David Ortiz went straight from DH to the DL. If there was any justice, he’d have at least gotten some time at DJ. So this is our rap ode, a ‘sixteen’ if you know what I mean and watch Miss Rap Supreme….

David Ortiz – you partially tore your tendon,
Ain’t no good for slapping, ain’t no good for bendin’,
You’re the Big Papi…suckaz all try to copy,
Your belly’s like Buddha’s, theirs is lookin’ all sloppy.
Now you’re out of my lineup – ay dios mio,
My smile is gone, mi corazon es frio,
Thought I’d pick up Lyle Overbay – homey, I gotcha
Maybe LaRoche, is that French for cucaracha?
Sexson and Millar and Dmitri and Barton,
Have been MIA so long, they be on a milk carton.
Maybe I’ll trade – give up some relief pitchin’,
But even if it works, other leaguemates be bitchin’.
I’m pouring some out of my forty – that shit be real fittin’
Because that was the total of homers I thought you’d be hittin’
Now I got none other than Mike Jacobs,
Here’s hoping the Sawx are rained out 60 straight — need makeups!

Anyway, don’t bother with Sean (Big Yappy) Casey unless you’re in a Razzball league.  Here’s what else I saw yesterday:

Oliver Perez – There’s very few pitchers who can pitch well for three months at a time, yet you’re still waiting for the other shoe to drop. That thud you felt tonight. That was the shoe.

Jay Bruce – Hit another home run yesterday. SaltyBiscuits (this is his real name) had some observations in yesterday’s comments about Jay Bruce. I thought it was only fair to share — SaltyBiscuits, “I once saw Jay Bruce hit 3 home runs with one swing. He scored 11 runs on the play and was awarded 3 bonus rbi’s due to his sheer awesomeness.” “Anyone notice Jay Bruce’s strange top hand adjustment during his batting stance? He kind of takes his hand off the bat for a second, almost like he is fixing his jersey. Well, it turns out that the mechanism in question is government regulated. It was instituted to prevent Jay Bruce from using full strength during his swing, which would have sent batted baseballs thousands of miles into the atmosphere causing damage to aircraft, satellite and migrating birds.” “Bud Selig has decided that Jay Bruce is no longer permitted to hold his baseball bat in the traditional fashion. From this point forward, before each at bat, Jay Bruce is given the choice to either hold the bat upside down or swing blindfolded.”

Melky Cabrera – I gotta be honest with you, if his name was John Smith. I’m not sure I would ever mention him. Last seven games, Melky is hitting .350.

Jeremy Guthrie – He do what he do. Quality starts. That’s all he does. And lose. He does that too. Remind me never to watch the Orioles again. Very frustrating.

Albert Pujols/Chase Utley – I never looked at Yahoo fantasy baseball before this year. I thought Rotoarcade was the guy I call when my lady decides to put her female “stuff” down the toilet. So I checked out the “big board” the other day. These guys are lucky Hater Bell has his hands full with Eric Karabell. Pujols is having a solid season, but he’s number one? I have him on one ‘pert team. Let’s just say, I’d offer my Benihana Buddha collection for Chase Utley. That means something! Also, why is Tim Curry the guy in charge of this “big board?” I thought William Fichtner stole all of his gigs.

Adam Wainwright – Ill-timed home run by Jason Michaels. On a related note, I hate Jason Michaels.

John Smoltz – The old man blew a save. Maybe he was a little rusty from being 41 or from throwing three trillion innings in the last 20 years. If you have him, you better hope he’s fine because now you’ll officially be selling low. Not an ideal situation.

Ryan Spilborghs – Back and batting third for people who keep track of that sort of thing. Won’t last past Holliday’s return, but there’s value for a week.

Ian Stewart – Fifth game at 2nd base. He’s better than the Alex(e)i twins.

Ben Francisco – Hit a home run in the two hole. Recognize! Actually, I’ve cooled on him since I picked him up last week, but he’s still on one team. Not sure for how long. Maybe ‘ever! (Is that apostrophe cutting off an “n” or a “for?” You make the call!) (Actually, it’s probably a “for” since an “n” wouldn’t really make sense. And that folks is how you go back-to-back with parentheses!)

Casey Blake – 2 HRs/7 RBIs. Andy Marte can’t catch a break.

Josh Hamilton -16 HRs/65 RBIs which is roughly 77 HRs/180 RBIs in street value.

Aaron Laffey – Marginal fantasy pitcher + game in Arlington = ugly

Jake Westbrook – Thanks for punching the clock. You can go back on workers’ comp now.

Mark Teixeira – Hit a home run. If anyone’s keeping track of these things, Teixeira is a 2nd half hitter. Zoinks! (BTW, His last name breaks the ‘I” before “E” rule and it trips me up every time. I’d go with Tex, but that’s a lame nickname. Mex would work for me, but that’s Just For Men. If someone can come up with a good nickname for him, I’ll give you the geocaching coordinates of a treasure that only me and a Hasidic Rabbi know about and, because of kosher laws, I’m the only that can get to it!)

  1. Tony B. says:

    For a Teixy nickname, what about Mark “e.i.” Teixeira after that song e.i by Nelly. I can see a July 6th headline. “E.I” hit 2 bombs tonight, those of you who bought low on him in late May, congrats, again”

    If that’s too gay, totally dismiss the fact that I mentioned this.

  2. john says:

    Mark Ta-Share-Alot…of love for the long ball…of toys with the other kids (aka good pitches for chipper)…of Tex-juice with Grey’s girlfriend…of crappy nicknames

  3. john says:

    While I don’t totally hate my own ‘nickname’ 2-cents..E.I. is a pretty good nickname

  4. wakeNbake says:

    Somebody offered me Cole Hamels for Verlander and Sherill. I think Sherill is definetely worth the upgrade from Verlander to Hamels. What you guys think??

  5. MC Serch says:


    You got a little off topic, but your lyrics were slammin’.

    You’re safe this week. Fall back, ma.

  6. Steve says:

    Boys – you probably know by now that not only do I love the MR, but that they are crucial to my chances of success in my league.
    Looks like Rodney and Zumaya are not too far away from a return.
    Which one should I grab?
    And should I drop Leo Nunez to do it?
    I have Nunez, by the way, because he is an SP-eligible MR. Sounds like he is on the Dl for a good, long time, though…

  7. B.J. says:

    What to do with Zimmerman? I have him in both of my leagues and my main one he’s going to the DL but my 9 teamer we only have only DL(going to use it on Big Papi) and I have no backup 3B. I’m carrying 6 SP and 5 Closers(none worth dropping of course). Would you drop Zimm outright for Kouzmanoff or Carlos Guillen who has 1b, 3B and SS elig?

