How do you quantify the pure power of you, yes you, the loyal Razzball Nation commenter?

How about with an 82 ranking as if from nowhere!

I’ve actually seen Nate Karns pitch in AAA, and I remember not being too impressed…  Then again I was balls deep in craft beer and a footlong hot dog with BBQ and slaw on it, so there’s that…

I really haven’t seen too much of Karns this year, but what I have seen heading into yesterday’s start is a pretty good fastball with a solid knucke-curve.  Nothing “blow you away”, but enough to keep hitters honest.  And with a garbage-ish pool of pitchers to stream in a couple of leagues where I’m behind in my innings quota, Karns was my stream of choice against a struggling White Sox offense yesterday.  Boy was I happy with the result!  So I decided to go back and watch this start complete with all of the Pitcher Profile bells and whistles to see if there’s something a little deeper here than just a 10 or 12-team matchup streamer:

First Inning: Karns’ first pitch is a fastball high and outside to Adam Eaton, fastball in there on the inside corner, 1-1.  Another fastball is fouled off, but a hanging 1-2 curve that stayed in the zone is laced into right for a leadoff single.  No radar gun for either broadcast so far (FX on the player not showing it either), but Karns looks like he’s in his usual 91-92 range.  Fastball paints the inside corner on Alexei Ramirez, then another fastball is absolutely rocketed to left field, but Joey Butler is right there for the first out.  Both with very hard contact so far.  Hanging breaking ball is inside to Jose Abreu, fastball outside, breaking ball low, 3-0.  Karns then misses by a millimeter on the inside edge with a fastball and loses him on 4 pitches.  Not a great start.  Fastball way outside to Adam LaRoche, and this isn’t going too well, surprised he didn’t get a visit after that pitch.  Change-up barely gets the zone to even it up – might have been outside – fastball with some cutter-movement backdooring the outside is slashed foul 1-2, then Karns paints the outside corner with a perfect fastball to get LaRoche looking for a big K.  Two outs, and Avisail Garcia takes a first-pitch knuckle-curve for strike one that is Karns’ best pitch so far:

Karns-curveball-1

Maybe getting a little confidence after the big K. although Garcia is 2-3 with 2 homers vs. Karns before this start.  Then knuckle-curve goes straight down instead of sweeping across and gets a big swing-and-miss, 1-2:

Karns-curveball-2

Wow, great ability to change the movement on the knuckle-curve.  Then another curveball that stayed in the zone is flared to right, and it’s caught for an easy out to get Karns out of the inning.  Just looked like a different pitcher after striking out LaRoche.

Second Inning: Melky Cabrera takes a first pitch fastball in there for strike one, then a hanging change-up is laced to third, but Evan Longoria makes the pick and gets him out.  Another loud out though…  Gordon Beckham takes strike one, fastball is outside, another heater fouled back, fastball way upstairs taken, elevated heater again gets Beckham reaching to foul it off, Beckham lays off the curveball dipping low, then a fastball on the hands doesn’t tie him up and Beckham gets his hands around on it for a double down the left field line.  The Rays broadcast and I agree – amazing at bat right there from Beckham.  Karns is outside to Carlos Sanchez, fastball blows him away, then another fastball is barely past Jake Elmore at first diving for it and through second base for a single, Beckham is able to score but Sanchez is cut down at second.  A little bit of a lucky RBI, but at least Karns gets the out for the bases clear.  Curveball gets strike one on Tyler Flowers, another curveball stays on the inside edge, but Flowers can only top it to third for an easy groundout, inning over.

Third Inning: Change-up is taken for strike one by Eaton as we return to the top, inside fastball eats him up for a flare foul, outside change-up gets him reaching fouling it off, still 0-2.  Fastball high and outside, fastball fouled off, curve is low, then a nice 2-2 change-up gets Eaton out in front for his 2nd K.  Replay shows that nice circle-change grip.  Karns then goes right after Alexei with a curveball in the zone that’s swung over and missed, curve again skips low, change-up gets a big swing over top it for a whiff, change-up is working wonders right now.  Then a high fastball doesn’t quite get high enough, and Ramirez flares it into no man’s land for a bloop single.  Unlucky stuff there, but the off-speed was working so good that at bat I’m surprised he went to a fastball.  Abreu takes ball one, fastball gets a big swing but it’s fouled off, fastball is low and Alexei steals second.  2-1 high curveball drops into the zone, curve is barely tipped foul, fastball low, then a change-up on the hands absolutely eats him up for a routine grounder to third for a huge out.  Surprised to see a change there for a big 3-2 pitch righty-to-righty.  Fastball gets strike one looking on LaRoche, big curveball gets swung over top, change-up is tipped foul, then the 0-2 fastball maybe just off the plate is cut on late for a huge strikeout to get through the inning:

Karns-fastball

Fourth Inning: Karns opens the 4th with a fastball way high to Garcia, curveball is tipped foul, fastball inside eats him up for another tip foul, then Karns climbs the ladder with a heater for a reaching, waving swing for the first out.  Fastball fouled off by Cabrera, curveball in the dirt, fastball high, then I think a hanging change-up on the outside corner is slashed to left for a single.  Cabrera slashed the last one too, really waiting back and swinging hard.  Then whoa, a curveball that went about only 50 feet is spiked and gets to the backstop for a wild pitch.  As in – wildest you’ll see.  So runner at second and a fastball paints the outside corner on Beckham 1-1, fastball on the hands popped foul, then again heater on the hands absolutely ties him up for another K.  Change is outside to Sanchez, fastball in there, then change-up that looked outside gets the call, 1-2.  Karns has been getting a pretty nice zone today.  And why not stay out there?  Outside fastball likely another strike is cut on late and missed, and Karns gets around a single to strike out the side.

