All the final 2014 fantasy baseball rankings for hitters are done.  For those that skipped today’s title, this starts the top 20 starters for 2014 fantasy baseball.  This is NOT for 2015 (caps for those who can’t read titles; supposedly it’s easier to read caps, I have my doubts).  This is a recap.  Will these affect next year’s rankings?  Sure.  But not entirely.  To recapitulate, these rankings are from our Fantasy Baseball Player Rater.  We’re (me) using it to fairly gauge our (my) preseason rankings.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 starters for 2014 fantasy baseball and how they compare to where I originally ranked them:

1. Clayton Kershaw – If I had a 100% guarantee on Kershaw in March, I still wouldn’t have drafted him.  It’s not a matter of punting starters.  I don’t punt them.  I also don’t believe in drafting the top echelon ones.  Let’s look at the large-enough sample size (that’s what I tell the ladies!) of my RCL league and Yahoo Friends and Family.  One league is 12-team, one league is 15-team, respectively.  In the 12-team league, I had a 3.067 ERA, 1.176 WHIP, 99 Wins and 1415 Ks.  That was good for 38 points out of 48 starter points (this is obviously excluding Saves).  In my 15-team league, I had 42 points for starters out of 60 points.  15 points in ERA and 11 points in WHIP with a 3.04 ERA and 1.16 WHIP.  Anchoring the 12-team was Teheran and anchoring the 15-team one was Kluber.  In both leagues, I didn’t win due to my hitting.  If I would’ve gave up my 2nd round hitting in the 12-team league (Pujols) for Kershaw, I would’ve prolly lost by more, definitely wouldn’t have won.  In the 15-team league, I had the best ERA, but Kershaw may have added a tad more pitching points (in Ks and WHIP), but I still would’ve need a crapton of hitting. Kershaw wouldn’t have made up for Longoria having a sad, sad year and Prince Fielder screwing the pooch.  Drafting Kluber 250th overall definitely made up for not drafting Kershaw in the 2nd round.  (Drafting Teheran at 111th overall also helped, taking Cobb 81st overall didn’t hurt, Tillman at 171 overall wasn’t bad, Alex Wood at 220 was nice, and picking up Roark and Shoemaker were solid too).  That’s an insane pitching team in 15 teams and that staff was easy to draft predominantly after the top 100th pick.  Try to draft only hitting after the top 100.  My pitching team in the 12 team was assembled the same way.  Pitching is so deep, my first pitcher in the 12 team league was Gerrit Cole, who wasn’t great and I traded away in June, and I still had a 3.07 team ERA!  Okay, I could go on and on about this, but we need to move on.  Preseason Rank #1, 2014 Projections:  17-6/2.65/1.03/222, Final Numbers: 21-3/1.77/0.86/239

2. Johnny Cueto – I have better rankings than anyone.  That’s a fact.  Pitchers are easier to peg than hitters.  Another fact.  A third fact, my mustache is awe-inspiring.  A fourth fact, I whiffed on Cueto, as did almost two times more hitters than I thought would.  Unlike a lot of fantasy baseball ‘perts, I’m able to adjust midstream.  As I did in the 2nd week of the season, when I gave you my Cueto fantasy.  I saw after just a few starts he had changed his approach and was getting more Ks.  This holds true for Jon Lester, Price and Greinke too.  I didn’t like them in the preseason, but could see quickly they were pitching better than I thought they were going to.  Preseason Rank #46, 2014 Projections:  13-9/3.37/1.19/134, Final Numbers: 20-9/2.25/0.96/242

3. Felix Hernandez – When someone as great as F-Her has the best season of their career, and still isn’t the best pitcher in baseball it really illuminates how masterful Kershaw is.  Not saying I’d draft any of these guys, but I can appreciate them.  Preseason Rank #3, 2014 Projections:  16-4/2.82/1.10/224, Final Numbers: 15-6/2.14/0.92/248

4. Corey Kluber – Now is as good a time as any to point out that my Kluber ranking was low, but that’s kinda irrelevant.  No one had him ranked in the top 5.  What is relevant is you read rankings that tell you to draft the right guys.  I told you to draft Kluber, saying he could be a breakout guy.  Sky also gave you a Corey Kluber sleeper post.  Preseason Rank #55, 2014 Projections:  10-11/3.78/1.28/155, Final Numbers: 18-9/2.44/1.09/269

5. Adam Wainwright – I really try to make this about the season that was rather than next year, but, looking at Wainwright, the thing that keeps coming back to me is, “Damn, this guy is going to be overrated next year.”  Look at some of the strikeout totals in this top 10.  248 here, 242 there, 269 here, 271 there.  Wainwright had 179 Ks.  Um, burp.  Preseason Rank #6, 2014 Projections:  17-10/2.88/1.05/204, Final Numbers: 20-9/2.38/1.03/179

6. Jon Lester – I mentioned Lester above as a guy I goofed on.  I course corrected pretty early, saying on May 5th that Lester would likely be a top 15 starter and that I was wrong in the preseason.  The reason then and the reason that it continued is he abandoned a changeup that wasn’t working.  Why it took him three years to realize that?  Your guess = my guess.  Preseason Rank #37, 2014 Projections:  14-10/3.66/1.31/171, Final Numbers: 16-11/2.46/1.10/220

7. David Price – Same boat as Lester, as mentioned previously on the aforementioned tip.  Price’s, uh, price concerned me in the preseason.  I’m not trying to make excuses for myself, but it was irrelevant.  There’s so many pitchers that if I’m wrong about a handful of starters, there’s still plenty to go around.  When looking at his projections to the end-of-the-season stats, it’s pretty crazy how right I was on everything except his Ks.  And there I couldn’t have been any more off.  The problem was from 2012 to 2013 his velocity dropped (a warning sign for most guys), but he figured out a way to make the lesser velocity work for him in 2014, and it was a non-issue.  Mea culpa, for my Latin American readers.  Preseason Rank #16, 2014 Projections:  16-10/3.26/1.11/176, Final Numbers: 15-12/3.26/1.08/271

8. Madison Bumgarner – He’s about as consistent as they come, year in and year out.  Kinda robotic in how consistent he is.  Not to get all Ayn Rand philosophical on you, but is this Bum a man?  When a Bum shrugs, does the weight of the world roll off and make a thousand little worlds that run on the sweat of other pitchers?  (What?  I only read the Cliff Notes; like you read any entire Ayn Rand book.)  Preseason Rank #7, 2014 Projections:  16-10/2.91/1.09/201, Final Numbers: 18-10/2.98/1.09/219

9. Max Scherzer – The Winter Meetings this year are gonna go like the American Idol final cuts.  “Everyone in this room is going to the Yankees!”  “Everyone in this room is going to the Red Sox!”  “Sorry, everyone in this room is going to other teams.”  Oops, this was supposed to be about last year, um, Scherzer was awesome.  Okay, moving on.  Preseason Rank #4, 2014 Projections:  17-8/3.01/1.12/232, Final Numbers: 18-5/3.15/1.18/252

