Okay, so it’s not the best 2010 fantasy baseball team, but, man, that title sings, right?  This is the best 2010 fantasy baseball team that I can put together when drafting a player from every 12 players, according to my top 300 for 2010 fantasy baseball.  So it would be nice if I was in a league where someone drafted Lincecum in the first round and I was able to take Longoria and Howard, but since they’re both in the first 12, according to the rules I’ve set up for myself, I can’t take them both.  Also, as we all know, once you get into the 100s, there’s wide gaps between ADP and where players are actually taken.  People tend to look at team need over value.  For this exercise, I’m going to limit myself to a player just like in a snake draft, no matter what.  So if I choose Pujols, I can’t take another player until the 24th pick, then a player from somewhere in the next 12 picks.  It should still be my ideal team… Or not.  Let’s see, shall we?  Bee tee dubya, this team is 5×5, one catcher, 5 OFs, MI, CI, 1 UT, 9 P, 3 Bench.  Anyway, here’s the best 2010 fantasy baseball team:

C:  Chris Iannetta (15)

1B: Albert Pujols (1)

2B: Brandon Phillips (4)

SS: Elvis Andrus (10)

3B: Ryan Zimmerman (3)

MI: Alcides Escobar (16)

CI: Ian Stewart (9)

OF: Justin Upton (2)

OF: Adam Jones (5)

OF: Raul Ibanez (8)

OF: Corey Hart (13)

OF: Ryan Ludwick (18)

UT: Brandon Wood (24)

P: Josh Johnson (6)

P: Cliff Lee (7)

P: Matt Cain (12)

P: Jonathan Sanchez (17)

P: Gavin Floyd (21)

P: Mat Latos (23)

P: Francisco Cordero (11)

P: Octavio Dotel (14)

P: Bobby Jenks (19)


P: Brandon Lyon (20)

P: Scott Downs (22)

P: Matt Lindstrom (25)

So what do you think of my fantasy fantasy team?  Don’t like it?  Go to the top 300 and make up your own fantasy fantasy team and post it in the comments.

  1. KVC

    cleaver596 says:

    What do you make of Shaun Marcum this year? I have him as someone to watch during spring training. When healthy he was a solid pitcher. I know he recently signed a one year deal with Toronto, and he had a 2.30 in 5 rehab starts last year.

  2. Big Mike says:

    @Grey, as a Bravos fan I gotta ask, what are odds that Chipper has a rebound season as he & Cox enter their final year?

  3. Dave says:

    Auto-Draft on Yahoo, using your top 300 (for the most part). My only concern is not having a top line starter. Everything else looks pretty sweet.

    C – Matt Wieters (12)
    C – Miguel Montero (18)
    1B – Albert Pujols (1)
    1B – Justin Morneau (5)
    2B – Ian Kinsler (3)
    2B – Ian Stewart (15)
    3B – Mark Reynolds (6)
    3B – Gordon Beckham (13)
    SS – José Reyes (4)
    SS – Jason Bartlett (14)
    OF – Matt Holliday (2)
    OF – Curtis Granderson (7)
    OF – Josh Hamilton (8)
    OF – Andre Ethier (9)
    Util – Carlos Quentin (10)
    Util – Lance Berkman (11)
    BN – Carlos Beltrán (27)
    BN – Chris Davis (28)

    SP – David Price (20)
    SP – A.J. Burnett (21)
    SP – Clay Buchholz (22)
    SP – Johnny Cueto (25)
    SP – Ervin Santana (26)
    RP – Francisco Rodríguez (16)
    RP – David Aardsma (17)
    P – Francisco Cordero (19)
    P – Ryan Franklin (23)
    P – Leo Núñez (24)
    BN – Frank Francisco (29)
    BN – Octavio Dotel (30)

  4. matthole says:

    this is very awesome. Gives us a great guideline of when to draft certain positions. SP back to back is okay to stack aces, good to know. thanks again

  5. Eddy says:

    Wow I am actually really loving that infield (except Ianetta). I usually do the 1B, OF, and 3B thing in the first 3 rounds and go with another OF in the 4th, but I’m gonna be on the lookout for Phillips!

    Good stuff!

  6. Real Tom says:

    I keep getting worried about steals when I mock draft. I draft a lot like you would (I think!) but your team looks light on steals. Am I wrong?

  7. mikey boy324 says:

    grey do you recommend drafting back to back pitchers in the 6th and 7th rounds as a strategy or is that just the way it worked out?

  8. Rollins1 says:

    Im planning on taking the catcher dive and taking whoever’s there in round 19 or 20. I am hoping that Ianetta is still there, but you took him much earlier. I guess that would leave me w/ Doumit or Pierzynski, which isnt bad for a late round catcher.
    You ended up with the only 2 short stops I would feel comfortable with if I didnt take one of the top 5 guys. Im considering passing on the top 5 and aiming for them, Im just worried that if I dont reach for them, I’ll miss out on them and end up w/ JJ Hardy or Alexie Ramirez. Neither of whom I would be comfortable w/. But if it were to work out the way you have it here, it would be ideal.
    You like taking backup closers late over young starters with upside eh? Id be tempted to grab Matusz or Tillman instead. Or maybe even a solid veteran like Penny.
    That said, I would love to have that team.

