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Today, is the day in history known as, “Aw, sookie sookie, don’t need the nookie, Grey’s giving me a fantasy baseball cookie.”  Or, more succinctly, the top 500 for 2017 fantasy baseball.  A few years ago, the top 500 was only a top 300 for fantasy baseball.  Before that, it was 16 AD and I was rolling with Jesus to this deli that had great matzoh ball soup.  In a few years from now, this is going to be a top 10,000 and I’m going to be ranking Mike Trout Jr. Jr. Jr. the 15th.  Today, in this year, seventeen after twenty, comes the top 500 for 2017 fantasy baseball.  Or as I like to call it, from Mike Trout A to chimpanzee.  Actually, I don’t call it that.  So, this post isn’t meant to send shockwaves through your system.  The pipe cleaner that the doctor uses to get the clogged wax from your ears is meant for that.  This is simply to give you an idea of where guys are ranked in relation to other positions.  I.e., you know I like Francisco Lindor better than Corey Seager, according to the top 20 shortstops, but do I like Lindor better than Joey Votto?  Okay, it’s not that simply.  You’ll notice after the top 200, positions start to get clumped together.  I might be the only fantasy baseball ‘pert to tell you this, but it doesn’t matter where, say, Eric Thames is ranked vs. Daniel Norris.  If you need a pitcher, Thames isn’t going to help you.  He can be ranked 75 spots in front of Norris and it doesn’t matter.  That’s why I have the 2017 fantasy baseball rankings broken down by positions.  If you need a 1st baseman, where Justin Bour vs. Greg Bird matters, but where Bour vs. Brian McCann is really doesn’t matter.  Also, there’s no comments about players, which you really should know prior to drafting.  In other words, Jose Bautista might be in the early 100s overall, but am I drafting him?  Well, you’d know if you read the top 40 outfielders.  There’s also a top 100 for 2017 fantasy baseball to help you.  Along shortly will be a Fantasy Baseball War Room and a pitchers pairing tool.  Anyway, here’s the top 500 for 2017 fantasy baseball:

