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Psst! This post is gonna list 2nd basemen that you should target in your 2024 fantasy baseball drafts. I’m whispering because you don’t want everyone to see this post. No, I can’t whisper louder, then it WOULDN’T BE WHISPERING! Okay, gig’s up (or maybe that’s jig’s up), the love I’m about to reiterately (Made Up Word of the Day!) confirm is on these guys I love later in drafts. I’m not going to mention Bryson Stott other than this one mention of him where I say I’m not going to mention him. At least that’s my apophasis and I’m sticking to it! These are players that you’re looking at later and all of them have ADPs after 200 (unlike Stott; okay, two non-mentions). Some could be the 2nd baseman on your team, they are more than likely MIs. This is a (legal-in-all-countries-except-Canada) supplement to the top 20 2nd basemen for 2024 fantasy baseball. Click on the player’s name where applicable to read more and see their 2024 projections. Anyway, here’s some 2nd basemen to target for 2024 fantasy baseball:

Nolan Gorman (Yahoo 189) Ya know what I like to do for this post? Forget everything I’ve said before and just look at guys fresh. Gorman went 27/7 last year in only 406 ABs. In Triple-A, he had a 19.2% K% and a .274 average. Will he get there in the majors after having a 31.9% K% last year? No idea, but he was only 23, why can’t his Ks get better? This is always so dumb with projections. People just assume a guy is exactly what he was and will be again. Everyone is giving him a 30% or worse K%. If he hits .240-45, then so be it, but he could be a 35/12/.260 hitter at 2nd base with two aging bats in the middle of the order that have to make room for new blood at some point. Give me all the Nolan Gorman shares. (Note: I wrote this prior to a Yahoo update, when Gorman was ranked outside of 200 and eligible for this post, so here ya are.)

Edouard Julien (NFBC 212, ESPN 217) I love Julien — gave you an Edouard Julien sleeper — so don’t take this the wrong way, but he’s being drafted before Gorman in some leagues. That’s wild. Gorman just went 27/7 and Julien went 16/3. I like Julien a lot, so I won’t belabor this, but what is going on in people’s noodles? Your shizz is undercooked, al dente at best. With that out of the way, Julien would be a top 120 overall bat if he wasn’t a lefty. Julien’s walk rate alone (don’t usually care, but it’s gorge) should have him out there every day. Oh, he won’t be. He’s a lefty, and Baldelli doesn’t play guys every day, even if he should. Julien has one of the prettiest batted ball profiles and I want him everywhere (though slightly less so than Gorman, but that shouldn’t stop anyone).

Jonathan India (NFBC 280, ESPN unranked) If there was one team that could absorb an 80-day suspension from its 3rd baseman, it was the Reds. I wrote an India sleeper this year, but didn’t post it when Jeimer was signed and India’s PT was clogged. Here’s a part of that sleeper post presented to you:

Last year, Jonathan India went 78/17/61/.244/14 in 454 ABs. Not to shake out of his slumber, Mr. Prorater, but that’s not bad if you just chuck 150 games onto his line. It was only three years ago, he won Rookie of the Year with a 21/12/.269 season. The Launch Angle last year (15.3) was a bit too pronounced, as he might’ve started trying to hit homers. His fly balls were up to 39.5%. He’s in a great park — Great American Smallpark, officially — so I don’t want him to lose all of those fly balls. If he gets to his rookie year HR/FB% (15.9), then he could easily become a 27-homer hitter with his newfound fly balls. He also might hit .250. If I’m being real with you, I’d take 27 homers and .250 or 22 homers and .270. Both seem on the table. He had the 8th lowest chase rate in the majors (19.1%), which isn’t in itself a great thing. He’s selective; actually, he’s 6th lowest for Swing% (38.6%). When he does swing, he was in the 81st percentile for Sweet Spot% (37.2%) and his exit velocity didn’t just bounce back to his Rookie of the Year, uh, year numbers, but he exceeded them.

