What was I thinking when I thought this would be a fun post? I came into this wanting to be Grey’s opposite for S’s and G’s, but that ship sailed south really fast. If you are disappointed that I bailed on that idea, then go to his comments any day and you can view my contrarian ways as I try to keep him honest and keep myself being…well, me being good ole me. When Rudy told me he would make me a table doing a side-by-side with dollar values, I was a little worried about how that would be accepted by the Grey-heads. Then I thought to myself, who doesn’t like money? Well maybe Monty Brewster, who hated money for 30 days, but I would too with what he had to do in that classic 80’s baseball flick. On a hunch, I went into the archives to find that Rudy wrote this post last year and realized I got duped into doing it for 2015. Well played señor Rudolfo…well played indeed.
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This season as I have prepped for drafts, I’ve been checking my work against what both Grey and Rudy have so generously prepared for us. Thanks you two for all the hard work you put in to help us each and every year! You all need to go buy Grey a daiquiri right now. No really, go do it, I can wait. Now before I move on, I have one last question, if we buy Grey a daiquiri, what do we buy Rudy? Seriously, is there a buy Rudy a beer button I’ve never seen before? Is he a non-drinker and I have to send over a cup of black coffee? Dammit, I got questions and I want answers! What does Rudy like to sip on while he works his magic? My bet is a nice Hibiscus Tea with a little honey and a shot of Cazadores tequila dropped in it like a boilermaker.
The chart below gives us a side-by-side look with the ability to sort by rank, position, team, as well as a Grey minus Rudy calculation. Before I get to the list, lets take a look at some players that have at least a 10 dollar difference between them. The first number will be Grey’s, the second will be Rudy’s, and the third will be the difference. The words will be mine.
Justin Upton (29.0 – 16.4 = 12.6) – Talk about a difference of opinion here. Basically Grey has no problem with the move to San Diego and has him as his 7th ranked outfielder. Rudy would rather have him do that on someone else’s team and has him as his 24th ranked outfielder. Personally, I think he falls somewhere in between and ends up as the 12th-ish best outfielder for the season. Sorry Jay.
Nolan Arenado (27.0 – 16.2 = 10.8) – When I saw this, I thought the site was going to crash and a vortex would suck me into middle earth. Rudy has him just below my ADP steal Charlie Blackmon ($16.4) and we all know how Grey feels about Nolan. Sky is another lover of Arenado too, and I am feeling Nolan like a teenager who wants to feel his friends hot mom. Grey likes to be bold for who is next and Rudy is hanging out with Bill O’Reilly with his conservative rankings here.
Ian Desmond (29.0 – 17.3 = 11.7) – This one screams positional scarcity to me. For those that read Rudy’s post where he threw scarcity out the car window like an old cheeseburger wrapper, know that his rankings this year are fueled by Meritocracy Theory – Do no position adjustments. Looking over Grey’s top-30 shows us that 26th ranked Michael Brantley (87/17/92/19/.301) is better for your team than 16th ranked Ian Desmond (75/21/87/22/.251) as long as you use Rudy’s 2015 theory.
Tyson Ross (20.0 – 7.6 = 12.4) – Okay, this one is too easy to pick on. In every draft I have been in, no one is agreeing with Grey on Ross. Steamer has him at 166 innings so that comparison is useless. Rudy values pitching more than Grey except on Ross…and a few others. He has him at 39, Grey at 14, and I have him on someone else’s team for 2015.
Mat Latos (16.0 + 1.2 = 17.2) – WTF is with my math problems? Grey kinda sorta likes Latos in a “take a flyer on a guy that should be a deal on draft day” way because “Latos is too young (27) to be breaking down, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt”, and that’s me quoting Grey. I’m guessing he is banking on Dallas Latos the blogger and motivational speaker factor that no one else is seeing. Rudy is zipping up the body bag and moving on to older pastures with guys like Brandon McCarthy (30th), John Lackey (26th) and Lance Lynn (29th).
Evan Gattis (7.0 – 18.7 = -11.7) – We all know Grey hates drafting catchers early but Rudy just told us to take that theory and shove it where the sun don’t shine. Numbers are numbers wherever they may come from. Catchers have been going at a massive discount in the few drafts I’ve been in this year and I’m leaning Rudy on this one. In Gattis we get the rare chance to draft a catcher that will be playing the outfield and DH’ing in a better home park than last year. What’s not to like! Can I get a 600 at bats? I love you Albright, but for the love of god, bump up Gattis in your ranks. 183? Oh FFS, c’mon!