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# Name Team ESPN Y! $ AB R HR RBI SB AVG IP W SV ERA WHIP K
Mike Trout LAA OF OF 49 561 105 37 117 21 0.326
Paul Goldschmidt ARI 1B 1B 47 581 105 28 107 21 0.306
Mookie Betts BOS OF OF 47 584 104 29 113 21 0.314
Kris Bryant CHC 3B/OF 3B/OF 47 588 106 34 113 10 0.288
Jose Altuve HOU 2B 2B 46 612 107 18 81 37 0.321
Nolan Arenado COL 3B 3B 46 601 103 38 123 2 0.291
Anthony Rizzo CHC 1B/2B 1B/2B 45 571 97 35 109 7 0.297
Manny Machado BAL SS/3B SS/3B 45 603 102 35 107 5 0.292
Bryce Harper WSH OF OF 44 534 96 33 106 12 0.291
Josh Donaldson TOR 3B 3B 43 570 95 32 101 6 0.287
Miguel Cabrera DET 1B 1B 43 577 95 29 105 1 0.317
Trea Turner WSH 2B/SS/ OF 2B/SS/ OF 42 577 102 16 84 40 0.305
Carlos Correa HOU SS SS 42 575 98 26 104 20 0.275
Rougned Odor TEX 2B 2B 42 581 92 28 98 15 0.281
Freddie Freeman ATL 1B/3B 1B/3B 41 575 93 31 97 6 0.295
George Springer HOU OF OF 40 590 103 32 88 10 0.255
Charlie Blackmon COL OF OF 39 594 104 21 67 24 0.303
Starling Marte PIT OF OF 38 549 81 17 88 37 0.295
Edwin Encarnacion CLE 1B 1B 37 535 88 36 105 2 0.260
Trevor Story COL SS SS 36 575 89 31 98 12 0.258
Clayton Kershaw LAD SP SP 36 222 19 0 2.44 0.95 261
Max Scherzer WSH SP SP 35 225 18 0 2.51 0.96 270
Giancarlo Stanton MIA OF OF 34 529 84 38 103 1 0.253
Francisco Lindor CLE SS SS 33 607 103 17 82 19 0.308
Joey Votto CIN 1B 1B 33 530 84 25 91 7 0.308
Xander Bogaerts BOS SS SS 32 614 107 22 94 11 0.304
Robinson Cano SEA 2B 2B 32 605 86 26 91 2 0.291
Corey Seager LAD SS SS 31 610 96 28 85 3 0.298
Jonathan Villar MIL 2B/SS/ 3B 2B/SS/ 3B 31 565 91 15 51 37 0.257
Nelson Cruz SEA OF OF 31 537 88 33 98 1 0.265
Ryan Braun MIL OF OF 30 505 82 25 89 14 0.291
Brian Dozier MIN 2B 2B 30 595 102 25 74 15 0.248
Jean Segura SEA 2B/SS 2B/SS 29 580 83 11 46 27 0.274
Madison Bumgarner SF SP SP 29 218 17 0 2.78 1.04 232
Chris Sale BOS SP SP 29 225 18 0 3.31 1.08 244
Jose Abreu CHW 1B 1B 29 603 73 28 92 0 0.306
Hanley Ramirez BOS 1B 1B 29 518 84 25 89 6 0.278
Kyle Seager SEA 3B 3B 28 591 84 27 92 4 0.269
Anthony Rendon WSH 3B 3B 28 551 84 25 96 9 0.268
Noah Syndergaard NYM SP SP 28 203 16 0 2.67 1.05 235
Jake Arrieta CHC SP SP 27 205 17 0 2.98 1.06 196
Jon Lester CHC SP SP 26 210 16 0 3.35 1.10 206
Yoenis Cespedes NYM OF OF 26 550 86 29 97 5 0.278
Mark Trumbo BAL OF OF 26 557 81 33 95 2 0.252
Justin Verlander HOU SP SP 25 217 15 0 3.31 1.05 220
Corey Kluber CLE SP SP 24 220 17 0 3.36 1.08 229
Yu Darvish LAD SP SP 24 201 15 0 3.04 1.15 239
Johnny Cueto SF SP SP 23 210 16 0 3.04 1.11 192
Carlos Carrasco CLE SP SP 23 190 15 0 3.28 1.13 192
Kenley Jansen LAD RP RP 23 65 4 45 2.11 0.81 100
Aroldis Chapman NYY RP RP 23 64 5 42 1.98 0.95 100
Zach Britton BAL RP RP 23 66 3 42 1.78 0.93 78
Gregory Polanco PIT OF OF 22 572 77 23 89 24 0.262
Mark Melancon SF RP RP 22 62 4 42 2.26 0.97 58
A.J. Pollock ARI OF OF 21 581 97 16 61 26 0.273
Wil Myers SD 1B 1B 21 567 81 25 91 15 0.264
Carlos Santana CLE 1B 1B 21 572 95 31 81 5 0.266
Justin Turner LAD 3B 3B 21 510 81 24 92 5 0.271
Adrian Beltre TEX 3B 3B 21 575 85 25 97 2 0.289
Evan Longoria TB 3B 3B 21 617 77 29 89 1 0.271
Todd Frazier NYY 3B 3B 20 582 72 31 91 13 0.235
Eric Hosmer KC 1B 1B 20 589 82 24 94 7 0.288
Ian Kinsler DET 2B 2B 20 607 105 18 77 12 0.272
Daniel Murphy WSH 1B/2B 1B/2B 20 510 82 15 85 5 0.296
Chris Archer TB SP SP 19 200 13 0 3.33 1.17 225
Carlos Martinez STL SP SP 19 205 15 0 3.17 1.19 193
Jacob deGrom NYM SP SP 19 194 13 0 3.12 1.15 191
Stephen Strasburg WSH SP SP 19 163 12 0 3.55 1.10 190
Danny Duffy KC SP SP 19 195 13 0 3.45 1.15 201
Kenta Maeda LAD SP SP 19 195 15 0 3.39 1.13 198
Christian Yelich MIA OF OF 17 585 87 15 92 17 0.303
Jackie Bradley Jr. BOS OF OF 17 567 82 27 92 8 0.271
Max Kepler MIN OF OF 17 548 74 23 85 14 0.266
Carlos Gonzalez COL OF OF 17 580 83 27 91 3 0.278
Matt Kemp ATL OF OF 17 572 78 27 94 2 0.266
Adam Jones BAL OF OF 16 599 92 27 78 3 0.268
Danny Salazar CLE SP SP 16 180 14 0 3.44 1.15 201
Albert Pujols LAA 1B 1B 16 563 73 32 94 2 0.254
Gerrit Cole PIT SP SP 16 193 15 0 3.45 1.14 188
Jose Quintana CHC SP SP 16 204 14 0 3.35 1.20 181
Kyle Hendricks CHC SP SP 15 198 14 0 3.41 1.14 175
Gary Sanchez NYY C C 15 471 71 27 82 3 0.260
Masahiro Tanaka NYY SP SP 15 201 13 0 3.47 1.13 172
Cole Hamels TEX SP SP 15 202 15 0 3.56 1.22 197
Rich Hill LAD SP SP 15 125 14 0 2.74 1.03 144
John Lackey CHC SP SP 14 190 14 0 3.54 1.15 177
Byron Buxton MIN OF OF 14 522 65 18 57 26 0.232
Adam Duvall CIN OF OF 14 547 74 34 92 5 0.244
Khris Davis OAK OF OF 14 530 72 34 89 2 0.247
Stephen Piscotty STL OF OF 13 573 78 24 92 9 0.277
J.D. Martinez ARI OF OF 13 451 78 25 71 1 0.282
Andrew Benintendi BOS OF OF 13 480 79 16 68 19 0.303
Kyle Schwarber CHC OF OF 13 488 81 26 90 5 0.248
Andrew McCutchen PIT OF OF 13 556 87 21 90 7 0.263
Addison Russell CHC SS SS 13 569 77 25 92 7 0.257
Marcus Semien OAK SS SS 13 555 70 25 78 10 0.241
Jonathan Schoop BAL 2B 2B 12 565 78 30 89 2 0.260
Dee Gordon MIA 2B 2B 12 608 88 3 39 51 0.282
Jose Peraza CIN 2B/SS/ OF 2B/SS/ OF 12 527 78 4 46 44 0.288
Jonathan Lucroy COL C C 12 480 71 19 82 5 0.283
Buster Posey SF C/1B C/1B 12 515 78 16 86 4 0.291
Chris Davis BAL 1B 1B 12 554 79 36 95 2 0.218
Brad Miller TB 1B/2B/ SS 1B/2B/ SS 12 531 76 25 93 10 0.251
Edwin Diaz SEA RP RP 12 63 3 40 2.21 1.12 84
Roberto Osuna TOR RP RP 11 70 4 40 2.46 1.01 75
Devon Travis TOR 2B 2B 11 578 91 19 64 10 0.285
DJ LeMahieu COL 2B 2B 11 560 96 14 64 15 0.311
Kevin Gausman BAL SP SP 10 195 13 0 3.51 1.25 193
Ken Giles HOU RP RP 10 66 4 38 2.87 1.15 96
Justin Upton LAA OF OF 10 565 77 27 85 10 0.249
Jose Bautista TOR OF OF 10 488 81 30 90 2 0.244
Craig Kimbrel BOS RP RP 10 60 3 38 2.95 1.14 87
Hunter Pence SF OF OF 10 578 86 20 78 3 0.275
Billy Hamilton CIN OF OF 9 509 75 4 40 60 0.253
Lance McCullers Jr. HOU SP SP 9 170 12 0 3.26 1.19 205
Mitch Moreland BOS 1B 1B 9 465 61 25 75 1 0.259
Tommy Joseph PHI 1B 1B 9 488 64 30 79 1 0.253
Greg Bird NYY 1B 1B 9 412 59 24 69 2 0.257
Matt Carpenter STL 1B/2B/ 3B 1B/2B/ 3B 9 502 84 20 72 2 0.274
Logan Forsythe LAD 2B/3B 2B/3B 9 543 88 16 54 9 0.265
Dustin Pedroia BOS 2B 2B 9 570 88 12 51 6 0.306
David Dahl COL OF OF 9 478 62 16 74 16 0.271
Dexter Fowler STL OF OF 9 512 86 15 42 17 0.261
Adam Eaton WSH OF OF 8 605 102 12 49 16 0.277
Aaron Nola PHI SP SP 8 155 10 0 3.46 1.21 161
Taijuan Walker ARI SP SP 8 160 12 0 3.44 1.18 153
Kelvin Herrera KC RP RP 8 68 2 36 2.61 1.08 76
Marcus Stroman TOR SP SP 7 204 12 0 3.55 1.24 184
Jake Lamb ARI 3B 3B 7 495 76 26 81 7 0.258
Maikel Franco PHI 3B 3B 7 591 79 30 95 2 0.277
Seung Hwan Oh STL RP RP 7 71 4 40 2.65 1.08 88
Andrew Miller CLE RP RP 7 71 6 15 2.21 0.89 110
Alex Bregman HOU SS/3B SS/3B 6 525 73 23 81 8 0.259
Alex Colome TB RP RP 6 61 3 39 2.66 1.04 79
Wade Davis CHC RP RP 6 50 3 33 2.87 1.16 55
Odubel Herrera PHI OF OF 6 551 79 11 83 27 0.292
Leonys Martin CHC OF OF 6 560 72 16 61 31 0.251
Ender Inciarte ATL OF OF 5 587 92 7 39 21 0.297
Nomar Mazara TEX OF OF 5 554 72 26 81 2 0.277
Miguel Sano MIN 3B/OF 3B/OF 5 498 69 31 78 1 0.231
Yasmany Tomas ARI OF OF 5 478 63 25 72 2 0.274
Jose Ramirez CLE 2B/3B/ OF 2B/3B/ OF 5 541 75 8 69 25 0.295
Dellin Betances NYY RP RP 5 75 6 5 2.31 1.05 122
Kendrys Morales TOR 1B 1B 4 551 73 29 89 0 0.268
Michael Pineda NYY SP SP 4 195 12 0 3.46 1.16 214
Jon Gray COL SP SP 4 191 12 0 3.77 1.23 208
Victor Martinez DET DH DH 4 503 62 19 81 0 0.285
Aaron Sanchez TOR SP SP 4 197 11 0 3.66 1.22 176
David Price BOS SP SP 4 180 13 0 3.74 1.21 173
Tanner Roark WSH SP SP 4 199 14 0 3.79 1.26 165
Rick Porcello BOS SP SP 4 210 14 0 3.81 1.23 177
Keon Broxton MIL OF OF 4 490 64 18 71 31 0.237
Zack Greinke ARI SP SP 4 190 12 0 3.71 1.17 167
Randal Grichuk STL OF OF 4 514 72 28 86 8 0.245
Felix Hernandez SEA SP SP 4 201 12 0 3.77 1.28 169
Kole Calhoun LAA OF OF 3 585 84 22 72 2 0.260
Mike Napoli TEX 1B 1B 3 462 68 25 83 3 0.232
Marcell Ozuna MIA OF OF 3 551 78 25 83 1 0.256
Adrian Gonzalez LAD 1B 1B 3 570 75 20 91 0 0.271
Lorenzo Cain KC OF OF 3 509 83 14 79 20 0.285
Brandon Belt SF 1B/OF 1B/OF 3 521 72 18 77 3 0.271
Joc Pederson LAD OF OF 3 440 72 31 79 10 0.252
Willson Contreras CHC C/OF C/OF 3 451 62 16 74 4 0.267
Vince Velasquez PHI SP SP 3 155 11 0 3.54 1.23 177
Jay Bruce CLE 1B/OF 1B/OF 3 545 70 27 84 5 0.247
James Paxton SEA SP SP 3 178 14 0 3.53 1.26 181
Carlos Gomez TEX OF OF 2 521 73 17 57 24 0.238
Ian Desmond COL 1B/OF 1B/OF 2 369 49 17 54 11 0.253
