Late in the season, when it appeared like Eloy Jimenez might be called up, I said he was putting his finishing touches on his Roy Hobbs’ Halloween costume.  Maybe I was saying that because he was tearing the cover off the ball, maybe I heard something about the following clip I’m about to share or maybe I really am a prescient witch — preswich?  Either way, watch this:

In case you’re not seeing how far the ball is going, I got a little secret for you to judge the ball’s trajectory.  After his first swing, the ball smashes the light tower!  Okay, he is Roy Hobbs.  It’s such a whatever swing for him, before the ball hits the light tower, he’s already hit another home run!  That’s right, that’s not a GIF of one swing, it’s of two swings!  He swings and the ball travels so far that he’s able to swing and hit another home run before the first ball smashes the light tower!  Sure, it was a home run derby, but are you kidding me?  Have you seen home run derbies before?  Guys are exhausted after they hit a home run and are asking for time outs and calling up Bryce Harper’s dad for tips way before they hit another home run!  But Eloy hits the light tower, pulls the bat back and hits another home run!  Seriously WUT.  *feels lightheaded* I need to sit down; Eloy’s got me shook!  Anyway, what can we expect from Eloy Jimenez for 2019 fantasy baseball?

The question is really, Eloy Jimenez or Vladimir Guerrero Jr.?  Long term I want to say Vlad all day, e’eryday, but even if that feels like a slam dunk right now that could become a question mark during certain seasons of their career.  It does not feel clearcut at all.  I bet there are years when Eloy is ranked above Vlad and vice versa.  Likely more vice versa than versa vice, but I’m reminded of Kris Bryant and Anthony Rizzo.  During Bryant’s rookie year, everyone would’ve said him over Rizzo always and forever, Peabo Bryson.  Now?  I don’t know.  Shoot (not you, Dick Cheney!), I’m trying to figure out Eloy or Vlad right now.  Or rn, if you’re in a rush or a 12-year-old girl.  Their numbers are crazy similar.  Eloy hit 10 HRs and .317 in Double-A.  That was below Vlad.  But then Eloy hit 12 HRs and .355 in Triple-A, which bested Vlad.  Eloy’s older (21 vs. 19), but that could mean better things for him in 2019.  Then again, Acuña and Chi-Ali say age is just a number.  Then again again, Chi-Ali is in jail and Acuña has a mustache over his N, which makes him GOD.  Finally, Eloy could be ticketed to start the year with the White Sox, which immediately makes me more interested, but maybe the White Sox suppress him further.  I don’t know!  Stop suppressing me, father!  Wait, what?  I almost want to make a Twitter poll and ask people Eloy or Vlad in 2019, but I would never listen to a poll of a thousand random people on Twitter.  Thinking Vlad over Eloy, but this might be a game time decision in my 2019 rankings.  I trust y’all more than Twitter polls, so if you want to weigh in on which you think you prefer, I’m all ears like Alfred E. Neuman.  Unlike Acuña and similar to Vlad, Eloy provides little to no speed — I mean, look at him swing the bat, he looks like he never wants to run around the bases ever — so Eloy’s going to be less valuable than Acuña was this past year, but could be a top 30 outfielder.  For 2019, I’ll give him the projections 58/22/64/.291/1 in 472 ABs.

  1. Ante Galic says:
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    Grey!!!

    Another great fantasy write-up. That’s two back-to-back! Keep the hits comin’!!

    a. So in a 2019 redraft RCL if you shore up SBs elsewhere (looking for a big year from Roman Quinn at #200), who would you most want at pick #77? VGJ or Eloy or both. VGJ at 77 and Eloy at like 90?

    b. Where do you think Machado will end up?

    c. Where do you think Harper will end up?

    d. Might have to re-think the quote of the day for 2019. Initially I proposed WC Fields but his content is not really useful for 2019, more like for 1920. He jokes about children a lot (pretty tasteless) and some people may be offended by his jokes about women. So a few options ensue.

    1. Thomas Jefferson quote of the day

    2. Benjamin Franklin quote of the day

    3. Master Confucius quote of the day (this is my favorite so far)

    4. Any other suggestions? I knew you said comedy but…

    e. Mark Twain quote of the day for October 30

    They spell it Vinci and pronounce it Vinchy; foreigners always spell better than they pronounce.

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ante Galic: A. Likely, but that’s what I was getting at in the post, it might not be that clearcut B. Phils C. Nats D. Hmm… Gotcha… 4. What about song lyrics? Too far away from original mission? E. Haha

    • Dave D says:
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      @Ante Galic:

      Ambrose Bierce?

