If you go through the top pitchers for Wins or Ks or ERA or WHIP, you might see one set of names.  You know the names, Ubaldo, Garcia, Price, Pettitte, Buchholz, Wainwright… The guys that are actually helping you win your league.  Well, I decided to look at some more obscure (depending on your definition of obscure, I suppose) stats and see if maybe they’re giving us a different picture.  Some pitchers that can be had for cheaper or even grabbed off waivers that are pitching well just not yet putting up the numbers in the categories that matter for fantasy.  Yet’s the key word.  The best is yet to come for these pitchers.  Anyway, here’s some pitchers that are pitching well in relative obscurity for fantasy baseball:

Bronson Arroyo – Leads the major leagues in Opponents’ Quality OPS* (OPP_Qual_OPS) with .689.  As defined by BP, not the gas company, “(S)hows you what a pitcher has allowed for average, on-base and slugging rates, but also tells you how those hitters have done against the rest of the league. That way, you can see if a pitcher is struggling against more difficult opponents (or giving up a lot of hits against competition that isn’t that intimidating). Maybe someone has a higher ERA than you are used to seeing, but it’s because they have been facing difficult opponents for two months that have, as expected, raised their batting average or slugging against.”  In English, Arroyo’s been better than his stats.  Also in the top 10 for OPP_Qual_OPS (abbreviate that fast five times!):  Jonathan Sanchez, Lincecum, Leake, Lowe, Medlen, Josh Johnson, Cain, Kershaw, Zito and Latos.  The surprising names pop right out to you.  Leake, Lowe, Medlen and Zito.  Leake and Lowe worry me because their OPP OBP is .331 and .345, respectively.  That means they’re putting players on base.  For what it’s Wuertz, Ubaldo is ranked 47th for OPP_Qual_OPS, just behind Dave Bush.  So obviously this stat is not the end all, but it’s something to consider.  (Oh, and welcome Googlers of Ubaldo + behind + Bush!) *The stat is at Baseball Prospectus and their database is only updated through June 15th, so these stats are two days old.

Felipe Paulino – Ranked 18th overall for Defense Independent ERA (DIPS).  In front of him, from top to Paulino:  Cliff Lee, Liriano, Johnson, Halladay, Lincecum, Wainwright, Ubaldo, Hughes, Ricky Romero, Weaver, Oswalt, Kershaw, Gallardo, Jaime Garcia, Hanson, Cain and Lester.  Besides Romero, you’ll see a lot of the same names at the top of lists like this.  Well, besides Romero AND Paulino. The walks obviously take some of the glimmerino off Felipe.

Brandon Morrow – Tied for first with the best K/9 in baseball with Lincecum and just ahead of Kershaw.

Ted Lilly – Leads the league in lowest amount of run support.  Now there’s a category I would dominate in fantasy.

Justin Masterson – Best GB/FB in the major leagues.  He also has the 2nd best GB%, just behind Tim Hudson.  Put Masterson in front of 4 Ozzie Smiths…Or 8 Jason Donalds that form an impenetrable circle three feet in front of the batter and he’s 3 ERA guy.  And that’s word is bond. (Bringing it back!)

  1. Joe says:

    From last comments….
    Thinking about trading Strasburg. I’m just trying to maximize value, I already have Lincecum, David Price, and Phil Hughes in this weekly league so I can afford to trade Strasburg. I tried to get Teixiera from another team but they declined, Adam Dunn is currently on the table…should I wait a couple more starts you think?

  2. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Joe: Dunn is okay if he’s what you need and not Strasburg, though I can’t imagine in your entire league Dunn is the only guy you can get. Don’t have to wait out more starts, but you should get maximum value.

  3. Doug Ault says:

    @Grey: Ok, let me rephrase it.Who should I keep,Stanton or Boesh? ;-)

  4. (This is a re-post from the previous thread)

    Ouch! Thanks to the afternoon game I was able to watch Ely pitch live here in Europe. He didn’t look good at all.

    So I’m scrapping my trade idea involving sending off Ely. Who’d take him? Is he even rosterable at this point? I have him on my roster in a 20-team league, so the bar is pretty low. But it’s hard to see a place for Ely unless there’s some reason to believe he’ll turn it around. What do you think?

  5. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Enrique: Ely pitched in Europe? I’d bench him for favorable matchups at Dodgers Stadium. Can’t start him anywhere else.

  6. Babish says:

    Have a deal in the works for Liriano… owner wants Colby Lewis plus Andrus. Should I do the deal? I would rather give up an OF (C.Young, D.Young, Pagan, and Pence are my choices, or Andrus).

