I just went over the top 10 for 2013 fantasy baseball and the top 20 for 2013 fantasy baseball.  Most of you know how I feel about catchers.  If you draft a catcher any time before the first 100 picks, you don’t know how I feel about catchers.  Let me freshen up your cocktail with a splash of insight.  I don’t draft top catchers in one catcher leagues.  I Reggie Roby them.  Molina, Pierzynski, Wilin Rosario were all in the top 5 for catchers last year.  Their average draft pick was around 250 overall last year.  The bottom of the top 20 for last year consisted of Napoli, McCann and Jesus Montero.  Their average draft slot was around 70.  It’s like this every year.  In 2011, Napoli and Avila were ranked second and third at the end of the year with Wieters and Posey disappointing, going into the year it was nothing like that.  Catchers are unreliable to stay healthy; the job is grueling and takes its toll on offensive stats.  Then, there’s not much difference between, say, the fifth best catcher and nothingness.  Wilin Rosario was the fifth best catcher last year.  As late as July of last year, he could’ve been picked up off waivers in some leagues.  Finally, the best catcher last year and the NL MVP was the 27th best player according to our Fantasy Baseball Player Rater.  That’s the best year you can hope from him and he was still only ranked 27th overall.  You’re paying a premium for a catcher, who would be the 8th best outfielder.  The third best 2nd baseman.  The fifth best first baseman.  The fifth best 3rd baseman.  Only shortstops were worst, and I say punt them too.  Yes, I am saying punt the positions that are most scarce.  Because I ignore the top catchers doesn’t mean I’m starting the top 20 catcher list at number twenty-two (John Jaso?  Belch.); some of you might want to know the top catchers.  You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them draft Alex Avila.  In two catcher leagues, catchers are a little more valuable, but I’d still prefer to avoid them.  You can see other top 20 lists for 2013 fantasy baseball under 2013 fantasy baseball rankings.  Listed along with these catchers are my 2013 projections for each player and where the tiers begin and end.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 catchers for 2013 fantasy baseball:

1. Buster Posey – This is the first tier.  This tier goes from here until Mauer.  I call this tier, “These are the best.  Well, la di da.”  That tier name is also a Jewel poem title.  I went over Posey in the top 20 for 2013 fantasy baseball.

2. Carlos Santana – I considered putting Santana third and Wieters here, then I thought about how you shouldn’t draft either so whatever, but then I thought even if I’m telling you not to draft them I should still rank them correctly, then I took a nap, then I woke up and thought about how kitchen appliances haven’t changed much since the invention of the microwave — weren’t we supposed to get hydrators by now?  Then I remembered I was ranking catchers and put Santana here.  He made solid gains in his strikeout rate.  His fly balls were down a bit (literally), but his line drives bounced back (not literally; that would be dangerous).  He should’ve been better last year = He should be better this year.  Wieters or Santana or both are going to have their best seasons to date as they enter their prime.  It’s all very exciting, wake me when I get to a tier I can draft from.  2013 Projections:  79/26/94/.259/3

3. Matt Wieters – Watching the transformation of Wieters from top prospect to top catcher is like watching a slow motion video of a flower blooming.  Hey, here comes the pistil!  *seven months later*  I think that’s a petal!  It’ll be beautiful one day, but, man, this is taking forever.  2013 Projections:  71/24/85/.264/2

4. Joe Mauer – I have him lower than most other fantasy baseball ‘perts because I can’t understand why anyone would draft a catcher as high as Mauer’s going when he’s a 10-ish homer, 7-ish steal guy.  As far as I’m concerned, I’m not down on Mauer.  Everyone else is, in the sexual way.   He plays in a terrible park, his lineup looks it was ravaged by West Nile virus and he hits ground balls like he’s a middle infielder.  Only five players had a worse fly ball percentage last year:  Ben Revere, Jeter, Jamey Carroll, Howie Kendrick and Elvis Andrus.  A lack-of-power hitters after him on the list continues:  Alcides, Michael Young, Denard Dawg, Ichiro, Bourn… Does this sound like a group of hitters you want a player associated with if they have only 10 steal upside?  The short answer is no.  The long answer is nooooooooooo.  2013 Projections:  83/13/89/.315/7

