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Okay, so it’s not the best 2012 fantasy baseball team, but, man, that title sings, right?  This is the best 2012 fantasy baseball team that I can put together when drafting from my top 100 for 2012 fantasy baseball and top 300 for 2012 fantasy baseball.  Honestly, I could draft another 25 teams from those lists, and they’d all be different.  If I took Longoria in the 1st round, everything after it would change.  For this exercise, I’m taking Swiggy first, because, well, I have him first overall.  Then once I take him at number one, I can’t take another player until the 24th pick, then choose two players within the next 24 picks, then 2 players in the next 24 picks and so on until the end of the top 100.  Just like a snake draft.  It would be nice if I was in a league where someone drafted Halladay, Verlander and Kershaw in the first round and I was able to take Longoria in the 2nd round, but since Miggy and him are in my first 10 picks, according to the rules I’ve set up for myself, I can’t take them both.  Then, as we all know, once you get into the 100’s, there’s wide gaps between ADP and where players are actually taken.  People tend to look at team need over value.  So for this exercise, once I get to pick #101, I’m going to pick two players every twenty picks, rather than every 24 picks.  That’s to account for the wide margin between ADP and where players are drafted.  Finally, because there is so much latitude in the last 100, I gave myself free reign to fill up my team.  Throughout the draft, I also gave myself the ability to reach to a lower draft pick, but not reach forward.  It should still be my ideal team… Or not.  Let’s see, shall we?  Bee tee dubya, this team is 5×5, one catcher, 5 OFs, MI, CI, 1 UT, 9 P, 3 Bench, just like the Razzball Commenter Leagues that are signing up still.  Anyway, here’s the best 2012 fantasy baseball team:

C: Joe Mauer (10)

1B:  Miggy Cabrera (1)

2B:  Chase Utley (5)

3B:  David Wright (2)

SS: Dee Gordon (15)

MI: Zack Cozart (16)

CI: Adam Lind (7)

OF:  Jay Bruce (3)

OF: Drew Stubbs (6)

OF: Andre Ethier (8)

OF: Torii Hunter (12)

OF: Lorenzo Cain (17)

UTIL: Chris Heisey (25)

P:  Madison Bumgarner (4)

P: Anibal Sanchez (9)

P: Matt Moore (11)

P: Jhoulys Chacin (13)

P: Ryan Madson (14)

P: Mike Minor (18)

P: Jordan Walden (19)

P: Kyle Farnsworth (20)

P: Brad Peacock (21)

BENCH:

P:  Ted Lilly (22)

P: Jim Johnson (23)

P: Aroldis Chapman (24)

So what do we learn from that in the most general sense?  You don’t have to draft pitchers early.  For those looking at my staff and thinking it won’t compete, my last year’s staff when I did this dream team post was:

P:  Jon Lester (5)

P: Dan Haren (8)

P: John Axford (13)

P: Daniel Hudson (12)

P: Jhoulys Chacin (14)

P: Chris Perez (15)

P: Craig Kimbrel (17)

P: Mike Minor (18)

P: Jordan Zimmermann (19)

BENCH:

P:  Ryan Madson (20)

P: Jason Motte (21)

P: Rafael Soriano (22)

You can switch Mike Minor out of there for Beachy too, because once he was in the rotation I switched the two of them on all of my teams.  As I’ve said in the past, I may not know a damn thing, but I can pick a pitching staff.  Seriously, Lester, Haren, Hudson and Chacin were all you needed.  Then you throw in Beachy, Madson, Kimbrel and Axford and you have 12’s in every pitching category.  And that’s not considering you could’ve dropped Soriano and picked up a great waiver wire guy.  This shows you that you need to really load up on hitters early, because, as much as you like that late-round-flyer man in the 18th round to be your corner guy, it’s probably not gonna work out for you.  Make sure you have at least two outfielders, a 2nd baseman, 3rd baseman and 1st baseman in the first ten rounds.  In my team above, I even reached way down for Ethier in the 8th round because I wanted to make sure I had an extra bat.  Also, I find myself grabbing Mauer this year to offset Stubbs and other average drains.  No one’s getting anything from catcher, so may as well get some average there if he comes at the right price.  I am not reaching for him.  If he’s there in the 9th to 10th rounds, great.  In the end, this really is just an exercise.  It’s fun though!  For me.  So what do you think of my fantasy fantasy team?  Don’t like it?  Go to the top 300 and make up your own fantasy fantasy team and post it in the comments.  Or not.  Decisions, decisions!

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  1. mauledbypandas says:
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    looks great… now if you could kindly convince ESPN that Matt Moore shouldn’t be 77th overall

    • mauledbypandas says:
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      @mauledbypandas, not that we should draft based on ESPN rankings (or whatever site you play on) but the fact that a certain number of your league mates will means you have to consider it

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        @mauledbypandas, Wow, 77th is gonna make it hard to own him.

