Finished up the hitters for the 2010 fantasy baseball rankings and now we’re turning our eye patch to the top 20 starters for 2010 fantasy baseball.  Ain’t life grand?  I supposed, but pimpin’ still ain’t easy, despite strides made by Three 6 Mafia and Big Daddy Kane.  Before we get into the top 20 starters, I want to point out one thing about my projections.  Wins and losses are total shots in the dark.  Did I take into consideration how well their respective teams would do?  Really doe.  Still doesn’t matter.  As with other rankings, where I see tiers starting and ending is mentioned and my projections.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 starters for 2010 fantasy baseball:

1. Tim Lincecum – Went over Lincecum’s projections in the top 20 for 2010 fantasy baseball.

2. Felix Hernandez – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Greinke.  I call this tier, “F-Her vs. Greinke.”  I feel like F-Her doesn’t get his due.  I know he must be thrilled to finally get that acknowledgment from a fantasy baseball blog.  Fire your PR firm!  Imagine a 23-year-old pitcher in New York throwing 238 2/3 innings with a 2.49 ERA and 217 Ks.  Joba’s Mom opens a crystal meth lab in the bathroom of a Denny’s and it makes more news than F-Her.  Even in my blurb for F-Her I’m talking about Joba.  Guy gets no respect.  At least I didn’t talk about Greinke.  Oh, wait… 2010 Projections:  18-6/3.00/1.10/220

3. Zach Greinke – The only reason why Greinke is going before F-Her in drafts is because of hype.  Just something about someone reaching their potential that drives people crazy.  Greinke had an exceptional year in 2009.  No argument from me.  I before E except in Greinke, I know.  I just think F-Her’s a tad safer.  Maybe it’s the four straight years of 190+ innings from F-Her… Maybe it’s the jump in K-rate for Greinke and the more gradual increase for F-Her… Maybe it’s Greinke’s literal feel good story…. Maybe I’m just a cynic to hype… In the end, it’s not like I ranked Greinke 20th.  2010 Projections:  14-5/3.05/1.10/225

4. Roy Halladay – This is a new tier.  This tier goes until Johan.  I call this tier, “Don’t hate them because they’ve done it many times before.”  Went over my Halladay fantasy already.  2010 Projections:  17-8/3.02/1.14/185

5. CC Sabathia – Since I pitted Greinke vs. F-Her, let’s look at Sabathia vs. Johan.  Johan’s K-rate has been falling.  It was still 7.88 and slightly above CC at 7.71.  Johan’s walks went up last year:  2.48 BB/9.  Sabathia’s was still higher at 2.62.  Johan pitches in Metco, whereas CC’s in a Little League stadium.  Johan was dealing with some arm issues, so maybe that’s why he was wilder than usual and his strikeouts have been declining.  Yeah, maybe, but Johan was dealing with some arm issues so he’s below CC.  2010 Projections:  20-10/3.45/1.17/200

6. Johan Santana – I think reports of Johan’s doneness have been prematurely reported.  Will he give you 250 Ks and a 2.50?  Nah, those days are in the rear view, but 200 Ks and a 3.00 ERA seems completely doable.  2010 Projections:  18-7/3.15/1.18/200

7. Justin Verlander – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Wainwright.  I call this tier, “These guys have a legitimate chance of being on my team.”  I don’t draft starters high, but I am a whore for Ks.  They’re sorta like homers for me with hitters.  A homer gets you a Run, a RBI and boosts your average.  While a K doesn’t directly get you a Win, it does help ERA and WHIP.  It’s also one of the few things the pitcher controls.  Thanks to a fastball that averaged 96 MPH, Verlander had 269 Ks last year.  For starters last year, he ranked 7th for getting batters to chase pitches outside the strike zone.  If he can somehow avoid the terrible April he’s had two years in a row, he could be in for a sub-3 ERA. 2010 Projections:  17-11/3.25/1.20/230

8. Dan Haren – Haren is one of the most reliable pitchers.  Around a 3.20 ERA — check!  Around 200 Ks — check!  Terrible in the 2nd half — alas!  2010 Projections:  16-10/3.30/1.15/200

