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For the first time in over two years, Jonathan Papelbon is no longer a $12 Salad.  I know, call your Congressman.  Pass Prop 12.  There’s been signs for a long time that he wasn’t the same closer from 2007.  I didn’t want to move him because he seemed like the epitome of a $12 Salad.  Overpriced lettuce? Yeah, random italicized voice, sorta.  Cool, now I’m totally confused. I think Papelbon has the name value attached to him that makes him seem more attractive than he really is.  His WHIP is kinda bleh.  His ERA’s kinda ugly.  His dancing is hideous.  For the first time in a while, I can see Papelbon’s cracks.  And, uh, cracks kill.  Anyway, here’s all of the closers for your fantasy baseball team, as of right now:

$12 Salads

You know that restaurant your girlfriend/wife/what-have-you likes to go to that charges, like, $12 for a salad? Every time you go there, you have a thoroughly solid meal. No complaints, except you just paid $12 for a salad when you could’ve went to McDonald’s and stuffed you and your woman for ten schmools and had $2 in quarters left over to make the hotel bed vibrate. These closers are $12 salads.

1. Mariano Rivera (+1) (Joba Chamberlain, Damaso Marte)
2. Jonathan Broxton (-1) (Hong-Chih Kuo, Ramon Troncoso)
3. Carlos Marmol (+1) (Sean Marshall, Andrew Cashner)
4. Jose Valverde (+3) (Phil Coke, Ryan Perry)

Donkeycorns

Imagine you’re following a donkey, who’s wearing a wool cap, through a desert for 1700 miles. Why are you following a donkey? Because he promises you something wonderful and you just need to trust him. Does the donkey talk? Yes. Yes, he does talk. So when you and the donkey in the wool cap arrive at his destination, he removes his the wool cap to reveal a horn. The donkey is a unicorn and his gift to you for your trust is saves. These closers are Donkeycorns.

5. Heath Bell (+2) (Luke Gregerson, Mike Adams)
6. Francisco Rodriguez (Pedro Feliciano)
7. Joakim Soria (-2) (Robinson Tejeda, Kyle Farnsworth)
8. Billy Wagner (+5) (Takashi Saito, Peter Moylan)
9. Brian Wilson (Sergio Romo, Chris Ray)
10. Rafael Soriano (Dan Wheeler, Joaquin Benoit)
11. Andrew Bailey (Michael Wuertz, Brad Ziegler)
12. Ryan Franklin (Jason Motte, Kyle McClellan)
13. Jonathan Papelbon (-10) (Daniel Bard, Hideki Okajima)
14. Neftali Feliz (+7) (Frank Francisco, Darren O’Day)
15. Leo Nunez (+2) (Brian Sanches)
16. Francisco Cordero (-2) (Arthur Rhodes, Nick Masset)
17. Jon Rauch (-2) (Matt Guerrier, Jesse Crain)
18. Matt Capps (+1) (Tyler Clippard, Drew Storen)

Brain Freeze

I’m going on a picnic and I’m bringing apples, bananas and Brian Fuentes– Wait, he just gave up 12 earned runs and hit Napoli in the head with a pickoff throw. Brain freeze! Make it stop! Use the following closers at your own risk.

19. David Aardsma (-3) (Brandon League)
20. Matt Lindstrom (Brandon Lyon, Jeff Fulchino)
21. Brian Fuentes (-3) (Fernando Rodney, Kevin Jepsen)
22. Octavio Dotel (Evan Meek, Joel Hanrahan)
23. Brad Lidge (+5) (Jose Contreras, Danys Baez, Chad Durbin)
24. Bobby Jenks (-1) (J.J. Putz, Matt Thornton)
25. Kevin Gregg (-1) (Jason Frasor, Scott Downs)
26. Huston Street (-1) (Manny Corpas, Matt Belisle, Rafael Betancourt)
27. John Axford (+2) (Trevor Hoffman, Zach Braddock, Carlos Villanueva)
28. Kerry Wood (-2) (Chris Perez, Tony Sipp, Rafael Perez)
29. Alfredo Simon (+1) (David Hernandez, Jason Berken, Mike Gonzalez)
30. Aaron Heilman (-3) (Chad Qualls, Sam Demel, Juan Gutierrez, R.B.I. Baseball’s Mike Scott)

  1. brad says:
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    Masterson dealing. . . I had him in for his CG shutout, but I’m missing this one. . . .

    sonuva-

  2. Frank Rizzo says:
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    Awesome….I’ve got nothing but brain freezes on my roto team with Aardsma, Gregg, and Street. Funny thing is I’m 2nd overall in Saves.