        • dingbat says:
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          @Grey, He’s 94th at Yahoo, which is still substantially higher than you have him. On the other hand, Anibal’s 138th, Gio’s 114th, and JZimm is 129th, so there are plenty of opportunities to grab Razzball targets.

          You normally do one of these using ESPN and Yahoo rankings, right?

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            @dingbat, I don’t usually, but maybe I will.

            • James Redacted

              James says:
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              @Grey, Maybe this is what you were already talking about, but do a draft where you use razzball ranks for your selections and cross off the next 23 picks using ESPN’s ranks (and then repeat down the rounds). Curious to see what the team would look like.

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                @James, Yeah, I’ll look into doing it.

  2. JK says:
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    Hey Grey, I’d be very happy with that squad. I’ve done a couple of mocks (on mdc and yahoo), and the rankings are all over the place. For example, Bruce is #57 on yahoo which is bat shizz crazy! Plus Oswalt and Minor are #252 and #274 respectively. (total bargains)I just did a mock on yahoo (12 team 5×5 3of and 2util)and came out with this:
    McCann
    Votto
    Kendrick
    Reyes
    A-Rod
    Pence
    Ad. Jones
    M. Joyce
    Mini Donkey
    Lind
    Belt
    SP- Lincecum, Beachy, J. Zimm, Carp, Oswalt, S. Baker, M. Minor
    RP- League, Street, C. Perez, Clippard, J. Guerra
    Not bad, what do you think?
    *the rankings have Verlander, Halladay and Kershaw all top 20. I guess we have to wait on ESPN to open their mock to see their rankings.

    • mauledbypandas says:
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      @JK, if you have an active league with ESPN you can just go to your team and hit the edit my draft rankings. It has them listed there already. They usually tinker with them a bit, but you can get an idea.

      • mauledbypandas says:
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        @mauledbypandas, Michael Bourn at 34 is a real hoot. Matt Moore at 75, Strasburg at 76, YUCK!

      • JK says:
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        @mauledbypandas, thanks! I’ll check it out.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @JK, That’s a very shallow league — 3 OF makes it shallow. Team looks solid though, your pitching is a little wonky. Carp, Oswalt, Baker, Minor… 4 risky bets.

  3. Confused Guy says:
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    Don’t really know why I’m even writing this because I’m pretty sure I know what u and your mustache are going to answer but what the hell I need someone to just give a boot in the right direction. I’m in a 16 man, 5 keeper man league. My five are Hosmer, McCutchen, Beltre, Price and Felix. Another person in the league offered me Ellsbury for Price straight up. Before you move on to the next question thinking this confused guy is dumb as shizz, let me do a little explaining on why I’m debating this. I don’t trust Ellsbury one bit not sure if it’s cause he is injury prone or if it’s cause without 20 bombs he’s just another Brett Gardner. If u could just let me know what to do and maybe a little explaination on why you think it would be the right move. P.S. Huge fan Gery and this website was key in me winning this league last year. Keep it up cause their ain’t anyone better.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Confused Guy, I’d take Ellsbury, not because I think he’s going to hit 30 homers again, but a ~20/40 guy is valuable. Plus hitting is safer to keep. Thanks for the kind words!

      • Confused Guy says:
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        @Grey, Thanks for the input and you answered my question to a tee but do you have any question marks around Ellsbury or am I in a boat by myself? To me he just doesn’t seem like a very trust worthy guy even though he is a stud.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @Confused Guy, He has no more question marks than others. He had an issue two years ago and was fine last year. Should be fine, if he’s not, it’ll just be fluky.

  4. Eddy says:
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    Grey, ever since you professed your love for The Dread Pirate in your top 20 post, I can’t help but share the same feeling.

    But it makes no sense whatsoever to draft him 13th overall in a keeper where Ellsbury and CarGo are already part of your OF, right?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Eddy, Yeah, that’s too much OF.

  5. captainpyper says:
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    ok i went off your rules except i picked near the bottom so i grabbed 2 in the top 24…(Why can’t commenters just stick to what you tell them to do!)

    C Jesus Montero (12)

    1B Hosmer (6)

    2B Cano (1)

    3B Lawrie (4)

    SS Hanram (2)

    MI Hill (14)

    CI Duda (18)

    OF Pence (3)

    OF Gardner (7)

    OF Werth (8)

    OF Braun (10)

    OF Wells (13) wanted Hunter but I’m no copy-cat!

    Util Ortiz (16)

    P Lester (5)

    P Kennedy (9)

    P Beachy (11)

    P E. Santana (17)

    P Wandy (20)

    P Lilly (22)

    P Hanrahan (15)

    P Nathan (21)

    P Guerra (24)

    bench:
    Morales (19)
    Pena (23)
    Capps (25)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @captainpyper, Your outfield looks very strong, but your infield could give you problems. Risking a lot taking Hosmer and Lawrie. Could work out fine, but pairing them seems risky. Your pitching also has more risk than I’d want.