5. Salvador Perez – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Napoli.  I call this tier, “I’ll draft these guys if they fall to the right spot.”  By the tier name, I mean I’m definitely punting only the top tier of catchers, but — and this is a J. Lo-sized but — I’m also not reaching for any of these guys.  They’d have to fall a few rounds past their average draft spot.  As much as I like this tier, I’d also gladly wait until the last rounds for a catcher.  In 76 games (289 ABs), he hit 11 homers and .301, missing the rest of the time due to a meniscus tear in Spring Training.  At a Latin 22 years old, Perez’s 2012 76-game showcase should be seen merely as the tip of the iceberg, right ahead!  Out of 28 catchers that had at least 300 plate appearances, Perez was number one for strikeout rate.  He was beyond excellent with an under 9% strikeout rate.  This alone would lead me to believe there’s no way he hits below .285 without some hideous luck and there’s a chance he hits something like .320.  He doesn’t walk at all, but I’m willing to give him a slight bye here because his contact rate is so strong.  As the guy who smelled like Schlitz in Little League told you, put the ball into play and good things happen.   The best real world example is Yadier “Don’t Call Me Alfred” Molina.  I worry Perez won’t hit power for a few years, but he could develop it.  11 homers last year makes me think (or methinks, if leprechauns are reading) the power is developing.  He’s not going to come at the end of your drafts, but he should outperform his draft slot.  2013 Projections:  62/19/79/.312

6. Victor Martinez – I’m surprised by the general consensus I’ve seen with drafting Victor Martinez.  So, surprised I almost wrote a sleeper post for him, but what a snoozefest that would be.  Also, I was so surprised about his average draft position that I looked at his fielding statistics twice to make sure he has catcher eligibility.  He is.  Damn, I just looked a third time.  I also looked at his most recent news to make sure I didn’t miss something about him not being ready for 2013.  He’ll be ready.  The last season he played, he was the number one catcher for fantasy.  He’s 34 years old now and coming off a lost season.  That’s not great, but he’ll also be DH’ing this year.  All he has to do is hit, which he’s done every season since 2004.  I have a strong feeling I’m going to be owning V-Mart this year.  2013 Projections:  82/15/105/.307

7. Wilin Rosario – I nearly dropped Wilin more because I have a sick feeling that Wilin is headed for a sophomore slump, though that could be the Thai I just ate.  The reason why he’s in this tier that I like?  I have one word for you:  plastics!  Wait, that’s my wrong note card.  Coors, that’s the reason.  He could hit 25 homers there with nothing else and be worth the draft pick.  2013 Projections:  58/25/75/.252/3

8. Jesus Montero – I sure pray Jesus doesn’t have a sophomore slump, which makes me think of a potential comedy.  A newly resurrected Jesus just doesn’t have his mojo from 30 AD.  “I turned water into wine, but now everyone wants a microbrew.”  In the right hands, that could be hilarious.  In the wrong hands, that could be a YouTube video that is being investigated by the CIA.  Montero’s first half was a mess (.245, 28 RBIs, 8 homers) and his 2nd half wasn’t spectacular but better (.278, 34 RBIs, 7 homers in 30 less at-bats).  He won’t be anything worth getting crazy excited about until he can fix his lefty/righty splits.  Last year, he hit .228 vs. righties.  Belch.  The one thing that helps parachute his miserableness vs. righties is he DHs a decent amount, adding to his counting stats.  2013 Projections:  66/18/84/.269

9. Mike Napoli – I stepped away from the Napoli hype machine last year when he was being drafted in the top 70.  There was no way he was hitting for a good average again.  I will now put that sentiment to bed.  That Sentiment, “Wait, could you read me one more story about how you still like Longoria even though he sucked for the last two years?”  Now there’s major question marks about Napoli’s hip and people are saying it could go at any moment or in five years.  For the right price, I’ll take the 25 homer potential with the risk that his hip will be fine this year.  2013 Projections:  64/23/77/.242/2

10. Jonathan Lucroy – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until McCann.  I call this tier, “Five Shades of Grey.” What I mean by the tier name is the five players in this tier go from “I kinda like them” to “I kinda hate them” with shades of like and hate differentiating them with the middle guy leaving me indifferent.  Lucroy was a beast vs. the Cubs (4 homers, 20 RBIs, .350 average in 40 ABs).  Against everyone else he was pretty mediocre.  I kinda like (see?) Lucroy because he was the 11th best catcher season last year and he missed almost two months.  At 26 years old, there’s a chance for some upside here.  2013 Projections: 61/16/76/.272