  8. B.J. says:

    I meant to say one DL spot in the above post. Sorry still not awake yet haha

  9. @Tony B.: @john: Not bad on the nicknames. Not sure I’m sold. How about Mark TimeShara. He’s ‘in-season’ only about 1/2 the time and that’s ideally when you’d own him…..

    @wakeNbake: I’d make that trade.

    @Steve: I’ll believe Zumaya and Rodney are back when I see them pitch. That said, drop Nunez already. You can’t waste a roster spot on an injured MR…are Brocail or Scott Down available? I’ve got them in one league and they’ve been solid.

    @B.J.: In the 9 team league, drop him. I’d prefer Kouz or C-Guile anyway. He has no value if those caliber of players are FAs. As for the other league, I’d consider dropping him if there are good caliber 3Bs on the FA wire.

  10. john says:

    haha..Rudy, thats a quality nickname as well. I’m glad I don’t have to decide which one gets used.

  11. BSA says:

    So I woke up and thought, hmmmm, I have some outfield to share and someone in my league lost Big Papi. Who goes shopping first? Let him lay there in despair since I look at his bench with three out of four on the DL until mid-June. Oh the catbird seat, nice place to be sometimes.

  12. B.J. says:

    @Rudy: In my main league I’ve got Kouz at 3B with nobody decent on the wire. so that is why I’m hesitant to drop Zimm in my 13 teamer. I’m trying to move some SP but my league mates suck when it comes to trades.

  13. @B.J.: In a 13 team league, I can see Zimm having some value. If you’ve got the space, stash him. But, if you really need the room, dropping him won’t kill you. Especially once Fields and Headley get called up (eventually…)

  14. BSA says:

    @Rudy – the man giving you a day to Razz after yesterday?

  15. Emcobra says:

    Tex-sure-a-not going to be drafted in the first round any more

  16. @BSA: Haven’t left for work yet. Not sure I’ll get any chance to Razz once I’m there so getting it in while i can….

    @Emcobra: Not bad. A little long though :)

  17. Frank Rizzo says:

    Wainwright tore me up last night bad. Pitched so good then the GS totally ruins it. To add insult to injury, Larussa leaves him in 1 more inning and he gives up 1 more run to get the L instead of a no decision.

    Damnit. This weeks not starting off well.

  18. Zebo says:

    @Rudy & Grey: I asked yesterday, but again, time to panick about Ortiz yet? Drop? Trade and get something?

  19. @Frank Rizzo: I hear you on Wainwright. Had him and Pettitte in two leagues and they blew gift-wrapped wins against the Pirates and Twins.

    @Zebo: No reason to panic. Just stash Ortiz and fill in the gaps for now. I’ve got Papi in a 12-team league and I’m starting a blahtoon of Mike Jacobs and Adam LaRoche. Rumor is he’ll be out a month. Hope for a hot month from your replacement and perhaps your team won’t even feel it – except in the clubhouse b/c everyone loves Papi…

  20. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    “77 HRs/180 RBIs in street value.” OMG, I just laughed so hard my crackpipe shattered.

    Now is the time to sell a 1b/DH to a Papi owner? I’m a big fat whore and own Howard, Fielder, D Lee and Miggy C. Which one would you (as in the razz group) trade? What’s a good return?

    Ugh… I started Wainwright and Guthrie last night. That’s like showing up for a threesome with a bad case of erectile disfunction.

  21. scott says:

    MS Serch in the Razz-House! Where’s the Prime Minister kid? Slammin’ lyrics Grey…..

  22. Zebo says:

    is this it for Ortiz ’08?

  23. Zebo says:

    @Rudy: Currently, I have Doumit and Santiago Casilla occupying my 2 available DL spots, do I drop one of them to make way for Ortiz, and pick up a bat? FYI, my catcher now is Navarro, and my starting relief pitching is Hoffman, F. Cordero, Jonathan Broxton (ouch) and Salomon Torres, with Chris Perez on my bench. We use 4 SP, 2 RP and 2P.

  24. @IowaCubs: Wow. That is a helluva 1B stash. Assuming you’re set on 3B, I’d look to trade Miggy C. Seems like a lost season in Detroit. I’d be targeting their best player – perhaps a Brandon Webb? Perhaps one of those 1B and your SS for Hanley? All depends on what your team needs and what their best asset is. You could just ask them whether they are interested in a trade and see what they propose…

    @Zebo: They say a month. No reason to doubt right now. It never hurts to have two strong 1B so if you can make a trade, do it. If someone offers you fair value for Ortiz, it might make sense as well…

  25. Frank Rizzo says:

    Asked yesterday about feeling on Delmon Young and mostly received “meh” from everyone. Well now I’m the proud owner of Mr. Meh. I grabbed him for a backup OF and he’ll work nicely there since he has eligibility in every position. I’ll only be holding onto Spilborghs for another week or so because he’s about to become irrelevant again.

    I traded away Alex “The Great” Gordon for Delmon. I have Miguel Cabrera, Conor Jackson, and Giambi at 1b, and David Wright plus Yunel Escobar with 3b eligibility….not to mention Cabrera is a 3b as well. In other words it was overkill in my mind and I felt Gordon was expendable for the flexibility of Young. And last night Young looked pretty stinking good against the Yank-me’s.

    So now everyone can pile on for how bad of a trade I just made. TIA

  26. Tony B. says:

    TimeShara = Winner

  27. Off-White says:

    Trade Posada for Marcum? I know Marcum’s BABIP has been off the charts low, but does this deal represent a decent return for Jorge?

  28. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    Is anyone watching the closer situation in Florida? Would you call three blown saves by Kevin Gregg a half cause for concern? Is Lindstrom the alternate or is Pinto?

  29. Frank Rizzo says:

    @rudygamble: Being a Miggy owner I take offense to you claiming a “lost season” in Detroit. Out of the all-star 1st basemen IowaCubs mentioned, I think I’d trade off Fielder. Maybe I’m blinded since I’m an owner, but I still believe Miggy is worth more than Fielder.

    And maybe you haven’t looked at the AL Central lately. Nobody wants to win the thing right now. As bad as the Tigers are, they’re still right in that pathetic race and if they decide to put it together, they could easily lock that division up.

