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And we’ve reached our final top 20 recap for the infield. You’ll never guess where we go next. Did you just say outfield? Okay, so you’re a good guesser. 3rd base was the shallowest position. Yes, worse than the catchers. I know, I was shocked when I went over them, and guess what? Still shocked! VinWins did a positional comparison, and here’s what we have:

SS: 593 AB/163 H/93 R/22 HR/81 RBI/27 SB/.275
2B: 539 AB/143 H/80 R/20 HR/74 RBI/16 SB/.266
1B: 570 AB/159 H/85 R/29 HR/97 RBI/6 SB/.278
C: 498 AB/130 H/70 R/26 HR/79 RBI/5 SB/.260

Shortstops were solid. No question there. 2nd basemen? Not great, but Ernie Clement was 20th there, and 12th here. Pretty pathetic for 3rd basemen. 1st basemen? Much better, and Lenyn Sosa was 20th for 1st basemen, he’s 8th here. Cringe. Catchers? The 16th best catcher (Realmuto) was worth $4.70, 16th best 3rd baseman? $2.3 (Durbin) and he’s the last guy here above a dollar in value. Pathetic. If I had to rank the infield from least to best: 3B, Catchers, 2B, 1B, SS. This is the first time a position other than catchers is the shallowest (that I recall). To recap my recap before the recap, this final ranking is from our Fantasy Baseball Player Rater with my comments. This is not for next year. Anyway, here’s the top 20 3rd basemen for 2025 fantasy baseball and how they compare to where I originally ranked them:

1. Jose Ramirez – No one really cares about steals when judging real baseball players, but one thing I never hear about is how steals numbers no longer mean anything. JoJoRam’s steals from just before pitch clock to now: 20, 28, 41, 44. Stupid. Rickey Henderson would’ve stole 200 bags with the pitch clock. Any hoo! Jose is the best 3rd baseman and was ranked first for 3rd basemen in the preseason and is still underrated! Preseason Rank #1, 2025 Projections: 103/36/111/.276/28 in 604 ABs, Final Numbers: 103/30/85/.283/44 in 593 ABs

2. Junior Caminero – If I were Caminero, I would show up at Big Stein Stadium next year and refuse to play back in the Trop. Okay, that is kinda unfair. He’s likely a 32-35 homer guy in a MLB park, just maybe not easy 45 homers. Hilariously, if he called Bing Bong home? He would’ve hit 51 homers. Oh, and because I think I forgot to do it when it was time, Cal Raleigh would’ve had 69 homers in SacTown. Nice. Preseason Rank #9, 2025 Projections:  82/28/88/.264/7 in 572 ABs, Final Numbers: 93/45/110/.264/7 in 602 ABs

3. Eugenio Suarez – He was on a historic run before being shipped to Seattle and being overshadowed by Cal. That shadow looks like a giant peach. Weird. It also didn’t help Suarez that he can’t hit well in the park he calls home. A small caveat! Look at me, I’m an Eugenius. Eugenio reminds me of a low-rent Adrian Beltre. Don’t touch his head! I say that because Beltre quietly put together a bunch of solid years which ended up equalling a lot of stats. Suarez will end up with 400+ homers, barring a catastrophe (or more years in Seattle), and I don’t think anyone expected that a few years ago. Preseason Rank #18, 2025 Projections: 74/27/88/.231/2 in 539 ABs, Final Numbers: 91/49/118/.228/4 in 588 ABs

4. Rafael Devers – Already went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2025 fantasy baseball.

5. Manny Machado – The bar is so low for this position that I see Machado doing what he’s supposed to do, and he brings me great joy. Is 27/14 a statline for great joy? Well, it’s basically Willy Adames. (Yes, Manny’s average is much better.) Preseason Rank #5, 2025 Projections: 71/31/108/.272/10 in 581 ABs, Final Numbers: 91/27/95/.275/14 in 615 ABs

