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With the the top 20 closers for 2010 fantasy baseball, we’ve finished our recap of the 2010 fantasy baseball rankings.  Some will feel like it came too soon, others will think let’s get 2011 under way already!  Whichever camp you fall in, don’t eat cherimoya seeds, they are poisonous.  This is our final look back.  This is still a look back.  It is not how I’d rank them for 2011 aka next year.  As with the other rankings, the final rankings come from ESPN’s Player Rater.  I did this so I could objectively critique MY preseason rankings to THEIRS.  Their rankings for closers weigh wins when I’d just want saves, but whatevs.  At least it’s unbiased.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 closers for 2010 fantasy baseball and how they compare to where I originally ranked them:

1. Billy Wagner – There’s a theme in the top 20 closers we need to address.  Where I ranked them (or didn’t rank them at all) compared to where they ended up is all over the place.  Now you can either think I’m a jerkoff or you can realize how unpredictable closers are.  This is why you never pay for closers.  The ones that you think will do good end up disappointing (Broxton) or flat-out suck (Frank Francisco).  Then there’s the ones that just come out of nowhere.  It all comes back to SAGNOF!  Preseason Rank #15, 2010 Projections:  4-3/3.00/1.15/60, 30 saves, Final Numbers: 7-2/1.43/0.87/104, 34 saves

2. Rafael Soriano – Never doubted Soriano’s ability… Well, I doubted his ability to stay healthy.  This year is Soriano staying healthy.  Maybe it was Soriano pitching more to contact this year that helped.  He definitely didn’t put up his best K season, but it was easily his best save season.  Preseason Rank #14, 2010 Projections:  2-4/2.95/1.05/70, 25 saves, Final Numbers:  3-2/1.73/0.80/57, 45 saves

3. Heath Bell – Wavy lines appear and we’re back in the 2010 preseason.  You, “I’m not touching Bell, he’s getting traded.”  Me, “Don’t worry about trade rumors in March.  Lots of hoops to jump though before a trade happens and maybe he’s the closer on the new team if he is traded.”  You, “Hoopz is spelled with a Z, I saw it on Flavor of Love.  Now shut your mustache!”  Preseason Rank #5, 2010 Projections:  2-3/2.85/1.10/75, 40 saves, Final Numbers:  6-1/1.93/1.20/86, 47 saves

4. Brian Wilson – This year he was The Machine.  Preseason Rank #11, 2010 Projections:  4-4/3.35/1.20/75, 37 saves, Final Numbers:  3-3/1.81/1.18/93, 48 saves

5. Neftali Feliz – He was ranked last January… For starters.  Since this is really just about me, Feliz hurt me more than any other closer because I A) Owned Frank2 in many leagues. B) Didn’t own Feliz.  C) Aren’t the first two enough hurt for one man?  Preseason Unranked for Closers, Final Numbers: 4-3/2.73/0.88/71, 40 saves

6. Joakim Soria – Here’s one of those places where ESPN is giving too much weight to wins.  Soria is being docked for only one win, but you don’t own closers for wins.  Are the vulture wins nice?  Sure, and so is an extra scoop in your Fribble™, but you don’t need it, you glutton.  Preseason Rank #8, 2010 Projections:  4-3/2.75/1.12/75, 32 saves, Final Numbers: 1-2/1.78/1.05/71, 41 saves

7. Carlos Marmol – In the comments on the preseason rankings for closers, there were variations of the same comment.  “You’re being silly with your Marmol projections and where you’re ranking him.  He’s too wild.”  Looking at my preseason projections compared to his final stats, I wasn’t being silly enough.  Preseason Rank #6, 2010 Projections:  4-3/3.15/1.30/100, 38 saves, Final Numbers:  2-3/2.55/1.18/138, 38 saves

