On one hand, we have Evan Longoria at 7 and Yahoo has him at 13 in their O-Ranks, so we can get Longoria.  On the other hand, they have Dee Gordon at 96 in their O-Ranks and we have him at 165, so we’re not getting Gordon without reaching.  On the lesser known, third hand that is actually a foot wearing a mitten, what on earth is an O-Rank?  Sounds like something a teenager would say when they forgot to take their garbage out for six months.  Alas, I found the definition, “The “O-Rank” is an overall player rank based on current and prior seasons. Since it provides such a full spectrum analysis of a players abilities, the “O-Rank” is the method used for determining auto-picks in our draft for full Yahoo! Fantasy Sports games.”  A full spectrum analysis?  Who wrote this, Stephen Hawking?  I Googled “full spectrum analysis” and Google said “Do you mean gobbledygook?”  Actually, no lie, but the only other time “full spectrum analysis” was used since Al Gore invented the internet was in regards to gamma rays.  I don’t know the first thing about gamma rays, but the term “full spectrum analysis” actually makes sense to me more in regards to gamma rays than fantasy baseball rankings.  Well, whatever the case may be, we’re gonna say Yahoo’s O-Ranks are their rankings.  Key word is rank, I suppose.

“Ooh, I’m a Yahoo ‘pert and I love Michael Bourn and anyone covering Total Eclipse of the Heart.”  That’s Funston and Evans while they compile the rankings and watch The Voice.  They are just as high on Michael Bourn as every other ‘pert this and that side of the Mississippi minus Razzball.  I already went over my thoughts on Bourn’s supremacy and how everyone’s forgot his true identity:  SAGNOF!   Same goes for Curtis Granderson, who I labeled a schmohawk.  At least Yahoo didn’t put him in the top 20, that’s just common Curtis-y.  Pun point!

No one likes Jay Bruce, but me.  Honestly, I have no idea how this happened and it’s about the most puzzling thing going on this preseason.  When Bruce was first called up, the fantasy baseball community embraced him immediately, labeled him Bruuuuuuuuuuce and sold the Ohio Turnpike to the Middle East in his honor as reported by Matt Taibbi.  Now, we’re coming off a season where he finally put everything together and he’s going to be 25 years old.  This is the time to move on from him?  I nearly put Bruce in my top 20 overall (ended up just outside of it at 27) and Yahoo has him at 51.  I’ll happily go with Bruce in every league, and that’s not just the Jersey in me talking.  Though I do write with one hand and fist pump with the other.

Rather than going through all of their wonky player rankings, I’ve made a chart.  “Yo, Differences Between My Rankings and O-Ranks, you’ve been charted!”  The positive numbers mean you have a good chance of getting those players if you follow my rankings.  The negative numbers mean Yahoo’s ranked these players higher than me.  Help for this chart was provided by frequent commenters, MattTruss223 and Cheese.  Promotional consideration was provided by Wheat Thins, “Now go eat yourself thin!”

Some of the Biggest Differences Between Grey’s Rankings and O-Ranks
Player Grey’s Y! Difference
Jay Bruce 27 51 24
Dan Uggla 33 48 15
Curtis Granderson 38 22 -16
Howie Kendrick 46 72 26
Madison Bumgarner 50 80 30
Chase Utley 54 71 17
Aramis Ramirez 55 74 19
Lance Berkman 57 86 29
Brian McCann 60 83 23
Matt Wieters 61 90 29
Jered Weaver 65 35 -30
C.J. Wilson 66 88 22
Desmond Jennings 70 43 -27
Krispie Young 74 122 48
Brett Gardner 79 111 32
Jayson Werth 80 108 28
Mike Napoli 81 53 -28
Mark Reynolds 84 143 59
Adam Lind 85 155 70
Billy Butler 86 119 33
Gio Gonzalez 88 118 30
Matt Cain 89 54 -35
Stephen Strasburg 91 57 -34
Jordan Zimmermann 93 130 37
Peter Bourjos 95 144 49
Ben Zobrist 96 52 -44
Anibal Sanchez 101 156 55
Danny Espinosa 102 253 151
Mariano Rivera 104 76 -28
Alex Rios 114 168 54
Michael Bourn 125 67 -58
Emilio Bonifacio 126 174 48
Vernon Wells 141 229 88
Carlos Quentin 147 210 63
Aaron Hill 151 264 113
Michael Pineda 154 114 -40
Adam Wainwright 155 99 -56
Dee Gordon 165 96 -69

 
  1. papasmurf says:
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    I totally agree that dee gordon should not be in the top 100. I have my worries that he’s not even going to make 30sbs due to injuries. A 150 lb SS (all those double plays) whose total value depends on speed? Yikes. I have him too, but I got him at pick 180 something and I grabbed Yunel Escobar 100 picks later to be safe.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @papasmurf, Yeah, I like Gordon a lot if he can stay healthy. That’ll be the bee in the bonnet though.