  7. Mets fan says:

    Grey going foward who would you rather have paulino niese or parra?

  8. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Babish: It’s too much. Lewis and one of your OF besides Krispie would work.

    @Mets fan: Niese…

  9. tHe ShiT says:

    C’mon Twins, start scoring so that u can pick up Liriano!!!

  10. thepizzaman says:

    Did anyone else just see Kemp half ass it and get doubled up? There’s still plenty of time, but I’m pretty pissed I drafted him over guys like Miggy and Longoria

  11. Grey

    Grey says:

    @tHe ShiT: Yeah, that would be nice.

    @thepizzaman: Missed it, but not surprising. Chris Brown never ran anything out, why should he?

  12. thepizzaman says:

    @tHe ShiT: I’m getting tired of Ubaldo being so good

  13. uncdrew says:

    You guys need to keep me honest next year. Each year I draft a solid offensive team and think I can patch together pitching around two anchors. It never works. Next year I gotta change.

    Ely today, Masterson a few days ago. I’m getting rocked.

  14. royce! says:

    Considering that Ely only seems to merit home spot starts against weaker opponents, should I drop him in a 14 team h2h for Pineiro, Arrieta, Francis or Carmona? Pineiro’s xFIP is 3.86.

  15. Stephen says:

    @Grey: His Stephen Drew for my Howie Kendrick in a 20 team league? I have Theriot and can slide him to second.

  16. @Grey: Heh heh. That would be nice. I just enjoy it when I can watch the live feed on MLB.com at a decent hour even with the six-hour time difference compared to the east coast.

    So you wouldn’t drop Ely in a very deep league? You think he’s got some usefulness left in his arm? If I dropped him I’d use the spot to stream SPs. But I like pitchers who don’t walk many people … if you think he’s worth starting at home I’ll probably hang onto him.

    FYI: If Ely pitches every five games, his next three starts are all away: @LAA, @SF, @ARI. Even if they adjusted the schedule some the only home series in that stretch is against the Yanks.

  17. Grey

    Grey says:

    @uncdrew: Depends who you’re patching with, I guess.

    @royce!: Francis…

    @Stephen: You just like the idea of having your namesake on your team… Trade sounds fair for you.

  18. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Enrique: It’s not a great next few starts then.

  19. Stephen says:

    @Grey: I just might. Helps me remember who is all on my team.

  20. Wilsonian says:

    8 Team H2H Keeper (keep 5, only restriction – must keep 3 bats or 3 pitchers). Here’s my roster (which you possibly know by heart now):

    V-Mart, Glaus, Utley, Longo, Andrus, Kemp, CarGo, Krispie, Rasmus, Stanton, B-Up, Wright, Cruz – DL

    Ubaldo, JJ, Doc, Verlander, Dream Weaver, Ervin, Lewis, Aardsma, Crapps, K-Rod, Axford, DLR – DL

    What’s your take on a Kemp for A-Gon deal? I kept Kemp going into this season, but I’m not digging his seemingly lackluster effort lately, but not sure I want to give up on him yet. But I obviously have a decent amount of speed, not that Kemp is stealing, and A-Gon’s average and bombs would look nice in my team’s uniform. What’s your take? Is this a good deal for me, or should I stand pat or shoot lower?

  21. Frank Rizzo says:

    That Masterson shizz was especially creative. Some of your better work. ‘Impenetrable wall 3 feet in front of the batter’ came pretty close to making me ROFL, which I refuse to do because of the germs.

  22. Quimmy says:

    Which side would rather be on here:

    Side A:utley, marcum, barmes
    Side B: mcgahee, andrus, strasburg

    Thank u kindly in advance

  23. Frank Rizzo says:

    How effing good is Miguel Cabrera? Seriously? How effing good? Yeah……he’s that effing good. That is all.

  24. bodymore says:

    Hey Grey, sorry to repost but I think I had the last comment before you switch threads.

    Should I drop Rajai for Borbon? I’m worried Rajai will continue to lose PT because of Conor Jackson. Also, Julio has the better upside and lineup.

    I also am ready to cut ties with Smoak, you were right the other day to say I should have dropped him instead of Quentin. Should I grab Alcidez/Yunel to cover for Furcal (bereavement list, about 2 days gone according to yahoo)? Should I re-grab Quentin if he clears waiver? Or consider Tabata/Milton?