11. Miguel Montero – I kinda like (see again?!) Montero a little less than Lucroy (man, these rankings are making sense now!).  Montero looks completely capable of repeating his 2012 season (15 homers, .286), but under the surface there’s some issues.  His strikeout rate ballooned to 22.7% and he had a .362 BABIP.  He could have easily hit .260 or worse last year.  That would hurt his counting stats, which is propping up his perceived value.  2013 Projections:  59/16/76/.270

12. Yadier Molina – Here’s indifference.  Molina was the second best catcher last year, but I have him 12th?! What gives, Grey-mo-sabi?  Well, Random Italicized Voice, that’s a good question.  Yeah, no kidding.  That’s why I asked.  Now stop with the preambles and give me some info.  Okay, so Molina had a sub-10 HR/FB% coming into last year.  Then in 2012 it was 13.8%.  It’s been steadily climbing, but so is his age.  A career year at thirty years old is improbable.  A year when he hit more homers than his previous two seasons combined is silly.  I’m not into silly.  His steals last year were the two previous years combined, too.  That’s ludicrous.  I’m not into ludicrous, though Word of Mouf was a decent album.  Maybe Molina found the fountain of youth, maybe he’s Benjamin Button.  Whatever the case, I’m not buying in.  2013 Projections:  58/13/68/.295/6

13. A.J. Pierzynski – You know how the day after every fantasy draft you go to a t-shirt printing shop to have your team’s jersey made with every player’s last name?  I’d hold off on adding Pierzynski’s, and not simply because the place charges per letter.  I don’t buy that Texas is gonna stave off him reverting to what he was every year, except last.  2013 Projections:  51/15/60/.265

14. Brian McCann –  I’ve been a McCann apologist for a few years now.  Or if McCann reads Razzball, then I’m an enabler.  I’m officially done with him.  Not because I don’t think he’s a capable hitter (there I go apologizing for him again), but he had shoulder surgery that will cause him to miss the first couple of weeks of the season.  A couple of weeks isn’t a huge deal.  When I was a teenager, I once had an erection for a few weeks straight and that wasn’t a big deal.  Sideways emoticon.  I’m not drinking any f**king Merlot!  Shoulder problems can linger for a hitter.  I wouldn’t go near McCann this year.  2013 Projections:  40/12/57/.242

15. Alex Avila – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Arencibia.  I call this tier, “You’ve punted the position almost completely, now what?”  As I say in the next tier’s name, there’s a good chance you don’t have any of these guys for longer than a week or until someone emerges from waivers.  Can Avila revert to his value post-2011 when he looked headed for 20+ homers, .300+?  I have no clue, but he’s worth a flyer to find out.  Even if he just splits the difference between his terrific 2011 and miserable 2012, he’ll be terrable, which would make Charles Barkley happy. 2013 Projections: 48/16/60/.262/2

16. J.P. Arencibia – Before anyone comments that this tier’s projections look better than, say, McCann but are lower than him.  I’ll say this tier’s projections look good but there’s a lot of risk involved with them.  More than even McCann.  If you draft Arencibia, he will hit 30 homers and .255 on your team or 2 homers and .056.  I’ll explain.  You draft him and he’s hot in April.  You actually hold onto him because he never cools off, so he gets 30 homers on your team.  Or you draft him, suffer through a 2-for-36 stretch with his only two hits being homers and you drop him.  There was also a J.P. Arencibia sleeper post.  2013 Projections: 45/21/73/.237/1

17. Ryan Doumit – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Iannetta.  I call this tier, “Draft these guys so you can drop them the first week of the season for the hot catcher off of waivers.”  Here’s you, “Yo, Grey, you sexy beast, question:  should I drop Doumit for John Jaso?”  Me, “The season hasn’t started yet.”  “I know, Holmes, I ain’t a complete moron.”  “You drafted Doumit and you want to drop him already.”  “I see your point.  How about dropping Doumit for A.J. Ellis?”  2013 Projections: 44/15/62/.268

