How do the White Sox justify not starting Nick Madrigal from the first game of the season now that they’re starting the year in the month of Who Knows When and on the date of TBD? Such firmness with the MLB, huh? All you have to know about whether MLB owners are negotiating in good faith is they had the month of May to come up with a proposal and they submitted it to the players on May 26th. MLB owners negotiate like Kevin Spacey in Seven mixed with Robert Redford in Indecent Proposal. “You have 48 hours to come to the table or we will have Avisail Garcia screw your wife.” Well, whatever happens happens as they say say. Once baseball returns, it will come back with larger rosters. I’ve heard some describe this as taxi squads. The team will have, say, 30 men on the roster, but there will be another fifteen guys on a taxi squad who can be called up at any time for injuries. Nick Madrigal shouldn’t even be on the taxi squad. He should be on the MLB roster. Back, during Spring Training 1.0, we were expecting Madrigal to get called up around the end of May. Well, that came and went, huh? So, back to my original question, how do the White Sox suppress Madrigal from the majors now? To get Leury Garcia time at 2nd base, where he’s started eight total games since 2015? Don’t be daft. Madrigal is the starter at 2nd base, when the season starts, and I’ve begun drafting him, as such. Yes, I’m currently taking part in fantasy baseball drafts. I have a problem! So, what can we expect from Nick Madrigal in 2020 fantasy baseball and what makes him a great dart throw?

The Prospectonator has Nick Madrigal down for the 4th best rookie projections for value per game, if the season were 162 games long. It also has him down for seven homers, which produces a hearty, full-throated cackle from yours truly. If baseball returns with Rock ‘n Jock fences that are only 120-foot deep, then, sure, Madrigal could hit that many homers. Or if famous White Sox Jack McDowell plants some beans on Chicago’s South Side, and Guaranteed Rate Stadium thrusts into the sky, like on beanstalk, and becomes the 2nd mile-high stadium in the majors, then, yes, Madrigal could hit seven homers. More than likely, he’s good for about two homers, depending on how many inside-the-park homers he can get in 82 games. Madrigal’s more about what he can do with speed and average, especially that contact, which is humma-na-humma-na. Last year in Triple-A, he had a 3.7% K-rate and 9.7% walk rate, hitting .331. I’m sorry, are you Ty Cobb? Madrigal will not win a batting title in the majors; he will win multiple. In a shortened season, he’s going to kill pitchers, unfamiliar with him, and might hit .330+ in his rookie season. His speed isn’t terrible either. He could steal 25+ bags in a full season, and, as I keep saying with a shortened season, steals will come fast — three in one game, five in a week — and Madrigal may only have 25+ steal speed, but could steal 15 bags in only 82 games. That contact rate, and his speed also means he could be hitting leadoff for the whole year. Madrigal makes sense at least hitting 2nd. By the way, in case you’ve forgot, the White Sox lineup is stacked. They have rookie favorite Luis Robert hitting eighth or ninth there’s so many bats in that lineup. For a shortened season, Madrigal should be going off the board around 120th overall, but is instead going way later than that, making him one of the strongest dart throws.

 
  1. galica says:
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    Grey!!!!

    Loved this dart throw more than most!

    a. Heavily invested in Madrigal so hopefully he will be the big deal! At least to shore up my batting average which will be atrocious with guys like Schwarber.

    b. MLB quote of the day for June 27, 1977

    ‘I enjoyed hitting in the Major Leagues more than in the Minor Leagues. I didn’t want to tell anybody it was easier, because I didn’t want to sound cocky. But Major League pitchers had better control, and most of them were around the plate.’

    Willie Lee McCovey, aka ‘Stretch’, ‘Mac’ and ‘Willie Mac’. Bob Gibson called him ‘the scariest hitter in baseball’. He hit 231 HRs in Candle Stick Park, by far the most hit by anyone. McCovey signed his first contract at the age of 17 for $175/month in 1955. McCovey hit 2 home runs in one inning twice – April 12, 1973 and June 27, 1977. He was the first National Leaguer to hit 17 grand slams and finished his career to 18 – an NL record.

