectable season, but you’re crumby with crackers if you think now I’m going back in on him. Not to sound like a Fox announcer, but he seems like a professional hitter that can hit no matter what, but at some point his steals will disappear and he’s more of a 23-homer hitter than a 28-homer one. PNC is not exactly a hitters’ park, but AT&T makes it hard to go long distance too (without roaming charges). On a side note, you know what this Pirates’ sell-off means, right? The Mets will trade for David Freese! 2018 Projections: 82/23/90/.273/9 in 563 ABs
33. Gregory Polanco – Member what I was saying about 33 words ago (totally counted!) about what happens when a 15/20 guy fails to live up to expectations? Yeah, last year Polanco went 11/8. He could bounce back, but he picked up some bad swing tendencies last year, and he might be in a platoon by May if he doesn’t figure shizz out quickly. Though, the way the Pirates are selling off, I’m not sure who he’d platoon with. What’s Andy Van Slyke up to? 2018 Projections: 71/16/79/.254/15 in 509 ABs
34. Ryan Braun – Of course, Braun is in a tier called back support. Braun should enter the batter’s box with an IV and a nurse standing behind him. I blame Braun for my health insurance premiums! A case could be made that Braun can rebound like Yoenis, but I’m not here making that case. *Law & Order ominous chung CHUNG* 2018 Projections: 70/22/74/.265/10 in 487 ABs
35. Carlos Santana – Went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2018 fantasy baseball.
36. Matt Olson – Went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2018 fantasy baseball.
37. Ian Desmond – Went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2018 fantasy baseball.
38. Nomar Mazara – This is a new tier. This tier goes from here until top 60 outfielders for 2018 fantasy baseball. I call this tier, “Too bad there’s no outfielders to draft. PSYCH, SNITCHES.” I was struggling a lot with the outfielders from about Yelich until here, but now we’re back in on guys that are juicy AF, and I want to draft about eight outfielders in a five outfielder league. As for Nomar, already gave you a Nomar Mazara sleeper. I wrote it, then turned around in my chair dressed like Blake Shelton. 2018 Projections: 81/27/93/.278/3 in 571 ABs
39. Ender Inciarte – What is the difference between Ender and those 15/20 guys above? First, Ender’s a lot cheaper in drafts. Second, that first point has a lot to do with it. Third, there’s no third. Fourth, he hits for a solid average too, but it’s really about that first point. Fifth, seriously, that first point is so money. Sixth, should I just repeat the first point? Seventh, oh c’mon, it was in the first point! Eighth, I give up. Ninth, seriously, stop! Tenth, UGH! FIRST POINT! 2018 Projections: 96/14/52/.300/20 in 634 ABs
40. Domingo Santana – Something I noticed that I will tell you about after this awkward sentence intro, not a ton of steals last year, but some of the guys who did steal a solid number of bags, don’t even have blazing speed. The off-the-top-of-my-head guys I’ve mentioned in this post alone, Bregman, Benintendi and Santana. It worries me that Sunday Santana could return to being a five-steal guy, after stealing 15 last year, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, which is my favorite charity. “Headed to a Benefit of the Doubt, there’s some women honoring Dustin Hoffman with the benefit of the doubt.” UPDATE: Well, I’m glad I didn’t write a Domingo Santana sleeper post. The Brewers went last-minute outfielder shopping at Marline’s Basement, and grabbed Yelich, then they said, “What the hey” and grabbed Cain…Sugar! Now I have no idea where Domingo is playing. If there’s yet another trade, Domingo will move again. For now, I’ll leave him here, but if the Brewers don’t move him or another outfielder, Sunday Santana’s going to plummet in my rankings. 2018 Projections: 77/28/93/.261/12 in 531 ABs
Greyt work, as always.
Muchas gracias for your research.
U da man!
@Dodger Rabbit: No problem!
How do I delete the “podcast” because I can’t print out the rankings. I can do away with the new 2 minute video entirely if you tell me how.
@True and Correct: Is this a “troll-back”? Is your name Heath?
I’ve decided that your comment is not sarcasm…? Someone usually puts together a sheet in February or so. If you can’t wait that long for free content, you should pay for it elsewhere or make a sheet for yourself. Also consider scrolling past the video, as you would an add. These are things you can control on your own, true/correct?
@True and Correct: At minimum you could copy and paste the text portion to a word doc and print that. Printing entire web pages seems like hell on ink supply with or without the videos.
@Rum Ham: thank you
@True and Correct: I agree with Rum Ham, I always do tho
@Grey: thanks
No problem
Nomar!!!