  30. peter says:

    Teixeira = Mr. T. I pity the foo’ who sells low before the all star break.

  31. p0rk burn says:

    @Iowa: I watch pretty much all the Marlins games so I’ll go ahead and declare myself the expert in this situation. Gregg’s job is safe right now. Pinto’s stats look good currently but I dont trust him in middle relief and I’m pretty sure Freddy Gonzalez doesn’t either. He loves to give up the long ball. Right now there isn’t any talk about shaking things up in the bullpen. I’d wait for a few more choke jobs by Gregg before taking action.

    But draft Pinto in the razzball league.

    @Frank, Rudy: I actually agree 100% with Rudy on this one. I think Miggy has the most draw attached to his name and can subsequently get the most back in a deal. He definitely has a chance of turning things around and having a good season, but I don’t think that possibility is greater than the rest of those players. Prince is showing signs (again) of getting back on track. 3 homeruns in 4 games makes me a pretty happy guy because I kept Prince over Braun in a keeper league. Grey’s opinion about Braun repeating his ’07 numbers reinforced my own doubts.

  32. Zebo says:

    @Grey: I am thinking about dropping Doumit or Santiago Casilla, who are occupying my 2 available DL spots, to make way for putting Ortiz on my DL, and pick up a bat. FYI, my catcher now is Navarro, and my starting relief pitching is Hoffman, F. Cordero, Jonathan Broxton (ouch) and Salomon Torres, with Chris Perez on my bench. We use 4 SP, 2 RP and 2P.

    The guys I am considering picking up, Chase Headley, Ian Stewart, Alex Casilla. Actually now I need a 1B eligible player as both cojacks and ortiz are hurting, what do I do? The top options at 1B on my wire is: pretty scary, Huff, Casey Blake, Millar, Hinske, Carlos Delgado. I went from being loaded with 1B (Ortiz, Mono, Cojack) to none (2 hurt, Mono for Dye, then Dye for Cano).

  33. Baron Von Vulturewins says:

    @Frank Rizzo: Gordon for Young is a good trade. I’d say either one has about an equal chance of breaking out. I don’t quite understand why Gordon doesn’t hit more homers — ’cause when he does, they’re moonshots. Maybe he needs to watch some tape of Jay Bruce, although he should watch it through a pinhole camera, like looking at an eclipse.

    @IowaCubs: I traded Gregg a month ago b/c he was on the top my list of Closers Most Likely to Be Replaced by July 1. He’s got everything going for (against?) him: Journeyman reliever handed role; doesn’t K many people (his current K:BB is 20:16 — yuck); backed up by bullpen of young flamethrowers. All of that spells D-O-O-M in my B-O-O-K. Not sure who Option B is in Florida, but this is definitely worth watching. If you own Gregg, I’d wait a day or two until the smoke clears (nothing smells fishier than trade offers after two straight blown saves) then shop aggressively.

    @Off-White: I was never a big Marcum fan but I’m becoming a believer. I think this is a great trade if you can swing it. Jorge may provide next to no value this year.

    @Zebo: I’d drop Casilla, unless you’re in a Holds league, in which case I’d drop out of the Holds league.

    @Frank Rizzo: I think you’re right about the Tigers but I wouldn’t trade Prince Fielder. Every hitter goes through streaks, but sluggers especially. I could see Fielder hitting 24-28 homers after the All-Star Break. For serious.

    I might trade Lee out of that group, just because his value might be the highest. Then again, Fielder and Howard seem kind of redundant, unless it’s a two-team league.

  34. SaltyBiscuits says:

    @ Razzball Nation

    A) Granderson, Guerrero, Sherrill
    B) Dunn, Hudson, Saunders

    Team A doesn’t need saves and needs to shed an excess outfielder (already has Bruce and Victorino).


  35. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @Frank Rizzo: I agree with you about the Tigers. I have very little faith in either the Twins or White Sox that makes me believe that they can beat the Tigers once Zumaya and Rodney come back.

    Miggy has more value than Fielder, I agree, but that said, I need HR and SB more than AVG, and all things being equal, I’d rather side with Fielders HR/RBI potential than Miggy’s 4 categories.

  36. peter says:

    @Zebo: I’d let go of Santiago Casilla (or whatever his name is this season). He doesn’t offer the same immediate value as Doumit when he comes back. Plus, pitcher coming back from arm problems = no guarantee that he’ll have his stuff right away.

    I just read the CoJack could be back as early as Wednesday – so you may not be far off from a little bit of relief at 1B. As for those other guys you mentioned, Casey Blake’s performance last night means you’ve got to at least watch him over the next day or two. NO ONE has been hitting in Cleveland, and the lineup has got to be turning it around one of these days.

    I guess I’d also say watch Delgado. I’ve watched his at bats the last few days and at the plate he’s looked better than John Kruk trying to hit a softball. Which is an improvement. And some day the guys in front of him will actually get on base and he’ll see some RBI opportunities.

  37. SaltyBiscuits says:

    Also, Todd Jones dropped…

    Are the Tigers ever going to start winning? If they do, will he be adequate in saving those wins?

  38. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @Baron Von Vulturewins: I just added Lindstrom since I had an open roster spot. I’m betting on him even though his k/bb ratio isn’t much better (13:10). He has always had a filthy Hr/FB %, and this year is no exception (currently at 0%), so I’m betting that as a righty with closing experience in AA, he’s sorta the Chris Perez in waiting.

  39. Baron Von Vulturewins says:

    @SaltyBiscuits: I’m guessing your Team A? I don’t love this trade. Either Granderson or Vlad could net Dunn straight up, so then the trade breaks down to Vlad and Sherrill for Hudson and Saunders. I wouldn’t trade a top-3 pick OF and a legit closer for two 3rd/4th starters.

    If there’s a better pitcher, I’d target that: Grandy, Vlad, Sherrill for Dunn and Lackey, or Dunn and Haren. I think that’s certainly fair. Or just trade Grandy and Sherrill for Dunn and Hudson. That way, you keep Vlad; he keeps Saunders. You win.

    re: Todd Jones — my rule of thumb is that any active closer is worth owning. If you hoard them, you can trade them. Closers will have value to someone; if not Jones, then maybe someone better on your team that you can trade and keep Jones. Jones isn’t my favorite closer, obviously, but until he actually implodes — which should have happened around 2002 — he’s worth owning.

  40. Frank Rizzo says:

    @SaltyBiscuits: I can think of about 20 closers I’d rather have than Jones. The ONLY reason that hack is still around is because Zumaya is such a complete idiot who would rather play guitar zero than make a gajillion dollars as a premier closer in the league.