    His final stats: .270 BA, 521 HRs, 1555 RBIs, 1229 runs, .374 OBP, .515 SLG.

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Coolwhip

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      If Bob Gibson calls somebody else scary, thats saying something, lol.

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Scarier Dick Allen or McCovey?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Really? Aw shucks! Thanks, Ante! BTW, imagine someone calling you galica and not know it’s ante? Noobs!

      A. I am too, so this was a bit selfish of a dart, but you gotta throw em sometimes

      B. I always thought that too for heavy command guys (Bieber comes to mind)…If you can get comfortable, just dig in

      • galica says:
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        Grey!!!

        Yep, yep.

        a. On galica, that was my handle before the domain when I worked at UNHCR. I just told everyone my work email address, too bad I don’t have a job (spoiler alert!).

        b. The connection from yesterday’s quote….Willie Mays…a Giant…Willie McCovey…a Giant! I actually had Fred Lynn pegged because of ROY in his first year like Mays. But then Fred Lynn has 0 quotes, zilch! None! So I had to re-group yet again. Do love McCovey, plus he’s the same height as me so us tall folk have to stick together.

        c. Trying to keep it light. If the season starts, then I might get a little philosophical. Also, I may do a whole week of Yogi Berra quotes ’cause his are the deepest when you think about them too much.

        d. Too funny about the quote. I’m sure MiLB pitching was full of guys throwing anywhere and everywhere especially in the lower levels.

        Cheers,
        Ante

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          A. Haha

          B. Fred Lynn — man of many words that no one bothered to transcribe

          C. Good call!

          D. Ha, yup

  2. lennydykstraisjustkmisunderstood says:
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    test — i think the server is on strike again

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Really?

      • lennydykstraisjustkmisunderstood says:
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        maybe yesterday and todoay the user comment may have been lite early? i usually check in the am and the only comments that showed were ante…until i left and came back

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ah, gotcha

  3. William Hung says:
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    I didn’t think I’d miss live sports so much, until I found myself watching the German soccer league over the weekend… I don’t even like soccer!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Bundesliga!

      • galica says:
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        Grey!!

        Oktoberfest!

        Cheers,
        Ante

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Guzzle guzzle

          • galica says:
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            Grey!!

            Nein! How about why Wednesday isn’t Wodenstag in German (it’s Mittwoch, middle of the week)? No idea, the skinny follows.

            1. The Scandinavians respected the Norse Gods and ate horse meat.
            2. The horse was seen as a really important part of the every day life in 19th century then-Germany.
            3. Therefore, if Sunday was the 1st day of the week…the 4th day or the middle between 2 groups of 3 days (i.e., Sunday, Monday Tuesday or Sonntag, Montag and Dienstag, plus Donnerstag, Freitag and Sammstag on the other side) is Wednesday, not Wodenstag, the middle of the week, therefore, ergo, ipso facto, Mittwoch.

            Cheers,
            Ante

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              It’s not Wodenstag?! Since whenesday?!

              I like to think you’re watching Beforeigners with this comment

  4. Coolwhip

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    Who’s going to hit more homeruns this year, Madrigal or Mallex? And will it be more than the owl’s licks to the center of the tootsie roll pop?… hmmm.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha, I’d go Madrigal, only bc of the unknown factor

      • The Great Knoche says:
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        Mallex. Your cackle on Prospectonator is correct. Not sure how they measured it, since not on fangraphs, but according to CBS, Madrigal had a 13.4% hard hit rate last year. Half of Mallex. Plus if you only hit 4 HR across 3 levels of minors how does that translate in age 23 season.

        Mallex -3
        Madrigal -2

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha, yeah, you might be right on Mallex…Honestly, Madrigal at 2 might be high…Dude’s built for 155-foot singles

          • Jolt In Flow says:
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            Here me out on this one; we already know who Mallex Smith is and what he’s going to do.

            However, what if Madrigal was such a good on-base player in high school that his Oregon State coach told him his job was simply to get on base. So he continued to do simply that.

