This happened during the holiday season in my house:  Me, “Do you know what not winning the Cy Young did to your mother?  I don’t care, personally, if you throw your life away being an ace while never bringing home the postseason hardware, but your mother, she told all of her friends at her Wally Lamb book club for three straight months that you were going to win the Cy Young.  She even made me go to Costco, on a Sunday during their busiest time, and buy burgers and buns for a Sonny Gray Cy Young party.  Then you only receive one 2nd place vote and no first place votes.  I’m disappointed, and you giving your mother and I Billy Butler BBQ sauce for Christmas doesn’t really make up for it.”  Sonny, “Sorry, Pops.”  “Did you even buy this or did you get it free?”  I then threw Billy Butler’s BBQ into the fireplace and screamed, “Did you?!”  It was an ugly scene.  He’s my boy, Sonny Gray, and I love him very much, but it’s time we look at him through a non-familial gaze.  Last year, he had a 2.73 ERA and 1.08 WHIP in 208 IP while breaking out as a number one fantasy starter.  Or did he?!  Ah, Reversal Question, you are quick…Or are you?!  I am!…Or am I?!  Anyway, what can we expect from Sonny Gray for 2016 fantasy baseball and what makes him overrated?

Right from the jump, I can say he’s overrated because of how goofy high people are ranking him.  He’s in the top 60 overall for almost everyone and a top 15 starter for some ‘perts.  Man, I wish I could’ve seen how people ranked Brady Anderson that one year after he hit 50 homers.  I, of course, was only five years old in the 1990s (during the whole decade) because I’m barely a millennial, but people sure do overrate the previous year.  What’s weird (not weird) I swear to Allah or whoever you stop three times a day to pray to that the same people who rank my boy, Sonny, that high also think he’s overrated.  That’s confusing, right?  People rank someone high, then say out the other side of their mouth that they don’t like him.  It’s almost like the entire fantasy baseball ‘pert community is scared of what others will think of them, so they rank how they think you want them to rank rather than how they really want to rank.   This shouldn’t be that surprising since most of the fantasy baseball community spent somewhere from five to six hours of their life trapped in a locker in gym class.  Perhaps I’m just so damn cool that I never experienced bullying like that so I don’t succumb to how others want me to rank.  You think I’m kidding, but I’m dead serious.  There’s some serious psychological stuff going on with fantasy rankings.  Last year, I said something to Tristan Cockcroft like, “Don’t you like Nolan Arenado?”  He replied, “Yeah, I do.”  So, I followed with, “Then why do you rank him down in the 80s?”  And he says because that’s where he’s going.  Why do people rank players where they are going rather than ranking players where they should be going?  Seriously.  This drives me crazy every year.  So, with that psychological scarred thinking in mind, remembering that half of the ‘perts are ranking because they are afraid of bullying, people are only ranking Sonny Gray as high as they have him because they think YOU want him there.  Everyone knows Sonny Gray is overrated.  His K/9 fell last year to 7.3 from 7.5 and his xFIP was 3.69.  He has a low BABIP, which is somewhat understood due to his home park, but not entirely.  Gray is perfectly acceptable as a number two fantasy starter, but he’s being drafted as a number one, which he is not.  Contrary to what the media wants you to believe, the A’s aren’t a good team.  Their lineup of Lowrie, Reddick, Khris Davis, Vogt, Valencia, Moobsy Butler, Yonder, has real problems.  Steamer projects Gray for a stat line of 12-12/3.74/1.30/174.  That’s a little harsh, but it’s not far from where it could be.  Last year was a terrific year, but you’re not drafting for last year, even if most ‘perts want you to believe you are.  You’re drafting for this year.

  1. Krinks says:
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    I put Sonny Gray in the same category as the Cleveland Indians Pitching. Anything less than a Cy Young performance will yield a 3-1 or 4-2 loss due to horrific offense. I’ll never forgive Cleveland for Kluber’s 16 losses that ruined my season last year.

  2. Nick says:
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    last year when Gray was Hot !! got offered Goldschmidt,,,
    straight up !
    Piña colada & margueritas for everyone ^^

  3. Don says:
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    Not related to Sonny, but to your point about, again, about the lunacy of ESPN rankings…here is part of their blurb about Neil Walker:

    SEASON PROJECTION
    As everyone suspected, Walker’s 2014 home run total was an outlier. His 23 home runs were a career high after four years ranging from 12 to 16. A career-best 14 percent HR/FB rate wasn’t so far outside of his range that it couldn’t sustain it, but the safe bet was to regress him back toward his 10 percent career mark — and that’s exactly where he landed, which yielded another 16-homer season. The move to the Mets is probably neutral…

    And then, of course, they project him to hit 23 bombs (2nd most among all 2B behind Dozier). I think they just like messing with people’s heads.

    And in a dynasty league I can keep two of these guys at no cost difference: McCutchen, Posey, Springer, Seager, Lindor. Who do you keep?

    • Don says:
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      @Don:

      Corey Seager

      • I'mgettingsomeHeadley says:
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        @Don: Springer and Seager.

