It’s Day 186 of the quarantine and I’ve washed my hands so many times under hot water they’re braised to perfection so I will eat them. A few hours later:  I don’t have any toilet paper so watch me as I poop out my hands I will also use to wipe. What’s that, you’re only on Day 18? Oh, I started social distancing last November. At the time, I called it “being anti-social.” So, I’ve already given you updated 100-games-played projections in my 2020 fantasy baseball rankings, but this, here, this thing you’re reading here, this is some thoughts on specific 2nd basemen whose value could change based on a shortened season. I’ve already done Corona timeline updates for the 1st basemen and catchers. We had some laughs and then one of you turned that into a whooping cough and we asked you to quarantine in your closet. We’ll give him 72 hours, then check on him. The top 20 2nd basemen for 2020 fantasy baseball were updated with new projections for a 100-game season. Anyway, here’s thoughts on the top 20 2nd basemen for 2020 fantasy baseball with the new Corona timeline:

2. Jose Altuve – It feels like three offseasons ago that the Astros got busted for putting Press Your Luck buzzers on their nipples like they were in a Stanford University experiment. Any hoo! Dudes and five dudettes, if I wasn’t so chicken, I’d move Altuve down about fifty spots in my top 500 and, if I build up the courage, I might still. If they play 100 games, as I’m assuming, Altuve is going to be useless. Like LeMahieu useless; like Kendrick useless — two guys I went over in the 1st basemen on the Corona post. To recap that shizz super quick but with a focus on Altuve, his Steamer projections are a .296 average, which is giving $7.7 worth of value on our auction values. If he just gets a little unlucky, and hits .262 he will get 0.7 in value. $7 less dollars in value brings him to around 70th best overall, and that’s assuming his runs and RBIs stay same hitting .262. You might be thinking to yourself, “Grey, you are handsome eh-eff, but where’s this .262 coming from?” That’s what Altuve hit last year in the 1st half, which is about 100 games. I haven’t moved Altuve down, because he’s in a tier in the top 20 2nd basemen that I say I’m not drafting, but that’s gonna be a 2nd no from me, dawg.

11. Whit Merrifield – I’m not too chicken to lower Whit Merrifield’s ranking. Sorry, Whit truthers — Whitruthers? — but I dinged him. These guys getting by on good vibes and bad farts need to stop. He’s now got an ADP of 55 overall and I’ve moved him to 97 in my top 100 overall (from only 91, but it’s something). His projections from me are 57/9/44/.305/9 in 377 ABs, but since y’all think I’m an absolute fruitcake, his Steamer Projections are 9/14/.282. Sure, there’s runs and RBIs in there too, but no one knows with those, and average is fickle, and I’m social distancing from Merrifield even further. Six feet isn’t enough. Speaking of which…HELLO SHARKS! My product is a six-foot hula hoop. Wear it around your body so you can never get too close! 

22. Gavin Lux – Sigh, this one sucks. Not that I loved him coming into this year, but I did draft him already, so it’s with some regret that I say I moved him from 18 to 22 in the top 20 2nd basemen. He’s just not great on the corona timeline. His Steamer projections are 11/6/.266 and I have to admit I yawned partially through the first and 2nd slash. Hey, Lux, your name says posh, but your stats say snooze. Lux, what am I going to do with you? I left him in a favorable tier, but only ahead of Wong and Newman, whose partial season statlines are a heavy dose of snooze too.

29. Tommy La Stella – Since I feel the need to end this on a happy note, and I can’t find a happy note to end on, I will end on La Stella instead. So, Launch Angle Stella, formal name, looks good on a corona timeline. Still pretty borderline in a mixed league — borderline is also where I push my love — and I haven’t moved him up in the rankings, because, well, I just said, borderline in mixed leagues, but his new projected statline by me:  38/10/41/.291/1 in 289 ABs doesn’t look remarkably different than about fifteen 2nd basemen above him. (For completists out there, Steamer has him for 37/8/32/.275/1). My largest takeaway so far through these Corona rankings redux re-imaginings (say that fast 117 times!) is that your hitters after 150th overall get very clumped together with hitters you find around 250-300 overall. Think of it like this:  If it were August of a normal season and you were in a 12-team mixed league, would you be worried about dropping a guy you drafted around 150th overall? No, you wouldn’t and shouldn’t. So, where you were extending a rope on some hitters in April and May, that rope has tightened already if the season opens in July. Now speaking of ropes, I have to go lasso delivered food off my porch and drag it into my house to avoid touching anything.

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Dan
Dan
2 years ago

I’m in a 10 team Yahoo Roto and I need a bench player who is also an everyday player;

I can get the following off the waiver:
Wong, C. Hernandez, Odor, R. McMahon, Castro, Arreaz, Peraza, Berti, Goodrum .
Too many choices, who should I pick?

Play Ball
Play Ball
2 years ago

In a S+H league. I have Rogers, Neris, N. Anderson and the Astros Ryan Pressly.

Last year Pressly was a dominant setup man and had 31 Holds and 3 Saves. Year before that he had 14 Holds.

My league is very shallow in number of teams and 20 roster spots. Trying to balance S+H counting stats with good ratios and if I should drop Pressly for a closer to keep pace with another team that carries Yates, Chapman, Ottavino and Lugo.

The best remaining closers are Raisel, Colome and Kimbrel (who had a miserable outing in spring training to follow up his miserable 2019). None of them are great from a ratios standpoint with not so great peripherals.

It’s my first time playing in a S+H league and not sure if I’ll get more out of a set-up guy or a closer for counting stats. Would you keep Pressly for Holds count or drop him for one of the closers for Save counts?