    Theriot’s benched for the 3rd straight game. Would a swap of Theriot for E Aybar at SS be worthwhile for me now? I’d just like something out of the SS position. My choices are Aybar, O Cab, Scutaro, Tejada, and Drew as well as Theriot. I don’t need power but could use the R’s, BA, and most of all SB’s.

  3. Commish Cauda says:
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    Any thoughts on Aaron Hill? The guy is barely hitting his weight after a career year. Luckily, I stayed away from him this year.

    However, now I’m looking to the future and thinking of buying low in a deep 20-team keeper league. I can move some spare parts with expiring contracts…Pudge & Wiggy…for a 2011 Hill.

  4. Spartacus says:
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    Hey Grey,

    The way it works in this league is if a guy is in the last year of his contract and you obtain him, you then have exclusive rights to give him a new contract for next year (amt of years adds $5 a year onto the contract)

    hence, a $10 contract will cost $15 for a new one year deal, $20 for a new two year deal etc…

    Not sure if that clears up the situation.

    Spartacus

  5. brad says:
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    @Frank Rizzo: Theriot for SBs. But I don’t really know anything about his injury. If he’s really hurt I’d go O-Cab. or Aybar I guess.

  6. GopherDay says:
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    Grey, the MR you list after the closer, are those in any specific order, like who you think would take over if something happened to the current closer?

  7. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @brad: Yup

    @Frank Rizzo: Nice… Sure, go with Aybar.

    @Commish Cauda: For those two schmohawks, it’s worth the chance. Last year was definitely the outlier with Hill though.

    @Spartacus: Ah… Then go for him.

  8. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @GopherDay: Never know what happens, but it’s close, yeah.

  9. Pops says:
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    @ Gopher Day
    Next in line for save opportunities, I believe….

  10. @grey: Rausch is donkeycorn gigante! Pick 2 Dickey, Braden, Fister (standard 5)

    Do you like any of these upcoming starts over Piniero vs. KC?

    Dickey @ D.C.
    Hunter vs. ChiSox
    Moyer @ Pitt

    I have Piniero but I’m worried that I may need another start or two to put me over in the counting numbers (W, K, QS). Piniero goes on Sunday and he’s the only player I feel comfortable dropping right now. If I go with Grandpa, I can come back with Hunter or Dick or whatever halfway decent matchup is left on waivers.

  11. @Grey: Add Narveson vs. Stl tomorrow to that list. He’s been good in 3 of his last 4

  12. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @3FingersBrown: Hunter over Piniero. Obviously none are great.

  13. quimmy says:
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    Say Im pitching rich and can afford to do the following trade:

    I send: Romero, Dempster and Scutaro
    I receive: Reyes and Max Scherzer

    Is it fair and do I do it?

  14. elizabeth says:
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    Yes, when Papelbon pitches these days I want to eat an entire bag of Oreos because I know I’ll need the emotional comfort. But, I do have Valverde and Marmol and they even sound like things that would be on a $12 salad.

  15. Frank Rizzo says:
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    Oh yeah…..time for my daily F you to Utley. Just saw he needs to get surgery on his sprained thumb and will probably be out until mid-August. What kind of wimp needs to be out a month and a half for a stinking thumb sprain. I won’t be going after Utley again. He’s peaked and won’t be worth the cost next year and beyond.

  16. Howard says:
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    @Grey Drop Glaus for LaPorta? G man has been yawnstipating! Speaking of which, is it time to cut bait with those ’27 Jays namely Bautista and Wells?

  17. @Grey: I was thinking Hunter too.

    Hunter’s on Saturday. The gambler in me wants to roll the dice on Grandpa for what should be a W and hopefully a QS against Pitt tomorrow, before dumping him for Hunter.

    I’m not that worried about ratios. He’s got much better pitching than me, so he’ll probably end up on top even though it’s close now. Only risk is that another owner grabs Hunter between now and 3am. In which case I get Dick…ey or whatever schmohawk left on the scrap heep this weekend.