  25. Frank Rizzo says:

    @Grey: Miggy’s off the sauce. His head is clear this year and he’s staring the triple crown squarely in the face.

  26. pjtres says:

    grey…2 more questions for the day. thanks again.

    recently dropped juan rivera…can you rank him, gomes/delmon?

    also, does hoff get the CL gig back?

  27. ScottyM says:

    We should have a stat category for perennial under performers like Nolasco, called ULSOB(UnLucky SOB). I don’t think he’ll ever perform under his xFIP. Then you have the LSOBs like the anti-Nolasco in Matt Cain. I want to play craps with that doode. That MFer never gets beat up despite outperforming his xFIP by over a run every year.

  28. bodymore says:

    Miguel Cabrera is suddenly 27, something easy to forget since he made a splash so young. Yeah, that’s a guy that’s been raking in his low-mid 20s and suddenly in shape at his prime-o age. He’s probably the best in baseball right now.

  29. Grey

    Grey says:

    @bodymore: Drop Smoak for Yunel. I’d consider Tabata. I would keep Rajai.

    @Frank Rizzo: Easily could happen, always have liked him.

    @pjtres: Young… I hope so re: Hoff.

    @ScottyM: Ha, yeah those are pretty good. (And true.)

  30. tHe ShiT says:

    @bodymore: Yup im regretting passing on him 4 overweight Prince… 2nd time Prince takes a shit on my team, guess when the last time was? yup, 2 yrs ago.

  31. tHe ShiT says:

    Miggy is top 5 next year for sure IMO

  32. Long Bawls says:

    So why has nobody even touched on the fact that the reverse of Chris Resop is Sir H.C. Poser (well, really, the reverse of that)? It’s an archvillain name if ever I heard one. My guess is it’s Eric Byrnes enacting an unnecessarily complicated revenge fantasy.

  33. bodymore says:

    @the shit: I rode Prince to a championship his breakout year, and haven’t touched him since.

    @Grey: Thanks sir. Shame that this came up w/ Furcal because it eats a roster spot that I badly need. Thing is, I realized I still need another OF/Util since Vlad will still be getting some days off in NL parks. Do I lose Slowey, Bumgarner, or Morrow? I’m hesitant to cut Corpas b/c who knows if Street will actually stay healthy/effective at this point. Heck, don’t really want to lose any of those guys but what can you do. I think Bumgarner is gonna have an immediate impact given his stuff, stats and division (SSD, the lower, pitcher version of STD, both are nasty though)

    Figure I’ll roll with Tabata but who to cut?

  34. Eric says:

    Dear Grey,

    list your order of preference for the following (for the rest of the season): Medlen, Zambrano, Arroyo, Ervin Santana

  35. Wilsonian says:

    @Grey: out of this roster:

    V-Mart, Glaus, Utley, Longo, Andrus, Kemp, CarGo, Krispie, Rasmus, Stanton, B-Up, Wright, Cruz – DL

    who do you drop for Cruz, assuming he makes the return next week? (I’ve tried the ‘ole 2 for 1 deal in my league, and my league is averse to trading unless they are the CLEAR winner – they all assume if you’re trying to trade, then you hate those guys or know something they don’t)

  36. Probable Party Starter says:

    Yo Grey! I gots one move left on the week for a SP. Morrow at home v the Gigantes? Lowe hosting Royale sans DH? Or Arrieta on Sun @ Petco (I also have Garland there)? I know, not very glamorous, but I’m chasing W’s here!

  37. Frank Rizzo says:

    @bodymore: I don’t mean to come down on you at all because I’ve said/thought it myself, but it’s crazy how this game sometimes warps us a bit. Furcal’s on the bereavement list, that probably means someone close to him is either dead or dying. And it’s an inconvenience to us because it screws with our fantasy team. Crazy stuff.

  38. Frank Rizzo says:

    @Probable Party Starter: I picked up Morrow and the situation seems perfect. San Fran’s not a fantastic hitting team, Toronto is much better hitting at home than away, many of them will be facing Morrow for the 1st time ever, and they’re travelling about as far as a team can go for this series….across 3 time zones. It almost seems to perfect. He’ll probably suck.

  39. hoju says:

    I don’t want like Jeremy Bonderman but he’s making it very difficult on me.

    I was planning on dropping him for Niese today (assuming I win my FAAB auction tonight). Still make the move or drop Takahashi instead?

  40. hoju says:

    On topic question….