  9. mikey boy324 says:

    on another note i finally read that article on the 7-7 strategy where you draft 7 hitters in the first 7 rounds followed bye 7 pitchers 5 starters and 2 relievers i tried it out last night in a mock and actually liked my team a lot have you or has any1 actaully tried this in a real league and if so were you successfull?

  10. Frank Rizzo says:

    Looks good Grey. A couple questions. Do you feel you reached a little for Adam Jones (5th) and Ian Stewart (9th) or is that a pretty solid spot for those 2 value-wise in this format?

    Also, I’ve done quite a few mocks and like to go for as much top tier power (30+ HR potential) as I can early, filling my CI and UT spots earlier than usual with guys like Votto, Morales, and/or Berkman if they hang around too long. I end up taking 2b and SS later with guys like Ian Stewart, Andrus, and Escobar, and wait to fill in my OF with guys like Borbon, Rajai, and Juan Pierre to add late speed. Do you think this is a wise strategy or should you try to fill in your starting IF and OF as soon as possible?

  11. Bearsharktopus says:

    I’m a little bit curious about the Adam Jones inclusion. You’ve already got him significantly higher in your rankings (56) than his ADP (88 or so), but here you grabbed him after Phillips (your rank 37).

    Not completely understanding your rules, it seems like you passed up some higher-ranked players for Jonesy, including some other outfielders (Cruz, Quentin, maybe Ethier?) and a tier of good pitchers (Verlander, Lester, Wainwright).

    So is he moving up in your rankings even more? I agree with you that he’s not getting enough love. But you don’t have to buy the guy a dozen roses when you can have him for a box of conversation hearts.

  12. Dave says:

    Real Tom – Steals are ok. Kinsler, Reynolds, Reyes, Bartlett, Granderson should give me at least 100 – 125. Hoping for a bounce back for Reyes.

    Other notes on this league it is only an 8 team league.

    I am currently dangling Berkman and Cordero to a team that needs another 1B and RP help for Josh Johnson and Lackey. I don’t think it will go through but hopefully a starting point to get at least Johnson.

  13. Frank Rizzo says:

    Off subject question…..I’m sure this has been brought up before but I probably missed it…..where in the 2b rankings should we slot Gordon Beckham since he’s going to be the starting 2b this year with Teahen at 3b?

  14. pwire says:

    Grey or others… Looking for options…,
    As I stated earlier, I am in a league where we trade draft picks and play in a 5X5 roto with no MI/CI slot (still 2B/SS) 3 OF, 5 SP, 2RP 2 UP.

    I have the following board after making trades… I want to get a different opinion than mine and of course from you. Here are my picks up to 121. Could you tell me what direction you would go in, which is similar to your post. Overall Picks, not rounds…
    1,2,20,58,63,106,114,119,121? I never like to be the guy that asks these types of questions, but I truthfully respect the analysis of this site. Thanks.

  15. pwire says:

    By the way, 14 team mixed

  16. Stephen says:

    @mikey boy324: Where is this article. I couldn’t find it on the site.

  17. royce! says:

    The fantasy fantasy team is awesome, but I don’t see how it’s possible in a snake draft in which you picked first. If you picked Pujols first, you then have pick # 24 (just in time for Upton). You would then also have pick #25, and then not another pick for 24, right? Phillips would have to stick around until the 48th pick. He wouldn’t be there and you’d be stuck with Aaron Hill, if you still wanted to grab a 2B.

    I was thinking maybe if you drafted 6th you could take Teix instead of Pujols and then grab the next 3, but that would still require Phillips to be around at pick #42.

    Anyhow, this post is really helpful because it tells me that I should space out my OF picks. I keep bunching my picks, grabbing OF from rounds 4-7, and then moving on to pitchers, but I think I need to separate my OF picks in order to accommodate better pitching or MIs and later upside OF picks, such as Fowler, who seems to never get drafted. (For example, I did a MDC mock yesterday and ended up with Holliday, Granderson, BJ Upton, and Ethier. Then got Beckett and Hamels in the 7th and 8th. Stewart and Escobar ended up being my 2B and SS.)

  18. Anthony says:

    Mikeyboy –

    I’ve been pretty close to the 7-7 you explained and have had good success with it. I don’t stick to it so rigidly, but I’ve done pretty well with it.

    I generally follow the 7 offense guys rule. One league last year, I went 6-5 and I ended up dominating a pretty competitive league (though I won’t bet on A-Rod dropping to the 3rd round this year… )

    I even took it a bit further and refused to draft an early 1B. I was thinking that there would be a solid 1B available later in the draft, since it’s a relatively strong position.