8. Matt Capps – Capps really should’ve won the Razzballie for top SAGNOF closer.  He wasn’t the best closer (obviously).  He wasn’t as cheap as Feliz, but, I’d contend that once Feliz got the job people respected what he could do.  No one really wanted the Nats closer in the preseason and assumed during the season that Storen would take over at any moment.  Then Capps ran with the job and the Twins job too.  Preseason Rank #21, Final Numbers:  5-3/2.47/1.26/59, 42 saves

9. Mariano Rivera – The ratios look fine, but this is the beginning of the end for Rivera.  He had the most blown saves in 7 years, he had by his worst K-rate in four years and he’s turning 41 in November.  Preseason Rank #3, 2010 Projections:  4-1/2.15/1.00/70, 42 saves, Final Numbers:  3-3/1.80/0.83/45, 33 saves

10. John Axford – After Feliz, Axford was the best pickup for relievers.  The crazy thing is he was probably available to everyone for longer than most because no one expected him to replace Hoffman for as long as he did and, even as his reign seemed to be going well, people were still concerned Hoffman would return to the role.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers:  8-2/2.48/1.19/76, 24 saves

11. Jonathan Papelbon – For the first time in his career, his dancing wasn’t the ugliest part of his game.  He gave up more than twice the amount of runs from 2008 to 2009.  The most homers and walks allowed of his career.  And his 2nd lowest save total.  It couldn’t happen to a douchier seeming guy.  Preseason Rank #2, 2010 Projections:  2-1/2.05/1.00/75, 45 saves, Final Numbers:  5-7/3.90/1.27/76, 37 saves

12. Hong-Chih Kuo – Kinda unfair ranking him this high because, outside of deep leagues, you probably didn’t own him for most of these stats even if you did own him.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers:  3-2/1.20/0.78/73, 12 saves

13. Francisco Cordero – He seems like one of the few relievers who blows saves and doesn’t look pretty even when he converts but there’s never any talk about him losing his job.  That’s Dusty ball!  Preseason Rank #12, 2010 Projections:  3-5/3.45/1.32/60, 35 saves, Final Numbers:  6-5/3.84/1.43/59, 40 saves

14. Ryan Franklin – Another one of those ESPN glitches.  Franklin was fine last year, but his six wins are artificially boosting his value.  For instance, Aardsma was just as good with more saves, but had an 0-6 record.  Preseason Rank #18, 2010 Projections:  4-2/3.75/1.25/40, 30 saves, Final Numbers:  6-2/3.46/1.03/42, 27 saves

15. Chris Perez – Again, there’s probably a good chance you didn’t own him for this whole season’s stats.  If you did, well played.  If you didn’t and are saying you did, why lie?  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 2-2/1.71/1.08/61, 23 saves

16. Francisco Rodriguez – In 2009, the Mets had an incident when a shirtless VP, Tony Bernazard, challenged players to a fight.  In 2010, K-Rod made every Thanksgiving very awkward for as long as he’s married to his wife.  My prediction for 2011 is Mr. Met gets a DUI.  He just looks like a rummy.  Preseason Rank #7, 2010 Projections:  5-2/3.10/1.30/70, 40 saves, Final Numbers:  4-2/2.20/1.15/67, 25 saves

17. Andrew Bailey – In the preseason, I said, “Yes, I have Bailey ranked lower than most other ‘perts.”  I also ranked him 17th and that’s where he ended up.  Natch that!  Preseason Rank #17, 2010 Projections:  2-3/3.20/1.14/70, 25 saves, Final Numbers:  1-3/1.47/0.96/42, 25 saves

18. Leo Nunez – Ranked here and he barely got into September with the closing job.  Remember, into the month of August, he had an ERA of 2.64.  He’ll be one of my favorite closer sleepers next year, assuming he’s the closer next year, which I think he will be, and, yes, this sentence ran away from me and I just started throwing in commas, but whatevs.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers:  4-3/3.46/1.28/71, 30 saves

19. Kevin Gregg – Anyone think Gregg will get any kind of respect next year in drafts?  Yeah, me neither.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers:  2-6/3.51/1.39/58, 37 saves

