Another year, another Archie Bradley outlook post.  He now has two said posts, which might be it for him, if he can’t start to make good on his promise.  Here’s what Prospect Mike said this year on him, “Many fantasy owners thought Bradley might have already made his debut by now, but elbow problems and a D-Backs squad that went nowhere again in 2014 stalled his progress. Kinda like how Grey’s maturity level stalled in the 4th grade.”  Hey, I’m way more of a middle schooler!  Here’s what I said last year, “Archie reminds me of Taijuan Walker, only rawer.  BTW, try to say rawer out loud and not sound like a lion.  Yeah, you can’t.  Is it me or does it seem the nastier a guy’s stuff is the less control they have over it?  It’s like if a hitter doesn’t know where a pitch is going, then the pitcher probably doesn’t either.  Another guy Bradley reminds me of is Max Scherzer.  It took Scherzer six years to figure out where his pitches were going.  Member all of those years I loved Scherzer and he was frustrating to own?  Because I love stuff and you just never know when the control is going to come.  Bradley’s control could come this year.  More than likely, it’ll come in another year or two.  He’s only 21 years old.  If he doesn’t figure out control until age 24, he’ll still have plenty of time to rack up Cy Young awards, but will be useless for fantasy for another three years.  So, I love him like his momma, but there’s no way I’m drafting him in mixed leagues.”  And that’s me quoting me!  Unfortch, I was way more prescient than I wanted to be with Bradley.  So, what can we expect of Archie Bradley for 2015 fantasy baseball?

Different verse, same as the first.  We need to see some capital-C Control, which coincidentally features the best song on that album, Nasty.  It’s almost like Janet Jackson was singing about rookie pitchers.  No one knows when this control is going to come.  Could come like wildfire this year and suddenly he’s a number one starter.  The reason why he’s sexy is his low-effort delivery that produces a 96 MPH fastball.  The reason why he’s not?  Doesn’t really have a third pitch yet and he had a 5.9 BB/9 in Double-A.  For those slow on the uptake, if you’re giving out walks to minor leaguers at that rate, your shizz is a mess.  Minor leaguers only walk when their bus breaks down.  Even though he didn’t deserve it, the Diamondbacks promoted him to Triple-A last year, because, I imagine, Kevin Towers was like, “What the eff?  I’m gonna get fired anyway.” In Triple-A, Bradley had the same problems with his control.  He couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn with a Medieval catapult flinging Ruben Studdard, sadly racking up a 4.4 BB/9.  A guy that is close to 5 walks per nine is undraftable in any league.  A rookie that’s doing it shouldn’t be a rookie, he should be in the minors until he can repeat his delivery and command his pitches, which is likely where he’ll be to start 2015.  For those in dynasty and deep keepers, you can continue to wait for Bradley; he is still young (22).  Everyone else, this isn’t a flyer you want to take unless he eats a potato chip in the shape of Brad Radke and has a miracle happen to his command.  For 2015, I’ll give him the line of 2-4/4.40/1.49/40 in 50 IP.  In other words, he’s still a mess.

 
  1. gareth says:
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    He does have his comics to read while he gets more seasoning in the minors.

  2. gareth says:
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    Would a Gausman comparison also be apt? Trevor Bauer?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @gareth: Bauer would be closer at this point

  3. gareth says:
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    Hey Jef, you see the new Foxcatcher movie yet?

    I just saw the trailer and Steve Carrell looks amazing in it. He’s almost unrecognizable. It’s had good reviews too.

    • JeF With 1 F says:
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      @gareth: have not seen it but also heard good things about it

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @gareth: Friends saw it yesterday, said it was great, but disturbing

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: like my sex tape

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Amazing but disturbing?

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: yup. Ardolis has nothing on my heater

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I’m not sure how you mean that but I feel gross trying to figure it out

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: then my work here is done

  4. Militant Vegans says:
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    “I’m ‘Enery the Eighth, I am,…’Enery the Eighth I am, I am!”