    Jones could get a lot of saves, but if the scores within a run when he comes in it’s almost a coin flip save/blown save.

  41. Hank

    Hank says:

    Nick names for Teixeira:
    Half Time
    Fair Weather T
    Post All-star Break Stud Teixeira = PABST
    The Switch
    In the spring we can call him Jekyll and when he is a fantasy monster we call him Hyde

  42. peter says:

    @SaltyBiscuits: Ugh – Vlad has looked SO bad. It must be tough to make contact with forks in both one’s knees.

    I *guess* I’d take Dunn, Hudson and Saunders if I didn’t need the saves. I think it’s conceivable, likely even, that Dunn hits as many HR as Granderson and Vlad combined. I’d be losing a little bit of speed w/ the loss of Grandson – but not much. I think his speed is overrated. I imagine more in the neighborhood of 18-20 bags, not 25-30. But I don’t love Saunders going forward (his K:BB doesn’t look good). But if I don’t need saves, maybe the pitching side of the deal is a wash.

  43. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    I like THE VOWEIL for Teix’s nickname.

  44. @Frank Rizzo: Sorry Frank. Just don’t see Miggy putting up 1st round #s. I always devalue hitters their first year changing leagues and add value to pitchers who changed leagues (which might explain me having Johan and Haren in two leagues). I think he’s lucky to finish with the same stats as A-Ram.

    @Off-White: It matters what the FA market looks like. Posada has risk but is a top 5 hitting catcher when healthy. I’m leaning towards a thumbs-up on the deal assuming there are some decent catchers available in FA (i’m bullish on flores on WAS right now).

  45. peter says:

    @Baron Von Vulturewins: I like your points on the @SaltyBiscuits trade. And you’re right, go for the better pitcher if you can.

    But I just don’t value Vlad much right now. As he hobbles towards fly balls, he doesn’t look like a guy capable of turning it around.

  46. cockyphoenix says:

    @SaltyBiscuits: Todd Jones is entrenched in that job last I heard. He is dreadful to own and painful to watch, but SAGNOF, and he hasn’t blown one yet this year despite the razztastic ratios (though the Yanks lit him up for 3 ER in one non-save situation).

    I have Kevin Slowey starting today against my own Birds (feel so dirty), but I’m not dead-set on keeping him behind Hamels, Lackey, Vazquez, Shields, Wainwright, and Kershaw. Dan Wheeler, Al Reyes, Chris Perez, Max Scherzer and the entire Marlins bullpen are free agents right now. WWJD? (what would JayBruce do)

  47. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @Rudy Gamble: Kinda like Josh Hamilton switching leagues, right? (oh, snap!)

    Miggy’s name is worth more than his numbers, so I like the idea of moving him.

  48. john says:

    lol, PABST..to mix things up we could call him Mr.BlueRibbon….there are too many good names floating around now…it sucks to be Grey/Rudy….maybe you guys should do a TimeShara on the nicknames!

  49. Baron Von Vulturewins says:

    @cockyphoenix: Entire Marlins pen including Gregg? I’d take Gregg (see caveats above).

    After that… you know, Wheeler is the sort of kind of guy in Tampa but he’s not returning much oomph for the ounce, so I’d maybe go Chris Perez, just for kicks, unless you need saves right now. I think Perez eventually inherits the closer job in St. Louis and gets 15 + saves before season’s end. However, the “eventually” in that sentence could be six weeks from now — so you could just watch and snatch later. I guess Wheeler, though talk about unsexy!

    There’s no way Jay Bruce would do that.

  50. SaltyBiscuits says:

    @ cocky, BVV, Frank & peter

    Thanks for replies. Vlad has like, negative trade value in my league. I would without hesitation trade him straight up for a #2 SP (which I peg Hudson as… he is a top 20 pitcher this year in our format). Granderson for Dunn might seem like a wash to most, but again, in our league, Dunn is somewhat of a mythic beast who’s reputation drives up his value.

    You all make great points though, and I agree that from a first glance, it wasn’t a deal favoring my side.

  51. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Zebo: Casilla.

    Casey Blake, Chad Tracy, punt. I’ve watched Delgado. He got old real fast.

    @SaltyBiscuits: You could grab more for the guys you’re giving up. (Assuming you’re Team A.) As always, if a closer is on waivers, you pick him up. I’m really hoping I don’t hear about closers being dropped in the Razzball Commenters’ League. (RCL)

    @Hank: Wow, PABST and the Switch are both good ones. Might have to put this up to a vote.

  52. p0rk burn says:

    Cockyphoenix: You have mail. Its not from Meg Ryan.

  53. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @Grey: @Hank: PABST is by far the best nickname, but the thought of taking a sip of that shit makes me want to throw up in my mouth.

  54. Grey

    Grey says:

    @p0rk burn: BTW, if you need a car, truck or van, who ya gonna call? Maroone!

  55. Grey

    Grey says:

    @IowaCubs: I also like Rudy’s TimeShareA. PABST needs a lot of explaining.

  56. p0rk burn says:

    @Grey: I’m pretty sure with 16 teams there won’t be a closer or even a set-up man with a remote possibility of getting the job available on the wire. The only way that happens is if we have a few managers quit, at which point we should ridicule them here and make them relinquish the reins to one of the many that wanted in but didn’t make the cut due to space constraints.

  57. cruisinkc says:

    Think Rauch will keep the closer job once Chad Cordero comes back?

  58. SaltyBiscuits says:

    @ Grey

    Thanks for the mention in your post regarding Bruce Facts. Salty Biscuits, while not appearing on my birth certificate, is what many of my friends refer to me as… which I find awesome.

    Are you taking part in the RCL?

    Will V-Mart go yard this year?

    Where in the world is Carmen San Diego?

  59. Baron Von Vulturewins says:

    @cruisinkc: Yes.

    Best case for Cordero is he comes back, pitches enough in set-up to prove he’s healthy, then gets traded. The Nats were planning to trade him anyway and give the job to Rauch. Grouchy Rauchy’s got it now and he ain’t giving it up.

    Some teams stick with inferior closers due to loyalty, misguided sense of “closer mentality,” etc. (See Borowski, Joe.) The Nats aren’t that team, and Cordero is not that pitcher.

  60. Grey

    Grey says:

    @SaltyBiscuits: Thank *you*. They were good, so I posted them.

    No. No. I’d guess California.