10. Chris Sale – Every preseason I get the willies about Sale.  Not the willies like a drag queen in West Hollywood, but the willies as in I worry about Sale’s health.  I’m reevaluating that, and since there are so many pitchers to pick up off waivers that if you lose a starter, I’m beginning to think Sale should be even more coveted.  Take an insane 175 IP from Sale and 40 IP from a streamer, and Sale’s a top 5 starter.  Me likey’ing Sale, and me prolly just jinxed him for 2015 where he’ll only pitch 60 IP, then need Tommy John.  Lowercase yay.  Preseason Rank #11, 2014 Projections:  12-9/2.89/1.09/217, Final Numbers: 12-4/2.17/0.97/208

11. Zack Greinke – The great thing about writing so much about each player is I know exactly what I was thinking six months later.  With Greinke turning 30 years old, his velocity dropping and his K-rate falling to 7.5 in 2013, I was concerned it was the beginning of the end for him.  Yup, it wasn’t.  (The bad thing about writing so much is I can’t bend four of my fingers.  Cougs, could you hit the shift key for me?)  Preseason Rank #17, 2014 Projections:  16-8/3.34/1.17/173, Final Numbers: 17-8/2.71/1.15/207

12. Stephen Strasburg – Everything about 2014 from Strasburg was awesome and the best of his career, except for his ERA.  That’s the best case scenario for next year.  For this year, it didn’t do his owners any great favors.  Preseason Rank #5, 2014 Projections:  16-7/2.79/1.04/202, Final Numbers: 14-11/3.14/1.12/242

13. Jordan Zimmermann – He has me slightly puzzled.  I’m flummoxed, y’all!  He increased his K-rate by a ton, but looks like he threw pretty much the same arsenal.  Throwing his change and curve percentage points less (11.6% to 8% on the curve and 5% to 3.2% on the change) does not make a convincing case why his K-rate should’ve shot up.  I mean, in 2013 it was 6.8 K/9 and last year it was 8.2.  That’s a huge difference.  His swinging rate went up on the fastball considerably.  The only thing I can figure out is he stopped throwing his fastball as much in the lower quadrant and instead moved to an upper one.  If he threw 91 MPH, this wouldn’t increase his productivity, it would prolly decrease it.  However, he possess a 94 MPH fastball and hitters can’t catch up with it upstairs.  Hence, more Ks.  Hmm, maybe I’m not that puzzled.  Preseason Rank #21, 2014 Projections:  14-8/3.31/1.14/168, Final Numbers: 14-5/2.66/1.07/182

14. Julio Teheran – Not going to beat a dead horse for fear of PETA, but Teheran was the one ace I had across most of my teams and I did just fine with pitching in my leagues with him, and I didn’t draft him until very late (for a first starter).  Was actually a tad lucky on that front since Teheran’s K-rate and xFIP fell, due to his fastball falling a mile per hour to 90-ish.  Luck, schmuck, dubya tee eff, it all worked out anyway.  Preseason Rank #15, 2014 Projections:  15-7/3.12/1.15/191, Final Numbers: 14-13/2.89/1.08/186

15. Garrett Richards – I actually owned Richards in that 15-team league I was talking about in Kershaw’s blurb, but only kept him for one start then dropped him after he was shelled (in perhaps the only start last year he wasn’t good).  Oops!  Shows you don’t even need to make every right move with pitching and still do fine.  Shame what happened to his knee, because he looked like he was coming into his own with 96 MPH stuff and a near-9 K-rate.  Too bad, so sad.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 13-4/2.61/1.04/164

16. Phil Hughes – Member way back in Cueto’s blurb I said there were a handful of pitchers I had wrong?  What I left out there was those were starters I had wrong that most others had right.  So, I had Hughes wrong too, but no one had Hughes right.  Preseason Rank #111, 2014 Projections:  8-12/4.01/1.25/160, Final Numbers: 16-10/3.52/1.13/186

17. Jake Arrieta – Wanna know how many pitchers there were this past year?  I picked up Arrieta off waivers in June.  The 17th best starter wasn’t even owned all year, nor should he have been.  Continued in Roark’s blurb.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 10-5/2.53/0.99/167

18. Tanner Roark – Wanna further know how many pitchers there were this past year?  Unlike Arrieta, who I picked up off waivers around midseason, I streamed Roark on and off my RCL team for the better part of two months.  Yes, a pitcher in the top 20 was readily available for me to stream.  Granted, if he were a Padre, JayWrong would’ve picked him up and blocked me.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 15-10/2.85/1.09/138

19. Tyson Ross – This guy was the first time I can remember changing my mind on a guy during the preseason.  I hadn’t ranked him, but then Sky did a sleeper post on him, and I realized what a monkey should know, how bad could a pitcher be in Petco?  I then inserted him into my rankings some time in February.  Like your sister who can’t stop sleeping with your friends, I still was way too bearish on him.  Preseason Rank #87, 2014 Projections:  7-6/3.72/1.30/133, Final Numbers: 13-14/2.81/1.21/195

20. Lance Lynn – Doesn’t Lance Lynn sound like he should date a Josh Beckett ex-girlfriend?  Speaking of which, how appropriate was it that Jeter and Red State Jeter retired the same year?  The universe does get certain things right (that might be an Ayn Rand quote too; no idea, I didn’t read any of her books).  Lynn is one of the reasons why these recaps are so important.  No one thinks Lynn was a top 20 starter (or Roark or Ross or Hughes).  That’s how I ended up ranking Teheran so high in 2014.  He was great in 2013, ranking in the top 22 starters.  It’s just no one realized it like how no one will next year with Lynn and et al.  Wanna make a bet?  Lynn and others I just mentioned will be completely undervalued next year, even though they’ve already proven to be solid.  No, I won’t bet my Gregg Jefferies rookie cards.  Their value is going to turn around.  Preseason Rank #49, 2014 Projections:  12-8/3.88/1.30/178, Final Numbers: 15-10/2.74/1.26/181

  1. Jash says:
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    Uhhhh first….

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jash: Word!

    • JashFath

      JashFath says:
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      @Jash: Don’t disgrace the Jash name with childish “first” comments. Go back to Josh.

      • Crapshoot Kershaw says:
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        @JashFath: and people get on gareth.

      • Jash says:
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        @JashFath: doh c’mon, it’s my first first… Only reason i was awake bc baby wont sleeeeeeeeep

        • JashFath

          JashFath says:
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          @Jash: The “first” comment is reserved for the 9-13 demographic, usually on a picture that the Official Wiz Khalifa Facebook page posted. It makes me sick that this has found its way onto this highly sophisticated site, let alone that another Jash is doing it.

          P.S. WE DEM BOYZ

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Haha

  2. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!

    This is some excellent work, perhaps even your best thus far in terms of the rankings. My reason is as follows.