  6. captainpyper says:
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    is it a matter of drafting pitching earlier or simply taking safer pitchers in the area of where i drafted mine?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @captainpyper, Same time, different pitchers. Your front three is solid, though I have some concerns on Kennedy. I don’t like Ervin, Wandy’s a’ight and Lilly could be solid or junk and old.

      • captainpyper says:
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        @Grey, got it. ok now for something completely different and more pressing. (I’d take advice from anyone on this) My fantasy skills are required in a REAL LIFE situation. Its a FantasyMeetsReality Draft! I am coaching middle school basketball, we have 30 kids and are “drafting” 2 teams. Were not doing a simple: u pick, i pick, u pick, i pick, or a snake draft, its kind of a tiered snake draft, with a mini-snake coming in groups of 4. it looks like this…

        TM1 TM2
        Rnd 1. 1 —> 2
        Rnd 2. 4 <— 3

        Rnd 3. 6 8

        Rnd 5. 9 10
        Rnd 6. 12 11

        Rnd 7. 14 13
        Rnd 8. 15 16

        Rnd 9. 17 18
        Rnd10. 20 19

        Rnd11. 22 21
        Rnd12. 23 24
        etc…

        (Obviously a normal snake draft would see TM 1 getting picks 4 and 5 but it flips over to TM 2 for pick 5 and wraps around to the end of round 4)

        the other coach said this removed the advantage of the 1st pick and didn’t matter if they picked 1st or 2nd and would let me choose whatever I wanted to do. so I get the left column or the right column. There are 7 very good players in the top tier with equal talent. There are 7 players in tier 2 that are “ok”(and by “ok” I mean a Sparky Anklebiter or two) and then 8 in the third tier followed by everyone else that can’t do anything (bunch of regular Nadir Bupkus’! I can’t call them schmohawks to their face, their children for goodness sakes) My promotion to a varsity job depends on this! (well not really but lets aim high here!)

        1st or 2nd? what should i do? The other coach knows nothing about drafting and fantasy sports so if I don’t come out with a stronger team I should quit fantasy sports altogether because its completely useless. But…and its a big butt…’kinda like J’…(stop it Grey, this is about the kids)… if I dominate this draft I can continue to play fantasy sports under the delusion that it really does help my personal, spiritual, and social success!

        • captainpyper says:
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          @captainpyper,

          crap round 3 and 4 look like this
          TM1 TM2
          Rnd 3. 6 5
          Rnd 4. 7 8

          • dingbat says:
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            @captainpyper, If I understand you correctly, picking first will allow you to grab player #7 (the end of the “very good” tier) and player #14 (the end of the “ok” tier), both of which are good things. At the end of round 7, you’d have 4 “very good” players and 3 “ok” players, while your opponent would have 3 “very good” players and 4 “ok” players. That’s the only relevant difference I see between the two picks, but it could be enough to make the difference between your two teams, assuming you’ve judged the tiers correctly.

          • dingbat says:
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            @captainpyper, Also, this was a fun puzzle — thanks!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @captainpyper, Ha! Go 2nd…

  7. ScottyM says:
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    I’d rather see you do this “best team” draft vs another mock draft or MDC ADP’s instead of vs your own rankings. It would be more representative of your team vs other so called perts. As you have completed it, you are competing with yourself for players.
    Constructive comments aside, thank you. I appreciate any article you publish.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @ScottyM, Thanks for the kind words!

  8. mike says:
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    For a different flavor, I went at the turn:

    12. Ellsbury (OF1)
    13. McHutcheon (OF2)
    36. Konerko (1B)
    37. Andrus (SS)
    60. Morse (CI)
    61. BJ Upton (OF3)
    84. Zobrist (2B)
    85. Axford (RP)
    96. Storen (RP)
    97. Mauer (C)
    120. Luebke (P)
    121. Moustakis (3B)
    144. Suzuki (OF4)
    145. Hardy (MI)
    168. Hanrahan (RP)
    169. Trumbo (UTIL)
    192. Bailey (RP)
    193. Walden (RP)
    216. Peacock (P)
    217. Lilly (P)
    240. Venters (P)
    241. Kubel (OF5)
    264. Kendrys Morales (B)
    265. Addison Reed (P)
    288. Bryce Harper (B)
    289. Willingham (B)

    Yes, I’m Speed and Save heavy. W, HR, and RBI light (maybe K’s too, but that’s not so glaring). But I like having a bunch of RPs and Legs (with average) because your competitors always have a way of salivating and plotting different ways of relieving you of your excess before someone else does. By June, usually, desperation sets in and you can get some really good deals.

    • dingbat says:
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      @mike, You’re not just speed-heavy, you’re so overloaded with speed you make the micromachines guy look like droopy dog. Hopefully I’ve lost everyone with that reference. Once you had Ellsbury and McCutchen in the bag, Andrus was clearly excess. Then Upton was just plain silly, and Ichiro was beyond ridiculous. I think it’d be interesting to see how this strategy would play out in an actual draft, because my guess is that you wouldn’t make it past Andrus before you forced everyone else to overdraft the remaining speedy guys.