  61. SaltyBiscuits says:

    @ IowaCubs


    When the first drop of delicious, ice cold P.B.R. hits your taste buds you are reminded of what it must feel like to be immortal. The savory suds held in confinement within that trademark can are created using only the highest quality ingredients, concocted by artisan brewmasters.

  62. Zebo says:

    @Grey: is Jonathan Broxton approaching the droppable stage, or is he still high on your MR list?

  63. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    “If you haven’t tasted Pabst Blue Ribbon, but would like an idea of what it tastes like, do this – keep a straw in your pocket and wander around outside until you find a pigeon or squirrel that’s been dead for, oh, say three months. Stick the straw into the dead animal and suck. Pabst Blue Ribbon tastes like that, except worse. Plus, the taste lingers in your mouth for months. And gradually gets worse until it’s like your mouth was invaded by the notoriously rare and deadly Asian Shit Ant.”

  64. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Zebo: Well, if you take out two poundings, he only gave up 1 run in May, so he hasn’t been awful. There are other MR that will probably have the same value as Broxton if you want to switch. Downs, Lindstrom, Betancourt, Acosta, Brocail, etc.

  65. @IowaCubs: Well-played, sir, with Hamilton. Quentin would’ve worked as well. I wonder with both if it’s just a matter of time before the scouting reports bring their stats down to earth. That said, it’s not an iron clad rule. But when drafting 1st round picks, I want as little risk as possible and league adjustment (for hitters) is one.

    @SaltyBiscuits: the hipster part of me kind of likes PABST out of a can. the cheap bastard in me likes it too. i’d drink it before drinking butt light…

    @cruisinkc: Agreed with BVV. Rauch is staying as closer this year. Cordero would pitch the 8th inning and be trade bait – which was the plan for Fuentes this year until Corpas sucked it up (Glossary entry – Corpas Tunnel Syndrome – An affliction when a team owner thinks a stellar two month run at closer makes one a stellar closer.)

    @Zebo: We’re entering you into MRLA – Middle Reliever Lovers Anonymous. I’m a huge proponent of middle relievers – hold league or not – but they are strippers not girlfriend/wife material. Enjoy the ride and bolt the second there’s any drama. There’s no sex in the Champagne room…

  66. cockyphoenix says:

    @Baron Von Vulturewins: Thanks for the insight. Gregg is still rostered somewhere, but I don’t want to deal with Florida at all if he’s keeping that job. I didn’t list my bullpen of Jenks, Capps, Putz, and Taipei Slinklo (holla~), so I’m not exactly hurtin’ for saves. I saw Wheeler pitch that nailbiter (he earned a hold for that nonsense what a terrible stat) and don’t really want to deal with that either. Since I have already talked to my brother/leaguemate about Pérez, looks like he wins. I think he gets that job too, and sooner than later.

    re: Teixeira: PABST!

  67. cockyphoenix says:

    @Rudy Gamble: oh snap I don’t have Papi on any teams, here’s to one less impediment to the O’s finishing over .500 for the first time in 10 years

  68. SaltyBiscuits says:

    A) Vlad & Sherrill
    B) McLouth & Hudson?

  69. Zebo says:

    @Rudy: Oh man, I am screwed. This man is the centerpiece of my team, I tanked in April because of him, and I climbed from last to 3rd in May because of him. There is no way to predict these things, the dude blew up his wrist fouling off a pitch??!!? My guess is no one is going to give me value. How credible is that umpbump guy? Francona thinks he will be out a month. I don’t know, how long did it take other guys to come back from partially torn tendons? Given him, it may take him another “April” to start “trusting” his wrist. That pretty much wipes out this season, don’t you think?

  70. cockyphoenix says:

    @Zebo: FWIW I lost Tulowitzki, Gallardo, (Holliday), (Hamels?), (Putz?) but it hasn’t been as bad as I thought it would be. There are probably some serviceable 1B out there for free or cheap, and this could always be a looks-worse-than-it-is deal like with Casilla not long ago.

  71. Grey

    Grey says:

    @SaltyBiscuits: B

    @Zebo: I believe the wrist injury Papi’s dealing with is similar to one Nomah dealt with that zapped all of his power. The knee hurt his power. Ortiz is a Latin 32. The wrist for a hitter is a very delicate thing. I think you should be making other plans and not counting on Ortiz for much.

  72. p0rk burn says:

    @Salty: I’d give up side (a) for side (b) if it were me. As I demonstrated yesterday I’m not entirely convinced that Vlad is going to get out of his early funk. He might improve over where he is now (probably will) but I don’t know if it will be as much of an improvement as people think. Bring on the hate mail. I’m not entirely sold on McLouth being legit either (check out his May batting average) but I think he will bring you better value than Vlad. McLouth will probably be batting .280 or less at the end of the season but he should be bringing in decent power and rbis.

    If you don’t need a closer Sherrill for Hudson is fair.

  73. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Zebo: I also agree with cockyphoenix. One piece doesn’t kill a team.

  74. Off-White says:

    Connor Jackson for Chad Billingsley?

  75. Baron Von Vulturewins says:

    It’s gotta be PABST. Bee-yootiful. A great nickname should require lots of explanation, then not really make that much sense even when you do explain it. Plus, it should be awesome. PABST? Mission accomplished. Mr. BlueRibbon is just gravy.

    @SaltyBiscuits: I like this trade. I will admit maybe I’m underestimating how grim Vlad’s knees are. This is why they invented the DH, Angels. Check into it.

    @ all and sundry: Seriously, let’s give Jon Rauch some love. Have you seen his picture on Yahoo! profile page? He looks like a canary just flew up his poop shoot.

    @Rudy Gamble: I’m kind of wishing I’d waited on trading AGonzo so I could wring out the Ortiz owner… except I just checked. His team blows, even if you strip it for parts. Carry on.

    @IowaCubs: Well said. To which I can only add the immortal words of Frank Booth from Blue Velvet: “Heineken? Fuck that shit. PABST BLUE RIBBON.”

    @Zebo: Time to man up, Ortiz owners. I’d say this is bad. Very bad. As in, he sits until August, then they decide to sit him to rest him for the playoffs, a la Manny last year. The upside is that 1B is a relatively deep position, so replacements are out there. Imagine how much worse it would be to lose Hanley like this, then start digging through the dumpster for a replacement SS.