Kolten Wong (18.0 – 6.8 = 11.2) – Grey hearts Wong and Rudy is just okay with Wong. I’m all in with Grey here. I like me some nice young hot Wong to make everything better for 2015. With all the small-to-large question marks with the 2nd basemen going ahead of Wong in this years draft, why not live a little and buy yourself some Wong? Sometimes you have to throw your sack on the table and let the draft room know you want a player and that you DGAF. Wong is that guy. Own him, hold him, but not too much, you’ll go blind. Rudy has him below the the fantasy snoozer Daniel Murphy Bed, and that’s just wong…wrong.
There are many other names I could have gone over here, Clayton Kershaw (-10.4 difference), Anthony Rendon (9.1), Adam Jones (8.5), Max Scherzer (-9.2), Danny Santana (10), Jedd Gyorko (14.6), and Melky Cabrera to name a few. But what fun would that be? Please explore the list and share your thoughts in the comments. My best advice is to use them both, one to let you fly and the other to keep you grounded. I’m going to be drafting one of my RCL’s by making alternating picks between the two ranks for funnzies. You don’t have to pick a side, unless you want to. My choice is…
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| # | Name | Team | Pos | Grey $ | Rudy $ | Grey Minus Rudy $) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kyle Lewis | SEA | OF | 22 | 1.4 | 20.6 | |
| Hanser Alberto | KC | 2B | 3 | -15.1 | 18.1 | |
| Andrew Vaughn | CHW | 1B | 5 | -9.0 | 14.0 | |
| Joey Wendle | TB | 2B/SS/ 3B | 2 | -11.8 | 13.8 | |
| Jazz Chisholm | MIA | 2B/SS | 1 | -12.1 | 13.1 | |
| Jonathan Villar | NYM | 2B/SS | 1 | -11.5 | 12.5 | |
| Matt Olson | OAK | 1B | 23 | 12.1 | 10.9 | |
| J.D. Davis | NYM | 3B/OF | 8 | -2.7 | 10.7 | |
| Garrett Hampson | COL | 2B/OF | 6 | -4.5 | 10.5 | |
| Cavan Biggio | TOR | 2B/3B/ OF | 16 | 5.9 | 10.1 | |
| Nolan Arenado | STL | 3B | 25 | 15.0 | 10.0 | |
| Yoan Moncada | CHW | 3B | 21 | 11.0 | 10.0 | |
| Zach Plesac | CLE | SP | 13 | 3.1 | 9.9 | |
| Jorge Alfaro | MIA | C | 1 | -8.3 | 9.3 | |
| Dansby Swanson | ATL | SS | 19 | 9.8 | 9.2 | |
| Dylan Moore | SEA | 2B/OF | 14 | 5.0 | 9.0 | |
| Zac Gallen | ARI | SP | 14 | 5.1 | 8.9 | |
| Sandy Alcantara | MIA | SP | 8 | -0.5 | 8.5 | |
| Brandon Lowe | TB | 2B/OF | 16 | 7.5 | 8.5 | |
| Ryan Yarbrough | TB | SP | 5 | -3.4 | 8.4 | |
| MacKenzie Gore | SD | SP | 2 | -6.4 | 8.4 | |
| Julio Urias | LAD | SP | 12 | 4.0 | 8.0 | |
| Leody Taveras | TEX | OF | 8 | 0.1 | 7.9 | |
| Jarred Kelenic | SEA | OF | 5 | -2.8 | 7.8 | |
| Noah Syndergaard | NYM | SP | 1 | -6.7 | 7.7 | |
| Shohei Ohtani | LAA | SP | 2 | -5.6 | 7.6 | |
| Hunter Dozier | KC | 1B/OF | 6 | -1.5 | 7.5 | |
| James McCann | NYM | C | 6 | -1.4 | 7.4 | |
| Alex Kirilloff | MIN | OF | 1 | -6.4 | 7.4 | |
| Franchy Cordero | BOS | OF | 2 | -5.2 | 7.2 | |
| Dane Dunning | TEX | SP | 3 | -4.2 | 7.2 | |
| Dominic Smith | NYM | 1B/OF | 10 | 2.8 | 7.2 | |
| Avisail Garcia | MIL | OF | 1 | -6.1 | 7.1 | |
| Sixto Sanchez | MIA | SP | 9 | 2.0 | 7.0 | |
| Luke Weaver | ARI | SP | 3 | -3.9 | 6.9 | |
| Tommy La Stella | SF | 1B/2B | 3 | -3.8 | 6.8 | |
| Richard Rodriguez | PIT | RP | 11 | 4.2 | 6.8 | |
| Mike Yastrzemski | SF | OF | 9 | 2.3 | 6.7 | |
| Ty France | SEA | 2B | 2 | -4.5 | 6.5 | |
| Austin Nola | SD | C | 2 | -4.4 | 6.4 | |
| Matt Chapman | OAK | 3B | 17 | 10.6 | 6.4 | |
| Jake Cronenworth | SD | 1B/2B/SS | 6 | -0.4 | 6.4 | |
| Ian Anderson | ATL | SP | 10 | 3.8 | 6.2 | |
| John Means | BAL | SP | 8 | 1.8 | 6.2 | |
| Justus Sheffield | SEA | SP | 1 | -5.2 | 6.2 | |
| Mike Soroka | ATL | SP | 6 | -0.2 | 6.2 | |
| Tyler O’Neill | STL | OF | 1 | -5.1 | 6.1 | |
| Marco Gonzales | SEA | SP | 7 | 0.9 | 6.1 | |
| Austin Hays | BAL | OF | 5 | -1.1 | 6.1 | |
| Caleb Smith | ARI | SP | 2 | -4.0 | 6.0 | |
| Elieser Hernandez | MIA | SP | 5 | -0.9 | 5.9 | |
| Hyun-Jin Ryu | TOR | SP | 18 | 12.1 | 5.9 | |
| Jurickson Profar | SD | 2B/OF | 1 | -4.8 | 5.8 | |
| Charlie Blackmon | COL | OF | 22 | 16.4 | 5.6 | |
| Aaron Civale | CLE | SP | 6 | 0.5 | 5.5 | |
| Willy Adames | TB | SS | 4 | -1.5 | 5.5 | |
| Carson Kelly | ARI | C | 3 | -2.4 | 5.4 | |
| Michael Conforto | NYM | OF | 22 | 16.6 | 5.4 | |
| Trent Grisham | SD | OF | 17 | 11.7 | 5.3 | |
| Dylan Bundy | LAA | SP | 13 | 7.9 | 5.1 | |
| Cristian Javier | HOU | SP | 4 | -1.1 | 5.1 | |
| Adbert Alzolay | CHC | SP | 2 | -3.1 | 5.1 | |
| Eduardo Escobar | ARI | 3B | 8 | 2.9 | 5.1 | |
| Ramon Laureano | OAK | OF | 13 | 7.9 | 5.1 | |
| Francisco Lindor | NYM | SS | 34 | 28.9 | 5.1 | |
| Jose Abreu | CHW | 1B | 26 | 20.9 | 5.1 | |
| David Price | LAD | SP | 6 | 1.1 | 4.9 | |
| Jeimer Candelario | DET | 1B/3B | 5 | 0.3 | 4.7 | |
| Pete Alonso | NYM | 1B | 24 | 19.4 | 4.6 | |
| Mitch Keller | PIT | SP | 1 | -3.5 | 4.5 | |
| Kyle Crick | PIT | RP | 1 | -3.4 | 4.4 | |
| Max Fried | ATL | SP | 15 | 10.7 | 4.3 | |
| Tim Anderson | CHW | SS | 26 | 21.7 | 4.3 | |
| Bo Bichette | TOR | SS | 32 | 27.8 | 4.2 | |
| Jesus Luzardo | OAK | SP | 13 | 8.8 | 4.2 | |