      • mike says:
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        @dingbat, lol. lost me with the reference.

        But yeah, believe it or not, Ichiro was drafted for his average, to compensate for the drain I incurred by grabbing Upton’s power.

        But yeah, it’s also nice to have speed locked down after the fourth round.

        But it comes at a heavy price. Drafting power gets to be really hard, really quick.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @mike, Agree with Dingbat. Ellsbury, Ichiro, Andrus and Upton is too much.

  9. royce! says:
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    In a real league would you go after a SS as your MI, or is that result based on the rules of this hypothetical draft? Seems with 2B being deeper, it’d be better to grab 2 2B.

    • mike says:
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      @royce!, I also took a SS for MI – just because Hardy hit 24 HR last year and I think he’s capable of repeating or doing more. I guess it came down to the way my team was shaping up. I needed power, and that was (I think) the best I could do so late in the draft.

      • chata says:
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        @mike,
        hardy hit 30

        • MStark says:
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          @chata, that’s what I thought! I didn’t want to get it wrong, so I checked ESPN. Turns out I was looking at the 2012 projections.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @royce!, I think you’re better to take two 2nd basemen.

  10. royce! says:
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    Also, I second the recommendation of Three Nights in August. The wife and I read it when it came out a while back, and we both enjoyed it. The saber stuff in it might be a little out of date, but Buzz tells a good story, and Tony Larussa’s plenty weird enough to make an interesting subject.

    • Steve says:
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      @royce!, You should follow Buzz on Twitter. He comes off as batshit crazy, yo.

      Great writer though. Loved Friday Night Lights and he writes some good stuff at The Daily Beast.

      • royce! says:
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        @Steve, Batshit crazy’s right up my alley!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @royce!, Cool, will have to order it.

      • royce! says:
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        @Grey, I have two copies (found a hardcover on a dollar table after having read the paperback)- email me your address and I’ll send it to you.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @royce!, Thanks!

  11. Mr2Bits says:
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    Ughhhhh, a guy in my league just traded his 4th round pick in a 10 team keeper league for SS Strasburg….I hate baseball soemtimes

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Mr2Bits, Ugh

  12. mauledbypandas says:
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    6. Matt Kemp (OF)
    19. Wright (3B)
    30. Andrus (SS)
    43. Phillips (2B)
    54. Hosmer (1B)
    67. Jennings (OF)
    78. Cain (SP)
    91. Hudson (SP)
    102. Avila (C)
    115. Braun (OF)
    126. Scherzer (SP)
    139. Marmol (RP)
    150. Chacin (SP)
    163. Madson (RP)
    174. Jansen (RP)
    187. Duda (OF)
    198. Reimold (OF)
    211. Belt (OF/1B)
    222. McCarthy (SP)
    235. Lilly (SP)
    246. Volquez (SP)
    259. Pena (CI)
    270. Altuve (MI)
    283. Chapman (RP)
    294. Kuroda (SP)

    Fun exercise, not the team I would have thought I’d end up with

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @mauledbypandas, Everyone’s loving them some Braun, huh? Rudy’s coming out with a post just about Braun tomorrow. Stay tuned! Or not, your choice. I like your team, I think you might have some WHIP issues, but solid enough in other aspects.

      • mauledbypandas says:
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        @Grey, I think at 115 the prospect of getting 2/3 a year of Braun plus the fill in player for the first few months sounds enticing given the current OF depth. Not that I would ever be able to get him in an ESPN league, they have him at…. 39th overall

      • mauledbypandas says:
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        @Grey, You are totally right about the WHIP issues, I was trying to see how late I could wait on pitching, I could vastly have changed my team if I fiddled with the rankings a few spots here and there. I stuck to them pretty strictly until the end of the draft.

        Really enjoyed this post, would love to see what you would do with ESPN or Yahoo standard rankings

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @mauledbypandas, Wow, 39th overall? Is everyone assuming he’s gonna beat the charges? Yeah, maybe I will do it with ESPN/Yahoo too.

          • Jay29 says:
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            @Grey, Karabell has Braun at 28. What a knucklehead. He says, “Yep, even with only 105 or so games, I think he’s going to go wild, hitting for average and stealing plenty of bases. If the pending suspension doesn’t happen, Braun vaults to my No. 1 spot.”

            Sure, Eric, he could hit .350 and steal 25 bases in 100 games… but he ain’t smellin’ 80 R or 80 RBI.

            I’m in a keeper league and I’m nowhere near that high on Braun. Twenty-eight!!

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              @Jay29, 28’s pretty nutty.

  13. Mr2Bits says:
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    So Grey : What positions would you target with your methodology in round 2,3,…. if you are keeping the following? I have 2/3OF’s with JoeyBats,Hamilton,Young and corner men with Berkman/Youk. Would you go after a top flight SS or start building SP?

