The Red Sox signed David Price to a seven-year deal for $217 million.  MFW I heard.  I get that half goes to the government, and ten percent goes to his lawyer, and ten percent goes to his agent, and ten percent goes to his business manager, and ten percent goes to his accountant, and ten percent goes to the guy in his business manager’s office that is pretending to be his business manager and moving money straight to a bank account in Turks and Caicos without anyone knowing, but $217 million is ludicrous.  The Ghost of Curt Flood says, “Ya’ll abusing the crack baby out free agency.”  The ‘crack baby’ modifier is popular amongst ghosts.  The Ghost of Marion Barry started it.  This contract makes me long for the days of collusion.  This doesn’t even take into account how stupid it is from the Red Sox perspective, and I don’t mean just due to Price’s unstellar (Made Up Word of the Day!) playoff history.  There will never be a contract where this much money ever makes sense.  Look at your World Champion Royals, they don’t have one guy making more than ten million.  Look at the past handful of huge contracts, have any of them looked good in hindsight?  By the third year, this will look as egregious as the contracts given to Sabathia, A-Rod, Cano, Ryan Howard…Okay, nothing will look as bad as Ryan Howard’s.  It’s not like contracts are secret either.  It’s not as if the Red Sox are sitting there scratching their heads wondering how much the Royals are paying Hosmer.  Big contracts get you nowhere!  I said that last sentence while pounding my fist on a lectern as a few kids dozed in the front row.  As for Price, he’ll turn 31 years old during the 2016 season, which is not exactly when pitchers get better, but he looks like he could stave off decline for a year or two.  Last year, his fastball velocity went up from 2014, his K-rate was above his career average and his walk rate was within sneezing distance of his career mark.  He was a tad lucky on homers, LOB% and BABIP, but he appears to be 2.70-3.20 ERA pitcher with neutral luck.  Of course, I wouldn’t draft him since I don’t buy number one fantasy aces, but I doubt Fenway or the AL East really hurt him that much.  At least not until the third year of his deal when there will be 217 million reasons why the Red Sox want to unload him.  For 2016, I’ll give him the projections of 17-7/3.03/1.10/225 in 220 IP.  Anyway, here’s what else I saw this offseason for 2016 fantasy baseball:

Mark Trumbo – Traded to the Orioles for Steve Clevenger, who sounds like the real name of a horror film murderer.  “I’m just going to take my girlfriend out on this boat in this deserted town on this man-made lake for some premarital sex.  What could go wrong?”  That’s what they say right before Steve Clevenger gets into the water and starts paddling with oars that have been sharpened into knives.  Whenever a trade goes down that would be vetoed in a fantasy league, I scratch my noggin and wonder what’s going on.  Either you want the Mariners GM in your fantasy league because he’s so dopey or there’s more to Steve Clevenger.  Um, yeah, there’s nothing to Steve Clevenger.  I do like saying his name though.  Trumbo gets an obvious bump in fantasy value going to Camden and away from Safeco.  Trumbo’s never really been bad, he’s been injured, a lot.  Wouldn’t surprise me to see him put up a career year with 35+ homers, but it also wouldn’t surprise me to see him play 75 or less games and hit 14 homers.  For 2016, I’ll give him the projections of 72/28/86/.265/1.

Nori Aoki – Signed with the Mariners.  Aoki feels like one of those signings where a team’s fans get excited.  “Great on base guy!”  “Man, I love his wheels!”  “A table setter!”  Then, at some point in June, they realize he’s 34 years old and hasn’t stayed healthy in two years and isn’t staying healthy in 2016 either.  For this year, my projections are 62/5/33/.281/16 in 480 ABs.

Gordon Beckham – Signed with the Braves.  This is what happens when someone challenges the Braves front office with, “I bet you can’t make this team worse.”

Peter BourjosPhillies claimed him off of waivers.  The road that Bourjos walks on is paved with a thousand broken fantasy baseballers’ hearts, which is kinda not cool.  That’s not a cobblestone, you jerk, it’s my heart!

Yonder Alonso – Traded to the A’s.  Of course, he was.  It’s only a surprise it took this long for the A’s to get this constantly underperforming, platoon-friendly 1st baseman with little power but big-time on base skills.  Can the A’s trade for Yasmani Grandal already or do I need to write a strongly worded letter?  For 2016, I’ll give him 47/8/56/.276/2 in 450 ABs.