9. Jon Lester – Pitchers usually breakout in their third year starting.  Worked last year for Lester and I don’t see it as a fluke.  Will his K-rate continue to climb?  Probably not.  Is it a tough division?  Sorta.  Whole lot easier not facing the Sawx.  Last year, his FIP was 3.15.   He ranked behind only Lincecum and Verlander for K/9.  Could be Lincecum, Verlander and Lester at the top of the rankings next year.  2010 Projections:  17-7/3.35/1.20/215

10. Adam Wainwright – As with other rankings posts, there’s always a few that legitimately stump me.  I move them up and down and eventually settle on a place.  I don’t tell you this just so you can peer behind the curtain and see I’m not wearing pants.  I tell you this so you know I’m more iffy on certain players.  If they were to bomb, I wouldn’t be completely surprised.  So Wainwright was great last year, most signs point to him being able to repeat, but there’s a few red flags.  A Flag)  His innings jump.  He is older than the age when pitchers are usually flagged for that, but still.  B Flag) He relies heavily on breaking pitches.  Either he doesn’t trust his fastball or Yadier’s got carpal tunnel and can’t hold down one finger.  C Flag)  Whoever heard of a C Flag.  There’s no such thing.  2010 Projections:   16-8/3.30/1.18/190

11. Cole Hamels – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Kershaw.  I call this tier, “If I don’t get a pitcher from the previous tier, I’ll need someone from this tier.”  Sure, Hamels was full on crizzap last year.  Well, Happy New Year!  Hamels led all starters with least amount of contact made on pitches inside the strike zone.  That’s stuff.  He’s on a team that can give him a shot for 18-20 Wins, he can reach 190 Ks and a mid to low-3 ERA.  2010 Projections:  16-10/3.45/1.15/185

12. Josh Johnson – Tons of Ks, great ERA, insane FIP.  Yes!  Previous elbow problems combined with a huge innings bump, his 2.74 ERA pre-All-Star Break vs. his 4.00 ERA post-All-Star Break, somewhat lucky HR/FB.  This fish looks so damn tasty, but he might be tainted with mercury.  I don’t think he’s a slam dunk, but I’m willing to take the risk for the reward.  2010 Projections:  14-6/3.35/1.22/175

13. Cliff Lee – After Lee’s Cy Young win, I remained a non-believer.  After his 2009 year, I’ve seen the light.  I’m done fighting the man.  Lee’s a top starter.  And I just know that now that I’m in bed with him, I’m going to wake up with a horse’s head.  2010 Projections:  15-8/3.40/1.22/160

14. Ubaldo Jimenez – From May to October, Ubaldo’s ERA was 3.08.  And he has the most baldass name.  2010 Projections:  15-9/3.50/1.27/200

15. Ricky Nolasco – In 185 innings, Nolasco rang up 195 Ks and only gave up 44 walks.  His K/BB rate ranked fifth in the majors just behind Greinke, Vazquez, Haren and Halladay.  He ranked eighth for the times he was able to get a batter to swing outside of the strike zone, just below Verlander.  He also had a 5.06 ERA last year.   This was due to bad luck.  The ERA will come down.  This is a fantasy baseball trust exercise.  Fall into Nolasco’s arms, he’ll catch you.  2010 Projections:  15-7/3.55/1.20/200

16. Josh Beckett – Red State Jeter always seems to have stretches where he’ll throw a couple of 6 inning games and give up 8 runs in each, which is a dagger to the testicles.  But he’s consistently near 200 Ks, has a team that gives him wins and a 3.63 FIP or under for three years straight.  2010 Projections:  16-10/3.70/1.22/195

17. Clayton Kershaw – Kershaw is not the prototypical Grey crush.  He walks a lot of hitters and has a hard time getting out of the 6 inning.  A 21 year old who just had a 3.08 FIP and a 9.74 K/9 makes up for a whole lot of walks and short outings.  End of last year, I furthered my Kershaw fantasy.  2010 Projections:  12-4/3.20/1.22/200

