Not Krispie Young. I’m talking about the lanky, San Diego pitcher, Chris Young. (Though some may say Krispie is also a sleeper.) Last year, POO-holes put a little extra stank on a rope right back at Young’s nose.  Young ended up only starting 18 games and a few of those starts were obviously just, “Let’s see if he can start and not crawl into a little ball cause Pujols put the fear of Xenu into him.”  By the end of the season, Chris Young put a string of four consecutive starts together with a 1.55 ERA, including a September two-hitter against the playoff-bound BrewersChris Young should be back in 2009 in a big non-skull fracture type way. Does that make you giddy? It does it for me. Anyway, let’s see what we can expect of Chris Young in 2009 and why he’s a fantasy sleeper.

In 2007, Chris Young had an ERA of 3.12, but post-All-Star break he only had an ERA of 4.80 as he seemed to hit a wall with a tired arm. This would make sense since he came off a season of 164.2 and 179.1 in 2005 and 2006, respectively. Guess how many innings Chris Young threw in 2008? Nope, lower. Even lower! 102 innings. After he throws 175 innings in 2009, I might be cautious in 2010, but right now I don’t care. Do you? I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a year from Chris Young of 175 IP and a 3.50 ERA.  The best part is Young isn’t going to be drafted high at all. He’ll prolly go around fourth fantasy starter territory, say 170.  I’ve seen him drafted in the same ballpark as Andy Sonnanstine, Andy Pettitte, Jon Garland and Jeff Francis. For a guy who will be drafted as a fourth starter, but give you 2nd starter numbers, Chris Young is a great fantasy sleeper for 2009.

  1. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    In the few drafts I’ve done recently, he’s been going anywhere from 128-165. People aren’t sure what to do with him.

  2. Grey

    Grey says:

    @IowaCubs: I could see him ranking in the top 100 at the end of the year and even if he gets tired after the All-Star break in 2009 like he did in 2006 and 2007, you trade or drop him.

  3. I agree with Grey on this one.

    Point Shares has him at #127 but that’s with Marcel projecting him at 127 IP (vs. about 200 for Webb and Santana and 170 for Peavy). If you project his stats to 175 IP, he’s in top 100.

    If I had to draft today, I’d feel comfortable about drafting him as a 3rd starter in the 10th/11th round….

  4. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @Rudy Gamble: Wow, thems recommendations. Here are the SP’s drafted in the 8th-12th rounds in the last MDC draft I did:






    Generally speaking I pick four starters here these days. Is Verlander set for a comeback?

  5. Grey

    Grey says:

    @IowaCubs: re: Verlander set for a comeback — Nope.

  6. Hank

    Hank says:

    @IowaCubs: Billingsley in the 10th, I’d like some of that.

    @Grey: I drafted CY as my number #2 starter last year, needless to say that was a real blow to face. I’m still high on him though, so to get him at a discount this season will be sweet. I think I remember his fastball being mentioned in an article as one of the 5 filthiest pitches, with Johan’s change, Rivera’s cutter, Webb’s sinker, and Hoffman’s change. Got to like that!

  7. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Hank: Yeah, I think some people will still be pissed that Chris Young burned them last year but it really wasn’t his fault and it will make for a bargain in 2009.

  8. big o says:

    @IowaCubs: @Grey:
    will you guys read my response (#20) under grey’s post “C.C. Signs” .
    i think it is something we should try here , but am interested what you think .
    even if sign-up was low and we had to use 6 computer players , at a time control of 8 or 12 hours per pick , the running dialogue would be a blast and might encourage a bit more audience participation , over the course of the next few weeks .
    just my opinion.
    but , i’m interested in what you guys think , since i know you like doing mock drafts from time to time .

  9. Grey

    Grey says:

    @big o: I think that would be a lot of fun. Someone needs to pick a day and then announce it in the comments and I’m sure others would join in.

  10. @IowaCubs: Interesting…without consulting point shares, Zambrano, CYoung, Billingsley and Wainwright look like good value. Verlander’s a tough one right now. Seems like an okay bet for a 4th pitcher but really hard to pass up on a 2nd tier closer in the 12th round…(i love stocking up on closers from the 10th round on…they have great trade value…)

  11. BigFatHippo says:

    @Grey: @Rudy Gamble: Hard to project pointshares into auction value. Is there a way to do it in, say a $3oo cap league.

    If I project a 1st round pick as being worth 40 plus, how do the other rounds stack up?

  12. Hank

    Hank says:

    @big o: Like Grey says, pick a date/time and let us know, I’ll try to join in for sure.

