The Razzball Commenter League Master Standings are now available. We added a link in the top left of our main menu under ‘Razzball Commenter Leagues’ for future reference.

Early congratulations / unintended jinx to…

  1. The Pesky Pole Dancers who are in 1st place among the 456 participants (38 leagues of 12)! And thanks for putting an image in my head of Johnny Pesky pole dancing. At least you didn’t name it after this guy.
  2. Everyone in RCL 5 as you are currently the most competitive league (competitive index of 105).

We’ll do our best to update the standings on a regular basis. We’re currently talking to a commenter about becoming the league commissioner of which the duties will be to update the standings regularly, mine for interesting data, and sell used cars in Milwaukee.

League Competitive Index is based on the total stats for the whole league. The index page can be found here. The points formula is courtesy of Tom Tango at and is: HR + SB + R/3 + RBI/3 + (H-.27*AB) + 2*W + 1.5 * SV + K / 5 + IP – (ER+H+BB/ 2).

One last item. It would be great if we can attach each team to a Razzball Commenter handle. Please fill out the below form so we can add your handle to the Master Standings page (note: you can also enter this for a leaguemate if you like).

  1. NewBVick says:

    Excellent. Any ETA info on Fantasy Razzball League standings?

  2. Stormin' Norman says:

    HECK YEAH, MOST COMPETITIVE LEAGUE! Too bad I’m in like 6th.

  3. Stormin' Norman says:

    what what, most competitive league too bad I’m in 6th, what what.

  4. MKEeast says:

    How is competitiveness of the leagues measured? Total number of moves?

  5. papasmurf says:

    I would be interested in seeing team stats.

    I am in a regular yahoo league, but my team sucks so much that I think I would be competitive (unintentionally) in a razzball league.

  6. OaktownSteve says:

    Thanks for the hard work, fellas. You guys are the bee’s knees.

  7. @papasmurf: RCL is diff’t than razzball leagues. It’s traditional 5×5 roto w/12 team leagues and the leagues are on ESPN. Razzball leagues are on yahoo.

  8. @MKEeast tough to tell; RCL 5 has lots moves, but also narrow gap between worst to first in terms of point. First place team has fewer than 80 points.

  9. Grey

    Grey says:

    @mauledbypandas: I asked your organizer for the league link four times over email. He was removed when he didn’t respond to me.

  10. mauledbypandas says:

    @Grey: ahh damn, that explains it then. Thanks for the heads up.

  11. I made a conscious effort to actually watch Morneau’s ABs this past week before I traded him for a bag of rocks. After watching about 20 consecutive ABs, I promptly traded him for Hosmer. Most people would call that crazy, but after seeing what I saw, and seeing what he and the Twins have done to date…. I feel like I bailed out on him before the ship totally sinks and still got an exciting piece back. I know exciting doesn’t win leagues, but neither does a 2011 Justin Morneau. He sucks. Disgraceful List trip coming.

    Stupid, savvy, or somewhere in between?

  12. OaktownSteve says:

    @Carns: Watched Hosmer this weekend against the A’s. Kid’s gonna be a star. And soon. Great extension in his swing. Showed a lot of discipline in a couple tough at bats. He got some welcome to the bigs treatment from a couple of tough A’s, but he’s got a lot of class. The way he looks in the field, runs the bases going to ensure that the Royals are patient if the bat goes quiet for a while.

    …and Morneau just ain’t right.

  13. @NewBVick: Aiming for next Monday.

    @MKEeast: The index is based on the league totals across the 10 stats. I derive a point total from this, average it for all leagues, and divide the league’s points against the average * 100.

    @papasmurf: There’s a link on the standings page to see all league URLs. So you can check out any team/league you want…

    @Carns: I’d take Hosmer over Morneau in our leagues at this point. Bastard is killing us.

  14. @Oaktown: Great to hear! I was surprised he had the discipline to walk his first two PAs, kinda telling to me that that’s how he conducts himself in his first 2 times up in the major leagues.

    As for JM, I totally agree. His avg has been kinda erratic over his career but dude is missing easy pitches by a foot, this isn’t just a .274 year. It smells like the kinda year where you look back in October and wish you had done something about it 4 months ago.

  15. Chris says:

    The ECFBL already has 642 FA pickups through these first 40 days of the season. Imagine we have all other leagues blown out of the water in activity, but the 50+ pt split between first and last in our standings seems to hurt our “competitiveness” score badly (sitting at just 101).

    Toughest league I’ve ever been a part of…

    PS – That HEELYS ad is damn annoying.

  16. @Rudy: I’m glad you said that. It’s unlike you to call someone a bastard too, so I know he’s been getting to you. I’d been starting him every single day too for some weird, masochistic reason but enough is enough.

