This is a post for the fantasy baseball drafters who use Excel, Google Docs, or some other war room software that automatically totals a drafted team’s stats while in the middle of a draft. Or perhaps for those of you who do mock drafts or simulated drafts.

The below grid represents my projected 75% mark in each stat category across 10/12/14/15/16 team ESPN and Yahoo default roster format leagues.

These numbers should only be used directionally. Please note that each projection source projects to a different league average so your team may look great if using a ‘bullish’ source and look poor if using a ‘bearish’ source. These are based on the Steamer/Razzball projections.

While I stand behind these numbers as they are part of the foundation behind my Player Rater $ estimates, I do not use these as part of my draft. I prefer to add up the dollar values per category. Same difference I suppose but it is easier to see counting totals for ratios and it lets me fixate less on the numbers (e.g., I see $7, I know they are good…I don’t fixate on 20 SBs vs 25 SBs).

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Notes:

  • The differences between ESPN and Yahoo roster formats are much greater for hitters (13 ESPN starting spots vs. 10 in Yahoo) than pitchers (9 pitchers in ESPN vs. 8 pitchers in Yahoo). In daily leagues, I have found that Yahoo leagues end up with similar innings totals as ESPN leagues, indicating that owners are that much more aggressive in cycling in relievers during SP off days and/or streaming. So you will find the same number of pitchers in my ESPN and Yahoo estimates.
  • These projections are solely for post-draft purposes. Daily pickup leagues will have greater counting stats because of more opportunities to optimize their roster.
  • CBSSports leagues should match ESPN assuming you use the roster format: C/1B/2B/SS/3B/5 OF/MI/CI/UTIL/9 P. For NFBC or other 2-catcher leagues, you should add a 2nd catcher’s worth of stats on the offensive side.
Format Teams Point Total R HR RBI SB AVG W SV ERA WHIP K
ESPN 10 7.8  1,084 348 1,098 164 0.275 82 130 3.60 1.21 1,326
ESPN 12 9.3  1,063 333  1,072 158  0.273 82 113 3.63  1.22  1,289
ESPN 14 10.8  1,036 322  1,047 151  0.271 81 102 3.63 1.21  1,253
ESPN 15 11.5  1,023 312  1,029 150  0.271 83 95 3.65 1.22  1,250
ESPN 16 12.3  1,011 308  1,017 146  0.270 83 89 3.65 1.21  1,241
YAHOO 10 7.8 854 268 862 132  0.278 85 128 3.52 1.19  1,352
YAHOO 12 9.3 828 262 842 125  0.276 82 112 3.59 1.21  1,303
YAHOO 14 10.8 813 252 823 119  0.275 79 101 3.62 1.21  1,256
YAHOO 15 11.5 804 248 812 118  0.275 79 94 3.65 1.22  1,248
YAHOO 16 12.3 795 243 805 115  0.275 78 88 3.67 1.22  1,233
AL 12 9.3 837 255 850 110  0.266 72 57 3.97 1.27  1,110
NL 12 9.3 780 225 793 120  0.270 71 57 3.75 1.25  1,126
  1. car tar says:
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    Sorry to post it here, but don’t know how else to post it. Fantrax told me to reach out to razzball razzball told me to reach out to fantrax. One of the leagues (only 10 dollars, but its the principal/overall rating) glitched and let people join in the 11th round (I joined in the 11th round). It was $10 total. Fantrax then refunded us the $10. I thought at that time to pay the league entry again for that league since the draft would be done again. That is what I was led to believe. Then after I paid the entry fee for the league again (assuming we would redraft) they gave us back the team from the faulty draft (that started in the 11th round). Can I get it either refunded again, or preferably, the league reset at a different time and date?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      What’s your email you used or username attached to this account?

  2. jake says:
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    Hi, How much would daily vs. weekly line-ups impact this?

    I just joined a league that had 14 teams last year and started 9 hitters. The tops in R/HR/RBI/SB last year was 834/296/871/118.

    I think your yahoo line-up includes 10 hitters but even taking up the numbers by 10/9ths i get: 926/328/967/131.

    So the top point getter in this weekly league would be 12%, 10%, and 15% behind your 75% in presumably a daily league.

    Do you have atbats and IP between maybe The Friends and Family league vs. LABR that would show the impacts on counting stats?

    • @jake: Daily/weekly doesn’t matter because this is to assess drafts vs end of season. Daily teams should end up w/ higher counting stats at end of season. I can’t access team totals in past Yahoo leagues. My SWAG would be 5-10% more AB. IP is tougher to figure b/c weekly leagues compensate by throwing more starters.

      I’m not sure how 9 hitter leagues play out but i would think weighting these down by about 13% would do the trick (hard to say right % but C is the weakest position and I assume you keep that so you are replacing an above average bat).

      • Jake says:
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        @Rudy Gamble:

        What am I missing here? Yahoo rosters have 10 hitters right? You say to shoot for 1,057 runs in a 14 team league.

        If I drafted your top 9 players for runs: Stanton, Trout, Betts, Bryant, Springer, Harper, Lindor, Blackmon, and Dozier, and add Gary Sanchez your rankings say they’ll combine for 1,055 runs.

