Razzball Glossary Entry: SAGNOF
Pronunciation: Sag Noff
Noun
1. SAGNOF — Saves Ain’t Got NO Face. The act or instance of ignoring how terrible a pitcher is, instead concentrating on his role of closer.
Is this guy the best reliever for the job of closer? Who knows? Doesn’t matter. SAGNOF!
2. SAGNOF — Steals Ain’t Got NO Face. The act or instance of ignoring how awful a hitter is as long as he’s fast.
Just dropped Crapolanco for this minor league journeyman who had 40 steals in Triple-A… SAGNOF!
Verb
1. SAGNOF’ing. To employ SAGNOF.
I’m SAGNOF’ing with LaTroy Hawkins, Saul Rivera and every guy in the Tigers pen.
Adjective
1. SAGNOFy. Mood characterized by an extreme wont for saves or steals.
I was feeling especially SAGNOFy and picked up Emilio Bonifacio to play 3rd.
Variation
1. SAGNOF’er. One who employs SAGNOF.
I’m a SAGNOF’er ’til I die. Get the saves and steals and leave the cannoli!
Origin
The philosophy of SAGNOF is one that polarizes the fantasy baseball community. Some squeamish players have nightmares over the time that Jose Mesa gave up 6 ERs in a 1/3 of an inning (don’t write a book about it – learn from Omar Vizquel) while others revel about how they somehow got 30 saves and a near-2.00 ERA from a seemingly washed up Todd Jones in 2005.
While most fantasy baseballers would agree that you’ve got to roster anyone who can provide Saves, the SB specialist is more maligned. One look at Wily Taveras’s HR/RBI/AVG makes you wish fantasy baseball rosters were like figure skating and diving competitions where you can wipe out the lowest scores. The creative fantasy baseballer, however, sees a SAGNOF and creates a minotaur with a lumbering slugger. Examples include the international playboy Juan Pierre Dunn and Green Mile actor Michael Bourn Howard.
We at Razzball do not judge the SAGNOF. An itch needs to be scratched. A loose nut needs to be screwed. And a team sometimes needs some Saves and Stolen bases even if they’re not pretty.
i hate to sagnof in the o.f. so im replacing 2nd base fontenot for any sagnof that running wild,
Somewhere out there is a better term than SAGNOF. I hope someday we will find it.
you mentioned Burriss. I have Aviles a SS and Lopez at 2B. I picked up Burriss to play at SS because I don’t think I will lose that much in regards to power. I was not aware until yesterday that Burriss stole 68 bases in his first year in the minors. Granted it was single A, but still. And I agree with AL Koholic. I dont like wasting an OF stop on a high steal/low power guy. I would rather use 2B or SS since there isnt a ton of great players anyways, and the 12th ranked guy isn’t that much differetn than the 6th ranked guy.
I’m feeling especially SAGNOFy this morning, think I’ll steal me a few more winks………………
@ Grey :
with roberts , f. lopez , ellsbury , hart , dukes , & , crisp in my active line-up , i feel that i have a pretty good grasp of the SB category .
soon after the draft , i dropped j. rauch and stashed bourn (who will start the season in the 2-hole) on my bench …. for the two-fold reason of having a trading chip , and as a pre-emptive strike (taking his SBs out of play).
now i have discovered that i have no back-up at SS … already in the 1st week , i have “open” dates , and am considering dropping bourn and adding hairston jr (maybe batting 2nd in cincy) ….. dumb idea ??
maybe i should insert bourn into my own line-up now , at the expense of a real hitter , and try and build up a huge lead in the SB category , before he drops to 8th in the order ??
thanking you , in advance .
p.s
fell asleep at the switch , and allowed burriss to be picked up from the pool , 3 days ago ….. burriss for bourn i should have done , perhaps ??
@BigFatHippo: have a bloody marry,ill be in town in 4 hours,,you better be ready to go to kerry`s bar you sagnoficking drunk
My wife caught me sagnofing last night.
@AL KOHOLIC: Yes, MI SAGNOF is much better than OF.
@Freak: How dare you!
@cleaver596: Yup.
@BigFatHippo: Don’t sleep through your draft.
@big o: Hold Bourn, he has more value. Padding your steals isn’t a bad idea, but you also don’t want to fall behind in other categories. Ying/yang.
I’d prefer Burriss over Bourn, yeah. Don’t beat yourself up over it. You’re big o, don’t ever forget that!