That he missed time and/or suffered from plantar fasciitis worries me about mistakenly plantar’ing my flag on India like Columbus. Here’s to an offseason of rest fixing his feet. He had 12 steals in the first half, then nothing in July and August. (For what it’s Cronenworth, he didn’t even play in August.) Then stole two bags in September, which was his worst steals month. I did a deep dive (of about 75 seconds) of guys who had plantar fasciitis and how they did the following year. Harrison Bader did in 2022, was fine in 2023 (in regards to that at least). Kris Bryant had it in 2022, and I think that was fine this past year (everything else was an issue). Bud Black said his foot injury in 2023 had nothing to do with plantar of 2022, so take that as far as you’d like. Carlos Correa was the one I found with a reoccurrence, but, ya know, shizz happens. India might not have 25-steal speed as his steals tally from pre-injury shows, but there’s some speed there if healthy.

At the end of the day, there’s some risk here, due to the foot and the new penchant for hitting fly balls, but the foot should be fine and the fly balls add to his power threat (and subtract his batting average). Only one of those is a real negative. If his steals after returning are any indication, he’s at worst a 12-steal guy. At best, 20 steals. Coming with 20 homers and a .270 average or 25 homers and a .250 average? Either way, give me all the Reds hitters I can get around pick 200, and that’s where India’s been lurking. This feels like one of those sleepers that’s super easy money. Low ceiling, but high floor if he plays for 140+ games.

Luis Rengifo (NFBC 231, ESPN 257, Yahoo 223) I will say this for the 2nd basemen, they are shallow, but there’s interesting names late. Is Rengifo the same as drafting Altuve? Well, that is a mustard seed of faith that is beyond my experience, but one love. Hope it works out that way. Better to consider Rengifo is more than a RenGTFO that he will be by mid-April on your fantasy team.

Jordan Westburg (NFBC 301, ESPN 274, Yahoo 306) First off, gave you my Jordan Westburg sleeper. Second off, he went 21/10 in Triple-A and the majors combined last year. Third off, there’s no third off. Fourth off, he hit .260 in the majors with a 24.6% K% and hit .295 in Triple-A. Fifth off, you have the right to remain silent. Sixth off, he was highly touted prospect. How did he suddenly get forgotten? Does this make any sense to anyone? Seventh off, anyone at all? Okay, seventh off was kinda sixth off still.

Michael Massey (NFBC 430, ESPN unranked, Yahoo unranked) I feel like this post is now picking on Julien — a guy who I like a lot! — but Massey’s stats last year were 15/6 vs. Julien’s 16/3. Massey’s were in 90 more ABs, but still. Massey is also a lefty, but he hit better vs. lefties and Royals have no other options than Massey. They might try to make Garrett Hampson a thing, but I tried that myself five years ago and it never works.

Joey Ortiz (NFBC 452, ESPN 242, Yahoo unranked) Keep in mind his NFBC ADP has a lot to do with his pre-trade value, which was zero. Now his value is .001. I kid, but maybe not entirely. Don’t be a JO. Jerk off? No, Joey Ortiz who is a 12/12/.270 player. Call him Jeff McCeiling. Hold my yawn, I’m going back to bed. Is that a sleeper or someone who puts you to sleep? It’s not clear, but the upside is there, and the price is basically free.

Also, there’s some RCLs with spots available to draft this week. They’re filling up fast if you want to play against me and others:

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Perfect Game
Perfect Game
1 month ago

Do you still keep Gausman ranked 5 and ahead of Pablo with this shoulder ailment he’s recovering from. Innate it when teams call it shoulder fatigue. Usually something they deal with for a period of time when it happens

Perfect Game
Perfect Game
Reply to  Perfect Game
1 month ago

I hate it when…not Innate. Auto correct not correct

Perfect Game
Perfect Game
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

Ok, great. I didn’t know they were updated that frequently.

random boners
random boners
1 month ago

Dealuter needs to get more at bats. What the heck else does Cleveland have for the OF.

