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Writing these posts where I look at the differences between my 2013 fantasy baseball rankings and ESPN’s fantasy baseball rankings gives me severe agita, but I want to be calm.  I don’t want an ulcer.  So, for this post, I put on the Dixie Chicks’s cover of Landslide… Children get older, I’m getting older too… Unfortunately, I hunt and peck on my keyboard and it took me that entire song to type up the first sentence of this paragraph and iTunes shuffled to N.W.A.  Right about now, N.W.A. court is in full effect.

“Judge Grey presiding in the case of Razzball vs. ESPN.”

“Prosecuting attorneys are MC Grey, Ice Grey and Eazy-mother*******-Grey!”

“Order, order, order… Ice Grey, take the mother******** stand.  Do you swear the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help your stupid ass?”

“You goddamn right!”

“Well, won’t you tell everybody what the eff you gotta say?”

F ESPN!  They have the authority to kill position scarcity!  Tulowitzki will have to retire for five years before they lower his preseason ranking.  I already went over my Buster Posey overrated post; Yadier Molina is silly high at 49 overall; Hanley’s above where I have him; Joe Mauer’s about 30 spots higher than I’ve ranked him.  You have to go all the way to Wilin Rosario at 185 on ESPN’s rankings to find a catcher I have higher.  Of course, they’re down on Rosario.  He’s a young catcher in a great park and he could hit 30 homers.  Is there a Rosetta Stone to understand what they’re talking about?  Another catcher they have much lower than me?  Salvador Perez… I think I’ve finally figured this out.  Take guys that actually have upside and bury them, take guys that peaked last year and overrate them.  Victor Martinez must’ve really thrown them for a loop.  “He didn’t play last year, so I say we bury him.”  “But he was good the year before.”  “How about we just put him in the middle somewhere and hope no one sees him?  In fact, we can rank him using invisible ink!”  “Is there ink with computers?”  “Hold on, I’ll call, IT.”  Yo, Grey, I got something to say.  F ESPN!

“MC Grey, will you please give your testimony to the jury about these effed up rankings?”

F ESPN!  Drop your bat, and Grey’s gonna blast!   Pitching is the same nonsense.  Sale, Cueto, Clayton Kershaw, Jered Weaver and Roy Halladay are too high; Scherzer, Greinke, and about 30 other pitchers too low.  Is anything considered below the surface with their peripherals?  Sale threw too many innings, Cueto was lucky, Kershaw has a Mama-from-Mama’s-Family hip, Weaver is throwing frisbees he’s lost so much speed, Scherzer had the 25th best starter year in 2012, according to ESPN(!), and they’re expecting him to get better (according to their projections) and they lowered his ranking for this year.  WHAT?!  I wish I could make the font on that WHAT even bigger because I think they’re smoking narcotics.  I love Matt Harvey.  I planned on drafting him everywhere.  Then they go and put him 44th overall for all pitchers?  C’mon!  Why you gotta start making sense now?  Get off my jock!  And, while you’re at it, get off Rudy’s jock too.

“Easy-Grey, won’t you step up to the stand and tell the commenters how you feel about this bullsh*t?”

F ESPN!  Cause ESPN always got something stupid to say!  Paul Goldschmidt is ranked 73rd overall.  By their own admission, he was ranked 55th overall at the end of last year and they projected him to hit 6 more homers this year with more runs and RBIs.  I guess a few less steals and a slightly lower average dropped this 25-year-old that plays in a hitters’ park.  You try to make sense of that and you’ll be muttering to yourself walking around in a potato sack.  I have him 19th overall and Rudy has him 21st overall for 15 team leagues.  You know when ESPN will have AuShizz ranked in the top 20?  Next year.  Adam Jones they projected for a 29 homer, 15 steal season with a .287 average.  That sound like a 2nd round guy to you?  Yeah, me too, that’s why I ranked him in the 2nd round.  ESPN, on the other hand, ranked him 34th.  Makes sense?  No, of course it doesn’t.   That’s all right, I’ll happily draft them in all of my leagues and… While I’m driving off laughing this is what I’ll say… F ESPN!

Now on the less-gangsta tip, here’s a chart of the biggest values from ESPN to me (Thank you!) and the players that ESPN overrates (No thank you!):

THANK YOU

Player Grey’s Ranking ESPN’s Ranking Overall Difference
Overall Position Ranking Overall Position Ranking
Adam Jones 13 7 34 11 21
Paul Goldschmidt 19 4 73 10 54
Adrian Gonzalez 20 5 42 7 22
Ryan Zimmerman 26 5 52 7 26
Shin-Soo Choo 35 14 79 25 44
Pablo Sandoval 43 7 81 10 38
Desmond Jennings 49 18 69 23 20
Ike Davis 60 9 97 14 37
Matt Moore 66 16 87 24 21
Jake Peavy 89 26 120 35 31
Anthony Rizzo 91 14 110 16 19
Chris Davis 96 15 169 22 73
Jon Lester 99 29 138 39 39
Jeff Samardzija 100 30 144 41 44
Josh Rutledge 101 10 248 20 147
Todd Frazier 103 17 174 23 71
Ryan Howard 105 19 147 19 42
Salvador Perez 110 5 203 10 93
Hyun-Jin Ryu 111 31 300+ 89 N/A
Emilio Bonifacio 116 10 246 N/A 130
Dan Uggla 122 15 171 14 49
Norichika Aoki 130 39 214 55 84
Dexter Fowler 131 40 178 46 47
Wilin Rosario 138 7 185 9 47
Mike Olt 205 37 300+ N/A N/A

NO THANK YOU

Player Grey’s Ranking ESPN’s Ranking Overall Difference
Overall Position Ranking Overall Position Ranking
Troy Tulowitzki 22 1 11 1 11
Clayton Kershaw  40 4 14 2  26
Buster Posey 30 1 16 1 14
Billy Butler 59 8 38 6 21
Joe Mauer 93 4 66 4 27
Jered Weaver  80 18 39 9 41
Yadier Molina 179 12 49  2  130
Yu Darvish  86 23 56 14  30
Matt Wieters  92 3 57  3  35
Michael Bourn 125 34 59 20 66
R.A. Dickey 84  21 60  15 24
Jason Kipnis  119 12 62 6 57
Chris Sale 83 20 67 17 16
Johnny Cueto 97 27 68  18 29
Roy Halladay 98 28 76 21 22
Mark Teixeira 106 20 83  12 23
Fernando Rodney 199 14 98 7 101
Melky Cabrera 253 59 99 28 154
Carlos Gomez 192 51 104 29 88
Angel Pagan 251 57 116 32 135
Tim Lincecum 148 42 119 34 29
Lance Lynn 172 49 134 38 38
Jason Kubel 268 69 155 43 113
Marco Scutaro 233 21 184 15 49
Juan Pierre 358 91 272 66 86

327 Responses

  1. bossmanjunior says:
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    I can’t wait until Notorious B.I.Grey, Ceelo Grey, and Lil Grey tear apart the Yahoo rankings. F YAHOO!

    • MattTruss223 says:
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      @bossmanjunior: HA! I was hoping for more of a Method Grey / Greyface Killah / Ol’ Dirty Grey collab on the Yahoo! rankings…

      • ParrotheadFargo says:
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        @MattTruss223: +1 on Greyface Killer and RIP ODB, even Grey can’t touch dat.

      • steve says:
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        @MattTruss223: shimmy shimmy yah shimmy yeah shimmy Greeey..

    • prezii says:
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      @Grey: @bossmanjunior: Mac Grey?? No? No one not from the west would get it… But ill laugh alone… No big deal! “Mac Grey is da name!” “Anyday is a bad day for Mac Grey, when he aint got it,they ask why he act that way”

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Pimp my fantasy team!

        • prezii says:
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          @Grey: reading this was pure comedy i must admit… I was smiling the whole way thru. No gay shit…

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Ha… Thanks!

      • phildeez says:
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        @prezii: Thizz Dance. Original getting hyphy with it. R.I.P. Mac Dre.

  2. smokeTNT says:
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    Missed the draft for a MLB.com 12 team league, and it was autodrafted for me in the 5 spot. How did I fare? : (pitching is like football defenses apparently)

    Robinson Cano, David Wright, Adam Jones, Paul Goldschmidt, Pablo Sandoval, Wilin Rosario, Elvis Andrus, Melky Cabrera, Ben Revere, Oakland A’s staff, Omar Infante, Jonathan Lucroy, Alex Rodriguez, Torrii Hunter, Tyler Colvin, Everth Cabrera.