    Benching Slowey put me in this pickle. I want to cut him out of spite (but I won’t)

  18. DSimms says:
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    @Grey: in one league im rolling with kelly johnson and pedro alvarez and im getting quite bored with both. Should i believe in beckhams last week and grab him or grab sean rod, jose lopez or The Riot or do i just stand pat? Mahalo

  19. Terrence Mann says:
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    @Grey:

    You were way ahead of the curve on your Cano trade. Jay Buhner ring a bell?

    I keed, I keed.

  20. brad says:
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    utley getting surgery, out 5-6 weeks. (sorry if i got scooped on this one)

  21. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @brad: Yeah, someone mentioned it.

  22. xopchipili says:
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    in my 9 team roto 6×6 league (k/9 and OPS), I’ve been offered Doc and Stephen Drew for Hanley. I’m willing to overlook the turd stinking up this offer and make a counter. He’s got Andrus holding it down as his starting SS. Does Halladay + Andrus for HanRam seem fair? If not, what caliber player do you think I should be asking for along w Doc?

  23. Terrence Mann says:
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    I watched The Two Escobars on ESPN and not once in two hours did I hear them mention how bad Yunel and Alcides collectively suck.

    30 For 30 is an awful series.

  24. ThePoonTycoon says:
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    ubaldo straight up for prince? about even?

  25. Grey

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    @xopchipili: I’d take Doc and Andrus for Hanley straight up.

    @Terrence Mann: Ha… I tried to Tivo it the other day and I got Sportscenter instead. Third time it’s happened.

  26. @Grey: Thanks. Hope I’m not just going on tilt after the Slowey sonavabench… I like Hunter and I’m hoping he may be good enough to stick around.

  27. Frank Rizzo says:
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    Someone tell me why Aardsma is pitching the bottom of the 8th in NY? Has there been a changing of the guard that I’m not aware of?

  28. ThE sHiT says:
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    @Frank Rizzo: So he can face the heart of the NYY lineup…

  29. Frank Rizzo says:
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    @ThE sHiT: …..and fail miserably.

  30. Simply Fred

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    @Grey: Does Aardsma’s 2-run dinger to Arod ‘vault’ him below League?

  31. Frank Rizzo says:
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    @Grey: I thought Wakamatsu was supposed to be so brilliant…..a Scioscia clone.

  32. William says:
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    @Grey – Is Asdrubal Cabrera someone to keep an eye on for 2B if I am a Kelly Johnson owner?

    I asked you a while ago about Jose Lopez but he hasn’t really taken off. I’m just a little panicky right now with KJ slumping.

  33. Frank Rizzo says:
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    @William: Oh yeah…..I’ve got my asdrippy on my watchlist and check his status every other day.

  34. Frank Rizzo says:
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    @Frank Rizzo: Wait……I meant I’ve got asdrippy on my watch list, not I’ve got asdrippy. That came out all wrong. Gross.

  35. Penguin says:
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    That sounds like one nasty watchlist.

  36. Frank Rizzo says:
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    @Penguin: Wait, I didn’t spill asdrippy on my watchlist……you’re putting words in my mouth. I don’t have asdrippy I’m just watching him…..wait, that sounds bad too. Asdrippy needs to be monitored in the coming weeks……..wait, this isn’t going well.

  37. Smores says:
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    Please rank. Boesch, Bruce, Stubbs and Huff.

  38. Wilsonian says:
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    @simply fred: I’m wishing they would trade him already so he can lose his closer status so I can get rid of his punk-ass. Maybe I’ll try to deal him in a package for something decent to a league mate that doesn’t read Razzball (I unfortunately drunkenly told someone about this and now they read everyday…man that was dumb…)

  39. Wah says:
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    Without me posting my whole team…

    What do you think… is the following:
    Adrian Gonzalez, Alex Rios, Brett Cecil, and Jaime Garcia

    enough to get these guys?

    Ryan Braun, Matt Holliday, Dan Haren, Ted Lilly?

    Is it at least a good starting point?

  40. pat says:
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    start pavano tonight vs. TB?

  41. Tom says:
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    Grey need your trade help

    elvis andrus and johnny cueto for david price

    i currently have jose reyes as ss

    easy yes right

  42. chrisbenson says:
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    grey, josh bell called up by the O’s…worth an add? orrr?