18. Chris Carpenter – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Peavy.  I call this tier, “Avoid.”  I know all that jazz about Duncan teaching his starters to pitch to contact.  Well, here’s a jazz riff for you.  I don’t want my fantasy starters pitching to contact when I have to pay for them with a top draft pick.  If Carp comes cheap, then sure, otherwise I think he’s too hyped, even outside The Bootheel.  2010 Projections:  14-7/3.10/1.05/135

19. Yovani Gallardo – We had a good run last year, but it went on too long and wasn’t that pretty towards the end.  I could see my avoidance of Gallardo biting me in the ass because he is an extreme strikeout pitcher, which I like, but the innings jump from 2008 to 2009 raises too many questions for me.  2010 Projections:  14-9/3.85/1.32/175

20. Jake Peavy – It’s with great regret Peavy ends up in the avoid tier.  He’s just been too injured the last couple of seasons.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice and, well, you know the cliché.  And now he’s out of Petco.  Lates, Peave.  2010 Projections:  10-5/3.35/1.15/145

  1. get figgy with it says:

    What e-mail should I send the cheat sheet to

  2. Jeagle says:

    Greinke reminds me a lot of Josh Hamilton from last year where everyone falls in love with the story and pays for a year of production. Id much rather have Fher but i probably wont draft either.

  3. Steve says:

    If you get someone from the Verlander-Wainwright tier, are you also dipping into the Hamels-Kershaw tier?

    Similarly, if your first starter comes from the Hamels-Kershaw tier, are you maybe taking another from that tier?

  4. joe from pt. pleasant says:

    1. cant see johan being soooo high, his avg fastball velocity was down quite a bit last year and that was before the surgery. i definitely wouldnt risk a pick on him.

    2. where is roy oswalt… i think he should be in the top 20 albeit towards the latter. his consistency cannot be forgotten after just one season of less than 200 ip. the guy is a horse.

    3. I COMPLETELY AGREE on verlander and lester. i love them. my top 5 this year goes greinke, lincecum, f-her, verlander, halladay. i put lester wainwright cc and haren right outside of them.

    4. only other thing i disagree on is cole hamels being in the top 15. i think he is garbage, i watched too many stinkers from him last year (im from the philly area). i would take every single person on that list before him, and some other that aren’t listed as well.

    5. i think u did a great job, and i hope u realize that my criticism is meant to be constructive and is purely just my opinion. for the most part i agree with you on everything and i love reading your articles. thanks!

  5. Eddy says:

    Grey I’m a little surprised that Halladay isn’t #3. The dude’s been doing it (being a friggin’ efficient workhorse) for an eternity it seems. The move to the NL gives him a major boost this season and his new found team really provides chances for him to win 20 games. Seeing as how Greinke is only a cpl years removed from mediocrity, Halladay is a safer bet, and I think he merits a rd.3 pick.

    And for those that say “but he’s in Citizens park!!”, he is, but let’s not forget that if he handled the yanks and sox with ease in their respective parks year after year, then there’s no reason to deny that he’ll dominate the NL.

  6. Thanks Grey.

    Surprised you don’t have Wand-Rod in that group with Kershaw, Jiminez, Johnson etc. after his 2009. I know he’ll be in the 21-40 group but I like him over those avoid guys like Peev.

    And is Webb a better risk than Peavy for 2010? His 2008 numbers give me nipplus erecticus.

  7. Mikey boy324 says:

    Grey I usually don’t draft pitchers until late who would be the last person on this list I should be considering as my number 1?..also who is your biggest sleeper pick?

  8. pwire says:

    Anyone and of course the pert Grey,
    I am in a 14 team 5×5 that trades draft picks. Through trades, I have been able to accumulate the following overall picks.

    I am obviously going Pujols and Hanley- and I am thinking about trading 20 and 58 for 7 and 114 to get Lincecum there if available. My questions are 1) should I make that trade or should I ‘settle’ for Felix? 2) Who would you take if you were in my shoes with these early picks in terms of value?

