Last week I went into what in the heck was wrong with Cody Allen.  That Situation is still a little foggy, like everyone’s memory of your buddy’s bachelor party.  This week, it’s time to look at the side-flinging Steve Cishek.  Because when it gets down to it, closers are more interesting and they are basically that key piece in Jenga.  It starts with them and everything trickles downhill.  He has looked god awful and the Marlins are in full BBC, no not that BBC, the one that is bullpen-by-committee.  Mike Dunn, A.J. Ramos, and Bryan Morris are all the names being bantered around as in the mix.  None of those guys, minus Ramos, has the repertoire to be a closer. I am just calling it like I see it.  If you want my honest opinion, I think they should just let them all do a round-robin thumb wrestling tournament.  But seriously, who are they going to trust?  Mike Dunn has 4 career saves, Morris is a re-tread reclamation project, and Ramos has been touted as the next guy for two years and hasn’t even gotten serious late-inning high pressure looks.  So stay right there and hit that little red bar thingy for more holds and closers and bullpens… oh my.

So Cishek was drafted as everyone’s 1-2 RP, if I am wrong tell me so.  Carry over closers like him usually show signs of sucktitude or wearing down this early in the season by ending awfully the year previous.  That didn’t happen here.  He was unscored upon in 11 straight appearances and that basically lasted a calender month.  This year, he appears to me to just be mechanically screwed up, and this is causing his velocity to dip by 2-3 MPH on all his pitches.  He has also gone from being a 40%/30% GB/FB pitcher to the exact opposite, because he is falling behind in counts.  Listen, none of those things are fantastic for anyone who chucks a baseball with any consistency. You don’t just drastically change from a GB type pitcher to a FB pitcher without some horid results in between.  I think he needs to get some quality innings under him in no-pressure stitches. Let guys try who will probably blow up games just like he could have done, and then have Cishek look to reassert himself in the closer role down the line.  My vote of confidence for now is on A.J. Ramos.  My sleeper is Nick Masset, who seems to get overlooked, but hey he has the same career saves as Mike Dunn.

  • Jared Hughes is the new co-leader in holds and the Pirates should go look at what the Cardinals are going through after Jordan Walden pitched a ton early.  Pirates 33 games, Hughes 19 appearances.  Pirates 17 wins, Hughes 17 appearances with game tied or winning.  He is being overused.  Enjoy the stats now I hope he sustains his 100 games appeared pace.
  • I freaking love LOOGy’s their stats are always awkwardly awesome.  They usually have the best inherited run/inherited run scored rates.  Well the good ones.   They don’y get the holds love very often though and that to me is sad.  Randy Choate is getting a mention this week because of this very thing.  In 5 and 1/3 innings he has inherited 15 runners already.
  • The Twins are getting it done with spit shine and grit.  It’s like how my grandma’s recipe book reads to make grill cheese.   Looking for a under the notice type look at Aaron Thompson.  Four holds in last 14 and seeing some decent burn in the quality set-up situations with 9 appearances when the Twins are prevailing.
  • In previous posts I have been praising the Rockies bullpen and they were leading the MLB in Holds up til Tuesday.  Well guess what, they haven’t had a Hold in two weeks as of me writing this.  Hooray for snow and losing.

 

Player Holds/BS App with Lead IR Runners/IR Scored
 Jared Hughes 9/2 13 9/2
 Jim Johnson   9/1 12 5/0
 Joe Smith   9/2 12 0/0
 Sergio Romo 8/0 8 8/3
 Dellin Betances  7/1 11 13/5
 Joaquin Benoit 7/2 11 0/0
 Kevin Jepsen  7/1 9 8/4
 Tony Watson   7/0 10 7/1
 Matt Thornton 7/0 7 13/1
 Carlos Torres  7/0 13 8/0
 Pat Neshek  7/0 8 6/0
 Cody Martin 6/2 10 9/2
 Kevin Siegrist 6/0 10 9/2
 Zach Duke 6/0 7 8/0
 Aaron Thompson 6/1 9 10/3
 Ken Giles 6/0 9 0/0
 Brooks Brown 6/0 6 3/1
 Bryan Shaw 5/1 6 17/6
 Carson Smith 5/1 6 9/3
 Aaron Barrett 5/0 6 7/2

 

 

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  1. Swfcdan says:
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    I would be suprised if Ramos doesn’t get every save opportunity from here on out, and convert most of them. Cishek is toast, Morris isn’t very good and Dunn’s a lefty. Ramos is the guy, there’s no committee here, no need to bother speculating on others. If Ramos looks great in the role, they’ll keep him there and move see-sick to set-up.

    Is it worth holding onto Melancon any more? He still doesn’t look good but he’s getting saves and seems to be the guy they are banking on. Is there any chance Watson does get the gig, or is he needed as their best lefty for situations? Never seem to hear whether they could afford to have him close, not many lefties close.

    You buying Cecil holding the job down now? Still own Osuna in a league and he’s great, but I don’t see him seeing any saves any time soon.

