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We already went over what it took to win your fantasy baseball league for 12 teams.  Don’t believe me?  Click this.  Sucker!  You got Rick Schroder rolled!  Or not because you read this part before you clicked it.  I know, 2002 called, they want their internet meme back.  Okay, here’s what it takes to win your 12 team fantasy baseball league.  Now here we have what it takes to win a 10, 14 and 16 team league.  I’m not going to breakdown how much it takes to move up each point because with a little math you should be able to figure it out on your own.  Look at me having high hopes for you Razzballers.  This is for the roster of C/1B/2B/SS/3B/5 OF/MI/CI/UTIL/9 P.  Anyway, here’s what it takes to win a 10, 14 and 16 team fantasy baseball league:

10 TEAM — In a 10 team league, you should aim for around 80 points. That’s 3rd place, which is noted for each category below.

RUNS

Average — 1088
High — 1204
Low — 972
3rd Place — 1152

HOME RUNS

Average — 262
High — 309
Low — 215
3rd Place — 288

RUNS BATTED IN

Average — 1054
High — 1173
Low — 935
3rd Place — 1120

STEALS

Average — 166
High — 230
Low — 103
3rd Place — 202

AVERAGE

Average — .283
High — .295
Low — .270
3rd Place — .290

WINS

Average — 80
High — 97
Low — 63
3rd Place — 90

SAVES

Average — 75
High — 156
Low — 44
3rd Place — 131

ERA

Average — 3.83
High — 3.23
Low — 4.42
3rd Place — 3.47

WHIP

Average — 1.28
High — 1.21
Low — 1.34
3rd Place — 1.24

STRIKEOUTS

Average — 1099
High — 1285
Low — 913
3rd Place — 1202

14 TEAM — In a 14 team league, you’re in contention if you have around 110 points.  Or 4th place, which is noted in the categories below.

RUNS

Average — 1030
High — 1140
Low — 919
4th Place — 1089

HOME RUNS

Average — 242
High — 282
Low — 202
4th Place — 264

RUNS BATTED IN

Average — 990
High — 1102
Low — 878
4th Place — 1050

STEALS

Average — 143
High — 195
Low — 92
4th Place — 171

AVERAGE

Average — .279
High — .291
Low — .267
4th Place — .286

WINS

Average — 77
High — 93
Low — 61
4th Place — 86

SAVES

Average — 54
High — 117
Low — 33
4th Place — 98

ERA

Average — 3.95
High — 3.34
Low — 4.56
4th Place — 3.60

WHIP

Average — 1.30
High — 1.24
Low — 1.37
4th Place — 1.27

STRIKEOUTS

Average — 1024
High — 1197
Low — 851
4th Place — 1117

16 TEAM — In a 16 team league, you’re in contention if you have around 120 points.  Or 5th place, which is noted in the categories below.

RUNS

Average — 993
High — 1099
Low — 887
5th Place — 1042

HOME RUNS

Average — 230
High — 268
Low — 192
5th Place — 248

RUNS BATTED IN

Average — 954
High — 1062
Low — 846
5th Place — 1004

STEALS

Average — 135
High — 184
Low — 87
5th Place — 158

AVERAGE

Average — .279
High — .291
Low — .267
5th Place — .286

WINS

Average — 77
High — 93
Low — 61
5th Place — 86

SAVES

Average — 54
High — 117
Low — 33
5th Place — 98

ERA

Average — 3.95
High — 3.34
Low — 4.56
5th Place — 3.60

WHIP

Average — 1.31
High — 1.25
Low — 1.38
5th Place — 1.28

STRIKEOUTS

Average — 1013
High — 1184
Low — 842
5th Place — 1093

  1. Tony says:
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    thanks grey, with it being only my 2nd yr in a roto league, i appreciate this, gives me some idea of what to shoot for….

  2. fredaycouples says:
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    I know H2H is a different animal, but could I use any of these as a proxy for what to shoot for in a 12 team H2H leage with the yahoo standard of 3 OF’s?

    Perhaps I could take the 12 team and adjust down for the two less outfielders.

  3. shitbird says:
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    Is there a straight forward method of modifying this based on different league requirements – 2C or AL only for example?
    Is it based on past leauge averages or on projections?

    Thanks for not Dennis Franz rolling me.

  4. nmdunkel says:
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    Thanks Grey, this is more helpful than mock drafting.

  5. @shitbird: Hey shitbird (that’s fun to type) – I’ll be posting AL Point Shares over the weekend (my expert AL draft is tonight) for 8/10/12 teams. For AL/NL-only, I default to 2 catcher leagues. So 2C AL for 8/10/12 teams is conceivable.