  76. BSA says:

    Local radio presents the Ortiz thing like this (paraphrased), Larry Lucchino, Red Sox executive said that when he reads about injury timelines he adds two to three weeks. With one month bringing it to the first of July an additional two weeks brings you to the trading deadline. Without a “hard” word from the organization if the Red Sox enter the deadline period kind of flat without any big moves read that as he’ll be back, Big moves = he’s done. Either way All-Star break.

    Pitching question – Three recent drops from other teams: Grienke, Pettite, Westbrook, Garza.
    My starting pitching staff is Bedard, Cueto, Harden, Hudson, Kershaw, Lincee, Shields
    Shield’s fans don’t get upset he’s last – I listed alphabetically so as to not offend or act like I know how to rate them past 1-3.

    Should I add/drop anyone for the list now in free agency? This is why I love having 2 start freaks in my league, just a matter of time before I get a sniff at guys I didn’t get in a draft.

  77. Off-White says:

    @Grey: Hopefully C-Bills owner sees it the same way, his loss of Papi can’t help his perception.

  78. cockyphoenix says:

    @Baron Von Vulturewins: All-Star Y! photo team:

    Jon Rauch
    Adam Jones
    Matt Garza

    Also, losing Tulowitzki would have made me cry if Theriot hadn’t been out there and I weren’t so wily that I managed to land Tejada. 1B is way deeper than SS.

  79. p0rk burn says:

    Looking at my Ortiz owner I don’t know if I can rape him – er take advantage of the situation. He’s got Miggy and DLee with 1st base eligibility and the only thing I’m looking to move Gonzo for is a SP.

    He’s got Johan (im guessing its not going to happen even with his usual slow start), Cliff Lee (I don’t believe in that guy), Joba, Wolf, and McGowan. I might be able to get Joba off him but I’m not too sure how Joba is going to end up as a SP. Might be worth the flier on Joba since I’m stacked with Teix, C-Guile, and Atkins also at first so Gonzo is a bit superflous.

  80. SaltyBiscuits says:


    He doesn’t want to trade McLouth and thinks Vlad for Hudson is fair straight up. Ramble mode activated: Now, deep down I think I am fine with this, as I really don’t have a spot for Vlad… however I know I am selling low… yet the knees scare me… but his only other good pitcher is Zambrano (his ace)…

  81. p0rk burn says:

    I think there was a post/comment earlier mentioning a forum dedicated to the crap/great Y? player photos.

    Dammit cockyphoenix, check your email before I move on. I’m an impatient man.

  82. cockyphoenix says:

    @p0rk burn: I’m sitting on the create-team page. It’s hard coming up with a 6th team name

  83. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Off-White: Oh, I see. You plan on trading CJ for CB. Yeah, that’s a great trade for you.

  84. RT says:

    Been quiet on the Chase Headley call-up front. Anyone heard/seen anything lately? Still worth a stash?

  85. BSA says:

    @BVV and all other PABST posters, “STOP – I am home with the a stomach flu and each post I read about Pabst I have to run to the loo.”
    @BVV – Don’t knock the SS dumpster – its loaded with quality shizznet for two week seasons

  86. RT says:

    Grey: Harden/Eveland for Ichiro/OPerez trade I mentioned a few days back has indeed been vetoed. Commish (who is in first) carried the hammer in the final days. Caused a lot of shiz on the msg board for days. Two guys have thought about quitting the league in protest… No need for a reply, was more of an FYI.

  87. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Zebo: Chris Carter might be worth a look. Unfortunately, by the time Y? adds him, everyone in your league will know about it and you probably won’t get him.

    @RT: He should’ve been up by now. Only excuse, the Padres are not a well-run organization.

  88. Grey

    Grey says:

    @RT: re: trade. Sorry, man. That’s lame.

  89. RT says:


    yeah. his reasoning was Ichiban is a top 15 OF and non-droppable according to yahoo.. yahoo = bible I guess.

    worst part was I ate what Perez cooked last night not the proverbial cdn. back bacon Harden served up.

  90. Baron Von Vulturewins says:

    @cockyphoenix: Flying Fluffernutters is still available.

    @RT: I’m now eyeing Headley, as Longoria’s streaky and Zim’s come up lame.

    Who has two thumbs, a baronial title, and is wishing he’d traded Zim for Joba a week ago when it was offered?

    This guy.

  91. p0rk burn says:

    I remembered where it was, sorry I don’t remember how I came across it (deadspin?). Anyways, if you really want to see the list you’ll have to search for it because the talk of links in comments and spam filters scare me. Just google “fantasy baseball cafe worst yahoo player profile photos” and it should be the first link.

  92. cockyphoenix says:

    @Baron Von Vulturewins: I tried 4 names before I could fit it within 20 characters. Flying Fluffernutters is 21, too. At least they let you change it whenever

    Personally I’m beginning to wonder if I should have taken Ellsbury for Putz (have Slinklo, Capps, Jenks, Perez, Hamels, Lackey, Wainwright, Shields, Kershaw, Vazquez // Hamilton, Holliday, Jay Brucewayne, Crawford, Votto, and Alexis “sucks-like-somebody-with-a-woman’s-name-should” Ríos), but the guy who offered it is in first with a commanding hold on steals and deficiency in saves, and he usually doesn’t even start Jacoby so I let him rot

  93. RT says:

    @Baron Von Vulturewins:

    yeah, i’ve had him stashed for a few weeks now. i’m just very surprised it has been so quiet. 10HR and 30RBI in Portland now as of yesterday. maybe they’re trying to keep the hype down to keep the pressure down.

  94. wakeNbake says:

    Did anyone else hear that Brian Fuentes could get traded to the Yankees? If this happens who closes in Colorado?

  95. Zebo says:

    Has anyone followed Carlos Gonzalez in the minors? He looks like he has a ton of power, and he is doing well so far. Can he give me power numbers for a month while Ortiz is out?

  96. Grey

    Grey says:

    @wakeNbake: I think that trade might just be the NY media working overtime, but if it happens I’d think Buchholz moves in.

    @Zebo: He’s absolutely worth a flier. He has great numbers in the minors and was highly touted prospect that went to the A’s in the Haren deal.

  97. Baron Von Vulturewins says:

    @RT: I think I’ll grab him and drop Laffey. Though I am very heavily leveraged in rookies right now, with Bruce and Longoria in my starting lineup. Also, it doesn’t help that Headley will get called up to play his home games in Death Valley.

    @wakeNbake: Bucholz.