18. Jarrod Saltalamacchia – Salty’s the kind of guy I would normally like, but the Red Sox might have Napoli, David Ross and a lurking Ryan Lavarnway.  Salty better throw his little brother over his shoulder for some good luck, otherwise he’s looking at a huge decrease in playing time, especially with his contact rates.   2013 Projections:  38/17/53/.217

19. A.J. Ellis – No relation to Doc Ellis, but you might be on LSD if you draft him.  2013 Projections:  45/9/51/.264

20. Russell Martin – He agreed to a two-year deal this offseason with the Pirates after he heard the one city Alyssa Milano would never visit is Pittsburgh.  2013 Projections: 44/14/58/.239/5

21. Chris Iannetta – The good news for Iannetta last year is he figured out early on that if you want to catch games for Scioscia, you can’t be good offensively.  That’s the bad news too.  2013 Projections:  40/15/53/.246/1

After the top 20 catchers for 2013 fantasy baseball there’s a lot of names, but these five stand out:

Derek Norris – Loud Voice, “He could hit 15 homers and steal 10 bases!”  Quiet Voice, “And hit .190.”  2013 Projections: 42/13/60/.205/7

Tyler Flowers – Last year in 153 plate appearances, he had a 36.6 % strikeout rate.  If he qualified for the batting title, that would’ve been the worst strikeout rate of any hitter since 1900 when “No-Eyes” Buck Winston struckout 587 times in 588 at-bats.  Though, the record was removed from the books the next year when baseball began to require eyes.  Ironically, his one hit was a seeing-eye single up the middle.  2013 Projections:  40/14/52/.200/3

Carlos Ruiz – Suspended for the first twenty-five games of 2013 due to testing positive for ADD medicine, Adderall.  Ruiz said, “I’m truly sorry for what I’ve done–Hey, what’s that?  A number two pencil?  I used to use those for standardized tests in Panama.  Like I was saying, this suspension is a disgrace to me, my family and– Are those shoes comfortable?  I get bunions.  One time, I got this bunion and I drew a face on it and called it, “Billy.”  Billy stayed with me for three years.  He’d keep me up at night, talking my ear off.  So annoying.  Like Gleek, the Wonder Twins monkey sidekick.  What were we talking about again?”  Hmm, maybe Ruiz needed that Adderall, after all. 2013 Projections:  44/9/53/.274/3

Yasmani Grandal – Suspended for the first 50 games of the season due to testing positive for testosterone.  Experts have said testosterone adds as much as eight to ten feet on long drives.  In related news, Padres announced they are moving in their fences eight to ten feet.  2013 Projections:  32/10/48/.292

Travis d’Arnaud – I went over my Travis d’Arnaud 2013 fantasy.  I wrote it while wondering if his full name is Travis doode’Arnaud.  2013 Projections:  40/16/56/.283/3 in 375 ABs

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Simply Fred
simply fred
9 years ago

Grey, will the one-year extra 8 mill in incentives motivate Napoli to stay in the lineup and produce? i.e. any change in projections?

Simply Fred
simply fred
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: Thank you.

Peter
Peter
9 years ago

No questioning your wisdom, hoever, I am looking at 3 potential closers. Is your reluctance to feeeze a closer b/c no job is safe? Or, something else?

Thanks.

Peter
Peter
9 years ago

15 Team Mixed, 5×5, $260 Auction. I have the option of keeping 3 of the following (all players have $0 to credit against the $260 auction $).

Who would you freeze from the following:

1). R. Soriano;
2). G. Perkins
3). J. Rutledge;
4). W. Rosario;
5). S. Marte;
6). R. Davis;
7). M. Carpenter (St. Louis)
8). R. Madsen; &
9). J. Blanton.

Soriano’s injury history has me spooked to save Rutledge. Perkins & Rosario.

Thanks.

Mikeinmiami
Mikeinmiami
9 years ago

I can keep Hart or Montero in a 13 team roto keeper. I would need to draft the position I don’t keep. According ot your rankings, both are draftable positions. Who do you keep?

Raftman
Raftman
9 years ago

Thoughts on Devin Mesoraco?

Raftman
Raftman
Reply to  Raftman
9 years ago

@Raftman: And how do I get my avatar from the forums onto my comments on the posts?