| Jesus Aguilar | MIA | 1B | 4 | -0.2 | 4.2 | |
| Lucas Giolito | CHW | SP | 24 | 19.9 | 4.1 | |
| Gio Urshela | NYY | 3B | 9 | 5.1 | 3.9 | |
| Chris Bassitt | OAK | SP | 8 | 4.2 | 3.8 | |
| Dallas Keuchel | CHW | SP | 4 | 0.3 | 3.7 | |
| Yordan Alvarez | HOU | DH | 22 | 18.4 | 3.6 | |
| Rowdy Tellez | TOR | 1B | 5 | 1.4 | 3.6 | |
| Javier Baez | CHC | SS | 20 | 16.4 | 3.6 | |
| Pablo Lopez | MIA | SP | 11 | 7.5 | 3.5 | |
| Tyler Mahle | CIN | SP | 7 | 3.7 | 3.3 | |
| Bobby Dalbec | BOS | 1B | 5 | 1.7 | 3.3 | |
| Tommy Edman | STL | 2B/SS/ 3B/OF | 11 | 7.7 | 3.3 | |
| Nate Pearson | TOR | SP | 2 | -1.3 | 3.3 | |
| Manuel Margot | TB | OF | 3 | -0.3 | 3.3 | |
| Bryan Garcia | DET | RP | 1 | -2.3 | 3.3 | |
| Teoscar Hernandez | TOR | OF | 12 | 8.8 | 3.2 | |
| Nick Castellanos | CIN | OF | 19 | 15.8 | 3.2 | |
| Aaron Nola | PHI | SP | 24 | 20.8 | 3.2 | |
| Triston McKenzie | CLE | SP | 2 | -1.1 | 3.1 | |
| Austin Meadows | TB | OF | 15 | 11.9 | 3.1 | |
| Eric Hosmer | SD | 1B | 13 | 9.9 | 3.1 | |
| Evan White | SEA | 1B | 4 | 1.0 | 3.0 | |
| Sam Hilliard | COL | OF | 2 | -1.0 | 3.0 | |
| Isiah Kiner-Falefa | TEX | SS/3B | 6 | 3.0 | 3.0 | |
| Keston Hiura | MIL | 2B | 18 | 15.2 | 2.8 | |
| Brandon Nimmo | NYM | OF | 3 | 0.2 | 2.8 | |
| Christian Walker | ARI | 1B | 7 | 4.2 | 2.8 | |
| Zach Eflin | PHI | SP | 7 | 4.3 | 2.7 | |
| Wil Myers | SD | OF | 12 | 9.3 | 2.7 | |
| Manny Machado | SD | 3B | 30 | 27.3 | 2.7 | |
| Tony Gonsolin | LAD | SP | 2 | -0.7 | 2.7 | |
| Enrique Hernandez | BOS | 2B/OF | 1 | -1.7 | 2.7 | |
| Brady Singer | KC | SP | 3 | 0.3 | 2.7 | |
| Sonny Gray | CIN | SP | 15 | 12.4 | 2.6 | |
| Yasmani Grandal | CHW | C | 10 | 7.4 | 2.6 | |
| James Karinchak | CLE | RP | 11 | 8.4 | 2.6 | |
| Clint Frazier | NYY | OF | 8 | 5.4 | 2.6 | |
| Dustin May | LAD | SP | 3 | 0.5 | 2.5 | |
| Max Muncy | LAD | 1B/2B/ 3B | 15 | 12.5 | 2.5 | |
| Jose Urquidy | HOU | SP | 4 | 1.5 | 2.5 | |
| Kenta Maeda | MIN | SP | 16 | 13.5 | 2.5 | |
| Jack Flaherty | STL | SP | 24 | 21.5 | 2.5 | |
| Tyler Glasnow | TB | SP | 15 | 12.6 | 2.4 | |
| Jameson Taillon | NYY | SP | 2 | -0.4 | 2.4 | |
| Jorge Soler | KC | OF | 9 | 6.6 | 2.4 | |
| Paul DeJong | STL | SS | 9 | 6.7 | 2.3 | |
| Bryce Harper | PHI | OF | 30 | 27.8 | 2.2 | |
| Ryan McMahon | COL | 1B/2B/ 3B | 4 | 1.9 | 2.1 | |
| Mike Trout | LAA | OF | 36 | 34.0 | 2.0 | |
| Freddy Peralta | MIL | SP | 3 | 1.0 | 2.0 | |
| Dinelson Lamet | SD | SP | 15 | 13.1 | 1.9 | |
| Kris Bryant | CHC | 3B | 10 | 8.1 | 1.9 | |
| Nick Solak | TEX | 2B/OF | 10 | 8.1 | 1.9 | |
| Devin Williams | MIL | RP | 8 | 6.1 | 1.9 | |
| Brad Hand | WSH | RP | 11 | 9.2 | 1.8 | |
| Mark Melancon | SD | RP | 2 | 0.4 | 1.6 | |
| Nelson Cruz | MIN | DH | 13 | 11.4 | 1.6 | |
| James Paxton | SEA | SP | 3 | 1.4 | 1.6 | |
| Xander Bogaerts | BOS | SS | 26 | 24.5 | 1.5 | |
| Miguel Sano | MIN | 1B | 10 | 8.6 | 1.4 | |
| Christian Yelich | MIL | OF | 33 | 31.6 | 1.4 | |
| Nick Wittgren | CLE | RP | 3 | 1.7 | 1.3 | |
| Matt Bush | TEX | RP | 1 | -0.3 | 1.3 | |
| Willi Castro | DET | SS/3B | 2 | 0.7 | 1.3 | |
| Greg Holland | KC | RP | 3 | 1.7 | 1.3 | |
| Ketel Marte | ARI | 2B | 17 | 15.8 | 1.2 | |
| Trevor Story | COL | SS | 36 | 34.9 | 1.1 | |
| Rowan Wick | CHC | RP | 1 | -0.1 | 1.1 | |
| Stefan Crichton | ARI | RP | 1 | 0.2 | 0.8 | |
| Luis Robert | CHW | OF | 27 | 26.3 | 0.7 | |
| Anthony Santander | BAL | OF | 12 | 11.3 | 0.7 | |
| Griffin Canning | LAA | SP | 3 | 2.3 | 0.7 | |
| George Springer | TOR | OF | 22 | 21.3 | 0.7 | |
| Starlin Castro | WSH | 2B | 1 | 0.3 | 0.7 | |
| Salvador Perez | KC | C | 11 | 10.3 | 0.7 | |
| Alex Colome | MIN | RP | 5 | 4.4 | 0.6 | |
| Luke Voit | NYY | 1B | 6 | 5.4 | 0.6 | |
| Anthony Rendon | LAA | 3B | 21 | 20.5 | 0.5 | |
| Blake Treinen | LAD | RP | 1 | 0.5 | 0.5 | |
| Paul Goldschmidt | STL | 1B | 13 | 12.5 | 0.5 | |
| Lance Lynn | CHW | SP | 16 | 15.6 | 0.4 | |
| Ke’Bryan Hayes | PIT | 3b | 11 | 10.6 | 0.4 | |
| Cristian Pache | ATL | OF | 1 | 0.6 | 0.4 | |
| Sean Murphy | OAK | C | 5 | 4.6 | 0.4 | |
| Chris Paddack | SD | SP | 11 | 10.7 | 0.3 | |
| Trea Turner | WSH | SS | 34 | 33.7 | 0.3 | |
| Sean Manaea | OAK | SP | 3 | 2.8 | 0.2 | |
| Ozzie Albies | ATL | 2B | 25 | 24.8 | 0.2 | |
| Rafael Montero | SEA | RP | 7 | 6.9 | 0.1 | |
| Yadier Molina | STL | C | 1 | 1.0 | 0.0 | |
| Trey Mancini | BAL | 1B/OF | 5 | 5.0 | 0.0 | |
| Alex Reyes | STL | RP | 3 | 3.1 | -0.1 | |
| Yu Darvish | SD | SP | 26 | 26.1 | -0.1 | |
| Jose Ramirez | CLE | 3B | 33 | 33.1 | -0.1 | |
| Frankie Montas | OAK | SP | 6 | 6.2 | -0.2 | |
| Edwin Diaz | NYM | RP | 14 | 14.2 | -0.2 | |
| Danny Jansen | TOR | C | 1 | 1.2 | -0.2 | |
| Starling Marte | MIA | OF | 17 | 17.2 | -0.2 | |
| Joely Rodriguez | TEX | RP | 0 | 0.3 | -0.3 | |
| Jordan Montgomery | NYY | SP | 5 | 5.3 | -0.3 | |
| Adam Ottavino | BOS | RP | 1 | 1.3 | -0.3 | |
| Willson Contreras | CHC | C | 7 | 7.4 | -0.4 | |
| David Peralta | ARI | OF | 0 | 0.4 | -0.4 | |
| Spencer Turnbull | DET | SP | 0 | 0.4 | -0.4 | |