    Dropped A-Rod and Infante for Leonys Martin and the Rangers staff, other than thadt I admit I was pretty jacked after seeing my team and it looks like I got the Razzball approved discount on half my guys.

    • The next great razzball writer! says:
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      @smokeTNT: Whats going on smoke?. I’m no pert but I can say its solid, only players I wouldn’t want on your team are colvin, a rod and revere. Other then that, solid team, work needs to be done but all teams need work.

    • costaricanchata says:
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      @smokeTNT:

      is that for a 2 catcher league ?

      maybe trade andrus and a catcher for a power bat ??

  3. Brownie says:
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    I threw up in my mouth when I saw were ESPN ranks Jered Weaver. Thanks ESPN – that’s disgusting.

  4. jamiehov says:
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    their rankings have really gone to shit since Erin Andrews and Michelle Beadle left.

    Grey, quick question…
    I’m in a yahoo 10 team standard scoring league where we can keep one player at a cost of the pick in his projected rd. I have the three overall but of course Trout and Miggy are being kept and i’m anticipating Braun going 2. I can keep Mccutchen as my first rd pick or keep Kinsler as my third and if Dread Pirate goes three take Votto. Do i just keep Kinsler as my 3rd?

    Other keeper options:
    Harper or Bruce in the 4th
    Madbum in the 5th
    Gio in the 6th
    BUT… if i follow your pitching guide, i dont really need a pitcher from the Gio group so I’m not crazy about locking myself into one in the 5th or 6th

    THANKS! Your site makes my life so much better.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @jamiehov: I would think that would have the opposite reaction… McCutchen…

  5. Paul says:
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    I usually do well with the ESPN rankings. Last year I went with the Razzball rankings; and based on my draft spot, my first two picks were Evan Longoria and Justin Upton. You can pretty much guess how my season went…

    • Drew says:
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      @Paul: Upton and LonGo were ESPN’s 9th and 11th overall preseason ranked players last year. So…

    • Wilsonian says:
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      @Paul: Longo missed a ton of time and still hit 17 HRs. When he was healthy he was still the usual Longo. Upton still had a ton of hits and runs. His HRs, RBI, and SB were down, but he wasn’t completely useless. Oh, and I had both of them and won my league, so I wouldn’t blame the season on those guys…

    • Sherm says:
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      @Paul: I was in the same boat. I traded for Longoria and Upton in the offseason, and was really looking forward to gloating with Grey all through the year as we celebrated Grey’s correct predictions about both guys. I would agree with Grey’s drift that ESPN has got some strange rankings, but in today’s PED-less environment when anyone and everyone can tweak an oblique and not come back for weeks and months, preseason predictions have less and less value.

      This year my keepers are Pujols and Longoria; once more to the well, people. Just be nimble when everything blows up in your face.

      FWIW, I use Grey’s draft strategy in my mocks and according to ESPN, I will never come in higher than 7th in a 12-team league. That shows to me most obviously how Grey and ESPN differ.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Paul: Sad trombone

      • Sherm says:
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        @Grey: Just for kicks and giggles I did a mock today where I wanted to be especially faithful to Grey’s rankings. Like many mocks right now, it went to about half auto-draft after ten rounds, which meant that the other teams would have heavy ESPN bias. I got 15 of Grey’s top 130, including Fielder, Stanton, Sandoval, Bruce, Choo, Bumgarner, Scherzer, Samardzjia and others. I avoided top pitchers like Verlander and Kershaw, avoided top closers, and took all pitchers in my last three rounds, including upside guys like Matt Harvey, Marco Estrada, and Shelby Miller. ESPN’s projected results for my team? Dead last. According to the War Room? I exceeded 4 of 5 goals in offense (steals being 2 below the goal), and was either above or within a tiny fraction of 4 of 5 goals in pitching, with only saves being significantly below. So there you have it, folks. There IS a difference. FEEL the difference. Grey… Albright.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha…Nice… Crazy how the goals could be that different, but there ya go…

  6. Jordan73 says:
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    Guy in my league really wants Longoria from me. He’s offering Zimmerman plus additional considerations. Would you pursue this route, stand pat, or shift gears? He also has Jason Heyward and Bryce Harper, but I’m already pretty set at OF keeping Braun, McCutch, and Kemp.

    • KrazyCeltic says:
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      @Jordan73: I would definitely stand pat, as Longoria is still one of the top 3B when healthy… better than Zimmerman, who has even more health issues historically. What are the additional considerations along with Zimmerman, and do they fill an area of need?

      • Jordan73 says:
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        @KrazyCeltic: The additional considerations would end up being some of his budget for our draft, or possibly a player to be named later. Could probably just get budget considerations instead of a player back, and try to land Zimmerman, Sandoval, or Lawrie at the draft instead. I’m worried about Longoria’s injuries, as some players that get hamstring problems seem to fight them their whole career. Additionally, I like Washington’s lineup more than Tampa’s.

        Just gathering opinions and weighing options at this point, but this guy really wants Longoria, so I gotta explore the possibilities.

  7. 2 Giant rings says:
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    Hi Grey, you have Billy Hamilton down for some good numbers but you don’t have him in your top 400. Yea, Hamilton may not even make it up this year but even Brandon Crawford is draftable in a pool of 400.

    • Grey

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      @2 Giant rings: Eh, the last 50 or so players are the same with 50 or so players that aren’t on there… If you want to take a flyer on a guy that probably won’t play this year, go for it…

    • OaktownSteve says:
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      @2 Giant rings:

      Hamilton does have a path because Choo is not a natural CF and they don’t really have another obvious choice at CF. Any injuries or under performance from the Ludwick/Heisey platoon and he could make a move. Course that presumes he can hit his weight.

  8. Tigres says:
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    Which 3B-SS combo you prefer in OBP league: Beltre & Tulo or Longoria & Zobrist?

    What are Olt’s chances of making the MLB team out of spring training? If he heads north (or east? west? where do the Rangers train anyway?) with the team, getting him #205 could be a bargain.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Tigres: Will depend on Berkman (who’s already hurting)… Beltre…

  9. costaricanchata says:
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    nice post for anyone who plays in espn leagues .
    your rcl-ers must really being enjoying this .
    any plans to do a similar chart for yahoo-ers ?

    haha … rudy’s jock looks more like a bushy bush from the early 70′s !
    don’t tell me that he actually approved that link .

      • costaricanchata says:
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        @Grey:

        sweet !!

        (assuming that you mean a yahoo chart is coming out this monday ,
        and not that rudy approved that link last monday ) .

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yahoo is coming this Monday…

    • Steve says:
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      @costaricanchata: Can’t believe you play with too many guys who religiously follow the Yahoo rankings ;-) (which is really the only reason to look at a Grey v Yahoo comparison, cust kayin’)

      • costaricanchata says:
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        @Steve:

        have never seen a yahoo ranking .
        then again , espn’s rankings aren’t for me , either .

        my rankings are a combination of my own stupidity , Grey’s opinions ,
        and the pretty pictures over at mlb.com

  10. SwaggerJackers says:
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    I’ve done a couple mocks with ESPN this season. Adam Eaton is not ranked in the top 300. Dunn is also pretty low.

  11. Chuck Norris says:
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    Rudy’s jock = insane

  12. costaricanchata says:
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    am already hearing rumors that the tribe will flip bourn by the asb ,
    if they’re not in contention .
    ha … when has the tribe ever been in contention ?!!

    • Tony says:
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      @costaricanchata: 1920, 1948, 1994 could have won it all players strike, awesome, 1995 lost to the braves in the WS, 1996 lost to the orioles in the div series….1997 stupid edgar renteria got a hit off mesa with two outs to go or the Tribe wins the world series, that was their 3rd consecutive AL Central title for those counting….Lost in the 1998 ALCS to the yankees, 1999, made the playoffs, lost in the first round, first team to score 1000+ runs since the 1950 redsox, 2001 playoffs again, lost again, in 2007 lost to boston after going up 3-1 in the div series…….

      the tribes been very successful over the past 20 years…. they just haven’t been able to seal the deal, and no one wants to come play for cleveland, WE have to pay over the top to get guys like swish and bourn….. small market teams…. what can ya do? The tribe has made amazing deals to acquire nice young players (traded casey blake for carlos santana) and they received Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore AND brandon phillips for bartolo colon….. GO TRIBE, i’m 31 now i just want one championship before i die, is that too mcuh to ask…. so when you ask “when has the tribe ever been in contention”….. there’s your answer and my rant.

