Here’s what I said two years ago, “We’re gonna find out if the top 20 shortstops are as Ken Bonerific as the top 20 2nd basemen.  Hint:  they are.  Damn, I gotta work on building suspense.  That hint pretty much gives the whole kit away and tacks the kaboodle onto its back as it’s walking out the door.  Goodbye, kit and kaboodle, I just gave you away for nothing.”  And that’s me quoting me!  Then last year, the shortstops collapsed like every piece of furniture you’ve ever put together from Ikea.  This year?  Rebound, baby!  Without further Machado, to recap, this final ranking is from our Fantasy Baseball Player Rater with my comments.  The Player Rater allows me to be impartial while looking at how I ranked them in the preseason.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 shortstops for 2018 fantasy baseball and how they compare to where I originally ranked them:

1. Francisco Lindor – I nailed Lindor six ways to Sunday and seven ways to Monday and seven and a half ways to Muesday and eight ways–Okay, you get the point.  My Lindor projections were conservative, but I ranked him higher than anyone I saw, and, when ranking him, I wrote, “Last year Lindor went 33/15/.273 and now he’s 24 years old.  Yup, no place for him to go.  Only down.  He’s done.  Put a fork in him.  Not in his eye, you sicko.  Poke the fork in his thigh or something.  I mean, you’re trying to hurt him but not seriously injure the guy.  Glad the Lindor party is over, makes that easy.  So, how was your winter?  Get anything good for Christmas?  Make any new friends?  File any sexual assault charges?  WAIT A SECOND!  The Lindor party is not over!  Holy crap, this is the biggest comeback since Joey Fatone’s star redefining tour de force on Dancing with the Stars!  Wow, Lindor was over for five even six sentences, and then, bam, right back.  Crazy.  Honestly, I can’t even figure out why Lindor’s being under-drafted in leagues I’ve seen so far.  He’s a top 12 player if I’ve ever seen one.  And, let me tell you, you old so-and-so, I’ve seen one!  His HR/FB% was 14%, far from ridiculous.  He didn’t hit his homers very far (397 feet on average), but he upped his fly balls and hard contact.  He also pulls a decent amount and, if you’ve ever watched him, he can Major Lazer a baseball just over any fence.  Maybe his power comes down to 27 HRs, but he’s more of a 15-20 steal guy vs. a 10-15 steal guy.”  And that’s me quoting me!  So, I not only foresaw Lindor would be terrific, but also saw that he was being way under-drafted.  At this point, that seems obvious.  It was not obvious last January.  For what it’s Werth, ESPN ranked him 20th overall vs. my 11th.  Preseason Rank #2, 2018 Projections: 112/27/81/.294/17 in 601 ABs, Final Numbers:  129/38/92/.277/25 in 661 ABs

2. Trevor Story – Something I didn’t mention a ton during the season, but I wrote a Trevor Story sleeper back in December.  Here’s the key takeaway, “(Story) missed sixty games the previous year, and maybe he was rusty in the 1st half of last year, that would also explain his better 2nd half.  Finally, as he stopped hitting everything in the air, his Hard Contact percentage went from 31% to 49%.  49% would’ve been the best Hard Contact rate in the entire major leagues, to give you an idea how well he was seeing the ball in the 2nd half.  Story was a tale of two halfs, and the worst of times and the best of times, until he started hitting the Dickens out of the ball.  All of this is positive, and I haven’t even mentioned Coors, except in passing.  Oh my God, Coors passed away?!  Shut up, Random Italicized Voice.  This, my over-the-internet friends, is a sleeper.”  And that’s me quoting me!  Of Coors, I never saw 27 steals coming from Story.  What a lovely narrative twist.  Preseason Rank #11, 2018 Projections: 78/31/89/.247/8 in 575 ABs, Final Numbers:  87/36/107/.291/27 in 594 ABs

3. Javier Baez – Went over in the 2nd basemen recap.

4. Manny Machado – For those that aren’t students of rap history, you can’t mess with anyone with a monetary illusion in their name:  Chamillionaire, 50 Cent, Money B, Eddie Money.  This is why I’m renaming this shortstop, Money Muchado.  It was super random that Money Muchado wasn’t being drafted higher last year, maybe people don’t like guys with 40-homer power and 15-steal speed as much as me.  Apizzarently not, I ranked him 8th overall last year which was highest for any ‘pert.  Yahoo ranked him 20th.  Oops upside your head!  Preseason rank #2 for 3rd basemen, 2018 Projections: 103/36/93/.288/9 in 617 ABs, Final Numbers: 84/37/107/.297/14 in 632 ABs