Fifth Inning: Fastball in there to Flowers for strike one is Karns’ 70th pitch, curveball tapped foul, curveball barely missed and barely has Flowers holding up 1-2, then a high fastball I thought had Flowers offering but he barely holds up again, curve hit foul, fastball an inch or two low, then a 3-2 fastball gets Flowers swinging with the bat flying into the stands for Karns’ third straight K.  Good to see the fans OK with the bat flying in there with what happened last week.  Eaton fouls the first one off, change low, perfect change-up gets Eaton to swing over it 1-2, then a fastball on the outside edge is pounded into the gap for a single.  It wasn’t hit too hard, but made it through.  Fastball somehow misses the outside corner to Alexei as the strike zone seems to be off-center with a big outside edge to lefties, but tiny on righties.  Fastball just low, 2-0, curveball sweeps into the zone, fastball painting the outside edge is barely low again, 3-1.  Fastball again is roped the other way just foul by 5-6 feet down the right field line, then the payoff pitch is fouled off his foot, one more time is a fastball hit very hard to second, Eaton was running so he is safe easily to only get the one out at first.  Big at bat here with Abreu with a man in scoring position and a curve is high, curve sweeps outside, curve gets the zone 2-1, then another change-up I think – maybe a hanging curve – on the inside edge absolutely saws Abreu off for a flare caught at first to end the inning.

Sixth Inning: At 91 pitches, Karns is outside to LaRoche, curveball gets a big swing over the top it 1-1, then maybe his best change-up on the day gets LaRoche way in front, 1-2:

Karns-changeup

Then a fastball paints the low outside corner for a nasty K.  Awesome stuff there.  Then Garcia chops the first pitch curveball to third for a quick second out.  Whoa, a curveball hanging outside somehow gets strike one on Cabrera, seeing that big zone again, then a hanging curve staying in the zone is flared to left, Joey Butler lays out for it on the line but it gets past him for a bloop double.  A better outfielder makes that play though, and really should’ve been limited to a single either way.  So runner at second, two outs, and a heater is in there to Beckham, heater looked good again but is called low 1-1, interesting pitch dips low 2-1, that looked like a slider or cutter – different movement there – maybe just a curveball that was a little odd.  Hanging curve is high, fastball gets a very late swing and is tipped back, and the payoff pitch is a curveball on the inside edge that is dribbled to third, and Longo makes the play to get Karns out of the inning.  And Karns exits down 1-0 so he gets the no decision, but pitched a hell of a game.

Final Line:  ND  6.0 IP  104 Pitches (70 Strikes)  1 ER  7 Hits  1 Walk  8 K  Gamescore: 61  Gamescore+: 65.2

Final Analysis: Pretty surprising start when I broke it down, as I watched the first inning and Karns had a few loud outs to open it up, but he really looked sharp from there on out.  I’m a little surprised his Gamescore+ came out so much higher than his Gamescore with some “lucky” outs and mostly hard contact hits, but with the big Ks and the fact he only went 6 deep (Gamescore adds additional points for later innings pitched) makes the disparity explainable.

It was really annoying not having the radar gun this game, but Fangraphs has his fastball averaging 91.5 MPH on the season and that seemed about right.  Fastball command was on point in this start, with really none of them left in the heart of the zone.  The big off-speed offering is the kunckle-curve that Karns can both sweep laterally and drop vertically as seen in those first two GIFs.  But I was really surprised with the change-up, which Fangraphs lists as only used 8.4% of the time on the season.  It was keeping lefties off-balance all afternoon with a great off-speed action.  Easily the biggest positive I took out of this start.

While Karns’ line was solid, this was a dream matchup against a bumpy White Sox offense at home in the Trop.  And of the hits he allowed, five were to lefties with only two hits against from righties.  So far his splits aren’t too scary with some really low BAA (.234 v. L .210 v. R), but even with that solid change-up it seemed lefties could spot the ball better.  I should note though, that on the year lefties have a much higher BABIP (.337 before yesterday) then righties (.195), so maybe my concern is unwarranted (small sample still applies though).  It also helped the strike zone had a huge outside corner on lefties all afternoon.  It was consistent, but certainly to Karns’ advantage.

I think Karns is solid, but I’m not leaping him up into the upper edge of streamers/must-own in deepers.  Love the home park and will like him against righty-heavy line-ups, but I worry some clunkers could be ahead if that change-up isn’t working for him.  His next outing at Cleveland with their solid lefties is likely a start I’ll avoid.

Razzball Baseball

JB’s Updated Top 100 SP

(rankings for ROS based on 12-team Roto, green for risers, red for fallers)