  43. principal blackman says:
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    I too need some trade advice:

    Team A gets Cano, Verlander & Brian Wilson

    Team B gets Brandon Phillips, Hamilton & Price

  44. Wah says:
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    Frank-
    I read it.. it’s hard to post the entire scenario here because it’d take up too much space.

    Quick synopsis… the other guy is:
    A.) Frustrated with Haren and willing to trade at a discount
    B.) Has no viable 1B option and seems to be pretty desperate.. while I have both Votto and A. Gonz.

  45. Critter Nagurski says:
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    Is Schumaker, S. Rodqriguez, Brignac, Carlos Guillen, or Orlando Hudson the best Utley replacement? I’m just so broken up about this…

  46. Frank Rizzo says:
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    @Wah: Hey, more power to you if you think you can pull this off, but it doesn’t add up at all. You’re offering almost waiver wire worthy pitchers in Cecil and Garcia for 2 pitchers known for good K numbers. Then you’re offering Rios and A-Gonz for a 1st and 2nd round outfielder. The other guy may need a 1st baseman but at what cost? If you think he’s impatient or has a low IQ then more power to you.

  47. Shane says:
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    @Grey (and anyone else who’d like to chime in)

    TRADE….Pull the trigger? 10 team, H2H.

    I get Cano, and Loney; I give up Youk and a DL’d Utley.

    Need to decide either way for it to go into effect by next week.
    Thanks!

  48. Tom says:
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    Shane i would do that deff – utley wont be back and if he is he wont be utley

  49. Steve says:
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    Grandy is slowly but surely draining the life out of me…

  50. ThePoonTycoon says:
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    @Wah: yeah, just cause the dude needs a 1B doesn’t mean he’s gonna vastly overpay for one. what’s the point in having a good 1B when you decimate your OF and staff to get one?

    be smart about your offers. offer him adgonz or votto straight up for holliday (or even braun maybe) and say you are willing to trade him one of your 1Bs that he needs. rarely do you wanna start a trade negotiation with more than 2 player involved per side. get him thinking about votto/adgonz first then kinda negotiate your way into getting lilly off him cheap or haren off him at a discount once you have him thinking about a 1B.

    i think you might could work a adgonz + rios deal for holliday + haren if the guy is really wanting a 1B and really frustrated with haren. adding in the rest of the deal is just getting too greedy and trying to rub it in on the guy.

  51. ThePoonTycoon says:
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    @Shane: call me crazy but i’d rather just stay away for loney. i’d take utley minus 5-6 weeks over loney for the rest of the season. cano and youk are close enough it’s not worth splitting hairs.

  52. Frank Rizzo says:
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    @Shane: Yes, I would make that trade. It’s easier to replace a 1b then a 2b. Cano is the #1 second baseman next year in fantasy because of what he’s doing and will do for the rest of the year. It’s basically Youk for Cano if you ask me……I’d rather have Cano.

  53. Big Nate says:
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    Who do you like in Medlen vs. Bumgarner?

    I’ve been offered Bourn + Bumgarner for Medlen + Pacman. Which side do you like?

    Or stick drop the pitchers and stick to a 1 for 1, Pacman for Bourn?

  54. Eddy says:
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    @Grey:

    Who’s the better ROTIOFORGOTTHERESTOFTHELETTERS:

    Burrell or LaPorta?

    Only behind a couple of homers in my H2H league and about 5 RBIs.

  55. Kazmere says:
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    JUpton for F-her too much? My ERA is bleeding…

  56. Steve says:
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    Reyes out of the lineup today tonight (depending on your timezone), according to the NY Post.

  57. Kazmere says:
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    @Kazmere: Or JUp for Halladay?

  58. Eddy says:
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    @Grey:
    Oh and, who to sit out of these guys:

    Orlando Hudson vs Niemann (@Minn)
    Pat Burrel vs Aaron Cook (@Col)
    MMD vs Bumgarner (@Col)
    Adam Jones vs Cahill (@Bal)

    Btw, is it worth trading for Utley to try and reap something in the last 2 regular weeks of H2H and hopefully the last 3 of playoffs?

    Thanks Grey!

  59. herschel says:
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    @Grey: my pena for andrus? need a replacement for for tulo (currently have tejada) and pena is in and out my lineup at dh switching with bruce. thoughts?