    When discussing pitchers, which stats do you rank ahead of others? Generally, does comparing BABIP to career numbers work better than say xFIP or OPP_Qual_OPS or career 1st/2nd half splits??

    There are too many stats and I feel that you can use a number of them to prove anything you want them to.

  41. chrisbenson says:


    can you rank these guys in a keeper league?
    are they even? or what order would you prefer to own theM?

    kemp, upton, fielder, teix, tulo, reyes

  42. Grey

    Grey says:

    @hoju: Lose Takahashi…

    @hoju: Look at it all. Players tend to carry different numbers. The quickest is obviously the xFIP since it correlates to ERA.

    @chrisbenson: Kemp, Justin, Tulo, Fielder….

  43. chrisbenson says:

    thanks man! ive got justin and matt but was getting to question my choices. lol

  44. Nathan says:

    Jesus, Adam Dunn is all kinds of on fire. 6 home runs in 9 games. Sheesh. Every year I love drafting him in the 6-8 round in my OBP league and enjoying 40 HR with no downside. Am I wrong in thinking that in an OBP league, Dunn is basically Ryan Howard on a worse team?

  45. Grey

    Grey says:

    @chrisbenson: No problem.

    @Nathan: I end up drafting Dunn in non-OBP leagues every year. Gotta love The OD (Original Donkey).

    @and1mcgee: Ha! He had a 200,000 chimichanga clause that he ran through.

  46. chrisbenson says:

    also, wells or leblanc?

    sorry/thanks. thats it for the day :)

  47. and1mcgee says:

    @Grey: oooh… do they subtract the $ given to the ball boys for Kirspy Kreme runs?

  48. Doug Ault says:

    @Grey: When does Rios fall back down to earth, or is he for real?

    I just offered him for Utley figuring I had better do it before they each become themselves again

  49. Grey

    Grey says:

    @chrisbenson: LeBlanc (at home), Wells…

    @and1mcgee: Yeah, either that or he was paid the equivalent to running a fantasy baseball blog.

  50. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Doug Ault: I thought he would’ve fell back by now. I’d want Utley.

  51. and1mcgee says:

    @Grey: c’mon, Grey, you’re ballin’!

  52. mr baseball says:

    Hey man I need to stream – which one would work out better

    SF: B. Zito (7-2, 3.10)
    TOR: B. Morrow (4-5, 5.14)

    BAL: B. Matusz (2-7, 4.92)
    SD: W. LeBlanc (4-4, 3.05)

  53. Ciao Grey. In a deal involving under-achievers, would you trade away Quentin for Ian Stewart?

  54. and1mcgee says:

    @mr baseball: LeBlanc is at home, right? then him.

  55. and1mcgee says:

    net production-wise from here on out: Ethier or Guerrero?

  56. mr baseball says:

    I was thinking Morrow should be good for 7 plus K’s and still get the win and not hold the giants to 3 or less runs

  57. and1mcgee says:

    @and1mcgee: which do i target in a trade?

  58. mr baseball says:

    LeBlanc is it – thats why they pay Grey the big money

  59. mr baseball says:


    I thought k was Grey’s midle name

  60. @mr baseball: same choice to make & I went with LeBlanc. Like Mr. Rizzo stated everything just seems too disturbingly perfect for Morrow. Feels like we’re being set up. LeBlanc @ LeHome? I grabbed him and will sleep easy with the choice.

  61. mr baseball says:

    @Grey – mr baseball: Only one though

    Then you Middle name must have been named after Mark Buehrle if there is only 1 K there

  62. mr baseball says:

    The Morrow of th stroy is ______________________________

  63. mr baseball says:

    The Morrow of the story is _________________________

  64. Ozzie says:

    12 team H2H keeper.

    Would like to hear your thoughts on Sean Rodriguez / Beckham for the rest of the year and if trading Rasmus for Zobrist is worth the upgrade from those two. Thanks.

  65. Timequake says:

    I’m trying to pry away Tex. Are Liriano and Ichiro too much to offer?

  66. TheBravesWearPrado says:

    Orioles at Petco this weekend seems like a streamers delight. LeBlanc v. Matusz tomorrow night. I picked up LeBlanc for the spot start.

  67. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Ozzie: I’d take Sean-Rod if he was guaranteed PT. I’d take Zobrist.

    @Timequake: It’s a bit much, yeah.

    @TheBravesWearPrado: Get the hodgepadres while they’re still available.

  68. Chris says:


    Trading Lackey and Markakis for Ricky Romero? Yes?