    Lo and behold, Delgado didn’t work out… but that Kendry Morales pickup was a pretty good one ;)

  19. Grey

    Grey says:

    @cleaver596: I think the same thing as you, he should be watched in spring training.

    @Big Mike: Depends what’s rebound for Chipper this way, I have my projections for him under the top 20 3rd basemen.

    @Dave: Kinsler in the 3rd is pretty sweet, your pitching is a mess. I like the starters you have but you can’t go to battle with all that upside/downside.

    @matthole: Cool…

    @Eddy: Cool…

    @Real Tom: I count around 155 by doign low estimates on everyone. Not winning a league with that, but it’s not terrible. One good thing about this team is most guys are contributing something.

    @mikey boy324: Was the way it worked out, but I think it worked out okay.

    @Rollins1: I took Iannetta much earlier because I was constrained to my top 300. In your own draft, you can take him in the 22nd round. Eh, Alexei wouldn’t be that bad late. Better than reaching for Jeter in the 3rd round.

    @mikey boy324: Sounds like a novelty act.

    @Frank Rizzo: Probably reached on both, but I was using my top 300. In a real draft, I could never use my 300 that closely because it would mean everyone was using it exactly the same.

    @Frank Rizzo: I wouldn’t want a weak outfield. I try to have at least two outfielders in the first ten rounds.

    @Bearsharktopus: He’s not moving up my rankings, I just took one player from every 12 players, and he was it in the 5th round.

    @Frank Rizzo: He’s just above Stewart on the 3rd base list, so I’d put him the same on 2nd base.

    @pwire: Sorry, not following your question.

    @royce!: Aw, geez… I didn’t go along and pick exactly like in a snake draft. As I said in the post, I took 1st, 24th then one player from every 12. Gotta give me some lenience to account for other people drafting. Re: Your outfield drafting, every draft is different. Not necessarily bad, just need make sure your team’s balanced.

  20. Mikey boy324 says:

    It’s on the phantasy phenoms website my buddy is a member so I read the article I’m gonna see if I could copy and paste it if you guys don’t mind it’s pretty interesting and I used it in a mock and my team was pretty solid…

  21. Just Another Steve aka El Jefe says:

    As one of the South Side faithful, I cringed everytime Dotel or Jenks entered a game last season. Which made me pretty cringey.

    But now I’m just kinda crying to see that Dotel is five fantasy rounds better than Big Bobby. Wha.

  22. sean says:

    @Mikey boy324: Don’t want to step on the management’s toes, but the lawyer in me says please don’t cut and paste any copyrighted material from other paid sites here.

    7-7 sounds gimmicky. Any site that tells you to adhere too rigidly to a pre-determined strategy like that is not worth the money your buddy is paying. Drafting is all about extracting maximum value and you have to be able to adapt to do that…

  23. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Mikey boy324: Yeah, don’t copy someone else’s article into here. Seems pretty straightforward from how you’ve described it anyway.

  24. Cotton says:

    I’m joining a similar 5X5 league this year (first rotiss in years). I’m curious about all of your bench being pitchers. What’s your theory?

  25. sean says:

    @Grey: speaking of other material. FP911 posted today to consider avoiding an over-hyped Votto. I guess I can see the logic. There’s a pretty decent chance he’ll underperform his draft position in the middle of the third. Still, isn’t there something to be said about a third rounder, who even if he underperforms, turns out to be a top-50 player? I would think your goal in the first part of the draft is to minimize risk. For me, Votto is one of those players. 80/20/80/5/.280 isn’t a floor that’s going to kill you, and, if he has a career year, you just drafted Teixeira or Cabrera (100/30/115/10/.300) in the third round.

  26. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Cotton: If you get extra closers, you can trade them pretty easily.

    @sean: I don’t see how he’s going to disappoint unless he gets injured. Like you said, I’ll take a top fifty guy in the third round in every draft if I could get that guarantee…. Think sometimes people just like to say black when others say white to be contradictory. Votto’s a great talent, in a hitter’s park, in the prime of his career… Definitely, minimize risk.

  27. Pat says:

    Nice team Grey,
    I see you went power, power, power all the way from the start, and I agree that this is the best strategy this year. You are light on steals, but IMO there will be steal guys on waivers all year long. The only pick I really don’t like is Adam Jones. I also love the back to back of J Johnson and C. Lee to anchor your SP. I’ve been contemplating picking up 3 above average SP’s that can found from rounds 7-11 (Lee, Lester, Nolasco, Hamels, Beckett, etc.). Lastly, once again your fantasy fantasy team proves that you can get saves from a draft’s nether regions.