5. Trea Turner – Forcing myself to make this about 2018 vs. 2019, but I already know I’m going to own Turner in literally every league next year.  Here’s what everyone else does:  what did this player do last year?  Okay, will now rank him.  At Razzball (Rudy does this too), what is the player going to do for the year we’re ranking him for?  Things can be illuminated by what a player just did, which is why I’m pointing out their past year, but it’s about what a player will do vs. just did.  Except for the recaps.  Turner had a low BABIP year, which hurt his average.  If he has a high BABIP (something he has less control over), he’s an MVP candidate.  Seriously, 20/40/.290 vs. 20/40/.270 is the difference between disappointment and MVP because the stakes are so high for Turner and De La Soul.  By the way, member when he couldn’t stay healthy for a full season?  He just played in 162 games.  Preseason Rank #1, 2018 Projections: 110/16/63/.302/47 in 581 ABs, Final Numbers:  103/19/73/.271/43 in 664 ABs

6. Alex Bregman – As I will say below with Didi, it’s disingenuous to say I saw this year coming with Bregman.  But I will try!  My projections are actually damn close, except for runs and RBIs and you can’t account for those without serious witchcraft, and I’m not getting burned at a stake for you people.  Preseason Rank #4, 2018 Projections: 98/25/79/.281/14 in 583 ABs, Final Numbers:  105/31/103/.286/10 in 594 ABs

7. Didi Gregorius – As right as I was with Lindor, Story, Tim Anderson, Machado and others, I whiffed on Didi (and Bregman).  Not only buried Didi in my rankings, but didn’t want him.  Didin’t?  Yes, that is right.  Preseason Rank #21, 2018 Projections: 65/19/78/.279/3 in 552 ABs, Final Numbers: 89/27/86/.268/10 in 504 ABs

8. Xander Bogaerts – Only two homers off his career high in homers, but his batted ball profile is saying all the right things.  His ground balls went down (not literally), his fly balls went up (literally) and his line drives are still solid (no dur).  He is a month-long hot streak with power from being Bregman.  Bregaerts?  Sure, keep that in mind when Bregman is going in the top 12 next year and Bogaerts is going around top 40.    Preseason Rank #8, 2018 Projections: 88/18/94/.283/14 in 614 ABs, Final Numbers:  72/23/103/.288/8 in 513 ABs

9. Jean Segura – In the one league I won, I owned Segura (and Peraza), and there were weeks I didn’t even start Segura, especially in the 2nd half when he hit three homers and stole six bags.  The runs were there, but playing a guy for runs is like treating a bottle of water like it’s wine.  You swishing water around in your mouth?  That’s Segura.  Preseason Rank #7, 2018 Projections: 97/14/50/.291/26 in 591 ABs, Final Numbers:  91/10/63/.304/20 in 586 ABs

10. Jose Peraza – Went over in the 2nd basemen recap.

11. Tim Anderson – This was Steve Miller watching Anderson in the 2nd half, “Tim keeps on slippin’…slippin’…slippin’…with his fantasy value.”  Anderson was definitely hoisted by his 1st half, then the 2nd half was the petard.  Shucks, millennials are telling me I can’t say the word petard anymore.  Damn!  As mentioned many times before about Tim, I called him a sleeper, due to his power and speed, and it continues to baffle me why more people don’t realize if a guy can steal bases and homer, it’s good.  Seems pretty straightforward.  Preseason Rank #10, 2018 Projections: 83/21/68/.260/25 in 593 ABs, Final Numbers:  77/20/64/.240/26 in 567 ABs

12. Eduardo Escobar – Went over in the 2nd basemen recap.

13. Jurickson Profar – Never fully trusted Profar this year.  The Jurickson store called and they said they’re out of me.  One small note on Profar that will undercut everything about this ranking.  He was not the 13th best shortstop if you didn’t own him for the entire season, which very few of you will be able to claim.  Okay, all of you can claim it, because no one’s checking that shizz, but you’re lying.  Preseason Rank #38, 2018 Projections: 39/6/30/.242/4 in 276 ABs, Final Numbers: 82/20/77/.254/10 in 524 ABs