Ike Davis – Non-tendered by the A’s.  Ah, last year’s 1st baseman reclamation project by Beane.  Oh well, Alonso’s in town now and it’s time to fry up some new re-tried Beanes.

Drew Pomeranz – Went the over way in the Alonso trade.  Pomeranz now finds himself in Petco, which seems appropriate.  Babe Ruth in The House That Ruth Built = Pomeranz in Petco.  Only thing that would be more fitting is if the New York Mets changed to the Mutts and played in the Javits Center during the Westminster Dog Show.  For now, Pomeranz is slotted in the bullpen, which is fine as long as it’s not a bulldog.

  1. Shaggy says:
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    Move over, Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees – here comes Steve Clevenger.

    Awesome.

  2. Running Frog says:
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    Evening from North North Korea, Grey! First off, big props to you for not going with the obvious headline “The Price Is Wrong!” I am sure there was a temptation, but you resisted. Good on ya.

    Tells you how desperate advertisers are for eyeballs. Half of MLB’s revenue is from national and local media deals, which are funded entirely by what advertisers are willing to pay. In the post-DVR world with cord-cutting rampant, live sports are the only segment that still guarantees a captive audience.

    The money those advertisers used to spend on ads in magazines we no longer buy, newspapers we no longer read, local news we no longer watch, basic cable we watch on DVR with ad-skipping, and premium cable we wait to stream on Netflix… it’s all flooding into live sports. And no sport competes with baseball for live, local eyeballs.

    The huge contracts being paid to baseball players just show you exactly how desperate advertisers are to reach you.

    For an actual question… how much stock do you put in the “doubles will turn into home runs” philosophy when looking at the under-24 crowd and projecting them out? That camp points at kids like Machado with gusto, seeing his rookie year doubles now clearing the fences a few years later. Do you buy in? Do you look at a Polanco and not care that his HRs only went from 7 to 9 last year (in twice the PAs) because the doubles went from 9 to a whopping 35? (and 29 XBH after the All-Star break but who’s counting)… Your thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Running Frog: Rudy does the titles…Power trends up until the mid-20s then trends back down in the 30s…Polanco will be a guy whose power will go up this year…

  3. Packers says:
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    In a 12 team weekly dynasty league keep all, 10 pitchers, my SP staff consist of,
    Kershaw
    Archer
    Stroman
    Liriano
    Happ
    Corbin
    Ray
    W.Y. Chen
    Gause an
    D. Norris.
    I have 4 quality closers. We have 5 reserves also.
    I’m thinking of packaging 2 or 3 SP for an upgrade such as Carrasco, Ross, Quintana type. Do you agree or hold? Who would you try to trade, and or keep. Just trying to tweak my roster.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Packers: Chen, Gausman and Ray for Ross or Carrasco?

  4. Clyde Prompto says:
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    I’m a Red Sox fan, and I completely agree with your take on Price. I’d have preferred it if they’d sent a few of their allegedly great prospects away for a Sonny Gray, Carrassco, Taijuan Walker-type.

    • Ralph Lifshitz

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      @Clyde Prompto: WHY!!!!! This team prints money, they invested in their team gave up zero prospects or draft picks. They aren’t the Twins, they don’t need to be fiscally responsible. They charge absurd prices for everything! They monetize everything! Buy a brick with your name on it! Christmas at Fenway! Get married at Fenway!! Buy! Buy! Buy! The least they can do is invest in starting pitching. Last year would have been very different had they just ponied up the dough for Max and not bought Hanley, Pablo, Masterson, Traded for Porcello and then over paid him.

      I completely disagree, they needed Price, and he was the best option available. Why does everyone think that Sale and Gray would have been so easy to get? AHHHHHHH!!!!

      Also Walker and Carrasco? Really? That’s the answer? Walker isn’t in Price’s league yet, and Carrasco is a year and a half yuonger and has one great/very good MLB season.

      I say this knowing it’s going to open up the flood gates, but still no one can tell me they shouldn’t have done this. They can afford a $30 million pitcher, CC is an awful comp BTW. He’s an obese alkie that was never as consistently good as Price.

      We all thought we’d hate the Lackey contract by the end of it, and funny enough his best years came at the end. BTW he was 37 this year

      Sincerely,
      Angry Ralph

        • Ralph Lifshitz

          Ralph Lifshitz says:
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          @nick the dick: Nice! Big L makes me happy.