  9. Real Tom says:

    I’m targeting Nolasco, but I’m sad that more people are paying attention to things like FIP. Those bastards.

    I’ll be looking for a near-sure thing (Haren or Lester), and then aim for Nolasco, Hamels, and Billingsley. I’ll grab two or three of those and go from there. I really like Nolasco, Hamels and Bills, since they got devalued by off-years. I want all of them.

  10. Real Tom says:

    There seem to be SO MANY high upside pitchers this year. I’m excited about hearing your other pitching sleepers. I might be looking for Sanchez and Cueto too, since people are less intrigued by them.

  11. peter says:

    Carpenter is on my avoid list, too. Unfortunately, I’ve got him in a keeper league and keeping him is free – without many alternatives – so he’s also ended up on my “no brainer” list. How soon until we see Billingsley on the list? And should I try to get out of a situation where I’m pairing Bills & Carp?

  12. GopherDay says:

    Grey, after Lincecum, F-Her, and Greinke, who is your next ranked couple of pitchers to keep long term?

  13. tony says:

    @pwire: how dumb are your leaguemates if they’re dealing you 3 top ten picks?

    Thank god the pitchers list is up because the DH/Utility list was horrendous, yesterday was a bummer of a day… lol

    i am in agreeance that I wouldn’t draft carpenter or peavy on my team. I’d actually avoid Johan as well. I’ve seen grey talk about him in the right spot he’d take him, but i’m not sold…. maybe its that i traded for him last yr then he went down? (bitter) I just dont trust the guy. If he fell to me in like the 7th round, MAYBE.

    Same with some other guys, hamels, he’d have to come to me late for me to take him, we’re talking 10th round on….

    Lester, wainy, JJ, cliff lee, and carp are some of my targets on this list. Of course i like others but these are guys i could actually own.

  14. pwire says:

    @tony: I understand that you might think I’m in some ‘rookie’ league with a bunch of idiots etc, but there are some guys who would rather have a bunch of depth than one elite. If you look at my board i would not be drafting for long stretches…
    This was the specific trade I made for pick 1.
    My 27, 55, and 111 for 1, 140, 196

  15. tony says:

    @pwire: no i understand you said it was a 14 team league correct? I just dont see how trading for depth is going to beat a team with 3 first rounders plus other later value picks? toss up to me….

    You could easily take PUJOLS and deal him for better players than a 27, 55, and 111, you know what i mean… PUJOLS is worth basically a a 2nd and 3rd rounder…. IDK, maybe i’m crazy but I think you’re getting a great deal, you can always deal those first rounders like I just mentioned for more than what it looks like you’re giving up…. IMO.

  16. GopherDay says:

    @tony: Peoples perception of draft picks are distorted. In the middle of a season, someone wouldn’t let anyone touch their 5th round pick, but would gladly trade next years 5th round pick.

  17. tony says:

    @GopherDay: i guess but i’m pretty sure someone would deal two good players better than a 27 and 55th picks for PUJOLS

  18. Grey

    Grey says:

    @get figgy with it: I got it, but aren’t you going to do the rest of the pitchers?

    @Jeagle: Similar feel good stories, but the history of injury isn’t nearly as strong.

    @Steve: Doubtful I would have 2 starters from the top 20. Never know how far one might fall though, I guess.

    @joe from pt. pleasant: Cool, thanks! re: Oswalt — He has declining everything.

    @Eddy: I could see them being flip-flopped. Halladay does feel a bit safer.

    @Fman99: Not really excited about Webb, don’t think the risk is worth the reward.

    @Mikey boy324: Hamels is being drafted 101st on average. I’d want a pitcher before that.

    @pwire: I’d just take F-Her.

    @Real Tom: Yeah, that would be a dream staff.

    @peter: Bills is coming in the next list. Bills and Carp doesn’t sound bad at all because Bills biggest issue of WHIP is helped by Carp.

    @GopherDay: Depends how much you have to pay for them.

  19. Mikey boy324 says:

    So wainwright would be the last pitcher you’d take for your number 1?