  2. HowDidIDo says:
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    @Grey
    Completed my first draft last night
    12 teams(roto, 5*5 & ESPN standard) RCL 13
    C-Weiters
    1st-Reynolds
    2nd-Kendricks
    SS-Cozart
    3rd-Wright
    CI-Lind
    MI-Hill
    OF-Braun,Bruce, D.Jennings, Coco, V.Wells
    UT-L. Cain
    P-CC, Gio, Garza, Chacin, Stauffer & Peacock
    RP- Marmol, Guerra, Holland, Uehara, Peralta
    DL- R. Howard
    Your thoughts would be much appreciated on my draft
    Thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @HowDidIDo, Team looks really solid. Might have some average concerns and a tad low on power with Cain and Coco who are kinda the same player. Pitching looks nice.

      • HowDidIDo says:
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        @Grey,

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @HowDidIDo,

      • HowDidIDo says:
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        @Grey,
        Sorry about the last post being blank
        Thanks for your input on the team
        I’m looking to add Eric Thames off waivers(find out at midnight)

        I know you have Coco higher then Cain in your rankings. You also have Coco as just a SAGNOF. I also know that Cain is in the Tier you seeing a couple of guys making a jump in rankings next year(him being the guy with most upside)

        My question for you is
        looking at my roster as it stands
        Who would you drop for Eric Thames
        Coco or Cain?
        Thanks!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @HowDidIDo, Cain

  3. Steve says:
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    Raises an interesting question about where you take the guys that are ranked higher at Razzball than at Yahoo. Is the general rule just to take ’em where they’re ranked?

    Nothing worse than thinking you can wait a couple of rounds on a guy and then have someone else take him…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Steve, I draft my team and ignore rankings as I would ignore money values that ESPN or Yahoo gives me.

      • Rob says:
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        @Grey, you mean if you have the 27th pick and Jay Bruce is there you’re not going to wait an extra round to get better value b/c yahoo has him @ 51?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @Rob, I’d take Bruce at the beginning of the 3rd round in a 12 team draft, yeah.

  4. trick dad says:
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    this looks like my fantasy team lol. btw pineda should be -40

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @trick dad, Oops, thanks!

  5. Juan says:
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    @Grey: Are you worried about Anibal? (I drafted him and he’s scaring the piss out of me.) And how about Liriano thus far?! 7K in 5 scoreless thus far! Are you willing to reconsider yet?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Juan, I’m not reconsidering after 5 IP. Anibal is supposed to pitch, tomorrow the last I heard. Will know more then…

  6. WallyCleaver says:
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    “overall player rank based on current and prior seasons” Gordon has prior seasons I’m not aware of? They aren’t thinking of Daddy Flash are they?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @WallyCleaver, Ha… Yeah, no idea.

  7. Seth says:
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    Can we get one of these for the ESPN schmohawks in here?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Seth, Coming next week…

      • Seth says:
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        @Grey, You’re the best!

      • mauledbypandas says:
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        @Grey, can’t you wait till I do a few more drafts! Love the lists, hope my league mates are not watching

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Cool…

  8. Arnold says:
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    @Grey – 6×6 H2H with OPS & QS. Obviously light on SB and SB, but by design. Can I rake in the other 10 categories every week? What do you think?

    C McCaan
    1B Prince
    2B Uggla
    3B Pablo
    SS Alexei
    MI Young
    CI Votto
    OF Morse
    OF Ethier
    OF Swish
    OF Torii
    OF Boesch
    DH Papi

    SP Bum
    SP Zimm
    SP Anibal
    SP Ubaldo
    SP Scherzer
    SP Chacin
    SP Baker
    SP Lewis
    SP Dempster
    SP Peavy
    SP Peacock
    SP Leake
    SP Parker

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Arnold, Lot of risk with older players or needing bounce backs, but the team looks okay if it’s a 12 team league.

  9. birdog says:
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    Awesome frickin’ info, brotha-man!!!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @birdog, Thanks!

  10. Back To Minors says:
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    HA! I just noticed that Mike Stanton is now Giancarlo Stanton? How did I miss this!? And no post about this? Too funny!!!
    Continue to love the site!!

    • Rob says:
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      @Back To Minors, oh he noticed: “Mike Stanton changed his name to Giancarlo. Just when you thought Stanton couldn’t get any sexier, he goes and changes his name to The Sexiest Name Alive, according to People Magazine.”