      • costaricanchata says:
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        @Tony:

        hey Tony ….
        was really just trying to piss off my buddy down in hollywood , fla … a lifelong
        tribe fan .

        nice historical rundown , though .

        i’ll tell you , what i tell him —> you’d look good in green and gold !!

  13. centerfieldballhawk says:
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    That post got my attention. Although the ESPN rankings may be bullshizz, knowing how to exploit them is key when playing in a home league that follows them like scripture. Similar to this exercise, I employ a spreadsheet and list all of the players that I’m targeting, followed by their ESPN and Razzball ranks. There are definitely some players that can be had at an enormous discount, as you have outlined above. Thanks for taking the time to enlighten us, Easy G.

  14. sanfran1966 says:
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    what combo, super size, ya like better?

    Braun, Han-Ram, Adam Jones

    or

    Miggy, Adam Jones, Jason Heyward

    • KrazyCeltic says:
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      @sanfran1966: I prefer Braun/Han-Ram/Jones. Han-Ram is still one of the top SS, which is more valuable to me than a 2nd OF in Heyward. Heyward should be a productive OF, but the 2nd OF spot is easier to fill with someone else than SS (plus Han-Ram should have 3B eligibility – bonus!)

      • sanfran1966 says:
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        @KrazyCeltic:

        I concur. I have the #1 pick in a league and that is what falls out in most mocks. Athough Upton and/ or Longoria fall at times…

  15. Fungazi says:
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    Think Kipnis is going to surprise you this year. I have him in a keeper and banking on the glass-is-half-full. Yes, his first half last year over 162 games would be 103-22-98-40-.277 and I take that any day of the week especially from a 2b.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Fungazi: Yeah, that 1st half last year doesn’t really jive with any of his previous seasons, looks like an outlier…

    • Drexel Hill Dragons says:
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      @Fungazi: Of course you would take that from your 2nd baseman, but your logic is flawed. It’s very easy to take a players great half and see what it would look like over a full year. Have you looked at his bad half and done the same exercise?
      He’ll most likely be somewhere in the middle.

      • Fungazi says:
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        @Drexel Hill Dragons: Maybe.. but I think it also had a lot to do with the team. Over his stretch of bad games (was decent the last few weeks of the season) Cleveland was 7-33 or something ridiculous. They just had no offense.

    • OaktownSteve says:
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      @Fungazi:

      I like Kipnis. He got a solid swing. His K/BB last year was good and in line with his career numbers. I think he’s takes another step forward with his power this year. The worry is that he’s being inflated based on outlier SB numbers last year. I think if he does make that step forward with his power he’s a solid 20/20 candidate last year. He reminds me a little of mid-career Utley.

  16. Piranhaman says:
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    hi, Grey.

    now i’m preparing to trade 2 for 1.

    2 are Kendrys Morales + Mike Minor,

    1 is a field player who has got decent slam & legs. (any position.)

    what (level)can i get? need some advice from you :)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Piranhaman: Desmond Jennings would be nice… Carlos Gomez-level would be more realistic…

  17. Jim Holzgen says:
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    I can’t believe you didn’t mention Estrada!

  18. Cole says:
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    Sorry to hear about Matt Harvey, Mr. Easy Muther******* Grey. Just have to take the hooptie over to the bodega and see whats up with Wily Peralta’s fine ass.

  19. Dingo says:
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    That. Was Awesome

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Dingo: Thjanks!

  20. Max says:
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    Actually, the only rankings I agree are mine!! I mean, I can see players under and overrated in both rankings (Grey and ESPN). I would’t pick Jones, Goldy, Ike (60? Really?) or Peavy according Grey but I like the Pandoval, Choo and A-Gon rankings, amongst others. I appreciate expert rankings as a starting point, but in the end I’ll follow mine.

    • AJA says:
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      @Max: You seem to prefer guys who have had top fantasy seasons and don’t like guys who have potential but have yet to establish themselves as valuable contributors. That’s not necessarily a bad thing but you need to be careful not to be drafting guys purely for name value (such as A-Gon) and missing on guys going a little later who have a good chance to outperform the name guys (such as Gold or Ike Davis).

      How’s that for unsolicited advice?

      • OaktownSteve says:
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        @AJA:

        Adam Jones had a career year in every category and by quite a bit. How much more upside do you think he’s got?

        • Big Magoo says:
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          @OaktownSteve: There’s nothing wrong with holding steady as a .285/30/15 guy. While his K-rate and BB-rate have remained steady, he’s shown an uptick in power (.442/.465/.504 slg%; 19/25/32 HRs) and has progressively run more (7/12/16 SBs) over the last three years. In his age-27 year and playing half his games in Camden Yards, I don’t see him providing anything less than second-round value, barring injury.

        • AJA says:
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          @OaktownSteve:
          I personally wouldn’t go near Adam Jones in the 2nd round (so I’m agreeing with Max above) only because I am weary of Jones’ 2nd half of last year being more indicative of his potential than his 1st half, which is the clear outlier when compared to his career bests. In particular, his line from May where he hit 10 homers drove in 22 runs and OPS’d close to 1.000 is a clear outlier. His production in all other months are similar to his monthly lines from 2011 (good month 6 homers, OPS around .850, bad month 2 homers OPS around .680). Not to say that he can’t go on a similar hot streak or just generally improve, I just wouldn’t bet a 2nd round pick on it.

  21. PopsToo says:
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    In espn top 300 for points league they have Teixeira ranked 7th firstbaseman and he is their 22nd pick. That was enough to realize I wasted ink and paper printing it.

    NO THANK YOU

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @PopsToo: There ya go… Is that Tyler Skaggs’ photo?

    • centerfieldballhawk says:
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      @PopsToo: Changed my user handle, Pops. You can drop the “too” if you’d like

  22. Sky

    Sky says:
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    Rudy needs a bit of a trim down there. With a weed-whacker

    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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      @Sky: hell’s no, that is some man bush, which makes him a real man, Rudy don’t do no Metro. It does look like his junk was a back up singer from the stylistics video posted yesterday.

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        Didn’t catch the vid and that is man bramble. I’m simply trying to help him keep the crabs to a minimum. We all know chicks dig fantasy baseball experts.

          • Sky

            Sky says:
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            And today’s kids have One Direction. I weep for this world.

            • Jack Full of Hate says:
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              @Sky: the messed up thing is these kids look at that as funny or ironic, which it isn’t they just misuse the word. We like it because its bad motherFing kicking ass awesome. Those dudes knew how to perform with skills that you can’t fake in the studio like todays pho-artists. They are not really artists anymore but marketing mechanisms that exist only to make others more money than the artists themselves.

              • Sky

                Sky says:
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                The cool thing I will say nowadays from a musician perspective is, recording is dirt cheap so good artists can actually record their own stuff and get themselves out there on their own. Here’s one of my faves I shared with Grey a while back called Walk Off The Earth. Found them on youtube and have been hooked ever since. Great musicians:

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKg2vPaLVA0

                Anyone who can make an LMFAO song sound like there’s any musical worth to it goes to the top of the charts for me.

                • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                  @Sky: true. Ill check out the clip. Im talking more about radio play. Which is nothing new just getting worse and worse. I listen to mostly podcasts in the car.

                  Hey did you see your mc sky lyrics yet. I wrote them wearing pants around my ankles

                  • Sky

                    Sky says:
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                    Ha, you even snuck in the double check reference! I’m honored…and slightly moist in panty region.

                    Agree about the radio. Half the stuff I ever hear is the cover on youtube now before I actually hear the song. WOTE does ‘Cheers (Drink to that)’ by Rihanna. Heard theirs first. Then randomly heard her on the radio. Sucked. Any new music I hear is usually on youtube or from a friend. Only listen to the radio when I’m on a long car ride and I’ve forgotten my ipod set up.

                    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                      @Sky: the boxers or briefs question gets tossed out now. You’re a panty MAN! Its such a delicate cradle

              • JoeC says:
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                @Jack Full of Hate: But at least the pho-artists are delicious!

        • Jack Full of Hate says:
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          @Grey: manscaping, pink polos and zumba….three things a man should not do

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Rudy knows this…

            • Jack Full of Hate says:
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              @Grey: he lives it!

        • JoeC says:
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          @Grey: Maybe, but if you want to even get near a non-cougar (hah!), you’ve at least got to take care of your business with a trim. That’s just the way it is now-a-days.

          And really, it’s the nice thing to do if you don’t expect it to be a jungle down there when you make the dive.