Yasiel Puig LAD OF OF 2 461 65 18 71 7 0.277
Curtis Granderson LAD OF OF 2 525 84 25 51 5 0.241
Ben Zobrist CHC 2B/OF 2B/OF 2 555 86 14 55 7 0.266
Carlos Beltran HOU OF OF 2 465 68 24 75 1 0.276
Matt Holliday NYY OF OF 2 422 64 22 74 2 0.261
Neil Walker MIL 1B/2B 1B/2B 2 523 66 23 75 3 0.275
Starlin Castro NYY 2B 2B 1 567 67 23 77 5 0.265
Jameson Taillon PIT SP SP 1 180 10 0 3.44 1.10 163
Jeurys Familia NYM RP RP 1 62 3 34 3.18 1.19 65
Matt Shoemaker LAA SP SP 1 180 10 0 3.49 1.15 161
Carlos Rodon CHW SP SP 1 185 10 0 3.78 1.30 188
Joe Ross WSH SP SP 1 153 11 0 3.56 1.25 139
Michael Fulmer DET SP SP 1 182 13 0 3.64 1.24 169
Robbie Ray ARI SP SP 1 190 13 0 3.67 1.24 226
Jake Odorizzi TB SP SP 1 192 9 0 3.54 1.16 169
Julio Teheran ATL SP SP 1 200 10 0 3.39 1.14 175
Michael Brantley CLE OF OF 1 455 61 12 70 10 0.285
Jason Hammel KC SP SP 1 185 13 0 3.71 1.23 171
J.A. Happ TOR SP SP 1 188 12 0 3.67 1.23 157
Steven Matz NYM SP SP 1 154 10 0 3.55 1.22 145
Matt Harvey NYM SP SP 1 145 8 0 3.71 1.23 129
Jacoby Ellsbury NYY OF OF 1 545 79 8 54 22 0.260
Salvador Perez KC C C 1 535 55 22 73 1 0.256
Ryon Healy OAK 1B/3B 1B/3B 1 577 77 25 84 1 0.287
Yuli Gurriel HOU 1B/3B 1B/3B 1 545 74 15 81 4 0.277
Nicholas Castellanos DET 3B/OF 3B/OF 1 535 65 22 72 2 0.276
Tim Anderson CHW SS SS 1 603 75 14 63 25 0.277
Aledmys Diaz STL SS SS 1 544 83 18 70 6 0.298
Elvis Andrus TEX SS SS 1 511 68 7 71 25 0.286
Rajai Davis BOS OF OF 1 455 66 9 42 39 0.253
Alcides Escobar KC SS SS 1 591 83 6 48 21 0.268
Eduardo Nunez BOS SS, 2B, 3B, OF SS, 2B, 3B, OF 1 518 64 10 72 30 0.259
Delino DeShields TEX OF OF 1 474 64 7 41 28 0.267
Troy Tulowitzki TOR SS SS 1 485 62 22 74 1 0.248
Javier Baez CHC 2B/SS/ 3B 2B/SS/ 3B 1 449 55 17 65 13 0.268
Jason Kipnis CLE 2B/OF 2B/OF 1 419 51 11 41 12 0.259
Jeff Samardzija SF SP SP 1 204 12 0 3.69 1.24 163
Sean Manaea OAK SP SP 1 176 9 0 3.78 1.25 154
Dallas Keuchel HOU SP SP 1 202 12 0 3.87 1.25 165
Drew Pomeranz BOS SP SP 1 170 8 0 3.94 1.25 165
Hisashi Iwakuma SEA SP SP 1 204 13 0 3.87 1.31 150
Cody Allen CLE RP RP 1 65 4 29 2.88 1.09 81
Jedd Gyorko STL 2B, 1B, 3B, SS 2B/SS/ 3B 1 447 59 25 68 2 0.239
Josh Harrison PIT 2B/3B 2B/3B 1 491 73 7 48 17 0.280
Ian Kennedy KC SP SP 1 190 9 0 3.94 1.28 176
Collin McHugh HOU SP SP 1 195 13 0 3.95 1.32 181
Lucas Duda TB 1B 1B 1 494 68 29 82 0 0.246
Gio Gonzalez WSH SP SP 1 175 10 0 3.87 1.35 166
Marco Estrada TOR SP SP 1 175 10 0 3.91 1.21 175
Russell Martin TOR C, 3B C, 3B 1 465 68 20 78 4 0.235
J.T. Realmuto MIA C C 1 451 54 10 57 11 0.281
Yasmani Grandal LAD C C 1 423 57 20 69 2 0.240
Travis Jankowski SD OF OF 1 467 57 5 35 37 0.241
Jaime Garcia NYY SP SP 1 150 8 0 3.88 1.28 125
Jeremy Hellickson BAL SP SP 1 185 10 0 3.83 1.18 150
Jerad Eickhoff PHI SP SP 1 190 11 0 3.77 1.19 158
Lance Lynn STL SP SP 1 120 9 0 3.65 1.31 109
Chris Tillman BAL SP SP 1 192 12 0 3.81 1.32 151
Ivan Nova PIT SP SP 1 175 9 0 3.67 1.23 134
Robert Gsellman NYM SP SP 1 131 9 0 3.71 1.34 121
Alex Cobb TB SP SP 1 132 10 0 3.91 1.27 111
Orlando Arcia MIL SS SS 1 509 69 9 51 21 0.261
A.J. Ramos NYM RP RP 1 66 3 36 3.12 1.32 77
Dansby Swanson ATL SS SS 1 556 71 9 44 19 0.267
Sam Dyson SF RP RP 1 67 4 35 3.04 1.20 59
Didi Gregorius NYY SS SS 1 550 63 15 71 7 0.268
Neftali Feliz KC RP RP 1 60 3 31 3.27 1.16 69
Jorge Polanco MIN SS SS 1 518 69 10 44 8 0.286
Chris Owings ARI 2B/SS/ OF SS/OF 1 489 58 8 61 18 0.251
Greg Holland COL RP RP 1 51 2 24 3.78 1.31 54
Raisel Iglesias CIN RP RP 1 52 3 17 2.97 1.12 57
Cam Bedrosian LAA RP RP 1 60 3 20 2.78 1.12 74
Blake Treinen OAK RP RP 1 65 5 21 3.41 1.26 62
Asdrubal Cabrera NYM 2B/SS/ 3B 2B/SS/ 3B 1 508 61 17 64 6 0.259
Matt Moore SF SP SP 1 146 10 0 3.77 1.29 137
Mike Montgomery CHC SP SP 1 124 7 0 3.42 1.21 111
Manuel Margot SD OF OF 1 546 82 5 41 31 0.277
Francisco Rodriguez WSH RP RP 1 51 2 33 3.44 1.19 48
Jarrod Dyson SEA OF OF 1 372 49 2 31 38 0.259
Ryan Schimpf SD 2B/3B 2B/3B 1 488 54 27 62 5 0.207
Tony Watson LAD RP RP 1 63 3 30 3.61 1.11 55
Hernan Perez MIL 2B/3B/ OF 2B/3B/ OF 1 422 55 10 46 30 0.247
David Robertson NYY RP RP 1 64 3 31 3.56 1.26 71
Brandon Crawford SF SS SS 1 523 70 15 81 7 0.271
Mike Moustakas KC 3B 3B -2 512 71 22 79 1 0.251
Hector Neris PHI RP RP 1 75 5 19 3.09 1.18 89
C.J. Cron LAA 1B 1B -2 497 62 25 72 2 0.270
Matt Duffy TB 3B 3B -2 517 62 9 68 10 0.264
Kolten Wong STL 2B 2B -3 435 59 14 64 10 0.278
Zack Cozart CIN SS SS -3 487 71 17 54 5 0.258
Brandon Maurer KC RP RP -3 66 2 27 3.41 1.21 68
Raul Mondesi KC 2B 2B -3 487 51 9 59 38 0.212
Justin Bour MIA 1B 1B -3 417 54 17 64 0 0.267
Fernando Rodney ARI RP RP -3 65 2 22 3.88 1.41 68
Ryan Madson WSH RP RP -3 60 4 21 3.91 1.29 47
Danny Espinosa TB 2B 2B -3 502 57 19 67 12 0.215
Travis Shaw MIL 1B/3B 1B/3B -3 435 51 18 64 3 0.247
Brian McCann HOU C C -3 418 66 19 75 1 0.237
Brandon Kintzler WSH RP RP -3 63 1 19 3.77 1.28 43
Brandon Drury ARI 2B/3B/ OF 2B/3B/ OF -3 480 66 18 71 2 0.277
Eric Thames MIL 1B/OF 1B/OF -3 435 58 17 64 5 0.225
Jim Johnson ATL RP RP -3 55 1 15 3.50 1.28 57
Danny Valencia SEA 1B/3B/ OF 1B/3B/ OF -3 454 51 15 59 2 0.281
Evan Gattis HOU C C -3 369 39 20 56 2 0.255
Josh Bell PIT 1B 1B -3 407 54 15 52 3 0.281
Matt Wieters WSH C C -4 407 45 18 54 1 0.249
Addison Reed BOS RP RP -4 72 5 7 2.76 1.05 80
Joaquin Benoit PIT RP RP -4 41 3 14 3.69 1.31 45
Ryan Zimmerman WSH 1B 1B -4 444 54 17 59 3 0.231
Chris Carter OAK 1B 1B -4 330 46 24 66 2 0.232
Arodys Vizcaino ATL RP RP -4 60 3 14 3.89 1.43 72
Cameron Rupp PHI C C -4 412 40 19 58 1 0.241
Joe Mauer MIN 1B 1B -4 489 65 10 59 2 0.272
Derek Norris TB C C -4 458 48 15 51 6 0.237
Travis D’Arnaud NYM C C -4 404 41 14 48 1 0.259
Stephen Vogt MIL C C -4 415 57 14 44 0 0.255
Julio Urias LAD SP SP -4 103 9 0 3.41 1.34 110
Joe Panik SF 2B 2B -4 488 58 8 61 5 0.262
Adam Ottavino COL RP RP -4 63 4 8 3.03 1.07 76
Blake Snell TB SP SP -4 160 9 0 3.63 1.37 181
Cesar Hernandez PHI 2B 2B -4 515 65 4 35 20 0.277
Huston Street LAA RP RP -4 49 2 12 4.12 1.41 38
Eugenio Suarez CIN 3B 3B -4 540 60 18 72 7 0.241
Pablo Sandoval SF 3B 3B 1 512 61 15 69 3 0.254
Mike Foltynewicz ATL SP SP -4 174 9 0 3.81 1.27 160
Aaron Judge NYY OF OF -4 488 68 28 79 3 0.232
David Peralta ARI OF OF -4 535 73 18 85 9 0.289
Jorge Soler KC OF OF -4 487 64 20 77 2 0.261
Shawn Kelley WSH RP RP -4 64 4 8 2.87 1.04 86
Nate Jones CHW RP RP -4 72 3 7 2.89 0.98 85
Domingo Santana MIL OF OF -4 487 64 24 73 8 0.243
Hunter Renfroe SD OF OF -4 503 70 25 83 5 0.252
Andrew Susac MIL C C -4 375 38 16 51 0 0.251
Yoan Moncada CHW 2B/3B 2B/3B -4 356 56 8 59 17 0.232
Welington Castillo BAL C C -4 390 38 16 59 1 0.239
Koda Glover WSH RP RP 1 61 3 7 3.24 1.12 64
Drew Storen CIN RP RP -4 60 1 9 4.09 1.34 58
Wilson Ramos TB C C -4 305 31 13 41 0 0.274
Kevin Kiermaier TB OF OF -4 487 63 14 48 19 0.254
Shin-Soo Choo TEX OF OF -4 460 75 16 48 7 0.264
Kevin Pillar TOR OF OF -4 535 62 10 58 15 0.272
Cameron Maybin HOU OF OF -4 490 74 6 48 19 0.271
Jeanmar Gomez SEA RP RP -4 65 2 9 4.23 1.39 47
Josh Reddick HOU OF OF -4 424 59 17 68 7 0.269
Sean Doolittle WSH RP RP -4 58 3 10 3.44 1.10 65
Jason Heyward CHC OF OF -4 490 64 13 67 13 0.257
Brett Gardner NYY OF OF -5 521 72 10 37 15 0.255
Michael Saunders TOR OF OF -5 468 61 17 66 2 0.248
Avisail Garcia CHW OF OF -5 455 54 15 67 6 0.251
Daniel Norris DET SP SP -5 115 7 0 3.75 1.35 110
Michael Wacha STL SP SP -5 155 8 0 3.79 1.18 129
Adam Conley MIA SP SP -5 165 9 0 3.74 1.35 154
Tyler Skaggs LAA SP SP -5 138 9 0 3.81 1.36 141
Dylan Bundy BAL SP SP -5 141 11 0 3.91 1.35 130
Howie Kendrick WSH 2B/OF 2B/OF -5 475 71 10 55 10 0.262
Luis Severino NYY SP SP -5 155 10 0 3.94 1.34 143
Melvin Upton TOR OF OF -5 404 39 15 47 20 0.235
Santiago Casilla OAK RP RP -5 55 3 6 3.61 1.22 59
Jharel Cotton OAK SP SP -5 157 7 0 3.72 1.21 141
Jake Barrett ARI RP RP -5 62 3 8 3.78 1.29 57
Melky Cabrera KC OF OF -5 570 70 12 73 2 0.284
Corey Dickerson TB OF OF -5 464 49 22 58 4 0.250
Trevor Bauer CLE SP SP -5 177 11 0 4.01 1.33 163
Yadier Molina STL C C -5 490 53 7 57 3 0.288
Andrew Triggs OAK SP SP -5 144 9 0 3.86 1.25 130
Sandy Leon BOS C C -5 398 58 6 55 1 0.255
Devin Mesoraco CIN C C -5 365 41 15 55 1 0.245
Justin Smoak TOR 1B 1B -5 403 42 19 44 0 0.220
Daniel Vogelbach SEA 1B 1B -5 340 32 16 41 1 0.251
Brad Brach BAL RP RP -5 75 6 2 2.65 1.09 89
Kyle Barraclough MIA RP RP -5 72 5 2 2.65 1.18 104
Brandon Moss KC 1B/OF 1B/OF -5 426 57 24 64 2 0.235
Glen Perkins MIN RP RP -5 38 2 7 3.89 1.26 33