    • Back To Minors says:
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      @Back To Minors, I love the comment: Giancarlo Cruz Michael Stanton. He’s not Italian, and Giancarlo isn’t a family name – his parents just liked it.

  11. Commish Cauda says:
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    20-team, mixed H2H-Points keeper league w/$70 cap (players go up $1 per MLB year of service)

    I need an everyday OF with upside and I’m ready to contend.

    Do I do the following?

    Domonic Brown $1 and Ryan Roberts $2
    FOR
    Logan Morrison $1 and Ryan Vogelsong $2

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Commish Cauda, I’d take Morrison.

  12. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    The Yahoo! O-Rankings are ca-ca-doo-doo. They make no sense at all. I have something I call the O-Face: it’s the face I make when I see Dee Gordon ranked 97.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Baron Von Vulturewins, Ha! I thought the O-face was when you were able to get Dee Gordon in the 200’s.

      • Baron Von Vulturewins

        Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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        @Grey, BUT ON A SERIOUS NOTE how early is too early to grab Dee? I’m starting to think Round 10 might be the time to make the move?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @Baron Von Vulturewins, Round ten sounds about right if you want to realistically not overpay…

          • Tony says:
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            @Grey, he went round 7 of my 14 teamer, i about crapped… i know alot of people are high on this guy, im just seeing alcides escobar, everth cabrera and im steering clear…. maybe he’s better, but its too early for my blood.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              @Tony, Yeah, could be Eugenio Velez. About the size of him…

  13. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    P.S. I forgot to say that I still love Bruce.

    Bruuuuuuuuuce!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Baron Von Vulturewins, Love

  14. Phil says:
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    Who will have the better fantasy year
    Napoli,Lawrie or Strasburg ?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Phil, Lawrie

  15. Paul says:
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    12 team mixed roto keeper. 25 man roster. C/1B/2B/3B/SS/3xOF/Util. 1450IP

    The dollar amounts are cost to keep in 2012, 2013, 2014

    Team A trades to Team B

    Ike $8, $10, $12
    Felix $25, $25, $25
    Bailey $9, $13, $18

    Team B trades to Team C

    Hosmer $1, $2, $3
    Sabathia $25, $25, $25
    Farnsworth $3, $5, $7

    Team C trades to Team A

    Pujols $38, $38, $38

    Is this a fair 3 way deal? Any other thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Paul, Sounds fair

  16. Buddo Chezuski says:
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    I never got why Yahoo has these O-Ranks and then a set of rankings under their draft kit that are different. And I think those are co-signed by rotowire. Anyway, if you want a good laugh check those out. I think they have Lawrie in the top 15 and Dee Gordon is even higher.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Buddo Chezuski, Yeah, I have no idea… Whole thing is kinda puzzling to me…

      • chata says:
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        @Grey,

        their O rank is their pre-season rank .

        their “rank” will change throughout the season , as it progresses ,
        based on a player’s current performance and yahoo’s customers
        preferences .

  17. MattTruss

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    In addition to Dee Gordon, they moved Paul Goldschmidt into the top 100 at 98, BARF!

    @Steve, you could proably safely wait a few rounds for Espinosa though!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @MattTruss223, Hey, thanks again for the chart work!

  18. HotRod says:
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    Grey,

    Joining a 12, now 14 team H2H (OBP vs. Avg) league as one of 2 expansion teams.

    The original 12 teams got to keep 4, and then we did an 8 pick expansion draft with each of the 2 expansion teams getting 4 picks.

    We are now entering round 10, so everybody has 9 players…Must keep 4, can keep 6 next year.

    My 1st 9 picks…How do you think I did? What would you recommend I strengthen in my next couple of picks.

    C
    1 Hosmer (2)
    2 Phillips (4)
    3 Lawrie (1)
    SS
    MI
    CI
    CF
    OF Jennings (3)
    OF
    OF
    Util Papi (8)

    SP Lester (5)
    SP Kennedy (6)
    SP Josh Johnson (7)
    SP
    RP Heath Bell (9)
    RP

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @HotRod, Your pitching is much stronger than your hitting, which isn’t great. Get the best outfield and CI you can get now…

      • HotRod says:
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        @Grey,

        Ryan Howard is still on the board…Whats your take on him for this year? WHn will he be back? Worth Grabbing now?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I just went over Howard a few days ago…

  19. paddyman says:
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    So with this in mind Grey, If operating through yahoo, you’d enter your own pre-draft rankings and ignore the fact that others will be selecting based on yahoo’s? Wouldn’t that mean that you’d be losing potential value of a pick? Adam Lind for example would be on peoples radar in yahoo rankings around round 12 but you’d select him anyway in 7? Seems like you’d potentially be burning a pick early?

