Per the usual, I have to drop a caveat when it comes to Deep League Thoughts about pitchers: there’s no such thing as a deep league pitcher. Unless you’re talking 20 team leagues and then you’re calling some relievers deep league pitchers. I ain’t going there so let’s realize upfront before you feel affronted. Now that we have that settled, when does a young pitcher settle? Two years? Four years? Do they ever? It’s all hard to predict. As we’ve seen through our years as fantasy baseballers, growth isn’t a promise from a young kid, it’s a possibility. How many rookies came and went on your rosters in 2014 alone? I’m not asking you, Grey. You’d add and drop the same player five times in one day so you don’t count, you chronic rosterbator. That said, I’m sure Trevor Bauer hit your roster more than once. He had some good with some bad in 2014. Maybe you got the bad from him and won’t go near him again. Maybe you had more of the good like I did and you’re willing to look into him a bit further. If so, trudge on with me. We’re about to go deep inside the enigma that is Bauer and what he can do for you for the 2015 Fantasy Baseball season…
So we’re gonna play a little game. It’s the believers vs truthers game. Truthers are out to disprove and believers…well, c’mon put 2 and 2 together and don’t ask me if it’s tuna just cuz the can says chicken of the sea. For fun, I looked back at age 23 seasons from starters with 150 innings pitched or more over the last 5 years. I know, that’s a pretty small and extremely specific sampling but baseball is a changing sport and I’d rather look at recent comps than try to compare Trevor to Roger Clemens, m’kay? The believers will point to the fact that Bauer had the 9th highest K/9 of pitchers his age over the last 5 years with Yordano Ventura sitting at 10 and Mat Latos sitting at the eight spot. The truthers? They’ll point to his 7th worst BB/9 rate, behind so far mediocre starters in Matt Moore, Jhoulys Chacin, Zach Britton, Shelby Miller, and Trevor Cahill. Yuck. So to say you’re drafting him on his current K%-BB% of 12.5% (which was only 47th best in the league) would be a fallacy: you’re drafting for growth. But can’t the same argument be said for Yordano Ventura? Oh, you’d never seen him before and Bauer got old fast with his 2012 and 2013 stints. I see, 33.1 IP did it for you? You know what Bauer is or isn’t now? Gotcha. The reality is, if we did a blind stat-sniff test, who do you want? Bauer bettered Ventura in K/9 (8.41 vs 7.74) almost mirrored in BB/9 (3.53 vs 3.42) and though the ERAs were nearly a run different (4.18 to 3.23), the xFIPs suggests their seasons weren’t that far from each other (4.18 vs 3.77). Of course, this isn’t a damning of Ventura anymore than it’s a praising of Bauer, but it comes back to who you think you’re drafting. Draft one because they have upside, ignore the other because they’re toast yet they’re both 23. Now it may be that Bauer never figures it out. Maybe we’re seeing his peak at this ripe, young age and any improvements will be subtle and menial for fantasy purposes. But if that’s so, his stats say he could be a top 40’ish pitcher given 180 innings. Don’t believe me? Yordano finished as the 41st best pitcher according to player rater. So you have floor with potential for much higher and a draft day price of…well, there’s really no draft day price. He’s freer than Tara Reid’s boobs on the red carpet after a cocaine binge. Yeah it was a dated reference but I don’t get out much. Did ya SEE the writeup I just did? Sheesh…
I’m bored. What round are you guys in? Are you dominating?
@Cram It: Ha, I wouldn’t call it dominating but I’m happy with my choices so far. We just started round 9. So far, here’s me:
Goldy
Scherzer
Arenado
Carlos Santana
Heyward
D. Robertson
Carrasco
Alex Gordon
R. Zimmerman
Wanted both Gordon and Trumbo (I’m near the turn at #2) but Trumbo went 2 picks prior to me. Zimmerman at 1B might stay healthy. I know, I know, crazy talk…how about yourself?
@Sky: We’re mid-round 9. I’m happy with my choices. One guy I should’ve taken before Bogey that I’m hoping comes back around, but I feel like he’s the only question mark so far.
Carlos Gomez
Donaldson
Crush
Cespedes
Arrieta
Carrasco
Betances
Bogaerts
Have a safe trip(s) man!
Solid looking team so far. I’m not a Xander guy myself but dig your start. Arrieta/Carrasco were my starting arms back to back in a February draft.
What I’m curious about is whether he gave us his 45 minute across the stadium long toss routine?? I’ve always liked him but that’s just gotta be insane right?!?!
It hasn’t really hurt him so far. I’ve heard rumors that he’s become ‘more coachable’ starting last year but I do think he’s still sending express air mail for the Cleveland Post office.
@Sky: To each his own I guess, I know my arm would be blown out by throw #2. But, I appreciate the good read on him, I’ll be taking a stabby stab on Trevor.
Yeah he’s been doing it for a while, I wouldn’t think an injury comes from it. Doesn’t make it any less stupid of course
4 words: Ron Wolforth Baseball Ranch
They let Bartolo Colon graze for too long.
