Really closers…really?  It took all of two whole days for the save-nami to wash away all people’s hope and dreams.  Maybe this is the end of days, you know the one where Arnold starts crying?  Yet he didn’t cry in Commando, and they kidnapped his daughter who happens to be a fantasy fave in Alyssa Milano.   Strange, uncontrollable apocalyptic things… tears, only daughter kidnapped… killing people.  Well, since every team basically has three games under their belts, is it too early to start analyzing the bullpen situations to date?  It kinda is, the patterns aren’t there for me to read, as usage is the first indicator for anything.  Second is chafing. So instead of looking at the Holds situations this week (which I will come back to next week, I promise), we will take a look at the situations that are boggling our minds and flooding our rosters with handcuffs and middle relief hopefuls.  It’s not an ideal situation for fantasy rosterbating, because it locks up so many bench spots if you are in the ever evolving chase for savedom.  So enjoy the snippets, with some of general perspective on the relief corps. And for giggles I have updated the closer ranks to reflect all the trades, injuries and demotions.

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  • Ahh, the inevitability is cliche.  Joe Nathan heads to the DL after a flexor injury.  We all assumed it would be for basically pitching like crap.  So Joakim Soria takes over as closer for the Tigers, and is in the cat-bird seat for a while, as he has a pretty decent track record and has a great SP staff in front of him.  After Soria though, it gets awfully dark so fingers crossed that it ends there.
  • The trade of Craig Kimbrel to the Padres has sold me enough that he is now over-taking Roldy.  He proved it right by giving the Chavez Ravine crowd an inning that only he can be named after.  The move to Diego not only increases his save output potential on the year by 6-8 saves at the minimum, it makes Jay go to Lidz to by all the fresh fathers Camo gear to rock when he plays manhunt in the jungles of VA. [Jay’s Note: He’s not wrong folks.]
  • The opposite side of the trade spectrum leaves Jason Grilli as the first waiver wire darling of the year.  Or if you are scoring at home, that’s N-51, N-51.  The cavalcade of also rand former closers now in ATL is startling as they have Matt Capps, Jim Johnson and I think I saw Robb Nen in there some wheres.   Juan Jaime is the sleeper guy here, or even deeper look at Mike Foltynewicz, when the team realizes that a 40-60 record isn’t going to do it.  You think his agent is working on a sponsorship deal for Jimmy Johns?
  • Across the country the Mets are turning their eyes to Roc-La-Familia to be the saves hound now that Jenrry Mejia is partially broken.  Even the India spelling bee champ can’t fathom the spelling of some of these guys first names, I-before-E except after injury.  So Familia brings about the same closer potential to the Mets pen minus the fly ball rate, and is merely a band-aid or a farm-aid if you prefer the twangy version, until Bobby Parnell comes back and makes the situation all muddled.
  • I am still trying to figure out what Donnie Baseball is doing at the back end of games.  Uses Peralta in a tie game, which is sometimes a good play because that is a great time to get the other team out and then score.  So that makes sense.  The thing that is befuddling is where are the actual guys that you can say, yeah I want that guy on my roster because of this.  There aren’t any.  Chris Hatcher is still cleaning the puke off himself, bad luck or not.  One run, sure you blew it, 4 runs, you blew everyone (granted 2 were unearned).  I understand that there is a save chase and the things that are new and could help us are awfully tempting, but there is a line between sane and just dumb.  Seek save help elsewhere…draft better or trade.  If you need to throw your hat at someone, it still should be Joel Peralta, but don’t turn a blind eye to Yimi Garcia.
  • From the nothing to see-here-yet department, Steve Cishek got donkey punched in a meaningless game.  I watched every pitch of the appearance and the stuff is there, so the early season location and lack of spirit from it not being a save situation are the answer.  I need to see it again to actually start to worry and have A.J. Ramos as my add guy.

 

$12 Salads

You know that restaurant your girlfriend/wife/what-have-you likes to go to that charges, like, $12 for a salad? Every time you go there, you have a thoroughly solid meal. No complaints, except you just paid $12 for a salad when you could’ve went to McDonald’s and stuffed you and your woman for ten schmools and had $2 in quarters left over to make the hotel bed vibrate. These closers are $12 salads.