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            To each his own, I like my shizz like I’m in one of those weird original Woodstock films…

    • Big Magoo says:
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      @Sky: Did anyone ever tell you that your gravatar looks like a young Mike Shanahan? Stay away from my rbs you bastard!

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        My friends call me Shanahanigans Jr.

  23. marti says:
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    Long winded question sorry!

    10 team N/L auction league 260 cap. We also draft one american league pitcher and hitter prior to auction in snake draft random pick.

    My keepers are strasburg 18, goldie 11, rosario 6, gyorko 6 marte 6 ruf 6 bruce 31. I can keep 5 of those and you can keep as long as you want but they go up by 5 each year.

    I drew pick 7 in A/L snake draft. I am assuming miggy,trout,pujols, cano and fielder are gone. What do you think about taking best pitcher here either verlander or price and on way back taking either jones, longoria, bautista, kinsler, hamilton or beltre.

    What 5 of my keepers would you keep. Would you keep ruf or gyorko at 6 over bruce at 31 if they win the everyday job.

    Would you trade strasberg 18 for rizzo 14 and smjardzia at 6.

    If I get verlander and keep strasberg, I was also thinking about spending mayber 12 more dollars total and really concentrate on hitting taking a bunch of middle relievers instead of crappy back end starters in the N/L and spending about 220 to 230 on hitting. kind of a stars and scrubs approach. If I got adam jones, I would target zimm, a gon, choo and b j upton and then a bunch of low end other starters. Your thoughts.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @marti: I wouldn’t trade Strasburg and Rizzo for Samardzija… Ruf’s nothing… Wouldn’t keep Gyorko… Take bats don’t take a Verlander or Price…

  24. Chuck Norris says:
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    The same is true for pt. shares players….if you average yours and @Rudy ‘s rankings and compare to ESPN you get the following overall differences for players that ESPN has ranked too low:

    Paul Goldschmidt 48
    Adam Jones 11
    Josh Rutledge 156
    Aroldis Chapman 11
    Max Scherzer 26
    Hunter Pence 50
    Jon Lester 27
    Rickie Weeks 26
    Starling Marte 156
    A.J. Burnett 70
    Tom Wilhelmsen 86
    Jesus Montero 65
    Jeff Samardzija 20
    Homer Bailey 16
    Mike Minor 28
    Todd Frazier 36
    Mike Fiers 104
    Marco Estrada 40
    Glen Perkins 40
    Nick Markakis 59
    Hyun-Jin Ryu 143
    Justin Morneau 33
    Jean Segura 78
    Adam Dunn 41
    Brandon Belt 26
    Dillon Gee 66
    J.P. Arencibia 63
    Denard Span 48
    Ryan Doumit 34
    Alex Cobb 44
    Felix Doubront 39

    You have to thank ESPN for their terrible rankings…being able to wait on SS to land Rutledge so late is such a benefit while drafting….same goes with 3b Frasier, SP Ryu, OF Aoki….also, Starling Marte is a steal late.

  25. Don Drapper says:
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    Grey – good blog on deltas between Razz and ESPN ranking (similar analysis vs Yahoo, CBS?).

    BTW Todd Zola wrote an interesting article on relative value/ranking and when it really means something. Sort of agree with his overall point (eg, are your Rizzo and Linc differences really that great).
    http://mastersball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2441:a-revolutionary-look-at-draft-theory-and-perceived-value&catid=957:chance-favors-the-prepared-mind&Itemid=70

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Don Drapper: I’ll have Yahoo’s Monday… Thanks for sharing!

  26. BrittanyMurphyWormFood says:
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    Great stuff, as always. Did I miss any news about when the podcasts will start up again? I miss Grey’s uncontrollable giggle-fests.

  27. DecisionTime says:
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    Grey….need 2 keepers. Who would you keep out of Choo, Lawrie or Trumbo?

  28. Wilsonian says:
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    Very well played, sir, very well played.

    In a franchise keeper (16 Teams, H2H) where we have 5 guys for the long haul, who you keeping of this bunch:

    Stanton – f’ing obviously
    A.Jones – yessir
    Price – hate keeping pitchers, but I hear he’s good
    Glass Tulo – can he play more than 120 games?
    Moore – 1st half of 2012 or 2nd half of 2012 Moore?
    Lawrie – WTF happened to this dude? Too much #yabuddy-ing?
    Kipnis – hear he makes a great motzah ball soup

    Stats: H, R, HR, RBI, SB, AVG, OB+SLUG, W, L, SV, Ks, ERA, WHIP, Ks/9

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Wilsonian: Thanks! Stanton, Jones, Price, Tulo, Lawrie… Ha re: Kipnis…

  29. Jugde Gray: You should pick up the Sporting News Magazine and see their top 300 … It is a jaw dropper… Makes so little sense… It is like it is for another season or something…

    To be fair, this is a tough year for MLB player rankings/selections… The SP lists are quite different everywhere I’ve looked…. Catching is all over the board… Other positions are not that much better either… I believe, this supports the first sentence…

    This general disagreement does reflect the changing nature of MLB IMO…

    I think, you are now seeing or talking about what we managers who have not been able to up load your lists are up against when drafting against managers who have been able to upload your lists… It will be strange… Who’s there… Who’ not…

    ESPN’s list will be a double edged sword though to some degree… These lists tend to drive a draft regardless of what you trying to achieve. – human nature… If a name is at the top list, it will draw attention …. Players taken will warp manager’s plans where the 2 ranking systems are used in leagues simultaneously…

    On top of the list itself , ESPN’s system/draft page is not working very well… It will be interesting at best… A horror at worst….

    ESPN’s editing tool for their list is glacial at best and has its own mind… Sometimes taking your player off the page into the 4000 range that takes a dozen “add more players” boots to get to… Near worthless, the 2 times I have messed with it… It would take 8 hours to complete – if not more… They need to have a “number fill-in” option or a “cut and paste” option as their “drag and drop” hardly works for more than a few positions away and as mentioned above can make players “go away”… I will try it one more time before I give up..

    I do wish you would contact ESPN about it…. They will never listen to me.. They might listen to Judge Gray though…

    In fact, I was surprised I could get onto ESPN at all – after, I had contacted them a few years back regarding a issue I was having with their site – I had my puter video camera up and running when talking to them… The fella asked me if I was in the nude??? I told him, yes… The connection was closed immeadiatly … And for the next couple years, all I got was when logging on to ESPN was a boxed message that my IP address was not allowed on their pages… Assholes!!!

    E S T R A D A !!!!!! E S T R A D A !!!!!! E S T R A D A !!!!!! E S T R A D A !!!!!!

    • VinWins

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      @T Moore: I think the ESPN pre-ranking is great. I’ve only had a player sent to the end when I clicked on the “Move to bottom” button. Plus, you can add a search (Click “Show Player Search”) which stays on the screen as you scroll. Start typing in a last name and it will show you options which you can easily move into position in your list.

      • @VinWins:

        Vin: I try it again… thanks… Hope, you are right..

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @T Moore: Honestly, didn’t know there was still a Sporting News… They hung up on you because you were in the nude? Geez! At Yahoo, you have to be at the nude… All of these rules, so confusing… E S T R A D A !!!!!!

  30. Jack Full of Hate says:
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    havent read the srticle yet but am watching worst cooks right now. Is this all fake? whats with the audition? I can make something that tastes bad and pretend to have no skills. I need $25,000!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jack Full of Hate: Yeah, I think it’s totally phony, but Carla is my new favorite person in the world… I just want to hang out with her and hear her talk nonsense…

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Grey: is that the crazy black lady from long beach?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, she’s crazy in the best of ways… I wanna hang out with her…

  31. GTS says:
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    Which side would you prefer? Fielder ($34)/Lawrie ($4) or Upton ($23)/Rizzo ($1)? 10 team H2H mixed 6×5 (+OPS) league.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @GTS: Upton?

      • GTS says:
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        @Grey: JUP not bossman sorry

      • GTS says:
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        @Grey: I already have Longoria at 3B and this guy LOVES Lawrie so I thought he might go for it. Fielder is so good but borderline too expensive to keep so I was trying to save some auction bucks.

  32. Drexel Hill Dragons says:
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    Would you believe that despite not playing MLB since 2001, that the Mets will be paying Bobby Bonilla $1.2 Million for the next 23 years?! He’s also still being paid by the Orioles $500,000 until 2015 and has a position with MLB that pays him $200,000 a year as a “special assistant”.
    Bobby Bo should teach a course for how players can set themselves up for riches beyond retirement. Crazy!