            Then once he got to Single A, what if that coach thought the same and told him to simply get on-base as well?

            And what if this continued all the way through Triple A?

            Everyone and their mother already knows he can get on-base and he’ll do that. But what if at the top of the pyramid, once he gets to Chicago, the coach tells him to get on base, but also gives him the green light to hit for the stands? Something he’s possibly never been given before.

            Therefore, to me, the biggest contributing factor in whether he’ll hit HRs in the bigs will be his coaches.

            Do Rick Renteria and Frank Menechino change the narrative and allow him to let loose? That’s the biggest determining factor in my eyes.

            • Grey

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              Hmm…Maybe, but I think Nick is 84 pounds and wears shake weights so he doesn’t float away

  5. Clay says:
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    Way too early 2021 (re-draft) rankings, do I have the order right?

    Flaherty, Bieber, Clevinger, Giolito, Berrios

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Honestly, I can’t imagine myself changing those guys much from my 2020 rankings

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Which is to say that order looks right

  6. NUX says:
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    You OTC for your last peck in Bobby’s World Round 4!

    Looking at taking a break for a few days and prob starting one on Monday or so if you’re still interested in more of these

    • NUX says:
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      BTW I had read your convo w/ Knoche on these yesterday, multi ELIG is def clutch AF. I generally want to have at least 3 players rostered for each infield position.

      For this most recent one, I have…

      5 1B
      3 2B
      4 SS
      5 3B
      9 OF
      12 Pitchers
      1 Unicorn (Ohtani at pick #131)

      I maybe gave up a handful of points when taking Muncy a bit early, but it allows for me to go grab extra Pitchers and OF darts later in the draft and I think that makes it worth it. Jury is still out on that though, I’ve never done these before. I dunno if they even had these leagues for the 2019 season. I think they did them last year for football, but unsure on baseball. If nothing else, its been really helpful to kill some time

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Yeah, I started to enjoy the drafts (just as you stopped doing them!) — I really like this draft’s team….Cody/Ketel/Yasmani feel so right for this sorta league

        • NUX says:
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          Its true, a Cody/Ketel start is always my goal. I hate getting the middle round picks cause I can’t usually land either one.

          Yea this one looks like your best top to bottom roster so far. I still punt the hell out of Catcher and that doesn’t seem to be a popular plan in these, which I do get the reasons as to why you don’t want to punt. I just end up with Romine, Jason Castro, Maldonado, etc. Same diff, especially with the short season.

          Also find that there is plenty of decent Pitching left in the later rounds, so I always spend the early rounds building that Infield depth as much as I can. Still end up with a bunch of guys in your Top 100 SP ranks:

          Darvish
          Berrios
          Odorizzi
          Manaea
          Lucchessi
          Garrett Richards
          Alcantara
          Tanaka
          Yarbro
          YChirinos
          Keuchel
          Fiers
          Ohtani

          • The Great Knoche says:
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            See I disagree, I think Catcher is more valuable here because it is one of only 8 hitters versus 13. I’ve actually been investing fairly heavily on C1 and C2.

            Narvaez/Tom Murphy
            Narvaez/Tom Murphy
            Garver/Narvaez
            Garver/Tom Murphy

            Big difference there between those combos and mix of Jansen/Castro/Romine/Maldanado and with only 8 hitters they are more important.

            • Grey

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              That’s why I liked that I got Yasmani in this last draft… think it’s one of the few times a top catcher could help

            • NUX says:
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              Fully understand all that Knoche, I’ve had this convo several times now during these drafts. And noone is ever on my side of it.

              I was grabbing a lot of Grandal in these in my February/March drafts, as I was seeing things in the way you describe them here. But when the shizz hit the proverbial fan was when I moved off of any high end catcher.

              I just dunno how things will be shaking out and I don’t want to pay the price. Respect that explanation, you’re likely correct. Hopefully there is some baseball and we can look back and I can plan on 2021 accordingly. I’ve done over 40 of these drafts.