    I’m prejudiced towards pitching and especially good pitching that can be had for cheap. It seems that every year (don’t know why my mind drifted to Cory Luebke) there is one that really stands out. So I guess my subconscious mind likes your writing on this subject better than the hitters because ‘diamond in the rough’ hitters are easier to find or there are less of them.

    A few ideas.

    1. On Hughes, one pundit (I use that term loosely) on this very hallowed site had an inkling and stuck with it – our beloved Dr Phil (my term), Phil with the Jedd Gyorko pic as his pic.

    2. On Zimmermann with 2ns (as opposed to Zimmerman with 1n), I have this to say.

    a. In 2012, he led the NL in QS%!!! He beat Kershaw in this stat.
    b. All I’m saying is he has seen a steady progress and has become a better pitcher.
    c. You are right on the $$$ with the high cheese. He was able to command that pitch much better too.

    Once again fantastic write-up, man!

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ante GALIC: 1. Ah, there ya go 2. Yup, Two Ns like banana C. Totally B. Using his control better, definitely… No problem

    • J-FOH says:
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      @Ante GALIC: Grey’s ranking and philosophy is towards roto baseball. I believe you are a H2H player based on your questions and comments this year. In H2h high end pitching is more valued than the roto universe. Especially in leagues that limit the moves per week, not knowing if you play in one of those, but for all H2H owners that are discouraged to stream the pithing ranks should be taken with your league settings and format into perspective. I hope this helps

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        High pitching is less valuable in H2H

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Grey: what? not in move limits leagues where you can’t stream like we can in roto. I have played H2H, more than I would like to admit, and very well. An anchor to your staff is key. Grabbing hot hitters with your moves limits was far more key. You might lose K’s on any week, but winning your ratios puts you up the 1 point that matter and they think about wins differently than roto does. There is no I’ll get the W next time.

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Any league with a moves limit hinders streaming…. A general H2H league with no move limits is less reliant on starting pitching…

            • J-FOH says:
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              @Grey: I disagree with you there, IMHO, but I don’t want to be a yes man either…I’m debating y’alls

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                Not really much of a debate… Think about the H2H format… Common sense says it devalues pitching if there’s no moves limits…

                • J-FOH says:
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                  @Grey: see next comment. I also always facto in knowing your league, at what level of players are you playing with. and the time element that some of us have.

            • J-FOH says:
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              @Grey: actually, less reliant in no moves, but a high end anchor to your staff is always ideal. Knowing you have a Kershaw or Felix on the hill every week makes planning a lot easier. Also it depends on your league. I have played with knuckleheads that couldn’t win pin the tail on the donkey without a blindfold and with some series players. With the series types, I needed that stud to off balance the moves that everyone knew to make. They were good.

              • J-FOH says:
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                @J-FOH: *serious

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                It’s not ideal… Who’s winning in a week with Collin McHugh two starts vs. Mariners and Rangers or Kershaw in Coors? H2H is about matchups the entire year…

                • JeF With 1 F says:
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                  @Grey: I play in a lot of H2H leagues with move limits and what has always worked for me is having about 6 good ( not great) starters and the rest of my staff is just relievers with good ratios and high K rates…Id rather have the better offense going into a matchup than rely on one ace.

                  • Grey

                    Grey says:
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                    Yeah, only makes sense… An ace in most weeks is at most 9 innings towards your team… He’s better (still unnecessary) in roto where he’s 200 IP towards your stats…

                    • JeF With 1 F says:
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                      @Grey: Instead of having an ace i just pour hot carrasco sauce on my opponents

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Exactly… Or Lohse in a good matchup…Or dozens of other guys…

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @Grey: 1 through 7 is all the same

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                    @JeF With 1 F: I always liked to stockpile bats on draft day and then sort them out as some would definitely let me down. I wold grab my Ace, a few good ratio relievers like you said and later arms that were easily dropable as I would accumulate my good arms as the year moved forward. Then I would look for a desperate owner who had bad pitching and move him my ace to get those other pieces I needed to make sure I had all my holes covered for the playoffs. It worked well for me then.

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                      @J-FOH: yea I’m down with trading the pitcher to a desperate owner…I just don’t like sacrificing the bat during the draft for the arm

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @JeF With 1 F: thats why I would stockpile bats and target under valued relievers on draft day. after I get my first two bats i don’t mind grabbing an arm in the 3rd or 4th knowing that for the next 6+ rounds its all bats for me

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      In the 3rd or 4th in what? An 8 team league… You’re not getting a top 5 starter otherwise, and probably not a top ten one…

                    • jef with 1 f says:
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                      @J-FOH: I’d have to take the third round bat over the third round pitcher

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @JeF With 1 F: we can agree to disagree, have burned more by 3rd and 4th round bats in the past than any other slots. I also haven’t played H2H in years. I try to stay away from that bastard child of football.

                    • JeF With 1 F says:
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                      @J-FOH: Cant argue with you there…i will be moving away from some H2H leagues this year for more roto…i cant stand the fact that you can kill it all season and lose to a sixth place team in the playoffs because of a cold week.

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @JeF With 1 F: strangely the ace would of helped there….I have no idea

                    • JeF With 1 F says:
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                      @J-FOH: Ha Ha

                • J-FOH says:
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                  @Grey: but matchups change every year and develop into the year. We assumed the Rangers to be “studs” this year and instead were “duds”. Seriously good streaming is more predictable later in the year, as you know, and I hold to my stud anchor theory. A Mad Bum or Felix is what I like to ensure more predictability before the McHugh’s appear. In the past I was always trading those guys later to add the parts I needed to assemble and found the market was more than willing to take my “stud”. At the end of it, we all play it a little different and settings is the key.

                  • Grey

                    Grey says:
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                    You’re not really making sense, JFOH… You’re saying it’s good to draft top starters and trade them at the time of the year when other pitchers are more valuable… So, you’re trading them when they’re less useful to everyone?

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @Grey: I would use them to start my year off and as I would accumulate arms, then they were movable. I liked to build my staff over the year as opposed to buying it on draft day. And value is dependent upon who you are trading with.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      So you’re saying you like to get an ace on draft day and you like to build your staff over the year as opposed to buying it on draft day. Gotcha, those two things are totally opposite…

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @Grey: how? I get my ace and then fill in the guys that emerge as the year moves forward as I draft others that are easy to cut ties with.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      You’re not making a convincing argument for an ace… You’re doing the opposite… It’s not an argument to say you get an ace then trade him to someone who needs him… You can’t guarantee someone will trade you anything close to what you could’ve had hitter-wise in the draft for your ace…

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @Grey: Jeez, when you put it that way. that was my personal way of playing. It worked. Now for advice in this realm, I still like a stud and would rather draft one early as opposed to hoping when of your gambles pay off. This is good, a real discussion about a f***ed up game. It must be off season if you have me talking H2H

                      *turns away to puke*

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, anything can work… Doesn’t make anything right…

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @Grey: I thought I had a perfect team and a sound strategy in the writers league this year and then my team took a collective dump on my chest with injuries and massively underperforming bats. Strangely going high on pitching, my zig to their zag, got me third place as I couldn’t afford to stream for I always needed roster spots to find capable bats on a team of incapable f**k wads. All of this isn’t like Blackjack where if you lay by the rules you win 80% of the time.