@Doc: “Dear, why are you picking up Saul Rivera? Why?!”
i’ve got 7 offensive stats, and SBs is one of them. same with pitching, and saves is one of those as well. because of the increased number of categories, the importance of steals/saves as a percentage to the overall categories decrease. i don’t touch bourn or guys like him and i love it when my competition trade and compete for one category while i clean up in the others and settle for a mid score in steals.
Hey, Grey. What are your projections for Russel Branyan. I’m considering trading away Laroche and Ibanez for the flyin’ hawaiian. I have kendry morales and don’t really think Laroche gives me that much more than kendry (if he plays to potential, that is). My backup plan is Branyan @ 1B. Im thinking a pretty custian line without the ops benefit…
@cubbies299: Yup, Branyan is a straight Three True Outcome player. He gives you Ks, HRs and walks. If you need pop, Branyan’s your man.
Read this morning that Maybin is going to bat second in the Marlins’ lineup with Bonifacio leading off and HanRam in the three hole. Could be a great run-scoring, basestealing opportunity. I just don’t think he handles the bat well enough to hit second. I foresee a lot of first innings with Hanley in the box, nobody on, and two out.
Who do you think is a better bet for a speculative SAGNOF pickup in an AL-Only league: Santiago Casilla or Ryan Perry?
@oh word?: Casilla
Count me as one of those who loves to SAGNOF where the S is saves, but I get squeamish when the S is steals.
Last year for example I got lucky when Bourn was hitting above .210 at the beginning of the season and racking up steals, but as soon as he gave me two weeks of .047 I had to cut the cord.
I just can’t look at an average like that. My eyes! The SAGNOF goggles do nothing!
For some reason though I don’t mind seeing a 4.70 ERA and 1.48 WHIP from a guy who is scoring me saves. I think it’s because the IP over three weeks from that guy is like 6.2 compared to 27 from an SP. The SAGNOF hitter still piles up the ABs.
In conclusion, I’m not above SAGNOFing for steals, but it is something I try to avoid whenever possible. I love me a big steaming plate of SavesAGNOF though.
Who’s the better SAGNOF option: Burriss of F-Lopez
Also, am I off base in reading risk to Corey Hart’s SB totals? I dont feel comfortable assuming another 23 in 2009. I feel like I might have ended up with an expensive Jose Guillen.
Sometimes I SAGNOF three times a day. The lady loves watching.
@ Big O: In regards to your strategy of stockpiling SB’s – I have found that it is really difficult to get the value you want out of those guys. If you have too many, you’ll find yourself either dropping them for FA’s, or chokin’ em like Wayne Brady.
@brad: Yeah, usually you have a lousy starter replacing your lousy closer, so at least with the lousy closer you’re getting saves. With the steals, you’re usually sacrificing a decent waiver wire hitter unless you’re in a deep league or you’re using the speedster at an MI spot.
@Falcon: Lopez
@sean: I read that Maybin will actually bat 8th against righties and 2nd against lefties. Knocks him down a notch or two and doesn’t seem to help the Marlins in the slightest. May actually harm them.
http://baseballmusings.com/?p=31363
As a Maybin and not Bonifacio owner, I hope that the latter flops very quickly, so we can get this nonsense behind us and start getting me some runs.
@Grey: A MI spot is definitely the most palatable. (I’ll admit to snagging Burris and Andrus in a couple of leagues) But even in my deepest of leagues I shun the Willy Taveras’ of the world. Maybe that’s to my disadvantage. . . .
@royce!: Maybe I’m being too optimistic, but I think Maybin will be fine and Bonifacio will be dropped in the order by the end of April at the latest.
Guy just offered me Bedard/Beltre for Weaver/Gordon. Seems like too many mariners on my team, but I might be getting the better value in it. I see jokey smurf written all over this
Hey. Last pick in a minor league draft. who should I take between these guys:
Dayan Viciedo, Yonder Alonso (I like), Brett Wallace, Brian Mutasz, Chris Tillman, Michael Ynoa, Derek Holland, Carlos Santana, Mike Stanton, Jarrod Parker, and I think Ben Revere are options.
Think you could give me ur top three? Just in case one gets nabbed… Thanks much Grey. You’re, as always, a lifesaver.
@cubbies299: I want Bedard/Beltre.
Viciedo, Jarrod Parker, Holland, Brian Mutasz, Alonso, Ynoa…
@Grey: me and hippo made it to our Il.draft,and yes hippo made it this morning,right now his face is red and he`s getting drunk,,not me though,hehe
Both pictures are of Rockies…RAGNOF?