    • Sam says:
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      @Don: Hard not to go McCutch, Posey.. but I could see going Posey, Springer

    • Malicious Phenom says:
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      @Don: I’d go Cutch and Springer, gives you 2 of the best OF’s and overall players.

      • knucks says:
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        @Malicious Phenom: I could see someone making the argument to leave seager out if you were only able to choose one, but to be able to choose 2 and one of them is NOT seager. Did you see J-FOH’s article last night or ask him about it? I know he ranked Seager lower than a few of these guys but I’d agree with Headley here myself, Springer/Seager for me. Good luck!

        • J-FOH says:
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          @knucks: those were keeper ranks. In a dynasty I’d go seager springer

          • knucks says:
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            @J-FOH: My b J-Foh never done either keeper/dynasty so I guess I just consider them the same thing… Just for clarity, what makes it different? Dynasty has more keepers and cements a timetable for how long you can keep them? I see now he noted “cost difference” but just thought that was in reference to rounds.

            • J-FOH says:
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              @knucks: keeper can be anything from from 1 year and one player to about 7 years and 10 players. Keeper leagues in my book has an end date to when you can keep them. Dynasty is forever and generally will include a minor league component to it.

              • knucks says:
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                @J-FOH: Good stuff, thanks for that knowledge brudda.

        • Malicious Phenom says:
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          @knucks: I agree with you, Springer/Seager is the way to go. I missed the part about, dynasty league,,lol

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Don: Springer, Seager

    • Steve Elliott says:
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      @Don: Seager and Cutch!

  4. Let Us Now Praise Famous Death Dwarves says:
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    yikes, cockraft actually said that? wow, those people really are hacks. $10 handjobers hanging out at the same parties as $400 an hour model-looking call girls up in here.

  5. Z says:
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    Hey Grey! Loving these schmohawk posts and looking for some advice.

    Was looking over your overall rankings where you have Rizzo at #4. You seem to be high on him this year. I have the number two pick in my league and have decided to draft a 1B due to the plethora of OF.

    Could you make the case to draft Rizzo over Goldschmidt? Or is that too risky? Thanks as always!

    • Let Us Now Praise Famous Death Dwarves says:
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      @Z: not risky with either one but au rizz is lower than au shizz, but 2 spots.

    • I'mgettingsomeHeadley says:
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      @Z: The question will be if the #1 pick is not Trout. It could be Goldschimidt. Now do you Draft Trout or Rizzo? You can’t go wrong with Trout and get a 1bm in round 2.

      • Z says:
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        @I’mgettingsomeHeadley: Assuming Trout goes 1, I’m choosing between Goldy and Rizzo. If Trout falls, no brainer.

        • Let Us Now Praise Famous Death Dwarves says:
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          @Z: i know, are you asking if Grey changes his goldy vs rizzo rankings?

          • Z says:
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            @Let Us Now Praise Famous Death Dwarves: Was curious because in his rankings he mentions Goldy had a career year, while Rizzo had an off year. So I’m wondering if they’re fairly interchangeable

            • knucks says:
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              @Z: Yea along with what dwarves is saying… the answer is def goldy or trout here. I think the only way you go rizzo is if you had the #3 and want him over harper. Which I might do myself. He puts a lot of thought into his rankings, so to think that he would say that he changed his mind and tell you to go rizzo over goldy is not gonna happen. Good luck either way, I think the burden of the #2 pick isn’t about ending up with trout/goldy/rizzo. Its wondering who you get at the end of the second round. Which prob needs to be a 1B if you arent getting one at #2. But that means you have trout….

    • Malicious Phenom says:
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      @Z: Golddy

    • J-FOH says:
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      @Z: why don’t you take trout or harper and then grab abreu/davis/EE at the turn. Positional scarcity is way over rated.

    • Grey

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      @Z: Nah, go Goldy

  6. The great Knoche says:
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    No Billy Butler Shirt diagram of BBQ stains after the party?

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: only if the shirt comes with moobs for the moobless

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Shirt feels like it should have sleeves, and belly covered but no chest covering

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: that sounds like the shirt I have after a failed incredible hulk moment

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Haha

  7. Kiss a bum says:
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    who would replace Billy Hamilton if he fails? Thanks!!!

    • Malicious Phenom says:
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      @Kiss a bum: B-Ham will have a long leash this year on a rebuilding team.

      • knucks says:
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        @Grey: This is prob a dumb Q, but K-Bum, you mean for your team or the reds? I get Grey’s response for the reds, but if you are talking about your fantasy team… I’d be all over drafting deshields rather than billy.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I thought he meant for the Reds

          • knucks says:
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            @Grey: Yea I think he did hah, I am just babbling and spewing regurgitated Grey knowledge where applicable (or possible applicable?) Thanks for the article Grey.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              No problem

        • knucks says:
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          @knucks: And then building off the idea that you were talking about your team… i’m taking ketel marte and pillar at the right price for decently cheap speed

          • Grey

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            I like Ketel a lot

  8. Scott says:
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    12 team, 7×6 (hits, OPS, QS the extra categories) keeper league. We only play 3 OF and don’t have MI/CI slots. 1 UTIL slot.