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @J-FOH: never had a problem because I could move for 50 cents on the dollar to get what I needed. In roto it’s harder to move an arm later into the year because they have X number of innings left where in H2H, every week is a new one. If the price is right then everyone is movable. That’s my philosophy.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      You’re drafting an ace to move him for 50 cents on the dollar? That’s not good advice…

                    • JeF With 1 F says:
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                      @J-FOH: OK everyone grab there brushes now and lets paint some happy thoughts on our canvas…maybe a happy little tree over here…or a little stream running through like this…whatever you want its your canvas to let your mind roam free.

                    • JeF With 1 F says:
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                      @J-FOH: *Their

                    • Crapshoot Kershaw says:
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                      @J-FOH: the best blackjack players in the world have about a 2% or less edge on that game, in any session (and in modern blackjack you can’t just super up your bet when it’s good to either). No blackjack player in the world (or in any other type of non-fixed gambling that is based completely around preset odds) wins 80% of the time.

  3. Hondo says:
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    Shhh! about JZimm. He’s been my first SP the last 3 years,Let’s just keep it between us.I don’t want someone snagging him in the 5th round.I’ve always been able to get him cheap.

    Don’t forget I’ve got those nudey pics of you and Giancarlo

    • Wake Up says:
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      @Hondo: exactly

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Hondo: Ha, mum’s the word

    • goodfold2 says:
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      @Hondo: please invite me to leagues where you’re getting J-Zimm in the 5th round. i promise to not take him, but i’m expecting other values to be out there if that’s so.

      • Hondo says:
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        @goodfold2: I’ve never taken him that early,I just don’t want anyone else get him before me.The dude’s an ice cube.

        • goodfold2 says:
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          @Hondo: i’m not 100% that he goes that early in my leagues, but i know i never take any pitchers before 5th round, 4th in 10 teamers. Although i’m now gonna either no longer be in 10 teamers any more or change that to late 3rd round to start taking pitchers (1 ace type), since i’m horrible at pitching in 10 teamers. just horrible. in general i’m terrible at these as it’s much harder to learn when to drop underperfomers in 10 teamers. i end up with breakout guys like dickerson in 12’s and above, but not under, since i never drop underperformers in time (rios/andrus/gyorko/miller) for the j.d martinez/dickerson’s of the world in shallow leagues.

  4. Nimrod says:
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    Great read and more insight for 2015. Keep up the good work.

  5. JeF With 1 F says:
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    I had a happy little time reading this

    • Ante GALIC says:
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      @JeF With 1 F: JeF! If that’s really you where have you been since 1980, man! Just kidding!

      I’m going to start a Norm MacDonald quote of the day next season. What do you think?

      Like….’Ping pong was the only sport named after its inventor.’

      Cheers,
      Ante

      • JeF With 1 F says:
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        @Ante GALIC: Yup this is me…my close friends call me bob though not jef. Have at it with the quote…maybe ill retire the fact.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @JeF With 1 F: Ha, thanks! I tried to put in a few happy little clouds

  6. Gonzo_The_Great says:
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    “I actually owned Richards in that 15-team league I was talking about in Kershaw’s blurb, but only kept him for one start then dropped him after he was shelled (in perhaps the only start last year he wasn’t good). Oops! ”

    Hooray! I wasn’t the only one. I still won my league, but I felt like a boob all year from dropping him so quickly.

    I’m also impressed you got Teheran cheap. He went relatively early in my primary league this year. (Something like 5th round as I remember).

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Gonzo_The_Great: Yeah, I goofed that like a total boob myself… That is early for Teheran, surprised to hear that

  7. VinWins

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    But you’re a genius with pitchers, Grey. In 1 RCL I drafted and kept Kershaw, Cobb, and Cueto, and still finished with an ERA of 3.528.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @VinWins: Not sure how you could have even one of those and had a 3.50+ ERA… Who were your relievers? Joe Nathan and Rex Brothers?

      • VinWins

        VinWins says:
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        @Grey: Ha, I even had Dellin Betances, Mike Fiers, Phil Hughes, and Tyson Ross combine for a 2.23 ERA over 161 innings. I did have Reed give me 31 saves with a 4.40 ERA.

        I just streamed everybody at the wrong time. Alvarez, deGrom, Locke, Porcello, McHugh, Colon, Duffy – I always used them in their worst games.

        I drafted Kershaw on 1 other team and finished with a 2.84 ERA, so that’s where all my pitching luck was.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ah, gotcha… That is weird that you were able to stream that badly… Maybe weird’s not the right word…. Crappy luck, that’s for sure…

          • goodfold2 says:
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            @Grey: same luck i had with volquez, his end of season ERA is completely unbelievable by me, as i had him for 2 blowups (in more than one league)

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yup

  8. Matt says:
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    Followed your advice, won my 15 team roto league drafted one ace (Price) then didn’t draft pitchera til the late rounds (Kluber, Smyly, A.Wood, Richards) picked up Beckett and Shoemaker during the year while loading up on hitting at the draft. Great formula!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Matt: Very nice!

  9. Hawk says:
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    Good list. As a Yankee fan it pains me to see Phil Hughes succeed with Minnesota but the pitching was not the Yanks problems and I’m sure Hughes would have lined out into the shift too.

    Where did Colin McHugh and Yordano Ventura end up?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Hawk: The new park definitely didn’t hurt Hughes… McHugh is coming tomorrow

  10. Wake Up says:
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    “When a Bum shrugs, does the weight of the world roll off and make a thousand little worlds that run on the sweat of other pitchers?”

    This made me smile. (And reflect on how I’ve never had help from any other living being. Everything that I got is solely because of me. When I was 2 months old, I went out and found my own teet to suckle. I even named my rose tree, Alisa…)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Wake Up: Ha, is that a quote from Rand? I don’t know, haven’t read her books… Did you name your rose tree Alisa after Axl Rose?

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: I thought it was Alisa from LA…you know because she always has an open teet for players

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha

  11. Sky

    Sky says:
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    oooh, those Corey Kluber and Tyson Ross calls got me like:

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Sky: Hehe… Anderson Cooper said that when dogs look at you they’re hugging you with their eyes… Now, I think Ted is hugg9ing me when he really just wants to pee

      • Wake Up says:
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        @Grey: Have to give shout out to JB for Kluber too…he was in on him super early last year…before I even knew who he was…is that smart giant still around?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          He’s talk Magic Johnson juniors, who’s not so junior, and other fantasy basketball…

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          @Wake Up: For sure, him and I were on similar wavelengths on the Klubs around that time but you’re right, his post did come out on him last year. He does some of his own pitching scoring/rankings this year as well. I think Mondays? Good stuff.