  69. Nuke LaDouche says:

    My Rios for Josh Johnson? Like it? Think I could get more? Other outfielders are Choo, Ordonez, Byrd, Ethier. I really need a rock solid arm though.

  70. ScottyM says:

    Speaking of Dunn, did anyone see him run over Carlos Santana a couple nights ago. He’s putting the whoopin on the ball and da rook. Dunn seemed surprised at how easily Carlos went down. Big Donkey doesn’t know his own strength. MONSTAR!!!!

    Side note: I’m kinda glad my Dunn/Greinke offer didn’t get accepted for Big Tex 10 days ago. I am enjoying the donkey ride and if Greinke really did find the bite on his slider again by keeping more upright during delivery, I’ll have renewed faith that he can K 9+ per 9 again and get back to CY numbers post ASB.

  71. Nuke LaDouche says:

    One more. Would you drop Niese to pick up Lilly or Morrow?

  72. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Chris: It’s fine, would think you might be able to do a bit better, but I’d only want Romero there.

    @Nuke LaDouche: I’d take Johnson.

    @ScottyM: He eats rooks for breakfast. Followed by a dozen eggs and some Lucky Charms.

    @Nuke LaDouche: Lilly…

  73. Steve says:

    @Grey: Chris Brown might be lazy, but he knows how to hit.

  74. mr baseball says:

    Lind for comeback player of the year 2011

  75. mr baseball says:

    Carlos Quentin for Don’t come back player of the year 2011

  76. Steve says:

    @mr baseball: That’s brilliant.

    @Grey: You think Morrow can start to provide help outside of Ks?

  77. Grey

    Grey says:

    @mr baseball: Ha!

    @Steve: Probably not so much and his matchups could get ugly. But ooh the Ks.

  78. Dumbmutt says:

    Who do you like for the rest of the year SB AVG
    Borbon Rajai Morgan Podsednik

  79. Steve says:

    @Grey: Yeah – he feels like more of an H2H guy, but has so many unfavourable matchups that most of the time he’s clogging up one’s roster.

  80. Buddo Chezuski says:

    Grey, thoughts on Matusz? I was high on him predraft and took him 21st round of a keeper league. His numbers initially look like crap: 2 wins, 4.92 ERA, 1.48 WHIP but I really think he’s better than this. He’s had 7 quality starts (I have QS in my league) and by taking a quick glance at just my team, thats equal to Phil Hughes and 1 more than Jonathan Sanchez. The problem is he had 3 bad ones that kill his numbers. Also his schedule was brutal (yes thats what you get for AL east but I feel like his was especially harsh). Anyway I think and hope he can be a lot better than his current ranking. I wouldn’t own him in redraft of course. Thoughts?

  81. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Dumbmutt: Tomato-tomahto except for Borbon. Not in the same league as those other guys yet. I’d just take Podsednik…

    @Steve: Yup

    @Buddo Chezuski: I think he’ll be a solid number 2-3 fantasy starter next year, but the matchups won’t get easier.

  82. Tom Emanski says:

    Holding my breath about Reyes. He hurt something sliding back into 2nd but it looks like it’s just a cut. Phew.

  83. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Buddo Chezuski: Actually, just a number #3, won’t be any #2 about him that soon, but he has that upside.

  84. Mr2Bits says:

    If anyone is watching the CWS/Piit game on WGN, the Wanstache is behind homeplate in pink…love that guy!

  85. Steve says:

    Papi gets a little less crapi.

  86. cashmoney says:

    Start Carmona vs Pitt?


  87. Mr2Bits says:


    Game on WGN, Dave Wannstedt is tucker behind home at the game. Just saying Im a Wanstache fan

  88. Steve says:

    You would not have bet on a Beckham-Quentin combination to produce the first run for the White Sox.

  89. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Mr2Bits: Ah… Yeah, I don’t know who that is.

    @Steve: Ha

  90. Mr2Bits says:


    Formers Chicago Bears head coach, now the coach of the Pitt Panthers(college football team)

  91. Nuke LaDouche says:

    I know Reynolds strikes out a lot and all but this is getting ridiculous.

  92. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: Hey, what do you think of the new Reply arrow? Super confusing?

  93. thepizzaman says:

    Heyward is really starting to look like a rookie..ughh

  94. Kazmere says:

    Wanted to share my good fortune. Got a voicemail from a friend today– NOT a baseball fan. “Someone was selling tickets
    to a Dodgers game next week. Thought I’d take a chance and bought them, thinking you might want to go. They’re
    playing the… uh…. Yankees… And the seats are up behind home plate. Wanna go?”