Mordacious Levator
Mordacious Levator
2 years ago

16 teamer roto near dynasty (we can keep 1 each of the starting hitter positions but NOT the 4th any OF and NOT the IF slot, can keep the 1 util. also 5 max SP and 5 max RP, and in addition up to 10 elig prospects per year). slugging, OBP, holds+ saves (not just saves), QS added, K/9 added
3rd round of slow draft, i obtained e.suarez and w.smith (LAD) in 1st 2 rounds. we had been a 20 teamer till now.
C w.smith
1B rhysus
2B mostsuckass (3B)
3B suarez
SS story
IF lux (could slot to one of the 10 prospect slots)
LF mcneil (2B/3B/RF)
CF laureano (RF)
RF harper
OF ketel one (2B/SS/CF)
util otani (hitter only)
prospect slots: o.cruz, larnach, kelenic, brujan, n.jones
SP (want 7 or 8): marquez, ryu, clevinger, ed rod, matz (but could drop to improve on him)
RP (max 5): giles, buttrey, iglesias, ginkel
prospects: d.garcia, puk

was about to draft antana but missed him by 2 picks. only prospects that have gone so far are rutschman/vaughn/abrams. most of the top guys are owned and it’s probably too early to go them now. best options:
hitter (otani will have tons of off time): voit, walker, tsutsugo, hampson (the steals are my only weak points really, and not even that weak), arraez (but no slugging)
SP: heaney, stroman, musgrove, j.gray (COL), pineda, weaver, skubal, bundy, f.peralta (could SP slot him even if he stays 8th inning guy), a.wood, canning
RP: (probably don’t need to draft my last guy here till much later): pagan, duffey, d.castillo, montero, wittgren, barlow, karinchak, clase many others

was thinking hampson, then start hitting the SP and some prospects later as i already have some pretty top end types.

183414
183414
2 years ago

Love my power walks. Walkers so courteous, going from walking path to bike lane. Now that I’m re-invigorated.
2 general questions about 15th/16th rounds- picks 149/152

After 14 rounds:

Arenado
Turner
Ketel
Alonso
Hiura
Eloy
Darvish
Rosario
M.Chapman
A. Chapman
Luzardo
Wheeler
Edman
Urias

need 2 catchers, 1 util., 2 o.f.’s, 2-3 s.p’s, 1-2 r.p.’s

Planning on taking s.p. or r.p. , depending on availability, and an o.f.

Would you be targeting any specific players in that adp range, not knowing, of course, if they’ll be there.

2 multi positions players so far: Ketel/Edman

Thanks Grey

Coolwhip
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Dannys, JD Davis, Kingery, maybe Joc probably best that come to mind in that range

183414
183414
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

They’re all there with 3 picks ahead of me. Couple of s.p.’s, couple of r.p.’s I like. Kind of like the 10th slot better. At least I can take whichever 2 I want. With the 9th pick, have to resort to prayer. Sometimes it works and sometime it doesn’t.

183414
183414
Reply to  183414
2 years ago

All but Dannys, who went 47 picks ago.

183414
183414
Reply to  Coolwhip
2 years ago

Dannys gone at pick 100.

183414
183414
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Dannys gone in the 11th round. Yeah, I like JD, Dozier, and Kingery. Joc goes a little later, but like his 1b eligibility.

Agree on an o.f. Any preference for s.p. or r.p. ? Have 4 s.p.’s and Aroldis.

183414
183414
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Don’t want to mention the s.p.’s and r.p.’s just in case; still 3 picks ahead of me. Hopefully you’ll be around when I’m up.

183414
183414
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Damn, Rogers and Ryu just went.

Available: Hand/Paxton/Maeda/Odorizzi

Kingery/JD/Dozier

I would take Kingery here @149, and take 1 of the pitchers @152. Odorizzi is going at around 175, so he’s still possibly a get @169.
I’d probably rank them Hand-Paxton-Maeda-Odorizzi, with adp a consideration.
You said JD, but your projected numbers over 100 games seem to favor Kingery. Mercado also still available.

183414
183414
Reply to  183414
2 years ago

naaagh, Mercado is gone.
Going to walk my dog….look forward to your reply.
Dozier batting 4th…and steals a few bases. Kingery a 5 tool guy w/ multi position, as do Dozier and JD.

183414
183414
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Back from walking Charlie. Any problem w/taking Kingery over Dozier and JD @149, and then 1 of Hand, Paxton, Maeda, Odorizzi, who I can possibly get @169 (adp is 175).

Coolwhip
Reply to  183414
2 years ago

Who are all these people letting Alonso fall to the 4th?! smh, and why are they never in my leagues? sigh. Looking good bro.

183414
183414
Reply to  Coolwhip
2 years ago

This best ball Cool. I could have taken him @29, but wanted Ketel 1st, so took him @32. All on my own. Didn’t even ask. Though Dave told me Grey would have said take him @29. haha

Coolwhip
Reply to  183414
2 years ago

lol yes, Grey will take Alonso in the second round of any draft without fail. Right best ball, still though, lol. In my Razzslam he was gone by second pick of Round 2… hmmm… might have been a Greybot.

183414
183414
Reply to  Coolwhip
2 years ago

In 1 of mine he went in the 2nd. In another he went right before me @28. Guess I rolled the dice w/ Ketel. Love all 3 of those s.s.’s Albies, Ketel, and Hiura.

183414
183414
Reply to  Coolwhip
2 years ago

Yeah thanks Cool, happy with the team so far. Thank goodness for you guys. Can’t conceive of my retirement life w/out baseball !!!

Licketty Splits
Licketty Splits
2 years ago

Got one takerso far so just one more warm body & it’s full again.
Thanks Grey & .thanks to whoever joined & the next to grab that last spot

ozunaiknow
ozunaiknow
Reply to  Licketty Splits
2 years ago

I am still counting 11

Licketty Splits
Licketty Splits
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Many thanks we are full …drafting in 23 min. Thanks to those who joined. On a positive note I went from drafting 12th to picking 4th when they reshuffled the draft slots once the league filled again.