  60. ThePoonTycoon says:
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    @Frank Rizzo: what happens if you have youk at 3B? no doubt cano is a stud, but he’s gonna give you similar stats to youk. he doesn’t add speed to the table. that’s why ultimately i see cano and youk being fairly even. youk has the obp edge, cano has a bigger avg edge. really avg is the only significant difference and youk is a .300 hitter, so he’s not a drain.

    still feel like the deal essentially comes down to whether you like utley minus 5-6 weeks or loney more.

  61. Shane says:
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    I have Zimmerman as my 3B, and Huff on my bench at 1B and OF. So I don’t mind parting with Youk, who is typically a 2nd half slouch.

  62. ThePoonTycoon says:
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    @herschel: good luck getting andrus (the #2 SS btw) for pena

    @Big Nate: i’d take medlen/pacman easily

  63. Shane says:
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    we also only have one DL spot and Tulo is taking that up right now.

  64. herschel says:
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    @ThePoonTycoon: he made the offer to me (i think hes on some kind of contact high from owning furcal as well).

  65. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Big Nate: Medlen… Medlen and Jones.

    @Eddy: Ha! Try LaPorta.

    @Kazmere: It’s fair, depends on needs. I’d try and go for a lesser pitcher with a lesser hitter.

    @Eddy: No on Utley. Hudson…

    @herschel: Agree with Poon.

  66. Kazmere says:
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    Chase Utley had surgery to repair a torn ligament in his right thumb Thursday and is expected to miss the next eight weeks.

  67. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Kazmere: Thanks for the update!

  68. Big Nate says:
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    @ThePoonTycoon: My team is desperately in need of steals and I have power to spare. That’s why I’m moving strongly considering Pacman for Bourn. I realize it’s probably selling slightly low on Jones but he’s been exhausting to own.

    Who do you prefer between Medlen and Bumgarner? I add Medlen and he sends Bumgarner does that work to even up the deal or make it even less in my favor?

  69. LMack says:
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    Its been an interesting and frustrating year watching the Sawx pen. All Daniel Bard has done is put up a healthy K rate and locked things down. Papelbon has been more aggrivating to watch. His fastball just seems flat.

    Anywho, 5×5 Roto, 10 Team. Pick a side please.
    Matt Holliday and CC Sabathia
    Ubaldo Jimenez and Josh Hamilton

  70. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @LMack: It’s fair, don’t see a real reason for the trade.

  71. Frank Rizzo says:
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    @LMack: I’m feeling frisky…..gimme Jimenez/Hamilton with the higher ceiling….and the higher risk.

  72. ThePoonTycoon says:
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    @Big Nate: i like medlen more. mainly cause i think the braves will be in the playoff race all year, he’s not a top tier prospect that’s 21 years old, so they won’t be as apt to shut him down in sept, and he’s already proven he can be at least usable against MLB hitters week in and week out, whereas bumgardner has had 1 start.

  73. Kazmere says:
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    @Grey: My other bats (12 tm roto) are
    Napoli
    Pujols
    Figgy
    Zimmerman
    Reyes
    JUp, Bruce, Grandy, Pierre
    Teixeira Util

    Thinking I can spare JUp? No one is biting on Grandy or Bruce.

  74. ThePoonTycoon says:
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    @Kazmere: it’d leave you awfully thin offensively in a 12 team league imo. grandy, pierre, and figgy are all performing poorly and you’d be starting all 3. i’d target someone like lilly, maybe offer grandy? it’s not a sexy name but it’s a cheaper price and he’s pitching pretty great this year, and he’s a vet proven to be able to keep his era in the mid-3.00s in the NL (unlike jaime garcia or someone else less proven).

    what;s your staff look like? maybe you got guys like haren who’ve been very unlucky thus far and are due for a hot stretch.

  75. big o says:
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    who wins ?

    darryl strawberry’s new blonde wife ,
    or ,
    his cocaine addiction ??

  76. Kazmere says:
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    @Grey: So order of desired SP: Halladay, FHer, Verlander

  77. Big Nate says:
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    @ThePoonTycoon: @ Grey – Thanks fellas!

  78. wynams says:
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    FYI, Jenks hasn’t blown a save since May 9th (converted 12 straight). In that span, he has lowered his ERA by 2.72 to just above 4 (was 6.75 due to mostly bad luck). He so deserves to be Donkeycorned!