  95. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: Forget it, I didn’t want to change it. People get all in a frenzy.

    @Kazmere: Who me? Of course I do.

  96. Buddo Chezuski says:

    sac fly RBI for Beckham…..MONSTER NIGHT

  97. Steve says:

    @Grey: Was there a new one? Guess if I didn’t notice, it must have been OK.

    I wish CQ wouldn’t do this…

  98. Kazmere says:

    My 2 cents: I liked brief appearance of the Reply button. Bigger target to hit on a smart phone.

  99. Tom Emanski says:

    Quentin, please don’t starting hitting now that I dropped you!

    And just when I finally bench Nolasco, he decides to have a good start…so far that is.

  100. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Buddo Chezuski: Ha!

    @Steve: Was there for like a second. Was just playing around with it.

    @Kazmere: Hmm… That’s something to consider. Maybe I will try the new one. Just took people so long to find the first arrow, it’s a delicate balance.

    @Tom Emanski: Yup

  101. Kazmere says:

    @Tom Emanski: Anyone watching Nolasco? Is he looking good, or are the Rangers just being themselves away from home?

  102. thepizzaman says:

    @Kazmere: little bit of both

  103. thepizzaman says:

    @Kazmere: …vlad just hit an absolute monster shot

  104. Donnie Baseball says:

    Volquez update. 5 in 1 hit 0 BB 4 k’s 0 ER.

    Probally last start at A.

  105. Donnie Baseball says:


    Nolasco looks real good. They are saying pitching coach found a flaw in his delivery. Where he wasn’t turning over his hand on breaking balls, or something like that.

    His curve and slider have alot more bite. So much for everybody saying the problem was his velocity. It was his breaking pitches all along.

  106. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    Trade negotiations continued through the night, got a verbal agreement to a Nolasco for Werth trade, but he sent over a Buchholz for Zobrist offer as another option. My gut is telling me to just relax and roll with my current lineup, but the lack of RBI production has me interested in Zo and Werth. Any and all opinions are welcome. Here’s my current roster:

    C – Buster Posey
    1B – Albert Pujols
    2B – Brandon Phillips
    3B – Ian Stewart (<– losing for Figgins if he clears waivers tomorrow)
    SS – Hanley Ramirez
    MI – Ian Kinsler
    CI – Miguel Cabrera
    OF – Matt Kemp
    OF – Nick Markakis
    OF – Adam Jones
    OF – Hunter Pence
    OF – Michael Bourn
    UTIL – Rickie Weeks
    DL – Jacoby Ellsbury

    P – Roy Halladay
    P – Zack Greinke
    P – Josh Johnson
    P – Ricky Nolasco
    P – David Price
    P – Clay Buchholz
    P – Jaime Garcia
    P – Stephen Strasburg
    P – Brian Wilson
    BE – Carlos Marmol
    BE – Kevin Gregg
    BE – Leo Nunez

  107. Steve says:

    Is Ibanez ever going to go on a tear?

    As opposed to an uptick that lasts, like, two days?

  108. Donnie Baseball says:

    So much for that mechanical flaw with Nolasco. Just can’t figure that guy out. Looks like Cy Young one minute, and then bam.

  109. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    @Grey: Follow up… would you then drop an OF (if so, which) and pick up one of these acronymphomaniacs:


    or just carry the extra bat for a bit and try to trade a warm Jones/Bourn/Pence/Weeks for a better SP? Or just carry the extra bat?

    My apologies… this is more questions than I like to ask, but for some reason I’m conflicted about this particular set of moves. The feedback is greatly appreciated.

  110. Tom Emanski says:

    That’s the Nolasco I know

  111. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    @Donnie Baseball: Well, two of the runs scored due to an error… it was Nolasco’s throwing error, but not his pitching error, so there’s that.

  112. Seequinn says:

    @Grey: What’s your thought on vetoing trades? I’ve often believed you can only do it when you really think there’s collusion, but a manager in our league has become so notorious for idiocy that I’m starting to rethink it. I just don’t like the idea of other people judging good vs bad trades…feels like the proverbial slippery slope.

  113. Donnie Baseball says:

    F. Gonzalez pinched hit for Nolasco in the 6th with 2 outs and nobody on and only 80 pitches.

    I think he seriously has something against him.

  114. Tom Emanski says:

    Reyes just hit for the Ichiro Cycle. That’s when you hit a single, double and triple but no HR.