Impastor
Impastor
1 month ago

Playing in a 6×6 league (with OPS). How would you rank these four guys: Ohtani, Soto,
Alvarez and Tucker?

The Roster Mechanic
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

What if it’s a 10 teamer ?

Nightpandas
Nightpandas
1 month ago

Gray,

Good to see you!

Keepers setting tonight wanted to get your take:

15 team keep 11
R h sb hr rbi obp slg k
W l sv era whip k k/9 qs

Keepers: Casas Albies Treat ECarter Harris Gallen Gilbert JDuran Romano

For my last three its between: YDiaz(c) Jung Steer Caminero Taj Brad and Degrom

Or trade Gilbert for M.Kelly Realmuto and Buxton

Thanks as usual my friend

Nightpandas
Nightpandas
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

I counted one too many, so no Caminero or Diaz, any concern with Jung’s injury? Would you consider Diaz here?

fausto
fausto
1 month ago

Greetings. I’ve awoken from winter finally. Keeper question.
16 team roto,
Keep 4
$260 budget/$300 cap

T.Skubal ($4)
Josh Lowe ($4)
J.Luzardo ($15)
Teoscar ($19)
C. Morel ($4)
E.Julien ($4)
Jarren Duran($4)
M.Olson($41)

I’m thinking Skubal and Luzardo for sure
What say you?
Appreciate it.

Will (the other one)
Will (the other one)
1 month ago

Starting pitchers dropping like flies. Taj Bradley scratched from start today, pectoral issue. I’m up to like 20 SPs on my draft list who are now injured.

Will (the other one)
Will (the other one)
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

In no particular order: D May, R Ray, A Cobb, J deGrom, J Taillon, C Kershaw, T Bradley, E Cabrera, G Williams, N Lodolo, J Means, K Senga, K Bradish, J Verlander, S Gray, S Baz, W Buehler, L Giolito, M Scherzer

Will (the other one)
Will (the other one)
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

Some are carryovers from last year (Kershaw, deGrom, D May etc) but it does seem like another pitcher (G Cole anyone?) goes down with an arm injury every day.

Norm
Norm
1 month ago

Hey Grey, unrelated to your post, but would you rather keep Eflin or Eury for next year? This would be my last keeper. Both guys are same round keepers, already keeping Harper and Pablo.

Javi D
Javi D
1 month ago

Hey in a standard 12 team 5×5 yahoo H2H. Wins, Saves, ks, Era, whip. Runs, rbis, hr, sb, avg

How many closers would you roster? What’s your thoughts on needing to get elite non reliever ratio guys.

I’d appreciate any feedback on offense and pitching

C – O’Hoppe
1b – Harper
2b – Stott
3b – burger
Ss – bichette
Of – carroll
Of – adolis
Of – bellinger
Util – chourio
Util – Tyler O’Neil
Bench – colt keith
Bench langford

SP – Jesus Luzardo
SP – Blake Snell
P – Mitch Keller
P – Jose Berrios
P- Jordan Montgomery
P – Ryan Pepiot
RP- alexis Diaz
RP – clay holmes

Bench – Kikuchi
Bench – Scherzer – waiting for IL
Bench – Bradish – waiting for IL

IL – Kershaw ( 4 IL spots total)

Free Agents Available:
SP : Seth lugo , Maeda, wacha, olson , Paxton, gore

Rp – Adam, Robertson, graterol

Batters : kelenic, westburg, suwinski, nootbar

Thank you in advance!!!

Javi D
Javi D
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

2 closers in total or 4 total for 2 more?

What do you think of My offense ? Thanks buddy!!!