  13. big o says:

    i’ll let you decide on how “slow” we want to go … i can customize almost any time limit 2hr /4hr/8/ 12 hrs per move , etc.
    will also let you decide how many rounds … do we want to gear it towards h2h players , 5×5 / 6×6 (etc) roto ?
    2 catchers ?
    YOU tell me .
    (if we announce scoring parameters , more evaluations might be encouraged).

    i suggest we give everyone a week or so to sign-up , and limit it to Razz readers and their invites .

    i’ll set up the draft according to your desires BUT i get to pick the password .
    (you already know what it’s going to be .)

  14. BigFatHippo says:

    Strike that, 30 plus.

    We only had 7 guys go for 40.
    A Rod-70

    This is a keeper league so some 1st rounders were kept for less, Howard- 15, Braun-5, Hanley-40. Obviously this is where the real value lies.

  15. Grey

    Grey says:

    @BigFatHippo: This is keepers too, right? Usually keepers inflate everyone’s price tag a few dollars, at least, because people aren’t paying the going rate for some guys so they’re willing to pay more for others. Also, that’s a lot of money to start with.

    I could have my diploma from the College of Fantasy Baseball at Charleston revoked for telling you this, but I’d drop roughly a two dollars every five picks or so, but it’s really dependent on who the guys are. For instance, Arod could go for $40 and David Wright could go for $42, but Pujols could go $41 — That doesn’t necessarily mean I want them in the order of Wright, Pujols then Arod, it’s just saying that there’s fluctuations within a given tier. Then the same thing with the next tier and so on. So guys in the 2nd tier could go for anywhere from $35 to $40, with some guys going for $32 and others going for $42.

    And guys in the 2nd tier could go for the same as guys in the 1st tier, but guys in the 1st tier shouldn’t go for the same as guys in the 3rd tier. I feel like I suddenly made it very confusing. Is this clear?

    Also, to help with this, when I do my top 20 2009 rankings at every position in January, I’m going to make it clear which tier guys are in.

  16. big o says:

    p.s. the actual date/time start can be determined (specifically) later , as this starts to come together …. and can be activated on your command .

    prospective participants should be encouraged to sign-up early , to ensure that the draft position they choose is close to the one they really want .

    also , the site only offers 8 – 10 – 12 -14 teams .
    (again , your choice).

  17. Grey

    Grey says:

    @BigFatHippo: Right, this is a special circumstance league where you have to know how much you’re willing to pay. Say Hanley is drafted for $45, what does that make Rollins? $42? Maybe $48 because now there are no more Shortstops left of any value. You’re not going to find any system that tells you exactly what dollar value someone should go for. You need to read the room and read the value your leaguemates are assigning to people.

    @big o: Not sure what your password will be, but I think it might be lowercase. Just make it standard 5×5, 12 team, 2 catchers. If it’s one pick per day how long will that take three months? That’s kinda crazy.

  18. BigFatHippo says:

    @big o: Count me in, can I draft Ludwick in the 1st round? It’s a mock!!!!!!!!

    @Grey: Confusing yes, but that clarifies it a little. Wright was kept for 23 btw, probably the steal of our league. He finished 5th though, poor guy.

  19. BigFatHippo says:

    @big o: Count me in, can I draft Ludwick in the 1st round? It’s a mock!!!!!!!!

    @Grey: Confusing yes, but that clarifies it a little. Wright was kept for 23 btw, probably the steal of our league. He finished 5th though, poor guy.

  20. big o says:

    ok . you have sent an idiot on a fool’s mission .

    after signing up for the site , look to the left , under custom drafts .
    password is GABAZ …. (all caps)

    i have signed up for the 14th spot , so that if you want to make it 12 teams , i can simply move .

    let me know how this looks .

    outside guess ==> we could finish this in 3 weeks or less .

  21. big o says:


    those wishing to sign up now may do so .
    understand that some changes may occur .
    read the red-letter information , once inside the draft room .
    pick your position .

    once we have max-ed out with site members , we can decide to allow computer picks , or invite friends .
    end date will be affected by # of non-computer participants , to some extent .

  22. Grey

    Grey says:

    @big o: I’m sure 14 is fine. Now you just have to collect people. There’s some people in the CC Signing post talking about this too, make sure and go back and look at that.

    FYI, and this is to everyone, I hope ya’ll drop a link to Razzball in other people’s sites like you guys do here. Or at least randomly use yawnstipating. I’m going for sushi and then lots of drinks. Will be back later drunk. Play nice.

  23. when young is healthy, he’s a monster. but that’s just the thing, can he stay healthy?

  24. BigFatHippo says:

    @Grey: Looking forward to you being drunk for a change. You know sushi is raw fish don’t you?

    I’ve eaten lots of sushi, one live goldfish at a time, please don’t notify peta. They might take my Arowana away.

