Let’s put it out there upfront, the Dodgers shouldn’t re-sign Hanley Ramirez.  Only Earvin Johnson III’s stylist knows exactly what Magic is thinking when it comes to throwing money at a problem.  (By the by, am I the only one that thinks Magic’s son may have been a hospital mix-up and is really Charles Barkley’s kid?  Could he be The Round Mound Sausage Hound?  Earvin Johnson III goes by E.J., and Barkley works on TNT with Ernie Johnson, who goes by E.J.  Hmm…)  Maybe the Dodgers do re-sign Hanley and then Alex Guerrero becomes a platoon player-slash-fills in for Hanley when he invariably hits the DL and/or doesn’t feel like playing for a month.  His last year in Triple-A proved Guerrero can at least compete in the majors.  His stats were 15 homers, 4 steals and a .329 average in 65 games.  Of course, that was in the PCL, so translating those stats to Earth stats and you have about 7 homers, 2 steals and a .270 average.  Not mind-blowing, but remember that’s in only 65 games, so it’s not as awful as it sounds either.  A film starring Alex Guerrero called, “Alex Guerrero, He’s Not Awful.”  Aw, c’mon, baseball players are like us, they have feelings too, and that’s not nice.  He floated a far way on a raft while eating nothing but Cuban sandwiches, let’s give him the benefit of the doubt.  Hint to Fidel:  maybe you allow the citizens of your country everything, except rafts.  I don’t know, I’m merely a genius on paper.  Anyway, what can we expect of Alex Guerrero for 2015 fantasy baseball?

When Guerrero signed with the Dodgers, Scott Boras said he had the power of Dan Uggla.  Carson Kressley couldn’t even say that with a straight face.  He has between 12-17 homer power.  I’d say 12 since he’ll be a rookie, but a series or two in Coors gives a guy at least 5 homers….Then Petco subtracts 3 homers.  Okay, I’ll be modest and say he gets 15 homers, but he does have upside from that.  He has the inability to take a pitch.  I’m guessing that’s a born-on trait of most Latin hitters that do the bulk of their training outside of the states.  As Ozzie Guillen might’ve said, “You hit your way off an island; you don’t walk your way off an island unless you’re Jesus.”  Due to the lack of plate discipline, I’m worried he’ll struggle to hit .240.  Average is hard to predict for a rookie, due to small sample sizes — That’s what she said!  Huh? — and due to the sheer nature of average that has luck so heavily tied to it.  I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt again and say he gets to .250.  Hmm, maybe Boras meant a 2014-version of Uggla and wasn’t lying.  Like a bus carrying Gwen Stefani and her band, that’s doubtful.  The speed is very Yunel-like.  (In fact, this whole guy’s profile is Yunel-like, yet we trudge on!)  He’s not going to steal 15 bags; he may not steal 10.  He’ll probably sit between 6-10.  Again, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say 8 bags.  So, maybe that movie is really, “Alexander and the Terrible Power, Horrible Speed, No Good Average, But Not Awful Day?”  I’ll give him the projections of 57/15/64/.250/8.  That puts him in solid NL-Only territory, but a guy that will most likely be overrated for mixed leagues if he gets the job early in spring training.  At some point in the near future, Alex Guerrero will likely say, “I’m in Corey Seager’s car — BROOM BROOM.”  And Corey Seager will say, “Get out me car.” But I bet that doesn’t happen until 2016 (unless Guerrero really bumblefudges his opportunity this spring, and even then Erisbel Arruebarrena — say that name fast 117 times! — could sneak in.)

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Ambreen
Ambreen
7 years ago

Grey, I appreciate the feedback.

Dynasty roto league. RIos a good get for my Anibal?

Gracias!

Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
7 years ago

Hanley to Boston….Wow! I’m guessing there’s a trade or two in the works to acquire pitching. I could see Cespedes to Seattle for Iwakuma or a youth package to Philly for Hamels. Perhaps the Reds acquire some offense for one of their arms too. Lineup prediction for the BoSox?

ArsAryc
ArsAryc
Reply to  Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
7 years ago

@Ron The Vegas Trip Winner: Hanley will play third unless they also get Panda. If they get Panda too I could see Cespedes moved for arms

Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Reply to  ArsAryc
7 years ago

@ArsAryc: Papi is their only lefty bat. They may need to rectify that too.

Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Reply to  ArsAryc
7 years ago

@ArsAryc: Also, I think it would be a bad move to sign Sandoval now. Hanley is a horrible SS.

ArsAryc
ArsAryc
Reply to  Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
7 years ago

@Ron The Vegas Trip Winner: if they sign panda, Hanley goes to left field, thus making the trade of cespedes infinitely more likely

Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Reply to  ArsAryc
7 years ago

@ArsAryc: I see what you mean now. They are going to need to trade for or sign starting pitching though so I’m betting they are out of the market for Sandoval.

Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Reply to  ArsAryc
7 years ago

@ArsAryc: I could see Victorino to the Reds for Leake with Boston eating some cash on the deal.

ArsAryc
ArsAryc
Reply to  Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
7 years ago

@Ron The Vegas Trip Winner:

I seriously hope not, I am from Cincinnati and if we start selling we need to get young cost controlled talent, not stop gaps.

ArsAryc
ArsAryc
Reply to  ArsAryc
7 years ago

@ArsAryc: Oh and I am all for the reds having a fire sale

ArsAryc
ArsAryc
7 years ago

I understand that Cold is not in your wheelhouse for music, but comparing them to creed made a small portion of my insides die.

It is akin to saying a very good hip hop artist sounds like ICP…

Militant Vegans
Militant Vegans
7 years ago

Thanks to Grey, JFOH & Nick for yesterday’s knowledge. Unfortunately, I had a social engagement I had to attend and I wasn’t able to relay my thanks before leaving. Once I’m not so busy with work, I intend to use it and broaden my musical horizons. Thanks again.

nick the dick
nick the dick
Reply to  Militant Vegans
7 years ago

@Militant Vegans: No sweat buddy

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Militant Vegans
7 years ago
Alan
Alan
7 years ago

Hey Grey, thanks in advance.

Which closer should I offer for Aoki?

Reed Benoit Perkins or Mcgee. Long term 5×5 roto keep all the roster league.

Thanks!

MB
MB
7 years ago

You trading Buxton for Bryant if your team is competing n ow in dynasty?

Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey
Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey
Reply to  MB
7 years ago

@MB: tell me if i’m wrong but isn’t bryant ahead of buxton these days for any type of reason?

Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey
Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey
Reply to  Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey
7 years ago

@Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey: except of course for steals and owning Twin’s prospects.

Wake Up
7 years ago

Today is a gift
That’s why they call it the present
That’s also why they say present arms
Cuz they’re full of tiny little gifts…

Wake Up
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: I just wrote it right now butthole. Butt, yeah, this is a journey. And you are your own Kumare. Butt, it is Hard to Earn. And, as your own Guru. You are a shining Starr. The premier Starr in the constellation of Guru. Hey, magine if you told Santa to present arms?

Wake Up
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: You’re prolly thinking of the musical that we went to see on Broadway about Pearl Harbor…

Wake Up
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Hahaha!

Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
7 years ago

When should RCastillo be targeted in standard 5×5 drafts?

Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Take him before or after Pollock?

Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: I went with Rusney at 122 overall. Thanks for the advice.

ArsAryc
ArsAryc
7 years ago

A new music based list:

The horribly coined Nu-Metal

Deftones – White Pony
Nothingface – Violence
Mudvayne – The End of All Things to Come
Snot – Get Some
Cold – Cold
(Hed)PE – (Hed)PE
Flaw – Through the Eyes
Taproot – Blue-sky Research
Coal Chamber – Coal Chamber
Sevendust – Sevendust

These are the top 10 Albums from this genre in my humble opinion. I also limited bands to 1 album on the list so that anyone interested in listening to these had a wider variety

Since Nu-Metal was such a broad Genre and a lot of these bands also fit into other genres, please do not devolve into a discussion about how one of these bands might fit better into a different category, it has been done plenty on the internet already

ArsAryc
ArsAryc
Reply to  ArsAryc
7 years ago

@ArsAryc:

I purposefully left Korn off the list as they get way more credit than they deserve already. I guess I can honorable mention them since their first two albums were actually very very good:

Korn – Life is Peachy

ArsAryc
ArsAryc
Reply to  ArsAryc
7 years ago

@ArsAryc:

Other Honorable mentions:

Tool – Ænima
Marilyn Manson – Mechanical Animals
Machinehead – the Burning Red

Wake Up
Reply to  ArsAryc
7 years ago

@ArsAryc: The Tool album is the stand out in that bunch for me. My favorite song by them is prolly 46 & 2. Opiate is very solid as well.

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: this stuff is more Sky’s department. never took a liking for this genre…now where is he with a snappy gif right about now?

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: It’ actually more of bro tunes. Some very good musicians playing very similar sounding music with very very similar sounding singing styles. It’s yawnstipating

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: sadly I do BTW I saw your husky doppleganger today. He was you with about 50 extra pounds and a wife that had a good three inches on him.

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: They were going the other way and I had my hands full.

