After drudging through an Andy Dufresne-type tunnel for the top 20 catchers for 2016 fantasy baseball, I find myself with a group that actually really hurt or helped your team depending on how you drafted.  If you went wrong with your 1st baseman, it could kill your season.  Hey, Prince Fielder, no hard feelings from me.  We are totally fine since I knew not to draft you.  If you went right, you might’ve won your league.  Last year, I said offense was making a comeback.  This year, I say, you prophetic son of a B, darn tootin’ offense is making a comeback.  How’d you get so handsome and wise, though not wise enough to answer a question posed by yourself?  Lots of guys on this list not only did well, but did better than their preseason projections.  Offense is in full swoon, like Our Commissioner Manfred is swooning with the guy who wrapped the baseballs a little bit tighter this year.  To recap, this final ranking is from our Fantasy Baseball Player Rater with my comments.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 1st basemen for 2016 fantasy baseball and how they compared to where I originally ranked them:

1. Paul Goldschmidt – As commenter Randy Bobandy said the other day, “32 steals is a ludicrous amount of steals for a 1st baseman.”  Ludicrous is the perfect word for it.  It really is ludicrous.  It would just be ‘simply crazy’ last year, but this year, with all the homers that were hit, Au Shizz was Au SAGNOF.  You’ll take the steals, and be happy about it, but you don’t want your 1st baseman stealing 32 bases, unless it comes with 40 homers, which it obviously didn’t come with, and don’t end a sentence with with.  Doh!  Preseason Rank #1, 2016 Projections:  101/30/115/.297/14, Final Numbers:  106/24/95/.297/32

2. Edwin Encarnacion – Here was your standard 1st baseman’s numbers — big power, huge RBIs, little to no steals.  Too bad Edwin’s old as dog balls and I didn’t trust him at all.  For further reading on that subject, Jose Butt-tista’s year.  Preseason Rank #5, 2016 Projections:  84/33/97/.260/3, Final Numbers: 99/42/127/.263/2

3. Joey Votto – I wish I had written down what Votto was doing in the 1st half so I could compare that to where he is now.  *intern whispers in my ear*  I know his 1st half stats — 48/14/42/.252/6 — are recorded on the interwebs.  I meant where Votto was in the 1st basemen rankings at the half.  I wanna say he was around that of 20th overall for 1st basemen.  You hit .408 in the 2nd half and it’ll move you up some.  Preseason Rank #7, 2016 Projections:  87/25/75/.307/6, Final Numbers: 101/29/97/.326/8

4. Wil Myers – Almost the exact opposite of Votto as far as halfs go.  Halves?  That looks weird.  Should be na1t.  You know, the word half cut in half.  I fixed you, English language!  I will say one thing about, um, Wil.  I checked a few sources to make sure he really went 28/28 and it wasn’t just a typo on the 1st player page I checked.  Nope, he really did go 28/28.  First basemen giving steals is a’ight, but stick to why we drafted you, a’ight?  Preseason Rank #16, 2016 Projections:  81/18/68/.247/9, Final Numbers: 99/28/94/.259/28

5. Miguel Cabrera – I wonder if Miggy had an affair with Taye Diggs this past preseason, ’cause Miggy got his groove back!  It wouldn’t surprise you to learn black ladies love me.  Preseason Rank #3, 2016 Projections:  101/25/104/.318/1, Final Numbers: 92/38/108/.316

6. Daniel Murphy –  Too bad he went from being butt-hurt about homosexuals to being actually butt-hurt in his butt at the end of the season, because it likely cost me a league.  In that CBS NL-Only league where I was winning by as much as 20 points as late as August, I lost it by a half point to Jonah Keri of CBS on the last day of the season.  Wasn’t only due to Murphy, but he had a lot to do with it, since I was within .002 of three other teams, including Keri.  Isn’t it fascinating to hear about how someone else loses their league?  Ah, snazzy anecdotes.  Preseason Rank #24, 2016 Projections:  83/14/59/.285/4, Final Numbers: 88/25/104/.347/5

7. Freddie Freeman – I told you to avoid Freeman in the preseason, and I looked like a genius up until the All-Star break, even if I can’t spell genius without a spellchecker, but then Freeman had a huge 2nd half.  No sweat, I also told you to avoid A-Gon, Posey and Fielder.  *blows on knuckles, rubs knuckles on shirt, sees I had tomato sauce on knuckles that’s now on shirt*  Stupid knuckles!  “What’s the problem?”  Not you, Frankie Knuckles, and why are you in my head?  Preseason Rank #10, 2016 Projections:  74/24/87/.293/4, Final Numbers: 102/34/91/.302/6