J.P. Crawford PHI SS/3B SS/3B -6 220 28 3 16 7 0.261
Brandon Phillips LAA 2B/3B 2B/3B -6 512 65 12 69 15 0.269
Austin Hedges SD C C -6 402 32 15 46 1 0.226
Grant Dayton LAD RP RP -6 58 4 2 2.64 0.95 79
Yangervis Solarte SD 2B/SS/ 3B 2B/SS/ 3B -6 509 68 16 77 1 0.270
Will Harris HOU RP RP -6 65 4 2 2.88 1.03 70
James McCann DET C C -6 424 42 14 56 0 0.251
Luke Gregerson HOU RP RP -6 60 5 6 3.05 1.03 66
Pedro Alvarez BAL DH DH -6 354 39 20 47 1 0.252
Jose De Leon TB SP SP -6 135 9 0 3.57 1.18 128
Jose Reyes NYM 2B/SS/ 3B 2B/SS/ 3B -6 374 51 10 29 17 0.271
Joey Gallo TEX 1B/3B/ OF 1B/3B/ OF -6 371 34 23 43 3 0.208
Lucas Giolito CHW SP SP -6 105 5 0 3.67 1.27 97
Scott Kazmir LAD SP SP -6 122 8 0 3.64 1.23 113
Trevor Plouffe TB 3B 3B -6 487 55 18 62 1 0.245
Zack Wheeler NYM SP SP -6 91 5 0 3.89 1.37 88
Eduardo Rodriguez BOS SP SP -6 92 7 0 3.92 1.28 88
Mychal Givens BAL RP RP -6 70 5 1 2.91 1.22 88
Archie Bradley ARI RP RP -6 90 7 0 4.17 1.37 96
Wilmer Flores NYM 3B, 1B, 2B 3B, 1B, 2B -6 353 46 18 56 1 0.255
Mitch Haniger SEA OF OF -6 435 52 17 61 6 0.238
Michael Conforto NYM OF OF -6 412 51 18 58 3 0.261
Andrew Toles LAD OF OF -6 405 56 5 27 19 0.251
Steven Souza Jr. TB OF OF -6 451 57 16 54 10 0.227
Pedro Baez LAD RP RP -6 71 5 2 3.31 1.05 77
Tyler Naquin CLE OF OF -6 368 44 13 48 6 0.254
Cody Asche CHW 3B 3B -6 345 47 10 44 5 0.241
Hector Rondon CHC RP RP -6 58 4 5 3.33 1.03 64
Tyler Glasnow PIT SP SP -6 125 9 0 3.87 1.39 134
Luke Weaver STL SP SP -6 55 4 0 3.34 1.18 67
Koji Uehara CHC RP RP -6 54 4 4 2.34 1.01 67
Mark Reynolds COL 1B 1B -6 354 32 16 47 4 0.247
Ryan Rua TEX OF OF -6 390 50 14 61 9 0.241
David Freese PIT 1B/3B 1B/3B -6 424 46 15 54 0 0.255
Steve Pearce TOR 1B/OF 1B/2B/ OF -6 315 44 14 49 2 0.279
Scooter Gennett CIN 2B/3B/ OF 2B/3B/ OF -6 390 41 10 47 5 0.274
Jett Bandy MIL C C -6 289 25 13 31 2 0.243
Mike Zunino SEA C C -6 391 37 17 49 1 0.204
Matt Strahm SD RP RP -6 62 6 2 2.78 1.08 74
Chris Iannetta ARI C C -6 371 41 10 44 1 0.217
Tyler Saladino CHW SS SS -6 376 41 7 44 13 0.276
Robert Stephenson CIN SP SP -6 109 7 0 4.34 1.44 99
Adonis Garcia ATL 3B 3B -6 515 61 15 71 3 0.267
A.J. Reed HOU 1B 1B -6 384 47 15 54 0 0.235
Yan Gomes CLE C C -6 389 45 13 49 0 0.237
Tom Murphy COL C C -6 225 22 10 38 1 0.241
Clay Buchholz PHI SP SP -6 145 8 0 4.07 1.31 117
Sonny Gray NYY SP SP -6 160 8 0 4.03 1.32 127
Drew Smyly SEA SP SP -6 130 7 0 4.14 1.27 124
Anthony DeSclafani CIN SP SP -6 145 7 0 3.98 1.28 112
Tyler Flowers ATL C C -6 381 31 15 47 0 0.227
Martin Prado MIA 3B 3B -6 535 63 9 70 2 0.290
Brad Ziegler MIA RP RP -6 67 5 5 2.67 1.29 52
Chase Headley NYY 1B/3B 1B/3B -6 491 60 13 66 5 0.244
Miguel Gonzalez TEX SP SP -6 162 7 0 3.95 1.31 110
David Wright NYM 3B 3B -6 267 42 4 46 4 0.238
Jason Castro MIN C C -6 367 37 10 41 2 0.221
Freddy Galvis PHI SS SS -6 340 37 7 44 9 0.229
Gerardo Parra COL OF OF -6 375 52 11 44 8 0.267
Zach Davies MIL SP SP -6 176 10 0 4.08 1.29 142
Jace Peterson ATL 2B/3B/ OF 2B/3B/ OF -6 403 51 5 27 13 0.239
Raimel Tapia COL OF OF -7 269 31 2 19 16 0.297
Junior Guerra MIL SP SP -7 154 11 0 3.97 1.33 132
Mallex Smith TB OF OF -7 225 33 3 18 18 0.241
R.A. Dickey ATL SP SP -7 205 9 0 3.86 1.33 158
Roman Quinn PHI OF OF -7 305 29 4 35 25 0.237
Bartolo Colon MIN SP SP -7 187 10 0 3.92 1.23 122
Angel Pagan FA OF OF -7 443 53 10 57 12 0.266
Alex Gordon KC OF OF -7 455 54 15 59 6 0.232
Jayson Werth WSH OF OF -7 476 57 14 63 4 0.238
Matt Andriese TB SP SP -7 162 8 0 3.91 1.28 132
Colby Rasmus TB OF OF -7 414 47 17 56 3 0.232
Tyler Chatwood COL SP SP -7 180 10 0 4.12 1.35 132
Nick Markakis ATL OF OF -7 567 64 10 69 1 0.263
Tom Koehler TOR SP SP -7 187 8 0 4.28 1.39 149
Denard Span SF OF OF -7 478 64 7 38 12 0.273
Charlie Tilson CHW OF OF -7 387 43 2 24 16 0.263
Edinson Volquez MIA SP SP -7 185 11 0 4.04 1.33 142
Tyler Collins DET OF OF -7 355 38 10 44 4 0.244
Aaron Altherr PHI OF OF -7 322 37 9 39 9 0.241
Matt Bush TEX RP RP -7 66 5 4 2.96 1.05 68
Jesse Chavez LAA SP SP -7 115 6 0 4.12 1.32 108
Whit Merrifield KC 2B/OF 2B/OF -7 302 40 5 34 5 0.261
Geovany Soto CHW C C -7 304 32 10 46 0 0.223
Mike Leake SEA SP SP -7 165 10 0 4.23 1.30 118
Norichika Aoki NYM OF OF -7 371 50 3 25 7 0.285
Michael Feliz HOU RP RP -7 72 4 1 3.43 1.15 102
Nick Franklin LAA 2B 2B -7 299 31 9 34 8 0.257
Francisco Cervelli PIT C C -7 364 42 3 39 5 0.259
Derek Dietrich MIA 1B/2B/ 3B 2B/3B -7 370 47 13 52 2 0.272
Joakim Soria KC RP RP -7 65 3 5 3.81 1.36 67
Hyun Soo Kim PHI OF OF -7 335 44 8 25 3 0.291
David Phelps SEA RP RP -7 71 6 2 3.34 1.21 90
Hunter Strickland SF RP RP -7 60 4 3 3.28 1.09 59
Wei-Yin Chen MIA SP SP -7 156 9 0 4.21 1.26 125
Tony Wolters COL C C -7 305 32 5 37 5 0.266
Steven Wright BOS SP SP -7 142 10 0 4.27 1.32 112
Josh Tomlin CLE SP SP -7 165 11 0 4.23 1.22 103
Joey Rickard BAL OF OF -7 280 31 8 20 10 0.257
Seth Smith BAL OF OF -7 360 53 14 49 0 0.245
Dan Straily MIA SP SP -7 190 9 0 4.38 1.38 158
Scott Schebler CIN OF OF -7 378 44 12 49 4 0.257
Brandon Finnegan CIN SP SP -7 188 9 0 4.43 1.40 167
Eddie Rosario MIN OF OF -7 407 49 11 53 7 0.264
Jordan Zimmermann DET SP SP -7 170 10 0 4.11 1.27 110
Lonnie Chisenhall CLE OF OF -7 375 46 12 58 3 0.275
Mike Fiers HOU SP RP -7 176 10 0 4.22 1.32 141
Matt Joyce OAK OF OF -7 398 48 17 59 2 0.235
Homer Bailey CIN SP SP -8 164 9 0 4.40 1.35 134
Jurickson Profar TEX 3B/OF 3B/OF -8 370 51 7 48 8 0.251
Tyler Austin NYY 1B 1B -8 245 21 8 34 5 0.225
Jose Iglesias DET SS SS -8 502 55 5 44 9 0.266
Chris Herrmann ARI C C -8 276 21 6 31 3 0.224
Jarrett Parker SF OF OF -8 345 47 11 51 6 0.229
Ryan Pressly MIN RP RP -8 71 4 3 4.09 1.37 64
Mikie Mahtook DET OF OF -8 289 28 8 31 6 0.226
Andrelton Simmons LAA SS SS -8 527 54 7 59 7 0.262
Andrew Bailey LAA RP RP -8 36 2 4 4.14 1.28 33
Hector Santiago MIN SP SP -8 177 11 0 4.66 1.39 137
Shelby Miller ARI SP SP -8 130 7 0 4.24 1.39 105
Luis Sardinas BAL SS SS -8 475 40 3 37 14 0.235
Michael A. Taylor WSH OF OF -8 255 29 8 19 15 0.242
Martin Perez TEX SP SP -8 187 11 0 4.21 1.40 101
Peter O’Brien LAD OF OF -8 265 29 15 46 0 0.218
Francisco Liriano HOU RP RP -8 148 9 0 4.59 1.45 154
Bradley Zimmer CLE OF OF -8 354 39 6 24 21 0.228
Lewis Brinson MIL OF OF -8 315 37 10 32 15 0.231
Nick Ahmed ARI SS SS -8 440 51 8 44 10 0.229
Jhoulys Chacin SD SP SP -8 167 7 0 4.27 1.41 137
Ryan Buchter KC RP RP -8 66 2 5 3.65 1.25 75
Clint Frazier NYY OF OF -8 255 28 4 34 8 0.241
Hyun-Jin Ryu LAD SP SP -8 97 4 0 4.49 1.34 77
Austin Meadows PIT OF OF -8 105 19 3 15 6 0.289
Patrick Corbin ARI SP SP -8 162 8 0 4.34 1.42 146
Kyle Gibson MIN SP SP -8 184 7 0 4.34 1.44 123
Tyson Ross TEX SP SP -8 102 6 0 3.81 1.35 93
Jordy Mercer PIT SS SS -8 508 57 10 54 2 0.246
Garrett Richards LAA SP SP -8 95 5 0 3.78 1.37 87
Justin Wilson CHC RP RP -8 63 3 3 3.45 1.27 72
Chad Green NYY RP RP -8 87 5 0 3.34 1.23 91
Matt Wisler ATL RP RP -8 102 5 0 4.24 1.31 86
Tyler Clippard HOU RP RP -8 68 6 1 3.31 1.21 79
Jesse Hahn OAK SP SP -8 98 4 0 4.31 1.41 64
Nate Karns KC SP SP -8 90 5 0 3.71 1.30 94
Ariel Miranda SEA SP SP -8 98 4 0 4.17 1.30 71
Ezequiel Carrera TOR OF OF -8 370 39 4 29 12 0.241
Joe Musgrove HOU RP RP -8 72 5 0 3.65 1.18 65
Wade Miley BAL SP SP -8 158 8 0 4.76 1.40 122
Jon Jay CHC OF OF -8 364 41 6 45 7 0.276
Adam Wainwright STL SP RP -8 171 10 0 4.45 1.38 132
Brock Holt BOS 2B/OF 2B/OF -8 311 38 7 31 5 0.261
Albert Almora Jr. CHC OF OF -8 324 35 5 28 4 0.251
Adeiny Hechavarria TB SS SS -8 512 51 5 49 3 0.255
Austin Jackson CLE OF OF -8 311 30 4 29 9 0.271
Arismendy Alcantara CIN OF OF -8 305 37 7 23 10 0.219
Chad Kuhl PIT SP SP -8 152 9 0 4.16 1.35 107
Dalton Pompey TOR OF OF -8 267 28 2 19 16 0.273
Trey Mancini BAL 1B/OF DH, 1B, OF -8 248 22 9 33 0 0.254
Pedro Strop CHC RP RP -8 62 4 2 2.77 1.01 76
Yunel Escobar LAA 3B 3B -8 527 63 7 51 2 0.282
Bruce Maxwell OAK C C -8 347 26 7 38 0 0.243
Carl Edwards Jr. CHC RP RP -8 51 5 1 2.78 1.08 70
Trayce Thompson LAD OF OF -8 275 33 10 31 6 0.231
J.J. Hardy BAL SS SS -8 502 48 7 52 0 0.249
Jed Lowrie OAK 2B 2B -8 468 48 7 52 0 0.249
Steven Brault PIT SP SP -8 135 7 0 4.34 1.42 119
Byung Ho Park MIN 1B 1B -8 307 44 15 51 1 0.221
Yonder Alonso SEA 1B 1B -8 460 55 7 57 3 0.278
Omar Narvaez CHW C C -8 289 27 3 32 2 0.271
Kevin Siegrist PHI RP RP -8 63 4 4 3.54 1.21 70
Corey Knebel MIL RP RP -8 59 2 5 4.12 1.38 71
Michael Lorenzen CIN RP RP -8 60 2 5 3.65 1.22 56
Trevor Rosenthal STL RP RP -8 62 4 2 3.88 1.40 78
   