  5. Baezaworldseries says:
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    Now, I’m going to ruin the comments with a non-avatar post.
    There.

  6. Baezaworldseries says:
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    Why would the Cubs trade for another MLB ready MI? La Stellaaaa… Are they going to move a couple big prospects or what? It’s too soon. Please be Stanton.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Baezaworldseries: Don’t think they’re trading for Stanton after a $325 million deal… The La Stella trade was bizarre… NO idea what the Cubs are thinking, yesterday Mike said it was to make another trade, that makes the most sense to me too…

      • kevinmac says:
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        @Grey: Cole Hamels if the Phils will actually pull the trigger for once

  7. Big W says:
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    Russell Martin to the Jays… according to my sources

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Pretty whatever move from a non-Blue Jays standpoint

  8. gareth says:
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    Cardinals and braves swap Miller and Heyward…….

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, that’s pretty big

    • Militant Vegans says:
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      @gareth: just saw that. interesting…

  9. gareth says:
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    I’m guessing you like the cardinals end better. I know youre not high on Shelby. Me neither. I like the cardinals end too. It makes me sad that Heyward’s partially replacing Tavares though.

    In an offense suppressed game right now, I’d rather have a young hitter with all the tools to still be an impact bat over a decent but not great young pitcher. Seems to be alot of these guys around.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Everyone should want a hitter over a pitcher, unless it’s totally lopsided, which this isn’t…

    • Militant Vegans says:
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      @gareth: there was a time when the Braves thought Heyward was going to be their next great player. makes you wonder why they are giving up on him while he’s relatively young or why they value miller so high. smart move by the Cards to go after a trade while the Braves front office is in transition too.

      as for Gareth’s comment re: Taveras, the first thing I thought was “friendship is friendship, but business is business” and the Cards dealt with that rather quickly.

      • gareth says:
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        @Militant Vegans: Agreed. No room for sentiment when it comes to the business end of the sport.

        The cardinals suddenly had a need in the outfield due to unforseen circumstances and acted on that need by pulling off a nice trade for an impact outfielder.

        I’m just sad the kid died thats all, and that the cardinals suddenly had that hole that needed to be addressed (that’s what she said).

  10. gareth says:
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    St Louis also got Jordan Walden in the deal!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Feels pretty lopsided

      • Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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        @Grey: this is trade rape all over. but ATL probably knew it couldn’t afford Heyward after 2015 anyway, that’s probably the point of this deal. Don’t know how Mo got Walden thrown in too though, trade rape with roofies there.

  11. gareth says:
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    Technically the braves wouldn’t have had to make this deal if guys like Medlen, Minor, Beachy etc didn’t keep breaking. With Santana leaving through free agency, an organization always known for starting pitching was looking prettay prettay barren.

    • Grey

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      Still makes no sense

  12. gareth says:
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    No excuse though. Terrible deal for the braves, even if they did get a much needed starter and shed a bit of payroll.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, not sure what they were thinking

      • claw dog says:
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        @Grey: I’m assuming the main reason was that heyward is a free agent next year and they had to choose between heyward and upton, with upton clearly the winner. still definitely could have gotten a shit ton more than miller though

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I think that’s exactly the reason, and rather than giving him away in July for draft picks, they did this

        • gareth says:
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          @claw dog: I’m guessing the cardinals will try to lock up Heyward. If he decides to walk they’ll get a draft pick out of it.

          So – its One year of Heyward, a few years of Walden and a compensation pick for Heyward in 2016 for 4 years of Shelby Miller and a minor leaguer.

          I’d take that.

  13. MattTruss

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    As a Braves fan I’m not too happy about that deal, there’s other ways to fill a rotation spot besides trading a young talent like Heyward. From a real baseball perspective Heyward’s glove was unreal in RF. Say what you want about his bat…

    From a fantasy perspective, Gattis will be full time in LF now though, with Catcher eligibility, yummo!