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2011-05-16/mets-will-be-paying-bobby-bonilla-for-next-25-years

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Drexel Hill Dragons: Yeah, I heard that before… Surprised Bobby Bo wasn’t at the courthouse when Madoff was going to trial, booing…

    • JoeC says:
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      @Drexel Hill Dragons: What a ridiculous franchise. They should be penalized by having one letter replaced in their team name… Ladies and gentlemen (and Razzballers!), I give you the 2013 New York Mehs!

  33. Matt says:
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    These are the posts that keep me coming back to this website.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks!

  34. D Rich says:
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    Hyun Jin-Ryu- I have a chance to take him in my amateur draft..over say carlos correa, skaggs, and few others. I like to get you young prospects with my 3 amateur picks but should i take Hyun Jin-Ryu? You have him ranked right behind Samrdjza so it sounds like it would be huge value for this season. what do you think his k’s/per 9 will be..thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d go with Skaggs in a keeper or dynasty setting…

  35. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:
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    You should send this off to Berry to see if he’d be happy to do another interview with Razzball.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I think we’re donezo…

  36. Jack Full of Hate says:
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    I’m bored and inspired…

    Right about now Razzball court is in full effect.
    Judge Grey presiding in the case of Razzball vs. ESPN
    Prosecuting attorneys are MC Grey, Ice Grey and Eazy-mother*******-Grey!”
    “Order, order, order… Ice Grey, take the mother******** stand. Do you swear the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help your stupid ass?”
    “You goddamn right!”
    “Well, won’t you tell everybody what the eff you gotta say?”

    F tha E$PN
    Comin straight from the couch
    Young fantasy baseballer got it bad cuz I’m down
    With the razzball, so the evil four letter think
    They have the authority to kill a minority’s team.

    F that shzz, cuz I ain’t tha one
    For a punk muthaFer with a tie and a network
    To be beatin on, and thrown in last place
    We could go toe to toe in a head to head league

    F-in with me cuz I’m a dope fantasy baseballer
    With a little bit of goldschimdt, SAGNOF and Frazier
    Searchin my computer, lookin for my spreadsheet
    Thinkin every player is sold on Tulo

    You’d rather see me in the pen
    Then me and Lorenzo Cain-o in the 18th round-o
    Beat tha E$PN outta shape
    And when I’m finished, bring the yellow tape
    To tape off the scene of the slaughter
    Still can’t swallow my beer and nachos.

    I don’t know if they dumb or what
    Search a FBBer down and thinking he dumb
    And on the other hand, without a network they can’t get none
    But don’t let it be a Berry and a Karabell
    Cuz they slam ya down to last place
    With all that bad advice no critics to drop them

    Grey will swarm
    On any muthaFer in a suit uniform
    Just cuz I’m from the RCL, punk E$PN are afraid of me
    A young FBBer on a warpath
    And when I’m finished, it’s gonna be a bloodbath
    Of networks dying on the net
    Yo Rudy, I got somethin to say

    F the E$PN (4X)

    M. C. SKY, will you please give your testimony to the jury about this F’d up incident.>

    F tha E$PN and Sky said it with authority
    because the FBBers on the street is a majority.
    A gang, is with whoever I’m stepping
    and the motherF-ing weapon
    is kept in a file, for the so-called law
    wishin’ Sky was a FBBer that they never saw

    Dum-a-dum dum-a-dum start blarrin behind me
    But they’re scared of a FBBer so they discredit my skills
    But that shizz don’t work, I just laugh
    Because it gives em a hint not to step in my head

    To the E$PN I’m sayin f u you suck
    Telling me Jones aint worth my 2nd pick
    Pullin out a silly rank, that makes no sense
    With a fake ass punk who says he knows how to project

    But take off the suit so we can see what’s up
    And we’ll go at it punk, Then we’ll see what’s up.

    Make ya think I’m a kick your ass
    But drop your bad articles, and Sky’d going to double check
    I’m sneaky as F when it comes to the draft
    But I’m going to make you wish you should have stayed in your basement.

    Smoke any muthaFer that sweats me
    Or any A-hole that threatens me
    I’m a sniper with a hell of a sleeper post
    Takin out a roto junkie that believes the four letter

    The muthaFin villian that’s mad
    With potential to get bad as Miggy
    So I’m a turn it around
    Write on my blog, yo, and this is the sound of my keyboard
    Ya, somethin like that, but it all depends on the size of the draft

    Takin out E$PN would make my day
    But a FBBer like Sky don’t give a F to say

    F the E$PN (4X)

    E$PN, open now. We have a warrant for Eazy-Grey’s arrest.
    Get down and put your hands up where I can see em.
    Just shut the F up and get your muthaFing ass on the floor.
    [huh?]>

    Sweatin my razzballers while I’m chillin in no pants
    Shining your network in my face, and for what
    Maybe it’s because I kick so much butt

    I kick ass, or maybe cuz I blast
    On a stupid assed FBBer whose down with the network
    Of any over ranked player and faded star
    Cuz the E$PN always got somethin stupid to say

    They put up my picture with silence
    Cuz my identity by itself causes message board fantasy violence
    The G with the behavior
    Yeah, I’m a gansta, but still I got great projections

    Without a suit and a network, what do ya got?
    A sucka in a uniform waitin to get bashed,
    By me, or another RCL FBBer.
    and with da War Room it don’t matter if he’s smarter or bigger

    And as you all know, G’s here to rule
    Whenever I’m writing, keep lookin at my posts
    And there’s no rule to how I put you on blast, I can see a
    Dumb muthaFer with a suit and no discernable plan

    And if I’m writing off the 8, Berry be tha one
    That I take out, and then get away
    And while I’m drivin off laughin
    This is what I’ll say

    F the E$PN (4X)

    The jury has found you guilty of being a souless,
    over rated, ego maniacal muthaFer
    Wait, that’s True. That’s so true
    I want justice! I want justice!
    F U , you Berry MothuFer!>

    F the E$PN (3X)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Wow, that’s brilliant! “and with da War Room it don’t matter if he’s smarter or bigger” HAHA

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Grey: like my music mash ups last season, I do Ok with the Tunes. oh there will be a mash up coming with “grey’s from jersey theme so lets salute it with acts from jersey” coming soon.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha…Can’t wait!

          • Jack Full of Hate says:
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            @Grey: there are so many from there. I need to pick four Bruce and bon jovi are definitely in. trying to decide between the fugees, george clinton, skid row, whitney houston, and the misfits. There are others but i think most wouldn’t know them well

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Easy, Fugees and Clinton…

              • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                @Grey: you called it, what an interesting mix for the ode to grey mash up….i’ll make you look Nino brown cool

  37. Jack Full of Hate says:
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    here is an american Dad clip inspired by one last week. I think SKY posted.

    to set the scene: Stan needs a kidney for haley from her biological father.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl6EL0kaTG4

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      On a related note, I want Huey Lewis to perform at my wedding… Cougar’s mom is working on it…

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Grey: if that happens i want my vinyl copy of sports autographed. i’ll mail it to you!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha, nice… I want my skinny tie autographed!

          • Jack Full of Hate says:
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            @Grey: I was always a closet Huey Lewis lover, I’m glad razzball gave me the courage to come out of that closet and be proud that I love the News.

            He did a cameo on King of Queens once, I tried to find a you tube clip but it was in German. I’ll post it anyways, german is funny. He’s about 4 and a half minutes in.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FwqiTwXgLY

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Wow, that was so much better because it was in German… All King of Queens episodes should be showed that way….

              • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                @Grey: I can’t believe you actually watched it. Yes it gets funny with the German. I’m going to go see what else I can find….probably not going to have What’s Happening

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Guten tag, guten tag, guten tag, guten tag… That’s hey, hey, hey in German…

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  The Soup Nazi one is hilarious…

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Grey: Grau mögen !!

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      My German is rusty (none existent), what does that mean?

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Grey: grey likes

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I do!

                  • JoeC says:
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                    @Grey: Is it just me that gets nervous when people start shouting in German?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Nope, natural reaction…

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Grey: are you going to feather your hair for the wedding?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I wake up and poof, feathered.

          • Jack Full of Hate says:
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            @Grey: thats amazing, no need to carry your brush in you back pocket

          • Sky

            Sky says:
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            Just because you fall asleep wearing a Heather Locklear wig doesn’t mean you wake up feathered.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Nah, kid, my shizz is natural, yo.