RANK SP, Team
1 Clayton Kershaw, LAD
2 Max Scherzer, WAS
3 Chris Sale, CWS
4 Felix Hernandez, SEA
5 Corey Kluber, CLE
6 Madison Bumgarner, SF
7 David Price, DET
8 Johnny Cueto, CIN
9 Gerrit Cole, PIT
10 Zack Greinke, LAD
11 Cole Hamels, PHI
12 Matt Harvey, NYM
13 Chris Archer, TB
14 Jake Arrieta, CHC
15 Sonny Gray, OAK
16 Jacob deGrom, NYM
17 Carlos Carrasco, CLE
18 Jon Lester, CHC
19 James Shields, SD
20 Michael Pineda, NYY
21 Garrett Richards, LAA
22 Danny Salazar, CLE
23 Dallas Keuchel, HOU
24 Francisco Liriano, PIT
25 Michael Wacha, STL
26 Masahiro Tanaka, NYY
27 Jordan Zimmermann, WAS
28 Jeff Samardzija, CWS
29 Stephen Strasburg, WAS
30 Jose Fernandez, MIA
31 Jason Hammel, CHC
32 Carlos Martinez, STL
33 Tyson Ross, SD
34 Trevor Bauer, CLE
35 Andrew Cashner, SD
36 Alex Wood, ATL
37 Gio Gonzalez, WAS
38 A.J. Burnett, PIT
39 Scott Kazmir, OAK
40 Lance McCullers, HOU
41 Taijuan Walker, SEA
42 Clay Buchholz, BOS
43 Jose Quintana, CWS
44 Shelby Miller, ATL
45 Jesse Chavez, OAK
46 Noah Syndergaard, NYM
47 Vincent Velasquez, HOU
48 Mike Fiers, MIL
49 Collin McHugh, HOU
50 John Lackey, STL
51 Carlos Rodon, CWS
52 Julio Teheran, ATL
53 Yordano Ventura, KC
54 Kyle Hendricks, CHC
55 Jake Odorizzi, TB
56 Drew Hutchison, TOR
57 Chase Anderson, ARI
58 Jesse Hahn, OAK
59 Mat Latos, MIA
60 Trevor May, MIN
61 Justin Verlander, DET
62 Rubby De La Rosa, ARI
63 Eduardo Rodriguez, BOS
64 Patrick Corbin, ARI
65 Jimmy Nelson, MIL
66 Mike Foltynewicz, ATL
67 Aaron Harang, PHI
68 Jered Weaver, LAA
69 Rick Porcello, BOS
70 Edinson Volquez, KC
71 Phil Hughes, MIN
72 J.A. Happ, SEA
73 Kevin Gausman, BAL
74 Ian Kennedy, SD
75 Wei-Yin Chen, BAL
76 Alfredo Simon, DET
77 Ubaldo Jimenez, BAL
78 Chris Heston, SF
79 Lance Lynn, STL
80 Matt Shoemaker, LAA
81 Bartolo Colon, NYM
82 Nate Karns, TB
83 Anibal Sanchez, DET
84 Dan Haren, MIA
85 Jaime Garcia, STL
86 Jake Peavy, SF
87 Nathan Eovaldi, NYY
88 Tim Lincecum, SF
89 C.J. Wilson, LAA
90 Hector Santiago, LAA
91 Mike Leake, CIN
92 Hisashi Iwakuma, SEA
93 Aaron Sanchez, TOR
94 Matt Moore, TB
95 Danny Duffy, KC
96 Mike Bolsinger, LAD
97 Kyle Gibson, MIN
98 Chi Chi Gonzalez, TEX
99 Michael Montgomery, SEA
100 Charlie Morton, PIT

Dropped Out: James Paxton, SEA (making no progress with his finger injury), Miguel Gonzalez, BAL (DL – groin), Tim Hudson, SF (meh, hovered in the 90s all year; nothing inspiring), CC Sabathia, NYY (was #100 last week, had to move him out for new blood)

  • As we discussed on the Podcast, the move of Felix Hernandez from 2 to 4 isn’t any sort of panic, but man those top 3 have been so, so good the past month…
  • Big callup for Vincent Velasquez, who had a few too many walks in his debut, but might’ve been jitters which you’d expect.  I didn’t think I’d have him top 50 at first, but it gets scrubby pretty quick out of the 30s.
  • So to address Eduardo Rodriguez, I picture the scene from Spaceballs when Lone Star and crew are walking across the desert and he drops the mega-hairdryer: “WELCOME TO REAL LIFE!”  A rough one, but he will still have value – it certainly wasn’t all smoke and mirrors.
  • All I can say is, my bad on Mike Foltynewicz…  Everything looked like it was happening, and he F-bombed worse than his name.
  • Man, what a start from Mat Latos!  I was so mad I couldn’t stream him in any of my leagues where I was behind IP thinking he would be available, yet a lot of owners held on…  Oh well, I streamed Karns instead, it worked out.
  • I’m sure my continual low Chris Heston rank will get a little more flack this week – luckily he had yesterday’s clunker to keep me looking sane.  He didn’t even look that good against the Mets!  Did you see that strike zone?!  And they had two lefties – TWO!  He’s at .295 average against v. lefties, and .209 v. righties.  That kind of scary split is Shane Greene-esque.  No thank you (although he obviously had to go up some).
  • With Miguel Gonzalez getting hurt, I was pumped to move Kevin Gausman way up, but he’s struggled in rehab starts breeding some pessimism that he goes right into the rotation after recovering from shoulder issues.  I’m still cautiously optimistic.
  • I guess with how well he’s pitched, Jaime Garcia has to make the ranks if there’s some chance the planets have aligned and he stays healthy for 75% of the remaining season.

Thoughts on the ranks?  And what make you of The Wrath of Karns?  Shoot your thoughts below, and happy pitching Razzball Nation!

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Eric B
Eric B
7 years ago

Ha, well we know how to keep a conversation going, that’s for sure. So you like Ventura over Pax for that DL spot. I’m sorta surprised Pax had better numbers than Ventura on the season, I sincerely considered dropping Ventura and holding Pax because Ventura has been so up and down. Yeah Gausman vs Toronto aint exactly the match up you want but that’s what it is. I toyed with grabbing Sano for a stash but I felt like Id need to drop a MI to do it and still needed an arm to stay competitive. At onee point I had Corbin stashed but injuries to Pax, Odorizzi and Soler forced me to drop him and both he and Moore have been scooped up.

Definitely agree on Pollock, and Buxton isnt exactly lighting it up anyway, Schwarber looks more ready with the bat to me. Now he’ll probably get sent down and I dont know if I can afford to still roster him if he does but I’ll cross that bridge on Sunday.

Eric B
Eric B
Reply to  Eric B
7 years ago

@Eric B: And I just read the Cubs Jed Hoyer reiterated Schwarber is still going back down to Triple A on Monday regardless of his performance…sigh.

Eric B
Eric B
Reply to  Eric B
7 years ago

@Eric B: Ok, last comment lol,looked over the wire and saw Hendricks, Rubby, hughes and Karns are available, I could steam the spot tomorrow and decide on Gausman or a stash of Sano later. What do you say Hendricks is the highest rated SP you have listed thats actually available.