          Also welcome to the Razznasty brother!

          • nick the dick says:
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            @Ralph Lifshitz: settin’ it off, lettin’ it off, whateva!…Thanks man

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @Nick: You watch Top Chef?

          • nick the dick says:
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            @Grey: I didn’t yet, but it snuck up on me. Gonna watch tonight and we can make our early picks.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, watch and then we’ll make picks… Without saying spoilers, it’s a very solid group… BTW, I had no idea Dumb Starbucks was Nathan For You…I remember when that happened in LA

              • nick the dick says:
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                @Grey: Yeah I mentioned it a ways back. Nathan’s so good. Did you go get a Dumb Venti Latte?

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  I didn’t, but it was on my iCal to do, just never got down there… If I knew Nathan for You at the time, I would’ve made a point of it

      • MattTruss

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        I agree 100% Ralph, I like this move for the Sawx. Price was needed and it’s JUST money, the not giving up a draft pick angle is very overlooked. That’s a big deal these days. Price’s pitching style lends himself to not breaking down and with any luck, he opts out in three years anyway when SP contracts are even BIGGER due to more influx of ginormous TV money and the Sawx can skate away Scott free, WS title likely in hand. Even if he does stick around, in 5 years, 30 million a year will still be a lot, but won’t be the biggest deal ever. The money is MLB is real and very large. Even “small market” teams are rolling in it. I’d much rather be a fan of a team that is choosing to spend that money as opposed to one who’s just sitting on their fat stacks and putting a middling team out there.

        I think too much is made of his post season record as well. Talent wins out, jut like how everyone said Kershaw couldn’t win a playoff game. Price is 2-7 in the post season, want to know who else started their career with a 2-7 post season record? Randy Johnson.

        • Ralph Lifshitz

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          @MattTruss: I was going to bring up the Johnson thing. And we’re all stat guys, don’t we collectively look at small sample sizes with raised brows? Many are overlooking the large number of cheap controllable assets the Sox have. Betts, Swihart, Xander, JBJ, Eduardo Rodriguez, Brock Holt, and to a lesser (and more expensive) extent Rusney. They also have a very good farm with at least a few pitchers (Owens, Johnson, and hopefully Espinoza) that should make MLB contributions in the next 2-3 years.

          I hated the Pablo and Hanley deals because A. They aren’t elite like Price 2. Both were considered dogs and POS in the clubhouse.

          • MattTruss

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            I didn’t mind Pablo, figured at least his glove would keep him usable. I didn’t foresee his defense completely falling off the map and him checking out hot lolitas on Instagram while taking a dump mid game. Hanley deal was/is pretty brutal, hard one to get behind. Looked great in April though!

          • Baezaworldseries says:
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            @Ralph Lifshitz: Are you afraid Dombrowski is about turn that bucket of gold(the farm system) upside down and shake it until every flake floats away in the wind?

      • Grey

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        @Ralph Lifshitz: Lackey’s as bad a comp as CC then… Of course, they needed Price, because last year trying to staff six number fives was an awful idea… In hindsight, Hanley and Pablo are bad…Actually, all you get with Pablo is hindsight because every angle you look at him, all you see is his ass…. BTW, I never said Price would be bad this year for the Sox

        • Ralph Lifshitz

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          @Grey: I don’t think he’ll be bad in four years. His off speed stuff is good and he has good control.

          I don’t think Lackey is good comp as a pitcher (because Price’s control is better and he gives up less homers), but he’s proof that you can see out a big deal and still not be an albatross at 37. C.C didn’t age well because he never took care of himself. I’ve heard this comp dozens of times in the last day but everyone using it completely ignores the obvious differences in physical makeup. The funny thing is these C.C compers are the same people who used Pablo’s weight as a deterrent last season (which I agreed with).

          I know you said he wouldn’t be bad in the first couple of years but I don’t think this is a CC, Mike Hampton, Cano type situation.