  1. Another Dan says:
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    You sir, have just made my day at work much less productive.
    I say ‘thank you’, my boss says … well, I rarely listen anyways so I couldn’t tell you what she says. And the she never finishes her sentences, always going off topic and ‘reflecting back at you’, never succinct that lady, never short, apart from her actual height, and to the point. Not what you need first thing in the morning is it? Anyways what I wanted to say was ‘Thanks !!’

    Dan

  2. BitchesBeShoppach says:
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    Thanks as always!

  3. Packers says:
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    Thanks Grey. I hope people read your introduction first before the questions start. Have a great weekend.

  4. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!!

    This is the Magna Carta of fantasy!

    a. This is a cornucopia of unicode stuffed in the horn of a unicorn.

    b. This is what it feels like to all other senses upon seeing a beautiful rainbow!

    c. This is what the oasis would look like after 3 days and 3 nights of traveling through the hot desert!

    d. This is what the rain feels like after 3 months of dry heat in the 130F range in the Sahel region of Africa.

    Thanks a billion and have a nice weekend.

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ante GALIC: This is what it feels like when you realize Hostess now has Twinkie ice cream.

      • Ante GALIC says:
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        @Grey: Grey!!

        a. Ha! I thought you would say ‘only 3 days and 3 nights in the desert’ I can give you 20/20 and George Springer can easily give you 40/20!

        b. Downloaded ‘Manchester by the Sea’ and watched the first like 25 minutes, just before Casey Affleck is about to be shown his father’s dead body. Awesome thus far. Can’t wait to conclude later this evening.

        c. Also finished seasons 1 and 3 of Black Miror. Season 2 is moving very slowly.

        d. Line of Duty Season 1 is stuck at 44.6%, not looking good. The show’s been around for like 5 years so the file is old. Season 2 is at like 1.6%, looking decidedly worse. Still holding out hope for the weekend.

        Cheers,
        Ante

        • Grey

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          A. 40/20!

          B. You watch too many beginnings and not enough ‘all the way throughs’

          C. Yeah, one of the seasons was less awesome

          D. No!

          • Ante GALIC says:
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            @Grey: Grey!

            I savor them like I read my books. I never want the books I read to end because I enjoy them so much. Same for movies, plus VLC remembers where I left off so I can just continue with that movie without having to think or remember.

            Take care, man.

            Cheers,
            Ante

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              You read your books from last chapter to 1st at 4.6%?

              • Ante GALIC says:
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                @Grey: Grey!

                Haha, chapter by chapter. Not on a binge to read it in one day!

                Cheers,
                Ante

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Question, you work for Unicef or UN or same same?

                  • Ante GALIC says:
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                    @Grey: Grey!

                    UNHCR=High Commissioner for Refugees, basically same, same.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Ah, nice — you’re a good man, Ante

  5. Spot says:
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    Thanks for this enormous list, Grey.

    In my 8-team auction league, managers have the tendency to overpay for closers. Last year, the likes of Kyle Seager, Albert Pujols and Gregory Polanco went for $20 or $25, while the more or less established closers went for something between $25 and $40. For my last keeper spot, I have to decide between Anthony Rendon ($2) and Ken Giles/Seung Hwan Oh/Cody Allen ($1). Based on your ranking, this would seem to be a no-brainer. It is probably me, but I cannot make up my mind. If I would decide to go with Rendon, it would be settled at 3b (Nolan Arenado) and CI (Rendon) and it would safe me about $25. At the same time, keeping Giles/Oh/Allen would probably safe me more money. Could you please tell me what you would do?

    • Cram It says:
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      @Spot: It’s an 8-teamer, there should be plenty of closers available. Do teams hold onto 5 closers/potential closers? That said, your guys only cost $1 and Rendon is only $2 so either way you’re saving money. But if you can upgrade at CI in the auction, I’d use the money for that. On the third side, if you can’t, then take the closer $ to upgrade somewhere else. Although I don’t know how far $3 will take you. This probably wasn’t too helpful. I think it depends who is going to be available for purchase and where you’re weak going into the draft. In summation, I’d keep Rendon.

      • Sweatpants Nation says:
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        @Cram It: Agree with Cram. It’s kind of a push. Rendon saves you $25. The closers you have are at the lower end of the price closers go for. Just look at what may be available in the draft and go from there. Plus if you throw the closers back you have a shot at getting them back in an 8 teamer. It comes down to what you feel comfortable with.

    • DisEnFranchised says:
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      @Sweatpants Nation: I @Spot: I think you should punt saves or go for cheap closers if they are being inflated that much. Go after SPs with RP eligibility or setup men with good ratios and K rates. Target next in line for saves or get them when someone gets injured. Use the $ you save to load up elsewhere.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Spot: Rendon

      • Spot says:
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        @Grey: Thanks for the advice!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem!

  6. LenFuego says:
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    Great list, Grey, extremely helpful.

    I have a question about auction values. A typical league (including mine) has 12 teams with about 23 starters (14+9), for a total of 276 starters. Every player taken in the auction has a minimum price of $1, so owners need to account for at least $1 used for each of the top 276 players. But there are only 174 players with auction values of at least $1 in these rankings, and the 276th ranked player has an auction value of -$4. Do you have any advice on how to adjust the auction values to fit the parameters of my league?

    • Cram It says:
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      @LenFuego: Obviously you can’t buy a player for negative dollars. Just consider any player here valued at less than $1 to cost $1 in your draft?

    • Grey

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      @LenFuego: No problem! What Cram said… Everyone listed for negative is a dollar, but they could return negative dollars on return

      • LenFuego says:
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        @Grey:
        Thanks for the answer, but I am not sure that it is quite that easy. Doesn’t simply adjusting the 175th to 276th player values up from negative numbers to $1 inherently means that the top 174 players will have values allocated uniformly low?

        That is a concern in an auction league (or any league which uses dollar values and a salary cap), where the game is all about maximizing paid value vs actual value. If you allocate player values uniformly low, you will bail out of the bidding too early on all the great players auctioned early, and end up with a roster full of mediocre talent.

        But, that is my problem to figure out, not yours :-) You have done enough of the work for me already! Thanks again!

        • Grey

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          No problem

          • The Darkness says:
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            @Grey:

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              I would assume the dollar values generated would approximate what the projected stats from each player would have been worth in previous seasons, based on how the player rater values each stat category. I would assume (hopefully not making an ass out of u and me as this is pure speculation) that valuing players in this manor has a difficult time incorporating the added value of stats provided by bench players/streamed players . The players who are streamed end up adding additional value to the player pool, which is nearly impossible to add in consideration when considering auction values. This is because the auction values are based on the roto points/stats accumulated by each team, not the roto stats accumulated by only the drafted players from each team.

              This is why it is important to consider the projected stats/$ values generated by stat projections…..but it can’t be the only thing considered. According to my thinking, the players at the end of the draft have negative value because more than likely they will not provide positive value to your team if they are slotted at a position without swapping all year (set and forget). They can in actuality provide value if used correctly though with proper roster management.

              • Grey

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                I hear ya

    • Blind Umps have Rights too (seriously their union is that strong) says:
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      @LenFuego: this is what i have to do every year, but it’s pretty good.
      1. find the number of rostered players total in your league.
      2. add ALL of Grey/Rudy positive values (all players over 0) together. that’s your value base
      3. divide the value base by total number of players that will be owned post draft in your league. this number is the gap between say the best player and the next best (or next worst).
      4. start at the lowest ranked player in Grey/Rudy whoever’s list that you are using, that player is $1. the next best player is the number obtained by #3 added to $1. the next best player is that same number better than the 2nd guy, and so on.

      the assumption being that each pick is worth the same amount more than the player just below, and is worth that much less than the player just above. this isn’t perfect of course, but is a simple way to approximate values. you can tweak certain players of course. Rudy would have a better way to do this with better math. what i’m doing works much better in snake drafts than auctions, as in auctions players often will be tiered, so 4 guys might be “worth” $14 instead of 13.76, 13.92, 14.08, 14.24 etc, and they could be jumps in price here and there.

  7. toneDEAF! says:
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    DESMOND JENNINGS TO THE REDS!!! Career resurgence! Yeaaaaa…

      • Clogged Rosterman says:
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        @Grey:

        MRSA?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Make Reds Sreat Again —

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Obviously! (I typo’d)

  8. Sweatpants Nation says:
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    Great post. And perfect timing for the weekend. Such planning skills. Looking forward to next week’s pitching combo post.
    Have a great weekend.

  9. Me says:
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    Thanks Grey!

    Who are the players you can see finishing as the #1 fantasy player this year?

    For me, I’d be surprised if it’s not one of these 5 players:

    1. Trout
    2. Betts
    3. Altuve
    4. Harper
    5. Turner

    • Grey

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      @Me: Machado, Bryant, Goldy

    • PEDs3 says:
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      @Me: Not Turner. Even if he goes 20-60 (total upside) he still likely won’t finish #1 overall. Keep in mind, Villar did that last year and wasn’t #1 overall.

  10. Roger Podacter says:
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    Yay, Christmas!

    http://i.imgur.com/PuLQa7r.gif

    PS. How come Captain Picard never did an advertisement for Bic razors? This is Pic, for Bic. Look slick, even if your hair is thick.

  11. Rufus Xavier Sasparilla says:
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    Orz

  12. Test Kitchen says:
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    Grey,

    Do weekly lineup leagues change your philosophy on pitching at all? Since you have to commit to a guy, and a lineup spot, for a week, you obviously have less flexibility to stream.

    Can you still follow your general pitching philosophy in a weekly lineup league or do top Starters get a small boost in value since, theoretically, they are more “dependable”?

    Thanks

    • DisEnFranchised says:
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      @Test Kitchen: I would stick with Grey’s plan. Starting pitchers have a 2 start week every 5th week; so stream 1-2 2 start pitchers per week or as needed.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Test Kitchen: Unless the league is crazy deep, it doesn’t change

      • Test Kitchen says:
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        @Grey: Cool, thanks Grey

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  13. Dave says:
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    You know that Seinfeld episode where Jerry won’t tell George how much he paid for his fancy new blazer?

    Much like that I just wanted to say I traded for Trea Turner in my Dynasty and I DO NOT want to talk about what I paid! So stop asking!

    OK it was a little more than Scherzer, but I can’t say anything else.

    OK it was Scherzer plus a top 100 player.

    OK top 50.

    Maybe top 2o in some rankings….

    But that’s ALL I’m telling you so stop asking!

    • Grey

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      @Dave: How much?

      • Dave says:
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        @Grey: I just…. can’t….

        But you sir are partly to blame because I drank a few too many potent IPAs listening to the top2o podcast and then the liquid courage was all like ” fuck it I’m gonna offer Scherzer and Starling Marte for Trea Turner and Verlander!!”

        So I did. And he accepted.

        But seriously I’m not telling you anything else

        • Grey

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          Haha

        • Blind Umps have Rights too (seriously their union is that strong) says:
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          @Dave: if you got verlander back it’s not really “i paid scherzer + another top 20 player for treat urner”

  14. Noam says:
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    In a dynasty Grey, would you trade Familia and a 4th rd pick (prospect draft) for Devon Travis?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Noam: Yeah

  15. Dodger Rabbit says:
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    Stats for Cam Bedrosian (#243) look missing…

    • Grey

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      @Dodger Rabbit: Must’ve been a error transferring, will fix

  16. Hoosier Daddy says:
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    FYI….looks like projections for DH players were omitted

    • Grey

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      @Hoosier Daddy: Must’ve been a error transferring, will fix

  17. danny almonte says:
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    In a svhld league, would Miller get bumped up to the Chapman/Kenly/Britton tier?