Eric B
Eric B
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: Just now saw this lol, dropped Pax but Im gonna be watching him, maybe I can pick him back up when he’s healthy. Yeah I cant in good faith drop Schwarber, even if he does go back to triple A Monday. If only Montero’s back were just a little worse lol.

Well I added Hendricks to stream tonight and then I’m gonna fill my open spot with eithr Gausman or Sano, like one more than the other?

Eric B
Eric B
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: Should have went with Colby, Hendricks got blown up lol. Took your advice dropped Hendricks and added Gausman.

Eric B
Eric B
Reply to  Eric B
7 years ago

@Eric B: Ok we’ve seen Wisler and Gausman; who you got going forward?

Eric B
Eric B
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: Thanks man, not sure I can afford to roster Schwarber(pretty sure he gets sent down tomorrow) and Gausman is the only thing though. Still a ways to go before Odorrizzi, Ventura or Soler return so I cant have to active spots being held by inactive players.

Eric B
Eric B
7 years ago

Thanks again JB for the advice above…had to start a new chain(shocker!) I took another hit with Ventura going to the DL and all my spots are full with Pax, Soler and Odorizzi. Dont know that I can just drop him, but it stretches my roster thin, could drop a bat but I dont know who. No way I can just drop Schwarber right nowimo, even if he does get sent down next week the guy can hit. Maybe I’m wrong, what do you think? Do you see a drop for an arm like Gausman, Ervin Santana or Wisler?

Here’s my roster:
5×5 HTH OBP
Bats
C McCann
1B Freeman
2B Kipnis
3B Santana
SS A.Ramirez
OF Stanton
OF Calhoun
OF Springer
OF Betts
Util Pollock
Util Semien
Util Avisail Garcia
Bench Schwarber
Bench Lindor
DL Soler

Staff
P Kluber
P Chavez
P Cole
P Salazar
P T. Walker
SP Ventura( DL no room)
SP Bauer
RP Chapman
RP Britton
Bench RP Perkins
Bench RP Melancon
Bench SP Velasquez
DL Paxton
DL Odorizzi

I was offered Buxton and Tyson Ross for Pollock and Schwarber but I’m not sure I want to part with Pollock.

D
D
7 years ago

How do you like morton vs Washington -10 on son.

What about walker vs Houston?

Blake
Blake
7 years ago

I picked up folty 2 weeks ago and he proceeded to implode. I only have 6 adds remaining all year. I have the following Pitchers ( I get 15 pts for win and 1 pt for K, 13 team pts league – I can start 7 pitchers)

C Archer
A wood
C McHugh
M Pineda
C rodon
Salazaar
T ross

I need to drop folty – for who? here are some on waiver wire.

L McCullers
Erasamo Ramirez
W Miley
C Morton
Tanner roark
J chavez

D
D
Reply to  Blake
7 years ago

@Blake
Mcullers or Chavez. Flip a coin

D
D
Reply to  D
7 years ago

@D: or drop McHugh or rodon and add both

Swfcdan
Swfcdan
7 years ago

Friggin hate C-Mart and Anibal for what they did to me this year. Both pitched like shizz (well only 2 for C-Mart but they were abominations) and now they are on top form after I cut them. Damn pitching! Well at least I have Hammel, my ONE successful WW grab this year ha.

Wacha is succeeding every week despite pedestrian K numbers. I was worried at first but he is looking so solid each week, it doesn’t seem to be affecting his numbers at all. Is there a bit of Keuchel in him, that he’s getting so many grounders it doesn’t matter if he doesn’t K all that many?

Looking for some buy low pitchers in my deeper league, thinking Latos could be one if he is back (velo reportedly way up too). Any others you can think of worth targeting?

Swfcdan
Swfcdan
Reply to  Swfcdan
7 years ago

@Swfcdan: And interesting to see that you really like Lance-a-lot ha. Pitch him most weeks even in shalllowers?

Mikey
Mikey
7 years ago

What do you think about samrdizja vs Pitt tomorrow? Son hates him

If your rolling on pitching this week I’m trying to win the hits cat now. I have cole vs White sux and Salazar vs cubs. Sit samrdizja ?

Cram It
Cram It
7 years ago

Hey dude. I’m trying to flip Correa for an SP. Where’s the cutoff for you of your lowest ranked starter you’d reasonably accept? I need an everyday guy. Personally, I don’t think I’d take anyone below Hammel, but just need another perspective of what you’d be content with. Cheers!

Cram It
Cram It
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: Yeah, the start Correa is off too, I can probably shoot higher than that injury risk tier. Thanks man! Happy drinking!

Jeff327
Jeff327
7 years ago

Hey how do you think that Iwakuma is going to do for the rest of the year? I have him rotting in my DL spot! Thank you.

Bb
Bb
7 years ago

You starting Hammel @cle and Hendricks @cle
What about Hahn vs angels?

Ryan741
Ryan741
7 years ago

need a trade opinion in a H2H points league. I would be getting Hanley and Jordan Zimmerman, would be giving Cargo and Tanaka. Zim has been bad, but I hate constantly worrying about Tanakas elbow….

Ryan741
Ryan741
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: Hanley is SS eligible, but I also have Tulo right now. But I don’t have any problem moving either Tulo or Hanley to someone else for another SP (thinking someone like Wacha) and just pick up a half decent OF or stream them

Ryan741
Ryan741
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin I was offered Strasburg for my Tanaka or Liriano in my H2H points league. I had Stras earlier in the year, and he’s been moved a couple times since. He scares me, but he still has really good keeper value as he’s a 6th round pick next year. Tanaka’s elbow scares me, and I always worry about Liriano turning back into bad Liriano. But Stras also seems like he’s a mental pussy. I’m torn. Thoughts?

Tsizzle
Tsizzle
7 years ago

Confidence in any of these guys??