| DJ LeMahieu | NYY | 1B/2B/ 3B | 23 | 23.4 | -0.4 | |
| Kenley Jansen | LAD | RP | 11 | 11.4 | -0.4 | |
| Eugenio Suarez | CIN | 3B | 15 | 15.4 | -0.4 | |
| Drew Pomeranz | SD | RP | 2 | 2.4 | -0.4 | |
| Marcus Stroman | NYM | SP | 5 | 5.5 | -0.5 | |
| Archie Bradley | PHI | RP | 1 | 1.5 | -0.5 | |
| Josh Donaldson | MIN | 3B | 9 | 9.5 | -0.5 | |
| Bryan Reynolds | PIT | OF | 3 | 3.5 | -0.5 | |
| Whit Merrifield | KC | 2B/OF | 19 | 19.5 | -0.5 | |
| Hector Neris | PHI | RP | 4 | 4.5 | -0.5 | |
| Chris Sale | BOS | SP | 1 | 1.6 | -0.6 | |
| Joakim Soria | ARI | RP | 4 | 4.6 | -0.6 | |
| Franmil Reyes | CLE | DH | 13 | 13.6 | -0.6 | |
| Freddie Freeman | ATL | 1B | 31 | 31.6 | -0.6 | |
| Wilson Ramos | DET | C | 1 | 1.7 | -0.7 | |
| Alex Bregman | HOU | 3B | 23 | 23.8 | -0.8 | |
| David Fletcher | LAA | 2B/SS/ 3B | 6 | 6.8 | -0.8 | |
| Corbin Burnes | MIL | SP | 12 | 12.9 | -0.9 | |
| Matt Barnes | BOS | RP | 4 | 5.1 | -1.1 | |
| Chris Martin | ATL | RP | 2 | 3.2 | -1.2 | |
| Mitch Garver | MIN | C | -1 | 0.2 | -1.2 | |
| Yimi Garcia | MIA | RP | 0 | 1.3 | -1.3 | |
| Colin Moran | PIT | 1B | 0 | 1.3 | -1.3 | |
| Amir Garrett | CIN | RP | 3 | 4.3 | -1.3 | |
| Jonathan Schoop | DET | 2B | 1 | 2.4 | -1.4 | |
| Ian Happ | CHC | OF | 9 | 10.4 | -1.4 | |
| Giovanny Gallegos | STL | RP | 1 | 2.4 | -1.4 | |
| Marcus Semien | TOR | SS | 14 | 15.5 | -1.5 | |
| Luis Castillo | CIN | SP | 21 | 22.5 | -1.5 | |
| Michael Pineda | MIN | SP | 1 | 2.5 | -1.5 | |
| Didi Gregorius | PHI | SS | 10 | 11.7 | -1.7 | |
| Nathan Eovaldi | BOS | SP | 6 | 7.7 | -1.7 | |
| Kyle Hendricks | CHC | SP | 9 | 10.7 | -1.7 | |
| Andres Gimenez | CLE | 2B/SS/ 3B | 11 | 12.7 | -1.7 | |
| Aaron Bummer | CHW | RP | 1 | 2.8 | -1.8 | |
| Marcell Ozuna | ATL | OF | 23 | 24.8 | -1.8 | |
| Dylan Carlson | STL | OF | 6 | 7.8 | -1.8 | |
| Fernando Tatis Jr. | SD | SS | 39 | 40.8 | -1.8 | |
| Reyes Moronta | SF | RP | 0 | 1.8 | -1.8 | |
| Joc Pederson | CHC | OF | 2 | 3.9 | -1.9 | |
| Anthony Bass | MIA | RP | 1 | 2.9 | -1.9 | |
| Tanner Scott | BAL | RP | 2 | 3.9 | -1.9 | |
| Brandon Belt | SF | 1B | 0 | 1.9 | -1.9 | |
| Joey Gallo | TEX | OF | 7 | 9.0 | -2.0 | |
| Carlos Santana | KC | 1B | 0 | 2.0 | -2.0 | |
| Juan Soto | WSH | OF | 39 | 41.0 | -2.0 | |
| Chad Green | NYY | RP | 1 | 3.0 | -2.0 | |
| Hunter Renfroe | BOS | OF | 2 | 4.1 | -2.1 | |
| Raisel Iglesias | LAA | RP | 11 | 13.1 | -2.1 | |
| Ronald Acuna Jr. | ATL | OF | 45 | 47.1 | -2.1 | |
| Jared Walsh | LAA | 1B | -2 | 0.2 | -2.2 | |
| Trevor Rosenthal | OAK | RP | 4 | 6.2 | -2.2 | |
| Josh Naylor | CLE | OF | 1 | 3.2 | -2.2 | |
| Stephen Strasburg | WSH | SP | 9 | 11.2 | -2.2 | |
| Corey Dickerson | MIA | OF | -2 | 0.2 | -2.2 | |
| Christian Vazquez | BOS | C | 7 | 9.3 | -2.3 | |
| Ryan Mountcastle | BAL | 1B/OF | 10 | 12.3 | -2.3 | |
| Mark Canha | OAK | OF | 2 | 4.3 | -2.3 | |
| Brandon Woodruff | MIL | SP | 20 | 22.3 | -2.3 | |
| Mookie Betts | LAD | OF | 37 | 39.3 | -2.3 | |
| Tarik Skubal | DET | SP | -1 | 1.4 | -2.4 | |
| Adam Eaton | CHW | OF | -2 | 0.4 | -2.4 | |
| Austin Riley | ATL | 3B | 8 | 10.4 | -2.4 | |
| Scott Barlow | KC | RP | -1 | 1.4 | -2.4 | |
| Tanner Rainey | WSH | RP | 0 | 2.5 | -2.5 | |
| Yuli Gurriel | HOU | 1B | 5 | 7.6 | -2.6 | |
| Diego Castillo | TB | RP | 3 | 5.6 | -2.6 | |
| Josh Hader | MIL | RP | 15 | 17.7 | -2.7 | |
| Kyle Tucker | HOU | OF | 19 | 21.7 | -2.7 | |
| Mitch Haniger | SEA | OF | -2 | 0.7 | -2.7 | |
| Daniel Bard | COL | RP | 3 | 5.8 | -2.8 | |
| Lourdes Gurriel Jr. | TOR | OF | 14 | 16.8 | -2.8 | |
| Rhys Hoskins | PHI | 1B | 8 | 10.8 | -2.8 | |
| Walker Buehler | LAD | SP | 24 | 26.9 | -2.9 | |
| Daniel Hudson | WSH | RP | -2 | 0.9 | -2.9 | |
| Andrew Benintendi | KC | OF | -2 | 0.9 | -2.9 | |
| Andrelton Simmons | MIN | SS | 0 | 2.9 | -2.9 | |
| Kevin Gausman | SF | SP | 12 | 14.9 | -2.9 | |
| Gavin Lux | LAD | 2B | 1 | 4.0 | -3.0 | |
| Michael Kopech | CHW | RP | -1 | 2.0 | -3.0 | |
| Josh Bell | WSH | 1B | 8 | 11.0 | -3.0 | |
| Kyle Seager | SEA | 3B | 1 | 4.1 | -3.1 | |
| Jorge Polanco | MIN | SS | 7 | 10.1 | -3.1 | |
| Jake Diekman | OAK | RP | 0 | 3.1 | -3.1 | |
| Gary Sanchez | NYY | C | 4 | 7.2 | -3.2 | |
| Clayton Kershaw | LAD | SP | 16 | 19.2 | -3.2 | |
| Trevor May | NYM | RP | 2 | 5.3 | -3.3 | |
| Rafael Devers | BOS | 3B | 27 | 30.3 | -3.3 | |
| Tyler Duffey | MIN | RP | -2 | 1.3 | -3.3 | |
| Jordan Romano | TOR | RP | 2 | 5.3 | -3.3 | |
| Max Scherzer | WSH | SP | 21 | 24.4 | -3.4 | |
| Chris Taylor | LAD | 2B/SS/ OF | -3 | 0.4 | -3.4 | |
| Blake Snell | SD | SP | 16 | 19.4 | -3.4 | |
| Jordan Hicks | STL | RP | 2 | 5.4 | -3.4 | |
| Aroldis Chapman | NYY | RP | 14 | 17.4 | -3.4 | |
| Emmanuel Clase | CLE | RP | -1 | 2.4 | -3.4 | |
| Emilio Pagan | SD | RP | 2 | 5.4 | -3.4 | |
| Alejandro Kirk | TOR | C | -3 | 0.4 | -3.4 | |
| Jose Berrios | MIN | SP | 13 | 16.4 | -3.4 | |
| J.A. Happ | MIN | SP | -3 | 0.5 | -3.5 | |
| Rafael Dolis | TOR | RP | -2 | 1.5 | -3.5 | |
| A.J. Minter | ATL | RP | -2 | 1.5 | -3.5 | |