  20. Frank Rizzo says:

    It’s hard not to get a broner for Halladay this year, moving to the NL. Shouldn’t he dominate? Anyone have the splits from when he’s faced NL teams handy?

    Good list. Off the beaten path. I’ve done a couple of mocks and guys like Ubaldo and Nolasco can be had relatively late.

  21. Fanta says:

    Fine stuff, as usual. But what about this part of Fman99’s post: “Surprised you don’t have Wand-Rod in that group with Kershaw, Jiminez, Johnson etc. after his 2009. I know he’ll be in the 21-40 group but I like him over those avoid guys like Peev.” Am curious myself.

  22. matthole says:

    @Grey: not a fan of javy vazquez to yanks i take it

  23. The Dude says:

    I just got offered a deal in my keeper league and just need some reassurance before i pull the trigger…

    This league uses OBP instead of AVG

    I give: Dunn, C. Pena, Wandy, 2nd Round Pick (after 8 keepers, so essentially the 10th round)

    I get: Howard, Felix, 13th Round Pick (essentially 21st and last round)

    The best part of this is that I probably couldn’t keep more than Dunn from my give list. No brainer right?

    Other keepers:

    one of:

  24. Jo says:

    @Frank Rizzo: go checkout the post that grey linked to Halladay, his splits are in there. And yeah, Nolasco is the man, by taking him later and one other elite P, I feel like i’m getting a dream team p staff…. although Ubaldo worries me b/c of the park he’s in, I don’t think I’ll ever own a Col. pitcher

  25. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Mikey boy324: Nope , read Hamels’s tier name.

    @Frank Rizzo: Yeah, pitchers after the top 10 seem like they’re all over the map. Can take Hamels as late as 120 in some and in the 80s in others. The splits vs. the NL are in the link that I linked to in the Halladay blurb.

    @Fanta: Kershaw’s being drafted on average 105th overall. Carp’s being drafted around 70th. So if Carp’s around after Kershaw, I would even draft him, but there’s little to no chance that is happening anyway. Same with Peavy and YoGa.

  26. Jo says:

    @The Dude: what keeper are you in? I want to play with these guys… that’s a slam dunk

  27. Grey

    Grey says:

    @matthole: Nope, went over him when he went to the Yanks too.

    @The Dude: I’d do it.

  28. Frank Rizzo says:

    @Grey: Sorry. Should have checked the Halladay link before asking for splits. And yes, Hamels is another pitcher who went extremely low in mocks I’ve been in. Some good value there.

    I’m interested to see where Tommy Hanson falls in your top 40……I’m assuming he’ll be in there.

    Speaking of value….in both mocks I was in (MDC) recently, I was able to get Carlos Quentin in the 10th and 11th rounds….WTF?

  29. The Dude says:

    @Jo: This is the sixth season for this keeper league. When that amount of time passes in an 8 man keeper things can become very skewed. Arod is the only player I own from the original 2005 draft. There are 3-4 (of 12) absolutely dominant teams in this league now and I’m fortunate enough to be one of them (partially thanks to Grey – props!).

    The reason I can get this kind of deal is that the other owner has AWFUL low end keepers and he’s decided he’s better off to have more mediocre keepers than a few really good ones and a few really bad ones. That’s not a strategy that I adhere to, but I sure am ready to facilitate it…

  30. Cheese

    Cheese says:

    @Grey: Great job. Many people have Greinke pegged above F-Her, but I had a feeling you were going to have the top 3 in this order, top 4 even. How many of these pitchers would you own on a typical team? 1 for sure, but ever 2? Or do you find there’s more value later on? Thanks.

  31. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Frank Rizzo: Yeah, that’s why I highlighted him last week (I think it was last week).

    @Cheese: 2 if they fell the right way. If say Johan fell into the 6th, as I’ve seen, and Hamels fell into, say, the 9th, then it could happen.