20. Jose Valverde – Had a perfectly respectable season that was only hurt because the Tigers either won by more than 4 runs or lost.  Don’t hate the player, hate the unpredictability of the save stat.  Preseason Rank #10, 2010 Projections:  4-4/3.15/1.10/70, 35 saves, Final Numbers: 2-4/3.00/1.16/63, 26 saves

  1. DrEasy says:

    Further evidence for SAGNOF: I only had one guy from this top 20 for most of the season (Marmol, and just 5 saves from Chris Perez), yet I ended up 2nd in saves. I got saves from the likes of Jenks, Takahashi, Simon and Uehara. But the list uses wins, and this is where I did badly.

    The Curse of the Shirtless Bernazard still makes me giggle!

  2. GopherDay says:

    In a keeper league with holds, I grabbed Perez when he got called up and played him. So I got his stats, plus holds, plus saves whenever he got the closing gig. Well played indeed.

  3. Moneybrawl says:


    2010 season: 1.80 ERA and 0.83 WHIP + 6 1?3 scoreless post season innings while saving three games?

    For the last 10+ years I’ve had to endure idiotic posts such as this one listing reasons why Mariano Rivera just ain’t cutting it anymore. An entire decade of “Beginning of the end for Rivera” ramblings.

  4. Tony says:

    @Moneybrawl: “endure”…. so you’re telling us you’re a yankee fan….? Mo has been good at hanging on but the end is coming whether you like it or not. 41 year olds with a K/9 trending down and an aging yankees team surrounding him…. of course they’ll just BUY some new players, but it wont be the same as mariano, jeter, etc…. One of these years you’ll be left holding the bag (which yes you have probably heard that for the past 5 years i’d say, but its going to happen sooner than later)

    I really enjoyed the world series this year, no yankees, no boston, no phillys, it was great… I love seeing the big money teams FAIL.

  5. Critter Nagurski says:

    @Tony I get your/Grey’s point. Mo is going to command his high price even in the first year he becomes mediocre. Maybe it will happen gradually, but if you blow a lot of salary on a closer and it doesn’t pan out, it’s tough to recover from that.

    I finished two saves away from a tie for second most this year by cobbling together Uehara, Lidge, Dotel, Hanrahan, Rodney, Wuertz… I drafted Frasor, Lyon, Lidge, and Dotel. I almost always punt saves and do okay in the category, but I’m starting to wonder if the headache and era/whip toll is worth it. Then I see Papelbon at 11 and remember why…

    still, I hope to avoid the hassle next year. April-May was a pretty dark time for me

  6. Moneybrawl says:

    @Tony: I’m not a Yankee fan. I enjoy good baseball and detest unintelligent writing.

    Putting Mo at # 9 is just sheer idiocy even this early in the season. Anyone seriously considering this list come draft day and picking Wagner, Soriano, Bell, Wilson, Feliz, Soria, Marmol & Capps over Rivera shouldn’t be allowed to manage a team.

    And you can quote me!

  7. GopherDay says:

    @Moneybrawl: This isn’t a ranking for next year, but a re-cap of this past year. Mo ranked #9 on the player ranker for ESPN this past year.

    Mo, whether you like it or not, was ranked behind Wagner, Soriano, Bell, Wilson, Feliz, Soria, Marmol & Capps.

  8. royce! says:

    @Moneybrawl: Hahaha you didn’t read the article. The rankings are from 2010, and their ESPN’s year end rankings.

    You didn’t think something was fishy with ranking Wagner #1? He’s retiring!

    You need to apologize for making us endure knee-jerk, reactionary Mo-conservatives.