    Already have Correa and Abreu, keep 3 of the following:

    Heyward
    Cespedes
    Bogaerts
    Corey Seager
    Schwarber
    Price

    • Sam says:
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      @Scott: I’d go Price, Seager, Schwarber.. OFs are replaceable and not upper tier, and I’m not sold on Bogy (Grey will disagree!)

    • FKA Ralph says:
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      @Scott: any way you can trade? Maybe do a 3:1 for Harper/Springer/Betts? You have three top SS and no real use for them.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Scott: Seager, Price, Schwarber, tough call on last one

  9. #BlackmonMatters says:
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    Hey Grey,

    Quick question. Why are you so down on Yasmani? He had a 282 average, 14 HRs and a 920 ops in the first half of the season before getting hurt last year? He also walks a ton which is great for ops leagues.

    Thanks!

      • knucks says:
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        @Grey: hmm… shoulder surgery/catcher/AJ Ellis might all factor as to why I personally don’t really care about him. Too bad Catcher doesn’t start with an ‘S’ because when I look at Grandal I see no face!

        I dunno what exactly Dave Roberts’ plan for PT is between Yaz/AJ. As Yaz is clearly the better bat… anyways like you said, maybe in an OPS situation #Yasmanimatters more, i dunno. I am just coming from a place where I pretend Catchers don’t exist all that much until Round 23 or the day after draft. Good luck Blackmon!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          CAGNOF! Yeah, I hear ya… Grandal will prolly catch about 120 games

          • #BlackmonMatters says:
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            So its more about playing time than anything.
            Thanks Guys

  10. ichirosan says:
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    16 man H2H dynasty league.

    I give:
    Stephen Strasburg
    Steve Matz
    8th round pick (think someone like Michael Pineda or Randal Grichuk)

    I get:
    Jacob de Grom
    Justin Upton
    16th round pick (still far, but I’m considering someone like Marco Estrada or Avisaíl García, or a faller)

    Yay or nay?

    • FKA Ralph says:
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      @ichirosan: do it. 1,000,000%

    • Malicious Phenom says:
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      @ichirosan: yay

  11. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Couldn’t agree more on this one. I’m so out on Gray, I honestly don’t remember even seeing his name in any mock draft…

    I have a surplus of AVG/SB in my keepers, so I’m looking to try moving Hosmer ($14) in my keeper league for a little more power. No one wants to trade their shiny young prospects for him, so it seems like the best power bats around his ranking, who are also available at not bad prices in my league are guys like the following:

    Braun ($27 – probably too pricey)
    Khris Davis ($9)
    Belt ($9)
    CarGonzalez ($16)
    CarGomez ($14)

    Would you want any one of these guys over your $14 Hosmer if you need HR, or better to hold and just draft for power (Schoop, etc.)?

    • FKA Ralph says:
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      @Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: belt and Gomez aren’t likely to provide much more power than Hosmer. Hard to say much more without seeing your other keepers.

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @FKA Ralph: Agreed, though I think Belt could finally have that power emergence (unlike Hosmer).

        Other keepers are Abreu, Betts, Blackmon, Buxton, Stras, Rodon.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @weas: I’ll tweet it out later if it’s not filled

      • weas says:
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        @Grey: we filled the spot, thanks!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Nice!

  12. Ryan741 says:
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    Grey, would you trade Scherzer for Noah in a H2H points league? I would be gaining Noah as an 11th round keeper for next year. It’s a great offer, my only hesitation is once we announce our keepers like we already have, then we don’t get that draft spot back. So I kept Max as my 2nd round pick, if I trade him for Noah, I don’t get my pick back. I’m essentially keeping Noah as my 2nd this year and won’t get his true value until next year. Would you still do the trade?

  13. That's What Speed Do says:
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    Love the write up. Just makes me wonder… Is Grey only playing mind games with us like the rest of the experts??? Hmmmmmmmmm

    On an unrelated note, I just got offered a trade that has a lot of working parts, hang with me..

    My Abreu for his (pick one pitcher and one hitter) Springer, Gomez, Joc, Harvey, Sale, Kluber.

    It’s a 5 keeper league, currently keeping Abreu, Arenado, Dee, J Upton, and DeGrom.

    So, the only way doing a 2 for 1 helps me is if I could turn around and package some guys up for better keeper. We draft on March 27th and I don’t know if I’d be able to pull that off or not, but Springer is enticing. He wants an answer by this afternoon. Thoughts?

    • That's What Speed Do says:
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      @That’s What Speed Do: So now I’m hearing from him that he and another guy in my league are trying to make a huge deal involving him trading away Goldschmidt which is why he wants my Abreu… So it might make more sense for me to wait and see what he gets from the other guy

  14. StarlingArcher says:
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    In a keeper league I get Lindor and Vizcaino he gets Liriano and Familia. Currently have Starlin penciled in at SS. Thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d want Lindor, it’s fair

  15. JoeG414 says:
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    25 Games for Chapman

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ouch, sucks for him

    • GhostTownSteve says:
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      @JoeG414:

      Wow. And he wasn’t even charged. Doesn’t bode well at all for Reyes.