              I just don’t see Narvaez/Tom Murphy as that much better than Jason Castro and Austin Romine who have the starting gig just as much as the other two. You’re right, when you look at Grey’s projections, you should get more production out of it. But I just can’t bring myself to pay the 10ish rounds price difference. I would sooner jump back in on a Grandal early on.

              At the very least, maybe I should be at least grabbing 3 catchers instead of 2.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Oh, yeah, let’s do another… Just ping me when

  7. Agree Madrigal is more valuable now and will be watching closely when/if they ever get to ST 2.0 – the 2 hole would be ideal, but near the back with Robert more likely. Speed can be elusive and he can definitely contribute. Great dart!! Thanks Grey

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No problem, Smitty!

  8. 183414 says:
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    Hope you’re right, but frankly it seems that neither the owners or the players give a lick about the fans. Clearly no urgency to start baseball, and that’s sickening.
    MLB/Manfred dragging it’s feet, and will their decision to sit on their billionaire hands. Players aren’t much better, but no reason that the owners can’t end this suspension of the season. Manfred should be fired !!!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Manfred is the worst, but I take all this as being posturing

      • 183414 says:
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        Grey, this should have been done by now. Waited until may26 to come up with an insulting offer of a sliding scale revenue split, pitting high salaried players against lower salaried players. Purposeful and clearly with no intent to play major league baseball.
        These owners increased their net worths 10 fold on the back of players.
        I’m not suggesting that the player association is w/out blame, but clearly MLB could not care less about the fans and it’s affect on all of us. It’s already june, and nothing !!!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I don’t disagree…I’m hopeful it’s posturing, but I agree posturing should’ve started about two weeks ago

        • krazyivan says:
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          To my knowledge most owners operate at a loss every year. I just don’t think that they want to take an enormous loss this year. They just kick the can of lost revenue because they are pretty sure that their kids or grandchildren will be able to sell the team for profit.

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Has anyone reported that the owners can just write off for insurance if no season?

            • lennydykstraisjustkmisunderstood says:
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              have not seen that anywhere, I would doubt insurance company would pay if the season was cancelled for a failed negotiation which they have partial control of.

              Also, i would think this pandemic would fall under act of God and may not be covered. unless the specifically had it in the policy.

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                Gotcha…Was just thinking aloud and wasn’t sure

  9. The Itch

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    Think I’ll take the under on 7 Madrigal Rock’n’Jock homers : )

    Loved the Avi/Redford setup!!

    Guess that makes the players Woody Harrelson, which would mean at least they can get drunk with Ted Danson. Hope he’s not in his Whoopi phase.

    Or maybe the players are Demi Moore and we’re Woody?

    Everyone’s getting Whoopied or Woodied either way, I guess.

    • The Itch

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      Oh also good call on Madrigal! Totally agree the Sox don’t have much choice but to play him if they play at all.

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Yeah, I mean, why not, right?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Under is a good call!

      Woody Harrelson’s dad is a murderer, I learned that this week

      • The Itch

        The Itch says:
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        Must . . . follow . . . up . . .

        Good lord!!!

        Dude’s a straight-up assassin!!

        Of a federal effin judge!

        The more you know . . .

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha, yeah, White Men Can’t Jump but they can assassin

  10. Fred says:
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    Picked him up in the 22nd round out of 25 rounds. 99% sure he’s going to be one of my keepers for a long long time

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nice!

  11. The Real Joey Bart

    The Real Joey Bart says:
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    Hey Grey, I’ve been loving these dart throw articles.

    It also made me think of a few guys. What do yu think about pitchers like Joe Ross, Brad Peacock, Jose Quintana, Kevin Gausman, Taijuan Walker and Garrett Richards.

    Hitters like Travis Shaw, Jonathan Schoop, Tommy LaStella and Gregory Polanco

    I feel like there’s a lot of post hupe sleepers here and some guys who could recapture some of the fantasy value they had in past seasons with expanded roles.

    I couldn’t agree more on guys toy wrote up like like Castro, Riley, Odor, O’Neill and Teoscar

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