  79. aj says:
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    Worth the risk to start Mad Bum @ Col?

  80. Voidoid says:
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    Staring at Matt LaPorta on waivers. Should I drop Dexter Fowler or Julio Borbon to pick him up, or should I leave him be?

  81. Terry Felton says:
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    I was offline for a few days and just found out that Utley is broken. Would you drop Volquez, Zito or Brett Anderson in order to pick up his replacement?

  82. barker says:
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    morgan vs santana or fowler vs bumgarner

  83. mr baseball says:
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    Phillies 2B Utley out at least 8 weeks – I don’t feel bad for the owners of Utley – I lost Lind for 13 weeks so far

  84. mr baseball says:
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    Name that Molina

    Rangers get C Molina from Giants

  85. Looks like the SAGNOF du jour face off of Pagan vs. Bernadina will have to wait. Both out of the starting lineup today.

  86. aj says:
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    n. morgan, c. pena

    for

    Granderson, Smoak, J. Garcia, Pelfery

  87. aj says:
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    Which side do you like? 5×5 roto
    n. morgan, c. pena

    for

    Granderson, Smoak, J. Garcia, Pelfery

  88. big o says:
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    @Grey:

    for the 1st time …(almost ever) ,
    i will NOT jinx my starting pitcher !

    “What , me worry ?”

    nah .

  89. Steve says:
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    @big o: If you need jinxing done, I’m your man.

  90. Robert says:
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    @Grey- Don’t know if it has been asked yet. Is it worth holding on to Utley?

  91. big o says:
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    @Steve:

    ok , Steve
    i’ll take you up on your offer .

    will you root for pavano , tonight ?

    (resorting to reverse-child psychology , here .)
    hehe .

  92. Steve says:
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    @big o: Ah – the old reverse-jinx.

    It won’t be easy, given that he has caused me distress this year, but I’ll give it a shot. Go Carl! Throw it in there, Carl!

  93. Steve says:
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    Francoeur kills Livan – until today of course.

  94. Terry Felton says:
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    Barmes, Bartlett or Uribe as an Utley replacement?

  95. Terry Felton says:
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    By the way, I’m wondering if I qualify for FEMA disaster relief:

    We drafted early, and I took Nathan, Street, Sizemore, Morales, Rollins, Anderson, Utley, and Suzuki.

  96. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Terry Felton: Ha, yeah, think you do. Stand on your roof and wave a flag.

  97. Jenkies says:
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    Jason Bay has been riding my bench for weeks. In a 10 team mixed league is he finally droppable? Gomes, Stubbs, DeJesus, S. Rodriguez, Kubel, Borbon, Ross, Willingham, and Gutierrez are all available.

    My OF is Rios, Pence, Victorino, Huff, Young.

  98. Steve says:
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    Hamels is a wanker. Not trying to jinx or reverse jinx.

    Just stating a fact.

  99. Grey

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    @Jenkies: I could see dropping him if the right guy was on waivers, those guys aren’t exactly that big of a difference.

    @Steve: He is indeed a wanker. It’s the flippin’ Pirates!

  100. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Actually, it’s unfair to single him out. There’s a lot of guys I own that I’m hating on right now.

  101. big o says:
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    and delmon young delivers the best 2-out strike of the night .

    damn .
    blind-sided .

    time to light another candle ?

  102. yanks4life says:
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    Anyone worried about starting Garcia vs. Milwaukee tomorrow?

  103. I am the Liquor says:
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    Grey which side
    Werth, Sandoval, Mariano, Slowey or Wainwright, Nolasco, Manny, Lidge, Pacman

  104. JRT says:
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    Thanks, Rajai.

  105. Tony says:
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    calling on any and all opinions and grey of course……

    PICK ONE TO SPOT START TOMM:

    Jamie “old balls” Moyer vs. PIT

    or

    Max “sometimes i’m awesome” Scherzer vs. SEA

    Lemme know!

  106. @yanks4life: Lil bit. Feel like I should give him another go, he’s deserved it.

    @Tony: Mad Max. I got old balls.

    M’man Cahill keeps on rollin’! Would love to see Minny come back and get Donkeycorn Gigante into the game.

  107. timsti says:
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    @Grey: 10 team 7 keepers Roto. Who wins this trade?