MarkC
MarkC
9 years ago

Not a catcher question, but, Desmond Jennings vs Profar for a late round keeper? I can keep one or the the other long term only giving a late rd draft pick.. I guess my question is, who is the better long term prospect? I know Jennings will probably be better next year, but is Profar worth keeping now to maintain a last rd keeper in years to come?

Cole
Cole
9 years ago

Remember that Morrow guy? whatever happened to that guy? Hrm. Post hype sleeper maybe?

Cole
Cole
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: Haven’t seen him inside the top 30 anywhere. I guess the k-rate drop chilled everyone’s upside boners. i thought he became a much better pitcher last year.

t moore
9 years ago

Mr. Gray… Excuse my tardiness, here at this late hour… Just saw the Jaso pickup for Oakland… I bet he knocks Norris out of the box ( who demonstrated severe throwing issues in the playoffs and before during the season)

I do think they hurt each other for fantasy purposes… A bad fantasy situation

Your list is courageous … As is anyone’s rankings of the catchers this year… It is harder than it usually is… After Posey, it is a crap shoot to see who stands out or bounces back…

Do like Mauer thought.. We do not agree there.. That BA and everyday play is great in all formats … Depending on where you get of course… He is too sexy … Besides, Twinkee fans are yet snowed in or just digging out come late March early April drafts – so, they are not thinking right normanlly… And they do seem to populate leagues at an inordinately high rate too… Those Scandoid James Brown homer hankies at drafts everywhere – have to go …

I’m with you on waiting given this mob…

Lucroy is a target guy for me in 12 team leagues in the late late teens.. If there Hope he stays healthy so we can see what he really can do – with ya there …

I’m a bit upset with you having spilled the beans on Perez and ranking him so high… I was hoping, he was going to QTed this hotstove season….. BUT, NO!!!! Now, he will be ranked higher and higher as you fellow internet touters scamble to copy you in everything per usual – once The Great Gray has spoken… Bummer!!!

t moore
Reply to  t moore
9 years ago

@t moore: Having trouble with your site tonight…
The template here too -typing and the like (not this time)… Loading the site is a problem… Grinding my puter down..

Other sites are not a problem for me puter – so it seems it is your site … Just a heads up..

Thanks and keep the up the good work

Eddy
Eddy
9 years ago

Grey,

Ever been a board game type of guy?

MrBaseball
MrBaseball
9 years ago

Jon Paul Morosi reports that the Mariners have acquired Michael Morse in a three-team deal that – I own Michaek Morse in dynasty league – is this a good thing or bad thing for me – maybe you can put some numbers together here man

Steve
Steve
9 years ago

Mariners close to a deal with Morse (it says here)…

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: Might not help Kendrys’ value either. Sky must have jinxed him…

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: The Mariners, Nationals and Athletics have combined on a three-team trade that will send Michael Morse to the Mariners, John Jaso to the A’s and right-hander A.J. Cole to the Nats, Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post reports.

I may have cut and paste this from somewhere else on the internet.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Steve
9 years ago

@Steve: WTF? This trade sends Morse AND Cole back to whence they came.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: It’s like getting back with that ex-girlfriend because you didn’t want anyone else to have her.

On that basis, I can’t see this trade working out (emoticon).

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: Or those guys you saw her with when you were hiding in that car across the street.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: Jaso to the A’s. Anything to see here? Was decent in patches last year…

Jon
Jon
9 years ago

This is a SS question and I might have a better idea of what to do after I see your SS rankings, but I’m going to ask it now anyway. I have Tulo as a $30 keeper and Desmond in my MI spot for $10. Neither of those are great prices but I can afford them. I’m planning to target Segura and Simmons as a bench player/backup plan in case Tulo gets injured again, which he will. In fact, if Tulo starts off strong I might look to deal him right away and then roll the dice with Desmond and either Segura or Simmons, depending on who I’m able to draft. Or maybe I’ll draft both and try to trade Tulo AND Desmond, since others probably value them both more than I do. Last year I could have dealt Tulo early on for Adam Jones and Ian Desmond but I turned it down (I ended up dealing for Desmond later on in the season to fill my Tulo hole).

There’s no real question in there, just the ramblings of a mad man, but what do you think of my (tentative) plan? Am I over-thinking it? Should I just be happy to be keeping two SSs who will probably be in your top 5?