    If you can provide the particulars of a specific league, we can post it in the forums.

  6. Chicken Dinner says:
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    Call me crazy, but I’m beginning to think Andruw Jones is a sleeper. It may seem like he’s 40 but he’s only 33. Guy comes off roids, is about to get run out of the league after his 08 and then… He’s able to make some adjustments at the plate, begins to show some power again, signs that he could hit .250 if things go right and, most importantly, realizes that now that he’s off roids he WAS a 20 SB guy before he realized he could hit a cheater’s 50 HR.

    Look, I’m not spending much but I’ve got $5 at draft to find out if this guy can go 20-10. Better draft some Ichiro to go with that BA.

  7. @fredaycouples: 10 team would be the closest but even then it won’t quite work. Y! has 36 OF and 12 1B while standard 10 team has 50 OF and at least 15 1B (factoring in CI and not even considering UTIL).

    damn you yahoo and your alternate default format….

  8. shitbird says:
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    @Rudy: You are the man. My Draft is March 28th so I am looking very forward to this weekends release. That sounded waaaay dirtier than I intended.

    On a Ricky Schroder note, I think a Silver Spooner award should be granted to the best worst hitter for Razzball leagues. Inspired by the Silver Slugger but it appears as if the batter is swinging with a spoon. This is not to be confused with the award for cuddling with Blanche Devereaux.

  9. Tony says:
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    @Chicken Dinner: i think there’s better “sleepers” with MUCH better upside than a washed up AndrewWHO Jones…..

  10. @Chicken Dinner: in an al-only league, he’s worth a gamble. i think andruw jones’ upside is Sosa’s 2007 season with Texas – .252/53/21/90/1. No way Andruw Jones starts running again – his speed is gone. Even Guillen isn’t crazy enough to try it.

  11. @shitbird: Great idea. Not sure we’ll call it Silver Spooner but we will have Bizarro MVP, Hank Aaron, and Cy Young awards! There’s already Razzie awards (http://www.razzies.com/) so we’ll have to think of something…

  12. J says:
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    @Rudy – I play in a 14 team league with all the same starting positions except 1 less OF. How much do you suppose I should deduct from each hitting category to make the hitting goals work for me?

  13. preptime says:
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    Unrelated to the article; I had a question.

    In a 12-team, 5-keeper mixed league with only 3 OF spots, how much should the normal OF be bumped down. My draft strategy will be to pick up priority positions as early as possible, e.g., the infield, while ignoring OF until the later rounds unless there is a great value pick available.

    My logic is that people will follow whichever rankings they are using which usually revolve around 5 OF leagues and quickly fill up their OF, while leaving me bargains in the later round. Sound strategy or no?

  14. Frank Rizzo says:
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    Thanks Rudy/Grey for the 10 teamers. I’ll probably have these numbers close during the draft……aiming for the high numbers in every category.

  15. @J: i’d keep AVG the same and knock off about 80 Runs, 15 HRs, 80 RBIs and 10 SBs.

  16. sean says:
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    @J: Uh, how about starting with the replacement level OF for your league. If your league has 14×4 plus a UTIL and Bench then you have to figure somewhere between 55-60 outfielders will be drafted. So, a 55-60th outfielder should provide replacement level stats. I’d deduct those from the totals of the counting stats and leave AVG alone.

  17. sean says:
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    @J: Uh, how about starting with the replacement level OF for your league. If your league has 14×4 plus a UTIL and Bench then you have to figure somewhere between 60-70 outfielders will be drafted. So, a 60-70th outfielder should provide replacement level stats. I’d deduct those from the totals of the counting stats and leave AVG alone.

  18. Jason says:
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    The Yahoo and ESPN draft applets don’t let you keep track of your players’ stats as you draft. Do you guys have anything to help out with watching your team’s projections?

    Also, when it comes to “winning strategy,” should drafters avoid picking players from the same team?

  19. sean says:
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    @sean: Apologize for the re-post, but the numbers were off on the first one. I was thinking

    14×4 = 56 OF
    7 UTIL
    7 BENCH = 70

    Perhaps less if you don’t have a bench or UTIL. But somewhere around 70 should be replacement-level…

  20. Mikey boy324 says:
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    Rudy in a 12 team roto league with 2 cacthers what round should I look to draft my first cacther?

  21. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    @preptime: One unsolicited thought: In defiance of Rudy’s BRAN strategy, last year I decided to sit on OFs (in a 12-team, 3-OF league) and fill out the IF early.

    I took Wright in the 1st, Fielder in the 2nd, Phillips in the 3rd and Alexei Ramirez in the 5th. Needless to say, all were busts except Fielder (and Phillips, kind of) — but the OF production I missed out on in Rounds 1-5 really hurt me all year. (My drafted OF was Dye, Bruce and Vernon Wells. BLEECCCH.)