Bud Norris @ philly $8.3
Joe ross vs TB $7.0
Sabathia vs Miami $6
Gravman vs SD – 1.8
Hendricks @cleveland – 5.0
Montgomery @sf – $10
Tyler Lyons @philly 19.9
DE la Rosa vs SD $12.9
Elias vs Houston $10.5
Folty vs mets $5
Marcum vs TB $5.7
Robbie ray Vs sd $4.7
May vs cubs $. 5
Happ vs Houston $15.0

Tsizzle
Tsizzle
Reply to  Tsizzle
7 years ago

@Tsizzle: add hutch vs mets $15.7 give me your top 3!

Vogt or Die
Vogt or Die
7 years ago

Hey should I veto this trade? Goldschmidt and richards for archer Soria and belt? And be honest how bad is it?

PapaJeanSegura
PapaJeanSegura
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: I’m so mad this other kid would do this trade cause the owner getting Goldy already has Donaldson and Trout

Dusty Baker
Dusty Baker
7 years ago

Ok call me crazy if you like- BUt – is it out ofthe question to try and Trade Harvey for J Fernandez ? The owner of Fernandez is last in almost all pitching cats., and leads in almost all the Hitting cats. Where as I lead in most of the Pitch cats, and am in middle of all Hiting cats. I know he wont part with any hitters- its an NL Only 5×5, very competitive 10 Team League – The rest of my staff is Cole, Liriano, Desclafiani, Haren, and Morton, Melancon, Rondon, and Zeigler – We pay out to top 4 finishers and each cat winner, charing a modest fee per transaction. So, to chancey to try and offer the trade my Harvey for his J Fernandez ? ——–Thanks for the advice- DB

Bammers
Bammers
7 years ago

12 team redraft league.. 5×5 h2h standard scoring.

Would you trade Byron Buxton for Carlos Martinez or Carlos Rodon?

I am looking for pitching help. We start 3 OF and 2 UTIL. My current OFs are Marte/Adam Jones/Blackmon/Braun/Bautista/Buxton. My SP are DeGrom/Ross/Quintana/Shoemaker/Roark (with Odorizzi and Iwakuma on DL).

Do you make this trade? If so, who do you want?

Bammers
Bammers
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin:

He actually said he would give me C-Mart plus any 1 of the following players: Lindor, Corey Dickerson, Rusney Castillo, Chi Chi Gonzalez, Vincent Velasquez, Carlos Rodon.

Which one do you take? (Redraft)

Bammers
Bammers
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin:

Appreciate your help

chris
chris
7 years ago

Hey JB thanks for the update! I hope you get this tonight or early tomorrow. Let me know what you think of this trade one team needs hitting another pitching 5×5 14 team h2h roto.

Keuchel
Arrieta
Belt

for

Seager
Panic
wood

chris
chris
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

Thanks!

Enemy of the State nice! I’m the keuchel side so good. Thi sis my staff I;m just getting killed in pitching this yer and thought i wouldbe awesome. Would you hold out on that trade and hope for better luck??

Stras
A wood
Ross
Weaver
Fister
De la Rosa
Phelps
Krod
Box Grilli

PED Inc.
PED Inc.
7 years ago

Wow, I got shit on by Folty all week long last week and now it’s started again with Rodon, streaming has not been my friend this year at all.

Nightpandas
Nightpandas
7 years ago

Offered Bruce for Rodon. My current RF is Torii, not sure if it is much of an upgrade…Rodon would be a borderline keeper

larry
larry
7 years ago

Not even a sniff of the top 100 for Descalfini?

Jim Wiser
Jim Wiser
7 years ago

You can drop Rodon down again.

Dorian S.
Dorian S.
7 years ago

Hey JB and Razzball! Both Corbin and Chase are available for pick up. Who should I drop to get them?

Team Starting Roster is C/1B/2B/SS/3B/3OF/UT/3SP/2RP/2P/4BN/2NA, 28 IP Minimum, 8 Keepers.
Scoring is: R/HR/RBI/SB/OBP/SLG/W/SV/K/HLD/ERA/WHIP

C/1B – Yasmani Grandal
C/OF – Kyle Schwarber (NA)
1B/3B – Chris Davis
2B – Joe Panik, Devon Travis (DL), Rougned Odor, Eddie Rosario (OF)
SS – Addison Russell (2B)
3B – Anthony Rendon (2B), Manny Machado
OFs – Steven Souza, George Springer, Justin Upton, Gregory Polanco, Kevin Pillar
SPs – Jacob deGrom, Jake Arrieta, Jesse Chavez (RP), Joe Ross, Alex Meyer (NA), Jake Odorizzi (DL)
RPs – Brad Boxberger, A.J. Ramos, Brad Ziegler

Didn’t even realize I had so many 2Bs until this very moment. No idea why that is. Maybe Rosario for Chase?

Dorian
Dorian
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: Thanks JB! Also thanks as always to the rest of the Razzball crew. I don’t always comment on everything I read, but thanks in general for all of it.

And thanks on the Rosario for Chase. I like Rosario’s potential (I was sitting at 14th of 16th last week, 10th this week, woo), but I figured getting my pitching back in order after trading it away to acquire Justin Upton was probably better for me long term.

As for Pillar for Corbin, I just picked up Pillar! lol

As far as keepers, I think I’m set there. Odor was more of a “I don’t want anyone else getting him if he continues mashing”. I lost out on so many great rookies/potentials this season (except possibly Devon Travis).

If I go by both of the lists you guys have, I’ve got for keepers: 1B Chris Davis, 2B Anthony Rendon, 2B Devon Travis, 3B Manny Machado, OF George Springer, OF Steven Souza, OF Gregory Polano, OF Justin Upton, SP Jake Arrieta, and SP Jacob deGrom.

Which is pretty much where I was considering for keepers. Though Travis is on my possible keepers if he comes back and starts mashing off the DL.