  9. big o says:


    “This is still a look back. It is not how I’d rank them for 2011 aka next year. As with the other rankings, the final rankings come from ESPN’s Player Rater.”

    maybe you skipped over this part (above) .

    i don’t think that rivera will gradually wilt away into oblivion .
    rather , more likely he will blow out an elbow , or screw up his knee , or
    some other type of injury will beset him that will require season-ending surgery .

    and , as with all athletes , aged 40 years and above , he will decide that the recovery time , and chances for a return to form , are just not worth it anymore .

    i’m not february Grey , so i have no crystal ball , but i can very well imagine
    the yankees offering him a 2-year deal , this off-season , with full expectation of exercising a buy-out option for 2012 .

  10. Moneybrawl says:

    If that’s the case, this list is even more meaningless and void.

  11. royce! says:

    @Moneybrawl: Yeah, comparing what one predicts to happen to what actually happens is a meaningless exercise.

    Seriously, a simple “my bad” would do. I can understand clinging to the idea that Mo can’t decline, but are you really so stubborn that you’ll argue against the scientific method?

  12. Grey

    Grey says:

    @DrEasy: There ya go. It makes me giggle too.

    @GopherDay: Nice!

    @Moneybrawl: The recap, which is now officially done, is to see what players did. That’s important to know what they will do in the future.

  13. Moneybrawl says:

    My bad.

    I can’t wait for Razzball’s “official” 2011 preseason closer ranking!

  14. Simply Fred

    simply fred says:

    @royce!: One thing to take from this particular look back is to not lock in on the forthcoming 2011 list as rock solid. :-)

  15. Tony says:

    @Moneybrawl: unintelligent reading is more like it… Its a look at ESPNS player rater rankings from 2010, not this sites rankings…. lol.

    Now i see why you’re all fired up you didn’t understand/read the article.

    I took wagner in both my leagues last year in like the 10th ish rd. Compare that to where Mo rivera goes? usually what the 6th or 7th. It’s all about risk/reward/value…. If all you’re taking Rivera for is saves, why not take someone else later? You’re paying for Rivera in a spot where last year you could have taken a much more beneficial player.

  16. Tarasco's Secret Stash says:

    Who’d you rather have for the next two years, all things being equal: Jered Weaver or Ian Kinsler?

  17. big o says:


    it’s like someone attacked the pope , around here .

    when you get old and feeble we’re going to put you
    in one of those bubble cars !!

  18. Moneybrawl says:

    @Grey What’s the point of copy/paste/commenting on ESPN’s 2010 closers/player-rankings when we all know it’s meaningless? Is it a prelude towards your own 2011 pre-season closer rankings?

  19. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Moneybrawl: No worries.

    @Tarasco’s Secret Stash: Kinsler

    @big o: Ha

    @Moneybrawl: To see how well I did compared to where they ended up over at ESPN. In an arena where there’s not a whole lot of culpability, I like to show where I’m right and wrong.

  20. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Moneybrawl: re: 2011 — Can’t get to 2011 without going through 2010, so yeah this post reflects on next year’s.

  21. royce! says:

    @simply fred: Yeah, no kidding. I ended up with way too many closers in both of my roto leagues, and had to leave closers on the wire in my h2h.

    I actually drafted Mariano Rivera in the RCL, along with Heath Bell, Wagner, Dotel and Frasor (because it was the RCL, I took a contrarian approach, and drafted a team Grey would have openly mocked). Drafting Rivera (although owning him was nice enough) was totally unnecessary, because I also ended up owning Axford, Takahashi, and some other schmos I can’t remember. Ended up winning saves by 36.

    In my other roto (10 team, tho), I drafted Bell, Aardsma, Nunez, and Mike Gonzalez. Somehow I also got Capps, and Storen, and must’ve also rostered a bunch of other schmos because I won saves again, this time by 21.

    This is probably just another way of saying SAGNOF, but it seems that one’s position in saves (and probably SB) is much less dependent on the draft, and much more dependent on staying active. That’s the rub, though– I don’t think you can win saves without being very active, so unless you anticipate having a little time very day for this shizz, you shouldn’t take on too many leagues.