| Cesar Hernandez | CLE | 2B | 2 | 5.5 | -3.5 | |
| Jose Alvarado | PHI | RP | 0 | 3.6 | -3.6 | |
| Ryan Pressly | HOU | RP | 9 | 12.6 | -3.6 | |
| Mike Minor | KC | SP | 0 | 3.7 | -3.7 | |
| Josh Staumont | KC | RP | -1 | 2.7 | -3.7 | |
| Kyle Schwarber | WSH | OF | 8 | 11.7 | -3.7 | |
| Will Smith | LAD | C | 4 | 7.7 | -3.7 | |
| Randy Arozarena | TB | OF | 19 | 22.8 | -3.8 | |
| Lance McCullers Jr. | HOU | SP | 9 | 12.8 | -3.8 | |
| Craig Kimbrel | CHC | RP | 4 | 7.9 | -3.9 | |
| Gregory Soto | DET | RP | -1 | 2.9 | -3.9 | |
| Yusei Kikuchi | SEA | SP | -1 | 2.9 | -3.9 | |
| Giancarlo Stanton | NYY | DH | 12 | 15.9 | -3.9 | |
| Alex Verdugo | BOS | OF | 12 | 15.9 | -3.9 | |
| Jose Quintana | LAA | SP | -2 | 2.0 | -4.0 | |
| Jake Odorizzi | HOU | SP | 3 | 7.0 | -4.0 | |
| Kolten Wong | MIL | 2B | 3 | 7.0 | -4.0 | |
| Aaron Hicks | NYY | OF | 2 | 6.1 | -4.1 | |
| Anthony Rizzo | CHC | 1B | 12 | 16.2 | -4.2 | |
| Jake McGee | SF | RP | 2 | 6.3 | -4.3 | |
| Ian Kennedy | TEX | RP | -4 | 0.3 | -4.3 | |
| Adalberto Mondesi | KC | SS | 16 | 20.3 | -4.3 | |
| Travis d’Arnaud | ATL | C | 5 | 9.4 | -4.4 | |
| Zack Wheeler | PHI | SP | 9 | 13.4 | -4.4 | |
| Mike Moustakas | CIN | 1B/2B | 12 | 16.5 | -4.5 | |
| Max Kepler | MIN | OF | 8 | 12.5 | -4.5 | |
| C.J. Cron | COL | 1B | 0 | 4.5 | -4.5 | |
| Patrick Corbin | WSH | SP | 8 | 12.5 | -4.5 | |
| Trevor Bauer | LAD | SP | 23 | 27.5 | -4.5 | |
| Shohei Ohtani | LAA | DH | 5 | 9.6 | -4.6 | |
| Lucas Sims | CIN | RP | -1 | 3.6 | -4.6 | |
| Victor Robles | WSH | OF | 9 | 13.7 | -4.7 | |
| Liam Hendriks | CHW | RP | 12 | 16.7 | -4.7 | |
| Darwinzon Hernandez | BOS | RP | -3 | 1.7 | -4.7 | |
| Joe Musgrove | SD | SP | 7 | 11.7 | -4.7 | |
| AJ Pollock | LAD | OF | 2 | 6.8 | -4.8 | |
| Shane Bieber | CLE | SP | 30 | 34.8 | -4.8 | |
| Michael Brantley | HOU | OF | 7 | 11.9 | -4.9 | |
| Matt Wisler | SF | RP | -4 | 0.9 | -4.9 | |
| Jean Segura | PHI | 2B/3B | 2 | 7.0 | -5.0 | |
| Will Smith | ATL | RP | 3 | 8.0 | -5.0 | |
| Corey Kluber | NYY | SP | 4 | 9.0 | -5.0 | |
| Raimel Tapia | COL | OF | 5 | 10.0 | -5.0 | |
| J.B. Wendelken | OAK | RP | -3 | 2.2 | -5.2 | |
| German Marquez | COL | SP | 6 | 11.2 | -5.2 | |
| Brusdar Graterol | LAD | RP | -2 | 3.3 | -5.3 | |
| Tommy Pham | SD | OF | 8 | 13.4 | -5.4 | |
| Zack Greinke | HOU | SP | 6 | 11.4 | -5.4 | |
| Cody Bellinger | LAD | 1B/OF | 33 | 38.5 | -5.5 | |
| Elvis Andrus | OAK | SS | -4 | 1.6 | -5.6 | |
| Eduardo Rodriguez | BOS | SP | -1 | 4.6 | -5.6 | |
| Jesse Winker | CIN | OF | 4 | 9.7 | -5.7 | |
| Lorenzo Cain | MIL | OF | -2 | 3.7 | -5.7 | |
| Garrett Crochet | CHW | RP | 0 | 5.8 | -5.8 | |
| Peter Fairbanks | TB | RP | 1 | 6.8 | -5.8 | |
| Nick Senzel | CIN | OF | 0 | 5.8 | -5.8 | |
| Gerrit Cole | NYY | SP | 28 | 33.9 | -5.9 | |
| Drew Smyly | ATL | SP | 0 | 5.9 | -5.9 | |
| J.T. Realmuto | PHI | C | 14 | 20.1 | -6.1 | |
| Taylor Rogers | MIN | RP | 2 | 8.3 | -6.3 | |
| Carlos Correa | HOU | SS | 10 | 16.3 | -6.3 | |
| Carlos Carrasco | NYM | SP | -1 | 5.7 | -6.7 | |
| Andrew Heaney | LAA | SP | 4 | 10.8 | -6.8 | |
| Justin Upton | LAA | OF | -2 | 5.0 | -7.0 | |
| Justin Turner | LAD | 3B | 8 | 15.2 | -7.2 | |
| Alec Bohm | PHI | 1B/3B | 11 | 18.5 | -7.5 | |
| Andrew McCutchen | PHI | OF | 2 | 9.5 | -7.5 | |
| Byron Buxton | MIN | OF | 10 | 17.6 | -7.6 | |
| Matthew Boyd | DET | SP | 0 | 7.8 | -7.8 | |
| Aaron Judge | NYY | OF | 15 | 22.9 | -7.9 | |
| Jeff McNeil | NYM | 2B/3B/ OF | 10 | 18.0 | -8.0 | |
| Eddie Rosario | CLE | OF | 11 | 19.2 | -8.2 | |
| Vladimir Guerrero Jr. | TOR | 1B | 16 | 24.4 | -8.4 | |
| Joey Votto | CIN | 1B | 0 | 9.0 | -9.0 | |
| Charlie Morton | ATL | SP | 6 | 15.4 | -9.4 | |
| J.D. Martinez | BOS | DH | 11 | 21.7 | -10.7 | |
| Robbie Ray | TOR | SP | -2 | 9.0 | -11.0 | |
| Jacob deGrom | NYM | SP | 26 | 37.5 | -11.5 | |
| Nick Madrigal | CHW | 2B | 3 | 14.6 | -11.6 | |
| Gleyber Torres | NYY | SS | 14 | 26.1 | -12.1 | |
| Corey Seager | LAD | SS | 19 | 33.1 | -14.1 | |
| Jose Altuve | HOU | 2B | 9 | 23.6 | -14.6 |
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Strong post, J-Foh!!
That’s all for now…
@Eric the Red: Thanks for the read!
I hear Rudy was actually the cameraman O’Reilly saved in the Falklands War
That was back in my pre-teen revolutionary days
@Rudy Gamble: Rudy the Radical
@Rudy Gamble: oh and did I nail your drink of choice for writing fantasy?
I do like hibiscus mint iced tea but I drink an s-ton of coffee and iced tea
@Rudy Gamble: me too on the coffee and tea, my gets the Luzianne tea from Texas to make the best iced tea.
but seriously, try the hot hibiscus with honey and tequila when you have a cold.
@Sky: a war like that changes a man
You didn’t hear Admiral Ackbar screaming “It’s a TRAP!”
Just like how long it took to scroll down to post
I like Wong, trying to figure out what round (in a 14 team keeper 6×6 standard 5×5 plus XBH and QS) to draft him. Somewhere inbetween G&R’s projected seems like I should target him rounds 6-8.