    I guess we’d have to guess that everyone now knows about Razzball and will probably be ignoring yahoos. How popular is this website now anyway? Awesomeness like this is hard to keep secret! Thanks for the tips!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @paddyman, Thanks for the kind words! The reality is you’re not drafting based on rankings for someone else, you’re drafting your team. If you need Lind as your CI because your team is light on power, you better make sure you get him, no matter where you pick him… Obviously if you can wait a round because you see how far down on the draft queue he is then you wait, for sure.

    • Ghost of the Purple Porpoise says:
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      @paddyman, I have Grey’s rankings in the pre-draft rankings and use that as my reference the entire draft. The only yahoo stats I use in the draft window are the average draft positions, this way if I’m torn between two players in a certain round I can understand if either will likely be available when my next pick rolls around.

      I find that you can play Grey’s rankings off Yahoo’s for value in the mock drafts, but my regular league mates are a little more savvy/unpredictable then your average Yahoo mouth-breather so I generally fill my team with players I want as they are available…rather then risk missing out completely.

    • mic says:
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      @paddyman, you can always go back and forth from your personal rankings and yahoos rankings…

  20. slappy says:
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    I think you are at fault on Espinosa…have him ranked waaaaaaayyyyy too high.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      A 20/15 middle infielder in his prime sounds pretty good to me…

      • Tony says:
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        @Grey, i think espinosa is better for roto, probbaly not so great for h2h, but a guy with 20/20 + upside…. he’s worth a gamble.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @Tony, At 24 years old, yeah, he is…

  21. Scottie O. says:
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    Love the article (and the stache of course). really helps in targeting certain players and not others. Got a couple Q’s for ya.

    In a 12-team OPS league with the 1st pick.

    here’s a few guys I’ve been targeting at the turns:

    4/5: Bruce, Uggla, Lawrie (Greinke – but he never seems to fall to me – if he does, would you take him over Bruce, Uggla, etc?).

    8/9: Wieters tends to fall to me here and seems to be good value. You agree or wait on C?

    After that I usually just fill in the gaps, add SP’s & start looking at closers. I was wondering though; in a 12-team league, what round would you usually start to target closers in (assuming you had back-to-back picks)?

    Many thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Around the tenth round…

      • Scottie O. says:
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        @Grey, thanks. what are your thoughts on my 4/5th round & 8/9th round targets?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @Scottie O., Sorry about that, was replying from an iPhone and it cut it off… Greinke — nope. Wieters is good value in the ninth.

          • Scottie O. says:
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            @Grey, no worries. I appreciate the insight. I kinda wish Greinke would have been one of those guys that Yahoo! ranked lower, but now I’ll simply plan to target Bum at the 6/7 turn.

  22. yep, I said it says:
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    Krispie Young. I keep drafting him, but didn’t I read somewhere that he might lose some ABs this year in a crowded outfield? Any concerns about his getting enough playing time for a H2H league? Good article. Thanks.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’m not concerned as of right now…

      • Wilsonian says:
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        I’d heard it was more likely that Parra and Kubel get caught on a time share. But now I’m a little worried about the Krispie.

  23. longbeachyo says:
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    Love it, Grey… in fact, maybe I love you? Therefore, all that you do, I love… Right?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @longbeachyo, Love you!

  24. Melvin Emanuel says:
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    My draft strategy is constantly evolving, and this is where I stand now.

    Assuming I don’t pick first or second, I’m going hard after Tulo. If I get him, I’ll try to get a top 6 1B with my second pick. If I miss out on Tulo, I’m going after best 1B available, and either Hanley or Longoria in the second depending where they fall. Likely looking at OF in the third and 3B like Pablo, Beltre and Zim in the fourth. If I miss out on Tulo or Hanley, I’ll probably punt shortstop unless someone falls. If I miss a top 6 1B ill look at the Morse, Hosmer, Konerko tier.

    Grey, does this look like a decent enough strategy?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Melvin Emanuel, Sounds fine…

  25. Wilsonian says:
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    Verbal offer of Stras/BJ for Lincecum/Krispie. 8 Team H2H. I’d get the Stras side…yay or nay? I’m leaning nay.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Wilsonian, Nah

      • Wilsonian says:
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        @Grey, Thanks. What I figured. I don’t know why this guy is trying to get Lincecum this early. I would like a good felatio Upton, though.

    • TheNewGuy says:
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      @Wilsonian, Id be looking for a bat of Nellie Cruz calibur instead of BJ.