8. Mark Trumbo –  I’m making a conscious decision to keep this about this year rather than next year, so conscious, in fact, I have Cougs standing next me waving smelling salts under my nose.  With that said (yup, about to ignore all of that),  Trumbo’s preseason projections of 28 HRs look about right for next year too, i.e., I don’t believe his breakout is here to stay.  “Here lies a man who didn’t believe Nelson Cruz was a 40-homer hitter for three years because Cruz didn’t start hitting that many until his 30s.”  That’s someone eulogizing me.  I’d kinda prefer they focused on my positive attributes.  Preseason Rank #18, 2016 Projections:  72/28/86/.265/1, Final Numbers: 94/47/108/.256/2

9. Anthony Rizzo –  I go over this more in Abreu’s blurb — hey, no skipping ahead! — but even if Rizzo didn’t perform up to his preseason projections, it’s still far from a failure — farure? — because in the big picture Rizzo still did more or less what you needed from him — power, counting stats and average.  Preseason Rank #2, 2016 Projections:  103/36/114/.291/12, Final Numbers: 94/32/109/.292/3

10. Hanley Ramirez –  Not only did I get Hanley’s projections way wrong — like not even close — but I compounded that error by assuming he was donezo around mid-August, right before he went and had one of the bigger final six weeks.  So, I’m dumb, what else is Foltynewicz?  Preseason Unranked for 1st Basemen, 2016 Projections:  65/17/72/.277/7, Final Numbers: 81/30/111/.286/9

11. Albert Pujols –  To paraphrase January Grey, why is Pujols ranked so low at ESPN and Yahoo, he’s still a virtual lock for 30 HRs and solid counting stats, isn’t he?  And that’s me paraphrasing me!  I took advantage of Pujols being ranked low this past preseason and grabbed him in some leagues — in the 10th round in one league, if you hadn’t heard!  Or maybe it was in the 9th round, it seems to get later every time I mention it, anyhoo! — and loved what I got from my Pujols — no corn, thank you!  However, even I’d like to know if there was some funny business with his RBI total.  How in the effin’ eff did he get 119 RBIs?  Favorable scoring?  Preseason Rank #8, 2016 Projections:  82/30/93/.257/4, Final Numbers: 71/31/119/.268/4

12. Mike Napoli –  I missed on a few guys in this top 20 — mostly Trumbo, Hanley and Freeman — which makes sense.  I mean, I missed on them, but I can understand how they did well.  I understand they are capable of what they did.  Whereas, with Napoli, not only did I miss, I don’t even know where this year came from.  Was he just an under-publicized Zombino?  Was too much press given to his mother’s nipples and we all missed out on Napoli?  Were his mother’s nipples a patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald used to distract us?  I got questions, y’all!  Preseason Rank #38, 2016 Projections:  45/19/58/.220/3, Final Numbers: 92/34/101/.239/5

13. Carlos Santana –  My projections don’t look too far off:  73/28/89/.254/4.  Only thing, those were my projections for him for 2015.  Saberhagenmetrics are no joke.  Preseason Rank #20, 2016 Projections: 70/24/87/.235/6, Final Numbers: 89/34/87/.259/5

14. Eric Hosmer –  If you would’ve told me in the preseason I’d get 25 HRs, 104 RBIs and a .266 average from Hosmer, I would’ve been all bowdy-bout-it.  That was before I knew 1,765 players would get 20 HRs this year.  Preseason Rank #13, 2016 Projections:  86/20/94/.303/8, Final Numbers: 80/25/104/.266/5

15. Chris Carter –  All brays to the Urban Donkey for finally reaching his 40+ homer potential.  If he gets 549 ABs again next year, hard to see him not repeating, but Hayzeus Cristo it took him playing a shizzton of games (160) to get there.  Feels like he just had the best possible scenario for everything.  Solid stadium and a lineup that lacked any reasonable alternative at 1st base.  “Hey, that’s rude,” said Garin Cecchini.  Seconding that was Will Middlebrooks.  Preseason Rank #32, 2016 Projections:  54/31/78/.206/1, Final Numbers: 84/41/94/.222/3

16. Buster Posey – Already went over him in the top 20 catchers for 2016 fantasy baseball.

17. Chris Davis –  Was he batting in front of Pujols?  How did he have so many more runs than RBIs?  Oh, wait, I know, *uck Showalter used a career .318 OBP as a leadoff hitter.  Preseason Rank #6, 2016 Projections:  84/37/101/.252/3, Final Numbers: 99/38/84/.221/1

18. Jose Abreu –  I could talk about how terrible Abreu was for the first four months of the season, and by saying I could talk about it, I have.  What I prefer to talk about is how safe hitters are compared to pitchers.  Yes, Abreu barely made the top 20 1st basemen when he started the year at #4 overall, but he still made it.  Think about the mess that was Matt Harvey, David Price, Gerrit Cole, Strasburg, Archer, Keuchel, Greinke, F-Her and Tyson Ross.  That’s just starters from the top 20 that failed to various levels.  In the top 20 1st basemen that failed:  Matt Adams, Byung-Ho Park and Prince Fielder.  Moral of the story?  Stay away from fat players.  Preseason Rank #4, 2016 Projections:  93/29/105/.296/1, Final Numbers: 67/25/100/.293