Hey Grey,
Original Recipe draft and roster was posted in the forum.
A difficulty drafting in an RCL is that it is like drafting against 11 Grey Mini-Me’s.
Philosophically matching and losing out on players by round by round by 3 managers – Pork, Hippo, and Doc.
@AL KOHOLIC: Ha! Nice, keep me informed. And go easy on Steve.
@Freak: Yup.
Razzball is TOO popular! I just finished my draft and my leaguemates, who are normally adding chuckleheads and has-beens at the end of our draft, snatched up every Donkey-Corn and Mr. Freeze.
Now I’m on the waiver wire. Assuming this were the Titanic, how would you arrange these deck chairs?
Sherrill, Rodney, Lyons, Nunez, Corpas, Devine, Downs
@JR: Rodney, Sherrill, Downs, Lyon, Devine, Corpas.
@Grey: Gracias.
I has a question.
12team/27players. Would you drop Beaurhle or Kawakami(or both) for any of the following.
J.Sanchez,Guthrie,A.Sanchez,Penny,C.Buchholz,Adenhart,Snell or anyone else in this area, I might have missed a few.
Cherrio
Hey. Just realized Alcedes Escobar’s an option, but he seems like he’s more of a defensive stud than offensive. Still. I can pick him or Viciedo. Pretty sure I’ll take your advice on Viciedo. Also that kila ka’a’a’a’a’a is available. This is a keeper league, so not a huuuge deal if they’re not impact this year.
and gaby sanchez… wow i’m such a failfest
Longtime SAGNOFer, just didn’t know what it was called.
@JavaBeanHead: Hold tight.
@cubbies299: Take Gaby.
@ep: Now you have something to call the people in your support group.
@Grey: Don’t worry – Steve was able to butcher it all by himself…
Dukes suck-ceeded at losing the job to Kearns:
The Nationals OF Austin Kearns, batting .279 (12-for-43) with four home runs and a 1.017 OPS this spring, has won the starting job in right field over Elijah Dukes, according to the Washington Post.
@sean: Yeah, seemed like it was headed that way.
Alright so I moved Devine to the DL because he is eligible as of today and picked up Chris Ray.
Now on too my starting line-up for the first week of the season!
I have Peavy, Beckett & Billingsley as my starters while Jenks, Hanrahan, Motte & Ray fill the closer positions. My opponent appears to be starting Haren, Kazmir, Carmona, Verlander while Broxton Papelbon and Rodney are his closers.
Will Motte or Ray be the closer for their respective teams to start the season? Should I bench one of them (which) and place Slowey or Wainwright in their place to match-up against him?
@Steve: told you this auction was nuts,,hippo went fielde,sizemore,utley and a-rod,then was out of money for 2 hours,he kept stud sp`s so it worked,i screwed up not getting that one extra sp,counting on slowey late,and got out bid for him and bedard,havent seen stevos team yet but i know we couldnt get him to part with that money early,,,i grabbed 5 closersto help with possible trades for sp,,steve ill get with you when teams are posted,i think commish forgot to add 4th of,sucks,good luck
@AL KOHOLIC: It’s a n00b’s team if ever there was one. I probably have SP to give – OFs too without that extra spot…
“SAGNOFy” is my middle name,…..no really.Be it late in the season when it’s a spot I can make up ground, or early, I always overpay.
@Steve: commish say`s he cant change settings now from 3 to 4,but we will address our pitching,soon
60 day dl on devine. Droppable? I’m thinking yes
@Grey: Are you at all worried about Gaby Sanchez’s chances of becoming a fixture with Logan Morrison in the Marlins’ system? Kinda torn between him and Viciedo, as Cubans seem to adjust well to the league and Josh Fields whiffs at Marc Reynolds levels.
Wow, I just found out Phill Hughes is an option in my minor league draft. Would you take him ahead of some of the more generic prospect names?
…Also BJ Upton just got DL status on Yahoo…so another potential option on defense would be drop Devine, fill my DL spot with Upton and grab another closer just in case Motte or Ray don’t work out. Then in a week when Upton is back, drop whatever closer doesnt get the ball in the 9th
@Nick: Bench Ray, start Motte. Start Wainwright.
@cubbies299: Yup.
@cubbies299: I like Viciedo better long term and Gaby short term.
@Nick: I like that idea better.
@Yanks Farm?: Yeah, grab Hughes.