    • Crapshoot Kershaw says:
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      @JoeG414: after years of actually covering this stuff up (at least for sure in NFL) these leagues have flipped the other way, full on Nazi regime suspensions just for being suspected of things. Guilty until proven innocent. Worst part is these players associations allow this in their agreements.

  16. GhostTownSteve says:
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    I agree he’s overrated for fantasy, but he’s going to bury those Steamer rate numbers. I guarandamntee it.

    I kind of like the A’s this year. Sleeper team. Reminds me of the 2012 team in a way. Bullpen has a chance to be really really good if things come together and still ok even with a couple of misses. Decent depth of rotation arms. Wash will for sure improve them defensively.

    And I don’t know what media you’re looking at rating the A’s as not too bad. I haven’t seen a single person pick them anywhere but last in the AL West and I think just about everybody has them as the worst team in the AL.

    • Grey

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      You’re wearing green and gold blinders, that A’s team looks about as bad as it’s looked in a while… Media loves Beane, always finds something to say, even if it’s, “The A’s don’t look good on paper, but they always find a way.” Are you in Arizona this weekend?

      • GhostTownSteve says:
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        @Grey:

        Nope. I have my kiddoes. Really, really wanted to make it. I’d be on a plane in a heartbeat.

        I try to be a little bit neutral on the A’s. I’m not a total fanboy. I think this year they have a few of the same elements that let to success in their 3 year run. They have a lot of competition and guys playing for their next contract or their MLB life. They stocked the ‘pen. They went for volume on SPs and have some interesting arms down there. They can give you decent AB from every position on the field so the line up is unspectacular but could be pretty long. Wash is going to coach up that defense, that’s for sure. His track record with that is too good to ignore. I think they are better than Seattle and LAA and can push Tejas. Houston’s slightly vulnerable in their rotation but they look like a gorilla anyway.

        • Grey

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          Ugh, I thought for sure you’d be there with Magoo in the house… I like Jesse Hahn to surprise, love Semien (ew!), Burns is solid, I like Davis….Then I’m having a hard time figuring out what else they can do… Lowrie will be hurt, Butler’s garbage, Yonder’s terrible, Valencia is so bad, Vogt is not very good, Bassitt oofa, Graveman yikes, Rich Hill meh, we’ll see if he pitches longer than 40 IP

          • peacecoast says:
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            @Grey: you love semien and go down on grandal BOOM

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Not Grandal’s Semien though, not that!

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: the Royals look like crap on paper every year, Giants too but they both win. That Royals staff couldn’t even get me to half mast….cust kayin

        • Grey

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          That’s not true

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: oh, it is true. The Royals in 2014 looked like nothing special on paper, didnt really last year. Small ball teams are not sexy and never look appealing. Same as Giants, at least Giants have Bum and Posey, what two sexy players do the royals have…cain and Ventura? sal perez and davis? PAAAAALEASE

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Royals player much better than A’s player playing same position….Every one except maybe Infante

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: that was never the disareement, the Royals are not sexy was the disagreement. The A’s are not sexy either. They’re both not sexy

                • Grey

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                  Sexy is eye of the beholder, you’re backtracking now

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Grey: not at all, you just dont want to admit that lo cain and crew aint sexy. My argument was the Royals aren’t sexy and you made it a comparison discussion, I was agreeing that the A’s aren’t sexy but neither are the royals. That’s not backtracking, thats you trying to trick me

                    • Grey

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                      Sexy is in the eye of the beholder, you’re saying they’re not sexy, that doesn’t make it true

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      okay, then it’s settled, to each their own never to debate again

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      You’re not debating anything, you’re just saying I should agree with you

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      isnt that the point of talking about anything baseball related, to see the others point and take it into consideration

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      You don’t have a point, sadly… You’re just saying the Royals aren’t sexy, which means very little

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      I pointed out they arent sexy and gave examples of why they arent, you said they are sexy and backed it up with nothing, sadly, do you see where I’m going with this

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Ptooey! Iran #1! I said every position on the Royals except Infante matches up to the A’s, and the Royals are better

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      that’s like saying the omega moos are hotter than the pigs that invaded the frat house. They both aren’t sexy. You can’t Iron Shiek me. Where the hell are my shears, I’m going to Brutus Beefcake your beautiful hairline

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I feel a little like a pit bull owner right before a dog fight…. I wanna bring out the beast but I also don’t want it to turn around and attack me

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      I feel the same way when I’m about to show a woman my man region for the first time

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Haha

  17. Warren says:
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    OBP keeper league. Which side?

    $13 Dee Gordon

    $10 Syndergaard

    • Warren says:
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      @Warren: sorry, I had their values wrong–

      $15 Dee Gordon

      $8 Thor

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Gordon, it’s fair

      • Warren says:
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        @Grey: got the Noah owner to toss in some Auction money, so it’s effectiely $18 Gordon and $5 Thor. I like!

  18. JashFath

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    You couldn’t have broken down the psychology of “expert ranking” any better, Grey. Luckily, you have the balls to rank where you truly believe players should go, and for the most part, you have been dead-on (Arenado, thank you). Plus, you actually have a sense of humor in comparison to the other ‘perts.