Licketty Splits
Licketty Splits
2 years ago

So it looks like an RCL we had going for tonight now is a guy short. This also also happened to me last year with one of the free leagues.My personal feelings are if you join a league you commit to drafting & participating. I think perhaps that is a flaw of the free RCLs
Anyhoo ….if someone wants to join the league there is one opening in RCL43
To make it easy…here is the link (I hope) Please join & kick my ass.
Just checked & now it’s 2 openings …I assume if a league is not full then it does not count toward the RCL championship.
The draft is tonight @ 7PM CDT. Since we are all bored & social distancing …lets make the best of it & have some drafting fun. Here’s the link:

https://www.fantrax.com/newui/fantasy/joinLeague.go?leagueId=yepu8hzfk62zljp1&isSubmit=y

KrazyIvan
KrazyIvan
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

I’m in an plan on drafting next to a campfire. Chicos Bail Bonds is drafting and you know what that means….bad news for RCL43!!

KrazyIvan
KrazyIvan
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Thought you would get the bad news bears reference

William Hung
William Hung
2 years ago

@Grey: Saw your Alonso comment too late last night but to answer your Q, so far Alonso is batting around .200 with 3 HRs – Game 7 is currently streaming

William Hung
William Hung
Reply to  William Hung
2 years ago

More interesting is that this sim is playing JD Davis every game so far at 3B and batting cleanup behind Alonso

William Hung
William Hung
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Mets are 1-6 in this sim

183414
183414
2 years ago

Btw, your 1st few opening sentences were hysterical. Love your sense of humor.

ozunaiknow
ozunaiknow
2 years ago

Wondering how you feel about some not on the very top of the list players. Tim Anderson batted 6th to 7th now prolly leadoff or second. Might help the run category. Ashamed to ask but Starling Castro. I heard might bat 3rd for Washington. Understandable he has been ignored but you look his stats, its not that bad. Lastly Kolten Wong is said to be a candidate and a strong one to lead off. You think any of these situations presents itself to fantasy relevance ? Opinion on Carlos Martinez ? He is always available even in deeper drafts.

Thank you for your good work. Razzball is the place to be for any fantasy study.

Coolwhip
Reply to  ozunaiknow
2 years ago

I love me some CMart along with Grey! especially now on the corona timeline. Heres my sleeper post if interested: https://razzball.com/carlos-martinez-2020-fantasy-baseball-sleeper/

eballs
eballs
2 years ago

Thanks for keeping the content coming Grey. You’re definitely helping us get through these times! I was wondering if you could give your thoughts on my RCL team I drafted a few weeks back.

C: Will Smith
1B: Olson
2B: Moustakas
SS: Mondesi
3B: Donaldson
CI: Abreu
MI: Biggio
OF: Acuna
OF: Dannys Antana
OF: Willie Calhoun
OF: Akiyama
OF: Hays
UTIL: Swanson

SP: Giolitto
SP: Glasgow
SP: Gallen
SP: Weaver
SP: Houser
SP: Civale
RP: Diaz
RP: Doolittle
RP: Bradley
Bench: Pressly, Pomeranz, Poche

eballs
eballs
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Yeah it was either Gallen or Odorizzi who I probably could’ve got a round later.

183414
183414
2 years ago

Mercado and Ryu stand the best chance to be there @149. Around 146 adp. According to your projections, you have Biggio a drop ahead of Mercado and then Edman and then Polanco.

Hendriks and Ryu ranked close to each other but you get negative for hits and earned runs, which would favor Hendriks/ Rogers. I can’t figure the pitching points as easily as hitting points.

183414
183414
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

I have to assume if I don’t take Mercado now @129, the guy ahead may well take him (or biggio) as he doesn’t have a 2b. or c.i. Hope he doesn’t read razzball and takes Urias in the next 2 picks. He already has 5 s.p.’s.

183414
183414
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

We’ll soon see. Ryu is ranked ahead of Urias on the draft board, so here’s hoping. I bet he’ll now take Biggio, but will he take a 6th s.p., and will that be Urias.

Dave D
Dave D
Reply to  183414
2 years ago

Well, when EdRod wins the Cy Young this year, don’t blame me. I tried pimping him, Andrew!

183414
183414
Reply to  Dave D
2 years ago

I would have taken him @109/112, but he was already taken.

183414
183414
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

No 2nd r.p. yet I presume, even if he takes Urias ?

183414
183414
Reply to  183414
2 years ago

He took Hendriks and Gurriel Jr.

183414
183414
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Thanks as always Grey Man. I also call my grandson Gray Man. Feel honored !!

183414
183414
2 years ago

Mercado also available.

183414
183414
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Well, if I move Ketel to the o.f. I have 3 o.f.’s, but then no m.i.

Mercado over Edman ?

Urias over Hendriks ?

183414
183414
Reply to  183414
2 years ago

Edman would give me m.i. and c.i. cover, and I can flip Ketel to o.f., as i have Hiura.

183414
183414
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Going to take Edman now, and if he grabs Urias, I’ll draft Ryu over Hendriks, makes sense ? Already have Aroldis, Darvish/Luzardo/Wheeler.

183414
183414
2 years ago

129/132- Available hitters: Biggio
Edman
Seager
Gurriel Jr.
Polanco

Pitchers: Hendriks
Jansen
Rogers
Urias
Diaz
Hand
Ryu

I like Edman’s multi position, Biggio’s upside, Gurriel’s bat, and Polanco as a util./s.s.

I like Hendriks, Rogers, Urias, and Ryu in that order.

Like to hear your take. On the clock.