@El Marco: Ramon in a mirror!
Loving that Rosario ranking—and I bet he’s available much later too!
@Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: Prolly but I’m crazy about him
I’m so disappointed in Polanco I can’t even bring myself to do a projection for him.
I’m a Pham guy, do you see that walk rate? He’ll get on base even if his avg drops to .270ish and he’s fast (IFH% should be solid). I think he’s a lock for 20 steals and a ton of runs. He doesn’t have 30 HR upside but if bumps the FB% to 30-35, he’s a 25 HR hitter.
@Max Freeze: Not feeling the whole Pham thing
@Grey: that’s ok because I like Inciarte rank. AVG and runs always seem to be undervalued in fantasy.
@Max Freeze: it’s not easy (nor common) to just see a 29-30 year old just” turn a 51% GB rate into a 30-35%” one. it’s not like flipping a light switch here.
A Matt Olsen fan! See value in keeping him at $9 then?
Am trying to get DeGrom to keep for $21 next year. Would cost me a $3 Jon Gray though for next year is it worth it? Aces are often kept and I don’t have any keepable ones, so thought it would be a good idea to get my paws on one.
@Swfcdan: And if keep J Gray, keep him for one ($3) or 2 ($6) years? 2 sounds obvious but we only keep total of 8 each year so really need to maximise value with contracts.
@Swfcdan: And you always say depends on league size, so its s 12er!
@Swfcdan: Jon Gray would cost you what? deGrom or Olson?
@Grey: Getting Degrominator would cost me Grey yes. Oops not you I mean Gray!
And Olson isn’t involved in this? I’d take deGrom for Jon Gray
@Grey: Nah not involved. I just wondered if you see a $9 Olsen as a keeper?
Talking of Olson, did the Olsen twins use to be hot back in the day. I say yay, you say?
Maybe, depends on options
Grey!
Great write-up. I’m in a 10 team H2H 10 player keeper league. I’ve listed the 10 keepers I was thinking as well as the other players I could keep so let me know if you see any swaps. Obviously no pitchers being kept but I most teams keep between 7-9 batters so there will be good pitchers in the draft. I also thought of keeping Robles and Eloy even though they may not be studs in 2018 as if I let them go they would get scooped up:
Keepers:
Trea, Arenado, Bellinger, Jose Ramirez, Rhys Hoskins, Acuna, Benintendi, Devers, Robles, Eloy
Other options: Willie Calhoun, Danny Salazar, Ian Happ, Matt Olson, Francisco Mejia, Conforto, Odor, Kyle Tucker
I’m pumped about my keepers thanks to following your rankings and advice last year!
LG
@LG Baseball: @LG Baseball: Nice keepers! In a 10 teamer, i’d let Robles and Eloy go and focus on guys who will immediately contribute . . . for me, Happ and Odor (maybe Willie, but Odor is still only 24 or so).
@LG Baseball: Agree with Duda
@Grey: thanks guys – is Olson close or is Happ and Odor the 2 changes you’d make?
Happ and Odor
@Grey: thanks!
No problem
What has you concerned the bottom will fall out for khris Davis?
@Crime dog: age and plate discipline scare me.
@Curious George Springer:
He’s 30 and he walks a lot. Am I missing something?
@Justin: He didn’t walk a lot before last year. Sure does K a lot and his OBP is subpar. He has to hit 40 HR’s to be ranked where he is.
@Cram It: What Cram said. He’s a guy who will disappoint if he doesn’t do exactly what he was expect to produce, and who has no upside to do anything more (barring a trade to a great stadium/team).
To me, seems like another side of the same coin as the issue with all those 15/20 guys.
@Duda Want to Build a Snowman?:
Yeah, but all guys disappoint if they don’t do what we expect them to produce…that sounds strange…
@Justin: look at Chris Davis to see what we are talking about. he had similar BB/K rates a couple years ago. His K rate rose and some of his medium contact turned to weak contact.
@Curious George Springer
Similar profiles but not the same person. I’m talking about Khris not Chris!
@Justin: Not true. Machado disappointed because his average was low; Goldy because his HR’s were low last year. But they still fill the categories. If Davis doesn’t hit 40 HR’s, in that lineup, he’s Eric Thames.
@Cram It:
I’m not comparing Khris Davis to Machado or Goldy. Those guys are clearly better.
@Justin: Maybe this is a better one . . . Khris Davis vs. Odor . . . Odor lost all semblance of AVG last year, but still had value with the 30/15 he pulled.