      • Ante Galic says:
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        @Grey: Grey!!

        Just shooting joy like the care bears.

        Not a headhunter, still looking for a job.

        Cheers,
        Ante

        • Ante Galic says:
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          @Ante Galic: Grey!

          By the by, did you get paid yet for the new Magnum P.I. series? Can’t believe you turned down the offer.

          Cheers,
          Ante

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            I’m just working on it as a consultant

            • Ante Galic says:
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              @Grey: Grey!!

              You’re the ‘stache’ stunt double!

              Cheers,
              Ante

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                I’m in my cherry red convertible right now, zooming!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          What if you’re new job was headhunting? Staring gift horse here?

          • Ante Galic says:
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            @Grey: Grey!!

            Lol, I don’t have the credentials to be a headhunter.

            Cheers,
            Ante

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              You put that link in here like a pro!

              • Ante Galic says:
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                @Grey: Grey!

                I’m really sorry to have put that link in here, your hallowed site. Please accept my apologies. I only wanted to do good.

                Cheers,
                Ante

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Ha, no worries…

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              That’s all you, Ante!

            • Ante Galic says:
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              @Dave D: Dave

              Thanks, that’d be Development Associate. A FT job nevertheless. Thanks a lot, man. You are very kind.

              Cheers,
              Ante

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                Haha

  2. Ryno says:
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    If you don’t think either will be useful on the basepaths, and you think their power is about equal, doesn’t this come down to basically the hit tool and opportunity?

    If so, who has a) the better overall hit tool (not just power) and b) who will get more ABs?

    I like me some Eloy but between the 3B eligibility and the scouted overall better hit tool, I’ll go Vladdy.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ryno: A. Vlad B. That’s the issue

  3. Dave D says:
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    Well, if it were at the same ADP I’d go with Vladdy, but given the hype-meter push of having Vladdy Sr. as his name sake, I think Eloy will probably be a more likely pick for me. I can imagine someone taking Vlad at #50 overall. I’d rather have a solid veteran there like Rendon, Rizzo, Khris Davis, etc.

    The real question to me is where will there be value at ADP? I grabbed Acuña last year at #79 overall and it was a good value. But, as you noted, he steals bags. These two are like Soto. But if Soto is available I’m taking him over either of these guys. With his plate discipline I’m confident he’ll rarely have a slump and will likely hit .300+ most years…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Dave D: Soto I think might be gone in the top 40! I think Vlad goes way before Eloy, and I don’t know if it’ll make sense for 2019… For their careers, yes, Vlad seems better, two extra years alone helps

      • Dave D says:
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        @Grey:

        You’d think I’d like Vladdy Jr. As an Angel fan but I didn’t like his dad. Though he was tremendously gifted and a decent personality, he had a terrible plate approach that negatively influenced his impressionable teammates. Not many players can have success constantly swing at pitches outside the strike zone. That weakness of his was fully exploited by good pitchers in the playoffs which is why, in my view, he and his Angels team never had success in the playoffs.

        Anyway, there’s my rant. It’s hard for me to separate the two Vladdys. At this rate I think Ill observe the first year and seek other bats unless his ADP somehow unexpectedly undervalues him

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Having a hard time blaming Vlad for what his teammates might’ve done… They could do what they wanted to do… Tho, Vlad Jr. likely was influenced by his old man…

          • Dave D says:
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            @Grey:

            Well, a good batting coach would have said “Vladdy has the talent to hit a ball in the dirt over the fence, you(Juan Rivera) don’t. Take that pitch!” There was no adult supervision however (I’m looking st you Mickey Hatcher). Vlad was the older brother smoking weed, starting fires, but had the finesse to avoid trouble. Little brother’s friends always got caught mimicking friends older brother. Its not about blame, just influence and lack of good adult supervision.

            I rest my case, your honor.

            • Grey

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              Haha, fair enough… Could’ve totally been the case, no denying that… Just saying it shouldn’t have been the case, if these players were any good, so hard for me to blame Vlad… Like blaming older brother totally for younger brother smoking weed… There’s gotta be some responsibility for the younger brother…

              • Dave D says:
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                @Grey:

                We all know the buck stopped with the Sciosciapath. The same guy who loved relievers with a high WHIP.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Will miss the Sciosciapath… No one enjoyed a reliever with a 1.50+ WHIP than him

                  • Dave D says:
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                    @Grey:

                    Yep. Now the Ausmus era begins. I’m reserving judgment for now. He didn’t seem all that great in DET, but he is smart and hopefully learns from past mistakes. He was a good defensive catcher at least. Doesn’t hurt that he’s 1/2 Jewish like you either. Seems like a good combo. Maybe eventually he meets Kapler in the WS for a semitic showdown. I won’t hold my breath waiting though.