6. Jazz Chisholm Jr. – See his recap at the top 20 2nd basemen for 2025 fantasy baseball.

7. Maikel Garcia – See his recap at the top 20 2nd basemen for 2025 fantasy baseball.

8. Lenyn Sosa – Already went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2025 fantasy baseball.

9. Matt Chapman – He had a Naylor 27 season in 2024, and showed up in 2025 with his best impression of Matt Chapman every other year. Preseason Rank #15, 2025 Projections: 81/25/86/.242/7 in 527 ABs, Final Numbers: 76/21/61/.231/9 in 454 ABs

10. Addison Barger – An actual bright spot in the 3rd basemen! Yes, a guy who hit 21 homers with zero speed is a bright spot. What do you want me to tell you, it’s not a great position. Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 61/21/74/.243/4 in 460 ABs

11. Zach McKinstry – Kinda wild the 11th best 3rd baseman was a guy who I remember in the postseason being introduced as, “He has eleven hitless games in his last 14.” 3rd basemen are defined by two attributes: A guy you didn’t want on your team who got a lot of ABs (McKinstry) or a guy who you wanted who didn’t get enough ABs (Barger, Caballero). Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 68/12/49/.259/19 in 452 ABs

12. Ernie Clement – See his recap at the top 20 2nd basemen for 2025 fantasy baseball.

13. Alex Bregman – The 13th best 3rd baseman is also the last guy on this list I can defend holding all year (yes, even while on IL) in mixed fantasy leagues. 3rd basemen are vomit. As for Bregman, give him 571 ABs, as I projected him for, and he’s basically right in line with what you’d expect. Preseason Rank #10, 2025 Projections: 92/25/81/.282/5 in 571 ABs, Final Numbers: 64/18/62/.273/1 in 433 ABs

14. Jose Caballero – So, my Bregman blurb — Blurbman — means I can’t make the case that Caballero should’ve been rostered all year? That’s right. He shouldn’t have. He wasn’t even a starter for the whole year. I could see holding him if you needed steals. Though, SAGNOF is great and all but very hard to justify starting him every day when he wasn’t playing and you were hoping he’d come into the later innings and steal a bag or two. Preseason Rank #34, 2025 Projections: 36/6/31/.220/32 in 341 ABs, Final Numbers: 52/5/36/.236/49 in 314 ABs

15. Miguel Vargas – Some of these preseason ranks are way off, but it’s kinda like catchers in this respect: When a player’s ranking can change based on one hot week because no one is good, then rankings will change dramatically on swings, literally. For unstints, look at Caballero’s projections vs. end of year numbers and look at the huge difference in ranking. Preseason Rank #48, 2025 Projections: 51/12/56/.206/10 in 476 BAs, Final Numbers: 80/16/60/.234/6 in 504 ABs

16. Caleb Durbin – Not really sure how to explain guys who have no business stealing bags getting 30, and guys like Durbin not cracking 20. I guess rookies just not being comfortable with running or being allowed to run is one explanation. I don’t know if that’s accurate, it’s merely a guess. If Durbin steals 40+ bags in 2026, then I guess we’ll know. Preseason Rank #42 for 2B, 2025 Projections: 41/8/40/.271/15 in 302 ABs, Final Numbers: 60/11/53/.256/18 in 445 ABs

17. Max Muncy – He’s the 17th best 3rd baseman and he barely played four months, and was a two category guy even when he did. Super sad, 3rd basemen. Preseason Rank #27, 2025 Projections: 51/20/54/.206/1 in 397 ABs, Final Numbers: 48/19/67/.243/4 in 313 ABs

18. Alec Bohm – He’s a 11-homer, .280 hitter with zero speed. This position is giving me the gee-dee yawns! Preseason Rank #16, 2025 Projections: 72/18/92/.282/5 in 550 ABs, Final Numbers: 53/11/59/.287/2 in 464 ABs

19. Carlos Correa – He’s ranked 279th overall (and Baty’s at 281). Right in from of them is Nolan Schanuel — the 32nd best 1st baseman! — and Adrian Houser — the 74th best starter! Ha! Preseason Rank #25 for SS, 2025 Projections: 64/17/52/.276 in 456 ABs, Final Numbers: 63/13/52/.276 in 537 ABs