  22. Bum Juice says:

    @royce!: Excellent

  23. Tony says:

    @Moneybrawl: grey made his predictions last spring, he’s comparing how the players finished overall on the player rater to HIS PREDICITONS…. Since you obviously didn’t read this the first time here’s the interlude to the post:

    With the the top 20 closers for 2010 fantasy baseball, we’ve finished our recap of the 2010 fantasy baseball rankings. Some will feel like it came too soon, others will think let’s get 2011 under way already! Whichever camp you fall in, don’t eat cherimoya seeds, they are poisonous. This is our final look back. This is still a look back. It is not how I’d rank them for 2011 aka next year. As with the other rankings, the final rankings come from ESPN’s Player Rater. I did this so I could objectively critique MY preseason rankings to THEIRS. Their rankings for closers weigh wins when I’d just want saves, but whatevs. At least it’s unbiased. Anyway, here’s the top 20 closers for 2010 fantasy baseball and how they compare to where I originally ranked them:

    now thats some copy pasting….

  24. Tony says:

    @Tony: or “prelude” some type of LUDE!

  25. Simply Fred

    simply fred says:

    @royce!: In the league I am lined up for next year, everyone claims to have won (or 2nd) in the past. Competition for the wire snags may be extremely fierce. Makes me a little nervous about leaving saves and sb largely to the wire… ??

  26. Tony says:

    @simply fred: fred i will say in our league you couldn’t just “find” saves or sbs…. the minute a new closer emerged someone snagged him up. Damn people and their blackberrys… haha

  27. Irish says:

    Why the hate for Frank Francisco? The guy’s run out killer peripherals the last two years, and because there’s some kind of narrative floating around that “he doesn’t have what it takes” to close, everybody bashes him.

    Looking at 2009/2010 numbers, at least the ones that matter (K/9, BB/9, SwStr%) it’s pretty tough to pick a winner between Francisco and Heath Bell. Bell keeps the ball on the ground better, but Francisco induces a lot more pop-ups, a valuable trait for a closer. The biggest differences between the two pitchers are that Texas has yanked Francisco around at any sign of bad luck, and Bell plays in the best pitchers’ park in the best pitchers’ league.

    The Rangers would be much better off sticking Francisco in the closer spot and giving Feliz a shot at starting, but spreading the falsehood that Francisco has been awful after he dropped a 3.31 xFIP on the league last year isn’t going to help that happen.

  28. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Irish: The hate is from the fact that he lost the job on April 12th and never got it back.

  29. The Dude says:

    @simply fred: I’m in a league where getting savers off of waivers (rhyme!) is next to impossible. People in this league speculate on closers by holding their backups and using them as Mr.B’s, which is what I decided to do this year and it worked out.

    I took the strategy of paying for one high end donkeycorn (Marmol) in the draft and then grabbing a few low end donkeycorns and as many brainfreezes as were left (I had 4 closers at the end of the draft). I worked the wire as best as I could and managed to get 3rd in Saves (missing 2nd by 2 saves).

    My final day relievers where:


    Looking back I’m still not sure how I managed this, but SAGNOF came through in the long run.

  30. Chris says:

    Hey Grey,
    Always enjoy reading you. For next year as the ATL closer…
    a. Kimbrel
    b. Venters
    c. Free Agent/Other
    d. Wagner

    Or is it too early?

    Thanks for everything!

  31. Irish says:


    I guess I was confused then by your comment on how he “flat-out [sucked].”

  32. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Chris: Thanks for the kind words! Venters or Free Agent. My random guess is a free agent.

    @Irish: Guess I meant more he flat-out sucked if you wanted 30 saves from him and instead got an ulcer.

  33. Stephen says:

    @Chris: Kimbrel has the sex appeal with his strikeout ability.

  34. Simply Fred

    simply fred says:

    @The Dude: Thanks for sharing. Emboldens me to “take the chance” and try similar this year. You convinced me!

  35. royce! says:

    @simply fred: I had hoped that the RCL involved a bunch of savvy, active managers, but I could be wrong. Many managers seemed to have split once they thought they were too far behind.

