Today, is the day in history known as, “Aw, sookie sookie, don’t need the nookie, Grey’s giving me a fantasy baseball cookie.”  Or, more succinctly, the top 500 for 2017 fantasy baseball.  A few years ago, the top 500 was only a top 300 for fantasy baseball.  Before that, it was 16 AD and I was rolling with Jesus to this deli that had great matzoh ball soup.  In a few years from now, this is going to be a top 10,000 and I’m going to be ranking Mike Trout Jr. Jr. Jr. the 15th.  Today, in this year, seventeen after twenty, comes the top 500 for 2017 fantasy baseball.  Or as I like to call it, from Mike Trout A to chimpanzee.  Actually, I don’t call it that.  So, this post isn’t meant to send shockwaves through your system.  The pipe cleaner that the doctor uses to get the clogged wax from your ears is meant for that.  This is simply to give you an idea of where guys are ranked in relation to other positions.  I.e., you know I like Francisco Lindor better than Corey Seager, according to the top 20 shortstops, but do I like Lindor better than Joey Votto?  Okay, it’s not that simply.  You’ll notice after the top 200, positions start to get clumped together.  I might be the only fantasy baseball ‘pert to tell you this, but it doesn’t matter where, say, Eric Thames is ranked vs. Daniel Norris.  If you need a pitcher, Thames isn’t going to help you.  He can be ranked 75 spots in front of Norris and it doesn’t matter.  That’s why I have the 2017 fantasy baseball rankings broken down by positions.  If you need a 1st baseman, where Justin Bour vs. Greg Bird matters, but where Bour vs. Brian McCann is really doesn’t matter.  Also, there’s no comments about players, which you really should know prior to drafting.  In other words, Jose Bautista might be in the early 100s overall, but am I drafting him?  Well, you’d know if you read the top 40 outfielders.  There’s also a top 100 for 2017 fantasy baseball to help you.  Along shortly will be a Fantasy Baseball War Room and a pitchers pairing tool.  Anyway, here’s the top 500 for 2017 fantasy baseball:

 

 
  1. Another Dan says:
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    You sir, have just made my day at work much less productive.
    I say ‘thank you’, my boss says … well, I rarely listen anyways so I couldn’t tell you what she says. And the she never finishes her sentences, always going off topic and ‘reflecting back at you’, never succinct that lady, never short, apart from her actual height, and to the point. Not what you need first thing in the morning is it? Anyways what I wanted to say was ‘Thanks !!’

    Dan

  2. BitchesBeShoppach says:
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    Thanks as always!

  3. Packers says:
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    Thanks Grey. I hope people read your introduction first before the questions start. Have a great weekend.

  4. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!!

    This is the Magna Carta of fantasy!

    a. This is a cornucopia of unicode stuffed in the horn of a unicorn.

    b. This is what it feels like to all other senses upon seeing a beautiful rainbow!

    c. This is what the oasis would look like after 3 days and 3 nights of traveling through the hot desert!

    d. This is what the rain feels like after 3 months of dry heat in the 130F range in the Sahel region of Africa.

    Thanks a billion and have a nice weekend.

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ante GALIC: This is what it feels like when you realize Hostess now has Twinkie ice cream.

      • Ante GALIC says:
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        @Grey: Grey!!

        a. Ha! I thought you would say ‘only 3 days and 3 nights in the desert’ I can give you 20/20 and George Springer can easily give you 40/20!

        b. Downloaded ‘Manchester by the Sea’ and watched the first like 25 minutes, just before Casey Affleck is about to be shown his father’s dead body. Awesome thus far. Can’t wait to conclude later this evening.

        c. Also finished seasons 1 and 3 of Black Miror. Season 2 is moving very slowly.

        d. Line of Duty Season 1 is stuck at 44.6%, not looking good. The show’s been around for like 5 years so the file is old. Season 2 is at like 1.6%, looking decidedly worse. Still holding out hope for the weekend.

        Cheers,
        Ante

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          A. 40/20!

          B. You watch too many beginnings and not enough ‘all the way throughs’

          C. Yeah, one of the seasons was less awesome

          D. No!

          • Ante GALIC says:
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            @Grey: Grey!

            I savor them like I read my books. I never want the books I read to end because I enjoy them so much. Same for movies, plus VLC remembers where I left off so I can just continue with that movie without having to think or remember.

            Take care, man.

            Cheers,
            Ante

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              You read your books from last chapter to 1st at 4.6%?

              • Ante GALIC says:
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                @Grey: Grey!

                Haha, chapter by chapter. Not on a binge to read it in one day!