          • Grey

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            I’m gonna forget the CC thing, I only mentioned him because he was a top pitcher in baseball when he signed a huge contract that looked bad after a few years… You know another pitcher who had great stuff and solid control? Verlander… Age is tough to fight for guys who throw 94… Could Price become a slightly different pitcher and equally as good at 34? Sure, but I was more annoyed with a team that is willing to spend $200 million and 7 years when anyone with any sense would say do $50 million for two years and see what happens then… It’s not like $50 million isn’t a lot of money. That clubs don’t do this and give in to these exorbitant contracts that age poorly is more a problem with baseball and not Price, Red Sox or this one contract…

            • Ralph Lifshitz

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              @Grey: I agree completely, but it’s not going to change. These deals get bigger and teams keep giving them. I mean hell the Cards were going to go 7 at $190+ that says something when even St. Louis is getting into the spending game. Believe me if the Red Sox could have gotten players to take short term deals with big annual value they would. The only way this changes is if a salary cap was implemented or if contracts weren’t 100% guaranteed.

              This is going to get some eye rolls, but the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, and Cubs are a lot like top European football (soccer) clubs. They make money hand over fist, have massive global fanbases and the expectations are to buy, perform, win titles. No one cares what Barcelona/ Real/ Bayern spends, they buy the best players, and win a lot because of it.

              • Grey

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                Yeah, I agree with your agreeing… This is crazy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_sports_contracts

                Baseball is like the top 100 contracts out of the top 101…. It’s ridiculous. Guys can get paid, because we know the clubs get paid, but $217 million should never be paid to any athlete ever

                • Ralph Lifshitz

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                  @Grey: Wow Kyle Seager is on that list lol

                  • Grey

                    Grey says:
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                    Exactly

                • Running Frog says:
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                  @Grey: I think you’re tilting at windmills here, Grey.

                  A top baseball player pulling down $35 million a year is no more ridiculous than these income totals from last year:

                  $60m – Gordon Ramsay
                  $57m – Ed Sheeran
                  $50m – Jackie Chan
                  $47m – Vin Diesel
                  $39m – Drake
                  $29m – Channing Tatum

                  And it pales in comparison to peeps like:
                  $80m – Robert Downey Jr
                  $80m – Taylor Swift

                  Or the $180m that Mayweather made for just one fight…

                  And by the time that Price contract is ending, making $100m a year probably won’t even put you in the top 30 entertainers. ($29m gets you 88th place today).

                  • Grey

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                    Lebron signed a two-year $42 mil deal, that seems appropriate for the best of the best baseball player… 7 year deal is simply a 3-year deal that has an extra 4 years padded on so he’d sign with the Red Sox, it’s absurd… Ramsay made $60 mil and worked every fifth day for six months, right? While being a part of team of 24 other players? These celebrity salaries and hedge fund managers are apples and oranges…

                    BTW, Vin Diesel earned every penny of that.

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                      @Grey: I realize you’re playing Devil’s Advocate here. I know you don’t honestly believe a starting pitcher only works 3 hours every 5th day for 6 months…

                      Americans want to be entertained. And we pay more for that skill than we do for any other. And it really does all come back to advertising dollars. Facebook is only worth $300 billion because it can convince people to look at ads, and companies desperately need people to see their ads.

                    • Grey

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                      Yeah, and Lebron is not entertaining people? Is he not being paid a healthy sum? But he’s not getting $217 million… I’d say Lebron is a bigger star/draw than Price ever… Baseball’s screwed up along the way with free agency, but I can’t fix it…

                    • Grey

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                      One last thing, Samardzija is reportedly looking at $18 mil per season…And baseball salaries aren’t screwed up?

                • Christine Michael: one Unlucky Whitehead (just pop him or not) says:
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                  @Grey: if they wanted actual parity (like NHL/NFL) they would do this.

              • Noam says:
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                @Ralph Lifshitz:

                True, but the revenue in baseball keeps going up and up. I’d rather the players benefit than the owners just sit around with fat stacks.

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            BTW, I just went to baseball-reference and grabbed their ten best comps (some guys that were great at age 29 that stopped being great soon after):

            Johan Santana (958)
            Jered Weaver (956)
            Roy Oswalt (952)
            Tim Hudson (942)
            Jon Lester (938)
            John Candelaria (938)
            Doug Drabek (937)
            Cole Hamels (937)
            Jake Peavy (936)
            Max Scherzer (934)

      • Clyde Prompto says:
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        @Ralph Lifshitz: Hahaha Angry Ralph is AWESOME! I get that the team is loaded and that it isn’t my money etc… It just offends my inherently frugal nature. I’m confident Price will be really good for the next two years, and after that nobody knows how fast/severe the decline will be. The scenario that frightens me is if he slips below league-average for the last 2 or 3 seasons, nobody will trade for that contract. So you’ll have to run him out there every five days knowing he’s actively harming your chances of winning. Then things with the fans/media get ugly and I hate that. For what it’s worth, most of my Sox fan friends are on your side of this issue.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Clyde Prompto: It’s a terrible contract that they will regret or unload

      • Clyde Prompto says:
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        @Grey: This is where I think Ralph’s Lackey comp might come into play. Going to the NL bought him extra time as an above-average starter, the same thing could happen for Price if he’s dealt there.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          If the Red Sox change leagues?