@Birdmann: I wouldn’t pass up better stats but if it’s close hes your guy
How should I view Mike Fiers in a 10-team league? He’d be my No. 4 SP, but I have my doubts. Should I?
@Eric the Red: depends, in roto with a strong pen I like it but I want at least a closer or two before I draft him. Also depends on how the room is valuing starting pitching.
@J-FOH: I have secured both Koji and Cishek, along with Greinke, Teheran and Iwakuma.
My other question would be whether to snag Jose Fernandez late in the draft before taking a No. 3 RP (Benoit).
Thanks for the assist(s)!
@Eric the Red: In redraft I’m not touching JoFer this year. Let someone else deal with that. With the three you have I would grab Friers first, you’re going to be a little light on K’s with that group. I would also target Quintana or Shoemaker as your SP5. BTW is Richards off the board?
@J-FOH:
Yes, he’s off the board. I’ll scour for K’s. Thanks again.
@Eric the Red: Hitchinson
“Funnzies.” Like Funyuns but with more lint. The player name search works great on this, good job to all involved. So, Grey doesn’t believe in negative $$ amounts but Rudy will go minus -20 bean on a Houston catcher? Cold hearted… p.p.s. Hank Conger is Asian?
@de nachos: funnzies is like a laid back care free fonzie less the macho swagger
Good stuff. Been poring over both set of rankings and researching the discrepancies to form my own conclusions. I also use Lindy’s as a 3rd set of eyes. Throw in a little JB pitcher ranks, mix it around and viola…fantasy gold.
Kinda think this is the year Walker figures it out. Ms fan so a little biased but also follow them closer than most. Played great down the stretch last year and carried over to this spring. Working on a new pitch, slider, and it’s a beast. Ditched the cutter which was only meh. Pitch grades out very close to Hughes slider and look what he did with it last year. It’s slower than the cut and that helps the fastball and split/change speed differentials. He’s got 2 plus pitches already so when he gets the slider dialed in watch out. Think he earns the 5th spot and rolls.
@Regan: If we only look at his Septemeber we can be over emphasizing a 3 game start month. It really depends on league size, format, strategies. I wouldn’t pass on Quintana for him but when a guy throws that hard and is in that home park we have to be intrigued. The SwStr% was pretty average so hopefully that new pitch will help this
Love this post. Can we get a column with “average” rank of Grey/Rudy? I have some players I agree more with one than the other, but I feel like if I want to a draft with the ave rank of the two of them, I’d use my gut in either direction from the players I agreed more with Grey or more with Rudy…
@titan: your gut is what makes it your team. We all have guys we like. We just need to use these two to check ourselves to make sure we aren’t buying everything with rose colored glasses.
I can ask Rudy for an average ranking between the two.
Is there a place I can see Rudy’s rankings by themselves in a chart like the top 400? Nie post, thanks!
@c0wfunk: oh and thanks for the kind words, and BTW love that avi? where did you get that ?
Can anyone help me out with draft strategy? I’ve never played fantasy before so I’m a little clueless. But the league I’m in is 12-team 6×6 roto with the extra categories being hits and quality starts. The rosters are 5 outfielders, 2 utilities, 3 SP, 2 RP, 2 P, and 4 bench spots. So do I basically just draft hitters normally with extra weight on players with high batting average? And then do I more or less punt RPs? I was thinking of filling up on starters even into the bench and then just getting two mid- to low-level closers just to rack up saves. Any help would be great as I pretty much have no idea what I’m doing.
@Connor: with XBH you definitely want to look at slugging and ISO to help you out. Two closer is fine for now with a look at situations as the season goes on. We are always a great help on that every day, so be here every morning with your cup of coffee and read grey like its your bible. Is this a innings limit or game starts league? that will help me help you with a pitching strategy.
@J-FOH: Well the extra hitting category is just hits not XBH’s. And I don’t believe there’s any limit for pitchers. Looking at the settings the only limit I see on pitchers is 200 games started (i.e. none).
@Connor: my bad. Then treat hitting the same. In game starts you should load up on high k/9 pen arms like wade Davis, boxberger, Andrew miller, betances, chapman. Then draft about 5 SP and stream thru the year out of free gent pool. We have our stream o nater tool here that is really useful and if you are stuck ask in greys column during the week so we can help you along the way. We’ll win this thing
@J-FOH: I love the confidence. And I hate taking up so much of your time but I have one last set of queries. What do you mean when you say “In game starts.” If I’m drafting 5 starters, how many RP’s do I draft since I only have 4 bench spots? And I’m I streaming starters or RP’s every day?
@Connor: starters you stream but not every day. “game starts” means your starters can only total 200 game starts on the season but you can have as may relief pitcher innings as you want.
No worries about our tme, I’m happy to always help newbies to this and we all are. This is why I do what I do
Looking forward to the draft tonight…figure it’ll be practice for my real league…
@royce!: oh so I’m batting practice?
@J-FOH: I’m hoping I’m not Chris Young
@royce!: extra krispy or exta tall-y?
Last weekend I criticized Arenado to Grey due to his terrible road numbers but I just got through checking out other Rockies’ splits and holy effing hell, they were nearly all just terrible on the road…Cargo hit .160 while hitting .336 at home! Rosario was around the same. Seems you’d have to bench any Rockies hitter for away games, which could be argument for avoiding them, but if you had a streaming spot in a shallow league, you could be golden.
@royce!: so many things depend on league and bench size. I used to split good players when I had a deeper bench.
Duped or not. You nailed it. I like the “what are you thinking” moments. RB needs more FOH.
@Baezaworldseries: thanks buddy, good to see one of the razznasty guys come by and say high. Its always fun looking at these two side by side
12 team h2h category league. obp replaces average and xbh is 6th stat. I’m only allowed 4 keepers. I’m keeping bautista, Goldschmidt, and rizzo. I traded corey kluber and george springer for Anthony rendon. If his knee is worse then now before draft I can still keep starling marte. Was this an over pay on my part or great way to upgrade my team? Thanks for your advice.
@Jared: tough call there, I actually prefer springer in a keeper h2h. I would still take rendon over marte regardless of knee. Its a keeper
@J-FOH: I should say that my keeper league resets every 5 years and all players are released into the player pool. And each year after you get to keep 1 additional keeper. So this years keepers are really only keepers for this year and next then they are all returned to player pool.
@Jared: then go marte if you are worried about the knee
Sorry actually this is final year of keepers. All players returned to pool at end of year .
Great article. It’s like debating Pacquiao vs Mayweather – Grey’s aggression and KO power against Rudy’s defensive prowess and precision. At least this battle is on while both experts are on their games…
How is Blackmon your ADP steal? Could’ve had him in the 9th…
@Big Magoo: Do you take The Devirginator (OTS) in the 6th if he’s still there?
@Big Magoo: Blackmon went later in other drafts and yes you jacked me. I should of used under valued instead of steal. I know how much we like the 5 tool and 5 tool lite players
@J-FOH: 5 cat player who plays half of his games at Coors? Methinks the regression police are being a bit too harsh in this case.
@Big Magoo: like when ward was too hard on the beaver last night
Nice work, JFOH. I like using both sets of rankings, especially later in the draft. Always nice to see a guy that Grey likes late appear in a high-ish spot in Rudy’s rankings.
Like having Rudy’s rankings open when I’m drafting my H2H (OBP & AVG) league too…
@SteveNZ: IPA reco…Stone Delicious
@Wake Up: That sounds real good – so much US stuff we don’t get here unfortunately.
@SteveNZ: No Stone in NZ? They seem ubiquitous in the states, so I figured they made it out there, especially because Green Flash has.
@royce!: I’ve not seen it in my local craft stockist – maybe I need to dig around in the cooler a bit more…
@SteveNZ: have you thought of home brewing?