1. Craig Kimbrel – (Joaquin Benoit, Dale Thayer)

2. Aroldis Chapman – (Jumbo Diaz, Tony Cingrani)

3. Greg Holland – (Wade Davis, Kelvin Herrera)

 

Donkeycorns

Imagine you’re following a donkey, who’s wearing a wool cap, through a desert for 1700 miles. Why are you following a donkey? Because he promises you something wonderful and you just need to trust him. Does the donkey talk? Yes. Yes, he does talk. So when you and the donkey in the wool cap arrive at his destination, he removes the wool cap to reveal a horn. The donkey is a unicorn and his gift to you for your trust is saves. These closers are Donkeycorns.

4. David Robertson – (Jake Petricka, Zach Putnam, Zach Duke)

5. Cody Allen -(Bryan Shaw, Scott Atchison)

6. Mark Melancon -(Tony Watson, Antonio Bastardo)

7. Trevor Rosenthal -(Jordan Walden, Matt Belisle)

8. Drew Storen – (Aaron Barrett, Blake Treinen)

9. Huston Street – (Joe Smith, Cam Bedrosian)

10. Jonathan Papelbon – (Ken Giles, Jake Diekman)

11. Fernando Rodney – (Danny Farquhar, Tom Wilhelmsen)

12. Steve Cishek – (A.J. Ramos, Mike Dunn)

13. Zach Britton – (Darren O’Day, Tommy Hunter)

14. Glen Perkins – (Casey Fien, Brian Duensing)

15. Francisco Rodriguez, (Jonathan Broxton, Will Smith)

16. Hector Rondon – (Pedro StropJason Motte, Neil Ramirez)

 

Employed

These guys are the men that make the save market go round.  They punch in, punch out.  Have the job, no real threat to speak of, and are basically just there to collect great benny’s so they can take care of their crippled brother.  Who is only really crippled because he is scared of the sun.

17. Dellin Betances / Andrew Miller – (David Carpenter)

18. Neftali Feliz – (Shawn Tolleson, Keone Kela)

19. Santiago Casilla – (Sergio Romo, Jean Machi)

20. Addison Reed – (Brad Ziegler, Evan Marshall)

21. Luke Gregerson – (Chad Qualls, Pat Neshek)

22. Joakim Soria – (Al Alburquerque, Ian Krol, Joba Chamberlain)

23. Jason Grilli – (Jim Johnson, Juan Jaime)

 

Brain Freezes

I’m going on a picnic and I’m bringing apples, bananas and Carlos Marmol– Wait, he just gave up 12 earned runs and hit Castro in the head with a pick-off throw. Brain freeze! Make it stop! Use the following closers at your own risk.

24. Brett Cecil – (Roberto OsunaMiguel CastroAaron Loup )

25. Brad Boxberger – (Kevin Jepsen, Ernesto Frieri, Grant Balfour)

26. LaTroy Hawkins – (Adam Ottavino, Jon Axford, Rafael Betancourt)

27. Tyler Clippard – (Dan Otero, Fernando Abad)

28. Jeurys Familia(Buddy Carlyse, Carlos Torres, Bobby Parnell(INJ))

29. Joel Peralta – (Chris Hatcher, J.P. Howell, Yimi Garcia)

30. Edward Mujica – (Koji Uehara(INJ), Junichi Tazawa)

 

 

 
  1. sniff test says:
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    There is an advantage in my league for having an SP that gets holds/saves. Do you have any that you can think of?

      • Nick says:
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        @DP: Cingrani

    • Smokey

      Smokey says:
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      @sniff test: The list isn’t as apealing right now, boityh Toronto guys, Osuna and Castro are starting as SP guys so when they accumulate elig they will be decent. Other guys that could carve out some hold value: Juan Nicasio, David Phelps,Yusmeiro Petit, Robbie Ross,

    • SteveNZ says:
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      @sniff test: Randall Delgado has a Hold this week…

    • scooter jacobson says:
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      Scheppers…when he returns from the DL in a week or so.

  2. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Struggling over whether I should drop Cecil for Soria – if Cecil’s a Brain Freeze, I should go with the Employed guy, right?

  3. Mostsuckass says:
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    Hey Smokey, thanks for this update. I play in a league that counts both saves and holds. Could you rank the following guys for holds (with an eye toward ratios and save speculation)? Thanks!