    But man, losing Heyward’s defense for Gattis’ lack thereof, not a real impressive move for ATL’s new GM regime.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Gattis needs to stay on the field for 150 games, then it’s huge… Baffling move by Braves

    • Militant Vegans says:
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      @MattTruss223: right? I understand about his contract, and that discussions aren’t going anywhere, and the window to make a deal gets smaller as time goes on, but I don’t get it. How about going to the winter meetings, seeing what you could get, THEN make a deal!

    • JeF With 1 F says:
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      @MattTruss223: I love me some Gattis

      • MattTruss

        MattTruss223 says:
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        @JeF With 1 F: mmmmm…oso blanco….

    • Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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      @MattTruss223: i was reading that he had a 4.9 and 5.1 WAR last 2 years, even during not good offensive years, i wasn’t aware his D was that good.

  14. Baseball Cougar says:
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    What’s it do for Heywards fantasy value. Let’s talk about the really important things here :)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Doesn’t hurt it

  15. rabbiyidkid says:
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    hope the braves also trade B.J. Upton & come to their senses & if they have to eat most of the contract to git r done so be it & re-sign Bonifacio & make him their leadoff hitter on the cheap

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      That would make too much sense

  16. Militant Vegans says:
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    I think the Braves are going to go after one or more of the Cuban players soon to be on the MLB market. One of the Cuban players (Moncada) is a middle infielder-type and Tomas was seen by the Giants as a 3B.

    ATL picked up some international signing slots in its trade with CHC and there aren’t as many teams that are able to compete with $$$ for these signings.

    or not…

    • Militant Vegans says:
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      @Militant Vegans: Blue Horseshoe loves Anacott Steel!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, I don’t think the Braves are done

  17. gareth says:
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    Its crazy that Heyward becomes a free agent at 26 years of age.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup

  18. gareth says:
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    With all these young guys getting locked up early, did the braves simply miss the boat on this one? He’s a local kid too, right?

    If you want a laugh, check out what the Indians did with their first round pick the year Heyward was drafted.

    Actually 2000 – 2010 was a real doozie when it came to first round picks for them.

    Luckily they got a new guy for the new decade and results have improved dramatically.

    • Grey

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      Francoeur was a local kid too…

  19. gareth says:
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    Jason Heyward always stings for me as The Indians took BEAU MILLS with the (unlucky for some!) Thirteenth pick in the 2007 draft. Heyward was taken at number 14 by the braves and Devin Mesoraco by the reds with the 15th pick. Matt laporta was taken by the brewers at pick number 7 in the same draft. The Indians traded C.C. Sabathia for him and he was also a bust ( thank god for the PTBNL – Michael Brantley).

    Some other highlights (lowlights):

    2004 – Jeremy Sowers with the 6th pick.
    Homer Bailey was taken immediately after, with Billy Butler, jered weaver, neil walker and Stephen Drew shortly after that.

    2005 – Trevor Crowe with the 14th pick.
    the red sox took Jacoby ellsbury with the 23rd pick. Then clay buchholz at 42.

  20. gareth says:
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    It was actually 2008 the Indians changed their drafting people and this draft produced Lonnie chisenhall and Jason kipnis with the first two picks.

    Not a bad start.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Compared to their other picks they’re not bad

      • gareth says:
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        @Grey: hey!

  21. JeF With 1 F says:
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    Heyward ya blow me…he sucks anyway…#yawnstipating

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, bit yawnstipating yeah… But he’s young and can get better… Or at least back to when he was better…

      • JeF With 1 F says:
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        @Grey: Ha …..hes a cardinal now so anything is possible

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha, yup

  22. gareth says:
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    . If Giancarlo got what he got, what’s Heyward worth when he becomes a free agent in his prime?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Are you saying Giancarlo and Heyward are similar players?

      • gareth says:
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        @Grey: not at all. Giancarlo is a beast.

        Just asking what a 26 year old right fielder who plays great defence, hit 27 home runs in a season recently, can steal a base, hit for a decent average and has the upside to be a star gets as a free agent in today’s market?