        Thanks

        • @Jake: Had an error in calculation for yahoo. Fixed now though it still feels a little high…

  3. Fanciful Basesball says:
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    Thanks, Rudy! This is incredibly helpful. Do you have any suggestions on how one would eyeball adjustments in leagues that use saves+holds? Not asking for a new sheet, just thought you might have a general rule of thumb.

    You rock!

    • @Fanciful Basesball: Thanks. Not really sure for saves/holds. Would think similar ratios/wins with maybe 10-20% more on Saves? Really just a SWAG.

      • Fanciful Basesball says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: I appreciate it. Your guess is better than mine!

  4. Test Kitchen says:
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    It could be my browser, but I can only see the first digit of each quantity in the Strikeouts column.

    Also, my one league is a CBS league that uses 1 fewer OF and 2 fewer pitchers than your example. My goals for this league were pretty much identical to yours except I had the following:

    HR-320
    SB-130
    Saves-90
    Strikeouts-1200

    Seem about right?

    This article was very, very helpful.

  5. Jeff P says:
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    I just joined a 7×7 league (+hits, +OBP) and on the pitcher side (ER, and K/9).

    What do you think about punting starters in this setup? As in not drafting a single one. You’d be punting 2 categories out of 14 instead of 10, and you’d guarantee the other 5 pitching cats, unless you’re extremely unlucky.

    • @Jeff P: adding ER and K/9. Punt all marginal starters and stock up on RPs with strong peripherals. So aces are valuable for K’s and ratios but almost worthless to draft any more than 3-4 SPs and then bench the lesser SPs during eh matchups. If there is an IP minimum, aim for that :)

  6. omar says:
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    Is there a standard percentage that can be applied as a reduction in the targets in an AL Only league?

    Also, in an 8 team AL Only 5×5 standard roto, 1 year keeper league, would you draft Bregman or Buxton with the idea of rostering through 2019?

    Thanks!

    • omar says:
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      @omar:

      Sorry, ignore the first part. I missed the Only data at the bottom.

  7. Milarky says:
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    Yo Rudy, looking for first round advice. 6×5 (+SLG%), 10-team deep roto league (we start 2 at each IF position + 2 Util, 5 OF, 6 SP, 3 RP and 1 rookie hitter and pitcher). We keep 4 hitters and 2 pitchers. I’m starting with Rizzo, Stanton (DH only), Rendon, and Gordon (OF only). What I’m struggling with is whether to go strictly by Grey’s rankings, or whether I need to consider which positions I’ve got no one for yet. I’ll be picking 8th, and here’s some idea of the hitters that may be available.

    Marte
    Hosmer
    Schoop
    Buxton
    Segura
    Myers
    Puig
    Cain
    Turner
    Cespedes

    I find myself wanting to gamble on Buxton or reach for Puig, but not sure if I’m crazy. I would guess that Schoop would be there for me, but worried that last year may have been his ceiling. Thoughts on what kind of strategy to employ?

    • @Milarky: Grey’s rankings are standard 5×5 and for 13 hitters / 9 pitchers. Yours is like 16 hitters, 9 pitchers? I would use this sheet for rankings: https://razzball.com/playerrater-preseason-hittercategories-espn/.

      Add up the 5×5 $ with SLG$ and multiply by something like 0.9. Then combine with the 12 team pitchers in this sheet (https://razzball.com/playerrater-preseason-espnmlb12).

      It’s hard to give any better advice given the odd rosters and uneven (6×5) stats.

      Those rankings will help point out best players to target. I would think speed-only guys move down the rankings because they have 3 categories that they hurt you in HR/RBI/SLG. Marte might still work.

      • Milarky says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: Thanks so much Rudy, I’ll give it a shot. My only reservation is that I really enjoyed using the downloadable draft room last year, and it uses Grey’s rankings (I don’t think I can easily set it up to use yours, but I will check it out). Either way, thanks for the quick response and advice!

        Last other question – do you care about roster composition in the early rounds or do you always go with best player available? I wonder if I should avoid 1B and 3B with my first pick or two given that I’m already starting with Rizzo and Rendon.

  8. Ian says:
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    Great job Rudy. Am joining RCLs and want to join a money one. Want to know if I can use PayPal before I click join? Thanks.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yes, you can

  9. Whampwhanp says:
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    @rudy in a H2H categories league with ops how high should you value Rizzo given that he can play 2b ? Does that make him a 1st rounder ?

    • @Whampwhanp: No. His value is what I have in the Player Rater which is around pick 20.

  10. HAL says:
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    I must be missing something here.

    I summed the projections for these 10 hitters:
    Bryce Harper
    Jose Ramirez
    Andrew Benintendi
    Alex Bregman
    Nicholas Castellanos
    Matt Olson
    Ronald Acuna
    Wilson Ramos
    Trey Mancini
    Amed Rosario

    They total 766 R, 223 HR, 797 RBI, 110 SB, and .273 AVG. In a 14-team Yahoo league, that looks competitive in AVG but hopefully behind in the other 4 stats.