Dorian
Dorian
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin:
Definitely heard that and hoping he plays his way onto the squad. Add him in and my hitting will just be nuts. If I can get my pitching back in order, I might have enough to rebound from my 10th to get into a playoffs spot for this year.

And thanks as always to you JB and the other guys for your work. Give them a heads up for me.

scott steelers
scott steelers
7 years ago

Any Gallardo or graveman love? They’ve been solid for a little bit now… was looking to pick them up possibly. Got a few hitters to drop

scott steelers
scott steelers
Reply to  scott steelers
7 years ago

@scott steelers: Gallardo pitching pretty well right now vs dodgers too

Kiss a Bum
Kiss a Bum
7 years ago

Do you factor in 2-starts to the rankings? Thx

scott steelers
scott steelers
Reply to  Kiss a Bum
7 years ago

@Kiss a Bum: these arent rankings for the week. Rest of season

Dj
Dj
7 years ago

Start may with confidence?

What about rubby this week vs SD $13.7

What’s the lowest ranking pitcher you would stop at if offering a package like Buxton, soler, polanco

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
7 years ago

Meant to ask above, looks like I may be able to trade JoFern and Blackmon (around ferns return) for Kershaw. I’d be picking up a bat like Maybin / Fowler.

I really love Blackmon, but I gotta take that, right? Ferns great, but will he be kershawesque?

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: Thanks, just making sure my ecstatic reaction was warranted when this was first floated to me!

Surfer dude
Surfer dude
7 years ago

Hi, 12 team H2H, please drop 2 in – Hahn, Young, Latos, Velasquez, McHugh, Morton- thanks.

Abe Froman
Abe Froman
7 years ago

Pick 2 closers for the week:

Carson Smith: 4 vs SF, 3 vs HOU
Joakim Soria: 4 vs CIN, 3 vs NYY
K-Rod: 4 vs KC, 3 vs COL

Tom
Tom
7 years ago

Roster crunch. Pick 2 of the following 4 pitchers (2 of whom are on the DL) to keep on my redraft H2H roster. I have a huge lead so September playoff schedule becomes important and is one of the reasons why I don’t just go by your ranks:

Lynn – you have him at 77 but maybe that was before today’s news that it sounds like he’ll stay on the DL for the minimum. But with this flair up there are still health questions. He also has by far best H2H playoff schedule.

Iwakuma – back a little later than Lynn but wondering if the health risk is less since it’s a lat. Has the worst playoff schedule.

T. Ross – is a very good pitcher with a HORRIBLE defense that might keep his numbers average all year. I really disagree with having him 32 on your ranks. You can’t just assume he’ll eventually correct to his FIP or Siera numbers because of that putrid defense. Second worst playoff schedule.

Matz – The hype is crazy but Steamer projections seem to make him out as maybe a top 35 pitcher WHEN HE IS UP which now sounds like 7/1 according to New York Post. He will also be somewhat innings limited. He has a slightly below average playoff schedule.

Thanks for your help all year!

Tom
Tom
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: I’m going with Ross/Lynn like you said but on Ross – I think you have to throw out his past BABIP don’t you? He has a whole new defense now. The infield MIGHT be average but the OF is really bad. I think they’s allow a lot of hits they would not have been allowed last year.

Tom
Tom
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: Yeah, that one hurt. I’m going back to wondering if I should drop him instead of Iwak or Matz. Why do you think Matz won’t be pitching much in September? Will the Mets be totally out of the wild card race or will they be trying to save him for the playoffs? I just need him for the 3rd last & second last weeks of the season.

longbeachyo
longbeachyo
7 years ago

Yo! JB! Wow. What’s the deal with Velasquez? Is he really that good? He’s available in both my leagues. Obviously I’m more inclined to get him in my keeper league. Undrafted he would be a one dollar keeper! Would you drop anyone lower on your list for him? I have hutch, garcia, rubby and bettis… Hey, speaking of bettis. Why don’t you have him ranked? Usually I steer clear of rockies pitchers, but his above average peripherals have me thinking positive. Do hutch, bettis and Velasquez have innings limits I need to worry about?

Also, who would you start instead of Syndergaard (vs tor & atl) this week? Hutch vs nym, rubby vs sd or lance vs sea?

Thanks man! This really is the best stuff on Razzball. You should be writing for fangraphs! Grey needs to pay you more money. Or fire Tehol and give you his money! Or at least give you some of his mustache whiskers…

longbeachyo
longbeachyo
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: SYNDERGAARD! I benched him in one league but started him in another…

jay
jay
7 years ago

Drop karns or happ to pick up j nelson, w chen or gausman? All are ranked in the same area so just curious since nelson is trending down and gausman got a huge bump.

PED Inc.
PED Inc.
7 years ago

Who do you like better this week better in a h2h points league…

Quintana @ Pitt and vs. Texas
Or
Velasquez vs. Col and @ Sea
Or
Rodon @ Pitt and vs. Texas

PED Inc.
PED Inc.
Reply to  PED Inc.
7 years ago

@PED Inc.: would you start any of these over a one start Girenke at home vs. Texas?

Jerry
Jerry
7 years ago

Hey, JB………………..Buch, Chavez, Latos, or Santiago for ros? Thanks!

Mike
Mike
7 years ago

Do you like hutch start against the mets $15.7

Db
Db
7 years ago

If may pitches a gem tonight is he a must add 12 team league

Eric B
Eric B
7 years ago

My man, just got back from the OBX (great trip with the Mrs. but it did cost me to miss out on Buxton; which I’m still crying about on the inside) logged on and saw the new rankings. I just saw your response on the May-B thread from last week, so that answers my question in regards to my addition of Lindor… appreciate it. Speaking of Lindor I added him instead of adding Gausman, wise choice based on my current roster and rumors that Gausman may go back to the pen afterall?