    It always seems like there’s a few OF gems late in shallow leagues, but I was surprised how barren the mid-rounds were for guys w/out flaws. Granted, I could have drafted Ibanez instead of Dye and Nelson Cruz instead of Bruce. But this year I plan to gobble at least two OFs (along with cornermen and one SP) in the first 5 rounds, and worry about IFs later. I’m not paying a premium for Jeter, Rollins, Kinsler et al.

    My two cents.

  22. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    @Rudy Gamble: One problem with multi-hitters from same team: If they’re playing a team with a good rotation (say, SF) your offense can suck for days. Especially true in H2H.

  23. Eddy says:
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    @Baron Von Vulturewins:
    I know exactly what you mean. I had 3 yankee players last year and when Roy Halladay came to town one night, it was a very quite evening to say the least.

  24. preptime says:
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    @Baron Von Vulturewins:

    Good to hear that someone else tried what I was going to do before I actually did it, thanks.

    I guess I will take some time to reformulate my draft strategy.

  25. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    @preptime: My experience was part bad choices (A-Ram) part bad luck (Wright). But OFs fly off the board pretty fast.

  26. Nate Marcum says:
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    @Mikey boy324: I know Grey had suggested not taking a C until the 8th rd, and I have found that 10th is a good round to snag a Montero, Soto, etc.

  27. Mikey boy324 says:
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    Ya that’s what Im leaning towards I never played in a 2 catcher league before so I just don’t wanna get screwed bye waiting too long…

  28. magicterp says:
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    Felipe Lopez in NL only – does he earn an everyday job with the Cards? Could be great value if he wins the #2 spot in that lineup.

  29. Cheese

    Cheese says:
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    @Mikey boy324: I play in a 2 catcher, 16 team league and I don’t plan on taking a catcher until the last 2 rounds of the draft.

  30. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @magicterp: He’s going to lose time to Schumaker. Probably will still see 400 ABs all around the diamond though.

  31. preptime says:
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    @Baron Von Vulturewins:

    Last year I drafted Reyes, Hamilton, and Aramis Ramirez, so I feel your pain.

  32. Grey

    Grey says:
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    *****THERE’S A NEW POST FOR FOLLOWUPS FOR ME.******

  33. Atherton32 says:
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    @ Rudy. 1st thank you. this is awesome
    2nd – 14 team but only 3 OF, no CI, and no MI. Approximately how much should I take away? Thanks

  34. @Mikey boy324: In an mixed league, 12 team 2 catcher still means that everyone gets a starting catcher. The only guys I’d even consider before the 15th round or so are Mauer, McCann, V-Mart, and Kurt Suzuki.

    Let’s say we take them up 20 picks from their 12 team Point Shares given we’ll be digging deeper with 24 catchers. I have Mauer at #10 so he’s arguably a top 5 pick in that format. I’d have no issues taking him in the 2nd round. 3rd round even better. The 20 pick boost puts McCann in 4th round territory, V-Mart in 6th round territory, and Kurt Suzuki in 10 round territory. I’d only recommend taking a catcher early if they are at nice discounts so I’d consider them in the 6th, 8th, and 12th rounds respectively. Otherwise, I’d wait until late in the draft and take chances on guys like Jeff Clement.

  35. @preptime: A 3 OF league vs. 5 OF does knock OF value down ASSUMING you still have MI/CI. If you don’t have those, keep everything the same (and realize that hitting is deeper vs. a 5 OF/CI/MI league so pitchers will be a little more valuable)

    @Baron Von Vulturewins: On the flip side, we had Beltran in the late 1st round in two deep leagues (like 14-16 teams) and he killed us. Quentin got us in one too. But I chalk Beltran up to a fluke and we reached a bit on Quentin.

    @Atherton32: thx. 14 team league with 3 OF/1 CI/1 MI is closest to a 10 team league in terms of depth of players drafted. Here’s the easyish math – take the number of hitters in your league, divided it by 13 (C/1B/2B/SS/3B/5 OF/CI/MI/UTIL) and multiply against the 10 team numbers. Don’t worry about 8 pitchers vs. 9 pitchers since they play the same in practice (moving an extra SP off the bench).

  36. Mikey boy324 says:
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    So you wouldn’t draft a guy like soto or Napoli as your first Catcher say in the 12-14 rounds?

  37. @Mikey boy324: Nah, I’d probably just wait until the last couple of rounds and get the best of what’s left. I love punting catchers.

  38. Mikey boy324 says:
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    Thanks for the advice I think I’m gonna do that

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