    Bryan Shaw
    Keone Kela
    Roberto Osuna
    Brad Ziegler
    Will Smith

    • Smokey

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      @Mostsuckass: Shaw is the clear 1 guy here for holds, but no real spec for saves, except on the off day from Allen.
      Smith, Osuna, Kela, Ziegler round out the bunch

  4. OldMilwaukeePounders says:
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    Whats good Smokey?? I want to slightly echo Mostsuckass, but my league has no holds category. It is H2H and we’ve got way too many SP slots and not enough P ones. My current predicament is that with Holland, Roldy, Storen, and Andrew Miller, I literally have no place for Wade Davis. Would dumping Davis for Osuna w/SP eligibility be worth my while? He looks to be pretty nasty.

    • Smokey

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      @OldMilwaukeePounders: Was shakin OMP… yea ur in a pickle my friend. Trading closers never gets a good return but I would dangle Holland out there and see what you can benefit yourself with. I don’t recommend dumping Davis as he is such a helper in ratios

  5. Blues

    Blues says:
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    Smokey, in my 16 team keeper, I have horrible RP’s

    Marshall, Tazawa, Jeppson, Giles, Mujica, Barrett

    I want to have two closers by mid-season, is anyone droppable for:

    Diaz, A Torres, Chamberlain, Medina or Fujikawa?

    Thanks

    • Smokey

      Smokey says:
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      @Blues: I liek the 6 you have, you may be waiting awhile for saves to develop though

      • Blues

        Blues says:
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        @Smokey: Thanks Smokey!

  6. CL says:
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    Any comments on Miguel Castro? I picked him up this morning. Also picked up Ottavino.

    Dynasty League, holds count too.

    • Smokey

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      @CL: I like Castro, just like Osuna’s poise more. Osuna is more than a 2 pitch pitcher as well. Could be really special if he gets some good momentum. Love Otta, he looks to be in the cat bird for if and when Hawkins is ousted. Though Axford has the vet presence behind the vet

  7. Cishek basically kicked my era & whip in the dick this week – as Grey would say, “Kazaam!”

    Ugh.

    Grabbed up Osuna on Grey’s mancrush – what are the chances Cecil continues to shit the bed? Asking for a friend. Ok, that was a lie – I’m asking for Grey.
    ;)

    • Smokey

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      @Lucky Dog: Cecil looked awfully shaky. Couldn’t locate anything not even a get me over curve that he bounced to the wall. It will be 2-3 more liek that and he will be gone.

  8. Zeus says:
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    Thoughts on weekly faab on the three new closers? $1000, $100?

    • Smokey

      Smokey says:
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      @Zeus: Depends on what you have. Are the new ones replacing guys that you already invested a pick on? How many teams? Who are your other closers?

      • zeus says:
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        @Smokey: 14 team league, only have one uehara/mujica

        • Smokey

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          @zeus: bid semi aggressive then 100-150

  9. Bye Felicia says:
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    Boxberger at your own risk? Why is that, he’s been lights out?

    • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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      @Bye Felicia: probably since mcgee likely gets job when he’s healthy.

    • Smokey

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      @Bye Felicia: ABP said it best

  10. Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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    holds and K/9 dynasty league. marshall over ziegler for holds and K/9 league, zieg brought in 6th with guy on and 1 out, marshall the 8th by himself last time we’ve seen these two. delgado was also used later than ziegler.

  11. bebe's kid says:
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    First time faaber, full time owner of bret cecil…with a budget of 1k, how much should i toss out there for castro (as it looks like he’s the man to grab or so says closer report).

    • goodfold2 says:
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      @bebe’s kid: the one’s with the shirt.

      • bebe's kid says:
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        @goodfold2: but how much? i was gonna toss 75, but that seems a little low.

  12. goodfold2 says:
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    loup or castro in net saves and holds?

    • Smokey

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      @goodfold2: Id rather have teh consitent guy in the situation and say Loup, but Castro has the K upside

  13. the swinging says:
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    Cecil out, castro in. Breaking news.

    • Smokey

      Smokey says:
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      @the swinging: Yup, wanna owe me another beer and bet that Castro blows the game tonight?