          • Wake Up says:
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            @Sky: Dee Gordon!

            • Sky

              Sky says:
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              @Wake Up: Dee was the bee’s knees!

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        @Grey: I hug myself with my eyes every morning when I look into the mirror. Then I cross them so I can hug myself twice.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Sometimes I massage my legs with my eyes

          • JeF With 1 F says:
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            @Grey: those are giancarlos legs you have been massaging

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I derive more pleasure that way

          • Sky

            Sky says:
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            @Grey: I’ve actually undressed myself with my eyes a few times. It’s fine when you’re getting into the shower but makes for awkward dinner conversations while at a restaurant.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              That reminds me of the days I’d take a daiquiri in the shower with me so I could drink and clean…

              • Sky

                Sky says:
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                @Grey: multi-tasking is so underrated

                • J-FOH says:
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                  @Sky: I have never been browsing porn hub and been in wordpress at the same time.

                  *nods head to signal yes*

  12. Lville Jim says:
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    Gregg Jefferies, dudes rookie card was the shizz back in the day. Worked some card shows back then and people were always asking for it. Didn’t realize he played 14 years. Put up a nice year with Stl in 93, .342 avg .408 obp 16 hr and 46 sb. NY teams always seemed to have the overhyped prospects back then. Kevin Maas, Hensley Muelens, and David West come to mind.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Maas! He was was amazing for a second…

  13. Wake Up says:
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    “One more thing I’m gonna say right here…Someone once said I should dumb up a little bit…”

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha

  14. J-FOH says:
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    Zimmerman had 32 game starts this year and faced the top 4 teams for K rate 11 times.

    6 vs MIA
    3 vs ATL
    1 vs CHC
    1 vs HOU

    He also got the Mets (15th) 4 times who were at the top for 2/3 of the season and somehow managed to lower that towards the end. Mets note part two, he had a 2.13 ERA against in those 4 starts. Score for Zimmy! The Phillies (9th) 3 times and San Diego (6th) twice. Now thats 9 more starts. Were at 20 total.

    I bring this up for a few reasons.

    A) the NL East was a friggin poor hitting windmill factory that could power the east coast for years with all that generated wind.
    B) Does this completely explain his numbers, NO it doesn’t, but it doesn’t hurt him either.
    C) Yes, I have a C because I’m not you, I’m me. C what I did there?
    D) This is offseason yo’s and I can.

    As always I still like the NL west for arms, besides those trips to Coors.The NL East and the free swinging ways of those garbage teams is now on my radar and will help me decide on arms IF its close.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup, NL East is garbage too…And the Reds and Cubs in the NL Central… Actually all NL teams were terrible for hitting… Except the Rockies at home and Dodgers…

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: even the Dodgers went through god awful slumps this year as a team. I guess this whole parity thing is good for fantasy pitchers but not so good for the fun part of this game.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, but if you just look at hitting stats per team… There were only 4 NL teams in the top half of hitting (Dodgers, Rockies, Brewers and 4th is surprising)….

          • Wake Up says:
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            @Grey: And if you look at pitching stats for AL teams…there were only 4 teams with Starting pitcher-hit-homeruns during inter-league day-games…

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Well, yeah! Haha

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: and weren’t the Rockies in the bottom five on the road…I haven’t looked

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I’m sure they were or near that

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: I think Royce put that out there in his “somebody is worse than the Padres at something” stat series

                • royce! says:
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                  @J-FOH: I did! They were terrible! (by runs (last), but by OPS San Diego was worse).

  15. Baezaworldseries says:
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    Quick question. H2h points 12 TM keep 13 as long as you like. I was offered Soler and Bryant for Stanton. Is this fair? Is this close? I fear my fandom is clouding my judgment.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d want Stanton

      • Baezaworldseries says:
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        @Grey: Thanks for the unbiased 3rd party opinion. It is. Right? A completely outside the dresser drawer unbiased opinion?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          You heard from F, he’s not in this dresser drawer with me, that I know of…

          • JeF With 1 F says:
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            @Grey: I three drawers down

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Hey!

          • Baezaworldseries says:
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            @Grey: F seems a little stalkerish to me. His love for Stanton may stem from the deep feelings he has for you. No one was more upset about the Pirates post season loss than F. After you said you were hoping they would win. They became his favorite team. He seems clingy.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Stanton’s a top 5 baseball player right now, and he’s 24 years old…You don’t trade that in a keeper…

      • Wake Up says:
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        @Grey: Duh, does a bear shizz in the Castro?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          In a bar called the Manhole it does…

          • Wake Up says:
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            @Grey: “Does a bear shizz in The Manhole?”

            This is gonna become a thing!

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              It’s not already?

              • Wake Up says:
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                @Grey: dammit! is it?

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  I’m pretty sure…

    • And Now The Jon Lovitz Dancers! says:
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      @Baezaworldseries: other side should be giving more. bryant’s never even played at MLB level. all sorts of those guys end up fairly useless.

  16. Wake Up says:
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    I’m picturing Sky crossed-eyed, undressing, in front of a mirror…now I need a hug!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, why would he put that picture in our minds? Not cool!

      • Wake Up says:
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        @Sky: I was told yesterday that I looked like a homeless underwear model…it was one of the best/worst compliments/insults that I’ve received…@Grey:

    • JeF With 1 F says:
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      @Wake Up: I’m really good at spooning…would that help you feel better?

      • Wake Up says:
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        @JeF With 1 F: From Bob Ross…hell yeah…that would make me happy…

        • JeF With 1 F says:
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          @Wake Up: Good ill bring my pocket squirrel

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      @Grey: @Wake Up:

      I’m one of the few strippers in the world people pay to keep their clothes on. I’ll send you my paypal info shortly.

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        That would be an interesting strip club… Pay people to put their clothes back on… I think you’re onto something… Getting people in the door and keeping them there might be an issue…

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Grey: it’s called an indian reservation casino…have you seen the people that go to those places?

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            People strip there?

            • J-FOH says:
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              @Grey: for as drunk as they get you would think it would happen but the gambling distracts them from getting naked. I would think it’s assumed that if you put lots of drunk people in one place that nakedness is imminent.

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                Haha… Large groups of drunk people = nakedness. That’s your bumper sticker.

                • J-FOH says:
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                  @Grey: spring break is my wheel house for sales.

  17. Coolwhip

    Todd25 says:
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    Sup Grey,
    Re: Jon Lester “The reason then and the reason that it continued is he abandoned a changeup that wasn’t working. Why it took him three years to realize that? Your guess = my guess.”