20. Brett Baty – That he made the top 20 3rd baseman isn’t even a positive. I’m sorry. If you can’t make the top 20 3rd basemen, do you even have 3rd base eligibility? Preseason Rank #45, 2025 Projections: 37/12/46/.234/2 in 302 ABs, Final Numbers: 53/18/50/.254/8 in 393 ABs

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bossmanjunior333
bossmanjunior333
7 days ago

12 team ottoneu points league

My $15 Luzardo for his $14 King and $11 Muncy

This format doesn’t have CI, but does have MI and 5 OF. Muncy would be my UTL since I already have Machado. If King is healthy and reverts to his 2024 form, it could be a steal. Especially if the glasses really helped Muncy. No penalty for K in this format, so Muncy was actually tied for 7th with Machado for P/G at 3B. There is obviously also a chance Luzardo was tipping his pitches and his overall numbers could be a lot better. The biggest negative in this format is home runs allowed. Thanks.

Boomer19
Boomer19
1 month ago

Hopefully Jays can square it up tonight! Hey I got offered Yamamoto and Chourio for my Skenes and Ketel Marte for next year. 5×5 roto 14 team. Keep just for next year. Seems like a decent offer. I can’t decide if I want to take it or it just looks good because I am bored.

SteveNZ
1 month ago

I think Big Dumper went out to Kirby and said “stop throwing it over the middle of the plate”.

SteveNZ
Reply to  SteveNZ
1 month ago

George wasn’t listening.

schoolboy p
schoolboy p
1 month ago

Durbin have more upside next year than Stott?

Dude
Dude
1 month ago

Keeper league NL 5×5 w/BA, right now would you keep Baty or Moniak?

FireRobManfred
FireRobManfred
1 month ago

Okay so I’m punting on 2B and 3B. Going to end up drafting a catcher in the first 10 rounds at this point.

Luigi
Luigi
1 month ago

how we feeling about Matt Shaw for next year? Potential keeper at 3B. Would you rather own him or Misiorowski in a forever keeper league?

toolshed
1 month ago

I agree with you about Rickey Henderson. As far as I am concerned, stolen bases should have an asterisk by them starting in 2023 when rule changes were made. They are NOT the same. Steals had been trending down for years. Over last 3 years, sb’s are up an average of 42% from 2022 and 59% from 2021 levels.

1000018429
toolshed
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

Yes, I wish other guys would push it who can steal. It’s kind like a switch that some guys have to try harder. Abrams does not have that switch

FireRobManfred
FireRobManfred
Reply to  toolshed
1 month ago

I’m so mad at players (and teams) that don’t steal when it’s basically a free bag at this point.

mcmi11ions
1 month ago

Hey grey! What are we (royal “we”… I mean “you”) thinking about Colson Montgomery for next year? 21 HR, 0 steals, .840 OPS all in the 2nd half? I feel like next year he could be a 30 HR hitter, or maybe only get 15? Mark Vientos has scarred me for guys like this.

Manormachine
Manormachine
1 month ago

How do we feel about Noelvi Marte for next year?

toolshed
1 month ago

Another guy who didn’t make the cut was Riley. That’s back to back years now missing 50 or more games. I used to think he was a solid get in the draft. Even while healthy, he was not that effective. I think I remember you saying you are out or done with him. Is that still the case?

VinWins
1 month ago

The average stats for the top 12 third basemen:

2025: 541 AB/141 H/82 R/27 HR/82 RBI/14 SB/.260
2024: 554 AB/145 H/79 R/23 HR/83 RBI/11 SB/.261

More Runs, HR, and SB than last year!