  98. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @Grey: RE: HEADLEY… Jay Bruce was called up last Tuesday so the Reds could avoid paying him $10 million before they needed to. Headley played 8 games last season, so if he’s on a similar SUPER TWO timetable, the Padres will probably have to wait until at least this Thursday to call him up if they need him. I’m putting my money on him getting called up Friday.

  99. RT says:


    I thought Super2 date isn’t decided until after the season? Isn’t it an average?

  100. cockyphoenix says:

    @IowaCubs: I don’t understand this arbitration nonsense at all. Is there somewhere I can be directed with a clear description of the policy?

  101. RT says:

    @Baron Von Vulturewins:

    I hear ya bro. I have Bruce, McLouth and Hamilton. All high risk with very high reward. Fun, but scary. I’ve been holding Headley, hoping he gets hot and creates some trade interest. Smoltz and Carmona (my top two arms) are no longer my top two arms.

  102. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    Isringhausen was dropped last week in my NL Only league. We have a FAAB bidding system.

    What are the odds that Izzy S. Donefore?

  103. SaltyBiscuits says:

    @ IowaCubs

    He was dropped in my league as well. Wondering if he has more value than Todd Jones at this point (doubt it).

    Izzy? Thoughts?

  104. cockyphoenix says:

    @IowaCubs: nevermind, some Wikipedia and MLBPA gave me an idea. I’d say 99%. Franklin is doing fine and Pérez is a hiccup away from perfect.

  105. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @cockyphoenix: go to mlb4u.com(slash)wiki/index.php/Arbitration

    (i had to write it that way so that this commenting system doesn’t recognize it as spam)

    “Player ranks in the top 17% (rounded to the nearest whole number) in total service in the class of Players who have at least two but less than three years of Major League service, however accumulated, but with at least 86 days of service accumulated during the immediately preceding season. In 2005-2006, players with between 2 years, 135 days and 3 years of service were granted this status. The super-two cutoff usually falls somewhere between 2.125 and 2.135 years of service and has reportedly never been less than 2.120. (If two or more Players are tied in ranking, ties are broken consecutively based on the number of days of service accumulated in each of the immediately preceding seasons. If the Players remain tied, the final tie breaker will be by lottery.) (Such a player is known as Super-Two player)”

  106. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @SaltyBiscuits: I’m going to bid a few dollars on Izzy anyway just in case. I’m desparate for saves and barely clinging on to 1st place.

  107. Grey

    Grey says:

    @IowaCubs: I’d definitely bid on Izzy. LaRussa’s either too drunk or too loyal to not give him a chance.

    :re: URLs — You’d be surprised at how many schmohawks try and spam the comments with “Guys, you should check out these cheap Braves tickets (LINK). Now you can see PABST in person.”

  108. Chase says:

    Jay Bruce and David Murphy vs. Carl Crawford…and the winner is?

    5×5, 8 team, h2h

  109. Zebo says:

    drop S. Casilla and Ben Fran for Carlos Gonzo and Chase Headley?

  110. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @Zebo: I have the same Ben Francisco question with Chase Headley. Is Ben worth dropping?

  111. Zebo says:

    the thing with Ben Fran is, he is a schmohawk that is producing and batting 3rd for CLE, while we don’t know nothing about Chase Headley other than he could be somewhere between Eva Longoria and Jay Bruce, for the short term.

  112. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @Zebo: The only real thing that impresses me about Headley is that he has 3b eligibility. Adding him would allow me to move one of my 3b guys.

  113. Zebo says:

    thats nice, but I have David Wright, and no one will give me fair value for him.

  114. Zebo says:

    thats nice, but I have David Wright, and no one will give me fair value for him. So you like Ben Fran better than Headley in a vacuum?

  115. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Chase: Crawford.

    @IowaCubs: @Zebo: Francisco is currently hitting high in the Indians order. Headley should be up shortly with the Padres, but he’s not now. If you need someone right now, go Francisco. If you can stash someone, stash Headley.

  116. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @Zebo: I’m having the same problem moving Miguel Cabrera. I think the best I can do in my league is Dan Haren. I’ve already had Grady, C. Lee and Rios shot down for him. I don’t get it.

    I really have no way to guage them based on their minor league stats, though Headly is more highly regarded. I’d say that Ben has the chance to steal 12-15 bases and hit 12-15 HR if he gets as many at bats as he will if he’s batting 2nd. I really don’t understand the draw to Headley, especially if he’s batting at PETCO. To me, his minor league stats seem like a switch hitting version of Matt Murton who is 3B eligible.

  117. JR says:


    What makes you believe that Headley is not just another Bowden Fluffer?

  118. Zebo says:

    @Grey: I know your rule about always starting your SP, but with the way Harang has looked of late, and the red hot Phillies, would you start Harang tonight? I know with my luck, if I sit him, he will pitch complete game with 10 Ks and 1 ER; if I start him, he will be chased in the 4th giving up 7 ER.

    @IowaCubs: no long ago, as Braun has started to heat up (as in batting well for 5 straight games), the dude who owns M Cab traded him for Braun, essentially a one for one, with others not worth mentioning. I think you just have to pick the owner with the right personality. Also, M Cab is very low right now. Maybe you can ask for Garret Atkins?

  119. wakeNbake says:

    Is Santiago Casilla worth an immediate add now that he says hes a week away from returning?

  120. wakeNbake says:

    some other middle relievers im looking at are Brandon Morrow, Alex Hinshaw and Heath Bell…..who should I be looking to add.

  121. Grey

    Grey says:

    @JR: He lacks Bowden Fluffer tools. He can’t run or field (his new position). But the things he can do, he does very well (at least in the minors). Any guys you get off waivers may be nothing or they may be the thing that wins your championship. He could be a prize or a dud. You need to take fliers for the promise.

  122. peter says:

    @wakeNbake: I guess it depends on league format, but I’d say nah, you don’t need to pick him up immediately. Since he’s not going right into a closers role, I’m going to watch and see how he looks, first. Last year he was similarly lights-out for his first month, then his ERA went up about 4 full pts.

  123. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Zebo: I have Harang on a lot of teams. I’m starting him. I am concerned though. Hopefully he’s put that long relief stint behind him and he can K some Phils.

    @wakeNbake: Bell, Morrow, Hinshaw… I’d wait on Casilla. MRs are a dime a dozen. You don’t want to mess with a MR that has had arm trouble.

  124. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @Zebo: Atkins I appreciate, but I’m in 2nd place in my money league, and I can’t afford to sell low like that. I think the best option is probably just to hold on to him until he shows more life at the plate.