    Roy Halladay – 1st round – Keeper
    Josh Hamilton – 7th round -Keeper
    James Shields – 15th Round – Keeper
    Kevin Youkilis – 15th round – Keeper
    Chris Young – 21st round – Keeper
    Jose Bautista – 23rd round – Keeper
    Lance Berkman – FA – Keeper
    Howie Kendrick – FA – Keeper

    FYI the only reason why I am keeping Halladay is because I will have the last pick in round one so it doesn’t make sense for me to lose him right now.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Mr2Bits, I thought you were trading Youk?

      • Mr2Bits says:
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        @Grey, Guy wouldn’t go for it after asking for it then mulling it over. You didn’t have any guys ask you if you thought he was getting screwed by trading McCann for Youk did you? Like to think this place is my little honey hole so the less people in my league that know about it the better.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @Mr2Bits, Ha, nope…

  14. The Talented Mr. Dope Man says:
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    Here’s my go at it, i drafted 3rd:

    1 – 3: Votto (1B)
    2 – 22: Beltre (3B)
    3 – 27: Pence (OF1)
    4 – 46: Holliday (OF2)
    5 – 51: Hosmer (CI)
    6 – 70: A. Jones (OF3)
    7 – 75: Crawford (OF4)
    8 – 94: R. Weeks (2B)
    9 – 99: Anibal Sanchez (P1)
    10 – 118: Matt Moore (P2)
    11 – 123: Scherzer (P3)
    12 – 142: Aaron Hill (MI)
    13 – 147: Tabata (OF5)
    14 – 166: Dee Gordon (SS)
    15 – 171: Colby Lewis (P4)
    16 – 190: Hellickson (P5)
    17 – 195: Lorenzo Cain (Utility)
    18 – 214: Wandy (P6)
    19 – 219: Walden (RP1)
    20 – 238: Bud Norris (P7)
    21 – 243: Salvador Perez (C)
    22 – 262: Chris Perez (RP2)
    23 – 267: Jose Atluve (Bench)
    24 – 286: Jason Kubel (Bench)
    25 – 291: Ben Revere (Bench)

    Obviously I kinda punted RP’s and went after them late. besides that I think I’m pretty balanced with speed and power. Pitching staff could have some hiccups, but they’re all high strike out guys (besides hellickson), which is usually what I target.

    • mauledbypandas says:
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      @The Talented Mr. Dope Man, I forsee Grey saying not to take bench hitters. I like the first part of your draft, but got a little bit scattered at the end. Might be light on power as well, maybe thats just my thinking.

      • The Talented Mr. Dope Man says:
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        @mauledbypandas, I kinda agree with you man. to be honest, I NEVER play in leagues that have benches… so i was kind of a Noob at that point. i dig the starters tho. I figured instead of getting a big power bat, i’d get a bunch of guys that hit 25-30 and other 5 tool guys.

        • mauledbypandas says:
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          @The Talented Mr. Dope Man, Also, as a Rangers fan, Colby Lewis scares the bejesus out of me. But you have Votto, and that makes up for a lot in my book. I hear you on the bench players. My lineup is usually fluid after the season starts. If I do take a bench player it is because of some situation like Braun (temporary fill in) or a high upside guy I don’t want to see go to someone else. I like the idea of a lot of 25-30 HR 10-25 steals players. I always try to do that myself when possible. I guess it really depends on your league though, I have played in some leagues where a trained (or untrained) monkey could randomly hit buttons and win.

          • The Talented Mr. Dope Man says:
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            @mauledbypandas, I feel ya on Colby lewis, but as a 4th pitcher i’ll take it.

            For some reason I’m drawn to Rangers pitching. In my AL only league i have Feliz, Holland and Ogando as keepers (hoping Ogando get’s a spot back…).

            • mauledbypandas says:
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              @The Talented Mr. Dope Man, I have followed the Rangers all my life, so I have a pretty irrational attraction to them, pitchers and hitters. Hoping for big things from Mr. Holland this year. Doubt Ogando gets a rotation spot though barring injuries. Fantasy baseball is odd in that you want to watch games to see how players actually are doing, but sometimes like watching Lewis squeek through a quality start it can mess with your perceptions

      • Mr2Bits says:
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        @mauledbypandas, Its always a good idea to have one and at most 2 rotation guys to fill in for off days. I usually only roll with one but that is my minimum. The rest goes into SP’s and the random flyer.

        • The Talented Mr. Dope Man says:
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          @Mr2Bits, But in the RCL leagues isn’t there a IP limit? or a game started limit?

          If you’re streaming starting pitching, you may go over that limit to early.

          I just looked and there is a 180 game start limit. you figure each starter would give you 30. so that means you only have room for 6 starters (if you played them every game).

          I guess you could stream relievers in there.

          • Mr2Bits says:
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            @The Talented Mr. Dope Man,

            Not really streaming as you are not picking up and dropping pitchers but more or less back loading your pitching staff rather than burning stats with field guys.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @The Talented Mr. Dope Man, I agree with Pandas. Also, Crawford and Weeks together is a bit too much injury risk for such high guys. Team’s not terrible though.