19. Brad Miller –  Here’s what I said in the preseason, “Last year, Brad Miller hit 20 homers and stole 11 bases while hitting over .300.  Right now, you’re thinking how is this guy even a sleeper?  He should be a top five guy at shortstop.  I know what you’re thinking because I’m sitting in your head.  My bad!  There’s one little problem with that 20 homers, 11 steals, .300+ average stat line.  That’s adding together his minor and major league numbers.  That’s wrong.  Or as they say in North Korea, that’s un-Jongy.”  And that’s me quoting me!  Unfortch, that was in the preseason of 2014.  I’m like that Twilight Zone camera that can predict the future, but you just don’t know when in the future it’s predicting.  Preseason Unranked for 1st Basemen, 2016 Projections:  48/13/52/.246/12, Final Numbers: 73/31/81/.243/6

20. Adrian Gonzalez –  It feels like every year I predict the end of A-Gon and every year he underperforms even what I’m predicting but has one or two good weeks — sometimes only one or two games — and makes his overall season look much more desirable.  Now watch next year he has a Napoli-type resurgence.  Hopefully we get to see his mom’s boobies too. Preseason Rank #9, 2016 Projections:  79/26/92/.270, Final Numbers: 69/18/90/.285

  1. Swfcdan says:
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    Crazy day of playoff action, pitchers getting destroyed. Loved seeing my Blue Jays slice Hamels up into ham and Porcello finally turned back into the porcellini mushroom we all thought he was!

    Love Benny Baseball’s swing, sure that kid will be a sleeper of mine going into next year.

    Pressure all on playoff choker Price tonight, and he’s facing the Klubot. Could be 2-0 before you know it and the Red Sox chances hanging by a thread.

    • Swfcdan says:
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      @Swfcdan: But stop complaining about steals from 1Bmen man, we need steals anywhere we can get ’em these days! Haha

    • Ralph Lifshitz

      Ralph Lifshitz says:
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      @Swfcdan: You shut your filthy mouth. Price will throw a perfect game.

      • Big Odio says:
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        @Ralph Lifshitz: relax it’s a 7 game series. The Sox will be fine

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Swfcdan: If it’s not 2-0, the Indians screwed up big time…Gotta hold serve

      • Ralph Lifshitz

        Ralph Lifshitz says:
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        @Grey: Didn’t like the over-aggressive managing by Tito? Dan Otero better be good if Kluber can’t go 8.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Napoli’s Mom is going to bridge the gap from the 7th to 8th, like the Storrow Bridge Drive–I have to get out of my own mind, excuse me…. Tito has relievers left?

          • Ralph Lifshitz

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            @Grey: Dan Otero, Mike Clevinger, and Jeff Manship.

            Are you referencing the Storrow Drive Arthur Fiedler foot bridge? Right next to that hill that all the BU chicas sun bath on?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              They call that BU Beach — wanna see a bunch of Jewish girls try to get a tan but get burnt instead? Head there now!

              • Ralph Lifshitz

                Ralph Lifshitz says:
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                @Grey: I love Jewish college girls. It’s before they marry and live in Newton/Natick/Needham and drive a Mercedes or Lexus SUV.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  As someone who has been there, they’re not easy to pull

                  • Ralph Lifshitz

                    Ralph Lifshitz says:
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                    @Grey: I did alright in my day. Lot’s of Shelia’s and Barbara’s on the jock at 20.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      HA… Nothing until you’re a girl’s date at the Matzah Ball

  2. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!!

    Great read, man! Whipped through the top 20 catcher results from yesterday and have committed it to memory already. Shocking #1 and I believe Gattis has a breakthrough next year – 40 HRs and 100 RsBI.

    a. I met Frankie Knuckles in an after-hours booze can in Toronto’s garment district. The cops came around 02h00. The lights came on, the owner gave them a couple of beers and 10% of the take, and then the lights went off and the party continued until dawn! Frank Voila!

    b. On Rizzo, I remember the start of 2015. They were walking him like crazy ’cause there was no one else hitting behind him or in front of him. This was in April / May. Then he said F y’all, I’m going to steal bases instead. Then the offense picked up and he didn’t need to or want to. This year, the offense was booming from the ‘git go with Fowler and Zobrist really taking charge of the top of the order and also Bryant from the ‘git go was kicking ass. So there was no need for steals. Trouble is, if that continues he is doomed to remain in 9th place.

    c. A-Gone, great in April lousy the rest of the way almost to a tee.

    d. Day 5 of 10 of my typhoid fever treatment ongoing! Feeling much better though still under the influence of the antibiotic they gave me that prolly kill a horse! 5 more days of antibiotic tabs to go!

    Have a greyt weekend.

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Grey

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      @Ante GALIC: Thanks! A. Ha, nice! I saw Frankie Knuckles died recently, didn’t get into in the post, but that’s a shame B. Meh, I’m not sure, but maybe, hard to refute C. Yup D. Feel better!