                Cheers,
                Ante

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Question, you work for Unicef or UN or same same?

                  • Ante GALIC says:
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                    @Grey: Grey!

                    UNHCR=High Commissioner for Refugees, basically same, same.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Ah, nice — you’re a good man, Ante

  5. Spot says:
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    Thanks for this enormous list, Grey.

    In my 8-team auction league, managers have the tendency to overpay for closers. Last year, the likes of Kyle Seager, Albert Pujols and Gregory Polanco went for $20 or $25, while the more or less established closers went for something between $25 and $40. For my last keeper spot, I have to decide between Anthony Rendon ($2) and Ken Giles/Seung Hwan Oh/Cody Allen ($1). Based on your ranking, this would seem to be a no-brainer. It is probably me, but I cannot make up my mind. If I would decide to go with Rendon, it would be settled at 3b (Nolan Arenado) and CI (Rendon) and it would safe me about $25. At the same time, keeping Giles/Oh/Allen would probably safe me more money. Could you please tell me what you would do?

    • Cram It says:
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      @Spot: It’s an 8-teamer, there should be plenty of closers available. Do teams hold onto 5 closers/potential closers? That said, your guys only cost $1 and Rendon is only $2 so either way you’re saving money. But if you can upgrade at CI in the auction, I’d use the money for that. On the third side, if you can’t, then take the closer $ to upgrade somewhere else. Although I don’t know how far $3 will take you. This probably wasn’t too helpful. I think it depends who is going to be available for purchase and where you’re weak going into the draft. In summation, I’d keep Rendon.

      • Sweatpants Nation says:
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        @Cram It: Agree with Cram. It’s kind of a push. Rendon saves you $25. The closers you have are at the lower end of the price closers go for. Just look at what may be available in the draft and go from there. Plus if you throw the closers back you have a shot at getting them back in an 8 teamer. It comes down to what you feel comfortable with.

    • DisEnFranchised says:
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      @Sweatpants Nation: I @Spot: I think you should punt saves or go for cheap closers if they are being inflated that much. Go after SPs with RP eligibility or setup men with good ratios and K rates. Target next in line for saves or get them when someone gets injured. Use the $ you save to load up elsewhere.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Spot: Rendon

      • Spot says:
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        @Grey: Thanks for the advice!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem!

  6. LenFuego says:
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    Great list, Grey, extremely helpful.

    I have a question about auction values. A typical league (including mine) has 12 teams with about 23 starters (14+9), for a total of 276 starters. Every player taken in the auction has a minimum price of $1, so owners need to account for at least $1 used for each of the top 276 players. But there are only 174 players with auction values of at least $1 in these rankings, and the 276th ranked player has an auction value of -$4. Do you have any advice on how to adjust the auction values to fit the parameters of my league?

    • Cram It says:
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      @LenFuego: Obviously you can’t buy a player for negative dollars. Just consider any player here valued at less than $1 to cost $1 in your draft?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @LenFuego: No problem! What Cram said… Everyone listed for negative is a dollar, but they could return negative dollars on return

      • LenFuego says:
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        @Grey:
        Thanks for the answer, but I am not sure that it is quite that easy. Doesn’t simply adjusting the 175th to 276th player values up from negative numbers to $1 inherently means that the top 174 players will have values allocated uniformly low?

        That is a concern in an auction league (or any league which uses dollar values and a salary cap), where the game is all about maximizing paid value vs actual value. If you allocate player values uniformly low, you will bail out of the bidding too early on all the great players auctioned early, and end up with a roster full of mediocre talent.

        But, that is my problem to figure out, not yours :-) You have done enough of the work for me already! Thanks again!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

          • The Darkness says:
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            @Grey:

            • The Darkness says:
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              I would assume the dollar values generated would approximate what the projected stats from each player would have been worth in previous seasons, based on how the player rater values each stat category. I would assume (hopefully not making an ass out of u and me as this is pure speculation) that valuing players in this manor has a difficult time incorporating the added value of stats provided by bench players/streamed players . The players who are streamed end up adding additional value to the player pool, which is nearly impossible to add in consideration when considering auction values. This is because the auction values are based on the roto points/stats accumulated by each team, not the roto stats accumulated by only the drafted players from each team.

              This is why it is important to consider the projected stats/$ values generated by stat projections…..but it can’t be the only thing considered. According to my thinking, the players at the end of the draft have negative value because more than likely they will not provide positive value to your team if they are slotted at a position without swapping all year (set and forget). They can in actuality provide value if used correctly though with proper roster management.