@Justin: I get that. Then take any player that’s a HR only guy. If he’s not hitting a ton of HR’s, he’s probably draining you everywhere else. (Eric Thames)
@Crime dog: Ks/age
@Crime dog: See his namelganger for what Ks and age can do
@Grey: LOL. I was saying this same thing at the same time. Get out of my head, Albright!
Sorry, CGS
@Grey:
A sample size of one is why your lover thinks you’re the best. There’s an analogy there.
The small sample size strikes again!
@Grey: yeah I get it, his production seems so steady though.
Also I don’t know if I fully understand the age 30 thing. I get that some guys do fall off slightly after 30, but is anyone really falling off a cliff at 30? 30 just doesn’t seem to be that old in baseball. Some guys have their best years in their 30’s like Edwin, he sucked until he was 29 then was awesome from 29 until about now. Nelly cruz still kills it at 37, beltre another one, and more. I feel like there’s a decent amount that thrive in their 30’s. I can see the argument for speed falling off at that age, but for a guy to just stand up there and swing a bat I just don’t see how if a guy turns 30 he all of a sudden can’t do that.
So maybe guys who are like 15-20 homer guys and rely on speed for a lot of their value I could see wanting to avoid at 30, or guys with injury histories. But these power hitters seem to do just as well in their 30’s as long as they don’t have an injury history, which I think Khris would fall into that category.
For every Edwin, there’s three Trumbo’s… Well documented career path of majors leagues is peak mid to late 20’s, then trail off…
@Grey:
Trumbo KILLED it at age 30, he sucked at 28&29. It’s the well documented Trumbo Theory. Players fall off a cliff in their late 20s, have a resurgence at the age of 30, then continue to fall off the cliff.
Khris Davis is right at the sweet spot.
Haha, isn’t it the Trumbo Credo of Presumptive Presupposition?
@Grey: Chris Davis is on roids too, who knows for how long he has been. That can really speed up the aging process. he’s 31 but could have the body of a 37 year old. Maybe Khris davis does roids too. Khris’ track record, although similar, just seems more steady.
Not arguing your ranking either, you have Khris pretty high/where I would probably expect I just more like hearing your thoughts on why you think the end could be near for him, and the whole age 30 thing. Thanks for the response!
Did Chris Davis get busted?
@Grey: oh snap! I just looked, I guess it was amphetamines he got busted for, guess I just assumed roids. But yeah I guess I haven’t really looked at how many guys fall off at 30 relative to ones that don’t. Good stuff as always, thanks Grey!
No problem
Have to make a keeper decision in OBP – Rendon or Ozuna?
@Lil john: Rendon
@Lil john: Flip a coin…Rendon
Hey Grey,
I saw you had Sano ranked with the 1B. Is he supposed to be Minnesota’a starting 1B on opening day? Thanks.
No — Mauer will be starting at 1B, Sano (assuming he isn’t still recovering from surgery or suspended) will be starting at 3B.
Grey went over him with the 1Bs because he is eligible at 1B for fantasy and he did 1Bs before he did 3Bs and then OFs.
@Schwab: Agree with CGS
Thanks. I don’t think he is eligible at 1B in ESPN.
In Yahoo
On the plus side you have now covered all 5 of my starting OF in dynasty. On the negative side you are down on two of them in a non-sexual way. Here’s hoping Blackmon and Yelich don’t regress too badly.
Now I will anxiously await the comments complaining that the link in the Mancini blurb take them to another Mancini blurb with another link. You sly dog you.
@Jensen: That reminds me of my first day of teaching, when I accidentally promised my students an unusual punishment if they were found to plagiarize. There’s a big difference between “coming down hard on you” and “going down hard on you.” Unfortunately, the latter slipped out. They were freshman, though, so they just froze in shock. Had they been seniors, I would never have heard the end of it.
@Jensen: Haha
@Grey: Grey, thank you for taking my concerns so seriously and finding such a swift upgrade for my boy DJ Yeli. Scott Boras who? Grey Albright, agent extraordinaire!
I do what I can!
Arnold joke was spot on! Is the Pham ranking basically because of the groundball rate? I have to balance the risk of having him not replicate last year versus rostering Pham so I can have a pun in my team name.
@Justin: Haha, pun in team name is important…hmm…
@Grey:
Why Rosario and Mancini in a higher tier than Pham? Just a gut? Is it because Pham is about to turn 30? You hate 30-year olds…why? Were you particularly traumatized by someone at age 30?