          • Ralph Lifshitz

            Ralph Lifshitz says:
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            @Grey: They’re only going to use him in years 6 and 7 against NL teams. Lackey was good his last year and 2/3rds in Boston. Maybe they’ll give Price a phony TJ too if he gets too ornery

            • Grey

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              *wavy lines* Red Sox have decided to send Price for Tommy John because it was in the fine print on the contract. Apparently, Price only read the $217 million part then peace’d out on reading any further.

            • Clyde Prompto says:
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              @Ralph Lifshitz: Forgot all about Lackey’s TJ and subsequent redemption. All of my Lackey/Red Sox memories inolve me shouting obscenities.

          • Clyde Prompto says:
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            @Grey: I meant if Price started to slip, but an NL team thought the league switch would mitigate said slippage for a year or two and traded for him.

            • Grey

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              Yeah, if the Red Sox eat two thirds of the remaining contract

  5. Mike

    Mike says:
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    we have an opening in the Razznasty dynasty league if anyone is interested…here’s the team (16tm 5×5 keep 30 of 40 forever with standard rosters x2 UTIL)

    Norris, Derek – SD
    Duda, Lucas – NYM
    Hoskins, Rhys – PHI
    Smith, Dominic – NYM
    Travis, Sam – BOS
    Phillips, Brandon – CIN
    Westbrook, Jamie – ARI
    Seager, Kyle – SEA
    Andrus, Elvis – TEX
    Barreto, Franklin – OAK
    Canha, Mark – OAK
    Schoop, Jonathan – BAL
    Drury, Brandon – ARI
    Calhoun, Kole – LAA
    Cespedes, Yoenis – (N/A) Free Agent
    Fowler, Dexter – (N/A) Free Agent
    Markakis, Nick – ATL
    Piscotty, Stephen – STL
    Parker, Jarrett – SF
    Almora, Albert – CHC
    Gamel, Benjamin – NYY
    Williams, Nick – PHI
    Frazier, Todd – CIN
    Marte, Starling – PIT
    Puig, Yasiel – LAD
    Meadows, Austin – PIT
    Allen, Cody – CLE
    Bassitt, Chris – OAK
    Eickhoff, Jerad – PHI
    Hendricks, Kyle – CHC
    Jepsen, Kevin – MIN
    Keuchel, Dallas – HOU
    Latos, Mat – (N/A) Free Agent
    Rondon, Hector – CHC
    Teheran, Julio – ATL
    Guerrero, Jordan – CHW
    Leake, Mike – (N/A) Free Agent
    Medlen, Kris – KC
    Banuelos, Manny – ATL Elbow
    Hahn, Jesse – OAK
    Gonsalves, Stephen – MIN
    Reed, Cody A. – CIN
    Senzatela, Antonio – COL

    • MattTruss

      MattTruss says:
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      Whoa, Kid’s bouncing too? So disappointing on so many levels…

      • Ralph Lifshitz

        Ralph Lifshitz says:
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        @MattTruss: How many have we lost?

        • Mike

          Mike says:
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          just 2 that I know of Nick took JFOH’s team so just one now

      • Mike

        Mike says:
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        yeah, I’m bummed

        • What's a Drexl? says:
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          @Mike: wait, didn’t FOH win that league. so the winner quit.

    • Randy says:
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      @Mike:
      If the team is still open I am interested. How do I sign up?

      • Mike

        Mike says:
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        just email [email protected] and I’ll ask Grey to forward me your email address to send you an invite.

      • Mike

        Mike says:
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        invite sent :) check spam if you don’t see it

  6. KB says:
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    Keep 5 Forever: Bryant, Rizzo, Marte, Posey, Heyward, Kinsler, Desmond, Orlando Arcia, DeGrom, Greinke, Kluber

    Thank you in advance!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @KB: Bryant, Rizzo, Marte, Posey, DeGrom

  7. dem ribbies says:
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    Morning Gray,

    Goldy $32 or Rizzo $19

    Kind of leaning Rizzo for the cheaper salary/better supporting cast. Whatcho think?