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: it would of been awkward, hey can you hold my groceries while I take a picture of you?

nick the dick
nick the dick
7 years ago

G, i saw above you said you arent the biggest Beastie fan but have you heard Paul’s Boutique? It’s a masterpiece of sampling and a severely underrated hip hop album.

nick the dick
nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Yup makes sense, it is a bit much to take in all at once. I love it though for its originality, great sample work and always love the overlapping style of rhyme they have, gotta be a challenge crafting veses with 3 voices all intertwined like that. Beastie isnt for everyone but I think it’s easily their best work.

nick the dick
nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Ah yeah i’m just more partial to the earlier stuff but I feel ya, it’s all good to me.

nick the dick
nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: I actually saw a guy who did the whole album with random but relevant clips and did this song a little better

Mostsuckass
Mostsuckass
7 years ago

Great writeup, as always, Grey! Which risky player do you like better in a keeper league, Prince Fielder or Alex Rios?

Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
7 years ago

How early is too early for Wong? Man, that’s a loaded question.

Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Thanks for the quick reply. He’s on my radar in a slow draft I’m doing right now and considering taking him 89th overall. I wish I knew he would have a top of the order spot lined up. I’m thinking the Cards go something like this:

Carpenter
Heyward
Holliday
Adams
Molina
Peralta
Wong
Jay

Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: I like the look of that. Maybe I’ll roll the dice.

Matt
Matt
Reply to  Ron The Vegas Trip Winner
7 years ago

@Ron The Vegas Trip Winner: I’ve heard some rumors that the Cards are contemplating dropping Carpenter down in the lineup

Mick Wayne
Reply to  Matt
7 years ago

@Matt: Wong over Pedroia?

Montezuma's Revenge... right now
Montezuma's Revenge... right now
Reply to  Matt
7 years ago

@Matt: they don’t mean much down when they say that.

Mick Wayne
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Wong over Pedroia?

goodfold2
goodfold2
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: yeah, with wong being sure he’s got a job he should finally show that he had great on base skills in minors.

Militant Vegans
Militant Vegans
7 years ago

had an interesting discussion re: music last night. people were discussing what year(s) were best for music. the discussion was rock-centric but my perspective was different from most people in that I believe there were “local scenes” that influenced music, not the years in that it was produced.

for instance, 1967 wasn’t necessarily a great creative year for music. Instead what you had was a scene in london (beatles, stones, jimi hendrix, clapton). Because you had all these bands making music in the same place, produced by the same producers, everyone being influenced by the same sound, you created the 1967 sound.

the same could be said of metal and manchester, the strip and hair metal, seattle and grunge, late 70’s and the NY/CBGB bands, detroit in the late ’60’s with Iggy, MC5.

since my knowledge of hip hop is limited and other than the whole eastside/westside thing, were there geographical pockets and scenes that produced hip hop music that became the staple sound of the industry as a whole?

Militant Vegans
Militant Vegans
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Thanks, Grey. I was just wondering because there seemed to be this whole renaissance of (for lack of a better term) R&B/HipHop/Dance/Urban music in the late ’80s and early ’90s. Just amazing!

Throw in Yo! MTV Raps and you had a great era of music.

Militant Vegans
Militant Vegans
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: definitely for hip hop. ok… stupid question #2, where do groups like the Sugar Hill Gang, Grand Master Flash & the Furious Five, Afrika Bambaataa fit into all of this? And I know they were some of the most prominent acts of the early sound, but who were their influences?

As for myself, I discovered Afrika Bambaataa after listening to Rage’s rendition of “Renegades of Funk”.

Militant Vegans
Militant Vegans
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: cool. you know, I think I’ll do some research on my own and maybe jump into a conversation when I’m a little bit more versed on the subject.

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Militant Vegans
7 years ago

@Militant Vegans: Miguel Pinero’s poetry was an early influence of hip hop

nick the dick
nick the dick
Reply to  Militant Vegans
7 years ago

@Militant Vegans: Grey is pretty spot on with his analysis, the guys he named were some of the biggest influences to hip hop. The 3 most influential would probably be Gil Scott Heron, Isaac Hayes (who actually had tracks of his rhyming called ‘Ikes raps in the early 70’s) and James Brown but he’s definitely right about comedians being a part of it too, Pryor, Redd Foxx, Rudy Ray Moore, Flip Wilson. Their narratives and techniques used to tell stories about social conditions paved the way for the style emcees crafted lyrics. Even people like Mohammed Ali had impact on the style of rhyming words and strong vocals. Funk, soul and jazz are the foundation of the creation of hip hop. Earth Wind and Fire, George Clinton, Donnie Hathaway, Isaac Hayes and in Bambaataa’s case the group Kraftwerk were the basis for the jazzy rhytmic sound. The rapping started from DJ’s, Kool Herc being the first widely known, talking over the records they played which were alot of James Brown type records. In alot of ways, I think the people you mentioned were the inspiration for themselves to be able to tell stories of hardships, racism, rebellion in a way that the everyday young black male in NYC could relate to. Grey was correct that each step of the way came from somewhere else and traces back throughout the century. The only thing i’d say is that it being brought into the mainstream conciousness was in its own way a renassaince. The golden era from the early 80’s to the early 90’s is equivalent in many peoples eyes as growing up in the great jazz era. That decade was as unique as any era was. Everything in that 10 year span was jazz riffs and loops, samples from funk and soul, scratching, dancing, battling, house parties, everything that hip hop should be. True art, as true as any other.

nick the dick
nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Thanks!