              • Sky

                Sky says:
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                Well I was gonna come back with ‘yeah, whatever Jill Monroe’ but then realized Heather Locklear was not a Charlie’s Angel and I was thinking of Farrah Fawcett…back to the humor drawing board!

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  I picture you on the set of Win, Lose or Draw with Martin Short yelling at you…

                  • Sky

                    Sky says:
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                    Does Martin Short ever not yell? I’m trying to think of any time I could use the word subdued and Martin Short in the same sentence and I’m drawing a blank…

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Maybe when he was Jimmy Glick…

                    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                      @Sky: I subdued my self with heroin when i knew Martin short was about to arrive.

                    • Grey

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                      That sounds like the Woody Allen “punched Hemingway in the mouth” gag…

              • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                @Grey: Locklear wig, were you and the coug role playing the fall guy?

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Yeah, she was Lee Majors…

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Grey: sexy!

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Ha! American Psycho is a great flick. I still need to read the book, though.

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Sky: did you post the clip last week

        also, did you see i showed my love and respect by putting you in the parody. You’re the MC Ren of razzball!

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          I did. I said not to invite Christian Bale if Huey was playing.

          Sorry I did not see the L&R. I’m now off to razzball google for it though! For the record, I haven’t converted to Islam like Lorenzo there, though.

          • Jack Full of Hate says:
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            @Sky: just saw the clip on TV and tinkled my self a little i was laughing so hard. Oh razzball you complete me!

            ok thats creepy.

            • Sky

              Sky says:
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              Well my love for American Psycho is a tad creepy so maybe you just fit right in.

              • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                @Sky: I feel creepy, oh so creepy, I feel creepy and witty and gay!

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: I already do something creepy but that requires your hand in your pants via the zipper hole while in the club. i thought it let the ladies knoe I was down to get down. they said it was creepy. Funny I got so many free drinks when i learned to keep my mouth open.

                    • Sky

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                      Ha! I thought if you did that in the club it was called the Jamaican Jerk. That explains why the dance floor cleared when I arrived.

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: Its actually called the Jerk’s jerk, very inspired by the Steve martin classic

                    • Sky

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                      Flying solo as the wild and crazy guy. Just means more ladies for you (to creep out).

  38. AL KOHOLIC says:
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    great job Grey,ready for another great season with razzball and the rcl,s thanks. To whom it may concern,anyone no how to add a picture to my post on here,thanks,if so you can send info to denzikk@aol.com,thanks again

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Good to see you again! You go to gravatar.com and walk through the steps to get a pic…

      • AL KOHOLIC says:
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        @Grey: thanks,ill give it a shot

  39. Jon says:
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    Choose your own adventure!
    a) Jennings + Frazier (with Lawrie at 3B, Frazier CI)
    b) Zimmerman + one of Aybar, Frazier, Janssen or Cishek (with Lawrie at CI but no OF to pair with Stanton in 4-OF league)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      B and Frazier…

  40. Sul says:
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    Have Stanton, Jennings, Gordon, and Heyward as keepers in my 10 teamer (ESPN,5 Outfielders), who do I want as my under the radar 5th OF during my auction draft?

    • Grey

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      I don’t know who will be available… Someone like Lorenzo Cain can work…

  41. Gareth says:
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    Hey Grey,

    Remember the other day when I asked you if a trade was fair? I was offered Brett Lawrie and Carlos Marmol for Billy Butler.

    You said it “sounds decent” which didn’t sound too convincing.

    So I went back to the guy and said I liked the offer but already had enough closers. (I have 4) and If he was willing to offer one of his top starters (Gallardo, Wainright or Darvish) plus Lawrie and I would add a piece to the deal in addition to Butler.

    So I proposed Ethier / Butler for Lawrie / Any one of the 3 starters. I added Ethier because you said that he seems to have more name value than actual real value.

    I woke up today and checked my fantasy messages. I saw that he had cancelled his earlier trade to me (no surprise). I then noticed I had another message. There was another trade proposal.

    Billy Butler for Yovani Gallardo and Brett Lawrie.

    I had to do a double take and check it again. Really? After shaking off my disbelief I frantically accepted the Trade before it was pulled back or it was a delusional vision.

    Should I be arrested for this?

    PS: The Best part. I will be dropping John Jaso to make room for both players.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You did well… Nice! Don’t lose your shizz when YoGa is terrible in April, he always is…

  42. Eric W says:
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    This just gave me a flash back to the mathew berry interview from a few years back, classic may need to find that again. Anyways in a 12 team 5×5 slow draft keeper 15 picks in was wondering if you could give me some thoughts finishing up the draft.
    C- montero
    1b – aushizz
    2b – potentially gordon beckham or maybe uggla need power
    ss – rutledge
    3b – Fraizer
    Mi – potentially cozzart
    Ci – manny machado
    Of – trout
    Of – adam jones
    Of – bj upton
    Util-desmond jennings
    Util – alex gordon

    Sp – wainwright
    Sp – peavy
    Sp – morrow
    Sp – homer bailey
    Sp- niese

    About to snap up 2 closers when ever the guy infront of me makes his pick

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I like the pitching a lot… OF is real nice, UTIL guys are great… I like your infield, but there is some risk there, team looks solid overall…

  43. T says:
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    Keep 2 please help
    Teixeira
    Dunn
    Weaver
    Dickey

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Tex, Weaver… Not good…

      • T says:
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        @Grey:
        Well, that is the last 2, of my 5 keepers, the others are Cabrera, Heyward, Hanley.
        But, Dunn plays OF. and SPs are everywhere at the top of the players getting thrown back.

        BTW, are you saying that Tex and Weaver should be kept, or that they are not good? Or both? Biz, I totally agree that they are not good.

        Also, would you trade to get Trumbo, and keep him over any of the 4 above?

        • Grey

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          None of those guys are good… Trumbo over Tex…

  44. Gareth says:
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    My Team (as it now stands) in a 2 catcher, 1b, 2b, 3b, SS, MI, CI 5 x OF, UT, 9 x Pitcher, 6 Bench CBS League:

    C – Mauer
    C – Santana
    1 B – Votto
    2b – R Weeks
    3b – A-Ram
    ss – Asdrubal Cabrera
    MI – Utley
    CI – Goldschmidt
    OF – Stanton
    OF – Adam Jones
    OF – Choo
    OF – Gardner
    OF – Ethier
    UT – Swisher

    Hitter Bench

    1b/OF Cuddyer
    OF Reddick
    OF – Stubbs
    3B – Lawrie

    Pitching

    SP -Felix Harnandez
    SP – Gio Gonzalez
    SP – Yovani Gallardo
    SP – Dan Haren
    SP – Tim Lincecum
    SP – Jeremy Hellickson
    SP – Trevor Cahill
    RP – Huston Street
    RP – Jonathan Broxton
    RP – Casey Janssen
    RP – Rafael Betancourt

    I need a back up infielder but I’ll probably drop an outfielder or closer for Cozart, who is on the wire. Who is more expendable – Stubbs, Betancourt, Janssen or Broxton?

    Maybe I can package a closer with Ethier for a decent infielder.

    In regards to when the season starts, Who would you start the most out of Swisher, Reddick and Ethier? They seem very simular. Platoon Ethier?

    PS: Thanks for your tips Grey. I took Jones, Goldy and Choo over other guys like Texiera ect based on your analysis.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d start the OF that was hitting… I’d be happy with one and package the other two… Ethier will probably get you the most in a trade… Stubbs is the most expendable…

  45. Carnac says:
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    Greydon Carter: Last night you said you liked Altuve ($7) over Hill ($8) as a keeper (12 team, h2h). My inference is that this is due to context (some other keepers are possible avg drains… BJ, Grandy). If I’m right, can you do that nose-tap thing they did in The Sting? Or if it’s a matter of you thinking Altuve has higher longterm keeper upside, can you wink?

    I’m a little nervous about giving up 12+ HR that Hill would provide over Lil Joe at 2B. Then again, maybe I’m expecting too much from Hill. If that’s the case, stroke your mustache.

    Rubs chin,
    Carnac

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Stroke, tap, wink…

      • Carnac says:
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        @Grey: Tips hat.

        I saw that Astros manager Bo Porter said he’d use Altuve at DH from time to time. Oh, Houston…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          They are so cute, aren’t they?

          • Carnac says:
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            @Grey: Those counting stats are like dollhouse furniture!