  125. @IowaCubs: Agreed. I wouldn’t trade Miggy for Atkins. Perhaps if you added two more players of which you got the better end – e.g., Miggy and Hudson for Atkins and Haren.

  126. Steve says:

    @Rudy Gamble:
    You need to add me to that Middle Relievers Anonymous thing. Brocail is owned and I picked up Downs (on Grey’s recommendation) a few weeks ago and he’s been great.
    As I want someone who is SP-eligible (I already have Bell, Broxton, Perez and Mike Gonzalez + closers for the other spots – it’s a Holds league), I think I will go for Kuo.
    My pitching is relievers-only and means I don’t log many innings each week.
    So every scoreless inning (and Kuo gets through plenty of those) can make big difference to ERA and WHIP. He might get me the odd win too, even if there won’t be many Holds.
    Make sense?

  127. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:

    @rudygamble: Ehh… I just sold low on him to complete my outfield with Carlos Lee. I know it’s a trade that I could regret, but I’m in second place and can afford to take such a risk.

  128. SaltyBiscuits says:


    So anyway,

    I basically sent feelers out to every team in my league concerning Vladdy and only one had interest. On that one team, the only SP I would want to acquire/the person would trade is Tim Hudson.

    Do I stash Vlad (I have 4 solid outfielders, can afford to trade vlad) and wait for his trade value to go up?

    Or do I pull trigger for Hudson seeing as nobody else in out league has interest.

  129. RT says:


    I’d stash. His value today is not great because of the jammed knee. He’ll go on a streak soon enough and people will be salivating over Vladdy again.

  130. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: Kuo’s solid.

    @SaltyBiscuits: Hudson left his last start with leg problems. Don’t trade for him right now.

  131. @IowaCubs: Miggy for El Caballo’s not bad at all – espec. if you need OF over 1B/3B.

  132. BigFatHippo says:


    Choose your top 5 picks in Razzball All-Stars midseason.

    I’m goin
    2-Adam Kennedy
    3-Cesar Izturis
    4-Mark Prior
    5-Joe Schlabotnick

    Think I got a shot?

    Seriously though, rank the top 5 please.

  133. nick says:

    Hey are any of these guys worth a pick-up off waivers/free agents:

    Aaron Rowand, Johnny Damon, Shane Victorino ?

    Current OF’s : Lee, Markakis, Quentin, Burrell, C. Young…& Votto (eligible for OF but hes at 1st for me)

  134. Grey

    Grey says:

    @BigFatHippo: Need more innings than Gagne and Prior. I have Izturis on my team, he’s been pretty invaluable.

    For the top five, ask Rudy. He’s doing a post for this weekend regarding this.

  135. Grey

    Grey says:

    @nick: Damon and Victorino shouldn’t be on any league’s waiver wire, but you can’t manage for others. Your current OF is fine.

  136. nick says:

    well its only 8 teams so not deep at all

  137. BigFatHippo says:

    Didn’t know Rudy was active right now, didn’t see his mugshot.

    OK Rudy, you the man. This weekend huh?

    Can’t wait to read it.

  138. Grey

    Grey says:

    @nick: Oh, gotcha. Well, your team’s OF is fine anyway.

  139. Chase says:

    is the bruce murphy for crawford trade fair?

  140. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Chase: Comment 117 — Yeah, I’d want Crawford.

  141. Steve says:

    Hucking fell – Crawford not starting today so subbed Bourn in. Why did I bother? Throw in Howard and I’m 1-12 so far today.

  142. BigFatHippo says:

    @Grey or Rudy

    Hamels pitching against Reds Thursday.

    Check out his day night splits. I’m only 13 innings over, would you consider sitting him a start?

  143. BigFatHippo says:

    Noon start I might add. Forgot

  144. Grey

    Grey says:

    @BigFatHippo: Yeah, his day numbers are really poor. I tend to start my big guys, but I could understand if you didn’t.

  145. BigFatHippo says:

    Think I will sit him Grey, borderline stupid I know.

    But…. 10 team roto, 7×7

    Have to throw Webb, Kazmir, Billingsley, Shields Thursday and Fri.

    Currently sporting a 10 in Ks, 10 in W, 10 ERA, 10 WHIP. Don’t wanna rock the boat with his potential 3rd bad outing.

  146. Grey

    Grey says:

    @BigFatHippo: Not stupid, might be playing it overly safe, but it’s within reason.

    Webb, Kaz, Bills and Shields are all really solid, so you should be fine.

  147. BigFatHippo says:

    Love those guys.

    Keeper league, since it seems to be just you and me gotta brag a little.

    300 sal cap, kept Bills for 5, Shields for 5, Webb for 18 and Hamels for 15. Drafted Kaz for 20 and stacked my hitters and closers. No other SP drafted.

    Currently 10 in Saves also, 10 in Avg, 10 OBP, 10 hitters Ks, 8 SB, 9 R, 8 HR.

    Sporting a 24 pt lead in a league I’ve played for 7 years with different winner every year. Never won it, yet.

    You guys have had A LOT to do with that, kudos to Razzball and all the commenters.

    Wish I could get this excited about work.

  148. RT says:

    The Plot thickens… A day after my Ichiro – Harden/Eveland deal gets vetoed, somebody offers me (yes, offers me) Webb… I have never experienced this in 4 years. I thought it was a joke. I almost rejected it!!! No kidding.

  149. Endless Summer says:

    @BigFatHippo: Hamels lived through a few horrid starts and was a stud in the second half last year. Better now than later, right? I think Charlie Manuel is an idiot, and one of the worst managers in baseball. They were coasting against Atlanta and were up 5-0 around the 4th or 5th inning. Instead of letting Hamels go 100-110 pitches max, he lets him throw a CG on 120 pitches. He did follow up with a good start against the Nats, and has 2 bad starts since then.

    Utley (29), Howard (28), and Rollins (29) are all close to 30. I probably read waaaaay too much into this, but Hamels is already shown he is injury-prone, and it looks like they are pushing him hard to win now. He’s like a unicorn, nymphomaniac brasilian models, or the apple in the garden of eden. Very tempting, but my head says to worry about a young pitcher with back problems and a heavy workload.

    Howard (again) and Hamels are both arbitration-eligible this coming offseason. I’m glad I won’t have to sign the checks for next year’s Phillies team. Cust ‘kayin.

  150. Endless Summer says:

    @RT: lol RT. What did you have to give up for Webb?

    Soriano got the save tonight? Still a mess/nic cage hawkhair in the Atlanta bullpen?

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