        After seeing the money paid to Martin and Stanton today, looks like prices are skyrocketing in mlb.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Prolly $17-20 mill per year

  23. gareth says:
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    Is there a word in the razzball dictionary for players like Heyward who tease greatness yet never quite live up to the hype?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Bit young to write him off

  24. Mike

    Mike says:
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    Sorry about the maturity comment. Totally uncalled for…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Forgiven!

      • Mike

        Mike says:
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        Thank you sir! BTW, Hanson is back at shortstop in the DWL. Pirates said they played him at second to “develop versatility”. The plot thickens…

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Mike: it’s like a mystery thriller

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          He fits better into their immediate future at short, makes sense to me…

          • Mike

            Mike says:
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            for sure

  25. J-FOH says:
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    Me-ouch is going on and on about bad selections by the tribe. Call me a skeptic, but maybe the problem is not the pick but how organizations develop their talent? The Indians most likely can’t develop anyone and that is the flaw.

    • gareth says:
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      @J-FOH: yeah that Kluber development really didn’t work out………

      • J-FOH says:
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        @gareth: pitchers and hitter are different. There track record is not great, and getting moved later isn’t always a recipe for success. With age and lost of time should be easy to understand. When a team draft a players it’s their job to develop them into a pro, unlike football or basketball they don’t come out ready to jump in and play

        • gareth says:
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          @J-FOH: Brantley and Gomes seem to ‘be developing just fine.

          • J-FOH says:
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            @gareth: Brantley was acquired via trade as was Gomes, we are talking about developing players they “drafted” aren’t we kitty cat?

            • Smokey

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              @J-FOH: Then why is Kluber being discussed he was drafted by Padres

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Smokey: G brought him p and shouldn’t you be working on soccer

              • Mantis Toboggan MD says:
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                @Smokey: seems reminiscent of that line… “on a long enough time line the survival rate for every good argument concerning CLE players drops to zero.” haha.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Doubt it’s purely developing talent either because then some of those guys would go elsewhere and be successful

      • gareth says:
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        @Grey: Exactly.

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: not always true. For college players drafted, by the time they can move on they are at an age where starting a career is a better choice than playing somewhere else. And don’t get me started on the expectations on high school players. The 4 to 5 year development window leaves a lot of room for disaster. And where a player moves will also dictate what happens to them next. Go back and see the tribe over the last ten years, how much of the “home grown” talent came from them. Santana was a lucky grab via trade as was brantley, who BTW is the son of a former player and coach. Honestly, how many teams are great at developing talent in the minors?

        • gareth says:
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          @J-FOH: Agree its a crapshoot. Just saying the Indians became more “shoot” than “crap” recently.

          Chisenhall
          kipnis
          Allen
          Salazar
          Lindor
          Ramirez

          Has been a far better homegrown return since brad grant took over in 2008.
          They are still not a patch on organizations like the cardinals, who seem to strike gold alot.

          But yeah, who the hell knows what a gangly 16-17 year old kid is going to become in 4-5 years?

          • J-FOH says:
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            @gareth: Lindor, Chisenhall, and Ramirez are TBD. Salazar should get traded to San Diego to work it all out. I am only questioning the bats, not the arms

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, not sure… I don’t concern myself with prospects until they’re about to be called up… As I don’t concern myself with every trade rumor…

  26. gareth says:
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    3 cy young winners in the past 7 years. Indians player development sucks!

    • J-FOH says:
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      @gareth: you’re an idiot. Lee was drafted by the Expos and Kluber by the Padres. We are talking about drafting players and developing them. The pithing was never being questioned. The bats are awful from the draft

      • gareth says:
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        @J-FOH: Sabathia was a first round draft pick.

        I know kluber and lee came in trades, but they were DEVELOPED by the tribe.

        Agree on the bats though. The last guy they drafted who was a great hitter was Victor Martinez. The jury is still out on kipnis.