  18. ElBoss says:
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    You have drafted 2 pitchers and 2 outfielders, are you still taking Billy Hamilton over Mccullers? I feel like Hamilton is gonna take it to the next level this year is there any reason for concern with him?

    • Grey

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      @ElBoss: I’m only taking Hamilton if I need steals, nothing to do with number of OFs

  19. PEDs3 says:
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    Keep 1:
    G Sanchez $8
    Gausman: $2
    Paxton; $1

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sanchez

      • PEDs3 says:
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        @Grey: I knew you loved Catchers!
        Thanks Grey!

  20. Crock says:
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    Joining a startup 12 or 14 team (not sure which we will have) 40 roster dynasty league. We are gonna have some sort of competition to determine draft slot selection. Winner will get first pick of draft slot and so on. In scenario what draft slot do you feel is the best? This would be a snake draft.

    • Grey

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      1st

  21. HolyGhostClaw says:
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    Yo Yo Grey!!

    Been reading all the sleeper posts, top 10/20/etc positional posts, and yesterday’s top 100. And now this. The motherload 500! Finally starting to feel like baseball is getting close. Thanks for this! Great work!

    Delino Desheilds #488, :-( RIP!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No problem! At least DeShizz made it!

  22. Bad Ash says:
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    Rudy, Will there be an easy way to replace AVG with Steamer/Razzball OBP projections? Would like to keep the rest of Grey’s top 500 as is. (Put aside that OBP v. AVG might change some hitters’ rankings.)

    The option to download this as CSV is very helpful. Thanks!

    And thank you, Grey, you handsome mustachioed bastard! Top 500: I wasn’t readyyyyy
    https://www.tenor.co/view/gif-3540683

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha, no problem

  23. GreyDay says:
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    Heyo! Did we get any takers on the War Room doc?

    • Grey

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      We did, it will be out next week

  24. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Always forget these come with nifty auction values!

    In standard 12 team keeper leagues, to snag the young studs like Trout, Harper, Polanco/Dahl, etc., about how far above your projected salaries would you reach to grab them? $5 or so, a little more for the Trouts of the world?

    The particular league I’m thinking of is only a keep-5, so even 5 high priced keepers won’t totally ruin your year-to-year draft budget.

    Thanks.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Easy $5 over… If you start with $260 and someone has, say, Goldy, for $15, they have an extra $20 to spend on another player

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: For sure. I could have phrased my question better in retrospect! What about for drafting a team in a brand new keeper league–meaning that all players are draftable this year only, but then the keep-5 kicks in.

        Since it’s only keep 5, I’d like to target at least 4 young top 20 bats (Trout, Harper, Freeman, Story, for example) + am trying to figure out how much I should be willing to spend over the projected auction values to snag them.

        Obviously Trout won’t appreciate in value too much, but I figure that if I have those guys at the top, then the Polancos, Dahls, Moncadas etc. of the world later on, that should guarantee me a nice set of 5 guys for 2018.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ah, then I wouldn’t inflate anyone… In a five keeper league there will be a ton of keepers on every team

          • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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            @Grey: Makes sense. Thanks!

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              No problem

  25. Foul balls says:
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    Always enjoy the read and the helpful insight, in a 10 team league h2h 9keepers and all 9 of my keepers are in your top 30 here’s hopen the swami of the spitball is successful in his studious top 500 selections

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, thanks!

  26. Fungazi says:
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    Looks like you won’t be getting much of Bregman this year. He’s MI in yahoo, not SS as you have in this btw.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He’s MI not SS? Huh?

      • Fungazi says:
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        @Grey: Yeah, I think since Yahoo does 5 GS at a position to get eligibility, he had 4 starts at SS and 1 start at 2B which qualifies at MI but not SS specifically.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          They do MI but not SS or 2B? Did they always do that?

          • Fungazi says:
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            @Grey: Not really sure. It stood out in the player list, so I don’t think I’ve seen it before. Here are some other players I can see with it –

            Jose Ramirez 3B, MI, OF
            Brock Holt, 3B, MI, OF
            Tony Wolters, C, MI if that isn’t a strange eligibility combo

            Don’t see any of the equivalent of CI

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Wolters did play 10 games at MI, oddly enough… That is bizarre, I don’t remember that previous years… So, do they rank for MIs?

              • Fungazi says:
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                @Grey: Yes, you can sort by MI, but that just shows all SS, 2B and these MI spots.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  So weird

      • dubjay says:
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        @Grey:
        @Grey:
        hes 3B in my yahoo league

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, I don’t know about this MI thing

          • goodfold2 says:
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            @Grey: it’s been going on for i think this is the 3rd or at least 2nd year. it’s rare of course, since somebody would have to have less than 5 games at a specific MI spot.

  27. Clogged Rosterman says:
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    I guess we’re all going to be owning a lot of shares of Tommy Joseph.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Really?

      • Clogged Rosterman says:
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        @Grey:

        Yahoo puts him down at around #230 and I recently got him for like $3 in a dynasty auction draft, where I’d figure his value would be even higher. (Healy went for like $8 and Bird went for $13 in the same draft.)

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ah, yeah, we’re gonna be owning TJ!

  28. Jake says:
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    Thanks so much for doing these. Pairing these with Rudy’s tools (heh heh) is a great advantage going into drafts.

    BTW, when should we expect Rudy’s projections?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He’s aiming for early next week

      • DonnieB says:
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        Will Rudy or the staff be doing a grid by position based on your rankings? In the past,that is very helpful going into drafts that are live and moving fast.. Thanks for all your work for us out here that rely on your efforts.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Someone else has always done a tier sheet, if someone does it, I’ll make it available

  29. Basement Artie says:
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    Thanks Grey. As is the case every year, I wait for you to post this so I can transfer it over to Yahoo for draft day. Any chance you can hide this from everyone else in my league?I think they’re on to me. Thanks again.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Get their IPs for me and I will block them

  30. I am the Walrus says:
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    I’m evaluating my last years draft-12 team—H2H/5 SP with 6 bench spots. So a lot of pitchers used per week.
    Here it is (with round): 4-Price, 8-Liraino, 11-Iglesias, 12-Corbin, 14- Fiers, 15-Leake, 16-Estrada, 20-Santiago, 21-Karns, 22-E.Ramirez.
    As you can see this sucks! (somehow I barely made the playoff and won the league!). So what went wrong? Options:
    1) wrong draft/round strategy
    2) simply drafted the wrong guys (although mostly Razzball likes)
    3) Sent with too much upside and needed a few safe picks.
    4) other or combination of the above??

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I didn’t say to draft Price, and he’s your ace… Then you got pretty unlikely with who you drafted as your 2nd through 7th

      • I am the Walrus says:
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        OK, I think you mean I got pretty *unlucky right? So the strategy was basically good then other than Price?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, typo

  31. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Sorry to bump from the above chain. Looking at the rankings, who are some established guys that you think can make the leap to top 20 next year?

    The running short list that I have going is: Dahl, Polanco, Moncada (if stars align), Pollock and Myers (if those guys essentially repeat their last full seasons).

    Any glaring guys I’m missing? Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      JD, Lindor

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: Thanks!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Cram It: Delino!!!!!!!!!

  32. dubjay says:
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    Hey grey,
    Im up next in a 12 team H2H keeper league.
    My offense is pretty set with only C and my 2 UTIL positions open. I only have 2 SP and 1 CL so far.
    My OF is kind of questionable with Pollock, Mazara, and Buxton. Im trying to decide between
    B.HAMILTON
    D.DUFFY
    J.BAUTISTA
    A.PUJOLS
    What do you think?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Duffy or Pujols — Hamilton only if you need steals

      • dubjay says:
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        @Grey:
        I hate one note players like Hamilton but when they are that dominating, its hard to avoid. I already have some steals with Dozier, Frazier, and my current OF.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          You don’t need him

  33. Humm Baby says:
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    Great list and awesome we can download it. Thank you… It looks like in my Yahoo league, Trumbo is only eligible in the OF, and not 1B, at least to start the season. Looks like he finished 1 game started short of qualifying for 1B, which sucks because 1B is so shallow this year.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No problem!

  34. Dom says:
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    10 team, 5×5 roto, we keep 10 players
    I have eight, need help on the 9th and 10th
    Keepers: Bryant, Correa, Story, Harper, Dahl, Yu Darvish, Carrasco, Jansen
    Options: Adam Jones, Danny Salazar, Pujols

    In the draft is looks like Odor, Springer, or JD Martinez will be available in the 1st and one of these pitchers in the 2nd round: Kluber, Lester, Arrieta, Cueto

    Which two do I keep?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not Pujols

  35. A-Ram Baller says:
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    Moncada is listed on the Red Sox… Too much time with the Cougs…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I don’t do the teams, Rudy does

      • A-Ram Baller says:
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        @Grey: Excuses are like Poems, they are for sissies and no one wants to hear them…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha

  36. WarrrrrmMilk says:
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    Grey,
    My daughter’s middle name is in honor of you! My wife may dispute that you were the inspiration, but whatever, her birth cert says “Grey” and she is quite a handsome little baby. Handsome in a non-mustache having female baby sort of way.

    Need some help. I’m in a 16 team keep 5 players forever league with no dollar amounts or escalation on keepers. We also get one minor league draft pick each year. Offensive stat categories are R, H, 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, SB, TB, AVG, OPS. My five keepers are Goldschmidt, Machado, Murphy, Kershaw, and Archer. I’m being offered Bryce Harper for Goldschmidt and my minor league draft pick (all top 100 prospects are already owned). Harper scares me to death! But I gotta pull the trigger on this, right??? Help me Obi. Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I am honored… Remember, baby’s don’t have mustaches, usually, give her time!

      Yeah, take Harper

  37. Joey says:
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    12 team, h2h dynasty league. Would you make either trade?

    1. Trade away Bellinger for Carpenter
    2. Trade away Bellinger and Benintendi for Rizzo

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      2

      • Joey says:
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        @Grey:

        Thanks. What about Benintendi for Cespedes? Better or worse than the other offers?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I’d want Rizzo

  38. Big Mike says:
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    Santan at 61 for 5×5 leagues causes me a dilemma – that would obviously put him a good bit higher in a league that values OBP (mine uses avg/obp/slg as individual categories). Ballpark for me his value in such a league (12-team mixed). He’s on my roster and I’m planning to drop, but I may have to keep him. Santana and the Rizz are a tasty 1B and CI combo for my OBP.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not sure of the question

      • Bad Ash says:
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        @Grey:

        He meant how much higher does Santan, the Suntan Man, go if ranking OBP instead of AVG. Probably 10-15 spots?

        Who can play for Cleveland
        sprinkle in some Jew (Kipnis)
        cover his stats with BBs and 31 home runs or two

        The Suntan Man
        oh the Suntan Man can
        The Suntan Man can
        cause he mixes it with lotion
        and doesn’t act a fooo

        Bleh, needs work.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, about 10 spots, maybe one round earlier sounds right

  39. peacecoast says:
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    Grey, in my league we have no innings limit so people tend to run 9 SP out there to try compete in W and K. Personally I hate this but I have to deal with it. Also we only do weekly FAAB transactions so no streaming really. How much does this change your SP drafting goals? I will be keeping VV in 27 and plan to start drafting around the time you recommend (carrasco tier).
    I suppose this is a better question for when you post the SP pairings huh.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      How many teams?