  25. big o says:

    check out the couchmanagers mock .
    sign up
    let me know what you think .

  26. Freak says:

    @Grey: “FYI, and this is to everyone, I hope ya’ll drop a link to Razzball in other people’s sites like you guys do here.”

    I would totally link you at my blog…but I’m in a fantasy league with all of them. I’d much rather they not have this information. Sorry, you are too good.

  27. big o says:

    good going , freak .
    i think this mock draft should bring things a bit more out in the open around here .
    give us something to talk about .

    the round by round results of this draft will only be visible to participants and to postings on this site .

  28. Scott says:

    Hey all…The mock draft sounds fun –

    would ya mind me posting a link to your site on mine?

  29. Mikey says:

    @Big O and @ Grey … I’m up for a slow draft. Email me me the particuplars ([email protected]).

  30. rob says:

    Not sure I count Chris Young as a “sleeper,” being as he was one of the best pitchers in the game in 2006 AND 2007.

  31. Grey

    Grey says:

    @josh q public: Well, last year was pretty fluky. Unless you’re saying he’s like Cousin Oliver from The Brady Bunch and he’s just straight jinxed.

    @BigFatHippo: Ugh, head doesn’t feel good.

    @Freak: No worries, I understand.

    @Scott: No, of course not. Go for it.

    @Mikey: Cool, I’ll point Big O in its direction.

    @big o: See Comment # 29.

    @rob: In the mocks I’m seeing, he’s being drafted later than he should.

    EDIT: Forgot major parts of speech. Very hungover.

  32. BigFatHippo says:

    @Grey: I warned you man, those Strawberry Dacquiries will kill ya!

  33. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @big o: @Grey: I signed up at position ten, my new favorite draft position.

  34. big o says:

    @Mikey: @Scott: @Hank:

    check out the SLOW MOCK DRAFT .

    FORUM posting .
    general player section .


    DRAFT POSITION based on 1st come / 1st served .

    link provided in forum .

  35. Steve says:

    @big o: @IowaCubs: @Grey: I’m in at 11. Hopefully my access to the draft won’t be blocked by firewall/proxy server at work. Doesn’t look like the draft runs off an application like MDC so should be OK.

    Grey – sounds like you need to follow your gf’s example and CLEANSE. Mind you, so should I. It’s been one of those weekends.

    Back to work for a rest…

  36. Grey

    Grey says:

    @IowaCubs: 1-9 too easy for you?

    @Steve: Your back is, um, back in shape?

  37. BigFatHippo says:

    @Grey: Bloody Mary time grey, belly up. I’ll even put a little umbrella in it for ya.

    @Steve: Kiwi juice for you?

  38. Grey

    Grey says:

    @BigFatHippo: I’m off to see Frost/Nixon — BTW, Doubt was excellent, saw that last weekend. Congrats on passing 1000 comments, you overtook @Steve: like a BigFatHippo.

  39. Jimmy ray says:

    @grey: what is your problem with verlander?I have him on my keeper team. If you are expecting 20 wins, 200 k’s….you will be disappointed. But all I am looking for is 13-16 win, 165-185 K’s with a fairly low whip and era. I doubt I will ever have Young on a squad because I see him as a 5th starter type for some of the reasons you stated. first half pitcher and never pitches a whole year 160-180 innings. I bet he will also be part of the fire sale going on. what you think of his value if he is traded away from that pitchers park?

  40. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Jimmy ray: Young’s a flyball pitcher so a decent amount of his value comes from being a Padre, so, yes, he’d lose some luster if he were traded. I haven’t heard any rumors involving him though. And really the Padres don’t seem like they’re having a fire sale as much as just trying to trade away Peavy.

    Verlander’s strikeouts dropped, his home runs per flyballs were abnormally low (which meant he was actually lucky last year) and he’s losing speed on his fastball. I will probably devote a whole post to Verlander, but he’s not due for a huge bounceback. He might get to a low 4.00 ERA and 150 Ks, but in 190 IP that’s not great.

  41. Steve says:

    @Grey: What do you think is the cause of Verlander’s regression? Simple wear and tear?

  42. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: That’s a good question. At 26, it shouldn’t be wear and tear and it doesn’t seem to be. It seems like he was always a low 4 ERA pitcher with natural fluctuations. So he could be a 4.50 ERA or he could be a 3.75. What it boils down to, he’s not really a 3.50 pitcher who got really unlucky last year.

    @BigFatHippo: Rudy added $ amounts to Point Shares.

  43. Steve says:

    @Grey: So he’s come back to kind of round about where he should be?