  28. Pirate Jesus says:

    @Grey: …so I’m in a tricky spot in a 2nd year dyno league. 5×5 H2H 10 teams, 20 keepers, 25 roster spots. 3OF, 2Util, 2RP, 2SP, 3P otherwise standard. I’ve got these guys to work with…

    McCann, Howard, Uggla, Drew, Kemp, McCutchen, Hunter, Beltran, Chris Davis, Cuddyer, Carlos Gonazalez.

    Lincecum, Felix, Greinke, Wainwright, Johan Santana, Tommy Hanson, Dempster, Shields, Harden, Bumgarner, Morrow, Qualls, Soriano.

    Which 4 would you drop in the case of no trade? Alternatively, what kind of package should I be looking to deal for a 3B, 2B, or SS upgrade?

  29. Eddy says:

    Was the J-Upside pick made with the assumption that Holliday was gone all ready?

  30. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Pat: Maybe a little light on steals, but soemone mentioned that above and I counted a conservative 155 for the team, so not terrible. And, like you said, there’s always saves and steals.

    @Pirate Jesus: Dempster, Shields, Cuddyer and Beltran… Deal Beltran, Cuddyer and a pitcher for Phillips, Gordon Beckham, Stewart or someone around that area in 2nd base.

  31. Stephen says:

    @sean: I just wanted to read the rationale for such a theory. However, now knowing that it’s from a paid site, my interest has waned.

  32. Mikey boy324 says:

    Ya it’s pretty str8 foward i def Agree you shouldn’t follow it exactly but it def goes to show that stacking up hitters early and then drafting pitchers Later seems to be the best strategy there’s a 50 percent turnover in the top 20 pitchers from last year compared to a 10 percent turnover for the top 10 hitters which is pretty telling on how much a crapshoot pitchers are…

  33. Martin says:

    I did a mock draft yesterday in a 12 team league. I had the 10th pick. This team is quite amazing. What do you think?

    1. Mark Teixeira (NYY – 1B)
    2. Troy Tulowitzki (Col – SS)
    3. Curtis Granderson (NYY – OF)
    4. Brandon Phillips (Cin – 2B)
    5. Justin Verlander (Det – SP)
    6. Jason Bay (NYM – OF)
    7. Cole Hamels (Phi – SP)
    8. Ricky Nolasco (Fla – SP)
    9. Hunter Pence (Hou – OF)
    10. Ian Stewart (Col – 2B,3B)
    11. Jay Bruce (Cin – OF)
    12. Gordon Beckham (CWS – 3B)
    13. Kevin Slowey (Min – SP)
    14. Jonathan Sánchez (SF – SP)
    15. Leo Núñez (Fla – RP)
    16. David Aardsma (Sea – RP)
    17. Garrett Jones (Pit – 1B,OF)
    18. Johnny Cueto (Cin – SP)
    19. Chris Iannetta (Col – C)
    20. Travis Snider (Tor – OF)

  34. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Mikey boy324: I think the top 20 pitchers last until around pick 100 and the top 20 hitters last until around pick 22, so there better be less turnover.

    @Martin: Yeah, that team is light on speed, but it might even be better than the team I have in this post. Really solid. Crazy Tex is lasting until the 10th pick. Love the pitching staff. Think I definitely like your staff better than the one I put in this post.

  35. Pete Rusaw says:

    How about this one?

    Picking #9

    C Mccann 4

    1b Votto 3

    2b Sizemore 20

    3b Wright 1

    ss Reyes 2

    mi Cabrera 16

    ci Cantu 19

    of Markakis 5

    of Beltran 7

    of Bruce 10

    of Pierre 15

    of Ludwick 18

    u Dye 21

    p Hamels 6

    p Billingsley 8

    p Gallardo 9

    p Hanson 11

    p Wagner 12

    p Franklin 13

    p Webb 14

    p Capps 17

    p Danks 20

    b Bedard 23

  36. Critter Nagurski says:

    I looked through the comments, but I didn’t see anyone bring up the use of your bench. I’ve only been reading about a year, and I have noticed an occasional comment about trading your saves early or picking up saves that are still on the board. Is that a strategy you always employ? I see how it can make more sense when all you have is P slots (I play in an SP/RP league), but it still seems noteworthy enough to ask about

    Can you talk about bench strategy a bit? I hate to request a post on it, but I have always just gone with breakout candidates to fill up my bench. Sometimes it works well – A Jones – sometimes it turns out to be a kick in the stones – Crispie.

    It seems to me that one player breaking out benefits your team much more than stashing solid backups. And I hate to draft with strategy that assumes a trade.

  37. Mikey boy324 says:

    That’s true i mean this is bye far the best fantasy baseball site out there I was just curious on the strategy and what peoples thoughts were cuz I was in 3 leagues last year and the 2 leagues I drafted pitching late I won 1 and came in second in the other and the 1 where I drafted pitching early I didn’t even make the playoffs…you were the one who got me drafting pithers later on I can never go back to drafting them early

  38. Frank Rizzo says:

    @Grey: Grey, back to waiting on OF vs power early…..I don’t ignore OF and would still have at least 2 in the 1st 10 rounds. I just really like the OF’s you can get in the middle rounds that can be had enough so that I’d be willing to wait on them. In mocks I do guys like Quentin, Adam Jones, BJ Upton, Choo, Rios, McCutchen, Ludwick, and CarGo slide. I typically end up with 3/4/5 of these guys as my OF in mocks when I go power heavy early.