  15. Eric Riptide says:
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    @ Grey: I must be missing something, but who is the pitcher with the name Jim Johnson? Is that supposed to be Josh?

      • Eric Riptide says:
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        @Grey, Thank you. I guess if you were gonna alter the name of Josh Johnson it would have been Gosh, not Jim.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @Eric Riptide, It’s the Orioles closer.

          • Eric Riptide says:
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            @Grey, I love the Dee Gordon pick. He could steal 70-80 and win a title for a lot of teams. It’s a good thing SAGNOF because I couldn’t pick Jim Johnson’s face out of a police lineup. I know how to google so next time I’m all on it. I’ve never left comments despite reading Razzball blogs for 2 and a half years. Needless to say, you’ve steered me right many times. When Reyes was hurt last year, so were my feelings and I had nowhere to turn until your post about Cozart. He raked until he got hurt.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              @Eric Riptide, Ha… No problem, glad it’s worked out…

  16. sean says:
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    C Wilson Ramos (20)
    1B Adrian Gonzalez (1)
    2B Brandon Phillips (4)
    SS Yunel Escobar (22)
    3B Hanley Ramirez (2)
    CI Mike Moustakas (12)
    MI Martin Prado (19)
    OF Hunter Pence (3)
    OF Desmond Jennings (6)
    OF Jason Heyward 97)
    OF Michael Bourn (11)
    OF Nick Swisher (13)
    U Brandon Belt (17)
    SP Madison Bumgarner (5)
    SP Matt Cain (8)
    SP Matt Garza (9)
    SP Jhoulys Chacin (14)
    SP Jeremy Hellickson (16)
    RP Johnathan Papelbon (10)
    RP Kenley Jansen (15)
    RP Joe Nathan (18)
    RP Juan Abreu (21)

    • sean says:
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      @sean, Prado doesn’t qualify at MI this year. Fuck. Back to the drawing board.

  17. thekingadrock says:
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    Grey did you see the new yahoo “pro” leagues? Yahoo is keeping 25%! they are taking in $1200 per league and paying out $900. Insane.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @thekingadrock, That sounds like a good deal… Poop on.

  18. Eddy says:
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    It reported that Trevor Plouffe has gained 10 pounds to add more power.

    I guuess one could say he’s looking to make a bigger splash.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Eddy, HA!

  19. Benny says:
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    Grey – In a dynasty league where you can keep players as long as you wish with no contracts or loss of round – would you trade Haren for Darvish?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Benny, Nope

  20. Terrence Mann says:
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    Ethier AND Mauer? No room for Berkman and Liriano?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Terrence Mann, Definitely not Liriano… Berkman I could see drafting…

  21. Dan-o says:
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    Won’t Miggy have third base eligibility? (w/ Prince in town). In yahoo (where I play) a player needs something like 5-10 starts to be eligible. Its hard to imagine the tigers not playing him at 3rd at least that many times in April.

    Calls into question the D Write pick.

    Isn’t J Bruce a smarter play?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Dan-o, That’s a good point, I was just going on what he has now. I wouldn’t be shocked though to see the Tigers watch him butcher balls in the spring and decide Prince is their DH and Miggy is their 1st baseman.

  22. Hustler says:
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    If you miss out on the TOP 5 1B, pass on Konerko and Tex (think their price will be too high) where should you expect to draft Hosmer or Morse?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Hustler, I think you’re gonna have to reach for Hosmer in the 5th and Morse by the 7th…

      • mic says:
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        @Grey, what about moobs in the 10th…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @mic, Yeah, that’s not terrible.

  23. TheNewGuy says:
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    7. Tulo (SS)
    18. Pedroia (2B)
    31. Panda (3B)
    42. Konerko (1B)
    55. Hosmer (CI)
    66. Jennings (OF)
    79. Napoli (C)
    90. Strasburg (SP)
    103. Darvish (SP)
    114. Braun (OF)
    127. Beachy (SP)
    138. Hunter (OF)
    151. Pineda (SP)
    162. Hanrahan (RP)
    175. Motte (RP)
    186. Boesch (OF)
    199. Peralta (MI)
    210. Minor (SP)
    223. Heisey (OF)
    234. Bud (SP)
    247. Alonso (Util)
    258. Johnson (RP)

    Nice idea that was quite fun! Didn’t shorten it to every 20 after pick 100 as not really sure how id do it, plus others don’t seemed to have done so. Like it?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @TheNewGuy, Your offense looks solid enough, I’m not crazy about your pitching. Pineda, Strasburg, Darvish, Norris and Minor are all upside risks. They could work out great, but I’m sure at least one will stumble.

      • TheNewGuy says:
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        @Grey, Yeah im always about upside when it comes to pitchers for some reason, the solid dependable types don’t really do it for me. Least i’ll do well in K’s!