  17. mauledbypandas says:

    @Rudy Gamble: woohoo! thanks

  18. @Chris: The point split isn’t a factor. it’s total league stats – so sum of counting stats and average for ratio stats that drives it. Adding this to post for future reference.

  19. neat league strength calculus.

    I wonder… would it be possible to do a straight up giant roto scoring across all leagues? Worst in a stat gets 1 point, leader gets a number of points equal to the number of teams in the league?

    how difficult is it to export data into excel? does ESPN offer any such functionality?

    I know it’s possible to “scrape” the data off the league standings pages and dump them into a database or spreadsheet, but that’d take a few hours of programming (for me, an out of practice Cold Fusion programmer anyway… there’s probably someone in one of the leagues that could whip something up much more quickly…)

  20. @Rudy Gamble:

    seems like point split should be a factor doesn’t it? I mean if you have a Yankee fan trading Shane Victorino for Nick Swisher, the stat totals in the league won’t change, but the scrub that got Victorino is obviously benefiting from the reduced competitiveness of his league having to do with the weaker player. Seems like there should be some form of multiplier that accounts for that.

    Alternatively, you could ignore the stats of the worst 3-5 teams in a league when running the existing formula. This, hopefully, would eliminate a lot of the disbanded or otherwise non-competitive teams from the strength index.

  21. @MStark: I could do that fairly easily but I don’t think it’s as valuable as it’ll highly reward very good fantasy baseballers in poor leagues.

    I don’t think there’s a good way to account for inefficiencies within a league – like bad trades. We will step in if there is collusion but, otherwise, I don’t think there are major differences between leagues.

    I have considered removing the last team or two for competitive index purposes but there should be a reward for leagues where the last place teams are active and snapping up free agents.

    Last point, the index isn’t intended to play a major part in the calculations. If you look at last year’s final standings, the index played only a small role in adjusting the league point totals ( At the end of the day, fantasy baseball is really about maximizing points in your league vs. maximizing stats. The index just helps as a tiebreaker across leagues and create an even playing field.

  22. AdmiralTrey says:

    Nice! Glad to be a part of the currently most competitive league. It’s definitely been a challenge so far…

  23. Campbell says:

    I wish you guys had done this a week ago when I was in first place!


  24. yankees2011 says:

    I realize this is Rudy’s Post, but I wanted to check with Grey to see if he was planning on responding to the last few comments on the Verlander Mow Down Post (this is a selfish request because I have one there).

    Thanks much guys.

  25. AL KOHOLIC says:

    @papasmurf: You can check other leagues and teams thru the site

  26. AL KOHOLIC says:

    i am in the ECFBL league,paulie all nuts the comish and great baseball historical writer,he writes a few on here for grey at times,It is an awesome league competitive and full of trades and daily adds drops,our message board is loaded with comments and such every day,thanks to all especially grey and rudy for the site

  27. rvde says:

    Stream C. Lewis or J. Hammel tomorrow?

  28. Chase says:

    Great Job like always Rudy-

    Haven’t been as consistent on the comments as I would like, but I do still read everyday.

    Amazing that this all started with 18 loyal followers in a half season league way back when. Ah the good ol’ days.

    This has grown larger than I ever would have imagined.

  29. whodat says:

    Grey, I have Jeter and Berkman. How bout both of them for Jose Reyes because I have Logan Morrison and Hamilton coming back plus I have extra outfielders to replace Berkman.

  30. Billy501 says:

    Currently #1 in my league…despite the fact that I have a full time job, a family, and I don’t live in my mother’s basement. That’s got to be some kind of a record!!!

  31. Dude says:

    Rudy, if you were to guess at which LA relievers end the year with more saves, how would you rank Broxton, Padilla, Kuo, Jansen? Thnks and keep up the great work. You guys are haven of peace, humor and baseball in a troubled world.

  32. OregonianRedbird says:

    @ Rudy, thanks for posting the formula and explanations… I was always confused about how strength of league was calculated and assumed it had to do with the variance or standard deviation of the league standings (where smaller variance = more competitive league). This makes much more sense.

    However, Iā€™d be interested in hearing an explanation for the pitching ratios term. Specifically, why does the last term seem to reward bad pitching (ER+H+BB/2)? Is this term actually subtracted, or are Innings Pitched supposed to be incorporated somehow? Thanks.

  33. @OregonianRedbird: Good catch. The formula for pitching ratios is supposed to be IP – (H + BB + ER)/2. I’ve corrected the formula for this and reviewing one other thing…then will update the standings.

  34. All done. Standings are updated.

  35. OregonianRedbird says:

    @Rudy: Thanks, that was quick. And it even made my league more competitive so I no longer have to be in the uncomfortable position directly behind the Screaming Two-Holes.

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