  115. thepizzaman says:

    I know his K/BB ratio is awful but damn Tim Hudson seems to consistently find a way to get out there and deliver a QS

  116. Tom Emanski says:

    This Pedro Almodovar guy sucks at baseball

  117. aj says:

    I have 6 players for 5 spots. Who Sits?Curtis Granderson, Josh Hamilton, Corey Hart, Mike Stanton, Jose Tabata, Brett Gardner, Barbon
    would you bench heilman?

  118. Mike D. says:


    Need offense pretty bad. Currently starting Miggy Tejeda at CI. If I win Carlos Santana this week, I can move V-Mart to CI to replace Miggy.

    How much FAAB on Carlos Santana? AL Only, 5×5. We have a big Indians fan in the league. Highest budget left is $68, I’m at $48.

    I’m thinking $10… too high?

    Mike D.

  119. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Mike D.: Not too high at all. $12 maybe to avoid losing by one.

  120. Mike D. says:

    @Thanks Grey. You watching Lakers?

  121. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    @Grey: Double apologies… thought I mentioned in my original post that it’s a 10-Team, 5×5, H2H (my main league… I don’t ask questions about the public leagues I’m in since they’re abandoned by everyone except me, at this point).

  122. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Mike D.: I don’t watch basketball.

    @Awesomus Maximus: Ah.. Maybe. I’ve been benching Markakis in a 14 team league, can’t imagine you have to hold him in a 10 team one. Grab Morrow…

  123. Steve says:

    Oh Myers. You’d gained me a point in WHIP and ERA and potentially half a point in Wins.

    It’s dust now.

    I’m going to cry into a pillow.

  124. Big Nate says:

    Welcome to 10-game OF eligibility Vlad Guerrerro!!!!

  125. I Am the Liquor says:

    Dayan Viciedo called up.

  126. Andy says:

    [email protected]Grey:

    Trying to trade one of my three catchers in a two catcher league. I have Suzuki, Napoli and Santana.

    I want to target one of his OFs. Which do you think I should try for: Victorino, Pence, Ludwick, or Willingham?

    (I think Victorino wouldn’t fly but it might be worth a shot)

  127. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    @Grey: Yeah, I’m fresh out of reasons to carry Markakis, as well. It’s not like his peripherals or splits are screaming “second half slugfest” or anything.

    Just curious, who do you have as the biggest fantasy disappointment so far this season? I suppose if you include injuries, it has to be Ellsbury, but put the DL aside… Holliday? Greinke?

  128. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Andy: Try for any of them, Victorino, Ludwick, Pence… In that order. With Santana, Suzuki or Napoli… In that order. Assumign it’s not a keeper.

    @Awesomus Maximus: I think Kinsler is the top rated bust so far. Might be forgetting someone. Ellsbury as been terrible too though.

  129. Steve says:

    @Grey: @Awesomus Maximus: You could throw Lind and Grandy in there too for my money.

    @Grey: Rest of the season – Myers, Floyd, Masterson or Cahill?

  130. Steve says:

    @Grey: Your ellipsis makes me nervous…

  131. Steve says:

    @Grey: It’s the fifth-starter-go-round.

  132. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    @Grey: @Steve: Ells, Grandy and Kinsler all get the DL assist, though. Not that it makes a difference in the grand scheme, but I’m thinking about which player (emphasis on play) has come up shortest on expectations.

    Lind is another good name, though. Probably him, Holliday and Greinke are my top three… and since I bought Greinke in almost every league I’m in, he’s hurt me the worst, so he gets my vote.

  133. Steve says:

    @Grey: Actually, does CJ Wilson come into the conversation? Or do his walks and home park rule him out?

  134. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Awesomus Maximus: Yeah, the one league I have Greinke is also the league that is doing the worst in pitching categories.

    @Steve: Him over Floyd…

  135. @Tom Emanski: For reals. I finally drop CQ and he’s starting to hulk out. F that bum. He can’t seem to get it out of the park very often anyway. I can’t count how many shots he’s hit this year that either went off of the wall or were caught at the track. Was it here that I read about how he’s had an incredibly high percentage of wall-scraping cheapies over his career?

    @Tom Emanski: Pedro should definitely stay behind the camera.

    I was walking past a Dominican restaurant in the neighborhood and saw they had a crowd for the Pirates game. Funny, sometimes you’d never think you were in NYC up here – like when the Sox won in ’04, it was Manny/Pedro-mania. Dominican pride runs deeper than pinstripes.