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                I hear ya

    • Blind Umps have Rights too (seriously their union is that strong) says:
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      @LenFuego: this is what i have to do every year, but it’s pretty good.
      1. find the number of rostered players total in your league.
      2. add ALL of Grey/Rudy positive values (all players over 0) together. that’s your value base
      3. divide the value base by total number of players that will be owned post draft in your league. this number is the gap between say the best player and the next best (or next worst).
      4. start at the lowest ranked player in Grey/Rudy whoever’s list that you are using, that player is $1. the next best player is the number obtained by #3 added to $1. the next best player is that same number better than the 2nd guy, and so on.

      the assumption being that each pick is worth the same amount more than the player just below, and is worth that much less than the player just above. this isn’t perfect of course, but is a simple way to approximate values. you can tweak certain players of course. Rudy would have a better way to do this with better math. what i’m doing works much better in snake drafts than auctions, as in auctions players often will be tiered, so 4 guys might be “worth” $14 instead of 13.76, 13.92, 14.08, 14.24 etc, and they could be jumps in price here and there.

  7. toneDEAF! says:
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    DESMOND JENNINGS TO THE REDS!!! Career resurgence! Yeaaaaa…

      • Clogged Rosterman says:
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        @Grey:

        MRSA?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Make Reds Sreat Again —

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Obviously! (I typo’d)

  8. Sweatpants Nation says:
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    Great post. And perfect timing for the weekend. Such planning skills. Looking forward to next week’s pitching combo post.
    Have a great weekend.

  9. Me says:
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    Thanks Grey!

    Who are the players you can see finishing as the #1 fantasy player this year?

    For me, I’d be surprised if it’s not one of these 5 players:

    1. Trout
    2. Betts
    3. Altuve
    4. Harper
    5. Turner

    • Grey

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      @Me: Machado, Bryant, Goldy

    • PEDs3 says:
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      @Me: Not Turner. Even if he goes 20-60 (total upside) he still likely won’t finish #1 overall. Keep in mind, Villar did that last year and wasn’t #1 overall.

  10. Rufus Xavier Sasparilla says:
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    Orz

  11. Test Kitchen says:
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    Grey,

    Do weekly lineup leagues change your philosophy on pitching at all? Since you have to commit to a guy, and a lineup spot, for a week, you obviously have less flexibility to stream.

    Can you still follow your general pitching philosophy in a weekly lineup league or do top Starters get a small boost in value since, theoretically, they are more “dependable”?

    Thanks

    • DisEnFranchised says:
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      @Test Kitchen: I would stick with Grey’s plan. Starting pitchers have a 2 start week every 5th week; so stream 1-2 2 start pitchers per week or as needed.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Test Kitchen: Unless the league is crazy deep, it doesn’t change

      • Test Kitchen says:
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        @Grey: Cool, thanks Grey

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  12. Dave says:
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    You know that Seinfeld episode where Jerry won’t tell George how much he paid for his fancy new blazer?

    Much like that I just wanted to say I traded for Trea Turner in my Dynasty and I DO NOT want to talk about what I paid! So stop asking!

    OK it was a little more than Scherzer, but I can’t say anything else.

    OK it was Scherzer plus a top 100 player.

    OK top 50.

    Maybe top 2o in some rankings….

    But that’s ALL I’m telling you so stop asking!

    • Grey

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      @Dave: How much?

      • Dave says:
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        @Grey: I just…. can’t….

        But you sir are partly to blame because I drank a few too many potent IPAs listening to the top2o podcast and then the liquid courage was all like ” fuck it I’m gonna offer Scherzer and Starling Marte for Trea Turner and Verlander!!”

        So I did. And he accepted.

        But seriously I’m not telling you anything else

        • Grey

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          Haha

        • Blind Umps have Rights too (seriously their union is that strong) says:
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          @Dave: if you got verlander back it’s not really “i paid scherzer + another top 20 player for treat urner”

  13. Noam says:
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    In a dynasty Grey, would you trade Familia and a 4th rd pick (prospect draft) for Devon Travis?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Noam: Yeah

  14. Dodger Rabbit says:
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    Stats for Cam Bedrosian (#243) look missing…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Dodger Rabbit: Must’ve been a error transferring, will fix

  15. Hoosier Daddy says:
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    FYI….looks like projections for DH players were omitted

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Hoosier Daddy: Must’ve been a error transferring, will fix

  16. danny almonte says:
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    In a svhld league, would Miller get bumped up to the Chapman/Kenly/Britton tier?

  17. ElBoss says:
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    You have drafted 2 pitchers and 2 outfielders, are you still taking Billy Hamilton over Mccullers? I feel like Hamilton is gonna take it to the next level this year is there any reason for concern with him?