14. Marcus Semien – Only made one trade this year, I traded Brad Boxberger for Tanaka and Semien.  Tanaka was decent in the 2nd half, but absolutely destroyed me for the better part of two months and Semien was not the extra shot you would think.  Hey now!  Then again, Boxberger was priceless by the end of the year, as in I wouldn’t give you any price for him.  Preseason Rank #27, 2018 Projections: 64/23/72/.241/10 in 508 ABs, Final Numbers:  89/15/70/.255/14 in 632 ABs

15. Andrelton Simmons – When someone says Andrelton is out of this world, they’re more talking about his birthplace.  Preseason Rank #22, 2018 Projections: 62/15/69/.282/14 in 561 ABs, Final Numbers:  68/11/75/.292/10 in 554 ABs

16. Gleyber Torres – Went over in the 2nd basemen recap.

17. Chris Taylor – Went over in the 2nd basemen recap.

18. Amed Rosario – If the Mets weren’t such dinks, Amed would’ve led off the entire year, and he would’ve ranked about seven spots higher — hey, just like in his lineup!  I have no faith in the Mets putting it together that when Amed hit leadoff, the Mets went from the 28th best offense in the 1st half to the 12th best in 2nd half.  Can you tell I’m already excited for Rosario for 2019?  It’s obvious, isn’t it?  Amed to that!  Preseason Rank #16, 2018 Projections: 61/12/67/.262/20 in 553 ABs, Final Numbers:  76/9/51/.256/24 in 554 ABs

19. Asdrubal Cabrera – Went over in the 2nd basemen recap.

20. Johan Camargo – Stereotypical guy who does okay in spurts — sounds like Semien — but is really a life raft in Only leagues.  Luckily, Camargo shook out of his early season platoon with Lane Adams.  Though, the loss of Camargo/Adams still upsets Wade Boggs.  Preseason Rank #46, 2018 Projections: 51/9/60/.254/1 in 502 ABs, Final Numbers:  63/19/76/.272/1 in 464 ABs

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SwaggerJackers
SwaggerJackers
3 years ago

@Grey: Peraza was a fun exercise of adding/dropping repeatedly for the first two months. I’m glad I gave in and just held him in one league.

I’m bored, so let’s talk keepers.

10 Team Roto Daily League
Keepers can be kept indefinitely with no penalty. Please pick 7:

Lindor
JD Mart
Khris Davis
Hoskins
Bryant
Juan Soto
Verlander
Snell
Bauer
Eddie Rosario

SwaggerJackers
SwaggerJackers
Reply to  Grey
3 years ago

@Grey: It’s a good problem to have, but a problem nonetheless.

I think Rosario is the easy dump but after that there are tons of different directions to go.

I love the upside of Hoskins in OBP formats but since this is AVG, I guess he’s not that much of a standout.

The 1-2 power punch of JD Mart and Khris was really nice this season.

Bryant was a disappointment but he’s still only 26 and on a good team.

Verlander is so old but just keeps rolling.

As a Clevelander, I’ll never truly be sold on Bauer.

fishfanuk
fishfanuk
3 years ago

Since the dawn of time I’ve just had no luck at ss, gun shy I spent many years with the comfortable reliability of aybar in 2015 I went a year early on Jose Ramirez. 2018 brings Anderson and finally I hit pay dirt! Then his 2nd half happens. He’s a keeper for me…14 teams 12 keepers. But how worried should I be with the 2nd half?

Tommy Herr
Tommy Herr
3 years ago

Not sure how to post a question aside from the message board here so this is mostly unrelated. I know u like the cheap pitching staff and more batter heavy auction. I tend to agree. In my nl only keeper i have tyler mahle, zack eflin, joey luchessi, austin gomber and antonio senzatella at a combined salary of $12/ 260 who of those do u like to A) make their opening day rotations and B) be good.

Tommy Herr
Tommy Herr
Reply to  Grey
3 years ago

@Grey: i get to keep up to 14 players and i have all of those guys as options. Also jon gray at $18, jarsd eikhoff $3. My name actually is Tommy Herr. Born in 1984.

Tommy Herr
Tommy Herr
Reply to  Grey
3 years ago

@Grey: thanks :)

Dave D
Dave D
Reply to  Grey
3 years ago

@Grey:

My real name is Biff Pocoroba.

Dave D
Dave D
Reply to  Grey
3 years ago

@Grey:

That’s a good one too. I think Dick Tidrow would agree.