I do like my players in their 20s unless they have a track record, which Pham has of about 3 months…
@Grey:
Avoiding the trauma part of the question I see.
You like an experienced older man with a track record…I know, KHRIS DAVIS!!!
I’ve been hurt! Damn you!
Checkin in on standard 12 team keeper values . . . we still like an $11 Devers keeper (+3 annually in 2019-on) over a $5 Rosario or $14 Story, right?
My hope is that Rosario and Story can be drafted for less than that this year . . . Devers I could see going for $15.
@Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: Amed or Eddie? I think Devers either way. I think Eddie Rosario will be an under the radar guy. People don’t believe in Twins players (even though the Twins offense was really pretty good LY, and should be better TY).
@Curious George Springer: Eddie, sorry. Yea, wouldn’t be surprised if we could all snag Eddie for $6-$8 tops.
@Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: I lean Devers for the ceiling in his prime. Btw, were you ever able to get your mitts on $12 Bryant?
@Rum Ham: Thanks for asking! SO close, but still working on it. He’s generally on board with the preferred 2:2 pairing, but likes his $4-$5 keepers (Mancini/Whit, etc.) more than $11 Devers due to price (not talent) . . . he gets that JDM may outproduce KB in several categories (HR, RBI, maybe AVG), but can’t get past the disparity in age, esp. since it’s a keep forever format. I get it, of course, but man it was so close to happening!
@Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: Is there any of the options he would do right now, or did he get cold feet all together? Don’t let the door shut on cheap-forever Bryant! Not a knock on JD either, but Bryant has several more yrs of prime left and no injury history. Make it hap’n cap’n!
@Rum Ham: thanks! I think cold feet for now. He would do 1:1 for my $3 Cody Bellinger, but I don’t think I’d do that one…probably not at least
@Rum Ham: Thanks for asking! SO close, but still working on it. He’s generally on board with the preferred 2:2 pairing, but likes his $4-$5 keepers (Mancini/Whit, etc.) more than $11 Devers due to price (not talent) . . . he gets that JDM may outproduce KB in several categories (HR, RBI, maybe AVG), but can’t get past the disparity in age, esp. since it’s a keep forever format. I get it, of course, but man it was so close to happening!
@Rum Ham: Thanks for asking! SO close, but still working on it. He’s generally on board with the preferred 2:2 pairing, but likes his $4-$5 keepers (Mancini/Whit, etc.) more than $11 Devers due to price (not talent) . . . he gets that JDM may outproduce KB in several categories (HR, RBI, maybe AVG), but can’t get past the disparity in age, esp. since it’s a keep forever format. I get it, of course, but man it was so close to happening!
@Rum Ham: Thanks for asking! SO close, but still working on it. He’s generally on board with the preferred 2:2 pairing, but likes his $4-$5 keepers (Mancini/Whit, etc.) more than $11 Devers due to price (not talent) . . . he gets that JDM may outproduce KB in several categories (HR, RBI, maybe AVG), but can’t get past the disparity in age, esp. since it’s a keep forever format. I get it, of course, but man it was so close to happening!
@Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: Even if Rosario does well, he’s never gonna have price tag like Devers doing well
Mr. President,
Two questions:
(1) I don’t know how to put an avatar on here and “claim that shizz,” as you put it.
(b) When a school mom drops her kids off in yoga pants, isn’t she just asking for the drop-off dads to wind up accidentally calling their wives by her name later that day?
(2) (see what I did there?) With Polanco’s decreased status, isn’t he a pretty good candidate for drafts? He’s probably going to be drafted way late based on his bad last year, but he’s demonstrated the skills, and as baseball-y guys will say, once you’ve shown a skill, you have it. I see a bounceback and a good buy-low on him. Plus, he’ll probably get traded to a contender (hellooooo Yankees!!) at some point this year.
I’ll patiently await your response.
@Big Mike: A. What CGS said B. Ha! 2. If you can get Polanco relatively cheap, sure… But even if you got him cheap last year, you didn’t want him…
Grey or Ralph–Where in the OF do you see Lewis Brinson and Ronald Acuna settling? Brinson in CF and Acuna in RF?
Ralph–
Would you consider doing a post (similar to Halp’s unfinished IBW post “inexperienced…”) addressing players who are no longer prospects, but not really expected to start in MLB, with an eye towards dynasty value? I love that IBW post, and am sad that it never got finished. Its an extremely useful comparison. You da man for the job. Where do guys like David Dahl and Frankie Martes fit relative to prospects?