Jon
Jon
9 years ago

I might see if I can deal Posey for a 1st-round pick… I can keep him for $15 which is fine, but I’m positive I could get either VMart or Salvy in our draft… only wrinkle is that Victor doesn’t have C eligibility to start the year (CBS). How long do you think it’ll take him to get 5 games caught?

Terrence Mann
Terrence Mann
9 years ago

I think I read cbs isn’t giving VMart catcher eligibility. Not sure about masters or other pay sites.

Terrence Mann
Terrence Mann
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: sucks. I wanted to play in cbs leagues because they give you 20% off for multiple teams.

Terrence Mann
Terrence Mann
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: 20% off money leagues that payout.

Jon
Jon
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: No C eligibility for VMart in my CBS league…

Carlos
Carlos
9 years ago

fyi, vmart isn’t catcher eligible in cbs leagues

EDUB
EDUB
9 years ago

Geez now I have a really tough decision about whether to keep my $1 Sally P. Would you keep him over an $8 Crawford or a $1 Bundy in a 5×5 mixed keeper? $5 more a year to extend.

Also, $13 Andrus or $5 A Escobar?

EDUB
EDUB
Reply to  EDUB
9 years ago

We start 1C

Todd25
Todd25
9 years ago

@Grey I’m feeling the Perez / VMart train too this year, where would you say “expected” or ADP for those 2 would be at this point and where would you start looking their way, throwing them a wink, and sending over a cocktail to invite them over to your place. wait what? no, that sounds about right.

Seano
Seano
9 years ago

Who needs catchers? Won my AL only league with 2 $1 catchers John Jaso and Josh Donaldson, put the money into getting Miguel Cabrera. Plan to keep Jaso for $1 wish Donaldson still qualified at catcher I’d keep him too!

royce!
royce!
9 years ago

I just realized that I owned 10 of these guys in one league last year…I am just going to assume that each time I dropped one, I asked your opinion…I apologize now for such nonsense.

royce!
royce!
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: Ha? Are you insinuating that 10 of these C are turds? Is the emoticon eating crap? I’m befuddled.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: @royce!: You guys are gross. Some of us are trying to decide what to have for lunch.

MattTruss223
MattTruss223
9 years ago

Just realized from your “Top 20” post that you’ll be doing a top 400 this year! That’s baller, it was only 300 last year if I recall. Plus upping the pitchers and OFs from 40 to 100. I heart you Grey!

Jon
Jon
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: I second this, Grey. As the Karate Kid soundtrack said and Adam LaRoche used as his walk-up music in Pittsburgh, you’re the best around.

royce!
royce!
Reply to  Jon
9 years ago

@Jon: That’s funny, Andy Laroche used to also use that as his at bat music. Wonder what the story is there…

MattTruss223
MattTruss223
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

Really? Dang, figured people would’ve been all over that.

I’m already preparing my even BIGGER Excel spreadsheet, gotta get my baseball nerd on. Love this time of year!

I also checked out VinWins data you linked in one of those posts, holy cow! I had no idea he posted all those nuggets. Goodbye workplace productivity for the rest of the day!

Razzball is the shit, hats off to you sirs.

MattTruss223
MattTruss223
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

Say WHA!

My Excel spreadsheet is like my binkie, I am VERY curious what’s on tap…

Chris
Chris
9 years ago

Grey, looking at your projections, shouldn’t your first tier go from Posey to Posey? Seems like there’s Posey, then everybody else.

Paddyman
Paddyman
9 years ago

I think 10-11th round is where you gotta start thinking about catcher. Wieters, posey are kept in my league. Went w Jmontero last year. Yawn. Plus many strikeouts. Gonna go for a guy who’ll give average at least and get the counting stats. Though V Mart is enticing, I can’t believe he’ll stay healthy. Rosario I’ll skip. Molina may be 12th but I’d be delighted w him.

Big Magoo
Big Magoo
9 years ago

Oh Grey, you’re such a tease – top 10, top 20, and then… catchers? It’s like opening up your very first Red Ryder bb gun on Christmas morning and then opening up colored socks immediately after. Give me Perez or LuCroy or even J. Montero or Doumit and let’s call it a day.