Dave D
Dave D
Reply to  Dave D
3 years ago

@Dave D:

Btw, Speaking of early 80s Cardinals, I wonder if this Tommy Herr knows “The Mad Hungarian”. He was my favorite closer as a kid.

Tommy Herr
Tommy Herr
3 years ago

Hello, i have camargo in my nl only keeper for $5 /260. Assuming health i feel like he can be a 25+ homer .285 guy. Do u have much worry about reilly or another move for a star 3b like donaldson ect? Just realizing this is a SS ranking? I think swanson plays SS for atlanta but i realize camargo is elligable.

Tommy Herr
Tommy Herr
Reply to  Tommy Herr
3 years ago

@Tommy Herr: side note: how abiut the fantasy team name: Harold and Camargo to whitecastle ?

Tommy Herr
Tommy Herr
Reply to  Grey
3 years ago

@Grey: beauty.

Herbert Stencil
Herbert Stencil
3 years ago

Hi Grey,

Keeper question. 9×9 league (5×5 + BB, OPS, XBH, H and BAA, INNdGS, L, QS/GS). So emphasis on getting on base and slugging, as well as quality pitching. Per your long-running advice, I punt C, never draft top SP, scrape the barrel on closers.

Thanks as always,
Herbert

12 teams, 23 person roster (fully flexible beyond the standard starting lineup). 3 keepers + 1 rookie, for +$5 on auction cost, two years beyond auction. Benchmark cost Trout went for $63.

Definite Keepers:
1. Jose Ramirez, $24, final keeper year.
2. Luis Severino, $10, final keeper year.

Then thinking:
3. Ronald Acuna (rookie), $31 and $36 in 2020. Figure this price is the floor return on value, all upside.

After that not clear, a few reasonable options:
(i) Francisco Lindor $47. Little savings, but locking in top quality at market or lower rates.
(ii) Jeff McNeil $5 (rookie). Like him a lot, but probably can get in auction for same or less.
Victor Robles $5 (rookie). Very tempting. He’ll likely go for same or more in auction, risky, but very high upside.
Kyle Freeland $5.  Ks are unexciting, but seems like very good value at this price. Trade?
Hyun-Jin Ryu $5.  Bargain if you think he would stay healthy. (So no then)
Miles Mikolas $8.  Again, Ks are unappealing, but still returned excellent value. Trade?

Randall Simon
Randall Simon
3 years ago

Hmm, I hope youre right about Trea Turner next year. It does make me feel better he had a low BABIP this year, hopefully a sign that he’ll be a little more lucky next year and hit closer to what he’s capable of.

Quick keeper league question for you: Would you rather have Yelich/Altuve/Soto or Trout/Merrifield?

Big Magoo
Big Magoo
3 years ago

What’s up, GA? How’s the fantasy offseason treating you?

Finished 1st, 2nd, and 3rd respectively in my three NFBC leagues this year. Probably could’ve won with that 2nd place team too if Severino and Paxton hadn’t gotten hurt/faded in the 2nd half. Didn’t get there via huge SS production though. Only had one elite producer on any of those teams (Lindor), and he was on the 3rd place squad. Go figure.

You were right on Baez. Give yourself a Horowitz. Basically got his best case scenario this year. His Adam Jones/Rougned Odor-esque approach scares the bejesus out of me though. He’s a hard pass for me where he’s likely to be drafted next year.

Rosario should be a nice 12/30 type of guy moving forward. I’m in on him. Mondesi will be an interesting player next year too. Could see him being drafted all over the board.

How’d your teams fare? Any early slow drafts or dynasty leagues on the horizon?

Big Magoo
Big Magoo
Reply to  Grey
3 years ago

@Grey: Nice on the NFBC result! A few small choices here and there (mostly on the pitching side) kept me just outside the overall prize money in two of my three leagues. Can’t win em all. Sounds like you were in the mix across the board though, which is always the main goal.

Hitting was smooth sailing across the board (got 59 out of a possible 60 pts in one league), so I’ve been spending more time on the pitching side this offseason. There are a couple of SPs that I’ve already circled as targets after digging in. One in particular is like Acuna was for me this year. I want to own him everywhere. And he’s someone who I’ve been critical of in the past. Never thought I’d be this high on him. Anyone like that jumping out for you yet?

Dave D
Dave D
Reply to  Grey
3 years ago

@Grey:

Spoken like a true pro. Sadly, as an Angels fan I concur on 1-5. Maybe a couple farm sleepers for DC next year though for late rounds if youre into SP rookies .