    • Dan says:
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      @HAL:
      Yeah some of the counting stats for hitting seen awfully high compared to the war room and the totals I’ve been getting.

      Is it possible the numbers you listed are 100% league leaders, not scaled by 75%?

      • HAL says:
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        @Dan: Even if that was the case… I made a new team:

        Mookie Betts
        Jose Altuve
        Kris Bryant
        Charlie Blackmon
        Nolan Arenado
        Paul Goldschmidt
        Mike Trout
        Giancarlo Stanton
        Bryce Harper
        Freddie Freeman

        Total projected stats: 1036 R, 344 HR, 1020 RBI, 133 SB, and .296 AVG.

        So compared to the 75% draft goals, I’m still behind in R, RBI, and SB. 15 HR above the target.

        • Dan says:
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          @HAL:

          Lmao yeah something’s off

    • @HAL: I found an error in the formula for Yahoo where it was multiplying by 13 hitters instead of 10. Reposted the correction version just now.

  11. Dan says:
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    So using the custom dollar rankings for a 12 team Yahoo league, some guys are radically boosted. For example Giancarlo up to number one, and Gary Sanchez.

    This might be a dumb question, but would you go and draft with those rankings, or do a variation like a blend with Grey’s? It’s hard for me to imagine taking Stanton over Trout

    • @Dan: I take Trout over Stanton but feel Stanton or Turner are #2 depending on the league and how I feel about drafting power/speed. I don’t know your league setup but, if it’s not 5×5, I would use mine over Grey’s every time. But my projections are projected values not strict draft rankings. I’m looking at ADP to avoid drafting a guy too high. Sanchez might be top 10 value in Yahoo but if you can get him in 2nd round, don’t use a first round pick.

      • Dan says:
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        @Rudy Gamble:

        Yes it’s standard 5×5,

  12. Earl says:
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    Should I be concerned for Miguel Sano (had surgery for knee/leg) or for possible suspension?

    Is around pick 75 too early for him?

    • @Earl: i am less concerned than I was 2 weeks ago but I’m still wary of drafting him that high given the suspension + brutal K rate. I want a big discount if i’m taking him. (like 3 round discount minimum)

  13. Fantasy Phein says:
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    Hey Rudy, dyno lge with obp and slugging over avg who do u like better? Mazara or Castellanos? Thx ?

  14. Spawnographer says:
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    Hey Gents – this is very helpful. Any chance you can post the category average values for each standing in a 12 teaam league? The idea is to see how many HR it took on average to get 12, 11, 10, 9, … etc. points. Same for the other 9 categories in a typical RCL.

    Thanks!
    Pat

    • @Spawnographer: i don’t post that for the preseason values as that exposes a little too much into my valuation method (aka my modeled SGP – runs per standing point, HRs by standing point, etc.). We have this for end-of-season RCL probably but that isn’t going to help much because they will be higher than you can achieve in a draft.

      As always, my recommendation is to use the $ values in my player rater. You can sum those up as you draft and know exactly how your HRs are keeping pace with SBs. (and the ‘league average’ goals are $32 for hitters and $16 for pitchers – at least in non-Yahoo format)

    • goodfold2 says:
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      @Spawnographer: just go back in all your leagues of similar sizes/seasons and see what they are. i’ve done that before.

  15. ALKOHOlIC says:
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    Great job Rudy. Awesome work my friend.

  16. LeftCoastYankee says:
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    Help Rudy!
    Keepers are due in 3 hours. Standard 12-team 5×5 $260 auction league.

    Which set of keepers (subject to $60 cap) would you keep?

    A) JoRamirez $15 + Rosario $9 + Merrifield $9 + [either Upton $21 or Carrasco $22…which one?]

    or

    B) JoRamirez $15 + Upton $21 Carrasco $22

  17. Jose says:
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    Rudy, Thank you for all the work you do! Looking forward to using some of the tools Razzball provides this year!

    I have a quick concern to address and a question.

    First, The RCL I’ve signed up for (#71) has gone from 12 owners, to 11 with one guy asking in the comments how to get out of the league because now he realized he can’t draft that night. I told him to email Rudy, but he’s still showing up, 4 days later. Any way you can get him out so the league shows we still need 2 managers before Monday.s draft?

    Second, my question: Are these category goals different from the ones in the WAR Room because the WAR Room is based on RCL guidlines?

    Thanks for all the help!

    • MattTruss

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      You can tell him to leave the league he needs to go to OTHER -> ALL OPTIONS and click Quit League. If you tell us the team name, we could possibly get in and delete him, I’m not sure. We can update the sheet to say 2 openings, no problem, but that other manager needs to leave the league. Try emailing him from the league page how to do it.

      • jose says:
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        @MattTruss:
        Team name: The Gary Pettis File

        I’ll send him an email and update the Chat

        Thanks MattTruss

      • Jose says:
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        @MattTruss: What about the War Room totals differences? Any input there?

        • @Jose: The War Room uses Grey’s projections. These goals are based on the Steamer/Razzball projections. It is hard to say how the differences shake out. Might pay to do a mock draft and see how it looks.

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