  136. @Grey: Don’t forget Grady! He was the top overall pick in my keeper league (5 keepers so there aren’t many studs left), Ells was the second pick. Not sure why either were picked so high, made no sense to me.

    Next guy took CC and I took Jete who was the last good SS not kept (the next best was Bartlett and I didn’t want to get stuck with him)

    If I could do it again, I’d have taken Cano who I believe went 7th after Haren and Pedroia. Fortunately I got him in my 15 team.

  137. Grey

    Grey says:

    @3FingersBrown: Yeah, that doesn’t make much sense. Grady is a disappointment, for sure. I thought he’d bounce back too.

  138. Steve says:

    @Grey: Lakers win. Go and jump on a car.

  139. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: Some guy just thanked his psychiatrist and he’s promoting his new single. Yup.

  140. Steve says:

    @Grey: Bet no one shook hands with the other team, either.

    Now get off my lawn!

  141. charlie batch says:

    sabathia or price, non keeper?

  142. @Grey: It’s a very competitive league, but there were some strange decisions made by some otherwise smart people. Ells proves SAGNOF is 110% right. Me and the guy that took CC, high fived each other when those first two went off of the board, since we knew we’d get the guys we wanted.

    @Steve: I watched the last quarter, but man I wish I cared. The Dolans sucked all the joy out of basketball in NY.

  143. Steve says:

    @Grey: He’s up against Felix, but is LeCure worth a shot in H2H on Saturday?

  144. @charlie batch: I like CC. He’s always stronger in the 2nd half and the Yanks will ride him. Price’s K/BB are actually worse than last year right now and his xFIP is 4.35, more than 2 runs above his ERA. Some regression is in order.

    I wouldn’t mind owning either, but I’d put my money on CC to finish better than Price.

  145. Grey

    Grey says:

    @charlie batch: Agree with 3Fingers.

    @Steve: If that’s your best option and you need the potential Win.

  146. Steve says:

    @Grey: My ratios are pretty much shot.

    The other options are Litsch, JD Martin, Padilla, Wakefield, Huff, Karstens and Volstad. Francis is yet to clear waivers…


  147. @Grey:

    I’ve been drinking since the third quarter of the Celtics game, but I’m still reasonably sure it should be ‘dominate’ in the Lilly comment.

    Why do I only seem to join in the comments section for grammar naziness?

  148. Simply Fred

    simply fred says:

    @Grey: It looks to me like Guerrero gets OF eligibility in ESPN/RCL this Tuesday with his tenth OF game played. Is this correct?

  149. Ryan says:

    Fred, I think it should come this weekend. According to ESPN he has 9 games started in RF.

  150. Ryan says:

    @simply fred: Now I see how these arrows work. I’m dumb.

  151. Simply Fred

    simply fred says:

    Thanks guys! Welcome news!!

  152. @Grey: Putting in a claim for Demel in 15 team. Think I should drop Headley or Beckham? OBP instead of BA, so neither are helping. Of course Becks’ has been god awful but do you think he could outperform Headley the rest of the way?

    My instincts say Headley goes, since he seems to have shown us his best already.

    BTW Thank you for talking me out of trading for Headley about 6 weeks ago.

  153. royce! says:

    @simply fred: Just to be sure my meaning came across, that was a happy “yes,” not an exasperated one.

    “YES,” as in, “it’s about fricking time I get to move Vlad out of the UTIL spot.” As in, “YES,” it’s about fricking time I used the word “fricking.”

  154. royce! says:

    So my brother in law was offered Strasburg for Carl Crawford in our 14 team h2h, counting 5×5 plus OBP and XBH for batters, K/BB and holds for pitchers. I advised him to not take Strasburg because I figured that having Hot Carl (http://keepcarl.com/?p=63 ) is the closest he can get to being guaranteed R and SB. Did I make the right call, or did I allow my own Strasburg covetousness win?

  155. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: LeCure…

    @HOLLA(R): Ugh, that word is my kryptonite.

    @3FingersBrown: Flip a coin… Beckham’s starting to hit a little, so I’d just stick with him.

  156. Grey

    Grey says:

    @royce!: I’d want Crawford over Strasburg.

  157. royce! says:

    @Grey: Bueno. Just wanted to make sure I hadn’t done wrong.

    How’s LA? They getting all 1992 up in it?

  158. @Grey: Yeah that’s what I’m thinking. Both have been riding the bench anyway.

  159. barker says:

    fister or ely ROS

    is viciedo worth it in twenty team leagues just need a bat no positional need

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