Big Magoo
Big Magoo
Reply to  Grey
3 years ago

@Grey: Haha, good tip. Didn’t own Richards this year though, if you can believe it. He was going about two rounds earlier than I was willing to pull the trigger. At least the Sciosciapath is finally gone.

I’ve always wanted to do the main event. Probably won’t jump in next year, but maybe soon after. Good luck if you decide to take the plunge.

Dave D
Dave D
Reply to  Big Magoo
3 years ago

@Big Magoo:

The problem with their pitching development goes much deeper than the Sciosciapath, their mechanics are taught and established in the minors.

Big Magoo
Big Magoo
Reply to  Dave D
3 years ago

@Dave D: Agreed that it’s more of a mechanical issue with their SPs. I just never liked how he managed the bullpen. Kind of a mess across the board during his tenure, especially over the last 6-7 years or so.

Dave D
Dave D
Reply to  Big Magoo
3 years ago

@Big Magoo:

Yeah, totally true, maybe even understated. I sill remember his blind loyalty using Percival and finally turning to K-Rod. He seemed to live RP with a high walk rate in recent years. Maybe he liked suspense in the 9th.

Juan
Juan
3 years ago

Gray,
I just traded Carpenter and Ray 4 Albies and K. Tuker in a keeper league. Thoughts?
Who has a higher upside Moncada or Albies – i have them both now.
I also have Donaldson – what kind of player can i get for him? OF wise. do you think hes washed up? maybe i can get a couple of draft picks

Juan
Juan
Reply to  Juan
3 years ago

@Juan:
We keep 10 players in this league. its 12 teams H2H.

Dave D
Dave D
3 years ago

SS has been a weird spot for me. I often draft two in my NFBC. This year I only drafted one after doing Turner with my first pick in 2017. He and Story, who was my second SS in 2016, are great when healthy which has been 67% of time. I’m not against them but for me my trust level is probably not going to be where their ADP’s are next year. I might go down the list for Seager or Correa if they are a value ADP. I dunno. I drafted T. Anderson as my only SS this year and went with two 2B’s this year and that worked out well.

Fine write-up, Greyson. Hows the off-season going? Sipping a piña colada with your tildaddy in Cancun yet?

Dave D
Dave D
Reply to  Grey
3 years ago

@Grey:

Nice! Sounds like fun. A well deserved vacation. Get a few waves for me!!!

Big Ticket
Big Ticket
3 years ago

Ten team standard roto and we get 4 keepers. I’m keeping Trout and Acuna, then have JDM, Machado, Turner (don’t ask how that happened, it was magical).

Anyhoo … I have an offer on the table of Betts for Machado and Turner. Should I take the deal and fill out keepers with Betts and JDM? Or would I be better off keeping all my young guys and bet that over the next 2-3 years I’m better off with Machado and Turner and let JDM go back into the player pool?

Malicious Phenoms
Malicious Phenoms
Reply to  Big Ticket
3 years ago

@Big Ticket:
I’d want Manny and Turner over Betts and JDM.

ChiCitySox23
ChiCitySox23
3 years ago

Correa a good buy-low candidate this offseason?

Dave D
Dave D
Reply to  ChiCitySox23
3 years ago

@ChiCitySox23:

Seems to me

jose
jose
3 years ago

A) I’ll second the Trea Turner sentiments. Drafted him in the first round. It was painful at times due only to expectations, but if that’s the floor, I’ll take it every year.

B) I looked up Didi’s season splits and couldn’t believe how consistent he was after May. I knew March/April he was on fire and that he fell off a cliff in May, but didn’t realize an eagle swooped down to catch him before he hit the ground and they glided together to the end of the season.

C)…

D) Bogaerts (and possible Betts or maybe just the whole Red Sox lineup) makes me wonder just how much a hitting coach matters for some players or teams. From what I gather, most players, especially the top guys, have their own hitting coaches and a team’s hitting coach can only go so far. But the Red Sox fired Chili Davis after a down 2017 that, from reports, saw their hitting profile sink (ie. groundballs/flyballs/etc., etc.). The Cubs promptly picked up Davis and had a similar experience. Davis is now out as the Cubs hitting coach. I know it’s digging deep, but that’s what the off season is for right? Any consideration at all? Maybe when coaches for high profile teams make a move? Maybe as a fifth tie breaker between two guys…haha

E) Peraza!