    Team A gets: Andrus + CarGo

    Team B gets: Cruz, Simon, + Lewis

    Or

    Team B gets: Phillips, Simon, + Lewis.

  108. @Grey: You’re not nervous or you’re not starting Jaime?

    Posey with the jack! Maybe his comfort level will improve now that he’s back behind the plate. The guy has been a catcher all this time…

  109. Tony says:
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    @Grey: thats what i was thinking, spot starting moyer just feels bad… i mean he’s got the phils offense behind him -Utley but still…..

    @3FingersBrown: old balls, gross, whats your 5 yr plan?

    lol, if u get that one its funny, if not, its not…. (big daddy)

  110. @Tony: Nah didn’t see it. I feel dirty but it’s Pittsburgh… I also said that earlier in the year when he faced SF. Then I dropped him and he pitched a shutout.

  111. @Grey: I’ve got 6 starts (if I get Hunter when the day turns over at 3am) against his 7 and I’m up 1 W, 1 QS and 4K. He has Dempster going. If he gets blown up, or my 7pm pitchers start off bad, I’ll sit Jaime. If not, I think I gotta give Jaime a go.

    Who knows? I may end up picking Piniero back up for Sunday.

    Drives me crazy, but I love H2H.

  112. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @3FingersBrown: Love that you stay up until 3am for the games to turn over. Nice!

  113. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @timsti: Thanks for the heads up!

  114. @Grey: Got guys who work the graveyard shift in that league and Hunter’s been add/dropped once or twice already… You guys out west have it a little easier in that way.

    Gives me an excuse to keep myself up and write in peace while the wife’s asleep anyway.

  115. timsti says:
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    @Grey: NP chico.

    In a league with 5 SP and 3 RP does it make sense to trade Simon who has SP eligibility and Wood for Franklin?

    My 3 RP’s are Marmol, Dotel, + Wood with Simon in a SP spot.

    We have a 5 man bench so its not like Simon is taking up space. I just figure I’d try to package him while he’s still closing for an upgraded closer. AtBC right?

  116. timsti says:
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    @timsti: AtBC = Always Trade Bad Closers.

    My typo = new acronym.

  117. Grey

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    @3FingersBrown: Ah, I hear ya.

    @timsti: Isn’t it ABtC? Also that doesn’t really work when you’re trading for a closer. With that said, you’re trading two closers who may not be closers in another week or two for an actual closer, so yeah I’d do it.

  118. Chris says:
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    @Grey: Barmes or Uribe?

  119. timsti says:
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    @Grey: Check post 134 ;)

    Also in regards to my earlier trade, would you rather give up Phillips for Andrus or Cruz for Andrus straight up. Or hold onto Phillips and Cruz. Alcides is my SS now. I’m loaded in power #’s.

    10 team 7 keepers 5×5 Roto (no keeper length limit)

  120. Steve says:
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    Rangers are rotten on the road. Give a CJ a hand!

  121. Steve says:
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    @big o: Didn’t get shelled but no win either. Does that do the trick?

  122. Calogero says:
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    Grey, what do we make of Dexter Fowler for the second half? Is he going to get 6 starts a week in the leadoff spot or are the Rockies going to give him the Iannetta treatment and make sure he can’t actually become as good as he should?

    Would you drop Borbon for him know, without being sure what will happen?

  123. big o says:
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    @Steve:

    i know that you wouldn’t want to kiss MY sister ,
    but it’ll have to do .

    thanks , for your concern .
    feels good having not out-smarted just myself .

    let me know how , and when , i can return the favor .

  124. Steve says:
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    @big o: Of course if you really want him to get shelled, I’ll have to pick him up myself ;-)

  125. xopchipili says:
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    AJ Hinch out as DBacks manager. Somehow in my fantasies this results in Demel being immediately named the closer. I suspect my fantasies are way better than reality.

  126. Grey

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    @timsti: Yeah, I posted mine prior to reading yours. I’d give up Phillips or Cruz for Andrus. It’s fair, depends on needs.

    @Steve: Ha

    @Calogero: I’m drop Borbon for him, sure. Once Hawpe returns it may squeeze Fowler to the bench again.

    @xopchipili: Ha… Yeah, probably.

  127. Oh no, Gigante’s uni-horn fell off tonight. Sadness.

  128. Steve says:
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    @Grey: If memory serves, you play in one league where you count Holds, right?