Also what are your thoughts on my other two MI’s, Alexi and Semien. I’ve added Lindor to hopefully boost my OBP and R’s. Alexi has stole a few bases and Semien can play 2B/SS/3B so I’ve stuck with them both but each are struggling a bit. My question is do you think I should add Jace Peterson in one of their spots or hold tight? I’m worried he’s going to cool off and not offer much more than my current guys and I’m already going to face some tough decisions as is once Soler, Pax and Odorrizzi return from the DL. Hopefully I have enough pitching to stay competitive until I get them back.

Here’s my roster:
5×5 HTH OBP
Bats
C McCann
1B Freeman
2B Kipnis
3B Santana
SS A.Ramirez
OF Stanton
OF Calhoun
OF Springer
OF Betts
Util Pollock
Util Semien
Util Avisail Garcia
Bench P.Alvarez
Bench Lindor
DL Soler

Staff
P Kluber
P Chavez
P Cole
P Salazar
P T. Walker
SP Ventura
SP Bauer
RP Chapman
RP Britton
Bench RP Perkins
Bench RP Melancon
Bench SP Velasquez
DL Paxton
DL Odorizzi

Eric B
Eric B
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: Yeah we were at mile post 16.5, right on the beach, the weather was spot on! As for my roster, that’s kinda what I was thinking too, must be that Carolina state of mind we share lol. Thanks for the feedback, really appreciate you taking the time to do these and answer all our questions!

Eric B
Eric B
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: Think there’s any upside with Robbie Ray or Erasmo? I know they arent ranked but theyve been pitching well.

Eric B
Eric B
Reply to  Eric B
7 years ago

@Eric B: Also any concern with Vinny V, nice to see the K’s and less walks but he got roughed up a bit…

Eric B
Eric B
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: Thanks man, just like to have some contingencies should Ventura not bouce back healthy or any other arms falter. As for Vinny, he’s definitely worth riding and seeing how he progresses, I like Vinny V, especially with Odorrizzi and Pax on the DL.

Eric B
Eric B
Reply to  Eric B
7 years ago

@Eric B: OMT(ha imagine that)I dropped Pedro Alvarez to add Schwarber before heading out to work yesterday. Then later in the day I found out he’s likely only up for a week. Now the guy has been outperforming Bryants #’s in double A so I thought he was a smart add but maybe not so much if he’s only up a week.Alvarez hasnt been very hot lately and is sitting against lefties quite often so I’m not sure he’s a huge loss. Which brings me to my actual question, would you hold Schwarber or should I add Gausman before Saturday(when he’s rumored to be in line to possibly start and throw 80-85 pitches).Just curious to see how you’d handle it with my roster(listed above). I could keep Schwarber, I could drop him for Gausman, or I could drop him for a stash of Olivera. The real problem is I’ll have to create 3 spots for Soler, Odorrizzi and K-Pax so I’m not sure that I wont have to drop one or more of my MI’s and get creative regardless of who I add.

roger roger
roger roger
7 years ago

Would you give up Braun (his thumb being what it is: a ticking time bomb) for someone in the deGrom, Lester, Richards range? (Aiming for higher, but not sure I’ll get it.)

Funketown
Funketown
7 years ago

JB – 10 team keeper league. I was offered Felix Herandez (can’t keep) for my Joc Pederson (2oth round keeper spot) and Carson Smith (24th round) keeper. Is there anything wrong with Felix? should i stall for another start to make sure? Pederson will probably be the #1 keeper for next year considering his keeper/draft spot

JT
JT
7 years ago

JB

Your analysis has made me a beast the past 2 seasons! You are the MAN! Who has the most upside and chance of productivity the rest of the season…. Taijuan Walker or Noah Synngaard? Thanks! Look forward to your posts and podcasts

Ante GALIC
Ante GALIC
7 years ago

JB!!!

Great work, thanks so much as always!

Have a good week, man!

Cheers,
Ante

Gonzo_The_Great
Gonzo_The_Great
7 years ago

JB the Wise,

My pitching sucks this year. The absolute pits. I’ve got an injured Ivan Nova and an injured James Paxton sitting on my bench (with no spare DL spot to use to stash them). Either worth dropping to take a chance on Matz?

Bryce Krispie Treats
Bryce Krispie Treats
Reply to  Gonzo_The_Great
7 years ago

@Gonzo_The_Great: id drop nova for matz if you have the room… very intriguing to me, esp. if they are willing to push syndergaard to the pen for him.

Scott
Scott
7 years ago

Karns delivery is pretty boring. Not buying it.

Jake Taylor
Jake Taylor
7 years ago

JB

Whats your take on Corbin for this year?

The old Professor
The old Professor
7 years ago

No Edinson Volquez in top. 100?

Bryce Krispie Treats
Bryce Krispie Treats
7 years ago

Hey JB,

Need a little advice here. Im definitely offense heavy here, but I try to beat my opponents by quantity in pitching… (5×5, 12 team). I lead the league in every offensive category, and I dont want to mess with that.

Offense – Vogt, Goldy, Kendrick, Arenado, Correa, Harper, Marte, Polanco, Pujols, and Tomas

Pitching – Cole, Price, Arrieta, Soria, AxMan, McCullers, Corrasco, Wood, Fiers, Hutchison, and a few streamers…

I just traded Franco and Rodon for Arrieta (keeper league). Do you think I should wait it out with Wood, Fiers, and Hutchison? They are killing my ERA and WHIP. Also, any guys that I should pick up that you have your eye on?

Thanks as always!

Pouss-Pouss
Pouss-Pouss
7 years ago

Getting Lester for Kemp is a no-brainer in any format, right?

PED Inc.
PED Inc.
7 years ago

What do you think about Fister for the rest of season? When I look at last years stats he was a solid number 2 on a pitching staff but early this year he put up streamer numbers. With him coming of the DL this week and looking solid in his rehab starts what class would you put him in?
As always thanks for all the hard work brother!