    He is only 26 and while pitchers’ workloads are obviously carefully managed, but he’s been throwing pretty hard for pretty much (I assume) his whole career, so maybe his arm is a little worn.

    Disclosure: I know next-to-nothing about the physiology of pitching.

  44. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: Yeah, I’d say he’s being taken in the above draft about where he should be. He’s not a 2 starter that can take the next step to be a number 1. He’s a three starter than might fall into a 2 starter year.

    Wow, I think I’ve just written my Verlander post in these comments. I just need to transcribe.

  45. BigFatHippo says:

    @Grey: How was Frost/Nixon? Looks pretty interesting.

    Did your old lady make you go to that Meryl Streep movie? I’ll rent it cause I like Hoffman, but wouldn’t pay fitty bucks to see it in theater.

  46. Grey

    Grey says:

    @BigFatHippo: I get free screenings sometimes. Doubt was one. It was really good. It would play well on a TV though (or a stage). Frost/Nixon was a solid B. B+ if you’re a history buff. B- if you really couldn’t’ care less. Langella was pretty amazing, great casting. Dooode had Nixon down.

    Did you see there’s now $ amounts on Point Shares?

  47. BigFatHippo says:

    @Grey: Prolly a B+ for me then, I lived through that whole Watergate thing.

    re: Point shares, where do I find that? There’s no link.

  48. Grey

    Grey says:

    @BigFatHippo: Scroll over 2009 Fantasy Baseball Rankings at the top of the page, a menu should dropdown. Click ten or twelve.

  49. BigFatHippo says:

    @Grey: Wow, make that printer friendly and Rudy just came up with the perfect cheat sheet.

    You realize what this means? No Razzball reader will ever tell a rival about your site, you’re blackballed dooode, bwuuhahaha……………..

  50. Steve says:

    @BigFatHippo: Dunno if you’re on Mac or PC or what browser you’re using, but in Firefox on a Mac, you can control-click (same a right-click) on the spreadsheety bit and from the menu that appears select This Frame>Open Frame in new tab.

    This opens the spreadsheety bit in a new browser tab, funnily enough. Then select File>Print and you should be able to print the entire contents from there. You’ve also got an option to save the page as a .PDF which you should certainly be able to print out.

    Otherwise, PM me in the forum and I can send ’em to ya.

  51. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: Thanks, man. I appreciate you fielding that.

  52. BigFatHippo says:

    @Steve: Dude, I am completely illiterate when it comes to computers. All I know is I got a Dell, yeah baby. Apparently the batteries were included cause I didn’t have to insert any. Not in the back, not in the crack, not in a boat, not with a goat, I do not like green eggs and ham, I do not like them Sam I am.

    So yeah, send em to me, I’ll PM you. Whatever that means. ( I don’t even know what BFF stands for, that’s how stoopid I am)


  53. BigFatHippo says:

    @Grey: Put Steve in charge of making Pointshares printer friendly and throw him a few Pina Coladas, ya think?

  54. Grey

    Grey says:

    @BigFatHippo: Agreed, I had no idea what Steve said was possible either. He’s an asset.

  55. Steve says:

    @Grey: People call me that all the time. They usually forget the “et” though.

  56. Steve says:

    @BigFatHippo: My PM back at ya seems to be stuck in the Outbox. PM me your email address, or post it here it you don’t mind a bunch of Razzballing stalkers…

  57. big o says:

    somebody just threw a couple of shoes at george bush ?
    can’t wait to see airport security’s take on that .

    nitkita should have taught him ….. never let go of the shoe !

  58. Steve says:

    @big o: I’ve got to say, as symbol of disrespect, the Iraqi brandishing of the shoe takes some beating.

  59. Jimmy ray says:

    @ grey: I live here in the D and got to hear all the rumors about verlander. Jack Morris said he thought his delivery had changed as if he was covering up for an injury. He was short arming his pitches. The tigers claimed to be a bad habbit type of thing they worked on it and his fastball did increase for a month or two and he won a few games vs some really rottons team before tanking again. there was also a tipping his pitches rumor….Time will tell but his fastball was there so I see a bounce back year coming. The guy needs to grow up some too. he is one of those guys who speeds way up when things start to go bad and just makes things worse

  60. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Jimmy ray: His fastball has been slowing since ’06, and going on the stats alone, a turnaround doesn’t seem overly promising. But you could be right, maybe it’s a maturity thing.

  61. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @Rudy Gamble: You are banned from linking to YouTube. I know the guys who run that site and they’re on to you. Banned.


  62. @IowaCubs: You’re onto me. My writing on Razzball is just a cover to boost traffic to YouTube – the site I made billions selling to Google. You have humbled me in a much kinder way than the Iron Sheik would have.

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