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: damn neither of you mention Herbie Hancock. from his massive contributions to the evolution of funk to the importance of Rockit.

nick the dick
nick the dick
Reply to  J-FOH
7 years ago

@J-FOH: Very true, he was a big part to many genres for decades. Rockit is the epitome of influening hip hop’s evolution. Anyone who’s seen Scratch knows how important it was in bringing turntable shit to light.

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick: it’s also my ringtone

nick the dick
nick the dick
Reply to  J-FOH
7 years ago

@J-FOH: Ha not too shabby

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Militant Vegans
7 years ago

@Militant Vegans: When referencing Clapton in 1967 would you please refer to the group….Sorry, a little pet peeve here.

Now that I got the ball busting out of the way. Sometimes it can be hard to pin point things unless you jump really deep into not only the place but also what was going on at that time. There are a lot of environmental elements that can contribute to something we may never think of. For instance understanding the evolution of different punk scenes that evolved into hardcore scenes can be traced right down socio economic conditions as well as proximity to live entertainment.

That whole NYC thing of course is an easy one to follow because it’s NYC and thats what people are fascinated by. Reed/Velvet/ Dolls, to keep it simple, then everything just poured out from there not just musically but artists taking chances with their sound. The hard part in tracing things in NYC is so many people came from other places.

The best is how much music changed by the accessibility to instruments and the creation of pop music led to people trying to imitate what they heard and now saw but because they couldn’t play very well created new forms of music. In a nutshell the creation of 60’s garage/psychadelic bands led to what influenced the earliest punk rock which helped evolve hardcore metal grunge and where we are now. If you go back and read up on some of the pioneers of the slow evolution of punk rock all reference the Seeds “Pushin to Hard” and Love’s “7 and 7 is” as key influences of what they wanted to do. Part of the appeal of Iggy is his on stage persona to go along with that crazy voice. Interesting side note, one of his biggest influences was Jim Morrison. He loved the stage presence and the leather pants. Thats why iggy was always performing in leather pants an no shirt. Speaking of Iggy again, you bring up Detroit and Iggy/ The Stooges, who even though they were from there, recorded and hung in LA quite a bit. Bowie being one of the obvious peeps. Listen to Funhouse, thats a crazy album.

I’m done rambling, i hope its coherent enough to get

Militant Vegans
Militant Vegans
Reply to  J-FOH
7 years ago

@J-FOH: lots of coherent thoughts there, JFOH. i apologize for the inadvertent faux pas re: Cream… between ginger baker, underrated jack bruce, and clapton you had lots of talent and one of my favorite bands. my point was more to the incestuous (and not in the bad way) nature of music scenes. nothing is separate in music. it all intertwines and that’s what so fascinating about it.

don’t forget the amp cutting of the kinks, the post punk bands like magazine, the down under bands like the saints and earlier artists like the easybeats, the detroit band Death, deafening sound of blue cheer, not to mention the southbay hardcore bands, the nocal/socal comparison… truly a rabbit hole to enjoy getting re-lost in.

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Militant Vegans
7 years ago

@Militant Vegans: no forgetting here, just only so much I can throw in. The southbay which then floated south to the OC where you had a hardcore scene evolve while at the same time a “lighter poppier” punk evolved at the same time. The Bay is interesting, like hip hop, they are either really good acts or not even worth mentioning. DK was always way above everyone else. Boston, DC, Canada, and Texas all produced some really cool stuff. Then comes the european psychobilly which is nothing like american

Militant Vegans
Militant Vegans
Reply to  J-FOH
7 years ago

@J-FOH: if you haven’t already done so, check out ‘Roots of the Cramps’. also, two of my favorite comps were ‘Beach Blvd.’ and ‘The Best of Rodney on the ROQ’. Early stuff but it doesn’t get old.

i agree with what you said in a post re: punk music albums vs. songs.

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Militant Vegans
7 years ago

@Militant Vegans: I just looked up beach blvd and is that only 3 bands.