Guy in front of me has back to back picks.

andrew edenbaum
andrew edenbaum
2 years ago

Thinking of going after an of or m.i. and a 4th s.p. or 2nd r.p. @129/132, depending who’s available. A m.i. would allow me to turn Ketel into my 3d o.f. Pitching depends on who is available.

andrew edenbaum
andrew edenbaum
2 years ago

Btw, Lynn and Montas were gone when I came [email protected]/112.
I actually went against your rankings and took Luzardo. I did read your fantasy sleeper on him and that was way before spring training and the shortened season. Assuming the A’s are legit, and we’re looking at 100 games, and given his outstanding stuff (and how he’s rocketed up the boards) I wanted to own him somewhere.
Then had to decide among Lamet, Gallen, and Wheeler. Like the Phillies with Girardi, and per your projections, with innings and k’s, I took Wheeler. As you said, he’s been pretty good in the 2nd half and looks like we’re going to get mainly a 2nd half.

Eli Man Penguin Boy
Eli Man Penguin Boy
Reply to  andrew edenbaum
2 years ago

i would think if anything that wheeler argument goes against him, he’s only been good the last 2 years AFTER 3ish months had been played. here 3 months in will be near end of entire season (by this “metric” he’ll start doing well in like september or maybe late august if we buy his “curve” the last 2 years). obviously this isn’t any kind of “metric”. if it’s just the hot weather he likes and it took till late june/early july to get hot in NY well in that case i guess yeah he’ll start out great then suck by september or so.

rhodyballer
rhodyballer
2 years ago
Chin Music
Chin Music
2 years ago

Hi Gray,

I’m in a 12 team keeper roto league, 7 x 7. Added cats are Batter K, Batter XBH, Holds, and QS, and Pitcher BB replaces WHIP. Each team keeps 10-12 (I got 10), for a total of 125, then we drafted the remainder. There is an added roster spot for a NA player. There is no penalty for keeping a player, and once you have him, you can keep him forever. You just declare your 10-12 each year (# determined by where you finished the prior season)

Pre-plague, I put on my Trader Chin G.M. hat and made a series of trades of upsidey guys like Gore, Lux and Lamet, and some draft picks, and I also sold high on Arenado.

We’ve drafted and the full team is looking like this:

C W. Smith
1B Abreu
2B Albies
3B Moncada
SS Correa
LF Soto
CF S. Marte
RF Mercado
U Eloy Jimenez
Bench Puig

SP1 Buehler
SP2 Clevinger
SP3 Nola
Sp4 Paxton
SP5 Odorizzi
SP6 Urquidy
Sp7 R. Hill
Sp8 Kopech

RP1 Knebel
RP2 H.Harvey
RP3 Lorenzen
RP4 W.Harris
RP5 Karinchak

IL J.Hicks
NA Nate Pearson

also, I took Severino with a late pick (right after another huy took sale) for the 2nd IL slot in case there are no games until 2021.

Draft was 2 weeks ago, I was figuring at the time it was highly doubtful any games would be played before mid-May. Now, I think it’s a longshot we get any 2020 season and I don’t know what happens with this roster.

I got pretty shut out of the decent closers, but I think I can address it and shoot for not being the worst in the league at saves, while trying to be the best at holds. As soon as teams drop out of contention, they always look to cash in their closers.

Chin Music
Chin Music
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Hoping to turn Mercado and a SP into a RF power bat. Yeah, I’ll be chasing saves and monitoring handcuffs. Worst case I can always get a closer or 2 if I am willing to burn a 2021 (supplementa) draft pick. Closers in this league are a lot easier to acquire than keeper-quality position players in their 20s, and top 25 starting pitchers under age 30.

Wake Up
2 years ago

I see Hiura benefiting the most and likely ends up as the top 2B.

Coolwhip
Reply to  Wake Up
2 years ago

don’t disagree, Baez might benefit too, last 2 seasons he has come out of the gate hot

Wake Up
Reply to  Coolwhip
2 years ago

Could be…I’ve been targeting Albies or Hiura at that time in the draft

Coolwhip
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Ketel is interesting case, last year he had those crazy 20 HR in 1st half, then in 2nd half his AVG jumped way up. So in a short season, I wonder which Ketel we’ll get.

Coolwhip
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Yeah last year i predicted 12-13 in the 2nd half, and he indeed had 12. So i think you are on the money there. 15 is probably the over/under line. He’s probably the top bet to win the NL batting title in short season.

The Great Knoche
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Belated April Fools

The Great Knoche
Reply to  The Great Knoche
2 years ago

Belated April Fools.

Wake Up
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Had him all over the place last year

Wake Up
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

I’m in the middle of doing 100 Turkish get ups at present!

Wake Up
Reply to  Wake Up
2 years ago

with a ketel bell

Wake Up
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

My dumplings are definitely steaming.

Wake is getting upset!

Big Ticket
Big Ticket
2 years ago

Thanks for these updates, Grey! My question is on the rationale for injury prone guys, especially the Sano/Dozier/Walker types. Their 100 game projections are great, but they don’t necessarily play 100, then get hurt and call it in. They get hurt part way through, then miss a bunch of time. So who’s to say they wouldn’t get hurt 60 games into 2020 and miss the last 30? You seem to say they’ll play the whole season, but I’m wondering why they wouldn’t be more likely to play the same percentage of the season that they did in past seasons?

Eli Man Penguin Boy
Eli Man Penguin Boy
Reply to  Big Ticket
2 years ago

h.dozier missed 82 games total over the last 3 years, 60 of those with an oblique in 2017. if you meant c.walker he’s missed 3 games total over the last 2 years all 3 of those in 2018 with a sinus bone fracture, walker certainly doesn’t seem injury prone. h.dozier had one long term injury in 3 seasons. if you meant b.dozier just don’t draft him for almost any sized league. sano is a fat dude who’s missed 35.5 games per year over the last 4, so no argument there. never once less than 24 in any of those years.