VinWins
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

Jose was much better last year – 114 R/39 HR/118 RBI/41 SB/.279. The rest of the top 12 of 2024:

Manny Machado 77 R/29 HR/105 RBI/11 SB/.275
Eugenio Suarez 90 R/30 HR/101 RBI/2 SB/.256
Matt Chapman 98 R/27 HR/78 RBI/15 SB/.247
Rafael Devers 87 R/28 HR83 RBI/3 SB/.272
Alex Bregman 79 R/26 HR/75 RBI/3 SB/.260
Alec Bohm 62 R/15 HR/97 RBI/5 SB/.280
Maikel Garcia 84 R/7 HR/58 RBI/37 SB/.231
Mark Vientos 58 R/27 HR/71 RBI/0 SB/.266
Nolan Arenado 70 R/16 HR/71 RBI/2 SB/.272
Josh H. Smith 67 R/13 HR/62 RBI/11 SB/.258
Isaac Paredes 64 R/19 HR/80 RBI/1 SB/.238

VinWins
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

I just realized when I did the top 12 at each position last year, I only used a player once. So Elly appeared as a SS, and not a 3B. So my looks at the 2 years have not really been a fair comparison.

VinWins
1 month ago

The overall overall rank on the RAZZBALL PLAYER RATER along with the RCL ADP in 24 drafts March 17 – 26.

RANK…………………ADP
08 Jose Ramirez 5
13 Junior Caminero 82.7
24 Eugenio Suarez 148.9
37 Rafael Devers 35.5
38 Manny Machado 31.2
51 Jazz Chisholm Jr. 21.6
70 Maikel Garcia 178
171 Lenyn Sosa ND
181 Matt Chapman 109.4
197 Addison Barger ND

207 Zach McKinstry ND
211 Ernie Clement 268 (1 draft)
213 Alex Bregman 77.9
214 Jose Caballero 266.6 (11 drafts)
225 Miguel Vargas ND
233 Caleb Durbin 281 (1 draft)
263 Max Muncy 182.4 (23 drafts)
277 Alec Bohm 163.6
282 Carlos Correa 227 (23 drafts)
284 Brett Baty 268.7 (3 drafts)

312 Isaac Paredes 133.7
317 Austin Riley 25.7
319 Josh Jung 223.3 (23 drafts)
324 Javier Baez ND
326 Noelvi Marte ND
334 Matt Shaw 182.1
338 Josh H. Smith ND
339 Jordan Westburg 73.6
351 Brooks Lee ND
356 Colt Keith 245.5 (22 drafts)

358 Colson Montgomery ND
364 Ryan McMahon 266.7 (16 drafts)
394 Mark Vientos 79.2
400 Eric Wagaman ND
405 Joey Ortiz 279.3 (10 drafts)
418 Miguel Andujar ND
426 Cam Smith 192.1 (20 drafts)
429 Royce Lewis 212.8 (23 drafts)
449 Jake Burger 100.3
455 Luis Rengifo 173.2

461 Nolan Arenado 210 (23 drafts)
481 Tommy Edman 174.6
483 Willi Castro 221.5
485 Isiah Kiner-Falefa ND
492 Gabriel Arias ND
495 Ke’Bryan Hayes 289 (1 draft)
509 Jonathan India 188.2
554 Daniel Schneemann ND
569 Connor Norby 257.6 (16 drafts)
575 Nolan Gorman 246.8 (4 drafts)

645 Dylan Moore 258.3 (4 drafts)
648 Christopher Morel 249.1 (19 drafts)
883 Enrique Hernandez 249.4 (10 drafts)
1264 Matt Vierling 259 (2 drafts)
1350 Jeimer Candelario 266.5 (2 drafts)

VinWins
Reply to  VinWins
1 month ago

And Sosa won’t even have 3B eligibility next year.

toolshed
Reply to  VinWins
1 month ago

Joey Ortiz and Lewis. Had them both in a dynasty league. Ugh.

toolshed
1 month ago

I thought isaac Paredes may still have made this list despite missing 55 games due to a bad hammy injury. He was doing exactly what i wanted and expected. He is made for that park. I hope to get another discount on him next year if he is healthy. No steals but a productive/ good value pick.

1000018422
Last edited 1 month ago by toolshed
VinWins
Reply to  toolshed
1 month ago

Just missed at #21! I guess Baty’s 8 steals snuck him ahead of Paredes.

MJ888
MJ888
Reply to  toolshed
1 month ago

Agree! Paredes is the guy I’d target next year as he should ne productive in that park. Just need him to stay healthy.