      • Wilsonian says:
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        @TheNewGuy, you mean for Lincecum or for him and Krispie?

        • TheNewGuy says:
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          @Wilsonian, Instead of BJ. I look at it simply, 7 buck difference between Linc and Stras, so you want a 7 buck better player than Krispie ie Nellie.

          • Wilsonian says:
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            @TheNewGuy, Good analysis. He doesn’t really have anyone that would work there. His other OF are Jennings and Braun.

            • TheNewGuy says:
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              @Wilsonian, dont do it then ;)

  26. Howard says:
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    @Grey I was transposing your Top 300 to the Yahoo rankings for a draft and the biggest discrepancy I came across was Matt Gamel (Grey 214)(Yahoo 1177).

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Howard, Ha… Yeah, they obviously forgot about him.

    • royce! says:
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      @Howard, Would you mind sharing the doc with me? I did the same last year, but haven’t found the time to do so this year (thought I could farm it out to my 1-month old, but she’s a slow learner…)

      my email is booher.robert at yahoo

      • Howard says:
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        @royce!, I would love to share but I did it on the Yahoo interface and it disappeared after the draft. Took me about an hour to do it.

        • royce! says:
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          @Howard, Cool, thanks anyway.

  27. Carns says:
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    …At least the Yahoo rankings don’t have that ‘I just took a couple blasts off a crackpipe’ aura about them…. If you haven’t had a chance to see the rankings from Rotowire, who does Yahoo’s draft kit and who I believe is Chris Liss’ (who I up until now respected) brainchild, allow me to introduce you to these ranks that would in the best of terms be considered ridiculous (These are overall from top 250 sheet):

    Yu Darvish: 36 – Felix Hernandez: 44
    Jason Kipnis: 27 – Justin Upton: 28 – Ian Kinsler: 84
    Austin Jackson: 97 – Mike Stanton: 100
    Coco Crisp: 75 – Andrew McCutchen: 80
    Dee Gordon: 26 – Hanley Ramirez: 29
    Melky Cabrera: 63 – Angel Pagan: 65 – BJ Upton: 162
    Elvis Andrus: 174 – Marco Scutaro: 175
    Ryan Vogelsong: 68 – Zack Greinke: 70
    Daniel Murphy: 102 – Dan Uggla:103
    Brett Lawrie: 12 – Evan Longoria: 93

    Folks/Grey, I am not making these up. I have never in my life read fantasy baseball articles or rankings that legitimately angered me inside until now.

    Grey, I’d imagine you have seen these already. Is this being offered up as serious material? Is this an inside joke to see how much crap they could shove into the mouths of their readers? I ask those questions dead seriously.

    These rankings were either done by a child under 6 or a donkeycorn with a crayon between its teeth. These people need to lose their jobs and their following/readership.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Honestly, never saw these before… They probably don’t pay very well because not that many people use them so they just throw them together… Really, I have no idea…

  28. birrrdy! says:
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    @Grey, curious how your value of Gordon, Hart’s recent knee surgery and the good signs coming from Johan Santana might play into a tough keeper decision I’m making by 3/15.

    5×5, 10 team, NL only auction ($300) w/8 keepers (13 hitters, 10 pitchers total w/1C, 5OFs, 3U).

    Due to trading rules, I must keep 1-Cliff Lee ($31); 2-Dan Uggla ($24); 3-Alonso ($5); and 4-Tabata ($7). I am chosing to keep 5-Wright ($26); and 6-Hanley ($31).

    The 7th and 8th keeper spots are between:
    – Dee Gordon ($13)
    – Corey Hart ($16)
    – Johan Santana ($3)
    – John Mayberry ($7)
    – Daniel Hudson ($17)
    – Shelby Miller ($1)

    What say thee, oh wise seer of fantasy baseball goodness!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Gordon and Hudson…

      • birrrdy! says:
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        @Grey, thanks a ton. Who’s your favorite between Hart, Santana and Mayberry at those prices?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @birrrdy!, Johan

  29. mic says:
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    is alex presley a 4th or 5th OF, and where would you target him in a NFBC draft…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @mic, 5th…

  30. Mr2Bits says:
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    I love myself some Aaron Hill and Rios on this list. Gracias Yahoo as the douches in my league follow those rankings to a T.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Mr2Bits, Yup, agreed.

    • Mr2Bits says:
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      @Mr2Bits, On a side note Grey, Yahoo is the TMZ of baseball rankings. They are all about the sexy name and that the end of it. Their rankings have always been that way and will never change. They will never hitch their ride to a Cozart or someone risky until there is a year or two under the belt.