Big Magoo
Big Magoo
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: But that’s only when Aunt Clara visits. Fudge!

Big Magoo
Big Magoo
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: Be a pal and get second and short out of the way next. I can’t take this roller coaster anymore. Give us the Wieters-like slow build.

Big Magoo
Big Magoo
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: That’s how I like it. I can appreciate the Hollywood way of promoting a blockbuster movie though – release the trailer first (with teases of the most exciting scenes/ funny one-liners) then start it off with a bang, followed by establishing the plot (sometimes in a deliberate, methodical manner) until you eventually reach the climax. Top 10 (trailer), top 20 (big opening), catchers (plot development), etc. Hollywood Grey!

BigPoppa
BigPoppa
9 years ago

I don’t quite get your logic Grey. Seems to me if you can pickup great offensive production from a week position, that is the way to go. Last year I had Buster Posey, and he crushed it obviously. My point is there is significantly more depth in a position like OF, so if I can get great production out of my C, then I have a huge advantage over my competitors whom get almost nil out of the C. Thats my take…

Simply Fred
simply fred
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: Hope I can make this clear.
The highest return at C last year was Posey at player-rater ranked #27. If one ‘punted’ to the 13th productive C, it would have been Saltalamacchia at #262, a net loss of -235.

If one punted OF, the 61st OF was Maybin (5 OF for 12 teams already gone), at #309 on the player-rater list. Trout was #1. A net loss of -308. Some may have the ‘perception’ that there are a plethora of OF available. Think this puts that into perspective.

Taking into account 12 1B, 12 3B, and 12 CI slots, 20 1B and 16 3B would have been drafted before Pacheco at 289; similar with MI. Summary, if punting:
OF loses a net -308
3B loses a net -298 (Miggy at 3, – Frazier at 301)
1B loses a net -286 (Miggy at 3, – Pacheco at 289)
2B loses a net -284
SS loses a net -270
C loses a net -235

Simply Fred
simply fred
Reply to  simply fred
9 years ago

@simply fred: Thanks Vin for providing the numbers!

Simply Fred
simply fred
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: Yeah, that’s how to interpret the numbers–punt OF, hang on to C. Deep incite.

KInda thought I’d dig into the numbers to validate that, yes, it is a good idea to punt catcher.

Simply Fred
simply fred
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: You are Eee-Zee! Numbers sacred. Never lie.
Choo 4 HR in 24 AB at Great American. In 300 AB for 2013 that gives him 50 at home. Just need you to fill in the away HR.___
If you get it right, I’ll spread the word about you being easy.
(just having a little fun with you…:-))

Simply Fred
simply fred
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: well-played!

TheNewGuy
TheNewGuy
9 years ago

Wow just logged on and theres 3 rankings posts already waiting for me, christmas has come early! Great work, funny and informative (even if a few jokes are kinda gross!).

Think im gonna be in on Napoli and V-Mart and maybe Jesus in my OBP league, and Sal Perez in my other.

Interested to see if other ‘pert (anyone read that as perv first time you saw it?) sites buy in on career years from Yadi and Encarnacion, totally agree on your reasoning though, last year was much too big a jump from guys nearing their 30s. How are their MDC rankings looking?

Matt
Matt
9 years ago

I’m in a pickle in terms of keepers, and Rosario is one of the candidates. I too am worried about a regression. Any thoughts on which 4 you keep on this list? NL only, draft budget is $200 ($6 is minimum), 21 roster spots. Ramirez is likely out.

Rosario = $6
Rizzo = $6
H. Ramirez = $22
Desmond = $6
Kemp = $18
Medlen = $6

Matt
Matt
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

Thanks. Is the same group I was leaning towards.

Tom
Tom
9 years ago

Would it be smart to pick up Travis d’arnuad 20th round or later?

Wallpaper Paterson
Wallpaper Paterson
Reply to  Tom
9 years ago

@Tom: Later if you want. Definitely not before the 20th round. I am a Mets fan and knowing this team well, I don’t expect d’Arnaud up before Memorial Day.