  8. Hot Rod

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    With Price and Kimbrel, the 2016 Red Sox are shaping up to be this year’s Nationals – full of hype and swagger, played up by the press as contenders, but disappointing in the end. Let’s remember the rest of the rotation is some mix of Buchholz, Rodriguez, Porcello, Miley and Kelly.

    • Grey

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      @JimmyBond: Yeah, Price is far from the only piece they need

    • GhostTownSteve says:
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      @JimmyBond:

      Clay Buchholz is so nasty…most of the time…on those rare occasions when he pitches. He’s got a really, really good pitch mix and great command. Ugly as sin muther though. He could be a 1 with health. High end two. Health

    • Ralph Lifshitz

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      @JimmyBond: The 2015 Nationals were the Red Sox of 2011 and 2014……There is always hype around them.

      BTW that’s still a better rotation than the Royals had, they need bullpen arms.

  9. J-FOH says:
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    I recorded top chef. Never watched before. Is it better than master chef?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Different, but solid in its own way

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: Im ready to jump in your show and let you be the captain of the ship.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I’m pretty confident you’ll like it

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: Ive been living on Master Chef Canada

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I’ve heard good things about MasterChef Lichenstein

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: Master Chef Maldova? Has a nice ring to it

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Every mystery box is goat

  10. Big Magoo

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    In terms of K-rate, velocity, pitch selection, workload, and batted ball data, Price is eerily similar to a former Red Sox pitcher through his age 29 season – Josh Beckett. I’m guessing that the Sox believe that the age 30+ seasons will be much smoother for their new acquisition.

    • Grey

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      Ouch, nice comp

    • GhostTownSteve says:
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      @Big Magoo:

      Yes, but…he also has a dog named Astro.

      • J-FOH says:
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        @GhostTownSteve: and he could of signed with the Astros and been a part of something special. These signings make me wonder if the players union nudges these guys to sign with the big market revenue generating clubs.

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          @J-FOH:

          Without question the union has input and pressures folks to sign the biggest dollar deal. Heard a few ex-players say as much.

          If I had to put myself in Price’s shoes, I would think my number one motivation would be to get back to the post-season and get that monkey off my back. The other big offer reported was from the Cardinals. Price is then looking at the Cubs/Pirates juggernaut that could be in place for awhile. Granted the Cardinals have had recent success and have one of the top organizations but the competition is stiff.

          Meanwhile the AL East seems up for grabs every year for the foreseeable future and the Sox do have a nice base of young, controllable guys who give them flexibility and Dombrowski at the helm which is industry speak for “go for gold every year…there is no tomorrow.”

          Price has had success in Fenway. He knows the AL East. They went close to 30 million above the next team. I think those were all the factors.

          The analytics on $/WAR indicate that Price’s contract should be pretty much in line with his value given current guesses at $/WAR inflation, Price’s age appropriate comps and his projected numbers. Could even be a little bit of a discount. The back loaded dollars probably ding the Red Sox opportunity cost too much. Really the only constraint is the luxury tax, which is not, after all, a salary cap (though perhaps through collusion is functioning as one right now). It’s not like the Sawks run out of money at some point.

          A lot of the handwringing over contract sizes is just old guy get off my lawn stuff. The Price deal is entirely reasonable in this market.

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            @GhostTownSteve:

            probably don’t ding…that should be above

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            The market is the problem…

            • GhostTownSteve says:
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              @Grey:

              What’s the problem with it?

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                You see the list of the highest paid athlete salaries I put above?

                • GhostTownSteve says:
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                  @Grey:

                  I see no problem with it at all. Baseball has money to spend. Everybody associated with MLB is making money hand over fist.

                  The Red Sox have a better chance to win titles with David Price (even given the opportunity cost of his contract) than without him, they spent the money the market dictated…end of story.

                  So 200M seems like “so much money” but by what measure can you say too much? It’s all monopoly money. That’s what it costs. Who cares?

                  And what kind of head explosions are going to happen simultaneously when Bryce Harper signs his 500M dollar deal in a couple of years?

                  • Grey

                    Grey says:
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                    Why has it become Monopoly money though? No other sport is using Monopoly money… Homer Bailey made about as much as the top paid football player. Oh. Wait, what?