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I wanna fill my mini foyer with a mini umbrella holder…

              • Carnac says:
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                @Grey: Has anyone seen my mini violin? They’re gonna need it.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  I put it on eBay… Mea culpa…

  46. costaricanchata says:
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    gotta run to the store .
    will look for the answer later .

    will mastroianni or hicks get the majority of ab’s for the twinkies this year ?

    thanking you now .

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Mastroianni

  47. T says:
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    Trumbo vs. Frazier vs. Chris Davis
    79 Mark Trumbo 62/28/82/5/0.258
    96 Chris Davis 66/28/82/2/0.251
    103 Todd Frazier 72/29/89/5/0.268
    Grey, you have their proj almost exactly the same, but Frazier, despite higher output in all categories over the other 2, is ranked lower? Why, please explain, because it is not a positional thing. Do you trust Trumbo more than the other 2? Both seem to have more power potential than Frazier, but you project more HR for him?
    Help!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Because Frazier hasn’t done it yet the other two have…

      • T says:
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        @Grey:
        Davis hit 33 last year, Trumbo hit 32, why Trumbo over Davis?

        • Carnac says:
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          @T: I look at Chris Davis and see a guy who had a higher K% than Mark Reynolds last year while maintaining a .355 BABIP. Meaning, Davis could very hit .235 and we shouldn’t be surprised.

  48. DecisionTime says:
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    I am surprised to hear you say lawrie and trumbo, given that you have Choo hire ranked. What drove the decision? I forgot to add one other player….what about panda?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Panda over Trumbo…

  49. Reno 911 says:
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    Alright Grey, I was made another offer for Cargo. Weekly H2H points league, which is important b/c if this was roto, no way I do this. Cargo ($12, in the last year of his contract), for Trumbo ($4, three years left), and Shelby Miller ($0, four years left). My only keeper pitcher is Kimbrel, and I need to have five or six SPs per week. With the free cash, I’ll be able to draft Estrada as my #4 SP (otherwise, I’ll be trolling at/near the end for a $2 shmohawk). Pitchers outscore hitters in our league ($200 cap at the time of the draft). Anyone else who has advice on this, please chime in. At the very least, I plan on waiting to see if Miller is healthy and makes the rotation. Basically, this is Cargo and “Arroyo” (each for a year) for Trumbo, Miller and Estrada, all potential three or four-year contracts.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d want CarGo…

  50. Pine Tar Incident says:
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    Your hate on Kershaw seems to go a little past the usual “don’t get a pitcher early” Grey advice. Is the hip that big of a concern with you? 25, has a Cy on the shelf, pitches in Dodger Stadium (and Petco and Pac Bell) on the regular. Is there something else you don’t like besides the hip?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I wouldn’t draft any pitcher in the top 15, let alone one with a hip injury…

  51. ReleasetheMcKraken says:
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    Speaking of player ranking…

    How do you calculate z-score for things like strike outs and caught stealing? I’m getting negative z-scores where I think I should be getting positive.

    For example – the avg strike out value for my data set is 113, the standard dev is 35. Starlin Castro has a projected strike out total of 88.

    z=(88-113)/35

    Giving me a negative .07 category zscore for Castro. Shouldn’t Castro’s category zscore be positive?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I would think it would be positive, yeah…

    • OaktownSteve says:
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      @ReleasetheMcKraken:

      zscores for bad stuff are negative when the player is good. You want a player to have fewer Ks than average. If you want you can multiply everything by -1 for those categories where fewer is better (er, h, bb for pitchers for instance) if you’re trying to sum z-scores across categories

      • ReleasetheMcKraken says:
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        @OaktownSteve Thank you sir!

  52. COJason says:
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    Keeper strategy – I’m in a 10-team, points-based league that awards 10 points/save, 7 points/win, and standard hitter scoring. I can keep 4 players with no limit on how long they can be kept. I’m planning to keep Miggy, CarGo, and Longoria (I can’t seem to give up on him). For the final spot, do I keep Kimbrel and take adavantage of the scoring system, keep Bryce Harper and enjoy the next 15 years, or throw back one of the others and keep these two? Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Harper and the first three you had…

  53. Dan says:
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    In the same way as OaktownSteve says – You could also do 113-88/ 35 effectively telling you how many sd’s below average castro’s strikeouts are.

    Dan

  54. tyler says:
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    in a 20 team dynasty league, not gonna win this year, got some breathtaking ofs locked in for four years, and have melden locked in at minimum for maximum, I think him a most tantalizing difficulty, he will never be more valuable… Or will he, I am being offered j. singleton and a top 30 (k. Law) pitching prospect…correria. So what do I do? We are moving to ESPN, so I post here.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d keep Medlen…

  55. Rags says:
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    So I got roped into a friend’s points league, never done one before. Includes things like Outfield Assists, Errors and Double Plays for hitters. Quality Starts and Blown Saves for pitchers (among other things). Anyone know good projection sources for Defensive Counting Stats, QS and BS?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not sure… Honestly, I think a lot of those things are a crap shoot…

  56. Arod's Frost says:
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    Grey,

    I realize this is just a post glorifying position scarcity but hear me out:

    Given how ADPs are projecting players, wouldn’t it make more sense to try and grab guys in earlier rounds that are clear cut above everyone in their position (Think Cano and Tulo). I mostly agree with your rankings, which is why i see solid value in avoiding OFs and 1B when you can get guys like A gonz/Goldschmidt and Choo/AJax/Gordon in the later rounds. The difference between Tulo and any other SS vs Choo/Gordon and a guy like J Upton or McCutch could be quite a disparity

    Any thoughts? thanks – A’s F

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Grabbing Tulo hasn’t worked out as much as it has… From last year, I can name just as many catchers and SS that have worked out drafting them later as I can name ones that worked out drafting early ones…

  57. Steve says:
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    Has anyone found (or is using) a decent app for mock drafting on an iPad?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’m not sure…

  58. Ryan says:
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    Hey Grey I am in a keeper league, I have headley, got offered Frazier straight up trade would you take it why or why not?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nope

  59. David says:
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    Grey,
    Just curious about a trade offer on my table.

    I’m being offered a 12th and 22nd round pick for desmond and craig allen.

    I’m going into my draft with my keepers anticipated to be miggy, trout, strasburg, dickey, and medlen (or desmond) and without my 5th, 8th, and 14th picks (traded away during the season).

    I think I should execute this deal, your thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Craig Allen sounds like a furniture store… I wouldn’t make that trade…

      • David says:
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        @Grey:

        Allen Craig.

        I’m curious at this because I have their rights until we have to declare our keepers, then they go to the draft pool. If I don’t trade them now, they are worthless to me which is the leverage against me.

        What would be your pre-draft price tag here for these guys given the circumstances? I have no way of placing value so I see it that I am restoring a pick I gave away.

        It would be great to have a cheat sheet for this situation. Valuation of draft pick for pre-draft trades.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          The pre-draft price tag is what they’re currently ranked at, which is better than those draft picks you’re getting but if you’re not keeping them you may as well get something for them…

    • David says:
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      @David:

      to clarify, 10-team league, 5×5, w/ OPS

      roster size is 28, 12 starting hitters (C, 1, 2, SS, 3, CI, MI, 3 OF, 2 DH)

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Gotcha… Okay, take the draft picks…

  60. Gipper says:
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    Enough small talk already.
    I am almost in tears waiting for your tiers.
    What is the ETA, Grey?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, I didn’t anticipate him getting that much love… I think it’s a little crazy…

  61. The Talented Mr. Dope Man says:
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    Grey-bone,

    your brain puts ESPN to shame,

    how’d i do. 12 tm nl only dynasty

    I gave
    YOGA $26, Edinson Volquez $14

    I received

    Pedro Alvarez $17, Yonder Alonso $18

    Needed CI bad… (had none – and only 2 decent bats available at the position)

    muchos gracias

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sounds decent…

  62. costaricanchata says:
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    strasburg gives up his 1st home run of the year to the power-hitting
    rueben tejeda .

    now before the anticipated response of …. “spring training … blah , blah , blah” ,
    what’s important to note is that someone is watching baseball in a 3rd world country .

    thank you mlb.com .

    • costaricanchata says:
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      @costaricanchata:

      the good life just got a little better .