    Alright, I’m done giving you praise. Just let me know whether I should spit or swallow on my way out the door.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      HA, thanks!

    • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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      @JashFath: worst part is those hacks would never tell a readers that’s what they are doing, like Grey said earlier, they either have actual contempt or just don’t care about their readers.

  19. mauledbypandas says:
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    Grey you hit the nail on the head today! I have had the whole perceived value versus communally acknowledged value argument many a time and it never makes any more sense to me. Slow clap for you today!

    • Grey

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      Thanks, MBP!

  20. mauledbypandas says:
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    Friends, Romans, Fantasy Baseballers….

    The vaunted and revered FCL has a few openings this year for some highly competitive fantasy baseballing. Last year we had the highest competitive league index and this year we are hoping to repeat. Shoot me an email, carrier pigeon, telegram, whatever you got… if you are are interested in joining.

    [email protected]

    • J-FOH says:
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      @mauledbypandas: I never thought I would see the day when you would be looking for members.

      Oh, I think militant vegans wants in, I can vouch for him. I’ll send you his email

      • mauledbypandas says:
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        @J-FOH: Well, I think the guys we got are going to be awesome. Still have not heard from Steve though. Otherwise looks all set. Although we are distinctly less Razztastic without you guys

        • J-FOH says:
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          @mauledbypandas: I’ll message steve on hangouts, he usually responds within 10 hours

  21. True and Correct says:
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    Going off topic, but “punting” catchers has put me in a jam. 15 team/ no waiver wire/NFBC Draft Champions League. My pick #25 coming up soon from the 11 spot (371) and still no catcher. Not only did no one slide, Carlos Perez, Suzuki also taken. With 4 picks ahead of me, only catchers with a pulse (1/2 pulse ?) on my queue are Navarro/Rupp/J.R. Murphy/Conger-Casali twins/Avila/Flowers, and Sanchez. Pretty freaking pathetic.
    Conger would be great if did better than throwing out 1 of 43 runners. J.R. has Suzuki in front of him. Navarro has Avila. Rupee has Ruiz and Arencibia w/ Alfaro-Knapp waiting in the wings.
    Believe it or not, I think Sanchez has the highest upside. If ARod or Teix don’t fulfill their steroid prescription and/or if McCann gets injured, Sanchez can get a chance.
    Guess my strategy failed, so I come to you for ANY suggestions (other than I should have already taken 1 catcher of the 2 that I need to start).
    Thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I like Conger then Rupp

      • The great Knoche says:
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        @Grey: I think Rupp ends up getting majority of paying time

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, he could, sadly

  22. ERad says:
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    Grey throwing shade today!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’m like a pitching lamp!

  23. Pitcher keeper says:
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    Hi Grey- I’m in a 12 team mixed league, 10 keepers- keep McCullers along with Stras and Bumgarner? Alternative is to keep Familia, or draft a round earlier. My other keepers are all hitters. There are usually only a few closers kept in the league. Thanks Grey.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d keep McCullers, but don’t draft another SP for a long time

      • Pitcher keeper says:
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        @Grey: Definitely agreed, thanks a lot Grey. Could you see keeping Familia too instead of Hanley (or whoever unknowns are free early in the draft), or keep Hanley’s offense?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I could see Familia over Hanley

          • Pitcher keeper says:
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            @Grey: Thanks again Grey

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              No problem

  24. I like him better than many of the ‘perts #1 aces simply due to his age, but you are correct.
    Sonny is a #2 and not a heap of steaming mess like his teams batting order-
    I’m keeping Archer, who is also a #2 and would maybe start from there if he’s not overpriced in an Auction. Way lower than your deGrom and Mad Max Auction steals!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha! Yeah, I got some aces, boi!

    • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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      @Patrick: archer is ranked as a #1 here.

  25. cashmoney says:
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    Grey

    first mock of year, my league is 6×6 w/offensive K’s, Losses and QS (keepers are Polanco and Tijuan Walker)
    Took Harvey rd 5 instead of an outfielder like Upton or Braun

    C. d’Arnaud
    1B. Abreu
    2b. Dozier
    3B. Arenado
    SS. Segura
    OF. Ellsbury
    OF. Belt
    OF. Reddick
    Ut. Longoria
    UT. Franco
    Bench: Domingo Santana

    Price
    Harvey
    Salazar
    Severino
    Bauer
    Heaney
    Britton
    H. Rondon
    Storen
    Clippard
    Will Smith

    Thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You see what taking Harvey there did to your team? Your hitting is a bit of a mess and your pitching is stronger than it should be

    • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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      @cashmoney: you don’t need 5th round pitcher if you already drafted one earlier.

  26. I'mgettingsomeHeadley says:
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    Grey, thanks again for this website and all the posts. From your previous comments I traded Sonny,Berrios and Snell, for Salazar,Richards and Ozuna. It was in a dynasty 12 teamer but at the end of the season our 5 year window for a redraft is up so I dumped the youngsters.