    Anyhoo, keeping up with saves in an active league is a daily commitment. And you probably have to roster some closers in waiting if you’re far enough behind or it’s early in the year. But it’s awesome when it pays off and suddenly you get Takahasi giving you 6 saves and a 1.38 ERA in Sept.

  36. Simply Fred

    simply fred says:

    @royce!: Paulie was watching Mets game when Takahashi came in to close. He didn’t wait for the results. Grabbed him. Another manager went to get “Takahashi” after the game. Seeing “Takahashi, KEN-NYN” (being the only Takahashi-NYN on the waiver wire; Hisanori gone) he grabbed him. Didn’t realize for a couple of days–until I emailed him. Yeah, it was cutthroat!

  37. GopherDay says:

    @simply fred: That’s awesome!

  38. Steve says:

    @Grey: Don’t be so mean to everyone’s favourite Taiwanese reliever.

    Yu Go Kuo!

  39. Steve says:

    @Grey: I see that Wakamatsu has been appointed the Jays bench coach.

    I guess that means that whoever becomes the closer can look forward to coming into the game in some very unusual (translation – fantasy team-destroying) situations.

  40. royce! says:

    @simply fred: Yeah, but I’m saying that someone should have owned him before he entered in a save situation. His first save was August 16. On August 13, Grey stated,

    Hisabobby Takafelicianell – The Mets bullpen is in tatters… Shattered. Key syllable is shat. Will the closer be Brother Rob or Disco Bobby Parnell? Feliciano just cut his hair and is no longer interesting. Hisanori is a fun name to say, but does Manuel go there? Don’t know. Do the Mets even get a save? Hard to say. I grabbed Hisanori and Parnell, then I dropped Parnell and grabbed Feliciano. Then I dropped Feliciano, took a steam, had dinner and benched Hisanori. Now, I’m exhausted.

    So I’m saying that Takahashi should have been gone after Aug 13, but at the most before he recorded the save on the 16th.

    All of that said, I didn’t take Grey’s advice either–I didn’t need saves at all, but no one in my league seemed to care enough to grab him by the 16th so I grabbed him on the 17th just to see what he was capable of (and to prevent others from gaining points for saves). Couldn’t have worked out better!

  41. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: I’m guessing Chone Figgins won’t be a Blue Jay any time soon.

  42. royce! says:

    @simply fred: That is hilarious, though, that Ken Takahashi ended up on someone’s team. Real kind of you to let him know there had been a mistake. I’m not sure I would have done the same..

  43. Steve says:

    @Grey: Maybe Wakamatsu owned him.

  44. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: I like Audio Bullys “Only Man.” Good song, you should find it.

  45. Steve says:

    @Grey: Found the vid on YouTube. You are indeed correct. Not normally my thing, but very cool. Has a touch of The Streets about it.

    How goes the plight of indigenous peoples?

  46. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: Yeah, not bad, right? Cool video…. This girl’s annoying, takes her forever to email back.

    @royce!: Nice!

  47. Steve says:

    @Grey: No Wi-Fi in the rainforest.

  48. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: I guess not. I have jury duty this week, so far I haven’t been called. Do you have this nonsense in NZ?

  49. royce! says:

    @Steve: Hey-o! Nice one.

  50. Steve says:

    @Grey: Yeah. I’ve been required for it three times. First time they filled the jury before they got to me, the other two times, my boss wrote me a letter saying I was too busy to do it.

    By nonsense, you obviously meant to say ‘the very foundation of the western justice system’ (emoticon).

    Tell him, royce!

    Oh –

  51. Steve says:

    @Steve: Though that clip does have the potential to be slightly annoying…

  52. royce! says:

    Ken Burns’ The 10th Inning is on tonight, for those who haven’t seen it yet.

    @Grey: I never sat on a jury, and now that I’m a criminal defense attorney, I expect to never have to. I actually wish that I could, because it would be helpful to see how a jury deliberates. But, to commiserate with your plight, I still get jury duty, and have to standby as if I wouldn’t be challenged for cause. Once I get called down, it takes about half a day or more for them to go through the process of my inevitable elimination.