      • The Talented Mr. Dope Man says:
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        @costaricanchata: hahahahaha

        • costaricanchata says:
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          @The Talented Mr. Dope Man:

          the wife went to the boogie-board repair guy yesterday .
          she was wearing the cuba t-shirt that i picked up for her at one of the wbc games .
          of course , she drew a few stares .
          finally , someone commented “cuba ?” .
          her reply was “i’d rather wear a costa rica shirt , but you don’t have a baseball team”.
          (love that gal) !!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sounds like you’re settling in just fine…

  63. Tom says:
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    Who would you keep – 12 team mix h2h

    Emilio Bonifacio (13)
    Mike Moustakas (15)
    Doug Fister (16)
    Alex Rios (18)
    Jonathen Niese (19)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Are those rounds? You keep all of them if you want? Then I’d keep all of them…

      • Tom says:
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        @Grey: sorry – yes those are rounds and I can only keep 1

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Moustakas

  64. B says:
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    @gray, do you prefer moustakas at $1 for this year only or locked in at $10 for the next 3? $260 overall cap and 26 slots to fill?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      $10 for 3…

  65. Tchaikovsky08 says:
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    Grey,

    Would you make this trade in a 14 team H2H keeper league ($130 in salary can be kept each year)?

    I give: Madison Bumgarner ($18 this year, $22 next year); Johnny Cueto ($7, must be cut after this year);

    I get: Cole Hamels ($27 this year, $30 next year); Austin Jackson ($5, must be cut after this year); and Will Middlebrooks ($5, must be cut after this year).

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Eh

  66. Mike From Jersey says:
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    Grey, look in to your crystal ball… what do you think the chances are that Ryan Braun gets suspended this year?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      2% chance… Very unlikely…

      • Mike From Jersey says:
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        @Grey: With that in mind, in a points keeper league where Braun and Trout should be about equal to each other, which would you rather have for the next 2-3 years? Quick explanation why?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Trout

  67. Steve says:
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    Awww, look at Ryan Raburn kicking off his annual Spring Training tease of all Razzball readers.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      It’s officially spring then!

      • Steve says:
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        @Grey: A nice day for your boy JR…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Hope I get him on a few teams before his stock rises…

          • Steve says:
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            @Grey: Yeah, dude needs to calm down!

          • Steve says:
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            @Grey: Have you read The Devil’s Candy?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Nah, you?

              • Steve says:
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                @Grey: Just got it from my sister. As soon as I’m done with Simon’s Homicide, I’ll be in to it. Looks like a good ‘un.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  How’s Homicide?

                  • Steve says:
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                    @Grey: It’s great. Real life, nicely observed. Kinda what Simon does, right?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, his minutia loving is really interesting in interesting worlds… But that was the problem with Treme…

  68. Pops says:
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    Thanks Centerfield ballhawk.

    Josh Hamilton’s Photo—Helped win my first year keeper league last year, along with Braun and Cargo. Also have Longoria at 3rd. I had to drop Hosmer for Craig at first, now I’m dropping Craig to try and draft Au Shzzz or get Hosmer back.

  69. Michael Cassel says:
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    Grey,

    Where did you find the numbers of the average per category needed to win in ESPN league? I read your 2012 post about and it showed the numbers for each category for the average winning team, but I was looking for the average for each placing team? I can’t seem to find that info anywhere and you’re the only person I saw post it last year for winning teams. Thanks

  70. Carl Spackler says:
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    Grey, 5×5 12 team keeper league and I need to keep 6. The first 3 I am pretty sure of (McCutch, Votto, JUp) but after that I need your help

    These are the guys I am debating over
    Batters
    Pablo, Uggla, Weiters, Jeter

    Pitchers
    Gio, Gallardo, Medlen, Peavy, Zimmerman, Smardzija

    Help me Obi-One, you are my only hope

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Pablo, Gio, Zimmermann

  71. quimmy says:
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    Grey, the links to Top 100 OF and Top 100 SP take you to the 81-100 pages for each. Might I suggest that gets changed to link to the 1-20 for each?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I thought it was easily to go back, but I’m beginning to think you’re right… I’m gonna switch them…

      • quimmy says:
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        @Grey: Wrd up Grey, Its more attractive anyways to click on a link and see Ryan Braun then it is to see Oscar Taveras.

        • quimmy says:
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          @quimmy: i wrote click, not dick, ugh. maybe its funnier that way?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, agreed… Thanks! Now what do you think of the top menu layout?

          • quimmy says:
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            @Grey: Awesome, makes more sense that way, nicely done.

  72. Adam says:
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    Hey Grey,
    Who would you prefer, Moustakas in the 15th, or Freeman in the 8th. 12 team 5×5 roto ESPN.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Moose

  73. TheNewGuy says:
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    INJURY ALERT: Grandy fractured right forearm after getting hit by a pitch.

    His keeper league owners just squirmed.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yikes, that’s not good…

  74. costaricanchata says:
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    granderson out 10 weeks with fractured right forearm

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      There he goes…

  75. Eddy says:
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    Ah, yes, Granderson gone ’till May.

    My friend who loves to brag about his keepers has him.

    The first official schadenfreude of the year.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nice…

  76. Dubs says:
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    Hey Grey,

    This year, I’m starting a brand new 6×6 (H, HR, R, RBI, SB, OBP / K, SV, HD, ERA, WHIP, QS) 12-team keeper league (keep 5).

    I live by your rankings, but am trying to vibe them with the recent ESPN keeper league rankings. I know ESPN is balls, but I need to value youth a little more than your rankings do.

    Any other advice on how to read your rankings going into a brand new keeper league?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Gotta bump up prospects a few rounds, no neat and tidy way to do it…

  77. 2 Cups 1 Braun says:
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    Grey : Need to call up my minors guys below or let them go. What would you do? If I call them up, they use the last pick(s) of my draft which is 10 team 24 round keeper. Below are my thoughts as to who to call up and wanted your affirmation.

    Jacob Turner – P – 67.2IP – Let Go
    Zach Cozart – SS – 598AB – Let Go
    Devin Mesoraco – C CIN 215ab – Not sure?
    Anthony Rizzo 1B – Call Up

    Second part to this is would you let any of the following go as I can only have a max of 5 guys and would only get to draft 2 minor league guys if I keep them as is?

    Travis D’Arnaud – C – Can stay on my mILB roster
    Brad Peacock SP OAK 12ip – Can stay on my MiLB roster
    Danny Hultzen – SP – - Can stay on my MiLB roster

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, Rizzo… Let Peacock go…

      • 2 Cups 1 Braun says:
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        @Grey:

        Let Devin Mesoraco go too?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, let him go…

  78. Sul says:
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    Just swapped my Espinosa ($1) for Rutledge ($1), a win for me?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      It’s fair…

  79. 2 Cups 1 Braun says:
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    Looks like Granderson might be falling in drafts as he just broke his forearm…..out at least 10 weeks and can only assume his power numbers are going to tank.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, I made changes to my top 100/top 20 outfielders, etc…

  80. Steve says:
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    Look at you in Tout Wars…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, with a bunch of people I never heard of…

      • Steve says:
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        @Grey: Not all of ‘em though, right? Podhorzer is in your LABR league isn’t he? And I recognise McLeod, Van Hook, Ambrosius and Sarris…

        What’s the difference between the ‘Mixed Draft’ that you’re in and the Mixed League down the bottom of the page?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Maybe they let girls in the other one? Not sure… Yeah, I’ve heard of a few, but, well, yeah…

          • Steve says:
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            @Grey: Your league is a ‘windshield wiper’ (their words not mine) draft, which I assume is a snake draft, whereas all the others are auctions…

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Ah… There ya go… “Windshield wiper draft”… Geez, they need to update their terms and their website…

              • Steve says:
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                @Grey: *Whispers* Is it just me or does fantasy baseball start to look a bit dorky as soon as you start to put some sort of formality around it?

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Yeah, it’s like Star Wars… The more serious you take it the scarier you become to the outside world…

              • Steve says:
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                @Grey: Please don’t write one of those horrible self-referential profile pieces (like Berry did).

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Don’t worry, not happening…

    • costaricanchata says:
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      @Steve:

      can you provide a link ?

      when does it start ??

  81. Shane says:
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    Im in a keeper league and each team keeps 6 players. My last spot is between Melky and Weeks. I figured Melky is batting 2 in the new and improved Jays line up and that would be great for him but obviously youre thinking different by your ranking. Would you keep Weeks instead? My other keepers are D Wright M Holliday A Jones B Butler Chapman. Thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Weeks, yeah…

      • Mike says:
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        @Grey: @Grey:

        It looks like your 7 x7 baseball rankings are not working correctly. Love the site. can you please fix. Thanks

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Thanks for notifying us! Rudy’s looking into it…

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