Wake Up
Reply to  Eli Man Penguin Boy
2 years ago

Sano is also in the BSOHL and is moving to 1B and is going to lead the league in HR.

Eli Man Penguin Boy
Eli Man Penguin Boy
Reply to  Wake Up
2 years ago

i’d easily believe he could lead the league in HR’s, but that’s not a new thing, he always could’ve.

Eli Man Penguin Boy
Eli Man Penguin Boy
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

outside of sano the 3 he listed we have no reason to believe they are likely to be injured, esp c.walker. a guy who’s missed 35.5 games per year across the last 4 (all for shins, hamstrings and heels) sure is though.

Eli Man Penguin Boy
Eli Man Penguin Boy
Reply to  Eli Man Penguin Boy
2 years ago

and that average isn’t schewered by one large number with a bunch of very small numbers they range from 24-49 per year.

Cyler
Cyler
2 years ago

Well it happened. My main league finally drafted. Wanted to get feedback. 10 team dynasty league. 6 x 6 with OPS and SV+H.

C – Omar Narvarez
1B – Rizzo
2B – Moustakas
3B – Bregman
SS – Trea Turner
OF – Trout
OF – Yordan
OF – Springer
UT – Austin Meadows
UT – Moncada
BN – Mark Canha
BN – Carlos Santana
BN – Victor Robles
BN – Carter Kieboom
BN – Sam Hilliard

SP – Flaherty
SP – Darvish
SP – Zac Gallen
SP – Zach Wheeler
RP – Giovanny Gallegos
RP – Nick Anderson
P – Zach Britton
P – Hector Maris
BN – Aaron Nola
BN – Mitch Keller

The Harrow
The Harrow
Reply to  Cyler
2 years ago

why the 5 BN bats?

Cyler
Cyler
Reply to  The Harrow
2 years ago

Sorry we have 3 UT spots. So it’s 4. And I just drafted them as fillers. I normally stream at least 2 pitchers. So it’s likely those spots will be very fluid to what I need that day / week.

The Harrow
The Harrow
Reply to  Cyler
2 years ago

in a 10 teamer that makes more sense than anywhere else (more than deeper anyway), as the replacement level bat (or pitcher) will be quite strong. if you don’t have moves limits you can destroy your competition here, esp if h2h. i’d still lean towards less BN hitters, but if you can just move around 3 or so roster spots a day it’s not a big deal.

what you should do with all those roster spots is find SP elig holds or saves guys to plug in every day if possible. find those and turn those 4 BN bats into at most 2.

Cyler
Cyler
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Awesome! Great advice. I was thinking the same thing of basically dropping my bench bats and adding arms. And maybe some bats as needed on off days ect.

Thank you!

Beware the Shit Rope
Beware the Shit Rope
2 years ago

ugly tale of 2 deepish leagues with karinchak (put in minors with the reasoning appearing to be that season is starting late enough such that clase will be back by then)

1. 16 teamer h2h with holds/QS added, have these RP (max 7, but i generally run with an 8 SP/6 RP 1 BN hitter group, it tends to work well while also racking up holds/ratios/saves and innings for the wins/K’s/QS’s)
SP: carrasco/lynn/corbin/musgrove/gausman/gibson/cueto/wright
RP: d.castillo/rogers/magill/kintzler/magill/barlow/karinchak (so here i didn’t want him getting saves anyway, but i DID want him in MLB of course)

2. 20 team redraft h2h with same settings except innings themselves are a category (but i’m rocking the 8 SP/5 RP (max 5 unless somebody had a SP elig, even then i’d probably be best off doing 8 SP from the innings category)
SP: clevinger, lynn, j.gray (should’ve gone musgrove over gray here), archer, gibson, gausman, wright, junis (streamer here)
RP: osuna, barlow, watson, gott, karinchak

1. options (unless just holding should be done, which it might, a LOT of shit could change before MLB starts again): clase, wittgren, hirano, rico rod, lorenzen, romo, chafin, kolarek, a.miller, t.rogers (SF), bass, soria
2. options: mostly same, add ginkel, wick, crick, duffey, subtract romo, hirano,

Beware the Shit Rope
Beware the Shit Rope
Reply to  Beware the Shit Rope
2 years ago

oh yeah, if lynn sucks this year i’m in pretty deep shit by the by, including slow drafts pretty sure i now have that dude in maybe 90ish% of drafted leagues including slow drafts. all are QS leagues so that’s a plus. he’s ridiculously cheap ADP compared to both you and rudy’s QS rater says he should be. this pointed out months ago too by one reg.

Beware the Shit Rope
Beware the Shit Rope
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

not worried about lynn clearly, or i wouldn’t just keep drafting him constantly, just noticing how badly this would hurt if he sucks. looking mostly for solid ratio holds guys (in these leagues though very often i end up with like 5 closers later in the year once managers start just using their best RP as closers when they didn’t do that to start the year, which isn’t optimal for saves and holds sold separately like in these). duffey’s skill set screams best RP available in league 2 (20 teamer) but MIN is damn crowded for holds/saves whatever. i did make sure i won him in a 30 teamer back in early feb though from that.

Beware the Shit Rope
Beware the Shit Rope
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

makes sense if in non deep holds leagues (i would bet you’ll be daily streaming guys like him for ratios alone though or vulture wins and K/9), rogers is very solid and t.may along with romo (and his “experience value”) in there too.

Beware the Shit Rope
Beware the Shit Rope
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

yeah i know you are nearly in all saves only spots as far as what you type about you’re in. whereas i’m in almost all holds+ saves or those but separately.

andrew edenbaum
andrew edenbaum
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Taylor or his brother on the Giants ?

The Great Knoche
2 years ago

Mock Drafted with the Fantasy Alarm guys, Had Fensty and Spiteri. It’s a different world drafting with non Razz folks. Spiteri was testing out an all batters first strategy to see how it turned out.