  32. mikey boy324 says:

    grey ive always played in h2h leagues but this year i wanna enter a tournament in the nfbc and its a 12 team 5*5 roto scoring how much different is roto then h2h and is there anything i should be looking for more or less in roto? thanks really appreciate the help

  33. mikey boy324 says:

    grey i usually play in h2h leagues but i wanna enter the nfbc tournament which is a 12 team 5*5 roto scoring whats the difference in terms of drafting that i should be looking for compared to h2h? thanks really appreciate the help

  34. majortommy19 says:

    You are one of the only people I have seen that has Kershaw ranked ahead of Gallardo. Kershaw is a holy roller. You think he ever tries to get Torre to stop drinking? Old Joe could lead santas sleigh with that big red gin nose!

  35. mikey boy324 says:

    sorry for the double my comp is messed up

  36. ThePoonTycoon says:

    @pwire: in today’s baseball, you gotta go with the elites, because there is a massive, sharp drop off after only a few players at most hitting positions. it’s not like pre-steroid testing when you could draft consistent .300-30-100 guys in the 7th and 8th rounds.

  37. majortommy19 says:

    the biggest thing about roto is the innings max. You don’t need as much pitching as long as it is quality. I feel that pitching should be taken earlier in roto. And strong middle inning guys with good K numbers are always good to have in Roto(think Marmol from a couple years ago)

  38. ThePoonTycoon says:

    @The Dude: things can sour awfully quick if you have some bad luck though. going into 2009, in a 5 man keeper league, my 5 keepers were braun, rollins, arod, bj upton (traded in for him in a deal involving holliday after holliday was sent to the A’s and upgraded a draft pick or 2 for the 2009 draft), and hamilton. arguably 3 1st rounders in mock drafts, and pretty much all 5 guys universally ranked in the top 30 overall players. well, you can imagine how that turned out, i was scraping to make the playoffs (thank god for favorable tiebreakers) and knocked out in the semis.

  39. Grey

    Grey says:

    @mikey boy324: Drafting in roto, you want balance more than anything. Bourn’s great for H2H, not as good for roto. Day to day play changes a lot because you’re in it for the long haul. For instance, I could probably juggle five different hot hitters and/or pitchers from week to week in H2H and still finish at the top.

  40. majortommy19 says:

    Grey, you prefer H2H or roto?
    I like H2H personally. I have tried Roto a couple times and done well, but it just doesn’t have the same fun/strategy level that H2H has.

  41. Grey

    Grey says:

    @majortommy19: I prefer roto, it’s much harder to win with less luck involved.

  42. majortommy19 says:

    BAH, all you “experts” like roto better.

  43. Mikey boy324 says:

    I see should I be looking for more steals or hrs etc then h2h?

  44. The Dude says:

    @ThePoonTycoon: Yeah, all bets are off in H2H, but this is a roto league. The law of averages usually prevails, except when you get stung with injuries.

  45. matthole says:

    @Grey: In my league SPs get snapped up early; very possible that guys like lester, Haren, and even wainwright will be gone by end of 5th rd…..which guys on the list do u see as best value for potential SP 1 and how high would you draft them to ensure you have one of them – Who do u see as the last viable SP 1?

    would u make sure you have a top 13 ranked guy regardless of the rd you may have to select him? even if it means grabbing a top 13 ranked guy by rd 6/7? thanks

  46. Grey

    Grey says:

    @matthole: There’s 17 guys here I like, not 13. I’d like to have a top 17 guy, but I wouldn’t reach for one. If they’re not there, then you have to find value later.

  47. Jarrad says:

    So, right now I’ve got Votto, Panda, Ells, Halladay, and Wainwright as my keepers. Should I just scrap the idea of going for another elite pitcher and go straight for bats through the first 10-12 rounds?

  48. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Jarrad: I wouldn’t draft another starter until around Tim Hudson’s tier, which is to come.

  49. Tarasco'sSecretStash says:

    I don’t wanna jump the gun in case he sneaks into your top 80 Grey, but what to make of Fransisco Liriano? Disaster of a year last year, mechanics all gummed up, a shell of his former self…then he drops 37 & change 0 ER innings in the DR winter league with a heater reportedly sitting back in the low 90’s again. What kind of peers is he keeping right now in terms of ADP, and is he worth the energy of a flier this year?