    Now here is where I need some advice. I joined another 12 team roto with 15 hitters plus ops 10 pitchers. Everyone got to keep 5 guys but you can throw them back after seeing the unprotected list. It’s kinda of a slow Draft as we draft by positions where we have preranked players by position. After all that my question is this, I’m keeping Kershaw and Manny, I’m throwing Braun,Hey ward and Cole back in. So I get 3 players out of C.Davis (k% scares me) Freeman,Fielder,Hosmer,Marte,Betts,Springer,Blackmon,JD,JUP, Zander. Once we all get to 5 it’s a snake draft. I’m hurting with no 1bm, but hard to pass on 3 outfielders. Would you take C. Davis, and get 2 lesser 1bm and go 3 outfielders? Who would you take. Sorry for the long post,I wasn’t going to post but why not….it’s a $100 buy in.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Marte, Betts, Davis

      • I'mgettingsomeHeadley says:
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        @Grey: I’m learning. The 3 I was thinking. Thank you.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  27. Swfcdan says:
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    Billy the kid, Kendrick, and Wacha for Dee G and Stroman?

    Dynasty but definatley playing for this year. I think Hamilton is a garbage hitter and want to offload.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Gordon side

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He looks skinny there, funhouse mirror for sure!

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: he has some pretty skinny arms. Look at where the neck meets the body, that’s a photo shop

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          That’s Ben Zobrist’s body!

          • The Great Knoche says:
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            @Grey: Could be Butler’s Head on Sonny Gray’s Body.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              That makes more sense

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                That makes more sense than Butler’s

  28. bazzrall says:
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    would you trade Miggy for him in a dynasty? straight up

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      For who?

      • Swfcdan says:
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        @Grey: Him! You mean you don’t know Him?? He’s the latest export out of Korea.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha

      • 1+2=456 says:
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        @Grey: Gray! You don’t know your own kind?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Nice captcha username

          • 1+2=456 says:
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            @Grey: no seriously miggy or gray in a dynasty tho

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              miggy

          • nick the dick says:
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            @Grey: Nut one, nut two, nut fo, five six. I lost a 3rd nut in the mix

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              HA, how’d the roast go?

              • nick the dick says:
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                @Grey: oh man, what a drunk fun time. Overall went really well, even my pops killed it! My mom was absolutely ridiculous, more racist than I imagined. Camera was askew for a few roasters so it wasn’t the best taping job, but it was an awesome time. I murdered em all at the end, naturally.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  I’d accept nothing else from you, great to hear you slayed racist mom, lounge singing pops and the rest of the Dicks… They must recognize!

                  • nick the dick says:
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                    @Grey: step to me, better step correctly. Cuz i’ma roast ya ass if you disrespect me!….havent put it on youtube yet, but when I do i’ll post it right on for you

                    • Grey

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                      Oh healls yeah… Roastmaster, cause when you spit fire, you also spitfire grill

  29. Polka

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    Speaking of overated-
    The Oscar for a Dramatic Performance by a horrible Sports Reporter goes too…..Erin Andrews!
    for $75 Million, I’ll sit in the Marriot Lobby and let people throw acid on me! Do your job, and quit trying to get rich over something everybody would have seen eventually if Hef didn’t remove nudity from his reading magazine!
    “I just wanted to be respected” The learn football you dolt!!
    And her pretty little head would explode if she had to talk baseball-

    • Grey

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      She’s trying to get rich on it?

  30. Luke says:
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    14 team yahoo H2H 6×6 5 player keeper league need some of your thoughts (and i always summon your inner thoughts while drinking bud light and putting together my draft excel sheets lol!) Keepers cost two additional round advancement each year.

    listed: keep’able players (yes i think that is a word), round I would draft them this year (9th pick snake draft)

    Carlos González 1
    Jason Heyward 3
    Josh Reddick 13
    Khris Davis 10
    Carlos Santana 2
    Jonathan Schoop 20
    Aaron Hicks 24
    Jedd Gyorko 9
    Jake Arrieta 7
    Matt Harvey 13
    Kenley Jansen 5
    Trevor Rosenthal 6
    Marcus Stroman 16
    Shawn Tolleson 14
    Mike Fiers 16
    Andrew Heaney 21
    Josh Tomlin 24
    Erasmo Ramírez 24
    Tyler Glasnow 24
    José Berrios 24
    Jarred Cosart 24

    I am thinking Arrieta 7th, Davis 10th, Harvey 13th, Stroman 16th, Schoop 20th? what are your thoughts and also thanks for helping win my league last year I read your stuff daily!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Arrieta, Harvey, Stroman, Davis, Schoop…Bit of a mess on the keeper front

      • Luke says:
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        @Grey: any advice on how I should look to get ahead of that mess in this year’s draft?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Hitters, hitters and more hitters

  31. Swfcdan says:
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    2nd (28th) and 3rd (33rd) round picks in a slow draft coming up. Starling and Mookie already gone, any problem with taking Dee with one of those picks to lock up speed and 2B?

    • mauledbypandas says:
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      @Swfcdan: I thought it sounded a little high but Grey ranked him 26th so go for it!