  3. Packers says:
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    Off the subject butttttttt, what side in a dynasty 12 team league?
    Kershaw or Buxton, Odorizzi and B. Rodgers?
    How does Rodgers fit in with Story at SS?
    Same format different league.
    Trumbo, or Hosmer and Realmuto?

    • Malicious Phenoms says:
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      @Packers:
      Kershaw
      Trumbo

    • Ralph Lifshitz

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      @Packers: What’s the state of your team? If you’re chasing a title next year you take Kershaw. If you’re a year or two away take the other side.

      Story or Rodgers will move to second. Depends whom they prefer in the field. Rodgers played 24 games at the keystone this season.

      Trumbo, but it’s close.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Packers: Kershaw, Trumbo, agree with Ralph on Story

  4. Dave says:
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    11 team dynasty, I have AJ Reed, Vogelbach and Josh Bell as my current 1B…..which, as you can see, is none of the above, or even close…..should I rebuild and aim for one of these and keep one of my current 1B? Or stick with the status quo? Reed was disappointing this season, but has potential, Bell impressed me when he was given the chance, and Vogelbach has the power, just had very little opportunity.

    • Ralph Lifshitz

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      @Dave: One of those guys will be solid next year. A year two early on the trio IMO.

      Bell and Vogie are safe approach guys with good hit tool, Reed is the masher. All have concerns but I’d be shocked if one, if not all, don’t break out next year.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Dave: I like them Bell, Reed, Vogel… I don’t think Vogel’s going to break out next year, Bell and Reed could depending on opportunity

      • Ralph Lifshitz

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        @Grey: I’m a huge Vogelbach guy, which sounds funny because he’s huge. He offers the best mix of power, approach, and average. More power than Bell, and more polish than Reed. He just doesn’t look like a ball player. He has more of sandwich artist look.

        • Grey

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          I’m interested, but the Mariners haven’t had a prospect hit in about 27 years, so I’m wary of any moves they do, even if the Cubs produce can’t-missers

          • Ralph Lifshitz

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            @Grey: They didn’t draft him though, so I have a little more faith he can do something having honed his craft outside their organization.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, the Cubs thing is the only thing he has going for him, but the Cubs gave him up which makes me think they know something… Maybe it’s his Jake Fox build…. I tend to think it’s not because they have plenty of 1st basemen b/c they held Baez for so long when they had other guys in front of him… I don’t know, I always think the M’s are being made into fools somehow

              • Ralph Lifshitz

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                @Grey: Then I’m right there with the Mariners, cause I’ve been a huge advocate.

                He wasn’t drafted by Theo, and this team has been almost entirely built via trades. They’ve actually drafted the least amount of their current roster of the teams in the playoffs.

                Just don’t think he’s a Theo guy, and they already have multiple DH options in Schwarber, Soler, and Baez, should the DH come over to the NL. Vogelbach is older and really shouldn’t be in the minors next year, they moved him for a piece they needed. He’s also a DH and holds little value to an NL team.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Fair points, do you think he’s Khris Davis (.250) or Chris Carter (.220) or neither are good comparisons? More .280 with 27 HRs?

                  • Ralph Lifshitz

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                    @Grey: Oh, no he’s more like Brandon Belt numbers. like .275/20/75, he’s more of a high OBP with some pop guy.

                    His average should remain high, he doesn’t strikeout a lot, he walks a ton, doesn’t make a lot of weak contact, which should keep his average higher. he’s not a masher, though he had a power jump this year.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Interesting, blimpotence? He the next Billy Butler?

                    • Ralph Lifshitz

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                      Yeah 2009-2010 Billy Butler is a good comp. Maybe a touch more power. He did lose a lot of weight.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Ugh, I’m not getting more excited… Could the power develop into 30+?

                    • Ralph Lifshitz

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                      Probably not, then again I never thought Mookie and several others would hit 30. So maybe 30 is the new 20.

                      JUICED BALLS FTW

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Hell yeah!

  5. Freddyfreeman says:
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    Wow you missed pretty bad on a lot of these

  6. Big Odio says:
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    Who was that sexy rubenesque writer that told people to take Napoli at the end of drafts? Naps got his shoulder fixed last year and it showed at the end in Texas. He also got a surgery to fix his sleep apnea..one thing you miss here is old guys can still hit for power. Anydahoo I’m just glad catcher is over

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Big Odio: You also loved Pollock, Gomez and A-Gon… You might have a thing for old guys… Father figures?

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        @Grey: I never wrote a post about any of those guys. Never liked A

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          You did like Gomez and Pollock?