    John Farrell. He’s a completely different pitcher without him.
    Lester under Farrell for full season: 3.21 era, k/9 ~8.5 (3 years of 9+)
    Lester without Farrell: 4.14 era, k/9 ~7.8
    Years of biggest improvement was first full year with Farrell after rookie callup, and then last year when Farrell came back as manager.

    cust kayin’.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Guess Farrell was calling for him to work in the change…

      • Coolwhip

        Todd25 says:
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        @Grey: I’d need to look an pitching graphs but my guess is Farrell was guiding him to use change less frequently and more of a surprise pitch to catch batters sitting fastball. and when he was gone Lester felt like he wanted/needed to use it more than was effective. diminishing returns you might say.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Gotcha

          • Coolwhip

            Todd25 says:
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            @Grey: I found it! Lester threw the change 2.7% this year compared to 11.8 and 12.3% the previous years (along with a change in sinker too). And inversely threw the Cutter 24.9% compared to 13.3 and 16.1%. these splits also hold true for before Farrell left. Thats the Farrell difference.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Nice!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha… Why didn’t you embed the photo?

      • JeF With 1 F says:
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        @Grey: that’s a sore subject around here

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha, apparently!

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: wordpress access if I can answer comments in wordpress then i can embed

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Oh yeah

    • Kid A says:
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      @J-FOH:

      Who loses in a Towel Poncho Bandido VS. Carpet Jedi showdown?

      The one with the longer and more hideous chin-beard?

      • Wake Up says:
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        @Kid A: Ah…duh…everyone wins in that showdown…ever e one!

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Wake Up: Thanks….I think

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Kid A: The beard has been reduced down significantly. Of all the marks guru left on this site, wrapping me in a wool blanket will be his legacy.

        Did you get my e-mail about the vaping?

  18. KB says:
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    I like both roto and daily H2H. I hate weekly H2H where your player gets hurt on Monday and you have no 2B or whatever the rest of the week. But overall daily H2H has a ton of strategy to it and not sure why the format gets so much hate. Sure, there is no guarantee that the best team wins the championship in the format, but there is no guarantee in most games or sports (casual or professional) that the better team/player will win…. I would still bet that more often than not the #1 or #2 seed in H2H still wins more than the #5 or #6.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, sucks in roto or H2H when you have a weekly league and an injury… Baseball is about grinding through the 162 game season, that’s roto… H2H matches teams up for the championship at the end of September when a ton of players are sitting because their teams are going to the real playoffs..

      • KB says:
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        @Grey: That is true. It would probably be better for H2H if the playoffs ended sometime between September 1st or 15th, similar to most Fantasy Football leagues ending Week 16 instead of 17.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, that could help…

  19. gobiggreen says:
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    Is Jacob DeGrom a good sell high candidate in a keeper league this offseason? For all accounts it seems like he was playing above his abilities so I’ve all but convinced myself of this.

    Great write-up. The Kluber ranking made me feel better about sending Teheran out of town earlier this season for sure.

    • JeF With 1 F says:
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      @gobiggreen: Id keep him…but that also depends what you can get for him

    • JeF With 1 F says:
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      @gobiggreen: do you keep your whole team…because otherwise hes not a keeper

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Depends what you can get, he does seem likely to come down a bit from last year…

  20. booya says:
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    Pick two for next year: Heaney, Fiers, Paxton

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Heaney, Paxton

  21. booya says:
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    Where do you think you’ll have Dickerson ranked next preseason for outfielders?

    Thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not sure yet

      • booya says:
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        @Grey: Like top 30ish? top 40? Any guess?

    • booya says:
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      @booya: Like top 30ish? top 40? Any guess?

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Top 40 definitely…

  22. gareth says:
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    “Pitching is so deep……..”

  23. gareth says:
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    Would you go as far as to grab a Kimbrel / Aroldis / Holland elite closer over an “Ace” in the rcl draft?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nah… You need bats… What’s this? G2?

      • gareth says:
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        @Grey: Oh Ok. So take a hunter pence over a Jordan zimmerman in the 4th for example.

        What I meant was, in the broader sense – if you had to take either kimbrel or Jordan zimmerman for example – would you go reliever over starter?

        It just seems that there are less elite relievers than there are elite starting pitchers, so grabbing one of those top 5 closers over an ace would be a better move.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Kimbrel and Zimmermann is a toss up… In the RCL, Kimbrel would make a bit more sense…

          • gareth says:
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            @Grey: Yeah I found that in the rcl this year. Closers and the acquisition of them was a constant battle. Having an elite one with an excellent k-rate, regular clean saves and stingy run prevention was pure Gold.

            For every Zimmerman, you could Frankenstein a McHugh, roark, arrieta & Degrom pitching monster.

            When folks are speculating on Putnam/Petricka for half a year, or running to the wire to grab the fill in Padres closer once Benoit goes down (twice), then you appreciate the likes of owning a Holland, Kimbrel, Kenley or Aroldis all the more.
            (I didn’t own any of those 4 this year. *sigh*)

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, but it is SAGNOF, and you can get cheap saves too…

              • gareth says:
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                @Grey: You can, but it can get very competitive, especially when you have more than a few closer speculators and wire rushers in you league.

                The rcl I was in had about five of these types plus Kid A (who was an expert at this), so the chances of grabbing ANY available closer options in time was a crapshoot, usually a losing one.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  You would need to speculate better, so you’re not scrambling…. Or draft better Donkeycorns…

                  • gareth says:
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                    @Grey: true on the improved speculating. I did ok. Held on to benoit all year as I felt street would be traded. Grabbed Wade Davis early. Actually was first to grab Feliz once Soria was traded.

                    KID A on the other hand grabbed K-Rod, Santiago, Betances, Doolittle, Britton to name but a few and actually used some of his hoard to trade for kluber and kazmir around the all star break.

                    His offense was elite too. I don’t think he even drafted a starter. I actually learned alot from being in a league with him this year.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      You beat him in the master standings, I’d say you did all right.

                  • J-FOH

                    J-FOH says:
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                    @Grey: you might confuse people with that lost term

                    *shakes fist in Smokey’s direction*

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      It’s up to us to keep it alive…

                  • J-FOH

                    J-FOH says:
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                    @Grey: so we have to start a grassroots movement to bring back one of the greatest terms in Razzball history?… because Smokey doesn’t want to use it anymore. If Jersey was only closer, I’d throw him in the street in front of his house and yell at him to get off my lawn.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      If he had any distance, I’d think he’d come to an easy conclusion that Donkeycorn is better than Marry.

                  • J-FOH

                    J-FOH says:
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                    @Grey: I need to recruit commenters to harass him every week til he changes it back.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yup

                    • And Now The Jon Lovitz Dancers! says:
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                      @J-FOH: there already were those, but they were only there for censorship reasons, and other fear of word type feelings.

  24. gareth says:
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    My catchphrase is now officially dead. I get it. It got old and some found it annoying.

    I will now experiment with new ones. Feedback welcome.

    Kitty Pow Wow!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha… I like it!

    • JeF With 1 F says:
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      @gareth: How bout “Pussy Lover”

      • gareth says:
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        @JeF With 1 F: Too Coarse.

        Jeff with one Fanny.

      • gareth says:
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        @JeF With 1 F: To clarify, that would be the British use of the word Fanny.