I liked stage diving to the oldies, my favorite is the BYO comp Someone’s Gonna Get Their Head to Believe In Something, and the future looks brighter which was a Posh Boy/ SST labels comp. There are few versions of it. Best of Flipside vinyl isn’t bad either if you can locate it. The sound track to decline is amazing as well.

For instance on iTunes you can get the entire channell 3 catalog for like 5 bucks.

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Militant Vegans
7 years ago

@Militant Vegans: I have a couple of the rodney cassettes

Montezuma's Revenge... right now
Montezuma's Revenge... right now
Reply to  J-FOH
7 years ago

@J-FOH: starting with just before funhouse is (i think) when stooges went to LA. also psychotic reaction by the count five, all that Nuggets stuff that Lester Bangs wrote about.

LT Murray IV
7 years ago

I worship Grey

ArsAryc
ArsAryc
7 years ago

The Beastie Boys – Paul’s Boutique got an honorable mention early in the thread, and it is easily my favorite hip hop album. I think a lot of people fail to mention or remember just how awesome a lot of the less known beastie albums were. People who know nothing about hip hop can quote songs from licensed to ill, ill communication, and the couple albums after, and while i do love ill communication, it pales in comparison to how awesome Paul’s Boutique is.

nick the dick
nick the dick
Reply to  ArsAryc
7 years ago

@ArsAryc: Precisely

ArsAryc
ArsAryc
Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick:

Nick,

I do question your using Aquemini instead of ATLiens for Outkast. Aquemini definitely had more “singles” on it, but I feel that ATLiens was better as an album on the whole.

Militant Vegans
Militant Vegans
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: another demension… another demension… another demension…

Militant Vegans
Militant Vegans
Reply to  Militant Vegans
7 years ago

@Militant Vegans: dimension works too***ugghh*** memo to self… give brain ample time to detox before typing words

J-FOH
J-FOH
7 years ago

I agree with you, albums are a reflection of time and place. Hearing the first RUN DMC album or Beastie Boys changed my life. Snoop, Dre, Emiem, all of their albums were so much better than anything else at the time. It took me sitting in my flat in London completly bombed out of my head on hash to return to hip hop after taking years off. My room mate played bizarre ride by the Pharcyde and I was blown away. Changed everything for me and got me back to listening to hip hop. For that reason that album means more to me than any other.

Big Magoo
Reply to  J-FOH
7 years ago

@J-FOH: Yeah, it’s all about making a connection to the music. I felt that way when I heard Guns N Roses’ Appetite and then Megadeth’s Rust in Peace. I was digging hip hop at the time too, but my tastes were starting to shift because of those records. Appetite planted the seed, and then Rust and AIC’s Facelift took it from there.

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Big Magoo
7 years ago

@Big Magoo: being a little older it was Van Halen 1, Motley Crues Shout at the Devil, Ozzy’s Blizzard of Ozz, and Iron Maidens The Number of the Beast/Piece of Mind. Those albums cemented me to the heavier stuff, then a few years later I heard Master of Puppets and it was over….all over again.

Funny that Punk Rock was like Hip Hop for me, it wasn’t an album but certain songs that sucked me in.

Big Magoo
Reply to  J-FOH
7 years ago

@J-FOH: Those are all great albums that you mentioned. I’m more of a Hagar than a Roth guy, but both of them were awesome. Maiden was one of my favorites as well. Dickinson’s a beast, and their guitar work has always been bad ass.

I’ve always been into the heavier stuff, which is probably why I gravitated towards AIC. Very heavy, sludgy riffs and Layne’s vocals just put them over the top for me.

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Big Magoo
7 years ago

@Big Magoo: you’re a van haggar guy over roth. I need to step away and question our entire relationship. Roth is one of the all time best frontmen of rock.

Big Magoo
Reply to  J-FOH
7 years ago

@J-FOH: Roth is great. No question about it. Tons of charisma. Hagar is more of the meat and potatoes musician though, which I dig. Roth is the flashy showman. The sizzle to Hagar’s steak. Depends what you prefer. Or maybe I’m just hungry.

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Big Magoo
7 years ago

@Big Magoo: another game changer album was cowboys from hell

Big Magoo
7 years ago

I’m not much of a hip hop guy anymore, but Dre and Snoop, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Wu Tang, Public Enemy, and the NWA stuff were always staples for me back in the day. I like Ice Cube too, Grey. You’re not alone.

No Naughty By Nature mentions? Are they like the Nickelback of the ’90s hip hop scene or something?

Big Magoo
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: They’d be below some of those others for me, but I dug some of their stuff.

Maybe I’ll come out with a top 20 rock/metal list. That’s more up my alley. Offseason music talk with FML Grey Albright. There’s a podcast idea for you…

Big Magoo
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: It’s all good. I’d love to talk music with Rudy but he seems to have his hands full these days.