      • peacecoast says:
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        @Grey: 12t mixed roto 5×5 (NSVH)

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Meh, I wouldn’t do anything that different… there will be plenty of pitchers available

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Where? I don’t see it

      • Big Odio says:
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        @Grey: you have to look under the Obama not born in America link. Ralph gives great directions

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Oh, Sky was razzing Bauer, I see… In related news, Trevor Bauer is going on a speaking tour with Curt Schilling

          • Big Odio says:
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            @Grey: They can discuss how perverts with beards wearing dresses will occupy little girls bathrooms because of that whole transgender thing. Which btw, dont confuse my mocking of them, if you have a dick you use the mens room, if you got that thing cut off then go cop a squat in the ladies.

  40. jack florida says:
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    best fantasy rankings and help anywhere—thanks for the great stuff

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No problem, jack florida!

  41. The great Knoche says:
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    Who Is Mr. Irrellavent? Strop or Rosenthal?

    So hard to choose.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Rosenthal

  42. Noam says:
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    Any hope for Souza? Can he capitalize on his earlier promise or should I try to dump him in my dynasty?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Prolly dump, but don’t know your options

  43. diesel says:
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    This is just gorgeous. Thank you.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No problem!

      • diesel says:
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        @Grey: Mr Grey, no Conforto, is he honorable mention at least? You see him fading away, or what?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I see no playing time for him this year unless the Mets make some moves… Steamer has him at about 280 ABs, which seems generous even and pretty useless

          • diesel says:
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            @Grey: Woof. I guess Steamer is counting mucho days off for the grandparents in the outfield.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, that feels optimistic unless Bruce or Grandy get traded

  44. SurveySaysIRock says:
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    Take a hike Christmas, this is the most wonderful time of the year.

    So I’m in a dynasty keeper league and I have a decision to make. We are allowed 5 keepers and the rest of my keepers are pretty much set (Schmiddy, Harper, Odor, JD) but I also have Arrieta and Darvish, who would basically count as my fifth round pick in a 10 team league. We don’t penalize for pitching losses and we also have K/BB (along with K’s). That being said, which pitcher would you keep? Or would you not keep either?

    Thank you and I’m sure I speak for everyone here when I say I appreciate everything you do!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, thanks! I’d keep Darvish…

  45. Hwood says:
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    I’m starting a 5 year keeper league. You can keep 4 players. Would you keep 3 bats and 1 pitcher or 4 bats??

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      How many teams?

      • Hwood says:
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        @Grey: 12 teams and OBP rather than average

  46. swaggerjackers says:
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    @Grey:

    In a weekly H2H category league, would you shift your draft strategy to favor pitching any more than usual? Last year, some teams in this league seemingly went overboard with SPs and were rolling out staffs like Kershaw, Bumgarner, Lester and Cole Hamels.

    To keep up, I started out my staff with Sale and Synder. (I had good keepers with Goldy, Stanton, and Abreu so I felt okay taking some high end pitchers. As the season played out, I was splitting categories most weeks tying 5-5 or losing 4-6. I’d lose half the offensive categories despite a roster that included the keepers mentioned above along with Springer, Story, Odor, Franco, etc.

    Based on that experience in the league, would you go even harder for bats or double down with two high end starters again?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d generally buy less pitching in a H2H league, but depth matters

  47. Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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    20 team h2h keep 7-9. keeping less than 9 net you supplemental predraft draft picks. after keeping what you told me:
    C g.sanchez
    1B carpenter
    2B cano
    3B (could be carpenter if 1B is better FA)
    SS
    OF (3) dahl/piscotty/cargo 1
    util treat urner

    also have these could be kept (porcello/lackey/rodon/f.martes (HOU)/ellsbury/jose ram/a.jones), so i’ve been shopping them. got a trade deal of
    my rodon + martes for 14th round (5th round after keepers and supplemental draft) + 15th round

    1. look good enough? one reason to move them is this team i’m moving them to could make other deals if i don’t do it and i’d get nothing
    2. after seeing your lackey rank guessing still a no to keep him as 8th due to age, as i could get back him again or somebody better at picks 19/22 if i only keep 7, albeit i’d have no pitcher keeper at all.

      • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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        @Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey: max 1250 innings with 5 RP slots, so not a lot of SP needed here.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      1. Sounds fine if best you can do 2. You have no one to throw back

      • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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        @Grey: got it on trade (yeah i’ll take it as this other owner while not having great keepers in total can only fit 9 total, so if he doesn’t trade for my 2 here he’ll probably go somewhere else, he didn’t bite on jones or porcello, who’d i thought would get bites, they still might from others, this owner is going young),

        in #2, i’m keeping the 7 shown, when you say “have no one to throw back” do you mean i should keep 2 more of above players (jones/lackey/porcello/jose ram, albeit keeping jones would make one of my OF a bench guy) or did you mean the opposite?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          2. You have room to keep Lackey? Then I’d keep him, why not?

          • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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            @Grey: yeah keep 7-9 i have 7 at this point, and i probably didn’t include him when i asked this earlier, and certainly didn’t see him being in top 100 at that time, that post came out couple days later. ok, so lackey as 8th keeper. would still have pick at 22nd overall out of 40 picks in the supplemental draft open only for those who keep less than 9. so really it’s quite possibly a better pick than 22nd.

            • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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              @Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey: here’s something (and it’s probably just yahoo being yahoo (re: lazy and inept)), when i went to look at whether or not jose ram should maybe be kept as 9th keeper (you have him 144th, he’s probably lower in OPS/XBH league though), which projects as having value in a 20 team league (pick 144 equals early 8th rounder in 20 teamer), i noticed in yahoo’s he’s NOT getting SS/2B as you have above (and i’m betting it’s not your error for sure) only 3B/OF. so if yahoo doesn’t fix this he would have to be a 3B for me, obviously i’d rather have him as a SS.

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                Hmm, not sure, Rudy did positions based on files received from data provider… not 100% on them being accurate, he is in the process of checking them

                • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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                  @Grey: by yahoo’s rules i’m pretty sure it’s just them not having updated jose ram yet. last year even in the MIDDLE of the season they let swihart go 5 extra games over their eligibility limits before giving him LF (OF). if a site is that lazy during season i’m sure it’s quite believable they’ll just update it later in preseason.

                  • Grey

                    Grey says:
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                    Yeah, never underestimate Yahoo!’s laziness

            • LenFuego says:
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              @Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey:
              I think the way to look at this is that with a 20 team league and minimum 7 protections per team, at least 140 players will be protected, so unless your 8th guy is worse than 140 (or at least close to that level), you should probably keep him. Lackey is ranked 91st – that seems like an easy keep decision.

              For your 9th guy, there will be at least 160 players gone by the time that draft pick comes up. Or you could protect Adam Jones, who is ranked 81st. I know you have 3 OF already, but that seems like too much value to pass up – do you really want to pick up a SS or 3B ranked about 160th overall rather than have an 81st ranked outfielder? I would take Jones and wait for the trade market to develop a few weeks into the season. Somebody will have a spare SS or 3B that is higher ranked than whatever you will pick up in the pre-supplemental draft.

              • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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                @LenFuego: i already have
                treat urner/cargo 1/piscotty/dahl/cano for
                2B
                OF (3)
                util (1)

                so somebody would be a bench bat. i am of course trying to get draft pick for jones.

                • LenFuego says:
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                  @Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey: Sure, absolutely try to trade him if you can. But if you can’t get that done before the draft, I would keep him as a spare outfielder and look to trade him after.

                  Or ….

                  Not sure of your eligibilty rules, but Trea Turner got in 2 games at SS last year – in our league,getting in just one game at a position makes a guy eligible at that position for the rest of the season. So if Turner gets in at SS sometime in April or May, you may be able to slide him to SS and slide Adam Jones in at U for the rest of the season. Voila!

                  • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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                    @LenFuego: HOLY SHIT THANKS! i had a memory of earlier assuming that treat urner is in fact the SS at WAS now, but forgot about it. he certainly is. by game 6 of season (assuming yahoo gonna yahoo doesn’t pull a swihart) he’ll be my SS. yeah, keeping jones makes sense. only way this looks bad is if a better than lackey pitcher doesn’t get kept, and i could’ve drafted him over lackey had i not kept lackey. this happened last year when i traded for rodon predraft and then maybe 1-3 better SP weren’t kept and i could’ve gotten them had i not kept rodon

  48. For an Armenianless vacation come to Akron says:
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    after seeing you say the OBP rankings are out monday does that mean Rudy’s most awesome player rater with all the neat extra categories is out sooner (i do remember you saying mid-late feb i think, so we’re almost there, man that time went quick) than later? i can then start my super time consuming merging of yours with his for differing type leagues with any mix of OPS/slugging/OBP/QS/holds etc.

      • For an Armenianless vacation come to Akron says:
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        @Grey: ok, i had only scrolled over the “player rater” tab above and it still says “2016” so i didn’t open the page, Rudy has a note saying steamer/razzball out feb 15th, so there we go. although if those are out the 15th i wonder what updates he put up today (it also says updated feb 11th).

        it has mookie 2nd overall, so i know it’s NOT 2016, i think mookie was maybe 5th-7th in OPS in 2016 rankings.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          It’s updated for 2017 but not done with tweaks

  49. nick the dick says:
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    See you in Mexico!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Okay, how the f*ck do you not recognize your wife’s voice?

      • nick the dick says:
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        @Grey: Insane. Tesar’s wife has a pretty distinct, sountherny big toothed voice too. Hell, give me one cackle and i’d know it’s you!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Right?! I mean, I would know everyone in my family like instantly

    • I got $100 for groceries, $1400 for liquor, and $6,000 for you to go bail a couple of shit puppets out of jail says:
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      @nick the dick: good god, i don’t know the backstory yet on this, but that wife is gonna get CHEESED OFF big time if you don’t know her voice.

  50. CJ says:
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    Any reason Ervin Santana was left off the top 500? Has to be better than some of the guys on there like Ariel Miranda.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He’s a back end starter, would project him for a 4+ ERA, nothing very special

      • M says:
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        @Grey: I know he doesn’t have a spot in the rotation but if Devenski were to win a rotation spot, would he be in the Strahm tier?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah

  51. Slick says:
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    Grey,

    20 Team H2H. You could choose 5 Keepers. Who is your preferred 1Bman: Votto or Wil Myers?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Votto

  52. nick the dick says:
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    You got me out here carving up snow and salting my walkway like the salt throwing guy. Sprinkle it baby! Go ‘head baby!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      HA, yes!

  53. Jason says:
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    Great rankings Grey!

    Just a heads up, in the OF rankings you have Perez 63 and Jankowski 64. But in overall rankings you have Jankowski (223) ahead of Perez (254). Caught it while updating my excel sheet. Cheers!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Oops, will update

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Hey, I flip flopped Perez and Jankowski in the OF rankings rather than here

      • Jason says:
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        @Grey:

        Cool I’ll update my sheet thank you sir!