  50. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Tarasco’sSecretStash: There will be an entire post dedicated to him.

    ****THERE’S A NEW POST TOO.***

  51. Tarasco'sSecretStash says:

    Dynamite, thx.

  52. MrMojoRisin says:

    Love your blog, found it last year and it is a very entertaining read while providing useful info. I love how you keep those two areas in perfect balance. Too many fantasy analysts are too dry or think they are Chris Rock and go to the extreme of trying to be too funny, while you provide each in a perfect equality.
    All right, enough a$$ kissing. You’re great we all know it, which is why we are here. On to my question:
    I have to decide between Cole Hamels and Josh Johnson as my pitching keeper. It’s a fantasy point league, non-H2H, that places a high premium on SPs. Basically the scoring is 10pts for win, -5pts for loss, 1pt for every out & K, -1pt for every ER, BB & H.
    I’m leaning towards JJ b/c I think I can get Hamels back in a later round than JJ. Although JJ’s IP jump and injury history worry me.

  53. Mike says:

    I like Peavy this year. He is more draftable than most of the top 20 pitchers.

    Last year he had an ankle injury, nothing arm related, and came back strong with the White Sox. Peripherals were better than 2008 in the 100+ IP he did pitch.

    Yeah yeah yeah, no more Petco. Petco Schmetco. Now he gets to pitch against the pathetic offenses of the Royals, Tigers, and Indians, that’s got to be better for the numbers than any park effects.

    The top 10 are pretty crappy options aside from Lincecum. Halladay may only dominate the NL like Johan has. The mandatory “OMG league switch” wanrings are really starting to bore me. If you dictate your picks on those factors instead of pitching ability, you’re a douche.

  54. Grey

    Grey says:

    @MrMojoRisin: Thanks for the kind words! Hamels is safer, Johnson’s upside is a bit prettier as is his home park. I’d go for Hamels, but if you can get him back, go for Johnson.

  55. MrPittsSox says:

    @majortommy19: shame on you…thou shall not speak ill of the great Papa Joe…per Kershaw…how do you draft someone that high that will end up with 15 decisions?

  56. Mike says:

    Kershaw was babied last year, his pitch counts were often not that high when he was yanked IIRC. This year he will surely have a longer leash and should be a little better at throwing efficient innings.

    Broxton blew at least a couple Kershaw road wins I think.

  57. Brock Landers says:

    It took me a second to get but Red State Jeter had me laughing for a while.

  58. BigFatHippo says:

    @Grey: Sorry I missed the Bootheel shout, I know that’s a dig trying to bring me back from the dead. Nicely done…………….”Carp wins 2nd Cy Young”……………you heard it here first. *

    *hey, I’m like TMZ!

  59. Mindi Cohn says:

    first time, long time…

    already keeping Carpenter (17th rd),votto (6th) and zobrist (10th)

    Can keep 2 more if i’d like—have option of keeping Gallardo (7th), Nabisco (8th) and/or Cueto (22nd)…

    i’m tempted to only bc the following SP’s will be kept already (felix,grienke,verlander,kershaw,ubaldo,JJ and Wainwright)…or is that just dumb?

  60. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Mindi Cohn: Nice username. Not sure of your other options to keep besides those three, so I’d go Nolasco and Cueto.

  61. Chi Hustle says:

    Lotta love for Nolasco from the ‘perts this year, Grey. But Florida’s defense is still gonna be pretty Uggla in ’10. Odds are he’ll be “unlucky” to some extent again, no? I could see 25 or maybe 25, but at 15 I’d rather have Hanson every time.

    That said, I consistently lose pitching cats and rock bats.

    Keep up the good work!

  62. majortommy19 says:

    @MrPittsSox: because he will give me 200 K’s. W’s are subjective. They involve a lot of mitigating factors. He could win 9 or he could win 16. But he will most definitely have 200 k’s and an era at worse of 3.45.

  63. Oscar says:

    Did I make a mistake drafting Peavy and Wandy, should I start hoping Santana from the LAA comes back like right now???

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