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            @Grey: I dI’d like gomez. But he was obviously still hurt and yet again when healthy he perdormed like he did in september

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              You’re saying Gomez was fine to draft b/c he performed when he finally got healthy in September? That’s funny…

              • Big Odio says:
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                @Grey: not really. Still has a great skill set…Okay maybe good

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  His Ks are skyrocketing, he’s back to a .220-.230 hitter with the occasional HR and SB with an injury prone label

                  • Big Odio says:
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                    @Grey: he’s always been a hack but a 20 20 with a 250 is not unreasonable.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Prolly not…If Mark Reynolds can hit .250, Gomez can

      • Big Odio says:
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        @Grey: accidently hit post. I didn’t see a gon as anymore than a high teens low 20s homer guy who could possibly get 100 rbis. I’m glad you bring up pollock. Its really weak sauce to claim staying away from guys that got season ending injuries with no history of that. It’s like taking credit for saying someone will lose a race they never show up to run. I know you need t do things to make it look better than it is but it comes off caddy.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          So, you did like Pollock and Gomez!

          • Big Odio says:
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            @Grey: miss the point again

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Just messing with you… Dude, I don’t claim credit for Pollock’s injury or Schwarber’s or anyone’s I said to avoid unless I say to avoid them due to injury risk (Tulo)… I would’ve loved for Pollock or Schwarber to play all year and do less wonderfully as I predicted than just get hurt, but I’ll still take the moral victory… Just as I take the hits when I like Strasburg and he gets hurt….

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                @Grey: classic you getting out of the corner through the trap door

  7. Randy Bobandy says:
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    If Edwin jumps ship to Boston, he could have stupid numbers for a few more years.

    Interesting off-season ahead for the Jays…side note, Bautista has a career 1.181 OPS in the playoffs. Only some guys named Ruth and Gehrig are higher.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Randy Bobandy: I mentioned you in this post… Agree on Edwin

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        @Grey: Can you imagine if the Rockies signed him, that would be amazing

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Old fantasy baseball proverb — Let the Rockies sign all hitters and have no pitchers you want

      • Randy Bobandy says:
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        @Grey: if I could create a thumbs up emoji, I would!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha!

  8. William Hung says:
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    @Grey: Do you think this was Brad Miller and Wil Myers’ coming out party and they are both here to stay, or was this an outlier?

  9. Ralph Lifshitz

    Ralph Lifshitz says:
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    Note to self: Don’t discuss the wild card with J-FOH….

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha

    • Big Odio says:
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      @Ralph Lifshitz: it’s just like poker. No wildcards

  10. dhouse42 says:
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    Really interesting point on the reliability of hitters over pitchers. Which round do you generally first take a SP?

    I waited until the fourth round in the one roto leagued I finished 2nd, and took Carrasco 4th round and Archer (who I later traded for Rich Hill) in the fifth. I dunno, it worked out ok I guess but it kinda doesn’t seem worth it even that early. I got a ton of good production from the waiver wire, streaming, and late picks like Aaron Sanchez, Joe Ross, Carlos Rodon(2nd half), Steven Wright, Ian Kennedy, Jaime Garcia (1st half). Thinking about even waiting a couple more rounds next year, depending on who is getting left until rounds 5-6ish.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Around 5th round… 4th round isn’t terrible… 6th round is fine… 3rd’s a little early and 7th’s a little late

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Talking 12 team

      • VinWins

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        @Grey: 17th. Guarantee you could have done just as good this season in the Perts league. And your hitting would have been even better.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Hard to argue with that, but I like the safety blanket nature of taking a pitcher around 5th… Makes me feel better, and at a certain point in drafts there’s just not hitters you like

          • VinWins

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            @Grey: True enough. I was looking to see who you might have taken instead of Archer; probably nothing you really wanted.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, I could’ve maybe taken Trumbo, but I never would’ve…That’s the hard thing

              • William Hung says:
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                @Grey: The hard thing is preferable to “that Mexican thing”

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Haha

        • Ralph Lifshitz

          Ralph Lifshitz says:
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          @VinWins: I’ve been kicking this around, but in RCLs I feel like you need a couple of guys. Streaming can get pretty hairy. I can see maybe taking one even as early as the mid-late second, and then not taking another starter until later.

          I’m probably wrong, and like you said, it might be comfort thing, but I think you need a foundation. You just don’t draft 5 starters. You draft two good ones and target RPs.

          • VinWins

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            @Ralph Lifshitz: 2014 I took Kershaw only and had a top-10 overall finish. This year I had a couple of teams where I didn’t take any SPs until the 15th or later with success; but I also had a few teams with ERAs over 4, so it doesn’t always work.

            • VinWins

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              @VinWins: I figure Grey is a better streamer than I am, so he could do it.

          • regan says:
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            @Ralph Lifshitz: That’s a good point. Next year i’m targeting 2-3 aces with the highest K/start and stream the rest.