    And anytime soon they finally yank Reed from the role? Ziegler would have to be the guy right?

    • Smokey

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      @Swfcdan: I agree it’s Ramos or recirculate the bullpen. Melancon will be ok, Watson is a tough guy to even think about replacing there. Cecil has looked better. Reed is toast, its Zig-Zag until the youth movement. oh btw Sheffield wednesday fan?

      • Swfcdan says:
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        @Smokey: Yeah Iam Smokey, good knowledge! Oh youre the football (soccer) guy of course. Yeah im a rare razzballer from England, fantasy baseball is far more addicting than fantasy football!

        • Smokey

          Smokey says:
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          @Swfcdan: Nice.. I merant to ask you last week and totally bonked. You watching Ipswich tomorrpw?

  2. wjessereid says:
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    I hate RP, but enjoy watching guys add/drop like mad chasing random and unpredictable save opps.

    I’ve had an empty RP slot since I traded Grilli for Span. Any suggestions on a SP I could stick in there?

  3. phil says:
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    Thanks for doing the extra work and looking at set up guys. I am in a league with holds and it’s a big help.
    Who are your top tier set up guys? Who is a sleeper (because my league is picked clean)?

    Thanks

    • Smokey

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      @phil: Anyone with 7 or above is the goods for me right now. Thompson owned? Blaine Boyer? Will Harris? Give me a list of who’s avail

      • phil says:
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        @Smokey:
        PLAYER, TEAM POS W SV HD ERA WHIP
        Boone Logan, Col RP 0 0 5 5.40 1.46
        Chris Hatcher, LAD RP 0 2 5 6.00 1.42
        Alex Torres, NYM RP 0 1 5 3.18 1.41
        Luis Avilan, Atl RP 1 0 5 3.07 0.95
        Rafael Betancourt, Col RP 1 1 4 4.05 0.98
        Matt Belisle, StL RP 1 0 4 3.14 1.53
        Jonathan Broxton, Mil RP 1 0 4 7.82 1.74
        Dale Thayer, SD RP 0 0 4 1.76 1.11
        Danny Farquhar, Sea RP 0 0 4 5.29 1.59
        Zac Rosscup, ChC RP 1 0 4 3.38 0.83
        Paco Rodriguez, LAD RP 0 0 4 1.23 0.82
        Brandon Maurer, SD RP, SP 1 0 4 2.50 0.94
        Luis Garcia, Phi RP 1 0 4 3.94 1.69

        • phil says:
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          @phil: Thanks for the help- I put in the guys with at least 4 holds. Probably should have left Ks in.

          • Smokey

            Smokey says:
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            @phil: torres….anytime

            • phil says:
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              @Smokey: very late thanks – I got him.

  4. AL KOHOLIC says:
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    So is reed still getting saves or will they move on with ziegler

    • Smokey

      Smokey says:
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      @AL KOHOLIC: I think Reed is done besides the occasional one, but who knows until we see consistent closing by Zig

  5. Abdoozy says:
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    Grilli makes me nervous going forward.

    I don’t have a lot of flexibility on my team — I’d like to pick up Ramos as he’s looked great the times I’ve seen him. I’d have to drop either Grilli or a SP, and I like my SPs (Lester, Simon, Rodon, Hammel, Ross, Salazar, Wood, Buchholz). I don’t have any bench bats.

    Would you drop Grilli for Ramos?
    (12 team ESPN H2H 6×6 w/QS)

    • Abdoozy says:
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      @Abdoozy: (That’s Alex Wood btw)

    • Smokey

      Smokey says:
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      @Abdoozy: Hold

  6. jal179 says:
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    Would anyone drop a bench Moosetacos for Ramos? I’m rolling Holland, Miller, Rondon and recently dropped Cishek… i think 3 closers is enough for a 12 teamer redraft.

    Moosetacos strikes me as someone who has finally found it and will flourish in the 2 hole of that productive Royals lineup

    • Smokey

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      @jal179: You good with those 3

  7. Happyharry says:
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    12 team, H2H, 6X6 (K’s). I would have to drop Folty to activate Greg Holland from DL, Would you keep Folty and his K’s and drop Holland my only RP? or Holland?

    • Smokey

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      @Happyharry: Drop Holland are you mental

  8. Cishek was nails for me last year and I’m always a “late closer” guy – he was indeed my #1, but not that early. Technically he was my #1a, as at the turn I went Rondon/Cishek, which had me pretty psyched on draft day as a 1-2 punch. 10-team league so I loaded up with crappy CL late & traded for NetFleaz – so when Cishek shit the bed I had 6 closers.

    Still – his name is now a swear word to me. So in fact he Cishek the bed.

    • Smokey

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      @Lucky Dog: Sorry man, I liked Cishek too as a guy coming into this year just never drafted him anywheres.

    • I don't want to brag, but i have irritable bowel syndrome says:
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      @Lucky Dog: player rater had him pretty high too. allen/perkins/cishek all rated nearly the same there, but they’ve turned into the good, the bad, and the ugly.