    • Grey

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      Sounds fine

      • Swfcdan says:
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        @Grey: Cool beans, might take him with the 28th pick to make sure I get him. Speed was so down last year, and power is overflowing from everywhere. Was never a fan of Dee but give me the goddamn 50 steals at 2B.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Gotcha

  32. 1+2=456 says:
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    Need help picking my last couple keepers. It’s a 12 team, 5-keeper league with 5-year keeper limits on keepers. OBP and QS added. I’ll put number of (years left on keeper status) in parenthesis. I have about 7 people I wish I could keep from this list so I’m curious as to what you guys think.

    Edwin Encarnacion (3)
    Freddie Freeman (3)
    Dee Gordon (4)
    Chris Davis (3)
    Ryan Braun (3)
    Corey Seager (5)
    Xander Bogaerts (5)
    Kyle Schwarber (5)
    Byron Buxton (5)

    Matt Harvey (3)
    Carlos Carrasco (5)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Gordon, Seager, Schwarber, Harvey, Edwin

      • 1+2=456 says:
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        @Grey: I was hoping you wouldn’t say Schwarber. Really keep that guy who won’t get guaranteed playing time ever day?

        • Grey

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          You have options, go a different way of you want

          • 1+2=456 says:
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            @Grey: I’m just torn between him and Chris Davis

            • Grey

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              Then go Davis

              • 1+2=456 says:
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                @Grey: this is why they pay you the big bucks man

                • Fungazi says:
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                  @1+2=456: Does your league trade much? You could try to flip Schwarb before the season starts to someone that bites into the hype.

  33. Jarid says:
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    Hey Gray, I’m looking for a keeper league to join with a very active group. If you know anyone needing a baseball nut let me know please.. Thank you…

    • 1+2=456 says:
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      @Jarid: I need a nut, doesn’t have to be baseball related…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Keep an eye on the comments and the forums

      • knucks says:
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        @Grey: Jarid I have a league with a $150 buy in that is looking for one last competitive owner. But how can I be sure that you are a nut and not a nutso?

  34. mrbaseball says:
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    Rafael Montero NYM – P – do you think there might be any upside here for a keeper league – this year or years to come

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not especially

  35. knucks says:
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    Capps elbow MRI? Glad I don’t have a draft this early he prob would have been on a few teams if I did. Guess this is good news for Ramos though. Will prob snag H. Strickland a few times this year as my last pick and hold for ratios early.

    • Grey

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      Agreed

      • knucks says:
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        @Grey: you see it is 30 games btw for chappy?

        • knucks says:
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          @knucks: one last thing, I know usually smoke is the go to on deep RP arms but did you watch arquimedes throw at all last year for the bucs? Dude throws some gaseous steam.

        • Grey

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          Ouch

          • knucks says:
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            @Grey: saw a few reports that if the chappy suspension was more than 46 games, yanks would have an extra year of control. Interesting. More so in that I hadn’t seen that reported anywhere previously.

            • Grey

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              Weird, hadn’t heard that

              • nick the dick says:
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                @Grey: Yeah it had to do with getting his 6 years of service to be eligible for FA. 45+ days would have kept him under the 6 years and given the Yanks another year of control

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Maybe to celebrate, he’ll fire off his gun

                  • nick the dick says:
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                    @Grey: a little fist pumping…into his girlfriend’s face

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Haha

  36. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Woah, if Chapman gets a 30 game suspension, how many does Jose Reyes get?

    Time for a [Trevor] Story?

    • knucks says:
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      @Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: thought that too and I hope so on story, but read a few places in the past few days that the Rox prob will be cheap and not start his clock. Maybe use descalso or some other fodder to start the year. But you’re right I would put the over/under on at least 60 games for reyes. Prob just let it play out in court for now and keep him on leave until a ruling is made.

      • knucks says:
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        @knucks: christian adames an option as well. he is young too. can’t imagine story doesn’t outshine in spring training but we saw what happened with bryant last year and the rockies aren’t even exactly competitive at the moment.

    • Grey

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      I wish on Story

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: With how Cashman’s been capitalizing on this off the field stuff, there’s a not zero percent chance he trades the Yankees’ backup locker room janitor for Reyes with all salary eaten by COL…

      • knucks says:
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        @Grey: Grey I saw you had him pegged for 350 ABs. The numbers there kinda look Desmond-esque if he were up for a full season. If Trea Turner and Story both get announced before opening day as starting SS, who you grabbing first? Turner does have Espinosa and Stephen Drew there as well.

        I know this is pretty hypothetical and a cross that bridge when we get there kinda situation but I noticed you have Turner up higher than Story in your top 500, so that prob answers my question any way. Humor me, if you will. Am I just higher on Story cause he is in Colorado?

        • Grey

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          Story, all the way

  37. Whatever says:
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    Grey,

    Trying to decide on my pick in new dynasty league. Gerrit Cole, Sale, Marte, Scherzer?

    So far I have Altuve,Arenado,EE

    What do you think?