      • dhouse42 says:
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        @Grey: yeah I was talking 12 team as well. I also find the idea of using many non-closer relievers interesting, as their ratios and k/9 are often way better than starters, and can be had at the end of drafts or on waiver wires at any time. Only catch is wins, it seems like.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Wins are totally unreliable

          • dhouse42 says:
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            @Grey: right, but you are almost certainly going to get more from starters than relievers, right? so that’s the one issue with running out a bunch of relievers and less starters, is all I meant

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Ah, yeah, gotcha

            • Ralph Lifshitz

              Ralph Lifshitz says:
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              @dhouse42: Maybe, but everybody will get wins from starters. The differentiator in these leagues often is the streamed RP wins. In the leagues where I had good win totals it was on backs of streaming vulture save guys.

  11. Malicious Phenoms says:
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    Tulo Bomb…Rangers could be done in 3.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I wouldn’t mind that

      • Malicious Phenoms says:
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        @Grey: HA, you Bluejay picker.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha

  12. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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    I come here for the hip-hop and FOH arguments. Not a beat to be found, and I don’t see…*scrolls up*….ohhhh, I’m all good.

    • The Hack says:
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      @Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: you must face jizz when I argue hip hop. Im glad someone appreciates dissenting opinions. I get tired of the blowing grey crowd.

      • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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        @The Hack: Haha, I’m always down to watch a good fight. You just seem to type with such vitriol. Are you murmuring under your breath and mf’ing everyone while angrily one-finger typing on the keyboard?

        I hate arguing music actually. Who is to say what music is good or not? It’s all opinion based. Although…people who like Lil Wayne and the type are complete morons and just wrong.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Weezy!

        • The Hack says:
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          @Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: I only like to argue music with guys like Nick because Ive already been where he’s at. People don’t care, they have the “its because its what I like” defense and thats all that matters. Now the proppoganda machine and how music is forced down our throats is a psychological discussion I prefer not to have because when they realize they have been brain washed then Im the bad guy .

      • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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        @The Hack: I like the large amount of Pharycde being posted here lately. Ever watch “Drop” in reverse. It makes me question my life and everything about it. I can’t tell if it’s normal or weird.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od9gPuxb0Sw

        • The Hack says:
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          @Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Thats all me on the Pharcyde, I ve seen the reverse, it make me want to question other peoples life. Like the director of the video Spike Jonez? Why doesnt he just make music videos for the rest of his life? His were the best

          Funny thatin the youtube suggestions that it was all hip hop videos and this, which I have no clue how this got mashed in there and Im still watching it

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgDtgyzVZYk

          • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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            @The Hack: HAHA! Yes, can’t wait to watch that when I get off work.

            My personal favorite off the top of my head….a fat woman clip-clopped her way into the shoe store today, she said she’d like something that makes her look smaller. I said, try Wyoming.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Ha!

            • The Hack says:
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              @Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: YES! There was something to be said when that show came out. It was so unlike anything we had ever seen that it reminded me of seeing a dead body for the first time, you just cant look away

              • nick the dick says:
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                @The Hack: They still play it on tv at at some weird early hour. And it’s still fantastic. Young Applegate, rawr!

              • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                @The Hack: This show would never be allowed on network television these days. So many people would be so offended so fast…..so.

                Also agree with Nick….young Applegate.

                • The Hack says:
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                  @Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: I was in the 6th grade when it came out and so many people were offended by it then. Im glad that even in hindisight you guys can appreciate that.

      • nick the dick says:
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        @The Hack: Was listening to this album in the car last week and now my son keeps telling my wife she has a glass eye with a fish in it. God, he’s so me…

        • The Hack says:
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          @nick the dick: that is a great father son moment. I literally just got glassy eyed, that moment should be used in a commercial.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Hahaha

  13. The Hack says:
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    Lets move on from the angry stuff this morning. I can’t handle the baseball stuff right now. The other day they compared Encarns bomb to Mazeraski’s. I can’t deal with that.

    Got back to the wire and you were right, its really moving now. I was talking to my buddy I hung out with everyday when that show was on and he is in the same place I am. Sad we missed it and wanting to watch it.

    I watched Justified with babys mama again and I’m not seeing the awesomeness of it that Fred Garvin sees. Im starting to think FGMP is a backwoods bumpkin and this is his roots. Its not a bad show, but its like a show you watch to not think, just entertain me on a surface level.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Encarnacion’s bomb isn’t even on par with Billy Hatcher’s. Yeah that’s how I was feeling on Justified too… I may not stick with it… feels like a procedural (CSI) which I don’t like..: as for the wire, it’s about as slow and confusing at the start of every season but each one gets better

      • The Hack says:
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        @Grey: “slow and confusing” that’s the most frequently used description of me. I’m gonna love this.