Paul
Paul
7 years ago

no love for gallardo?

Five-On-One
Five-On-One
7 years ago

One more question for you, sir. I rad that Strasberg is making a rehab start Wed. What does that mean for his estimated date to start for the Nats again. Zimm is the Nat’s starter Wed. Perhaps Zimm goes to the DL when Stras comes off? Your insight is welcome.

Birdis
Birdis
7 years ago

1. Overloaded on offense and will be even more overloaded once Soler and V-Mart come off the DL. Was thinking of offering up C. Davis for Wacha as a start. Good move or other thoughts to help with this dilemma?
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Yahoo H2H 1yr League (10 teams)
Batter Stats: R, H, HR, RBI, SB, AVG, OBP, SLG
Pitcher Stats: W, SV, K, ERA, WHIP, K/9, QS, HLD
Roster: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, CI, MI, OF, OF, OF, OF, OF, Util, SP, SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, RP, RP, P, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL

C: S. Perez
1B: Goldschmidt
2B: Kipnis
3B: Donaldson
SS: Bogaerts
CI: Rizzo
MI: Wong
OF: Cespedes
OF: Pederson
OF: Gonzalez
OF: Myers
OF: Dickerson
UT: Bryant
BN: C. Davis (1B, 3B), L. Martin (OF)
DL: Soler, V. Martinez

SP: Kluber, Arrieta, Gray, Pineda, Fiers, Garcia
RP: Perkins, Rondon, Ramos, Joe Smith

Five-On-One
Five-On-One
7 years ago

Hey JB – a couple of questions on pitchers not in your top 100.

CC Sabathia – two starts next week, both at home, one vMIA, the other vPHI. With those matchups is he worth starting in a 12 teamer? Same question for RADickey. He is at home against the Mets and then at TB. I’ve already grabbed Hutchison (despite his last start) for his two starts (at home vMETS and @TB).

I also have Fiers and McHugh making two starts. Fiers is @KC and at home vMETS. McHugh is @COL and @LAA. I think I have to sit McHugh. He has been brutal lately and @COL might be ugly. And I seem to sit Fiers for all his good starts. I am planning on starting him this week, so look out!

Thanks for the help.

Five-On-One
Five-On-One
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: So, for this week only given the matchups specified in my first question, Sabathia and Hutchison over McHugh and Fiers? And leave Dickey on the wire?

Cheese
Cheese
7 years ago

When does Jordan Zimmermann take a big fall in the rankings? Nothing in his numbers are that exciting this year.

Sherm
7 years ago

JB, mi amigo. Let’s hear it from you: ROS Iwakuma Cain Ventura Ross Bucholz. Rank them. Thanks mucho, sir.

Cheese
Cheese
Reply to  Sherm
7 years ago

@Sherm: Or you could just use his rankings above???????

Dave
Dave
7 years ago

Is McHugh droppable in 12 and 10 team if you want to stream his spot

Bb
Bb
7 years ago

Mcullers or Chavez?
Ros

RotoLance
7 years ago

I commend you for having dropped McHugh in the rankings that you did LAST WEEK. I totally agreed with it. At about the same time Fangraphs came out with ‘consensus rankings’ and they were all still pretty high on him. Myself, I chose to put a FAAB bid and ultimately claim McCullers (10 team league probably explains why he was still around a week ago) instead of McHugh, so here’s me patting myself on the back. Oh and count McCullers as another player you seemed to be ahead of the pack on, well done there too.

Dylan
Dylan
7 years ago

Favorite streamer for tomorrow or stay away?
Wada vs cinncy $7.9
Tillman vs philly $5.1
Charlie Morton vs white sucks $4.5
Happ @sf $3.9
Roark @tb

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
7 years ago

Great one!

Would love to hear your thoughts on (1) J. Zimm, (2) Richards, and (3) Thor. Any concerns with these guys?

Zimm, amazingly, hit waivers in my home league (impatient owner, presumably), so I grabbed him up without much thought, assuming that he would give a meh k/9 with very strong ratios ROS.

Richards I just snagged as a “buy low” in a 2:2 trade in my other league (received Blackmon + Richards, gave Moss + Rodon).

Thanks!

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: Great to hear + thanks!

Very pleased with that Blackmon/Richards trade…Rodon has been good but looks ready to implode when the BABIP takes hold.

Unfortunately feel the same with Zimm but, as you said, I was more than happy to drop my streamer or speculative save RP for him!

Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Duda Want to Build a Snowman?
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

@JB Gilpin: same person dropped Vogt (for pierzinsky!!!!) same day! Not sure what that was all about, but was happy to take advantage.

Bob michaels
Bob michaels
7 years ago

12 team h2h have 2 open spots add any of these guys to your team McHugh, may, peavy, rubby de la Rosa, hutch, graveman, Joe ross, Morton or are these guys all streamers?

Wjessereid
Wjessereid
7 years ago

Never been balls deep in anything but females and warm apple pie.

I’ll have to give craft beer a shot sometime.

Wjessereid
Wjessereid
Reply to  JB Gilpin
7 years ago

That hotdog sounded delicious.

TJ
TJ
7 years ago

Any thoughts if Ervin Santana might hold any value when he gets back from his suspension? Is he worth stashing in an NA slot until then as a potential gamble, or would I be better served trying to find a minor leaguer to stash, like Daniel Norris, Matt Wisler, Henry Owens, Andrew Heaney or Jon Gray?

Henry
Henry
7 years ago

Hey JB! thanks for the post.

Would you start Syndergaard in a weekly H2H? Really want his start @ATL but idk about starting him vs TOR.

My opponent is punting saves, so has 11 starts this week. I have 10 if i start Thor, so I’m thinking maybe I just need to try to win era/whip and give up on K’s (he has kershaw, felix, and price)

Thanks!