                    • GhostTownSteve says:
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                      @Grey:

                      For one reason, MLB players have longer shelf lives than NFL players. Even pitchers.

                      Second of all, MLB is a self-defined universe. How is there any relevance, other than cultural, to how MLB teams distribute their wealth. The size of any contract only has any competitive relevance within that closed marketplace.

                    • Grey

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                      I understand what you’re saying, and I’m not arguing that Price contract is absurd within the context of MLB salaries… If Price can get that kind of money and the Red Sox can pay, then you have to do it or the Yankees, Angels or Dodgers will… I’m saying it’s absurd that it’s come to that…

                    • Grey

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                      Is someone saying right now they are guaranteeing they will pay them $20 million in 2022?

                    • GhostTownSteve says:
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                      @Grey:

                      What’s the AAV on 1.3 billion spread over that time frame?

                      The point is, it’s not particularly productive to put a qualitative value on money. So it seems like a lot in the context of what player used to make or what you and I make or whatever. Totally irrelevant lens through which to view these contracts.

                    • Grey

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                      I see your point, I still think it’s crackers to give a guy $217 million when you know you’re really paying him $100 million extra just to secure him

                  • GhostTownSteve says:
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                    @GhostTownSteve:

                    Adam Sandler made 41.5M in 2015.

                    • Grey

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                      And he can’t even throw a curve!

          • J-FOH says:
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            @GhostTownSteve: I just get goose bumps when there is a chance for any elite arm going to the NL west. If he went to LA or SF there would of been a lot of crotch adjusting over here….a lot. Granted I know the east is “down” to a degree, but having past sucess doesn’t always equate to future success and as he ages, will Fenway be his friend, his enemy or his freinemy. Anythehoo, I’m going to go look at boobs

            • GhostTownSteve says:
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              @J-FOH:

              Does that mean strip club? That’s my cousin’s lingo.

              “Spring training….see some baseball, look at boobs.”

              • J-FOH says:
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                @GhostTownSteve: snapchat and twitter for random boobs

      • Big Magoo

        Big Magoo says:
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        @GhostTownSteve: That sounds like one of those trivia bits on the back of a Topps card

  11. The Big Yabu says:
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    5×5 roto weekly-lineups dynasty league, all players kept indefinitely —
    I was offered Kolten Wong for Jake Odorizzi.
    I have lots of SP already (Price, Greinke, Scherzer, Tanaka, Darvish, Iwakuma, and Matz for 5 SP slots), and a declining Pedroia at 2B.
    Would you take the deal?

    Thanks for the input!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d want Wong

      • CMUTimmah says:
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        @Grey: If Grey can get his hands on Wong, he’s willing to pay a hefty price.

  12. royce! says:
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    Knife oars don’t seem like they’d displace much water, so it could take a while for Clevenger to finally reach those love birds…

    Also, howdy! Been real busy with work and kids and planning for the new bar. Hope your Thanksgiving went well. We were going to skip it because it was just going to be the wife and kids and I, but at the last minute I decided to just do the lowest common denominator version (canned sauce, boxed stuffing, etc., but not canned green beans because blech) and it was brilliant. Totally brought me back to my childhood, though I am now questioning why my mom complained so much about having to cook the meal. Outside of the turkey, it took less than an hour.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      “These Ginzu knifes don’t displace water like I thought they would.” Clevenger going nowhere fast in the water.

      You one-upping mom? That’s some cold shizz, right there. I ended up making just about everything for Cougs’ mom and ten other people… Stuffing, taters, pie, turkey, creamed pearl onions… Onions were the best, the rest was solid if you’re into those sorta things…

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: creamed pearl onions necklace?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah

      • royce! says:
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        @Grey: Wow, that sounds like a lot of work…guess it’s the off season and all. That’s the first I’ve heard of creamed pearl onions. Sounds like something that would have been big in the 50s. Maybe topped with a light dusting of potato chips and spam.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha! What? No Bacos?

          • royce! says:
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            @Grey: Damn, now I’m hungry. Last time I cooked Thanksgiving dinner I tried to get onion rings from Burger King to replace the French’s fried onions that I used to top the green beans, but the place was closed. Thought they would be awesome. I don’t know why I haven’t tried again just for a normal dinner…maybe because it just seems so special.