        Guys like Sizemore, Hafner, Choo, Brantley and Gomes all came in trades.

        Hopefully Lindor, Frazier or Zimmer emerges as a legitimately drafted quality bat.

        • J-FOH says:
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          @gareth: Kluber reached AA in Padres system , a team known for developing arms. Don’t over pat yourself on the back

  27. gareth says:
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    I think my roundabout point is, with all the money flooding into MLB, the poorer teams really can’t afford to miss in the draft or even trades. Some bad picks or a terrible trade could be crippling.

    The big teams just eat the loss. *cough* Dodgers *cough* Detroit

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Doesn’t make the rich teams any better in the playoffs — *cough* Dodgers *cough* Detroit

      • gareth says:
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        @Grey: Yeah. This season was great for that. Its not always going to be the case though.

        I’m loving that “Mo Money Mo problems” trend though!

        Andrew Friedman: “Hey Billy, I just wanted to let you know I have 11 outfielders available and would happily take a $50 gift card at outback steakhouse for andre ethier. I eat steak. I eat money. Just get back to me soon, ok?”

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          It’s been the case more often than not in the last ten years

      • JeF With 1 F says:
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        @Grey: *cough* Yankees….oh wait they havent made the playoffs in two years

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yup, bunch of teams like that…

      • Mantis Toboggan MD says:
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        @Grey: no it doesn’t make any richer team better in any given year’s playoffs, but it does mean if they are run completely terrible they will be the ones to have a chance each and every year, as opposed to the PIT/KC’s of the world, who might be drafted/coached smart as they like, as soon as all those great young players are due for a raise, they aren’t staying on the poor team. It’s why sports leagues without caps are a joke (from a competitive standpoint). it’s like a bunch of kids playing in a yard, except the rich kids get fully functioning equipmunk/doctors/parents/rides to games/diets, and the poor kids, while maybe having more aptitude for the game, that doesn’t pan out when you can’t make the games/get tetanus shots/dodge a beating at the hands of your drunken low life parents/get to eat dog food for dinner (or mcdonalds). Metaphor goes farther, so in hockey/football the league makes the rich parents either donate money/resources/make the poor kids wards of the state and all of a sudden they aren’t malnurished, abused cretins so much anymore, making all the teams have an actual chance at competing each and every year.

        • Mantis Toboggan MD says:
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          @Mantis Toboggan MD: at the start, i meant the rich teams have a chance pretty much all the time, unless they are run terribly (i.e. NYY). In the next 5 years i’m pretty sure we’ll still be talking about DET/LAD being at least having a chance each and every preseason at titles. Does anybody really think we’ll EVER say that about any of PIT/SD/MIA/TB/KC etc, even for more than 3 years consecutively? Nope. It’s a competitive joke. It is cute and snuggly when a team like KC has a chance in the finals, but that literally happens about twice every 30 or so years. How about PIT/SD/TB/MIA (actually MIA has a good record in this).

  28. gareth says:
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    Hey Grey,

    The keith law comment about me the other day was a compliment, right?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Prolly, I don’t remember the comment…

  29. gareth says:
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    Ok, time for a cat nap.

    I sincerely hope I don’t dream about that J-foh sex tape mentioned earlier. Really don’t want to be waking up from a nightmare with a cold sweat.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha

  30. Wake Up says:
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    I DON’T WANT TO SEEEEEEEEE THAT!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha

  31. MattTruss

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    Gareth, buddy, think it’s time to focus on quality vs quanitity, good diety of choice man! It’s like you replaced the terrible, self-branding catch-phrase with 25 extra comments.

    After witnessing the slap fight between Nick and JFOH the other day I checked out both Rugged Man and Logic. The result is Logic hasn’t left my headphones/speakers since Friday afternoon. Good stuff, I’m a fan.