You and Nick and JFOH can school me on the current hip hop scene, and I’ll fill you in on the metal/Seattle scene from the late ’80s until the turn of the century. Deal?

Rudy Gamble
Reply to  Big Magoo
7 years ago

@Big Magoo: I stopped listening to metal after high school (and, even then, it was hair metal) but listened to a buttload of classic rock, alternative, and rock snob stuff after that. Not a Seattle rock scene fan though. Found it depressing and unrelatable. Preferred 80’s alternative rock like Replacements, Husker Du, and Pixies.

nick the dick
nick the dick
Reply to  Big Magoo
7 years ago

@Big Magoo: wow holy misstep, Naughty absoletely needs to be mentioned.

Big Magoo
Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick: I thought I was losing touch for a second. From the ’90s scene, that is. I have no clue what that scene’s like now.

nick the dick
nick the dick
Reply to  Big Magoo
7 years ago

@Big Magoo: I think I lost touch. You, sir, are spot on. Treach is one of the greatest.

Big Magoo
Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick: Nah, you seem to know your shizz. I drifted away from hip hop when it started going downhill around the late ’90s, at least to me. Sure, you still had your Eminems, Outkasts, and a few others after that, but I think I was spoiled by that early-mid ’90s time period. So much great stuff back then.

nick the dick
nick the dick
Reply to  Big Magoo
7 years ago

@Big Magoo: Very true, it’ll never be the same.

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Big Magoo
7 years ago

@Big Magoo: thats when I went to the underground and never looked at the genre the same.

nick the dick
nick the dick
7 years ago

One thing i’ll admit amidst all the debate- Like Water For Chocolate might be better than Resurrection…sorry to turn this into all hip hop comments G

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Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Eh, we will call it a tie. I’ll switch it if that gets a good response from you

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Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: couple more honorable mentions are obviously Legends Never Die and also Kurupt’s ‘Kuruption’ double disc album

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: yeah that was basically the reason but you know as well as I do it’s up there….Like Water For Chocolate it is

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Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: other than Diamond D which crossed my mind, stunts blunts and hip hop is awesome, you lost me…cube is not a great lyricist, his flow is choppy and weird which is the same as EPMD. Great tracks, great albums sure, but their lyrical ability certainly isnt what makes them. They are subpar and i can think of so many emcees that are better lyrically, Common for one. Snoop is a better lyricis? No he isnt. Style is one thing, lyrical content and flow is another. Kanye? Really? *sigh*….you named one better lyricist than Common and thats Andre 3000 and even thats close.

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Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: dont get me wrong about Cube, I dont hate him. I understand people like the way he expresses his feelings straight forward good, bad or otherwise. I respect the man and his work. As a technical rapper or lyricist however he is way below average. Like Eazy E, subpar flow and lyrics but makes up for it with style and rawness along with sick beats. Lyrics, wordplay, metaphors, thats what appeals to me more in a rapper. Also he got much much worse with time instead of better. I bought ‘Laugh Now Cry Later’ and it was absolutely awful. I like him, dont love him at all. Just one mans humble opinion.

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: awesome call on Diamond D though, i almost put it in the mentions.

nick the dick
nick the dick
7 years ago

Where the eff is JFOH??!!

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: thanks buddy for covering for me

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J-FOH
Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick: BE is my favorite commom album. I agree with Grey when it comes to cube. I would of put all eyez on me in there for sure, but this is your list not ours. … Mine would be 50% underground.

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nick the dick
Reply to  J-FOH
7 years ago

@J-FOH: I can dig Be being your fav, just a matter of taste as all his albums are really good (minus his newest one which is dog shit). Sorry I dont agree about Cube, something about him just doesnt agree with me for a top 20 list. I do recognize that he has good albums however. All eyez on me can definitely be on a list, im fine with that. Logic’s album just missed my top 1000.

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Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick: how old are you?

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Reply to  J-FOH
7 years ago

@J-FOH: younger than you think i’d imagine

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J-FOH
Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick: seriously, it gives me context

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nick the dick
Reply to  J-FOH
7 years ago

@J-FOH: I’m 29

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J-FOH
Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick: yeah I got ten years on you, our point of view is very different

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Reply to  J-FOH
7 years ago

@J-FOH: thoughts on my list overall?

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J-FOH
Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick: pretty solid, some of the artists I like tracks but not whole albums from. I explain to magoo below, hip hop drew me back in by tracks, not albums. It’s always been hard for me to find a complete work that is great. Good, but never great. I prefer the slim shady EP over the Marshall Mathers album,

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Reply to  J-FOH
7 years ago

@J-FOH: Yeah you’ve told me that before, I understand it. Although I would argue that the vast majority of the albums I listed you could listen straight through and enjoy it all as a whole. Truly great? I dont know, but as close as you can get from hip hop albums I think….I can see liking the Slim album over Marshall but the one I chose feels better put together but theyre both great.