Javi D
Javi D
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

Thank you my friend. I just finished your pitchers podcast. I was laughing when you told B Don – I Freakin hate Framber Valdez!!! Hahaha

Last edited 1 month ago by anothersoldbyjavid
Javi D
Javi D
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

Someone just dropped WOO! I’m using my waiver on woo and dropping bradish. I’ll also take a flyer on kelenic instead of keith

Fungazi 2.0
Fungazi 2.0
1 month ago

O’neill Cruz looks very angry this year, he’s turning baseballs into dust.

toolshed
1 month ago

Do you still like Grissom as a target even though he is delayed and won’t be ready for opening day.He doesn’t technically qualify at 2b yet. Thanks

toolshed
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

Good. I was hoping you would say that.

kcc26
kcc26
1 month ago

12 team Keeper league (6×6 w/OPS & K:BB ratio). I have a glut of early keepers and only my 1st round pick before round 6. These are my keepers:

C:
1B: Harper (5th round keeper)
2B:
SS: Seager (3)
3B:
INF:
OF: Tucker (2)
OF: Chourio (19)
OF:
OF:
Util:

SP: Wheeler (4)
SP: E. Perez (16)

I feel like the bats most likely to get to my 1st pick are Alonso, Semien, Lindor. Who are you taking there given who is already on board?

Thanks!

jdRed5
jdRed5
1 month ago

Thoughts on these auction draft results? 12 team 5×5 Roto Keeper w/salaries. Went in feeling like my pitching core was set and wanted to spend on hitters. Went a little overboard in that regard! Got a few great values (I think) since others really reduced their flexibility by overspending early and overspending on keepers.

C-Stephenson $1
1B – Goldschmidt $12
2B – Gimenez $12
SS – Abrams $6 (Kept)
MI – Seager $18
3B – Riley $29
CI – Gorman $5
OF – Tucker $48 (Kept)
OF – Yelich $15 (Kept)
OF – Lowe $12
OF – J Walker $9
OF – Varsho $3
U – L Gurriel $2

Bench Bats: H Davis $2, Neto $2, Westburg $1

P – Gallen $19 (Kept)
P – Kirby $15 (Kept)
P – Webb $15 (Kept)
P – H Brown $6 (Kept)
P – A Diaz $11 (Kept0
P – E Phillips $8 (Kept)
P – K Harrison $2
P – Paxton $1
P – Severino $1

Bench Arms: B Garrett $1, J Gray $1, R Lopez $1, S Lugo $1, Baz $2

jdRed5
jdRed5
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

Thanks! I certainly didn’t go in targeting either, just grabbed whoever I could for $1!

tmoran5
tmoran5
1 month ago

Hi Grey! In a 12 team, H2H league with 5 keeper slots. Trying to decide on Triston Casas or Tarik Skubal for the 5th spot. Currently keeping Soto, Yordan Alvarez, Elly De La Cruz, and Pablo Lopez. Thanks!

OaktownSteve
OaktownSteve
1 month ago

If you had March 11 for the first Aaron Judge MRI of the year, please come up to the prize booth and collect your winnings.

OaktownSteve
OaktownSteve
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

…and Carlos Rodon will throw 200 innings

OaktownSteve
OaktownSteve
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

i’m bummed for you. was interested in seeing how that team worked out. i mean anything can still happen but less than 100% of Cole hurts for sure.

I was reading a piece on fangraphs and they were arguing about why pitchers get hurt so much (velo vs slider sweeper usage) but the big take away for me was that pitcher injuries were up (with apologies to Siskel and Ebert) WAY up. Like double the amount of ligament replacements and pitcher IL trips from a decade ago. Pitching depth is huge in fantasy.

shermanator
shermanator
1 month ago

@Grey are you doing the ” dont draft this guy draft these guys instead” videos? LOVE those videos

Dave D
Dave D
1 month ago

I havent been able to pass on Stott in any recent drafts, so we are talking back ups or MI here. I like Westburg. His ADP seems all over the place in my recent drafts. Everything really thins out after about pick 330.

Harris
Harris
1 month ago

I took Thairo Estrada. Julien is available on waivers as is India, just waiver hasn’t started yet.

Joed1414
Joed1414
Reply to  Harris
1 month ago

Drop someone else get Julien…eye is a skill people don’t take enough stock in.