                    • Grey

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                      Ha… Ausmus feels like such a whatever hire, I’m finding myself struggling to get excited about him in any way, negatively or positively…

  4. ChiCitySox23 says:
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    As a Sox fan that happens to have Vlad on my dynasty roster, I love this debate.

    If I had to guess, Eloy will spend his 1-2 weeks in AAA and be called up to get the extra year of team control. (Baseball needs to fix this, its the right move for the team, but hurts fans) I could see Vlad spend more time in AAA like you referenced yesterday. So possible Eloy has the better first year just because he gets more ABs.

      • Harley Earl says:
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        @Grey: Totally agree with this. Was going to post my own reply and explanation but ChiCitySox23 is so on the mark here that all I need to do is agree. Well said.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yup

  5. Peacecoast says:
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    Really digging Bodyguard. only 2 episodes in.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’m 3 episodes in, it’s great! Forgot to tell you, you should watch Rake next…Also on Netflix…

  6. jose says:
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    As an Eloy owner in my dynasty league and with Vlad being owned by one of the top teams in the league, I’m sure hoping Eloy is the 1A long term! He was the right add for me when I picked him up at the end of 2017. My team has plenty of “hitters” Bryant, Freeman, Suarez, T Turner, Albies, Acuna, Goldshmidt. I need Eloy to drop bombs! Not to call Vlad merely a hitter, but Eloy gets the bump in the power grade, no?

    As far as redraft goes, do you give any weight to Eloy playing in the AL Central vs the AL East? For 2019 I’d say the Central should have weaker pitching.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Eloy seems like he can beat Vlad in power, yeah, while losing to him in multiple other categories from year to year… Not necessarily in 2019 tho… Al Central’s pitching isn’t that much worse than AL East…

      • jose says:
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        @Grey: Evidently, after 3 years of commenting, I still don’t know what I’m doing. See reply below. (Slaps forehead in disappointment)

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha, yeah, I saw it…No problem

  7. jose says:
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    For sure on the categories. I should have mentioned the keeper league is a points league, bleh…but it’s the original league I joined and it’s a tough league. HRs are king in the league for offensive points, as they are guaranteed to collect other points like runs and rbi’s.

    I didn’t think you’d lend much weight to the different leagues. Draft day I probably wouldn’t either, but in October I thought it was worth the question.

    Out of curiosity I did look up HRs allowed by each team and threw out each players respective team. AL East gave up 751 HRs and the AL Central gave up 819. Baltimore was 1st our of all teams, but then the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays all finished 19, 20, and 25th respectively. For the Central, Detroit came in at 4th, KC 6th, Clevland 8th, and Min 9th.

    I know it’s really all anecdotal as there is plenty of turnover from year to year and the amount of extra games played with in-division teams is a relatively small sample size, but, again, fun to look at as we skip on out of October.

    Thanks Grey!

    • Grey

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      No worries… Yeah, I do think it’s anecdotal, and Orioles are a great team to hit against, but what if Vlad is sidelined for one Orioles series and Eloy and the White Sox go to Cincy and he kills Reds pitching? See, it’s all kinda here or there with opponent pitching — Plus trades this offseason as you said with turnover

  8. Dave D says:
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    Ok, so that’s it, I’m going with an OF of Acuña, Soto, Jimenez, (fill-in-blank), (fill-in-blank). Vladdy at 3B.

    Anybody else? Maybe I should go with a roster of all under-25 position players, with all over-25 pitchers.

    What do you think of that strategy, Grey? What should I call it?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sounds like a plan that would be illegal Human Resources hiring practices… Maybe we should call it The HR Handbook

  9. LenFuego says:
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    For me, Eloy is more certain to hit for power and Vlad for average. With Eloy, I am thinking of prime Encarnacion, and with Vlad, I am thinking of Chipper Jones with less walks.

    • Grey

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      That’s a fair assessment, and I don’t think you’re wrong short term, but Vlad (so young) could become as good with power as Eloy while also having the average…

  10. Dave D says:
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    Another NFBC draft completed:

    PreMature DC Draft results….