This is probably my best draft of year, only came up light on batting average as far as I see, Everything else had positive dollar values. I waited on pitching just because guys I was targeting weren’t getting taken.

https://www.rtsports.com/baseball/draft-board.php?LID=532920&UID=fantasybaseball

C T. Murphy (28)
1B Olson (3) – First Time got him this year
2B Biggio (12)
SS Story (1)
3B Sano (9)
CI D. Murphy (19)
MI Baez (4)
OF JD (2)
OF Robles (5)
OF Jimenez (6)
OF Kingery (14)
OF McCutchen (17)
UT Gregorius (16)
UT Eaton (20)

P Paddack (7)
P Giolito (8)
P Hand (10)
P Neris (11)
P Kimbrel (13)
P Paxton (15)
P Maeda (18)
P Heaney (21)
P Richards (22)

Bench (23-27) Karinchak, Kopech, H Harvey, Givens, W Davis

Baez in 4th? Biggio in 12th? Paxton 15 with the time to heal? Maeda 18th! By the site’s rankings I was 7th. War Room disagreed.

Beware the Shit Rope
Beware the Shit Rope
Reply to  The Great Knoche
2 years ago

paddack in the 7th is awesome. karinchak just got put down recently (see my freakout below). maeda value is even sicker (esp if roto rather than h2h). heaney too. does olson tend to go ahead of baez these days (i’ve done few online drafts, mostly turned all my leagues i run into slow ones now since WhyTF not)

The Great Knoche
Reply to  Beware the Shit Rope
2 years ago

Not worried about Karinchak. He’s just an elite K guy whos easily dropable. Plus he will be back up once season starts. Its procedural.

Baez typically goes in front of Olson. I grabbed OLson because I hadnt gotten any shares yet. Baez just made it back to me.

Beware the Shit Rope
Beware the Shit Rope
Reply to  The Great Knoche
2 years ago

yeah i figured decent chance of that, but the one thing that did change is clase was going to miss at least a month, now it appears maybe none of season, karinchak was only on active roster while clase was ruled out.

Beware the Shit Rope
Beware the Shit Rope
Reply to  The Great Knoche
2 years ago

nice luck on baez getting back to you then.

Coolwhip
Reply to  The Great Knoche
2 years ago

Thats legit dude. In a short season its hard to predict how some guys’ AVG will shake out, like Sano could get flaming hot and end with .280 (or .230 lol), well done.

david
david
2 years ago

As Baseball is a game of averages, and all hitters are streaky, is there a case for moving all the speedsters up in our rankings as they are the only players whose projections can be dependable in a shortened season. Speed is the only thing that doesn’t go into slumps.

Donkey Teeth
Admin
Reply to  david
2 years ago

Maybe a little bit of a bump. I think everything depends on how shortened the season is. I think a 100 game sample would still be big enough for stats to normalize, for the most part.

The Harrow
The Harrow
Reply to  david
2 years ago

speed can be COMPLETELY slumped, by
1. horrible OBP’s
which could lead to just getting say benched in the worst case scenario or turn out like a 4th OF that ONLY comes in for defense late in game (and might even get a steal very often per at bat, BUT do you want to be starting that guy, think the king rajai in the last few years or even better names that don’t come to mind right now)
2. manager’s allowing them to steal or not (go look at wong’s career steal arch due simply from matheny’s ass being in there until last year, or most of correa’s career (remember that guy was supposed to be a nice steals source and he’s still not old, but, alas, HOU))

HR’s are the thing that doesn’t slump, assuming a guy can get at bats of course.

Wake Up
Reply to  The Harrow
2 years ago

T Gore is another example.

Also a SB is not giving you a R, RBI, AVG.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out after multiple double headers in a row. Not going to be a whole lot of fresh legs.

The Harrow
The Harrow
Reply to  Wake Up
2 years ago

GORE, ex CUBS, THAT IS EXACTLY WHO I WAS THINKING OF, thanks. for sure platooners that sustained large per game $ (like joc) and only were underdrafted from missing games will now have tons of daily at bats (at least one of the games played, if not both), also catchers that are good per game that might’ve missed games over 162 now won’t miss that much. ANY good hitting “backup” catcher will now get probably quite close to 1 game nearly per day.

basically one more huge reason to draft for $/game not total $ per rudy’s projections machines. all players will play tons due to so many doubleheaders. obv the biggest info gained here is this will just lead to probably like 5x or so more injuries too (esp to pitchers)

Wake Up
Reply to  The Harrow
2 years ago

thumbs up signal

The Harrow
The Harrow
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

right, so possible speed guys that don’t necessarily do it might slow down almost entirely since tired (springer, correa, many many others, goldy) from playing far more than they ever have their entire lives per week/month

packers2018
packers2018
2 years ago

With people trying to curb their baseball fix with any type of information I felt the following names are synonymous correlations to relief pitcher and closers in particular. Just a fun read.

1. Nick Anderson – Tim Anderson
2. Archie Bradley – Jackie Bradley Jr.
3. Aroldis Chapman – Matt Chapman
4. Wade Davis – JD Davis
5. Edwin Diaz – Yandy Diaz
6.Liam Hendricks – Kyle Hendricks
7. Raisel Iglesias – Jose Iglesias
8. Kenley Jansen – Danny Jansen
9. Joe Jimenez – Eloy Jiminez
10. Trevor May – Dustin May
11. Roberto Osuna – Marcel Osuna
12. Hansel Robles – Victor Robles
13. Will Smith – Will Smith

With the exception of May, and only 30 closers possible in MLB baseball and out of all possible last names in this world the odds are incredible they have a common last name with another MLB player. To be a MLB is hard enough.

bigbear
bigbear
Reply to  packers2018
2 years ago

I don’t think this intel is fully incorporated into the draft values yet! I smell an arbitrage opportunity!

andrew edenbum
andrew edenbum
Reply to  packers2018
2 years ago

Me likey.