  24. Ike says:
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    I just did a mock on yahoo (12 team 5×5 3of and 2util)and came out with this:

    Cabrera
    Mccutchen
    Wright
    Bruce
    Bumgarner
    Kendrick
    Bj uptown
    Gardner
    Latos
    Lind
    Gio Gonzalez
    Dee Gordon
    Max scherzer
    Moustakas
    Kipnis
    Chacin
    Quentin
    Cahill
    Desmond
    Chapman
    Clippard
    Hill
    Ianetta

    • TheNewGuy says:
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      @Ike, Where are your closers dude!

  25. Ike says:
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    I just did a mock on yahoo (12 team 5×5 3of and 2util)and came out with this

    Cabrera
    Mccutchen
    Wright
    Bruce
    Bumgarner
    Kendrick
    Bj uptown
    Gardner
    Latos
    Lind
    Gio Gonzalez
    Dee Gordon
    Max scherzer
    Moustakas
    Kipnis
    Chacin
    Quentin
    Cahill
    Desmond
    Chapman
    Clippard
    Hill
    Ianetta

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ike, It’s a pretty shallow league, but I do like the team overall. Your pitching is a tad too strong which would be a problem for your offense if this were a real league drafting or a deeper league. Bum, Latos and Gio is solid though if you can pull it off with a strong offense. I offensive issue looks like your average might suffer.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ike, And what New Guy said about the closers.

  26. jimbo says:
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    I have pick 10 of 12, 5×5 redraft. 5 outfielders, 8 infielders, 10 pitchers. Followed same rules from that slot…with my league roster needs in mind:
    Adrian
    carGo
    castro
    greinke
    bj upton
    strasburg
    butler
    espinosa
    mauer
    matt moore
    beachy
    dee gordon
    swisher
    j weeks
    colby lewis
    belt
    minor
    walden
    santos
    prado
    dempster
    volquez

    Lite on power and saves, would like my chances at first in every other category..
    .well, wins are wins.

    Ah, nothing like some mock baseball via my phone, from the tub, while my wife watches the kids. Happy valentines day to me.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @jimbo, You’re quite the romantic! I agree with you, you are light on power and saves. I think that’s because your pitching is stronger than it needs to be…

      • jimbo says:
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        @Grey,

        Only 4 of my first 14 picks were P. That’s too much you think?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @jimbo, That’s going too risky on pitching, yeah. Jennings helps, but he doesn’t give you that much power to offset the team.

    • jimbo says:
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      Somehow I lost jennings…he was my 5th pick between zack and bju.

  27. Peter Gammons says:
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    Hey, Grey!

    Shallow 5 X 5 keeper league with OBP.

    I’m definitely keeping:
    Tulowitzki, J. Upton, Kemp, Votto, Cano, Verlander & Bruce.

    Now pick 2 out of 5:
    Crawford, Heyward, Hamels, Strasburg, Weaver

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Peter Gammons, Strasburg, Hamels… Would help if I knew if your league was 5 OFs or 3.

      • Peter Gammons says:
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        @Grey, It’s 3 OF, 2 Utils. Would that change things?

  28. Melvin Emanuel says:
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    Did your exercise and this is what I got. Since ive started doing fantasy baseball, ive always favored the younger players with upside versus the veterans who have reached a platoo.

    I started my draft in the middle in the first…

    C Montero (14)
    1B Hosmer (6)
    2B Kendrick (5)
    SS Castro (4)
    3B Longoria (1)
    OF Stanton (2)
    OF Bruce (3)
    OF Jennings (7)
    OF Eithier (11)
    OF Joyce (19)
    UTL Belt (20)
    MI Hill (15)
    CI Morales (24)

    P Cain (8)
    P Zimmerman (9)
    P A. Sanchez (10)
    P Moore (12)
    P Beachy (13)
    P Chacin (16)
    P Minor (21)
    P Madson (17)
    P Motte (18)

    B Walden (22)
    B Norris (23)
    B Peacock (25)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Melvin Emanuel, Honestly, I think your team looks even better than mine. Well played. I like your pitching a lot, though it is a bit risky. Your hitting is very solid. Shows you what you can do with Longoria in the 1st round.

  29. The Chew says:
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    Ditto on the pitching staff. After reading you for so long, it’s almost become second nature to pick guys who don’t have the sheen but can get you the ring! The main place it’s helped me has been in my keepers because I keep 9 of 12 as hitters. I have enough confidence in drafting pitchers that I don’t feel a need to keep as many. Also, you’d be proud that I haven’t kept a dang RP since the first year in my keeper league (pre-Grey). Haha!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @The Chew, Nice!

  30. Tom says:
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    Grey when will you be posting the “2012 Fantasy Baseball Tiers”

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Tom, Monday is the War Room, Tuesday of next week is the tiers…

      • Tom says:
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        @Grey, Sweet

  31. ChickenDinner says:
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    Who would you rather have for the next 3 years? Latos or Gio?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @ChickenDinner, Latos

  32. Quinn says:
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    Hey Grey,

    Any chance you would do one of these for an Auction? Would love to see your perfect auction team.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Quinn, Maybe next week we’ll get a mock draft together and I’ll participate, but I’m not sure how I would do an auction where I’m the only one. Auction values fluctuate a lot from draft to draft.