    First Round-

    1. Mike Trout
    2. Mookie Betts
    3. Blake Snell
    4. Christian Yelich
    5. Francisco Lindor
    6. Jose Ramirez
    7. Max Scherzer
    8. Ronald Acuna Jr.
    9. JD Martinez
    10. Javier Baez
    11. Bryce Harper
    12. Nolan Arenado
    13. Alex Bregman
    14. Corey Kluber
    15. Jose Altuve

    DOUGHBOYS
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    SECOND ROUND

    1. Jake deGrom
    2. Trea Turner
    3. Trevor Story
    4. Chris Sale
    5. Aaron Judge
    6. Adalberto Mondesi
    7. Manny Machado
    8. Giancarlo Stanton
    9. Charlie Blackmon
    10. Andrew Benintendi
    11. Paul Goldschmidt
    12. Freddy Freeman
    13. Aaron Nola
    14. Gerrit Cole
    15. Juan Soto

    ROUND 3

    1. Whit Merrifield
    2. Trevor Bauer
    3. Rhys Hoskins
    4. Justin Verlander
    5. Luis Severino
    6. Walker Buehler
    7. Clayton Kershaw
    8. Carlos Carrasco
    9. Ozzie Albies
    10. Anthony Rizzo
    11. Edwin Diaz
    12. Starling Marte
    13. Cody Bellinger
    14. Gleyber Torres
    15. Kris Bryant

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      So confused, are you saying someone took Blake Snell third overall!? Someone drafted Mondesi in the 2nd round?!

      • Dave D says:
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        @Grey:

        Yes and yes.

        Holy sh*t. These are money leagues too.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I don’t get it, is it bc it’s so early, these people are clueless or is this indicative of something?

          • Dave D says:
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            @Grey:

            I think it’s indicative of what some people will do. I agree with you on Mondesi. Great potential but too much risk with K/BB that he could be 2016 Peraza or Hamilton to be a reasonable risk there. I would much rather have Trea.

            Some gamble or speculate more than others. I’m out on Mondesi and Guerrero because they are going to be drafted based on the most optimistic returns which are improbable.

            • Grey

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              Yeah, I don’t mind upside gambles, but Mondesi’s price there is way too expensive for my blood… I’m thinking three to four rounds after that… The Royals give no baseline on counting stats either… It’s tough to see him that high… Trea is a lock for 15/35, easy…

              • Dave D says:
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                @Grey:

                I mean , think of ’17 with Judge, Bellinger, Hoskins, Olson. When rookies far exceed expectations, especially in small sample sizes, does it ever carry over at the same levelinto the next season?

                • Grey

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                  Everyone’s different (easy way to get out of that)… I think I ranked Bellinger too high going into this year, and I think everyone ranked Judge too high except me… So much risk, so not worth the 2nd round pick in so many instances…

  11. Baller McCheese says:
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    If I am a White Sox homer, how outrageous would it be to use a 6th round pick on Eloy? Standard 12 team keeper league.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      How many do you keep?

      • Baller McCheese says:
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        @Grey: @Grey: Keep up to 6 at cost of that round’s pick. Harper, Altuve, Kershaw, Snell, Bauer will 1-5. (I know, I know, three starting pitchers. I’ll probably try to trade one, but we deal with the value we got.) I can keep Eloy as my 6th. Next best options would be Pham, Brantley, Castellanos.

        Right or wrong, it’s not hard to imagine Eloy as a consensus 8th rounder come draft day, especially if he has a good spring. Squint your eyes, sprinkle some optimism, factor in that there are other Sox fans in the league, and…? Or am I at the point where I need to go see a doctor about this Sox boner?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, I think Eloy is a keeper for you with those other options… I’d see if could trade one (or two) of your SPs too

          • Baller McCheese says:
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            @Grey: Thanks for the reply!

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Of course!

  12. Dave D says:
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    DOUGHBOYS
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    ROUND 4

    1. Xander Bogaerts
    2. Noah Syndergaard
    3. Patrick Corbin
    4. Craig Kimbrel
    5. Khris Davis
    6. Miguel Andujar
    7. Carlos Correa
    8. Vladimir Guerrero Jr.
    9. Madison Bumgarner
    10. Jean Segura
    11. George Springer
    12. Anthony Rendon
    13. Jameson Taillion
    14. Mike Foltynewicz
    15. Eugenio Suarez

    • Grey

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      There is so much noise in these results, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of these guys fall a few rounds in the next few months… Then again, some of them I’d like to see in the 4th round, like Springer and Rendon… Some of these SPs tho, woof!

      • Dave D says:
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        @Grey:

        Yeah, Springer or Rendon there are solid. The more I think about Correa having back issues at 24 I am scared away. Im still looking for a big bat there. Maybe Davis too I guess, though UT is restrictive.

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