      • SteveNZ says:
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        @Smokey: Is it worth owning both Castro and Osuna in a Holds league if you’ve got the room to do it?

        • Smokey

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          @SteveNZ: Not really. Cecil is going to get the job back…maybe, which pushes everyone back again. This Castro thing is only for today, it’s going to be a mashed up situation until Cecil figures it out.

      • the swinging says:
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        @Smokey: ? Hatcher didn’t pitch caus he pitched back to backs. Wana bet he’s back in the 9th next save chance. Are you ever right smokey?

      • the swinging says:
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        @Smokey: and what are you saying? U lost the beer bet.. after the first game where hatcher got the save, we made the bet..

        Then the next game hatcher pitched the 9th inning in a tie game, where u use ur closer at home..

        Then he wad unavailable to go 3 days in a row.

        Y lie???

        • Ralph Lifshitz

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          @the swinging: Why rap, cause I need air time…Why be on the curb wit a “why lie I need a beer” sign?

  14. zeus says:
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    Three games into the season and four closer changes and this doesnt even account for the situations in TB, OAK, LA, Bos and NYY . I f’in hate closers.

    • Smokey

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      @zeus: yea it sucks, cluttered up mess already

  15. Steve Stevenson says:
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    10-tm H2H, only 20 adds/yr. Cats are W, L, ER, K, WHIP, HLD, NetSV. I’ve done well in this league rostering 6RP–3-4 closers and 2-3 MR. I have an empty roster spot.

    Current RP:
    Cishek
    Boxberger
    Cecil
    J. Smith
    McGee (DL)

    Available:
    Soria
    Doolittle (DL)
    Castro
    Osuna
    Walden
    Ottavino
    Shaw

    Would you use a move on one of these guys now, or hold? I can afford to be patient and let things shake out, as it’s 1 win per cat each week.

    • Smokey

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      @Steve Stevenson: I think Soria needs to be rostered

  16. goodfold2 says:
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    with all of this TOR cluttering up, drop loup for marshall/tolleson. This is 20 team dynasty and i’m TEX, so have to keep minimum 9 TEX players. I grabbed Kela recently and have 10 TEX players with him. Tolleson seemingly has the 8th for now.

    • goodfold2 says:
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      @goodfold2: oops, holds/k per 9 and relief appearances are stats also.

      • Smokey

        Smokey says:
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        @goodfold2: loup for Tolleson seems like a nice lateral move

  17. tom says:
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    In a 12 team weekly H2H AL/NL which group would you place Kenley jansen ? Because I’m using clippard in the mean time till he comes back and it looks like you’re not to hot on him.

    • Smokey

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      @tom: He would be a top Donkeycorn to start until he proves his mettle

  18. the swinging says:
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    Not trying to be a bully sorry.

    Osuna pitching the sixth. …

    Cheers

    • dizzystpizy says:
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      @the swinging: And Cecil in for the save. Last chance?

    • dizzystpizy says:
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      @the swinging: Oh no! It’s Cecil in the 8th. So Castro for the 9th I guess.

  19. The Fuzz says:
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    $1000 FAB budget. first round happens overnight, bid $150 on Grilli?? too much or too little?

    • Smokey and Ralph

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      @The Fuzz: If you need saves go 200-225, i was in a similar league and he went for 3 bills

  20. JFK says:
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    SPs – King Felix / Kluber / Arrieta / Quintana / McCarthy / Alvarez/ Smyly (DL) / Corbin (DL)
    RPs – Cishek / Gregerson / Mujica / O’Day / Will Smith / Ottavino / Jim Johnson / Hatcher / Hochevar (DL)

    (3) SP / (3) RP / (3) P slots in a 7×7 league with L / SV / K / HLD / ERA/ WHIP / QS

    A) I picked up Johnson and Hatcher for speculative saves, but my general preference is for SP-eligible relievers who can assist with ratios and possibly provide holds/saves. With that in mind, which two of the following do you prefer and for whom (non-DL) would you swap?

    Scheppers, Cingrani, Delgado, Chavez, Phelps, Ross, Montero (only SP-eligible in Yahoo leagues right now), Osuna (only RP-eligible in Yahoo leagues right now), Maurer (NA at the moment), Rasmus (DL)

    B) What are your thoughts on where Soriano may land and how he’ll be situated? And do you see Betancourt leapfrogging Ottavino if/when Hawkins gets supplanted?