  39. Tony says:

    Just did another Yahoo mock (the ranks are wild) i am putting together ridiculous teams. They need to get their crap together, mock was basically full… between the ranks and dumb dumbs i assembled a pretty good team, drafting from the 12th spot.

    1. Miggy
    2. Prince Fielder
    3. Reynolds (i’m finding in yahoo everyone is taking youk, zimm, and Panda letting reynolds there)
    4. CC
    5. Cruz (shoulda took hammy? he went int he 8th/1st pick)
    6 lester
    7. papelbon (not normal but i said F it)
    8. kershaw
    9. cargo
    10. stewart
    11. Quentin
    12. Monterero
    13. Price
    14. reimold
    15. Pierre
    16. Everth
    17. Phil Hughes
    18. travis snider
    19. Lidge
    20. capps

    and by now i’m justbored…. what do you think? this is just ridiculous… yahoo needs to do something to make their mocks better, because these are a joke, no way i assemble a team like this in my competitive money league.

  40. Cheese

    Cheese says:

    @Grey: I’m in a 2 catcher league with 16 teams. How would you approach catchers in this draft?

  41. Tony says:

    @grey, what do you think if in my real draft everyone jumps on zimm, panda and youk I have to take REYNOLDS if he’s there in the 3rd rd?

    Same thing with $12 salads, if they’re falling to the 8th round? I mean come on…. there’s value in an 8th round broxton, papelbon, nathan or moRiv?

  42. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Pete Rusaw: Both Reyes and Pierre are unnecessary. Reyes would’ve been enough. Overall, your outfield looks like it might be a sore spot on your team, could be just your choice of Beltran. Also, a bunch of question marks in your starters.

    @Critter Nagurski: You can never have too many saves. Top guys break down, other teams need saves so you trade them, closers at the end of a draft end up giving decent value. Think about the scrambling that goes on when someone loses the closing job. Much more likely to get lucky with a middle reliever or poor closer at the end of the draft then, say, a Michael Brantley type.

    @Frank Rizzo: If you can get them later, then it’s better than me drafting them earlier.

    @Tony: Sounds like Panda’s the one that’s being overvauled. Panda’s upside is 25 homers and 7 steals, obviously Reynolds is still better than that even with a .240 average. I don’t mind Pierre but you can’t own him and someone like Everth. Too much SAGNOF.

  43. Tony says:

    @Grey: YA i know i had to take everth to fill my SS, so Pierre was overkill, but this was a H2H league….. so if one week everth isnt running but pierre is it might still be handy….

    Ya reynolds in the 3rd/4th is a good value I think. In the 2nd not so much, but i almost feel i HAVE to come out of the first 3 rounds with a 1b/3b and whatever…. so if he’s the last 3B standing…. i’m taking him.

  44. Real Tom says:

    What is the earliest one can take Stewart and still call him a value pick?

    Also, what should I look for in a draft to know when I should grab him (what second basemen or third basemen go immediately before Stewart?)

    I want Dotel and Stewart in just about every draft, so I want to know how early I have to grab them.

  45. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Tony: Ah, yeah, H2H is a bit different beast.

    @Real Tom: 2nd round! Oh, wait, no, probably not. 9th to 10th rounds. Uggla probably goes around the same time as him.

  46. royce! says:

    Okay, I made my own fantasy fantasy team using your rankings. I drafted 6th so that I could just add 12 to figure out where I would be starting in each round. For some reason (perhaps my idiocy) it didn’t turn out as well as I had expected. Perhaps because I limited myself to picking from the next 12 in the rankings. Well, plus the idiocy. Anyhow…

    C- Soto (11)
    1B- Teixeira (1)
    2B- Phillips (3)
    SS- Reyes (2)
    3B- Stewart (8)
    MI- Escobar (16)
    CI- De Rosa (22)
    OF- Lind (4)
    OF- Adam Jones (5)
    OF- Reimold (12)
    OF- Snider (15)
    OF- FraGu (18)

    P-Hamels (6)
    P- Kershaw (7)
    P- Marmol (9)
    P-Garza (10)
    P- Wagner (13)
    P- De la Rosa (14)
    P- Sanchez (17)
    P- Jenks (19)
    P- Wolf (20)

    BN- Floyd (21)
    BN- Brandon Wood (23)
    BN- Lilly (24)

    I think my last Yahoo mock would beat this team hands down:

    C- Montero (14)
    1B- Teixeira (1)
    1B- Robot Jones (17)
    2B- Stewart (9)
    3B- Zimmerman (3)
    3B- Chris Davis (21)
    SS- Andrus (10)
    OF- Holliday (2)
    OF- Granderson (4)
    OF- Werth (5)
    OF- Rios (13)
    OF- Fowler (23)

    P- Lester (6)
    P- Hamels (7)
    P- Nolasco (8)
    P- David Aardsma (11)
    P- Francisco Cordero (12)
    P- Wagner (15)
    P- Price (16)
    P- Franklin (18)
    P- Scherzer (19)
    P- Mat Latos (20)
    P- Liriano (22)

    Assuming I’m right that the latter would beat the former, this shows: 1. Your rankings are best employed in relation to the default rankings of whatever system you’re using (so that one can draft for value); and, 2. Yahoo mocks are the most fantastical aspect of fantasy baseball. It’s like playing Tetris and only getting the four in a row pieces.

  47. Grey

    Grey says:

    @royce!: Nice Tetris analogy. Yeah, I think you’re best to use my rankings vs. other systems. That’s really what they’re made for. Saying, okay, Grey has Adam Jones in the 5th. Yahoo has him in the 12 (?), so I can wait until the 10th still get Jones and still get value.

  48. sean says:

    @Critter Nagurski: if you search for the PEDS (Performance Enhancing Draft Strategy) posts from the last couple of years, it will explain why Grey’s bench is always full of pitching…

  49. Mikey boy324 says:

    Grey what’s the absolute earliest and latest your willing to draft a pitcher?

  50. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Mikey boy324: Well, earliest would be Lincecum in the 3rd, but that’s not happening. Realistically, I’d take a pitcher in the 5th (around pick 60) and the latest would be around the 8th round (around pick 90).

  51. tim says:

    C Chris Iannetta 15
    1B Justin Morneau 2
    2B Ian Stewart 9
    3B Alex Rodriguez 1
    SS Alcides Escobar 16
    MI Rickie Weeks 12
    CI Ryan Zimmerman 3
    OF Adam Jones 5
    OF Andrew McCutchen 10
    OF Jay Bruce 11
    OF Michael Bourn 14
    OF Ryan Ludwick 18
    UT Cameron Maybin 20
    P Johan Santana 4
    P Cole Hamels 6
    P Clayton Kershaw 7
    P Mariano Rivera 8
    P Billy Wagner 13
    P Jonathan Sanchez 17
    P Brad Lidge 19
    P Brett Anderson 21
    P J.A. Happ 22
    B Chris Tillman 23
    B Matt Lindstrom 24
    B Erik Bedard 25

  52. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Cheese: I’d want a top 5 catcher and take a flier late.

    @tim: Nice team… Bourn and Maybin aren’t similar, but I feel safer with Maybin’s speed upside, so I would’ve probably took Snider instead of Maybin, or someone like that. Ludwick seems to work there. Love the top half of your offense. Kershaw’s overkill. Johan and Hamels would be enough. Then there’s a lot of AL pitching fliers at the end, when I’d try for NL.

  53. Cheese

    Cheese says:

    @Grey: How early should I be targetting a top 5 catcher? Here are my overall rankings of the top 5 catchers…

    Mauer (16)
    McCann (19)
    Martinex (24)
    Wieters (36)
    Soto (80)

    Sound reasonable of when to target them?

  54. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Cheese: As long as you only get one, sure. But Wieters seems like he’s about 2 rounds too high.

  55. Tony says:

    @royce!: Yahoo is really doing a number on my predraft thoughts. Had all these ideas, which are now shot to hell and back…. but with them ranking all the HUGE 1B bats so late, i’m guaranteed one of them. They helped me with my first two picks but rounds 3 and 4 now are bezerk….

    Does anyone know if they’ll gradually adjust them or is that how they’re staying?

  56. Scoot says:

    This is a great idea. The only problem with this is Grey is drafting against Grey. I think I’m going to try this vs Yahoo’s ADP and see what I come up with since some schmoe will draft Beltran in the 5th or Johan in the 2nd occasionally. Great article Grey.

  57. Paulie Allnuts

    Paulie Allnuts says:


    Using your Top 300 (with a bullet!) as a faithful guideline, this is how I drafted on a Yahoo Mock Draft. My assessment is that I am a little bit weak in SP.

    Thanks in advance for your expertise.


    Mark Teixeira (NYY – 1B) (1)
    Ian Stewart (Col – 2B,3B) (9)
    José Reyes (NYM – SS) (3)
    Ryan Zimmerman (Was – 3B) (4)
    Miguel Montero (Ari – C) (14)
    Matt Holliday (StL – OF) (2)
    Curtis Granderson (NYY – OF) (5)
    Andre Ethier (LAD – OF) (7)


    Jon Lester (Bos – SP) (6)
    Matt Garza (TB – SP) (10)
    Stephen Strasburg (Was – SP) (12)
    David Price (TB – SP) (15)
    Clay Buchholz (Bos – SP) (17)
    Phil Hughes (NYY – SP,RP) (22)
    Max Scherzer (Det – SP) (19)


    Jonathan Papelbon (Bos – RP) (8)
    Billy Wagner (Atl – RP) (16)
    Ryan Franklin (StL – RP) (21)

  58. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Scoot: Yeah, you might be right there.