        Huge difference. Better insult.

        • JeF With 1 F says:
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          @gareth: Ha Ha

    • Wake Up says:
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      @gareth: couldn’t you just call it your catphrase?

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Haha

      • gareth says:
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        @Wake Up: nice.

      • gareth says:
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        @Wake Up: WU4!

    • And Now The Jon Lovitz Dancers! says:
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      @gareth: those that verbally showed up to be harbingers of annoyance were worse, and their annoyance and until now attempted but failed comeuppance were worth watching.

  25. JeF With 1 F says:
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    G3!!!

  26. JeF With 1 F says:
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    For some reason when i read back my posts now i read them in a soft soothing voice

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      The one F is for soofing…

      • JeF With 1 F says:
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        @Grey: Ha Ha

  27. FISH SWIM! says:
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    In late April, I traded Kluber for Christian Yelich in a 12 team roto keeper league (5 keepers). I’ve been ashamed to admit it to anyone outside the league. (How was I supposed to know!?!) I needed to tell someone. I feel better now. It could have been worse; I needed runs, Yelich ain’t too shabby, and I almost traded Kluber for Raf Soriano. Still, I’ve been steadily libating on cheap whiskey for a good six months. It’s … it’s actually kind of impressive.

    I gots to go change my unds.

    SOMEBODY SAY SOMETHING!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha… It’s not that bad… Stay where you are and someone will come to roof to help you down…

      • FISH SWIM! says:
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        Can they bring more whiskey?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yes, just hold tight!

  28. gareth says:
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    Can I just say I’ve always enjoyed Grey’s amused responses. It’s like a grading system for comments attempting humor.

    Ha
    HA
    Haha
    Ha!
    Hehe

    I’m sure I’ve missed some……

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      The granddaddy of them all HA!

      • gareth says:
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        @JeF With 1 F: @Grey: Passed down from generation to generation of Albright’s I’m sure.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yup!

      • Wake Up says:
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        @Grey: I’m guessing that he’s never saw that one before…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Prolly

          • Wake Up says:
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            @Grey: HA!

            • gareth says:
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              @Wake Up: Ha

  29. gareth says:
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    Do you have a link to the master standings? I haven’t seen that yet.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Oy… It was in every RCL roundup… Go to the top right under dropdown…

      • gareth says:
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        @Grey: Ok. Got it. I meant i hadnt seen the final standings yet. I had previously been checking the rcl round up every week. Just being lazy.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Gotcha

  30. Mike

    Mike says:
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    I really like JeF’s new avatar.

    True story…my mom used to put Bob Ross on to “calm me down”. My favorite part was when he cleaned his brush.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha… I’ve seen you answer dozens of catcher questions so I’d say she did a good job!

      • Mike

        Mike says:
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        ha! truth

    • JeF With 1 F says:
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      @Mike: Thanks mike…funny how everyone knows this guy that used to paint on PBS..was he that good? …or was TV that bad back then…either way he sucked me in all of the time with his happy little trees

  31. gareth says:
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    My version of Bob Ross in the uk was a guy called Tony Hart. A True English gentleman and talented Artist, who’s tv show also featured a beloved claymation character called Morph.
    Gumby and Pokey would be a US comparison to that style and popularity.

    • And Now The Jon Lovitz Dancers! says:
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      @gareth: i thought those were wallace and gromit.

  32. gareth says:
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    Friedman to the Dodgers. Money AND Smarts? Quite the winning combination.

    First line of business – telling the owners not to re-signing Hanley “I don’t feel like playing today” Ramirez.

    Second line of business – do the cartoony “eyes popping back and forth out of their sockets” when he seen the budget and serious amount of money he has to work with in L.A.

    Also – “Wait, there are actually people in the balpark to watch games?”

    • J-FOH

      J-FOH says:
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      @gareth: the people are there between the 4th and 7th innings and usually stuck in line to by something way over priced.

      A lot of money will be coming off the books soon. That trade with the Red So absorbed a lot of money. They will most likely have to pay someone to take Ethier

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Lambda

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, after the third inning and before the 7th…

      • SteveNZ says:
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        @Grey: Sounds familiar (emoticon)

        • J-FOH

          J-FOH says:
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          @SteveNZ: he had to work, don’t ruin a beautiful Razzball moment

          • SteveNZ says:
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            @J-FOH: Jeez, I know. Nothing could spoil that moment!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Hey, I had to write a roundup!

          • SteveNZ says:
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            @Grey: The one where you mentioned me?

            What a roundup it was. One of your finest.

            • J-FOH

              J-FOH says:
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              @SteveNZ: I’ve mentioned you like three times. sheesh!

              • SteveNZ says:
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                @J-FOH: Can’t have you thinking I’m *too* nice.

                • J-FOH

                  J-FOH says:
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                  @SteveNZ: that shirt you got me looks like i’m promoting tickets to the gun show

                  • SteveNZ says:
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                    @J-FOH: Now that I look at it, it does kinda look like the little logo man is using the trash can as cover in a shootout.

                    How does it fit?

                    • J-FOH

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                      @SteveNZ: see above comment, which i just realized you might not get. The arms are really tight.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Ha, thanks! I didn’t type any of it with my fingers, just with my cascading tears…

          • J-FOH

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            @Grey: Steve was a little lost after you left, thank god his brotha from anotha continent was there for support

            • SteveNZ says:
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              @J-FOH: I had trouble seeing the game due to the tears at Grey’s departure lateness of the hour.

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                I cried all the way home, like the kid from Last American Virgin!

                • J-FOH

                  J-FOH says:
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                  @Grey: damn, I almost did a LAV analogy earlier with Jay Bruce

                  • Grey

                    Grey says:
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                    Hehe

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Where’s royce! now? SteveNZ returned and royce! disappeared, do I sense a family problem?

              • SteveNZ says:
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                @Grey: He must be still on a bender after his H2H win. Maybe the beer I brought over for him was too much to handle.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Probably… BTW, reading The Making of the Atomic Bomb. Pretty excellent (though a tad dense; or maybe I’m the dense one)….

                  • SteveNZ says:
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                    @Grey: Sounds good – will have to check it out. Haven’t read anything notable for a while actually.

                    Did some old-school movie watching between London and Seoul – The Sting. What a combo those two guys were.

                    • Grey

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                      Yeah, solid flick… There’s a great new movie coming out called Whiplash, saw it last week at a screening, was phenomenal… No idea when it’ll come out by you or on iTunes, but keep it in mind when it does…

                  • SteveNZ says:
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                    @Grey: Will do – thanks!

                • royce! says:
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                  @SteveNZ: Ha! The commissioner of that h2h league apparently placed my winnings on the Royals winning the WS…so far, so good!

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Oh, nice!