      • Quinn says:
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        @Grey, Yeah, I don’t know either. I was thinking something like your rankings vs. the average dollar value of the player to maximize value…

  33. Steve says:
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    Carl Crawford expected to miss the first few weeks of the season…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Steve, Not surprising at all…

  34. royce! says:
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    I’m hearing Andino will play 2B and bat leadoff, where he’d be followed by Hardy, Markakis and Jones. If that is true, would he break the top 20 2B?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @royce!, Blech… Not loving him even with 500 ABs…

  35. I have my own ideal draft given my keepers in the first three rounds Longoria, Upton, Halladay, but still, the following is quite different from that ideal. Good exercise, though, because I might strongly change that ideal draft now.

    I think there’s good balance in this group and the only concern I have is my SP staff is probably too young.

    Am not going for Commenter league this year. One team already takes all the free time I can spare. Maybe another year.

    Ramos C (20)
    Konerko 1B (4)
    Uggla 2B (3)
    Asd Cabrera SS (6)
    Longoria 3B (1)
    Goldschmidt CI (15)
    Aybar MI (12)
    Bruce OF (2)
    Gardner OF (7)
    Bourjos OF (8)
    Swisher OF (13)
    Belt OF (17)
    Pagan UTIL (22)
    Bumgarner SP (5)
    A Sanchez SP (9)
    Beachy SP (11)
    Minor SP (18)
    Norris SP (19)
    Peacock SP (23)
    Valverde RP (10)
    Hanrahan RP (14)
    A Bailey RP (16)
    Altuve BN (21)
    Chapman BN (24)
    Clippard BN (25)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @The Miracles, Even with Gardner you look light on speed but the team looks solid overall… Really like the pitching…

  36. Hooverville says:
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    Hey Grey, glad to see that the 2012 MLB season is getting closer; your ‘stache should be in full bloom. Going into the next season I can keep 4 of the following (League setup- 12 teams, 5×5, C,1B,2B,3B,SS,IF,OF,OF,OF,UTIL,UTIL) :

    AGonz
    J-Upside
    Mike Stanton
    Andrew McCutchen
    David Wright
    Cole Hamels

    I think the top two are no-brainers. I would love to keep both the corners, but OF is so shallow this year… Do you mind ranking them 1-6 as well? We might expand to 6 keeps. You da man

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Hooverville, Upton, Gonzalez, Stanton, McCutchen, Wright…

  37. Steve says:
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    I’ll save y’all the scrolling/reading:

    Sanchez is an interesting beast. He’s perpetually underrated because he’s — rookie year excepted — never had a good record, nor a particularly high number of decisions, and he plays in the relative obscurity of south Florida. My notion is that is all about to change, especially considering the new amount of attention that will be paid to the Marlins in their new digs, with a new get-up, and some brand new guerrillas. Sanchez missed nearly 25 percent of the bats he faced last season (Baker checks in at 22.5 percent), which was about five percent more than his career rate, last year included. In order to do so, Sanchez scrapped his breaking stuff in favor of a change, similar to what he did in 2009 as well. If his new-found strikeout act is for real, coupled with his steadily dropping walk rate (12.0-8.3-7.7 percent three-year trend), Sanchez will skip most-underrated and rise to the top of the class as a Cy Young candidate.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Steve, Damn…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Steve, I know these guys all read this site but wish they would disagree once in a while so it wouldn’t get shouted out to the masses…

      • Steve says:
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        @Grey, It’s the infinite monkey theorem as applies to sabermetrics. If enough guys crunch numbers for long enough, they’ll turn up something that only you thought you knew.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @Steve, Those damn dirty apes!

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              @Steve, That video is awesome, never saw that before…

              • Steve says:
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                @Grey, Considering there’s something like 50 hours of video uploaded to YouTube every minute, the pickings for the search term ‘infinite monkey theorem’ are remarkably thin.

                • Steve says:
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                  @Steve, Make that 60 hours a minute.

  38. nyydj2 says:
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    ESPN Mocks Are Open…..Yay

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @nyydj2, Nice…

  39. BostonEagle5 says:
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    I feel like this team has a little too much risk for my liking, but I think it should be a decent enough job contending:

    C Mauer (9)
    1B Teixeira (3)
    2B Pedroia (2)
    SS Cosart (16)
    3B Longoria (1)
    CI Swisher (12)
    MI Hill (13)
    OF Holliday (4)
    OF Jennings (6)
    OF Gardner (7)
    OF Braun (10)
    OF Boesch (17)
    UTIL Alonso (21)
    SP Haren (5)
    SP Zimmermann (8)
    SP Scherzer (11)
    SP Holland (14)
    SP McCarthy (19)
    SP Peacock (22)
    RP Jansen (15)
    RP Santos (18)
    RP Farnsworth (20)
    BEN: Perez (23), Venters (24), Kuroda (25)

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