@GhostTownSteve: 2 Words: Fast Twitch
12 teamer ? Sky, did you pick 5th ? Reached for Arenado ? Reached for Santana.
Looks like a 15 teamer.
NFBC: 15 teams, 50 rounds, no FA moves and no trades. You gotta build a wysiwyg team.
Well played, now where is my reference to the tribes magic curry dust that transforms these guys beyond their perceived value.
Thank you, good sir. It’s in your mind, where it’s always been.
@Sky: wait, you mean the massive improvements of Kluber and carassaco was in the cards and not the result of some kind of magic? This changes everything
Sounds like you just had some Mio
@Sky: I need to lay off the halucinogens
Unless your friends randomly turn into black cowboy midgets. Then you just need to lay off the flavored water.
@Sky: yeah, soda is a crazy drug
@J-FOH: Much more lethal than shrooms…
Wow. Tara Reid reference. Diggin deep. I like it. How many sentences can I write with less than 3 words? Okay, I’ll stop wasting your time. What’s up with your NFBC? Ours is crawling at a pace slower than my mustache grows. Which is slow, in case you’re keeping track. Anything weird happen? And how’s your roster stackin up? Just shootin the shiz w my over-the-internet-friend, Sky.
@Nico: Wow, Cram it gettin at you first. He’s a better OTI-Friend…
And now I’m just talkin to myself.
Sometimes those are the best conversations because you can read the other person’s mind!
@Nico: Haha. I don’t even know why I’m hanging out in the draft room. NOTHING is going to happen for 3 more hours.
I only bring the best antiquated pop culture references for my readers. I’m in round 7 now but just one guy will make it tumble into round 8 in a hurry. I’m happy with my roster so far but these drafts are the anti-Razz:
Goldy/Scherzer/Arenado/Carlos Santana/Heyward/D. Robertson/Carrasco
@Sky: Wow, I went Goldy as well. Goldy/Arenado/Dickerson/Greinke/Dozier. I was trying to scoop Santana round 4, but Grey nabbed him first. Good position versatility.
Rudy’s draft is in the 9th round
@Grey: Only benefit we have is that we’ll be able to figure out who’s being called up in September before our draft is over.
Ha!
@Grey: Goddamn. I guess someo had to get the short straw.
@Sky: can we name a year and you make a reference game?
I’m not good with years for the most part. I could MAY BE get within five if you tried.
@Sky: 1995?
Rex Manning Day?
@Sky: 1997?
Come on Barbie let’s go party?
@Sky: 1993
@J-FOH: My 5th birthday! Boom. It was at a bowling alley. Rager! Sugar comas for EVERYONE. EVERYONE!
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis?
that would of been 1995 sky
Five year window!
I was just dating your pee comment, glad you havent thrown this one at me yet
what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I may not have said it in those words but I’ve meant it in my actions every day
and now the truth comes out, you smug SOB
Haha
@Sky: you ain’t kidding about anti razz there, 4-3 hitter to pitcher after 7 picks!, 1 OF only after 7!
Where are you in your NFBC draft? We’ve got one guy that’s a serious time offender. You can imagine what I want to do to him.
We’re in round 7. It really goes in fits and spurts so far for us. I already have two SP (Scherzer/Carrasco) and an RP (Robertson) to go with only one OF (Heyward). NFBC is pretty much the antithesis of a Razzball strategy.
@Sky: Yeah, I’m learning on the fly. Just trying to get a balanced starting lineup. I have 2 SP’s too (Carrasco as well), 2 OF’s, 2 CI’s.
I wanted to fill my 1B/3B/CI before I left round 5 so Scherzer put some pressure on me. I slowly started liking Carlos Santana this year as better than many project him to be. There’ll be an article on it in the near future since I was inspired last night. I want balance as well but am lagging at OF just a bit more than normal because its where most of the athletes who can’t play a position go. Lot of raw power, big number guys that might go late that I’ll be keeping tabbed.
@Sky: I think there are big power potential guys way down the ranks that aren’t in the outfield. I won’t discuss that here. But certainly OF is deep enough to find some guys to fill that. I like my Outfielders to have the power/speed combo
Yeah, I’m now treating my OF as such for the most part. Obviously I’m hoping with Goldy he chips in 12-15 and with Santana maybe 7-10. Heyward could be 20 but we’ll see.
Question, in a standard 5×5 Roto League. If you had a choice of one P who would you take from the following? Baur, Salazar, Porcello or Shoemaker.
Salazar
Good article on Bauer Sky, I’ve picked him up /Dropped at least 4 times in past years and I wonder on my keeper list where you rank him against Salazar, Liriano, and Montero for the next few years in terms of production?
Thanks Blues! Which Montero? Assuming they’re all pitchers, I like Bauer just a bit more than Liriano. They both have control issues, Bauer can still improve upon his. Salazar would be my #1 there, though.
@Sky: Thanks (Rafeal Montero) I think Bauer takes that next step for CLE and agree with your assessment.
@blues: Yeah, it’s always hard to tell if a guy is gonna get it but I think Bauer/Liriano are similar enough to go young there.