  9. I don't want to brag, but i have irritable bowel syndrome says:
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    for holds and K/9 and relief appearances keep loup (i could’ve grabbed duke yesterday but loup had looked ok till today) over all the WSOX guys not named k-rob and duke (jennings and the ugly twosome from last year that both closed)/ fields (who’s been great but no holds), shreve, gorzelanny,nesbitt, a.wilson, hendriks, morin, chafin,delgado. dynasty 20 teamer here.

    2. best guy out of these in holds/K per 9/ relief wins 16 team dynasty. loup/quack/salas/liberatore and all those same guys in 1 as well. more options in shallower than 20 team league. I currently have loup and quack, but gotta drop one when kenley comes back.

      • I don't want to brag, but i have irritable bowel syndrome says:
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        @Smokey: maybe since he counts as SP (in yahoo) allowing one to hoard more holds guys (if he were to get them), plus he appears to be replacing your earlier season delgado hope (Grey too on that)

  10. Manley Ramirez says:
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    Thoughts on Giles? Has been shaky since spring, velo down, rough outing tonight.

    • Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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      @Manley Ramirez: other than the 4.5 K rate he’s been just fine. even after today his ERA is 1.72. If you are in a league in which he’s troubling you you must have 1 RP slot.

      • Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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        @Montezuma’s Revenge… right now: i’m sorry, that should read 4.5 BB rate, his K rate is just fine, but only a 2-1 K/BB.

  11. OldMilwaukeePounders says:
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    Hey Smokey,

    What are your thoughts on Paco Rodriguez getting some holds looks in LA now that Baez is heading to the DL? Also, do you see Yimi being the dominate Wade Davis type set-up guy now that Kenley is back in town?

    Thanks my man. Your bullpen articles are always a highlight.

    • Smokey

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      @OldMilwaukeePounders: he basically gets treated asd the loogy there. Once Kenley returns Hatcher is in front of him as the lefty. I am not as confident in Yimi as I was, I think he wears down by mid June. Anytime thanks for reading.

  12. Moscowitz says:
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    Hey,

    Barrett, Giles and Herrera. Whos gonna end up with most holds and the best ratios at the end of the year?

    Thanks

    • Smokey

      Smokey says:
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      @Moscowitz: Barrett

  13. KMDA007 says:
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    FML! My closers consist of Allen, Cishek, and Perkins for most of my teams….

    • Smokey

      Smokey says:
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      @KMDA007: Well at least you have Perkins and they at least have a stellar breakfast buffett

    • Crapshoot Kershaw says:
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      @KMDA007: my first drafted closer this year (not counting miller, as he wasn’t drafted expecting to be a closer, and i drafted miller pretty much every holds league) is one of those. I thought i hit the jackpot owning 2 of them in some spots.

  14. chucky says:
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    What to do with Cisek myself. Play H2H with separate cat for Holds, so I can punt saves. Don’t want to but absolutely no closers available. Also have Osuna but just not getting many hold opps, despite pitching well. Thinking of dropping Cisek for Tarawa, at least he’s the clear #2 guy in Boston, thoughts?

    • Smokey

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      @chucky: Who else is there. Not a huge Tazawa touter

      • chucky says:
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        Ziegler’s there but isn’t he a Cishek clone? Sidearming RHP that cant get LH hitters out?

        • Smokey

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          @chucky: Basically

  15. Crapshoot Kershaw says:
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    guessing from directly above answer if i have all of these in net saves and holds, BB’s, HR’s allowed, relief wins
    allen/boxberger/miller/osuna/tazawa/perkins i drop tazawa to activate mcgee? if for no other reason than his fly ballyness.

  16. Greg says:
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    Best closer “hedge” pickup?
    McAllister/Shaw/Farquar/Wilhemsen/Bettencourt/Watson or Kela. Or someone I haven’t mentioned. 14team5x5h2h, no holds, just saves, you’d be correct in betting that every current closer is taken. And that includes Zeigler, just now. Dammit.

    • Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season says:
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      @Greg: this is watson probably for sure.

    • Smokey

      Smokey says:
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      @Greg: Kela

  17. Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season says:
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    strop’s been iffy for a little bit. 14 teamer with no ERA, but BB’s and K’s and holds and losses. lot of decent options over him, with fields/AAron thompson/martin (ATL)/salas/caminero/rosscup (might have strop’s 8th soon)/scribner.

  18. Kevin says:
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    Ziegler or Clippard ROS

    • Smokey

      Smokey says:
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      @Kevin: Clippard when he goes to a set-up role

  19. slimbo says:
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    What’s up buddy…into horse racing? Triple crown winner could be coming

    Would you drop Zeigler or yimi garcia for Tolleson or siegrest?

    Saves and holds league

    Thx!

    Also do you think Grilli is in trouble?

    • Smokey

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      @slimbo: Sory man yea I am just was away all weekend at a wedding. Def for Tolly of Siegrist now with the Mr. Happy news. Grilli will be in trouble later in year when his innings will catch up to him. Use him now but be ready to down shift and trade while he has some value before it’s too late

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