  13. Scott Kimmel says:
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    Grey

    I’m looking to grab and outfielder in the 6th round of my minor league draft. Here are my choices

    1) Bradley Zimmer CLE
    2) Bubba Starling KC
    3) Manuel Margot SD
    4) Adam Engel CWS
    5) Peter O’Brien ARI
    6) Albert Almora CHC
    7) Lewis Brinson TEX

    I’m thinking either Zimmer or Starling. What’s your opinion on this? Do I have the order of a outfielders right?

    • Grey

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      That order seems fine

      • Scott Kimmel says:
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        Then grab Arcia to go along with Crawford and Correa

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Sure

          • Scott Kimmel says:
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            Then maybe trade one for a SP

            • Malicious Phenom says:
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              @Scott Kimmel: Take Margot before Zimmer, forget Bradley..MLB.com has Margot 25 and Zimmer 26, Bradley isn’t even top 100 anymore..

              • Malicious Phenom says:
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                @Malicious Phenom: I meant Starling, not Bradley..

  14. J-FOH says:
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    what no Cleavenger Steamer jokes?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Did Steamer make bad projections on him?

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: go google Cleveland Steamer

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I prefer not to for the chance of pics

          • Ralph Lifshitz

            Ralph Lifshitz says:
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            @Grey: Word on the street is that’s how Tehol got his first marketing gig.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Tehol’s marketing gig is putting a company name on his thong underwear then telling the company to pay him to remove it.

              • GhostTownSteve says:
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                @Grey:

                seems like the proper strategy would be to get an endorsement deal with a company that makes a herpes drug.

                • Ralph Lifshitz

                  Ralph Lifshitz says:
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                  @GhostTownSteve: Strangely it was with Charmin

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Haha

  15. Ralph Lifshitz

    Ralph Lifshitz says:
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    What’s the groups thoughts on Ryu for next year? I’m on the verge of selling Marcell Ozuna for him in a dynasty league.

    • CMUTimmah says:
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      @Ralph Lifshitz: Depends on length of time. Ryu isn’t getting younger… but maybe they gave him Colson’s arm from SHIELD?

      I’m not high on either play at this point… but a year ago, I was interested in the price tag of both of them… so it all depends on how much your opinion changed. Luckily, someone else wanted both players more than I did last year… so I dodged both bullets. That gentleman took both bullets, flaunted his genius with each pick, and then Cheddar Bob’d himself. I’m not interested in loading my own gun with those bullets.

      Future upside? I think Ozuna has more value.

    • J-FOH says:
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      @Ralph Lifshitz: as much as I love Ryu, Ozuna is still crazy young.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d want Ozuna

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Why is Bleacher Report doing this?

      • nick the dick says:
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        @Grey: no idea. Super weird

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          You watch Fargo yet?

          • nick the dick says:
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            @Grey: Oh yeah, phenomonal….i’m really tight tho, the new Top Chef got deleted when it started recording old reruns today, had it set to keep 5 I guess. Now I gotta wait for the new ep to replay again

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              There’s a new episode tonight, I’m sure they’ll play last night’s before tonight’s…At least I’d guess they would

              • nick the dick says:
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                @Grey: Back to back new episodes? Nice. I won’t cheat, i’ll make my earky pick after the 1st episode

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  It’s all good, I got the guy who made meatballs though, just an fyi

                  • nick the dick says:
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                    @Grey: all yours, i’ll take whoever has a decent beard. Douggie 2.0

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      The best is the guy that is sloppy, okay, that’s all I’ll say

  16. danny almonte says:
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    Grey, trying to make a deep dynasty decision. Might be impossible to know this… think Coghlan will get 2b eligibility early in espn? I think it 10 games. It seemed like he came on strong in the 2nd half and played a handful at 2b. I know he finished with 15 games there.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Doubtful

  17. SwaggerJackers says:
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    How many times do you think you’ve had to write the phrase, “Rudy does the titles” Grey?

    Just wondering.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Five dozen

      • SwaggerJackers says:
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        @Grey: I’ll take the over on that bet.

        • What's a Drexl? says:
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          @SwaggerJackers: i’ve seen him say it at least 3 times in one day before with a really popular title, so def larger than 60.

  18. Scott Kimmel says:
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    Morning Grey

    Would you use the number 2 overall pick to draft Kenta Maeda or use it on someone like Marco Estrada

  19. David Niven says:
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    Who does the titles for these?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Rudy

      • What's a Drexl? says:
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        @Grey: see that was at least twice in one day right here. gotta think at least 85% of people don’t read the other posts.

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