Michael b
Michael b
1 month ago

Can you give me your thoughts on how I drafted ? I went 9th in a 10-team h2h catagories league. I feel like Volpe, Chisholm, and trout went later than they should have

9th-Freddie freeman
12th-trea Turner
29th-Gunnar Henderson
32nd-Tyler glasnow
49th-Mike trout
52nd-Randy Arozarena
69th-Royce Lewis
72nd- Grayson Rodriguez
89th- jhoan Duran
92nd- Jesus luzardo
109th- Evan Carter
112th- jazz Chisholm
129th- Pete Fairbanks
132nd- Cole Ragans
149th-Cristian Javier
152nd- Bryson Stott
169th- Logan ohoppe
189th- Anthony Volpe

Michael b
Michael b
Reply to  Michael b
1 month ago

Could you tell me any moves you’d suggest making?

1. I’m not a huge believer in Stott, and some 2b available are; edourd Julian, Jordan westburg, Jake cronenworth, Zach Gelof, Jonathan India, Brandon lowe, Ahmed Rosario, Ryan McMahon, Gavin Lux

2. If there’s any other players you’d add for someone I drafted let me know
Decent players at other positions: Gabriel Moreno, Cedric Mullins, Alec bohm, Jung hoo Lee, Carlos Correa, junior caminero, Wyatt Langford, Riley Greene, Lourdes gurriel jr, vinnie pasquantino, Daulton Varsho, Christopher morel, Byron Buxton

Michael b
Michael b
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

Who would you cut for Langford?

Also are any of these pitchers an upgrade from the ones I listed? Yu darvish, kenta meada, Kyle Harrison, Josiah gray, Bryan woo, Andrew Heaney , Nick lodolo, Sean manea, Mackenzie gore, Triston McKenzie

Donslaughtonslaught
Donslaughtonslaught
Reply to  Michael b
1 month ago

Do you guys have no bench? 18 player rosters seems insanely shallow (and kind of explains why guys like Langford and Bohm are unowned I guess).

Chucky
Chucky
1 month ago

Have Mookie as my 2B but wanted a reliable bench bat(s) in the event Mookie is needed at either SS or OF as he retains 2B/SS/ OF eligibility. Grabbed Donovan and his multi position (SS/2B/ OF) eligibility along with Westburg ( 2B/SS) with my final pick. With the likes of India, Massey and Rengifo still on WW, would you swap out any of the former(s) for the latter(s)? Keep 10 forever without contracts.

Robert Schroeder
Robert Schroeder
1 month ago

You still excited about McClain or same oblique injury as last year popping up already have you more cautious?

jimmy
jimmy
1 month ago

13 team dynasty 5×5 I can keep one Montas-Paddack-Reece Olson or Mize… thank you

Vash
Vash
1 month ago

What do you think about Miguel Vargas, sounds like he might be the option at 2nd since the Dodgers seem to have lost faith in Lux?

Paul
Paul
1 month ago

Where do you have Bogaerts ranked at 2B since they’re mentioned he will start there, should get eligibility soon…. Since the news he has heenbmy 2B to target

Arod’s Frost
Arod’s Frost
1 month ago

Hey Grey – curious to get your thoughts on the below draft. 12 man daily roto; 7×6 (w/ OPS). 10th pick. Obviously hitting heavy with more of an eye toward power / average combo

  1. Judge OF
  2. Riley 3B
  3. Seager SS
  4. Bellinger OF
  5. N. Jones OF
  6. McLain 2B
  7. J. Ryan SP
  8. Luzardo SP
  9. Naylor UTIL
  10. Harper (Keeper) 1B
  11. Y. Diaz (C)
  12. H. Greene SP
  13. T. Scott RP
  14. W. Buehler SP
  15. M. Keller SP
  16. Alzolay RP
  17. E. Rodriguez SP
  18. Pepiot SP
packers2018
packers2018
Reply to  Arod’s Frost
1 month ago

No speed and no ace SP. Shaky on saves as well.