    • J-FOH says:
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      @MattTruss223: Thanks…I think. I got opinions yo’s

      • MattTruss

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        @J-FOH: Absolutely, checked out some interviews with him too and agree with a lot of what you said. Just seems like a good kid, the fact he’s not dead or behind bars in itself is amazing, nevermind being incredibly successful. Funny though, he’s all “peace, love and positivity”, not really something I’d expect the hateful one to be buying into, haha. I love that shizz though, like him saying how people are weirded out that he’s nice. Why is that looked at as odd?

        • J-FOH says:
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          @MattTruss223: I only hate what I wants to hate. He’s a solid Kid with a bright future. How many 21 year olds take ownership of their f**ked up lives and use hard work and not accepting the hand they were dealt as motivation to get out of it. He was cooking crack from age 12 and decided that was wrong and was not something to glorify but something to abhor and use as a cautionary tale.

          • MattTruss

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            @J-FOH: Haha, gotchya. Right, but at the same time, he’s like, if that’s what you know and that’s part of your life, then whatever, who am I to judge. He’s not preaching high and mighty ‘cuz he got out, just seems real chill and really talented.

      • Wake Up says:
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        @MattTruss223: @J-FOH: hahaha…been listening to Logic as well…good stuff…Kendrick….not so much…

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Wake Up: WAKE! thanks, he is actually a bright spot in the youth of today

    • nick the dick says:
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      @MattTruss223: There was no slapfight, just friendly banter. It certainly wasnt me hating on Logic, it’s okay but not great and when JFoh suggests something that much I expect great. It sounds eerily similar to plenty of those trendy new age rap kids who get pooular and mostly I was just suprised he likes it that much. You could play 10 different guys who have that voice when they flow and what hes rapping about doesnt compensate for what I think his skill level is. Oh, a rapper cooked crack? Wow what a revelation. Super original. Sorry its not for me is all. Its not bad, just not for me. And as far as rugged man, that was not the debate at all. I didnt bring him up. It’s apples and oranges but logics album certainly isnt better. As jfoh said he just lumps together all good albums as equal, whatever that means.

      • MattTruss

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        @nick the dick: Ha, to each their own, just curious though, who are the 10 guys that sound just like that? I don’t follow the music scene as much as I did back in college, so I really don’t know. It’s new to me. I see the Kendrick comparisons, but they’re both plenty different enough too.

        • nick the dick says:
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          @MattTruss223: Eh I really dont follow a whole lot of newer stuff but either but I know it sounds like this. The voice, the new age beats with rapping fast and slowing down and singing type stuff, the constant ‘look at me I made it so im gonna live life’ lyrics. If you played some of his songs and told me its the new Drake or J Cole or Mac Miller song, I wouldnt question that it wasnt. I obviously dont listen to any of those guys but thats the feel I get from Logics music.

        • nick the dick says:
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          @MattTruss223: Honestly JFoh is right though, I am a hater. I hate most things. Im very tough to please with hip hop.

          • J-FOH says:
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            @nick the dick: I think you miss my appeal to him. He’s a pretty mature kid and I think that shows in his tracks.

            I don’t try to say this album is better than that album, if its good then its good. You are a hater, which I like

  32. gareth says:
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    ME-OUT!

  33. Lville Jim says:
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    325 mill, I can see Loria installing pay toliets and charging for mustard and ketchup starting next season.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha

      • SteveNZ says:
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        @Grey: Of course no player is worth that kind of money and my response to outraged people is that at least it’s not public money that’s being spent. But why do I feel that the people of Miami will suffer for this somehow?

        • Grey

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          Of course they will, Loria will find a way…

    • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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      @Lville Jim: yep, just like subway with their napkins, they don’t charge but you get 2 little ones, and when you ask for more (which is the only way to get them), you get at most, 2 more (sometimes getting the same look you would get if you were eating out of a trashcan). My sandwiches weigh about 2.3 lbs, and are covered in vinegar/mustard and the like, and have to be eaten with fork and knife (also have to ask for those too), sandwich simply doesn’t stay shut. So it’s messy. Cheap bastards.

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