    • Whatever says:
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      @Whatever: Or JD Martinez?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Marte

      • Whatever says:
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        @Grey: Forgot to mention its an OBP league. Would that change your mind?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I’m a bit interested in how many teams

          • Whatever says:
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            @Grey: 10 teams

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Martinez

      • Whatever says:
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        @Grey: Thanks Grey.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  38. Steve says:
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    Pick a side. Lester and Heyward or Cole and Polonco?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Cole

  39. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Auction draft strategy question:

    10 team H2H OBP/OPSleague – 9 active offensive spots, 9 pitching spots, 5 bench. No one reads Razzball but me. Auction draft, but no FAAB…post draft, add/drops are unlimited, subject only to a weekly 5 waiver add cap.

    Between the large post-draft free agent pool (given few offensive slots and only 10 teams), coupled with the Razzball edge, I’m feeling very confident that there will be plenty of fantasy back end studs who start the season on waivers that I’ll be able to get the drop on as they become worthwhile.

    In light of the above, what do you think about basically overspending to lock up 7-8 total stud bats (i.e., a positional top 5 guy at 1B, at least one of 2B/SS, 3B, and at least 2 of 3 OFs from the top 10) and ~4 quality SPs, even if that means being stuck with $1 or reserve guys for my final 3 or 4 bench spots (one of which I’d use to stream anyway)?

    In mocking, I’ve been able to spend less than 70% of my budget to get all of Trout/Rizz/Votto/Betts/Springer/Bryant/C Seager – seems like the value of the top tier guys is greater when its so easy to replace the mid-tier/upside guys, and especially pitching, in this format.

    • Grey

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      I don’t mind that strategy, you can likely spend $70 on pitchers and be fine in a ten team league

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: Thanks! That was my thinking too. I feel like you could get a couple $15 sps, a couple $10 -$12 guys, a few sagnof closers and be fine figuring out the rest. Definitely sneaking Darvish too for my DL spot ($1!!! on ESPN)

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah I like the cheap Darvish DL play

  40. The great Knoche says:
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    Raising fences at Coors Field. The big wall in right going all the way across to center. Also 5 feet down the line in left(until seatin area)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      …and adding anti-gravity chamber surrounding batters’ box.

    • J-FOH says:
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      @The great Knoche: when I glanced at this I thought it said raising feces at coors and thought there was a Weiss revolt

  41. Uno Mas Cerveza says:
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    Seager, Franco or Hosmer in a 6X6 keeper?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Seager

  42. Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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    has chapman/betances/miller been adjusted in Rudy’s QS + H rater, as well as your top 500?

  43. Jerry says:
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    Hey, Grey! Welcome back to another season! Betts or Baustista in a head to head points league? Thnaks!

  44. Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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    does this look ok. 16 team roto dynasty with total bases, OBP over AVG and net steals over steals, net saves + holds, QS over wins, and K/BB added. i got an offer of upton
    for my
    tapia + wheeler + lind + mondesi (all of those i can’t keep anyway, so offered up ALL of them with 1 or more keepers) + a.miller + brinson. here’s roster:
    C perez
    1B rizzo
    2B kipnis
    SS none yet
    3B bryant
    LF d.peralta
    CF ellsbury
    RF JD mart
    Util delino (CF/LF)
    util none
    NA benintendi/brinson/dahl/jp crawford
    SP liriano/cole/heaney/fiers/ryu/buchholes/pineda
    RP a.miller/watson/giles/britton/romo
    NA stephenson

    I also could get maybe Buxton or Lindor in this.

  45. Syllogism says:
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    I’m only 10 hours behind in getting back to making this post – probably will have to repost in the different thread tomorrow. :P

    I love the work Rudy has done in $values for cat’s beyond the standard 5×5 – but I prefer your rank perspective.

    12 team, snake draft, Yahoo, 1x each batter position + 1x Utility, 3x each of SP, RP, P, 9x Bench. 7×7 (OBP, TB + Holds, K/9).

    Any general suggestions on how I might do rough-in adjustments to your rankings? (I thought I may have seen some response to a similar question in one thread or another, but either I’m mistaken or I can’t find it).

    Thanks for putting up with all this craziness.

  46. gangreen says:
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    if jay bruce is traded to the BAL what is his worth would you take in the 3rd or 4th .
    Is arrietta and noah good as my two top starters or do I still need a strausburg , lester, or carrasco. Or can I wait and get a liriano, lackey , zimmerman, maybe stroman who I like alot. Or could I wait even longer and still be fine. We get max 1250 innings

  47. gangreen says:
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    My keeper leage just changed to one utility spot instead of two. I kept cirey seager and boagarts leaving me with two shortstops. I dropped trout instead of signing him to a big deal was that a mistake now that there was a change. Usually I use that utility for a donkey but now it will have a shortstop. I feel like I need a draft strategy now a new one. Any advice. Points leage with obp , kbb , whip , era , w, I guess every stat is included. I already own corey seager boagarts, schwarber , noah , and arrietta. Maybe use schwarb as an oitfielder and draft a catcher, or gi for wong as a 2nd basemen(any other players with ave and steals at 2nd base). Idk my whole draft strategy changed because now theres 16 teams instead of 12 and one utilty instead of two. Any advice or words of wisdom for me ..

  48. GreyistheGuru says:
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    keeper league- pick two out of these. Cole, Gray, Strasburg.

    I was leaning toward Cole and Gray until I saw this post and it made more sense to me. Do i keep Strasburg over Gray?

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