Donslaughtonslaught
Donslaughtonslaught
Reply to  Arod’s Frost
1 month ago

Steals are way less valuable in a 7*6 (I am curious what your other cats are if you don’t mind sharing. We went to 6*6 with OPS and QS a few years ago), but you probably need to find some somewhere. That team is going to be an absolute monster in the OPS category. I have been doing a lot of mocks getting Joe Ryan or similar as my SP1 in that range, but if you are good on streaming I think your pitching could work. If I could wait that long on closer I would probably be fine with Scott and alzolay (again not knowing fully what your cats are).

Arod’s Frost
Arod’s Frost
Reply to  Donslaughtonslaught
1 month ago

Appreciate that feedback Dons – the categories I’m light on (speed, Ace) were intentional given the format

Hitting: R, H, HR, RBI, Avg. OPS, SB
Pitching: W, S, K, ERA, WHIP, QS

RicoSuave
RicoSuave
1 month ago

Great work Grey!

Waiver wire pick up, Louie Varland or Gavin Stone?

Thanks

RicoSuave
RicoSuave
Reply to  RicoSuave
1 month ago

add Mackenzie Gore to the mix, please.

Hookie and Mubie
Hookie and Mubie
1 month ago

Hey Grey — who do you have a better feel about for 2024 between Logan Gilbert and Tarik Skrubal? Thnx.

BBHHI
BBHHI
Reply to  Hookie and Mubie
1 month ago

FWIW: I’d go Gilbert – won’t Skubal have an innings cap?

BBHHI
BBHHI
1 month ago

Grey (or anyone else who cares to share their perspective),

I’m going to ask a roto-philosophy question, but first –

Preamble:

I’m in a AL-Only 5×5 10 team auction league with roughly a $305 budget and up to 8/9 allowable keepers. Year after year, this league scrambles to secure low cost quality SPs (ie Bailey Ober at $8) or “aces” (ie Cole, Guasman, etc for as much as $30). And, each year because of this feeding frenzy, one can look at he preseason SP rankings and more than likely 75%++ of the top 20-30 guys are being “kept”. Most teams believe this is the right approach because leadership in era/whip/Ks/Ws are just really hard to maintain without quality staffs.

However, I’ve somewhat fundamentally been out of lockstep with this league-wide approach for three reasons: 1)I’ve been burnt too many times by the fickle health of SPs, 2) it just seems overall SP performance is less reliable year to year and 3) what constitutes a quality staff year-to-year is far better judged in-season (duh) => so the attentive can scramble in weekly FAAB to shore up/improve their SP Staff.

Over the last year or two, I’ve run my anticipated trades by you to get your perspective. (Yesterday, I asked about an Ober for Gimenez trade, for instance. I did that trade and picked up Gimenez). Consistently, as compared to my league mates, you’ve leaned far more towards hitters when considering possible keeper trades.

Question/Request:

Can you please share your own thoughts as to why you lean heavily towards hitters (as compared to SPs) during “keeper” and in-season trade deliberations?

THANK YOU!

packers2018
packers2018
Reply to  BBHHI
1 month ago

One quick answer is a SP gives you 4 cats and and a hitter can give you 5 cats. However there are bats that don’t help in SB’s so that is only 4 cats as well.
That’s why it is so important to grab the 5 cat bats early in drafts. After they are drafted it becomes a matter of roster construction as you have to mix in SB guys with power guys all along with building your pitching staff.

RoarOf84
RoarOf84
Reply to  packers2018
1 month ago

I’d say this AND safety. All pitchers are only one pitch away from TJ and missing 1.5 years (or longer). There’s just not that kind of risk baked into hitters.

BBHHI
BBHHI
Reply to  Grey
1 month ago

TINSTAPP?

Pefacommish
Pefacommish
1 month ago

Grey, speaking of Noelvi Marte, what would you bid on him in a 12 team, NL-only keeper league? Gonna go at a discount, but not zero, right?