        Does he literally have to have a “justified” killing in every episode. I already watch mind numbing escapist shows in the Arrow and the Flash on Netflix.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah I’m not sure, I stopped at the third episode so far…

          • The Hack says:
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            @Grey: we got to episode 6. Im glad you didnt acknowledge my Fred Garvin is a bumpkin remark. You cant be losing off season commenters. Thats my job

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I don’t think it’s accurate

              • Big Odio says:
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                @Grey: probably not but I love saying bumpkin

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Love this one

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Oh snap, these are Pharcyde guys… Damn, you love LA hip hop

        • Big Odio says:
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          @Grey: yeah, Im from LA

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Yeah, you seem to represent LA more than most… Not good or bad, was just noticing

            • Big Odio says:
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              @Grey: I also represent the LBC pretty hard. That’s my second home

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                I’ve noticed that too

            • Big Odio says:
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              @Grey: LA is my home, Im sure if I was from Jersey Id be repping toxic waste and spray tans

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                And Naughty by Nature!

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                Jersey Drive!

                • Big Odio says:
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                  @Grey: If I was from there Id probably have Naughty by Nature tattooed across my stomach

                  • Grey

                    Grey says:
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                    Treach was an amazing emcee back in the day too, gotta admit it… “You talk so much shit, you should write your rhymes on toilet paper…” — Treach

                    • Big Odio says:
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                      @Grey: I should write my comments on toilet paper

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Haha, Treach just under appreciated is all

        • Big Odio says:
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          @Grey: they’re not. NuMark is from Jurassic 5 and J-Live is a NY guy

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Oh, my bad, I mis-Googled… I looked up Slimkid3, because I liked him and I thought I read he was Pharcyde

            • Big Odio says:
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              @Grey: SlimKid was on the tracks I left for Noisewater, stay with us and get off the backside of the site. Come to the page

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                Ha, my bad

  14. Malicious Phenoms says:
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    4-0 Indians, Price continues his big game suckatude..

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      As someone who owned Price this year, I’m so not surprised

      • Malicious Phenoms says:
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        @Grey: Seager homered in first and Kershaw struck out the side.

        Does Dusty use the same toothpick all year long or does he have like one for each game..

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I’m guessing different ones, but it’s hard to tell with Dusty

  15. Scott Kimmel says:
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    Grey,

    The season just ended, and I just got my first trade offer.

    I give up: Quintana and Madson
    I get: Gary Sanchez and either Fowler or Kemp.

    Would you make that deal? If so, which OF should I ask for?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sounds decent, take Kemp

      • Scott Kimmel says:
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        Grey,

        He said not to Kemp in that package. He came back and offered me Yelich along with Sanchez for Quintana and Madson. What are your thoughts? would you make the deal?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Sanchez who?

          • Scott Kimmel says:
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            sorry. I give up Quintana and Madson
            I get: Gary Sanchez, and Yelich?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Sounds decent

              • Scott Kimmel says:
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                ok i’ll do it. i’ll trade Madson and Quintana for Gary Sanchez and Christian Yelich. THanks Grey.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  No problem

                  • Scott Kimmel says:
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                    Grey,

                    He is giving me a choice of either Fowler, Lucroy, Yelich or Polanco to go with Gary Sanchez in exchange for Quintana and Madson. Who should I take?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Polanco

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      Grey,

                      I already have Marte from Pittsburgh.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Doesn’t matter

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      Grey,

                      I need a little more speed to go with Altuve, Trout, Marte, and Jose Ramirez. So SHould I go with Yelich?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Sure

                    • Scott Kimmel says:
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                      ok thanks grey

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      No problem

  16. Big Odio says:
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    I got into the rare baseball discussion with some of my co-workers and this is the analogy I gave them. Baseball was once my wife and then the strike happened, it took me years but I let it back into my life in the form of fantasy. We will never be the same. This is like how your wife leaves you to become a hooker at a brothel and years later she returns. You still love her, and let her stay with you but you know she is a filthy fucking whore that does it for the money.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Hahaha… Do wives often leave husbands to become hookers at brothels?

      • Big Odio says:
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        @Grey: when they go on strike

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha, hilarious

  17. hondo says:
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    Harold Reynolds is just so awful.It’s just impossible to have the volume up when his suckage is present.Just awful.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He’s the worst!

      • Big Odio says:
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        @Grey: I turned the Jays game on today and it was Berman doing play by play. I couldn’t understand half the crap out of his mouth and what I could understand was just terrible.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          They are all such buffoons

          • Big Odio says:
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            @Grey: my daughter always says she’s bored when I watch baseball. Tonight I think she means it.

  18. Killer joe says:
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    Hopefully we will see the “25 Charming Sexy Gym Ladies That Will Excite Your Senses” boobies!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha

  19. Snake Mountain says:
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    You may have said to avoid Freeman, but you also had him ranked 43rd overall. I took him with the 78th pick (because of your rankings). Thank your Grey. I wouldn’t have won my league without you.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nice! No problem!

  20. jb says:
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    Grey, if you haven’t left for the weekend. I’m the second round (DFS) of the Yahoo league for $40K and other cash prizes. Top 2,771 places advance. Will share good fortunes with you. 2 games. Which pitchers for Sunday ha ha?