    @Paulie Allnuts: Hmm… Well, that is a three outfielder league, so you’re cheating. I like your hitting much better than your starters. You have all AL pitchers and one minor leaguer. Then you have five AL East pitchers. Seems like you’re courting disaster.

  59. Paulie Allnuts

    Paulie Allnuts says:

    @Grey: Oh, wow! I didn’t even notice the plethora of American league pitchers. That’s why I do mocks. and I forgot to mention my bench as well…


    Clint Barmes (Col – 2B,SS) (18)
    Carlos Quentin (CWS – OF) (11)Chris Davis (Tex – 1B,3B) (13)
    Chris Davis (Tex – 1B,3B) (13)
    Chris Davis (Tex – 1B,3B) (13)

    Russell Branyan (Sea – 1B) (23)

  60. Paulie Allnuts

    Paulie Allnuts says:

    Gosh, am I scatterbrained today…

    @Grey: BENCH


    Clint Barmes (Col – 2B,SS) (18)
    Carlos Quentin (CWS – OF) (11)
    Chris Davis (Tex – 1B,3B) (13)
    Russell Branyan (Sea – 1B) (23)

  61. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Paulie Allnuts: Though you know you’re supposed to stock your bench with pitchers not hitters.

  62. Josh says:

    C- Suzuki (22)
    1B- Howard (1)
    2B- Phillips (4)
    SS- Everth Cabrera (17)
    3B- Wright (2)
    CI- Votto (3)
    MI- Stewart (9)
    OF- Adam Jones (5)
    OF- Adam Dunn (6)
    OF- Jay Bruce (11)
    OF- Reimold (12)
    OF- Borbon (16)
    UT- Blanks (20)

    P- Jimenez (7)
    P- Wandy (8)
    P- Jered Weaver (10)
    P- Andrew Bailey (13)
    P- Jorge de La Rosa (14)
    P- Webb (15)
    P- Jenks (18)
    P- Qualls (19)
    P- Anderson (21)

    Dunn in the 6th maybe should’ve been switched for a pitcher, but I think I’m okay anyway. I’m counting on Borbon for a lot of speed, and maybe should’ve gone with Choo for 20 steals, but I think acquiring speed on waivers is a lot easier than power.

  63. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Josh: You know how I feel about Webb, but that’s a solid team. Like the EverCab, Borbon and Reimold picks a lot. And there’s nothing to not like about your first 5 picks.

  64. Josh says:

    Yeah, actually the EverCab was only put there after Fun with Numbers today. Otherwise I probably would’ve reached on Andrus. And even though you aren’t a Webb fan, in the 15th I think his upside is worth it. In real leagues I doubt he falls past the 12th before somebody pulls the trigger on him, and if that is the case it won’t be me. I was disappointed when I got to Cabrera on your rankings and he went the same round as Sanchez, but I needed to fill SS there.

  65. Pete Rusaw says:

    Draft position #1

    C Mauer 2
    1b Pujols 1
    2b I Stewart 9
    3b Zimmerman 3
    ss E Cabrera 16
    mi E Young 21
    ci B Wood 23
    of Quentin 5
    of Beltran 7
    of McCutcheon 10
    of Bruce 11
    of Pierre 15
    u Francour 24
    p Verlander 4
    p J. Johnson 6
    p Billingsley 8
    p Webb 14
    p J Sanchez 17
    p F Liriano 18
    p Qualls 19
    p Dotel 13
    p Wagner 12
    b Floyd 20
    b W. Davis 22
    b Rivera 25

    Whaddayathink of this one, Grey? Much better than my first one. I know you don’t like Mauer much, but I picked him over Upton because I thought I could get better second tier outfielders than catchers. Plus Mauer’s avg is a pretty big deal– IMO. I may be a little weak on steals, but the power is good and the starting pitching is solid. Only 3 closers, but I can likely pick up cheap saves during the season or trade some power for them, if necessary…

  66. Real Tom says:

    Grey, I was trying to reach for most of my players to see how possible it is to get all the players I want. Would these first 20 picks be possible in a twelve team league with reasonably smart folks?

    Would it be a decent team?