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Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick: I will never grow tired of select tracks off slim, like I don’t give a f**k and I still don’t give a f**K

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nick the dick
7 years ago

Nick’s Top 20 Hip Hop Albums:

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Rakim- The 18th letter
Slick Rick-The art of storytelling
Common-Resurrection
Dr Dre-The chronic
Eminem-Marshall mathers lp
De La Soul-3 feet high and rising
Kool G Rap-Roots of evil
A Tribe Called Quest-The low end theory
Bggie-Ready to die
Wu Tang-36 chambers
DMX-It’s dark and hell is hot
Mos Def-Black on both sides
Big L-Lifestyles of tha poor and dangerous
Pharcyde-Bizzarre ride II the pharcyde
Big Daddy Kane-Long live the kane
The Roots-Things fall apart
Big Pun-Capital punishment
Talib Kweli-Quality
Gangstarr-Daily operation

Honorable Mentions:

Nas-It was written
Busta Rhymes-Extinction level event
Outkast-Aquemini
UGK-Ridin’ dirty
Ghostface Killah-Supreme Clientele
Method Man-Judgement day
Black Moon-Enta da stage
Redman-Muddy waters
Beastie Boys-Paul’s boutique
EPMD-Strictly business

*Note: all selections are subject to change

Wallpaper Paterson
Wallpaper Paterson
Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick:

I will present my list later. It will be favorites as opposed to best. There are some albums that I can admit are higher quality than some of my favorites.

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nick the dick
Reply to  Wallpaper Paterson
7 years ago

@Wallpaper Paterson: Cool, this is definitely my favorites not neccessarily best

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Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: wow thats the one that stands out? Common deserves to be on a top list as he is as consistent as anyone in hip hop and has as good a catalog as anyone. Resurresction is just my personal favorite, its a fantastic album. It was close with ‘Like water for chocolate’ and ‘Be’ though. These also are not in any order and I only did one album per artist to be fair.

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: I disagree, Resurrection is slightly better than Like Water. He deserves to be in MY top 20.

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Now that I look at it, I suppose that is the one that doesnt quite fit but thats why its all subjective.

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Yes I know you like Straight Outta Compton better but I dont. And I also know you are a big Cube fan whereas I am not. I like his old stuff but not enough for a top list.

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Cubes lyrics are consistently subpar and I like Common better anyday. Save it for your list FML!! Any way to coax a positive response out of you?

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: I could probably replace Pharcyde as well with one of the honorable mentions but its very good. Ask the doctor to give you a pshych test for this Ice Cube Syndrome while youre there…

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: yes he did. Great tracks. Dont know why but hes not my favorite. And he was not the best lyricist in NWA at least to me. I like them all better, MC Ren first.

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: yeah ive heard that about Cube too, maybe im way off….

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: It’s okay, you can admit its a solid list for something only based on opinion.

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: My wife and I used Common’s ‘The Light’ as the song she walked down the aisle to at our weddding

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: HA you sly devil

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Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick: also note these are in no particular order and i only used one album per artist/group

Mike
Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

I’m in no way pretending to know as much about hip hop as you guys, but I follow along in comments and just gotta say I wore out Stakes is High. Still play that album today.

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Reply to  Mike
7 years ago

@Mike: Man Mike, I almost went with Stakes Is High over 3 Feet High but I thought it would be frowned upon. Such a fantastic album.

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: So so good.

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Awesome!!

Mike
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

nice

Wallpaper Paterson
Wallpaper Paterson
Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick:
My list (in alphabetical order by artist)

Black Moon “Enta Da Stage”
Brotha Lynch Hung “Season of da Siccness”
Dr. Dre “The Chronic”
Eminem “The Marshall Mathers LP”
Genius/GZA “Liquid Swords”
Goodie Mob “Soul Food”
Gravediggaz “6 Feet Deep”
Jay-Z “Reasonable Doubt”
Kendrick Lamar “good kid, m.A.A.d. city”
Makaveli “The 7 Day Theory”
Mobb Deep “The Infamous”
Nas “Illmatic”
The Notorious B.I.G. “Ready to Die”
OutKast “Aquemini”
Raekwon “Only Built 4 Cuban Linx…”
Scarface “The Diary”
Slick Rick “The Great Adventures of Slick Rick”
Smif-N-Wessun “Dah Shinin'”
2Pac “All Eyez On Me”
Wu-Tang Clan “Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)”

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Reply to  Wallpaper Paterson
7 years ago

@Wallpaper Paterson: Nice list man! A few I considered for my list like Cuban Linx, Liquid Swords, All Eyez On Me The Infamous and The Diary. I left off Resonable Doubt cuz I didnt want to get into it with Grey and JFoh. Also I think It Was Written is better than Illmatic regardless of it being a classic and all. Solid, solid list though.