@SteveNZ: Thanks good buddy, for once, this is the best of both worlds
I feel like Elaine with Jerry, George and Kramer walking up on one side, and Kevin, Gene and Feldman on the other…The way Rudy approaches his drafts really makes me go wop bom a loo mop a lomp bam boom, oh Rudy! Wealth of knowledge that guy is. But Grey has….he has….ummm….a ballsy nutsack filled with stick-to-it-iveness? Yeah ill roll with that. I’m staying Switzerland on this one. Call me Switz Beats. Unless you are an option, JFoh. I choo choo choose you! Moobs and Shane Greene for everyone!
@nick the dick: its ok to be torn as long as you’re not hanging with bania or whatley then you are all good here
@J-FOH: oh and snagged Blackmon as my 4th OF. Zing!
@nick the dick: I have to wonder if this post would be blasphemy for some. The comments tomorrow will be interesting. I hope torches and pitchforks dont come out
@J-FOH: “Just a fly in the ointment, JFOH, a monkey in the wrench, a pain in the ass.”
Great stuff as usual, Mr. FOH!
@Happy Vegans: thanks Mr Meat
@J-FOH:HA! Actually, a bacon cheeseburger sounds effin’ awesome right now.
Keep up the good work, sir.
@Happy Vegans: thanks buddy, maybe one day we can go out for garden burgers or kung pao tofu
@J-FOH: Awesome! Maybe after my season (which should be about 3 or 4 weeks in), you can teach me the tao of FBB, Master JFOH of the 5-finger death thrust monkey style Razzarian.
@Happy Vegans: it will probably be how to smooth talk a waitress into being ok with a 5% tip.
@J-FOH: youre fully equipped to take on the masses and emerge unscathed. Your Frankenstein build helps too. You always keep it real, thats why youre my guy! Tomorrow might be when keeping it real goes wrong but it all just boils down to skunk beard jealousy…..just drafted in Ralphs RCL and it went very well. Nice to see you and Rudy talking up Bryant, Harvey and Richards below, got all 3 of them tonight. Getting 2nd pick for some Giancarlo action sure helped! And went Scherzer for a bonafide ace as insurance for Harvey and Richards. Went heavy reliever this time to really try the strategy you talked about in the FCL draft too.
@nick the dick: HA I drafted tonight, actually still am and got Giancarlo and Mad Max
@J-FOH: Nice, great beards think alike. Feels like a warm blanket having Giancarlo and Max anchoring my offense and pitching. I’ve been semi-switching it up draft to draft to see what will work the best. Slew of different guys on each team and somehow like each squad in its own way. We shall see…Tonight got an OF of Stanton, Cespedes, Ozuna, Blackmon, Rajai. That shit is tasty.
@nick the dick: we’re dick bros
Good to see you back at the keypad Hatred!
@Wake Up: thank wake, I had a rough February
@J-FOH: Hopefully this helps…Grey just told me about a dream he had…involving you and TC…he said there was mud and a pig with two backs…and you ended up with a pet pomeranian named Jackson Cockhate!
@Wake Up: Yes I saw it but like your version of the story better. I call him Crofty for short
@J-FOH: I thought Crofty works for Sky…
@Wake Up: sssshhhhhhh
@J-FOH: David Croft…
@Wake Up: Croft Superstars?
Good stuff Jack. Positional scarcity is something I struggle with rationalizing. On one hand, you have Rudy saying (I think) to hell with it, take the best player available regardless of position. On the other hand, he likes Gattis because of the potentially superior numbers he could provide at a scarce position. I think he struggles in the AL, bats .245 like most catchers and chips in a few more HR’s than most C’s. But point being, ohhh….I forgot. Something, something, catchers what?
@Cram It: uh 30 homeruns and 600 AB’s from any player is huge. Since he wont be catching usually he should have more AB’s. at the end of it all numbers are numbers regardless where they are in your lineup
@J-FOH: 600 ab for evan gattis? I’d bet against that all day, and twice today, which is sunday.
@Cram It: Forget about the catcher thing. He’s a top 15 HR hitter, isn’t he?
Nice MR pickup btw…
Gattis is valued where he is based solely on his projected stats – the fact he is a catcher has maybe a 1-2 dollar impact. I am not drafting him mainly because I prefer to wait on catchers and don’t trust he’ll stay healthy
@Rudy Gamble: but like Tulo and CarGo you have to take a shot on those guys if the value is there. I take this as a risk reward game with a few draft picks and I like the risk with him.
@J-FOH: eh, I have been burned too much at catcher. Would take a huge discount. I don’t like gambling on a Tulo or cargo but I take my gambles throughout – guys like harvey or Bryant that I feel are being undervalued for irrational reasons
@Rudy Gamble: Ive been warming on Bryant, partially your fault. Harvey for sure, what about Richards?
My take on Gattis is he is a position player who happens to be catcher eligible this year, like Santana in Yahoo
But Santana had solid health, good OBP, and job security. Gattis is an atrocious fielder so OF leash is short. On same team as Chris Carter so DH time isn’t guaranteed. Richards is very good but see him as an SP3. I like my SP3 to be NL though took smyly in NFBC
@Rudy Gamble: I took smyly on friday night in FCL. I read a nice article on approach in Tampa and his naturally rising fastball. He was such a good value I couldn’t pass him up. I’m all in on Ryu this year. How about you?
@J-FOH: I liked that Smyly pick I was gonna grab him. No such thing as a rising fastball though. Physically impossible Hatred!
@Wake Up: hahaha, the voodoo that they doodoo
Keeper rosters came out this morning (each team must keep 10) 15 team 6×6 obp roto-which team has the advantage rolling into the draft? Thanks.
Team A
V-Mart $17
R.Zimmerman $12
J.Harrison $15
Yelich $6
Choo $8
Cueto $17
Wainwright $25
Kennedy $6
C-Mart $7
Melancon $6
Team B
Lucroy $18
LaRoche $9
A-Rod $1
Altuve $21
Cruz $18
King Felix $36
Cole $6
Chen $11
Heaney $6
Feliz $6
Team C
Big Papi $20
Machado $6
D.Gordon $7
A. Escobar $11
Ozuna $6
CarGomez $20
Puig $11
Kluber $7
Arrieta $15
A.Wood $18
@M: C
@J-FOH: making mom and dad fight again…
I view SP like grey and you seem to, with that said give my your ideal rotation in a 13 team 5×5 league(9P, min 3 RP) in an auction (260 cap) and what dollar amount you would expect to have them( Im usually 70% hitters)??
@JB: I’m more 65/35 but all depends on how others are valuing the arms
Great post fellas! You’re both fantasy gods in my eyes. I always said that no 2 people’s rankings are the same. And for that reason we should use both of their rankings as a foundation when building our own rankings
@Chris: well said
This website ain’t big enough for the both of em’…
am I wrong in saying there’s a bit of a civil war going on here? I can feel the tension all the way in jersey.
Cant really have advice websites that contradict their own advice, it’s bad for business. That would be like a website giving out ratings on stocks, and the website says “well some of us see widget co. as a buy, and some of us analysts have widget co. as a sell…”
it’s a turn off to the reader.
Yahoo had piece where each pert listed their their most over and under valued players for football. And there were several players listed as both over and undervalued based on the particular perts opinion. There’s no take away there, and it makes the writers look silly and less credible.
Rudy start a website bud, time to leave the nest.
@the swinging: you don’t know true beauty when you see it
@nick the dick: well on the players where they differ in their opinion by 10 rounds or more it’s kinda like… huhhh.