    I know a lot of us ask questions based on the assumption that you can see the future, but I’d take it as validation that you’re just that d*mn good…thanks, and keep up the great work!

    • Smokey and Ralph

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      @JFK: A) Cingrani and Delgado, B) Sori is waiting for an injury to a contending team so it will be tough to guess, and I don’t think Betancourt jumps Ottavino. I think he has to jump Axford as well.

  21. I can’t remember a season this ridiculous.

    I’ve always been a “draft a couple late closers & play the WW” guy – Thanks to a quick trigger I now have 6 closers on my team, at least pending the fallout from Cecil/castro. Drafted Soria in the last round, Rondon & Cishek were my “reliable” mid-round guys and I traded for Feliz. I’ve since added Castro & Grilli.

    I should snag saves on a weekly basis and it just doesn’t seem fair. There are also now 3 or 4 teams who had 3 closers who now only have 2. Might need to make a trade for a middle infidel.

    4 days in to the season & its a freakin bloodbath. I’ve never seen anything like it.

    • Smokey

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      @Lucky Dog: yea that’s happening to me in some leagues.

  22. Harry Hardenberg says:
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    juan jaime isnt good. brandon cunniff is the deep guy to be owned in that bullpen.

  23. sasquatch sluggers says:
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    Drop Giles for O’Day? What would you do? I have Mujica, Boxberger and Kenley Jansen as well. Or should I hold. Thanx so much!!

  24. gordon shumway says:
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    Hey there Smokey- in a holds league, Tony Watson and Joe Smith just got dropped.. would drop any of the following for either/both of them?

    Giles
    Farquhar
    Boxberger
    Miller
    Wil Smith?

    Thanks!

  25. Mark says:
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    Any chance cingrani becomes a britton, wade davis type for holds? Have him in my shallow holds saves league on yahoo with SP elig but wondering if that spot could be used better with a streamer SP or six RP to slot in when my other RP are off. Delgado of ARI is also an option.

    Thanks, appreciate the writeup

    • Smokey and Ralph

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      @Mark: The only real option in cincy that sticks outr is Jumbo Diaz so he has the chance to get lots of high leverage situations if he shows he can succeed.

  26. Swfcdan says:
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    I hear the siren going again! Damn you zombino closers, damn you!

    So…is Castro the main guy worth holding onto now in TOR aside from Cecil, any chanve Osuna steals some saves if you can roster both?

    And what about Houston, not had a save opp yet. I drafted Qualls not Gregerson (damn it!) but do I need to hold Qualls (not in the sexual way) a little longer? Greg has looked shaky in brief spells as the closer before.

    • Smokey

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      @Swfcdan: Castro and Cecil for now unless your roster has super deep bench
      Hold til mid next week, then move on

      • Swfcdan says:
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        @Smokey: I have Castro, haven’t got Cecil. Is Qualls worth holding is what im trying to ask, do you think there’s a chance Gregerson craps the bed.

        • Crapshoot Kershaw says:
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          @Swfcdan: if you want to own two of the guys you’ve mentioned, right now castro/cecil more likely to help you than qualls and one of those other two. cecil is more likely to get job back than qualls is to, so far.

        • Smokey

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          @Swfcdan: Sorry misunderstood. Cecil has value as much as Qualls does so it’s really a coin flip of cover yopurself or someone else with the cuff

  27. Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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    16 teamer with holds, K per 9, K per BB, OBPA, net saves and holds, saves, i got these guys
    hatcher/barrett (was moved down for one day, but treinen was awful, barrett slotted correctly today, went 1-2-3)/cishek/a.miller/farq/castro. Hatcher got fairly unlucky with his first blow up, but with today’s added to it, i’m guessing there’s a good chance he’s moved out of high leverage soon. which of these best option:
    kela/tolleson/baez/diaz/duensing (fien might be hurt)/b.logan/sipp/paco/furbush/hoover.

      • Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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        @Smokey: no problem, thanks. surprised there weren’t more over here asking about COL/SEA. It’s pretty obviously Ottoncourt in that order, even Freidrich went later than Hawkins.

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