Dave D
Dave D
2 years ago

I don’t see how this doesn’t help younger guys with jobs like Dubon and MCmahon. Probably hurts mediocre vets most.

Coolwhip
Reply to  Dave D
2 years ago

I’m leaning towards that as well. Guys that there is no book on yet could have a big year as there’s less time for league react to them. Those rookie campaigns that usually dwindle in the 2nd half might go the whole season in 100 games.

JakeTPE
JakeTPE
2 years ago

Hey Grey,

Hope you are doing OK, Fantasy Master Lothario. Enjoying the pods with Ralph and also B underscore Dom and DT of course. Thanks for all the content during these difficult times.

One quick silly Q if I may. Yahoo gave Civale NA status so I can pick someone up in my 12 team Yahoo roto league. Any guys you have been eyeing lately? I already have a bench bat or two so probably a starting pitcher would be good for a flier. Think of guys like Quintana, Hamels, Wood, Eovaldi, Cease and under…. Thanks!

I’d imagine your plans for Japan are on hold. If you want to consider Taiwan instead, we’ve done a good job (so far) against the virus and we’re the birthplace of boba. I’ll take you on a boba tour and actually buy Grey a boba! (When the world gets back to normal of course.)

Hope all my Razzball folks are well and staying safe and at home. Take ‘er easy!

Jake

Donkey Teeth
Admin
Reply to  JakeTPE
2 years ago

Hey Jake,

I’d take a shot on Cease of that group, go for the upside

JakeTPE
JakeTPE
Reply to  Donkey Teeth
2 years ago

Thanks DT!

Yeah was thinking upside too… Cease over Canning for you?

Hope you are well, sir! Looking forward to the next Goin’ Deep with B_Don (not Dom lol)!

Coolwhip
Reply to  JakeTPE
2 years ago

Agree with the beast of burden, I also like Wood. Assuming he keeps the gains that showed in spring training his velocity was back up to when he wore the blue the first time. Cease also looked good before the hiatus.

JakeTPE
JakeTPE
Reply to  Coolwhip
2 years ago

Thanks Coolwhip!

Yeah, Wood is on my watch list. I think I owned him during his last stint as a Dodger and it’s a quality start league and there were quite a few 5 IP outings (which seems like more of a thing in LA than elsewhere).

Hope you are hanging in there!

JakeTPE
JakeTPE
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Thanks, Grey!

Good. I don’t think anyone should be going anywhere if they can help it. Nice thing is, Japan will still be there and will be great when all this settles down.

Yeah, we are doing OK here thanks (except with the ever-present dread that this thing could still blow up). I’m wearing masks more than usual (they are common here for numerous reasons so it’s not a big deal to wear one, even for us foreigners ha!) and washing my hands (and thinking about washing my hands) way more than usual.

There are between 10-20 new cases announced per day but all (or close to all) are traceable and most are coming from overseas. Kids were delayed for two weeks going back to school, so they started in late Feb. Been back for a month now and there are temp checks and masks on at all times. Work has been OK but some industries are down like they are everywhere.

Social distancing guidelines have just been put in place but they are not yet rules or enforced… We’ll see if things get worse here and schools and work get shut down. Hopefully not, but we’re all preparing. Govt here is on top of things which is good, but this virus is nasty.

On a macro level back home things seem crazy but it sounds like everyone is staying home and protecting themselves as much as possible and that is the best way to beat this. Thanks for asking and apologies for the lengthy reply. I’m sure sometime in the next couple months we can begin thinking less about the virus and more about baseball and our teams…

Stay safe and healthy!

Jake

packers2018
packers2018
2 years ago

I’m seeing more articles about a 100 game schedule starting July 1st.

Neutral warm weather site for the WS. Dodger stadium the favorite to host because they lost the ASG. Away games if they are in the WS to be held in Anaheim or San Diego.

Two off days a month, a couple DH’s a month.

At least they are talking about having a season. Feedback is it would be a waste of time to figure out an earlier date schedule.

Dave D
Dave D
Reply to  packers2018
2 years ago

Yeah, that’s what its looking like: July, 100 games.

I saw this morning Toronto has banned public events through 6/30. No bueno for Canadian baseball. Bye, bye economy. Good luck recovering from a 3 1/2 month shutdown. The cure has become worse than the vrius there for sure.

Terrible Ted
Terrible Ted
Reply to  Dave D
2 years ago

Unless you die or have loved ones who die, asshat.

lennydykstraisjustkmisunderstood
lennydykstraisjustkmisunderstood
Reply to  Terrible Ted
2 years ago

If the economy tanks too far and supply chains break people will die as well ……….famine and and civil unrest are unpleasant possibiltiies……..there has to be a balance and there will be

Snacks Zillion
Snacks Zillion
Reply to  lennydykstraisjustkmisunderstood
2 years ago

Well said-

183414
183414
Reply to  Terrible Ted
2 years ago

Calling him names, because he has his own opinion. How open minded of you. News flash, not everyone is worried about dying. It will happen whether you like it or not.

LOLmets
LOLmets
Reply to  183414
2 years ago

Terrible Ted’s attitude is running rampant. The sheeple begging to be put on lockdown for months. Just brainless fear mongering without have any clue.

Stl Squat Cobblers
Stl Squat Cobblers
Reply to  LOLmets
2 years ago

Fear mongering LOL! You mean like “We need to build a wall”?? Your orange leader knows all about fear mongering

LOLmets
LOLmets
Reply to  Stl Squat Cobblers
2 years ago

Lol I don’t even vote . You have no say.