  54. peacecoast says:
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    GMAN my keeper situation is evolving. 12T mixed roto. I have goldie, arenado, bryant, rizzo in rounds 1 to 4. That leaves me with one keeper left. Pick 5 in my draft is pick #50. Pick 6 will be #71 due to the snake. I can take Pollock in 5 but I was sorta planning on taking my first SP there. I could also take Dee Gordon in round 5. If I don’t take either I can draft in round 5 (pick 50) and keep VV in round 27. I am torn! Take pollock or Dee in round 5 then wait till pick 71 (round 6) to start my pitchers? I think Carrasco et al will be gone by then. Or keep VV in 27 and then pick up one from Carrasco tier in round 5. My soul, my life, is open to your decision.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Pollock

  55. J-Money says:
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    What Up Grey,

    Its good to be back. Who is this years Arenado or Polanco??

    Thanks man!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I have Kepler about 200 spots higher than others…. I have Story about 3 rounds higher at 20

  56. Slick says:
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    If a crumb falls out of Grey’s mustache and nobody sees it, did it actually fall?

    • Grey

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      Yes

  57. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Hey Grey! What do you think of this team in a 12 team H2H categories league? OBP and OPS instead of AVG. Any holes?

    C – Yasmany
    1B – Freeman
    2B – Villar
    SS – Story
    3B – Justin Turner (nice obp and ops numbers)
    OF – Trout
    OF – JD Martinez
    OF – Polanco
    UTL – Dahl

    Thanks!

    • Grey

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      Nah, looks dope, no complaints here

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: thanks! It’s a keeper so pumped about my OF situation in particular.

        • Grey

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          No problem

  58. Big Magoo

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    Did you see the John Wick sequel? I’ll might try to catch it at some point this weekend. The first one shocked the hell out of me. Who knew that fifty-something Keanu would be pumping out good action movies.

    • Grey

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      Nah, I never saw the first one

      • Big Magoo

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        @Grey: If you liked the original Bourne trilogy (not the most recent one or the Renner one) and/or a film like Collateral, I highly recommend it. Great action and a surprisingly good story too.

        Obligatory FBB comment – this is the first time I can ever remember liking Matt Moore. AT&T Park should help him immensely. Bench him in Coors and maybe in Chase Field (even though he had a great start there late last season) and he should give you just under a strikeout per inning with decent ratios. Interesting post-hype guy. Anyone like that you’re looking at this year?

        • Grey

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          Wow, high praise, I do like those movies… Cool, will check it out… Yeah, I’m not a Moore fan usually, but I would draft him as a 5th fantasy starter in all leagues, but might only start him at home in April until I trust him

          • Big Magoo

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            @Grey: Yeah, it’s kind of like those movies. He’s a “retired” assassin, things happen, then REVENGE! Definitely check out the first one if you get a chance.

            Moore is still a late rounder/streamer in RCLs, but I’m interested in deeper formats. Definitely more of a back-end starter, but he looks interesting this year.

            • Grey

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              Yeah, I’m gonna look for it!

        • Grey

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          Oh, and Nova for last pregunta

          • Big Magoo

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            @Grey: Nova looked great with Pittsburgh, but there’s no way he maintains that miniscule walk rate, and they preach efficiency and pitching to contact. We need Ks, Searage! He’s worth a flier, but I’m not expecting a huge breakout.

            • Grey

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              Yeah, guess we’ll see but I think him and Moore are gonna be similar

              • Big Magoo

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                @Grey: Most likely. Every year, there are maybe 20 or so SPs that look interesting outside of the top 40ish guys and maybe 4-5 of them pan out. Nova and Moore will probably be 4.00/1.30 guys and be dumped onto the wire in short order. So we’re probably both wrong, haha. But maybe not. Gotta be on the lookout for this year’s Hendricks.

                • Grey

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                  Yeah, totally

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      @Big Magoo: such a great movie (the first). Can’t wait for chapter 2

      • Big Magoo

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        @Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: Yup, I was referring to the first one. This one has received rave reviews too though. I’m hoping to catch it tomorrow, but next weekend at the latest. It looks great.

        • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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          @Big Magoo: yeah same. I’m sure it’ll be great. I think Lawrence Fishburne is in this one too!

          • Big Magoo

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            @Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: A Matrix reunion! Not a full one though. I read somewhere that Carrie-Anne Moss didn’t like working with Keanu for some reason. Not sure if it’s true or not.

  59. Natitude says:
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    In a 12 team h2h category keeper league – can keep 8 players . The cost to keep a player is 1$ a year with a $1 salary increase each year U keep a player. I’m the league champ but am facing a tough choice with my 7Th and 8th keeper. Who would you keep and why ?

    Altuve
    Areanado
    Corerra
    Votto
    Springer
    Cueto

    Now the hard part?
    Dozier
    Bergman
    K Jansen
    Trumbo
    C Martinez
    D Duffy

    • Grey

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      C-Mart,
      Trumbo

      Is a tough call though

  60. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Hey Grey!

    Any qualms or hesitation about trading your $3 moncada for $10 jd Mart in a keep 7 forever (+$3) league?

    Other keepers are all top 1-20 bats plus Dahl and Yu.

    Thanks!

    • Grey

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      Nope, no qualms

  61. Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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    now with these projected keepers from above
    C sanchez
    1B carpenter
    2B cano
    SS treat urner (5 days into season he’ll have this in yahoo)
    3B
    OF (3) cargo 1/piscotty/dahl
    util (1) jones (OF)
    SP lackey
    and might have a porcello for a pick deal coming

    would you make a jones for g.cole here (QS/holds/XBH/OPS added 7X7)
    i’d keep cole over lackey after this deal, and then target either the best 1B or 3B (or really just best overall player) while getting an earlier pick before draft at slot 22 overall. if i keep nine (with lackey and jones) my first pick would be at pick 59 overall. or could even just keep lackey and cole and still have my first pick at 59 overall.

    • Grey

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      Go Cole over Jones

      • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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        @Grey: after getting cole (if that happens), stick with cole and lackey (and not worry about pitching for a while, even in 20 teamer, since only 1250 innings max) still keep lackey (thus first pick at 59), or don’t keep lackey and start at pick 22nd.

        • Grey

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          And what kind of player would be at pick 22? A Lackey type?

          • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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            @Grey: i’ll go look at that. once i know more i’ll report back. with some teams it’s completely obvious. 2 teams are stockpiling really good prospects (the same guy who bought rodon + martes (HOU) off me for 14th-15th rounders just got b.rodgers + robles for just an 11th, which is crazy to me).

  62. Matt says:
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    Okay grey I took your advise and tried to improve my pitching a bit. I’m in a 12 team 20 keeper dynasty league 7×7 format.

    I traded Jose Altuve and Jeff samardzija for Noah Syndagaard jean Segura and a 2nd round pick.

    Jt Realmuto. C
    Freddie freeman. 1b
    Jean segura. 2b
    Nolan Arenado 3b
    Carlos Correra. SS
    Nomar Mazara. Of
    Jackie Bradley Jr. Of
    Jay Bruce. Of
    Brad miller. Utility
    Manuel Margot. Utility

    Noah syndagaard. Sp
    Aaron Nola. Sp
    Collin Mchugh. Sp
    Tyson Ross. Sp
    Trevor Bauer. Sp
    Kelvin Herrera Rp

    I know I still need to improve on the arms here in the draft, but what do you think of the altuve deal, and the structure of my team.

    Thank you as always!

    • Grey

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      Never would’ve told you to make that trade

      • Matt says:
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        @Grey:

        I know you wouldn’t but I needed that arm, after seeing your projection for segura I felt it was the right thing to do. Maybe not though lol

        • Grey

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          Hopefully it works out

  63. Milkshakes says:
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    any reason for the low playing time estimates on Daniel Murphy (or is that factoring in a lot of walks?) His R/RBI projection seems low

    Also, what do you think of Odor’s 12 “just enough” HR and his 67% SB success rate?

    • Grey

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      I have him at 510 ABs, he’s had 499 in 2015 and 531 in 2016… How is 510 low?

  64. Slick says:
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    I’m guessing that now that Phillips is out the door, we’ll need to take a closer look at those Peraza rankings?

  65. nightpandas says:
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    Grey,

    who do you like more in a keep forever league? Springer or Desmond….I do have a shot to win this year…

    • Grey

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      Springer

  66. Righty says:
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    Is there something wrong with the dollar values in the list? Seems to be some random -8 and -9 values around rank 295 and then later in the rankings. Just seems out of order or off based on the ranks themselves.

    • Grey

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      Momentarily thing prolly, Rudy might be messing with the spreadsheet

  67. Samson says:
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    10 team league, I have goldy, scherzer, and kershaw, I keep all three right?

  68. Mclovin it says:
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    Keeper league
    keep 6
    Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases (SB), Batting Average (AVG)
    Wins (W), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)

    arenado, bogaerts, bregman, dahl, buxton, mazara, cole, cmart or giolito

    what you thinking? thanks!

  69. Jason says:
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    Did my first mock with all your rankings out and my excel sheet done. 10 team H2H 5×5 21 roster spots. Thoughts appreciated thanks!

    C- MURPHY (RD 21)
    1B- FREEMAN (RD 3)
    2B- ODOR (RD 4)
    3B- RENDON (RD 8)
    SS- CORREA (RD 2)
    OF- BRYANT (RD 1)
    OF- DESMOND (RD 5)
    OF- DAHL (RD 10)
    UT- SEGURA (RD 7)
    BN- MILLER (RD 14)
    BN- KEPLER (RD 18)

    SP- DARVISH (RD 6)
    SP- MARTINEZ (RD 9)
    RP- HERRERA (RD 15)
    RP- IGLESIAS (RD 19)
    P- DUFFY (RD 11)
    P- HILL (RD 12)
    P- LACKEY (RD 13)
    BN- MCCULLERS (RD 16)
    BN- PINEDA (RD 17)
    BN- KELLEY (RD 20)

    CHEERS!

  70. ChiWhtSx says:
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    Need oyur advisce Grey. I’m in a 15 keeper dynasty league. I’m struggling with my 15th pick. Would you keep Jonathon Schoop or Taijuan Walker. I am light on SP, but like the upside of Schoop. Or if you think i should keep both, and drop someone else. Below is my team..

    C- Buster Posey
    1B- Carlos Santana
    2B – Jason Kipnis
    SS- Francisco Lindor
    3B – Anthony REndon
    OF – Mike Trout
    OF- JD Martinez
    OF- Ian Desmond
    Util – Stephen Piscotty
    Util- Khris Davis
    Util- ?

    SP- Justin Verlander
    SP- StephenStrasburg
    SP-?
    SP-?
    SP-?
    RP- Roberto Osuna
    RP- Craig Kimbrel

  71. 5 by 5 12 team league roto………is it smart to avoid drafting closers.. just sticking with starting pitching and middle relievers? a guy in our league finished 2nd last year not drafting closers til 3/4 of the way through season….drafting starters and RP with high K’s thank you very much for your time sir, the formula i use is 1st 6 picks all power hitters having 1b, 2b, ss, filled in…then go for pitching……what do u recommend sir?

  72. kent goodman says:
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    I wasn’t sure if I missed it, but did you put the Top 500 into tiers as I saw someone mention tiers in a comment. I know you started doing it in the top 10, top 20, etc. but didn’t see it continue or is this strictly a top 500 with no tiers?

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