Count de Monetballl
Count de Monetballl
3 years ago

Thank goodness for SS this year, I drafted 3 of the top-10 (Machado – 2.10, Bregman – 5.1, and Segura 11.1 ). It was kinda nice that Segura got most of his value in the 1st half of the season as I mostly benched him in the 2nd half and played tilde in that DH slot. There is something to be said for players that get most of their seasonal value in one half… It will certainly be interesting to see where Story falls in next-years rankings…

Kingslayer
Kingslayer
3 years ago

Story had 88 runs not 87 #BoomRoasted

bigbear
bigbear
3 years ago

I’ll take Trea’s off year any time… Top shelf steals, top shelf runs, plus power, plus average. A top 20-25 floor for the next 3 years. With top 5 upside. Sounds like an easy first rounder to me.

You’re spot on with the fickleness of preseason rankings/drafters. I’m guilty of it. It’s easy. I’m lazy. Which is why I’m here making you rich and famous living in the glitz and glory of So. Cal!

Put those two together and Trea will be a second rounder next year… Arenado in the first and Trea in the second sounds doable! Let’s make it happen!

DonnieB
DonnieB
3 years ago

Hi Grey…which two would you keep next year out of: Anderson $9
Seager $10
Machado $50
Thanks!

bigbear
bigbear
Reply to  DonnieB
3 years ago

@DonnieB: Depends… Seager seems priced the best. But Machado’s basically a top 5-10 lock. If that’s what it costs to get that type of guy…

DonnieB
DonnieB
Reply to  Grey
3 years ago

It is that kind of league. Machado $50; I have Arenado at $54; others are Betts at $58, Trout at $75 but likely thrown back. My pitchers are Severino at $10,Corbin at $4,Bauer at $16, and Osuna at $10. Could also keep Reyes and Hader at $10.
My potential keeper hitters are Yelich at $33, Dahl at $10, Castellanos at $3,Yasmani G at $3, and Matt Chapman at $10. I can keep 8 players.
I think Seager,Yelich, Bauer,Corbin, Severino, Osuna, Machado, and Castellanos are the 8 right now. On the bubble for me would be Hader,Arenado, and Dahl. Would you switch any of the 8 for those 3 or Chapman or Reyes?

galica
galica
3 years ago

Grey!!!

Great SS write-up, better than the guy who wrote Eichmann’s biography.

a. I had Profar in the lineup only out of respect for OSB for a few ABs. But then I saw he was doing nuttin’ and I dropped him. Don’t tell OSB.

b. Anderson was really awful in the second half. but he boosted my SB totals so he wasn’t useless overall. Just make sure you pair him with someone who can hit for average (like Mr Wendle).

c. I noticed that a lot of guys couldn’t get going in April/May with all the cold weather and rain. So basically, guys had to go into overdrive to catch up to their season average. I think that’s what happened to Machado, most of the Os hitters were really horrid in the early going of last year. Same thing with Bregman’s early season troubles. He righted the ship though.

d. Mark Twain quote of the day for October 12

Heaven for climate, and hell for society.

e. Have a nice weekend. Hoping the Dodgers can steal one in MIL; I’d like to see LAD win the WS.

Cheers,
Ante

galica
galica
Reply to  Grey
3 years ago

@Grey: Grey!!

Thanks for your kind words as usual.

Enjoy your trip to Hi!!

True Story!! I won a trip for 2 to Hi in 1983 when I was a junior in high school. Of course, my father said you are not going. He took the winning ticket to my principal and made him sell the prize to him in cash. It was really embarrassing and of course the school mgmt hated me forever since.

Cheers,
Ante

galica
galica
Reply to  Grey
3 years ago

@Grey: Grey!!

My wife is a HUUUGE coffee fan so of course we’d go to Big Island and visit the coffee plantations.

Now that I am an adult with children of my own (with a son no less) we are thinking of going to HI for the winter break. It’s 24 HRs going west – Zagreb, London, LAX and finally Honolulu. The way back east is more painful like 48 hrs or so. It would cost us about 5K for the airline tickets. Not too much for 4 people.

Cheers,
Ante

galica
galica
Reply to  Grey
3 years ago

@Grey: Grey!!

LOL. We’re looking for popular tourist destinations that’ll be warm from dec22 to Jan 12. So, Sri Lanka (around 4K for the 4 of us), Cancun (around 5K for the 4 of us) Maldives is also around 4K. Zagreb as a starting point kind of kills us from the get-go.

Cheers,
Amte