  53. royce! says:

    @Grey: Oh, and in reaction to Steve’s prodding, as much as I think being on a jury must blow, we need more intelligent, nonjudgmental (I was going to say non-prejudiced, but I don’t mean non-racist, I mean people who won’t look at a guy and say, “well, he looks like a drug dealer, so he probably possessed that pot for sale) people on juries. Once a jury finds someone guilty, it is very, very difficult to get that judgment reversed, so it’s important for people to take that responsibility seriously. But in my opinion, there are many many people who should never have been convicted and shouldn’t be in jail. In California, the prison guards’ union, and the prison system generally, makes a ton of money off incarcerating as many people as possible, and they have a ton of political pull. One of the counterweights to their nonsense are reasonable jurors.

  54. Steve says:

    @royce!: Agree. Doesn’t matter what side of the courtroom you’re on, everyone’s interests are best served by having the best calibre of jury possible.

  55. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: I’ve been called three times. The first two I ignored because a friend of mine said if it’s not registered mail you can say you never got it. But then that made me feel guilty so now I’m just going to call and hope they don’t need me. Yeah, like that song too — the first minute or so then I was done with it.

    @royce!: I don’t have an answer but I think it’s flawed that they make up juries with people who can’t wait to get out of there.

    EDIT: Word.

  56. Steve says:

    @Grey: Can’t stop playing ‘Only Man’!

  57. big o says:


    yay .

    espn no longer requiring the services of jon miller and joe morgan .

    maybe the sunday night game will be audio-relevant , from here on out .

  58. royce! says:

    @Grey: I can understand that. In most cases, employers don’t pay squat for jury service, so it’s rare for anyone to be stoked to be there. But I can’t see a solution to that. Paying jurors means raising taxes, and the finger thing means the taxes:

    @big o: Now who am I going to make fun of on Sunday nights? Dammit!!!

  59. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: I know, it’s a great song.

    @big o: I don’t have much faith in them hiring someone that would be that great.

    @royce!: That’s such a great clip.

    @Steve: Yikes, what’s that?

  60. Steve says:

    @Grey: Old school rock. Like Bon Jovi, but better (emoticon).

  61. Steve says:

    @Steve: Australian, BTW. You could slip it into the conversation…

  62. ThE sHiT says:

    @Grey: I had jury duty only once. My lucky ass got into the “random” 12 man pool and I was set to be on the jury. But, I obviously didn’t want to be there, so while the attorneys were screening the other potential jurors, I just put my hands behind my head, rocked back in forth in my chair and was as disrespectful as possible without saying a word. My bad body language got me excused from jury duty and I will stick to that routine if I ever have to again. You should try that if you become so unlucky. BTW, hello!

  63. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: Nothing better than Bon Jovi. I’m from Jersey.

    @ThE sHiT: Ha! So you’re saying I should pretend to be Rainman?

  64. ThE sHiT says:

    @Grey: Yeah whatever it takes to get out of that. People I know always seem to get asked to show up on the last day of their calling in. So keep crossing your fingers all week…

  65. ThE sHiT says:

    @Grey: And if you pretend to be Rainman, I’m going with you to Vegas so you can count the cards in blackjack. Or, if Vegas is too far, Morongo will do.

  66. Futureman says:

    Thanks for these recaps Grey. You don’t get a lot of other fantasy sites or publications eager to revisit their projections. Kudos to you for putting your shiz out there.

  67. big o says:


    “i have a brother-in-law who has made a career in the law enforcement field .
    i have NO reason not to believe EVERYthing a police officer tells me .”

  68. Steve says:

    @Grey: Oh, if you’re saying you prefer nothing to Bon Jovi, I couldn’t agree more.

    I keed. I dont mind them – they have that admirable quality of not taking themselves too seriously.

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