Wallpaper Paterson
Wallpaper Paterson
Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick: Thanks.

It is tough making a list. I had two GFK albums right there, couldn’t decide between Ironman and Supreme Clientele. In the end, neither made my top 20.

I like Paid in Full and Follow the Leader but all Rakim really does is rap about how he has better rap skills than everybody else.

I considered Fear of a Black Planet, ATLiens, Doggystyle, The College Dropout, Hell on Earth, Murda Muzik, E. 1999 Eternal, Internal Affairs, and Firing Squad.

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Reply to  Wallpaper Paterson
7 years ago

@Wallpaper Paterson: yup both GFK albums deserved consideration. All those others are great too, nice honorable mentions. I loove Hell on Earth, 1999 eternal, Murda Musik, Black Planet (as well as It Takes a Nation of Millions), ATLiens and Doggystyle…as far as Rakim I just had to choose one, theyre all good. Hes the best of all time and my favorite rapper ever. 18th Letter is the best overall even though the others are classics.

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Reply to  Wallpaper Paterson
7 years ago

@Wallpaper Paterson: worst part of your list: Kendrick Lamar. Best part: no Ice Cube

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Reply to  nick the dick
7 years ago

@nick the dick: I like the Westside Connection album. I liked Predator too.

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Reply to  Wallpaper Paterson
7 years ago

@Wallpaper Paterson: Im just razzin Grey with the Cube shot

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Yeah I almost put Scarface in, great album. He has quite a few good ones.

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nick the dick
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: yup exactly. The Fix, Last of a Dying Breed, Mr. Scarface and The World Is Yours are also great

Wallpaper Paterson
Wallpaper Paterson
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: Yeah, the Makaveli album was kind of scattershot. I enjoy it though and is probably one of my top 10 most listened to albums.

Some Guy
Some Guy
7 years ago

Are you suggesting Guerrero can play SS?!? Because that would be way, way off. This guy cannot play SS in the majors. No chance. He can’t even play 2B or 3B. I think your projection is low if he gets 550 PA. The question with this guy is playing time.

Where can he play? All we know for sure is he can play a really bad 2B in AAA. LA already has a bad fielding 2B who provides offense in Dee. Neither Dee or Alex can play SS in the majors. Dee failed miserably there and Alex would be much worse. Unfortunately, all signs indicate Guerrero should be a LF, but Los Angeles happens to have the most crowded OF in baseball. Interestingly, due to Guerrero’s contract clauses they cannot send him to AAA in 2015. He has to be in the majors. And they probably cannot trade him because he has an opt-out-if-traded clause that makes it very difficult to deal him. I love this guy’s bat, but because of the glove and contract he’s most likely going to be LA’s 5th OF / pitch hitter.

Wallpaper Paterson
Wallpaper Paterson
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: It’s pronounced Gore Don.

Some Guy
Some Guy
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: That’d be nice if Dee Gordon could play SS (already tried and failed miserably) and if Alex could play 2B. But he cannot. Just because Boras sold him as a 2B coming out of Cuba doesn’t make it so. He was really awful at 2B in AAA, very stiff by all accounts. He cannot make the turn for DPs to save his life. He’s simply not an MLB infielder. That is not one man’s opinion, its the industry consensus at this point.

Guerrero was played all over the diamond in AAA after he returned from the ear incident to prepare him for a utility role. His only playing time after being called up to the majors in September came in LF. Sorry, but it doesn’t sound like you did your homework on this guy at all.

Sean
Sean
Reply to  Some Guy
7 years ago

@Some Guy: I think Guerrero could play a BAD 2B at the major-league level, but I agree the Dodgers would be foolish to run out a bad option at 2B and a bad option at SS (which Dee would be). That said, Arruebarruena can’t hit, so I would see them picking up a SS in the free agent market and leaving Gordon at 2B.

Militant Vegans
Militant Vegans
7 years ago

Not quite the earful I was expecting but clEARly an EARly assessment of note.

Militant Vegans
Militant Vegans
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: HA! yuck… yuck… yuck…

J-FOH
J-FOH
7 years ago

And no mention of one eared Alex? I hear he already has a role in the Dodgers charity play “the Goonies”.

J-FOH
J-FOH
Reply to  Grey
7 years ago

@Grey: if this was on paper I’d ear mark this one