    If you just need a guy for a day or two, how do you sort/select?

  129. Calogero says:
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    @Grey: you think the Rockies would ACTUALLY call up a talented young player and then dock his playing time when an average veteran starts producing averagely?

    Nevermind. I think I might pass, I’m a little ahead on my transaction limit.

  130. Grey

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    @3FingersBrown: Ha

    @Steve: Sort by who has the most Holds in the last week but who hasn’t had one in the last two days while also keeping in mind a team that could have a lead to hold.

    @Calogero: They’ve done it before to him.

  131. aj says:
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    would you own Mad Bum at this point?
    Would you start Jamie Garcia vs. Mil
    I need to improve whip. 5×5 roto

  132. Steve says:
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    @Grey: If only we applied ourselves so diligently to other tasks.

  133. aj says:
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    Who would you own short term?
    Colvin, Bradley, Crisp

  134. barker says:
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    trade 20 team league holds

    i give buchholz tabata thornton i get hamilton slowey

    kids a pirates fan wants tabata and he needs pitching hes thinking about it now

    my other starters are price lester shields kershaw arroyo chacin
    dl harden dl volquez
    too much or not enough

  135. @Grey: I hate chasing SB but do you like Fowler over Bernadina or Tabata Bread? Either would be on bench as a 5th OF.

  136. Terrence Mann says:
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    @Grey:
    Actually, The Two Escobars was captivating. One of the best 30 For 30s along with Winning Time, IMO. Good luck with the Tivo thing.

  137. xopchipili says:
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    which 2B you like better, Sean Rod or Wiggy? And if Wiggy gets traded to Philly like the rumor mill says he might, does that change your answer?

  138. GopherDay says:
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    You know, I get the whole “load up the bases” deal, but Hamilton’s got a 20-somthin hitting streak going on and the Angels Intentionally walk him. I don’t blame the Angels one bit, but its always a little aggravating when something like that happens.

  139. GopherDay says:
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    @3FingersBrown: Tabata and Fowler are tomato Tahmato, with Fowler having slightly higher HR upside. I like either one over Bernadina.
    @barker: I’d take that deal in a heartbeat. Slowey has been pretty terrible, but the upgrade of Hamilton over Tabata is significant enough to make up for that.

  140. @xopchipili: Wiggy in Philly gotta get a bumb what with the lineup and small park. I’d probably Wig out and play it safe. S-Rod can go 0 for his next 23 and be sitting behind Brignac at any time.

    @GopherDay: Dodged a bullet with that 2-2 wild pitch against Cruz! Exciting stuff. Fuentes time baby… (deep breaths)

  141. Calogero says:
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    Best Utley replacement (H2H 6×6 w/OPS)?:

    Callaspo
    Aviles
    J. Lopez
    S-Rod
    Barmes

  142. @GopherDay: @Grey: I drafted Fowler originally and I like him because he’s shown a good eye in his brief career. Think he’ll get enough playing time to be relevant?

  143. MeanMachine says:
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    LaPorta or Smoak?

  144. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Calogero: Lopez

    @3FingersBrown: I’d give him a whirl after tonight. If he sticks, he’s better than Tabata.

  145. @Grey: True dat. Plus Bernadina’s facing Niese tomorrow, so he may not even play. Going back to my original draft day SAGNOF pick Fowler… If Pagan plays, he probably sits anyway.

  146. @Grey: Another lefty, Takahashi on Sunday too… Fowler and the Rox look like they’ll try to test Posey this weekend. CarGo stole one tonight too.

  147. aj says:
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    j.garcia and pelfrey for pena
    is it fair?13 team 5×5 roto

  148. @Grey: Thanks for talking me into that. I’m hoping Fowler sticks. The SAGNOF revolving door continues…

    btw: My offer of Panda + Hammel, Garcia or Medlen for Tim, Felix or Weaver didn’t even get a response. Damn, I didn’t think it was bad consider the crap he’s running out at 3B/CI.

    Think I should make that same offer for Oswalt? I don’t love that.

    Panda for Furcal? That would allow me to bench Lopez as needed.

  149. @Grey: Maybe Panda straight up for Oswalt or Bills, he’s got him too. Guy has sick pitching with Lilly his 6th starter.

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