It’s fine to disagree on players value. But if ur working on the same advice website, Id like to see a debate between grey and rudy on each player where there are huge differences. This way the reader can gain more than just “let’s just split the difference with latos rankings…”
Podcast on that would be great.
@the swinging: I hear ya. You do get some debate about the differences on players when the banter in the comments, but a Rudy vs Grey podcast would be awesome!
@the swinging::Point being that one site doesn’t need to have a consensus among all the writers. They show many different points of views and strategies which are all valid in certain circumstances. Grey’s statistical analysis mixed with his crazy gut is a great tool to use in unison with Rudy’s stats mixed with more stats mixed with crazy amounts of more stats to get a nice smorgasbord of steady eddies and upside breakout values. If everyone on the site had the same opinions, you could just read one ranking article and take it as the gospel disregarding every other post. Theyre the Oscar and Felix of fantasy. The Jay-Z and R. Kelly. (Sorry Grey, youre Jay-Z). The fact that JFoh also took the time to discuss the differing views between them makes it all the more wonderful when planning your strategy.
@nick the dick: i think when you have a huge difference in opinion in ranking some players, those players should be focused on and debated as to why they are ranked where they are. Would be a benefit for all.
@the swinging: that is kinda the point of this article so it’s a start
@nick the dick: so u mean u agree. Thanks.
@the swinging: I mean I hear what youre saying, not neccisarily agree with all of it. But you said Rudy needs to leave and start his own site. Here, with both Grey and Rudy, the debate between the players ranked far apart can actually happen. And does happen. One site, different views, constant debate, pick your poison. I dont see a thing wrong with that.
@nick the dick: yeh for sure. But they both seem a little afraid of offending one another and stepping on toes. That’s y I said another site for rudy…
But if given a podcast of them discussing the players they have valued furthest apart in their rankings and talk out why they ranked those players where they did that would be optimal (2 heads are better than 1) to the reader who’s logically deducting the players values based on their opinions.
@the swinging: Ehh i dont know about them caring about stepping on eachothers toes, they know they value guys and draft differently. Thats the genius of this article addressing key players they are farther apart on. I do like a G vs R podcast idea for sure, but the wealth of posts and tools they provide can kinda speak on it themselves too.
@the swinging: not to be a dick but…aren’t you the same guy who went on and on about how Darvish was the greatest thing since sliced bread without any acknowledgement that you were absolutely wrong?
@Wake Up: I’m sorry Wake, this is a dick-only zone. Either that comment was intended to be malignant or I must ask you to retract it.
@nick the dick: oh wake can dish it hard, oh yeah real hard
@Wake Up: not sure if I could find greys post, but I ate crow on one of the boards unsolicited. So yes, I did.
@the swinging: “it’s a turn off to the reader” don’t take your inability to think through multiple ways of valuing things and pretend your way or thoughts speak for anybody else. If you’ve ever actually intended to hang out with people who argue and think about things you’d understand that multiple viewpoints is EXACTLY how anything is learned at all. Anybody stupid enough to think their “way/method” of doing something is the only one is simply the definition of a believer (i.e not bright). Go join a religion if you want simple one way answers, leave the thinking to the rest of us. Falsification (which comes from multiple viewpoints) is how any knowledge is even possible. If it offends your delicate sensibilities go join a church, they’ll take the thinking out of your hands, it’s too big a responsibility, clearly.
@the swinging: the beauty of razzball is we are a collection of writers who each play this game a little differently, having writers that fall in lockstep with each other isnt who we are. Some people like Grey’s way and others Rudy, some like the Tehol way and some the Sky way. JB has his own pitcher profile values that differ as well. Being singular in direction is boring and leads to stale interaction. The fact that we are here talking about the differences demonstrates why we are the best site on the net for user interaction. I have made more friends on this site than I have since college. But being all the same leads to no discussion and hence no interaction.
@J-FOH: i dont know I still feel there’s a bit of not wanted to hurt feelings when it comes to the differences in rank. Forget feelings…
I mean rudy and grey practically didn’t even address this post. And didn’t have any replied comments to eachother.
I’m all for multiple points of view, but on very polarizing players like latos and Ross and some others, I want more analysis on how 2 very smart people could be so far apart on their valuation.
@the swinging: they do but in a very light hearted way.
Every year when they do the friends and family league it becomes a weekly RCL post of Grey vs Rudy.
I hope regardless of this you enjoy the site and find something here to help you
@J-FOH: nah I don’t enjoy razzball…
I only visit the site 20 times a day…
I am a huge troll but not Intentionally.
I question and challenge everything (usually with a purpose and in an I tell gent way).
what else is there?
Cool post.
@the swinging: numerous times when Rudy is on podcast with Grey they pretty much argue about players the whole time.
@The Harrow: I read your other response above and I always struggle with playing the church card. I went to catholic school as a child and the old Irish priests always reminded us to read between the lines, find the moral of the story and question if it doesn’t make sense to you. Maybe my take away was different.
In a 14-team salaried keeper league my 3 aces are banged up (Sale, JFern, Richards) and my SP depth is mostly filled with guys who’ve only had one season of fantasy relevance (Duffy, CMart, Hahn, Keuchel, Greene). Spending a little more money on a SP who I can rely on a little more, would you prefer $8.5M on Porcello or $9M on Brandon McCarthy? Previous health issues have me leaning towards Ricky boy, but I can’t seem to feel confident in my choice. Thanks in advance.
@Aaron: McCarthy
Hey RCL writers. I had my RCL draft last night and wanted to hear some thoughts on my team.
C-Grandal
1B- Pujols
2B- Odor
3B- Donaldson
SS- Danny Santana
MI- Jean Segura
CI- LaRoche
OF- Adam Jones
OF- Jason Heyward
OF- Soler
OF AJ Pollock
OF- Dexter Fowler
Util- Kennys Vargas
BE- Michael Saunders
P-Kluber
P- Samardzija
P- David Robertson
P- Hughes
P- McHugh
P- Rondon
P- Eovaldi
P- Cingrani
P- Gregerson
BE- Kelvin Herrera
BE- Sergio Romo
Did I win my league? What do you think? Am I too shallow anywhere?
@Matt: RCL’s aren’t won on draft day but you have a nice start, you will need to create a few fluid spots for streaming and batty calls, but for the most part the core is there and thats all that matters
@J-FOH: I hear ya, thanks for the response. I do really like my team tho I think its real great. Now they just have to perform…
@Matt: I’m not high on Fowler and cingrani, and Eovaldi’s spot should end up being a streamer spot. The most important thing is you like it, nothing worse then starting to self loathe before opening day, that is what week two of the season is for.
Hey J-FOH,
Great stuff. Looking for opinions. 8 team, H2H point based scoring, Keep 15 each year for as long as you want. 1B=1.5pts, 2B=2.5, 3B=3.5, HR=6, RBI=1.5, R,SB,BB=1 each. W=7, L= -2, K=1.5, ER = -1, IP=1.2, QS, CG, SO= 3 each and 10 starts per week . Kept Encarnacion, Rendon, Machado, Baez, C.Gonzalez, Harper, Heyward, Hosmer Price, Cueto, Teheran, Lester, Kluber, Taijuan Walker & Giolito. Any thoughts on where I’m weak, strong and what I should look for in the draft?
Thanks.
@Schwab: @Schwab: speed and average but that’s easy to find. You have some risky guys on offense but that’s the chance you have to take
@J-FOH This might have been previously answered, but is there a table such as this one that has the sum of Grey and Rudy’s rankings along with the difference? If there was a way to extract this spreadsheet, I could do it myself using ninja technology, however I don’t see that option.
@Seekrit Ayjun-mann: yeah I don’t me the tables. Just write the words. What reason for the sum?
@J-FOH: The sum would give me a composite ranking.