    $48 Aaron Sanchez v TEX (Lewis)
    $36 Josh Tomlin @BOS (Buchholz)
    $35 Colby Lewis @TOR (Sanchez)
    $29 Clay Buchholz v CLE (Tomlin)

    Give me your picks or who are your picks for 4 top money hitters?

    I’ll prolly go $9 or $7 hitters if they’re starting. Weird $ valuations but it’s Yahoo!

    C
    Russell Martin $16
    Jonathan Lucroy $15
    Roberto Perez $12
    Sandy Leon $11
    Chirinos $9
    $7: Ginenez, Gomes, Vazquez, Navarro

    1B
    Carlos Santana $23
    Hanley Ramirez $22
    Edwin Encarnacion $21
    David Ortiz $19
    Mike Napoli $18
    $7: Moreland, Smoak

    2B
    Jason Kipnis $21
    Dustin Pedroia $17
    Rougned Odor $15
    Devon Travis DTD $13
    Jurickson Profar $7

    3B
    Josh Donaldson $21
    Adrian Beltre $20
    Jose Ramirez $18
    Travis Shaw $9
    $7: Aaron Hill, Marco Hernandez, Darwin Barney

    SS
    Elvis Andrus $19
    Francisco Lindor $15
    Xander Bogaerts $15
    Troy Tulowitzki $12

    OF
    Jose Bautista $22
    Mookie Betts $20
    Carlos Gomez $19
    Carlos Beltran $16
    Jackie Bradley Jr. $15
    Andrew Benintendi $15
    Coco Crisp $13
    Shin-soo Choo $13
    Tyler Naquin $12
    Ezequiel Carrera $12
    $11: Chisenhall, Guyer, Ian Desmond, Pillar
    $10: Holt
    $9: Rajai, Chris Young, Mazara, Melvin Upton Jr.
    $7: Michael Martinez, Ryan Rua, Jared Hoying, Michael Saunders
    Carlos Santana $23
    Hanl

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sanchez, Buchholz… Donaldson, Betts, Edwin, Pedroia

      • jb says:
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        @Grey: Thanks, Grey!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem!

    • jb says:
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      @jb: Disregard the last two lines. $200 budget. 2771 or top 10% advance. Starts 4:08 PM EDT on Sunday.

      • nick the dick says:
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        @Grey: Hahaha a teacher’s salary isn’t much

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha, that’s right, I forgot he was one

  21. Big Odio says:
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    Is it me or does rizzo look lost?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, luckily, the Cubs have 8 other guys to pick him up… Cubs are gonna be tough to beat this October — hot take!

      • Big Odio says:
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        @Grey: way to step out on the ledge. So bold…Kinda spicy

  22. Big Odio says:
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    Bryant was one game away from 1st base eligibility in espn (9 games) I believe yahoo is 10 games for the next season. If he had it I think I would rank him a kick higher. Think of all the ways you could cover your team. I used him at OF a lot this year. It didn’t limit me as much when it came to free agent options….Okay im officially bored

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Bryant’s a top 5 guy with or without the eligibility

      • Big Odio says:
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        @Grey: of course. But that edge in flexibility makes me.wonder who is better for my team. Goldy or Bryant? Or who allows me more flexibility as the draft unfolds. Damn this is october. Too soon. I feel like the nerds who talked about SAT’s their sophmore year.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Without the edge on eligibility, Bryant might be above Goldy… not sure how I’m leaning yet

          • Big Odio says:
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            @Grey: tough call. What if Maddon flip flops him and razzo. Then those runs and rbis flip. And with schwarber back there is another bat to protect.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Don’t think Bryant loses anything if he’s the 2-hole, 3-hole or 4-hole hitter

              • Big Odio says:
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                @Grey: he had a ridiculous amount of runs this year and less rbis than what I thought. But still…damn

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Yeah it was a huge year… Maddon gave Zobrist 200+ abs in the cleanup spot

  23. jb says:
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    Sheesh. CLE @ BOS has been PPD, so round 2 cancelled. With DFS, it’s difficult for me when there are fewer teams as I have trouble picking the guys who should be the top hitters for that day. Paralysis by analysis? Yet, it’s been shown that the top DFS players can make an exorbitant income from their “statistical analysis” programs. If I can play some fantasy moneyball next season (need to get permission lol; prolly start with non-DFS), then I’ll be sure to invest in SON.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      There’s the DFSbot for DFS players — handicaps for DFS sites

    • Big Odio says:
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      @jb: those guys have programs but they are also buying in huge with multiple multiple lineups per contest. It’s a pure numbers game in how they pull it off.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I wanna cruise around in a hotbox’d Impala while pumping this

  24. bob says:
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    IMO, Votto was the second best 1B man last year. E5 was maybe six.
    The six extra steal more than make up for the 13 home runs and the 63 points in average
    was way more valuable than the extra RBI’s E5 had. Think you are greatly underrating steals and batting average. That said I enjoy your cleaver writing and comments.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks!

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