    1. Howard (1B)
    2. Tulo (SS)
    3. Votto (CI)
    4. Lind (OF)
    5. Jones (OF)
    6. Nolasco (P)
    7. Billingsley (P)
    8. Stewart (3B)
    9. Bruce (OF)
    10. R. Soriano (RP)
    11. Reimold (OF)
    12. Hart (OF)
    13. Dotel (RP)
    14. Feliz (SP)
    15. Snider (OF)
    16. A. Escobar (SS) (if not, I go with EverCab)
    17. J. Sanchez (SP)
    18. Liriano (SP)
    19. Qualls (RP)
    20. Sizemore (2B) (if not, go with E. Young Jr.)
    21. Schmohawk Catcher that’s left

  67. Real Tom says:

    Hey Grey, are these picks likely? I drafted a lot of people early to guarantee that they would be there, wondering how it would hurt my later rounds. I know it’s good to be flexible in a draft, but would these players be available in the rounds that I’m picking? I used your list as a guide.

    1. Howard (1B)
    2. Tulo (SS)
    3. Votto (CI)
    4. Lind (OF)
    5. Jones (OF)
    6. Nolasco (P)
    7. Billingsley (P)
    8. Stewart (2B)
    9. Bruce (OF)
    10. R. Soriano (RP)
    11. Reimold (OF)
    12. Hart (OF)
    13. Dotel (RP)
    14. Feliz (SP)
    15. Snider (OF)
    16. A. Escobar (MI) (or Sanchez here and wait for EverCab)
    17. J. Sanchez (SP)
    18. Liriano (SP) (might be gone here, based on all the hype)
    19. Qualls (RP)
    20. Gordon (3B)
    21. Schmohawk Catcher that’s left

    At this point, I would try to grab whatever relievers and possible closers I could, knowing that there’s very little left.

  68. Real Tom says:

    Sorry, the only diff between the two is that Stewart can be 2b or 3b, meaning i go for Sizemore or Gordon at the end. I didn’t mean to post that thing twice though.

  69. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Pete Rusaw: Pierre’s okay, but try and get steals from your middle infielders, Beltran could kill your team, great pitching staff though… Only problem is it might be a little too good of a staff. Bills doesn’t seem necessary there since you have Johnson and Verlander.

    @Real Tom: I don’t think the first three picks are going to be possible, but it depends on the draft. Real nice staff though, good base with solid upside fliers.

  70. Dustin says:

    This Team is really good. I had the 10 pick in a 12 person league what do you think.

    1. Tim Lincecum (SF – SP)
    2. Mark Teixeira (NYY – 1B)
    3. Víctor Martínez (Bos – C,1B)
    4. Brian Roberts (Bal – 2B)
    5. Michael Young (Tex – 3B)
    6. Justin Verlander (Det – SP)
    7. Torii Hunter (LAA – OF)
    8. Shane Victorino (Phi – OF)
    9. Heath Bell (SD – RP)
    10. Jered Weaver (LAA – SP)
    11. Brian Wilson (SF – RP)
    12. Brandon Webb (Ari – SP)
    13. Brian Fuentes (LAA – RP)
    14. Brad Hawpe (Col – OF)
    15. Miguel Tejada (Bal – SS)
    16. James Loney (LAD – 1B)
    17. Garrett Jones (Pit – 1B,OF)
    18. Scott Kazmir (LAA – SP)
    19. Juan Pierre (CWS – OF)
    20. Gerardo Parra (Ari – OF)
    21. Mike González (Bal – RP)
    22. A.J. Pierzynski (CWS – C)
    23. Martín Prado (Atl – 1B,2B,3B)

  71. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Dustin: I think your offense is pretty lacking. I’d punt Hawpe, Young, Tejada, Loney, Prado and Pierre. But these things happen when you take too much top shelf pitching and V-Mart, Roberts and Young are three of your first four hitters. You would be pretty solid on average. Potentially.

  72. Dustin says:

    You forgot about Tex, Hunter and Victorino.. I agree the bench is lacking a little bit but the team is sold except for the SS position. You can not bet the pitching and the hitting is solid.

  73. tim says:

    C Bengie Molina 16
    1B Ryan Howard 1
    2B Ian Kinsler 2
    SS Alexei Ramirez 10
    3B Ryan Zimmerman 3
    MI Rickie Weeks 12
    CI Paul Konerko 18
    OF Josh Hamilton 4
    OF Adam Jones 5
    OF Jay Bruce 11
    OF Michael Bourn 14
    OF Travis Snider 15
    UT Kyle Blanks 20
    P Josh Johnson 6
    P Clayton Kershaw 7
    P Mariano Rivera 8
    P Yovani Gallardo 9
    P Billy Wagner 13
    P Jonathan Sanchez 17
    P Brad Lidge 19
    P Rich Harden 21
    P Derek Lowe 22
    B Chris Tillman 23
    B Matt Lindstrom 24
    B Erik Bedard 25

    Hey Grey, I like this team a lot more than my first one. What do you think of this one?

  74. Grey

    Grey says:

    @tim: I like this team’s offense, but you need Weeks and Bourn to produce. It’s a small quibble, there’s always going to be question marks. I don’t like Bedard, Harden and Lowe. I wouldn’t penalize you for one of them, but all three together makes me shudder.

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