Obmij76
Obmij76
9 years ago

@grey : completely agree with your rankings here. Was almost surprised by the McCann pick until I read your reasoning. Quick keeper question. Have to choose 4. Who to keep?
Brandon Belt – 14th Rd Keeper
Brandon Morrow – 5th Rd Keeper
Craig Kimbrel – 22nd Rd Keeper
Mat Latos – 9th Rd Keeper
Jon Lester – 3rd Rd Keeper
Jeff Samardzija – 10th Rd Keeper

12 Team H2H – Long Term Keeper League
BA, R, AVG, SB, BB, HR, RBI, TB
ERA, WHIP, K, QS, IP, K, SV, L — Min. 40 IP

Obmij76
Obmij76
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: Thanks Grey. We get a total of 8 plus 2 rookies. My rookies are Shelby Miller and Wil Myers. Other 4 keepers are Bryce Harper, Prince Fielder, Hanley and Desmond Jennings.

Obmij76
Obmij76
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: Hey Grey, was offered a trade: J. Bruce, A. Gonz, J. Weaver,24th rd pick for B. Harper, Prince and a 5th rd pick. Thoughts?

Randall
Randall
9 years ago

“thought about how kitchen appliances haven’t changed much since the invention of the microwave”

My warming drawer disagrees.

Bombo Rivera
Bombo Rivera
9 years ago

This post makes me sad. Not because I disagree with you. . . I too hate catchers. It makes me sad because two of my best keeper options value-wise are Mauer ($15) and CSantana ($13). The only thing that makes me feel a little better is that it’s a two-catcher league with OBP instead of average. Since both guys tend to stay in the lineup at 1B or DH, they could rack up a bunch of high OBP plate appearances which would allow me to roster some lower OBP guys at other positions.

OK, I don’t feel that much better. Still might throw one or both back.

OaktownSteve
OaktownSteve
9 years ago

Ugh. Catchers. If I had to guess I’d say I’ll own Avila. I heard his dad on the radio once, he’s an ex-player and I think an exec with the Tigers and he said “Alex can hit”. It’s as good as anything I’ve got.

On the kitchen appliance front, The Jetsons had a thing called the “food-a-rack-a-cycle”. Jane pushed a button and a plate of steak an potatoes would pop out. Then she would complain about having to cook. Then their robot maid Rosie would clean up. Where’s my flying car?

The guarantee
The guarantee
Reply to  Grey
9 years ago

@Grey: got a friend that did some work in the tigers farm system. He basically had the same report on Alex prior to 2011 “kids going to be a pretty solid hitter”

Steve
Steve
Reply to  OaktownSteve
9 years ago

@OaktownSteve: Thanks for the input. After each annual ridiculous loss in the playoffs, I swear I’m going to quit the stupid league, but I can’t give the damn thing up.

jrf1009
jrf1009
9 years ago

Wilson Ramos. Persona non grata?

Slider
Slider
Reply to  jrf1009
9 years ago

@jrf1009: Right? They say he won’t be the starting catcher to start the season, but it wont be long before Kurt Suzuki reminds his manager that he blows tootsie pops. Ramos should be starting the lion’s share of games by late April and hopefully his bees-knees hold up the rest of the year.

Ryan
Ryan
Reply to  jrf1009
9 years ago

I agree. Rotoworld says he is on pace to be ready for Spring training, but Suzuki looks to be the opening starter. After, saaayy, mid-May who do you like better between the two and do you see any chance either of them slips into the top-15?

bossmanjunior
bossmanjunior
9 years ago

I am going to be all over Salvador Perez this year for numerous reasons. Out of context, he carried my team to a championship down the stretch. Real world related, he plays almost every day and hits in the middle of a solid order so the counting stays should be above average. Secondly,that contact rate almost ensures he maintains a high batting average. Turdly (Charles Barkley vernacular strikes again!), everything points to a player capable of hitting for power. At 6’3, Perez is big strapping lad and only 4 of his 11 home runs were classified as “just enough.” He absolutely kills lhp 1.100 opaque but maintains an above average approach versus same hand pitchers with a .711 ops and 10% k-rate. I see a durable, high contact hitter with plus power potential next year and is one of my top sleeps that I will have on every team.

JT
JT
Reply to  bossmanjunior
9 years ago

@bossmanjunior: Samesies. I’m in a keeper and thinking he’ll be my first pick in the re-draft…hoping his solid average will help offset my irrational ownership/mancrush of Jay Bruce.