              • royce! says:
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                @Grey: I’m here…sorry I’m late. My phone broke and in order to fix it, they had to install the new iphone ios, so was busy making autocomplete poetry. I might only use its suggestions for a few days, just to see if I or anyone notices…

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Ugh, I hate that the new update doesn’t autocorrect like the old one… It took me so long to teach it schmohawk…

                  • royce! says:
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                    @Grey: Does it not autocomplete? By which I mean that in text at least, when I write a word, in a row below the text, it suggests three words. Just now, I started to write “schm” and it suggested “‘schm,'” “Schmohawks,” and “Schmos.” So it must have already learned it from stuff I wrote a while ago, bc I don’t recall using the word schmohawks in anything since updating the ios.

                    The suggested words thing is actually really distracting and I think I might turn it off.

                    • Grey

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                      I wonder if it saw the text I wrote and was feeding off of that…Like I’m teaching your autocomplete… I turned off the suggestions, they were annoying me… Now, I’ll type things as simple as Giancarlo and get Cola Carlos, and I don’t even know what that means!

                    • royce! says:
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                      @royce!: Coca Carlos! That dude who came out of nowhere to steal a ton of bases, but no one could stand because he wouldn’t stop talking and grinding his teeth?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      The endless pee breaks really flustered the pitchers too.

  33. Pine Tar Incident says:
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    Grey-
    Re: your newfound love for Sale. I’ve got to keep two of the following in a 12 team head-to-head (no rounds or inflation): Dee Gordon, Jose Reyes, Yu Darvish, Chris Sale, Pujols, Alex Cobb, Alex Wood.

    Given the depth at pitching I wouldn’t want to keep more than 1 (leaning Gordon right now). Would you rather have Darvish or Sale? Or is that keeper strategy all messed up anyway? Thanks!

    • Grey

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      Darvish

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @Grey: what’s the reasoning on that? sale is younger, and we can’t really say he’s more injurable than darvish anymore.

        • Grey

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          Darvish has had huge, insane years… It’s close to a toss up though

          • Pine Tar Incident says:
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            @Grey: Thanks, Grey. Both seem like they could get Tommy John any day (could be said about any pitcher, I guess, which is why we wait). Let’s go (peasant) Royals!

            • Grey

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              Royals!

  34. J-FOH

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    I just finished Print the Legend. The gun guy has got to go. Somebody needs to stomp the living anarchy out of his ass.

    • Grey

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      He reminded me of me putting a thorn in Berry’s side… Before me, everyone took Berry as gospel, now he’s quit baseball… Enjoyed that movie, btw…Very solid…

      • J-FOH

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        @Grey: the guy Brie? who wanted to be Steve Jobs was so universally hated too.

        Good flick, baby’s mama liked it too. Now I want a 3D printer!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, baby mama wants a 3D printer to replace you… Yeah, Brie was wack as hell…

          • J-FOH

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            @Grey: no argument from her

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Haha

        • goodfold2 says:
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          @J-FOH: the steve jobs who invented jobs? (stolen from ali-g)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nice!

      • SwaggerJackers says:
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        @Grey: Unfortunately I dropped him after about a month. *sad trumbo*

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha, dah!

  35. OT says:
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    posted a 2.92 ERA, 1st place in wins and 2nd place in whip with
    #17,19,21,22, 25,27,30,31

    spent around $40 combined on them, when you take out Cliff Lee

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup, there ya go

  36. J-FOH

    J-FOH says:
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    I want to mute the TV every time Gwen talks.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I like how she stole someone yesterday because she liked his hair

      • J-FOH

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        @Grey: then she told the raggae guy to sing the Hall and Oats jam in a raggae style when he obviously should of sang it straight. He has the range to pull it off. She’s a moron

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          She’s done after this season, thankfully… I was surprised the young gay kid didn’t advance, I thought he was better than that girl…

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: she has better shot of advancing farther.

            • JeF With 1 F says:
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              @Grey: @J-FOH: I have a hard time listening to Pharrell…i dont typically watch the voice but you two have made me tune in.

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                Pharrell’s actually decent, even if everything is melodic this, melodic that… His hats goof me out…

                • J-FOH says:
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                  @Grey: Pharrel is the Voice’s Wake Up….I love him on there.

                  • Grey

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                    Yeah, I honestly didn’t think I’d like Pharrell, but he’s proven himself to be unintentionally funny in the best of ways…

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @Grey: I had no expectations of him coming in and I have enjoyed him not being like the others….and I love his hats

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Why?

              • JeF With 1 F says:
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                @Grey: Cant really pin point it just something about him annoys me

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  I hear ya, that’s how I am with Daniel Murphy…

                  • JeF With 1 F says:
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                    @Grey: ha ha …for the most part all judges on these types of shows are annoying.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      The most annoying judges have become Top Chef’s judges… Which returns tonight — what WHAT!

                    • jef with 1 f says:
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                      @JeF With 1 F: imnlike you I watch mostly reality tv…but my favorite show of all time is The Office please tell me you watched that

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Only watched the British one, never the American one… I’ve been meaning to though!

                    • JeF With 1 F says:
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                      @JeF With 1 F: you NEED to watch it…you will never look at steve carell as anything other then his character on that show…Michael Scott….Its the only tv show that i can watch over and over and still laugh at.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      It’s on the list… Watching all of Deadwood right now, which is amazing so far, but am only 4 episodes in…

                    • JeF With 1 F says:
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                      @JeF With 1 F: Yea i used to watch deadwood when it came out…dont remember much from it but Al Swearengen was the shizz.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, he’s been amazing so far, really enjoying it… Everyone really in the cast…

                  • JeF With 1 F says:
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                    @Grey: Do you watch Big Brother

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I haven’t watched it since the first season way back…

                    • JeF With 1 F says:
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                      @JeF With 1 F: One of my favorites

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I was at a party recently and was talking to someone and couldn’t place who it was and she friended me on Facebook…Turned out she was Brittany Petros from BB1… Ha…

                    • jef with 1 f says:
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                      @JeF With 1 F: Ha that’s awesome

  37. J-FOH says:
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    Grey: Just and FYI, my football article this week is titled “Quick is the Name”

  38. Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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    he’s not small, but he is petit! there needs to be a song that goes along with this.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha… I like that idea…

      • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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        @Grey:
        he’s not small, but he’s petit….
        ….he’s not feared, yet he has a beard…
        do do DO
        bah bah bah
        he’s got gas, gon embarrass their ass
        of those hitters, soon to be golf playin’ quitters
        do do DO

  39. goodfold2 says:
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    wong gonna cost too much next year, not as bad as how much kipnis this year, but other than keepers/dynasty i doubt any of us have him here next year (including you Grey with the love). that many homers/doubles/triple in playoffs won’t be forgotten by enough drafters. Good thing I left myself with him as starter at end of this year in some dynasties. In fact in those, i might get sick trade value come march.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Hard to say how much playoffs stuff affects sometimes… I bet he’s not that overpriced…

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @Grey: not like kipnis was certainly, he’s probably moved up more than 80 spots from what he was 10 or so days ago, if not more. (no way to prove this of course)

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