Dave D
Dave D
Reply to  Terrible Ted
2 years ago

Many more will die in a Great Depression as it seems we’re heading because of this. Suicides doubled during the Great Depression of the early 1930s. Most of them were men in mid-life who previously were providers. We’re far more likely to lose fellow commenters on Razzball in the next six months for that reason than the virus. If suicides double over the next couple years of economic downturn that would likely mean about a doubling from 35000 to70000 annually. If it lasts 3 years thats over 100,000. Thats not to mention all the increases in relapses, overdoses because people have no AA, NA meetings or cannot get into a treatment program which is nearly impossible right now.

Here’s a study by the NIH if you can prefer educating yourself to name-calling:

Impact of Business Cycles on US Suicide Rates, 1928–2007

Feijun Luo, PhD, Curtis S. Florence, PhD, […], and Alexander E. Crosby, MD

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3093269/

Stl Squat Cobblers
Stl Squat Cobblers
Reply to  Terrible Ted
2 years ago

Agree 100% with Terrible Ted (minus the tone.) All of the comments that “the cure is worse than the virus” are ridiculous. The economy is resilient. Has ALWAYS bounced back. Americans love to spend. Though, can’t spend if you’re dead.

Suicides from Depression wouldn’t come anywhere close to total deaths from virus if we come back too soon to business as usual. President is now warning of 100k to 200k+ total deaths…these number far exceed expected number of suicides from being unemployed for a period of time.

LOLmets
LOLmets
Reply to  Stl Squat Cobblers
2 years ago

80,000 american and 650,000 worldwide die from contageous respitory the flu annually. Look it up. Bet your ass flu deaths will be way down as every death blamed on corona.

Stl Squat Cobblers
Stl Squat Cobblers
Reply to  LOLmets
2 years ago

People die from the regular flu…AND there is a vaccine for it. You’ll note there is not, as of yet, a vaccine for the corona. In other words, if we all just go back to business as usual, the numbers you listed will be far worse.

This virus is far more contagious than the regular flu and the death rate is likely higher as well.

Dave D
Dave D
Reply to  Stl Squat Cobblers
2 years ago

They’ve got you right where they want you.

Stl Squat Cobblers
Stl Squat Cobblers
Reply to  Dave D
2 years ago

Was thinking the same of you Dave. You guys are all drinking the Kool Aid

Dave D
Dave D
Reply to  Stl Squat Cobblers
2 years ago

Enjoy your vaccine when it arrives. Hopefully its more effective than the flu shot. Ill eat my steak and shoot my gun. Thanks.

Dave D
Dave D
Reply to  Dave D
2 years ago

Many more will die in a Great Depression as it seems we’re heading because of this. Suicides doubled during the Great Depression of the early 1930s. Most of them were men in mid-life who previously were providers. We’re far more likely to lose fellow commenters on Razzball in the next six months for that reason than the virus. If suicides double over the next couple years of economic downturn that would likely mean about a doubling from 35000 to70000 annually. If it lasts 3 years thats over 100,000. Thats not to mention all the increases in relapses, overdoses because people have no AA, NA meetings or cannot get into a treatment program which is nearly impossible right now.

Here’s a study by the NIH if you can prefer educating yourself to name-calling:

Impact of Business Cycles on US Suicide Rates, 1928–2007

Feijun Luo, PhD, Curtis S. Florence, PhD, […], and Alexander E. Crosby, MD

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3093269/

183414
183414
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Grey, why can’t we just play in Japan ? Everyone is working over there. Just all wearing masks. I like that idea.

183414
183414
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Sure hope so.

Snacks Zillion
Snacks Zillion
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Hell Yea!!

galica
galica
2 years ago

Grey!!!!

Masterclass theater in the land of the Razzball.

a. I keep landing the right guys to have on your posts. Don’t want to jinx myself but it’s kind of eerie. Didn’t sign up Sano, but like Walker, Dozier and now La Stella. Keep ’em coming, man!

b. Plenty to do in the lockdown, plenty to do. My wife cleans a different part of our apartment every new day so by the end we’ll have a clean apartment. Sounds like a positive. Also, the weather has been fab so Simba is enjoying the lockdown too.

c. MLB quote of the day for October 2, 1980

‘Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish Whiskey. The other ten percent I’ll probably waste.’

Frank Edwin ‘Tug’ McGraw Jr., aka the guy who struck out Willie Wilson to win the 1980 WS for the Phillies, their first WS. RIP Tug McGraw.

Cheers,
Ante

packers2018
packers2018
Reply to  galica
2 years ago

Love that quote.
Love these old quotes by the way.
Thanks, Ante.

galica
galica
Reply to  packers2018
2 years ago

Packers!

Thanks a lot. Enjoy your content just as much!

Cheers,
Ante

183414
183414
Reply to  packers2018
2 years ago

Me too.

lennydykstraisjustkmisunderstood
lennydykstraisjustkmisunderstood
Reply to  galica
2 years ago

great quote Tug McGraw was so fun to watch as the philllies made that playoff run the guy just channeled positive energy

Malicious Phenoms
Malicious Phenoms
Reply to  galica
2 years ago

Tug, “Ya Gotta Believe”

Coolwhip
Reply to  galica
2 years ago

Haha thanks Ante. Where do you dig these quotes from?

galica
galica
Reply to  Coolwhip
2 years ago

Coolwhip!!

Thanks, man! I just pick a date in MLB history like today October 2, 1980. Then I click on photos from that date and then I choose someone who the computer picks. Simple. Yesterday was a date in 1978. The computer picked Sixto Lezcano yesterday but he didn’t quote anything. Next to him on the photos was Dave Parker so I took Dave Parker. I also have to stay woke as Grey has made me promise so that’s about it. Then I type in google ‘Tug McGraw quotes’ and….Bob’s your uncle.

Cheers,
Ante

galica
galica
Reply to  Grey
2 years ago

Grey!!!

I’m showing it trust me. Can’t divulge too much, you’ll have to trust me.

Cheers,
Ante