We’ve posted the first update of the Razzball Commenter League (RCL) Master Standings! All 21 leagues (252 teams) are included.  We’ve added a permalink in the left sidebar as well for easy access to future updates.  We’ll do our best to update it every week or so.

A team’s points are calculated as Points in League * Competitive League Index/100

Leagues are indexed based on the overall performance of the league using the following points formulas that were devised by Tom Tango for his projections contest where, incidentally, I finished in the top half for 2009 and I’m competing again in 2010.  (Note:  For RCL leagues, I tweaked his Save multiplier from 1 to 1.5 and using some wizardry to estimate AB and IP).

Hitters:  (HR + SB + (H – .27*AB) + R/3 + RBI/3)
Pitchers: 2*W + 1.5*SV + K/5 + 2*W + SV + K/5 + IP – (H + BB + ER)/2

The average league gets an index of 100.  At this point, the lowest index is 98 and the highest is 103.  Basically, this index just serves as a tiebreaker should two teams have similar point totals at the end of the year.

If you want to boast or complain about your team, feel free to comment on this post or, better yet, comment in the dedicated forums section.

Two last items of business:

1) If you want your commenter handle added to the standings, please comment on this post with your RCL team name.

2) Early congrats to ‘Nobody Beats the Wiz!’ and team swpayton who are 1st and 2nd respectively.

  1. Mike D. says:


    I go to accept Papi for Pierre this AM… and it is gone.

    Email from other owner: “Lowell HR + Need for Sox to win some games = Francona finally cuts cord with Papi in lineup regularly. Sorry.”

    Can’t say I disagree. I beg for a new offer. His reply:

    Michael Young, Salty, Ellis (HIM) for Crash Davis, Papi, S. Sizemore (ME)

    Basically, I’d be selling low on Crash and Papi. But Michael Young’s a pretty good player in AL Only. Should I accept?

    Thanks for your opinion…

  2. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Mike D.: Young is the best player, but you’re giving decent upside in Davis and Sizemore that could bite you bad.

  3. I’m not doing too bad for my first roto league. Our league seems tough too at 103 index.

  4. Lava says:

    Seems like every other Baker/Slowey/Liriano start is good. Slowey and Liriano do well, so Baker has to fall on his face. Next week Slowey or Liriano is going to stutter, and Baker will probably do great!

    And all Sizemore got out of it was a measly double and an RBI.

    *Grumble grumble*

  5. Nathan says:

    Stop the presses. Carlos Gomez just took a walk. Hanrahan is officially the worst pitcher in the majors.

  6. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Lava: Ha… Yeah, was noticing that too. Some kind of karmic distribution.

  7. Randy Wolf for the cheap W!

  8. Matt says:

    @Grey: Hey, Grey, can you try to rank the following starters in a non-keeper?
    Phil Hughes, Justin Masterson, Shaun Marcum, Brad Penny, Jaime Garcia.

  9. and1mcgee says:

    I am staying away from Scott Baker until he can have a good yr.

    If Mr. Perfect is perfection’s king, then Mr. Baker is Mr. Disappointment.

  10. and1mcgee says:

    @and1mcgee: I don’t care that he doesn’t walk anybody. I’d rather he walk someone and go for a double play than throw batting practice.

  11. @Grey:

    I’m starting to think Streamers aint got no faces either…it’s good situations thats key. Obviously you don’t want dogs but any borderline roster guy at the right park or against the right team and opposing starter works just fine.

  12. penpen says:

    @Lava: yeah, Scott sadly half-Baked today.

  13. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Matt: Hughes, Penny, Marcum, Garcia, Masterson…

    @and1mcgee: Ha

    @Elijah: I think they have a face if you’re looking at a situation and avoiding dogs.

  14. Tom Emanski says:

    Ticker tortured by Alcides

  15. @Grey:

    I guess you’re right in that. I’m just making good choices lately. Even Pineiro.

  16. William says:

    @Grey – Is there a verdict on Cougar yet?

  17. Yo Soy No Bueno says:

    Rest of the year, Delmon Young or Andruw Jones?

  18. Lava says:

    @Grey: Some sort of divine will handed down from Romulus and Remus no doubt.


  19. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    My favorite news blurb misprint of the year thus far, courtesy of RotoWire:

    “Greinke is winless in four trips to the mound this season, but he’s pitching well with a 3.28 ERA and 22:7 BB:K in 24.2 innings.”

    Not even Mike Leake’s BB:K rate is that bad.

  20. Mike D. says:

    Thanks Grey. Part of me still can’t believe someone refused to take Papi for Juan Pierre. What’s the baseball world coming to?

    That said, don’t you kinda wish MLB would allow each team to have one designated player taking PEDs on its roster? Teams could develop a SUPERPITCHER who broke bats and screamed ‘roid rage stuff at hitters, or a SUPERHITTER with caveman features who snarled his way to mammoth home run records.

    Oops, I just described Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds. My bad.

    – Mike D.

  21. Pat says:

    In RCL ‘Ones are good right?’ my team name is Worldwide Suicide and my handle here is ‘Pat’. I’m a little confused that I’m second in the league, but ranked (31) behind the 3rd place guy ‘Retro Vertigo’ on the RCL standings. What gives? This is very IMPORTANT!!! haha.

    Thanks for the update!

  22. William says:

    @Awesomus Maximus – Rotoworld has some real winners more often than not

  23. and1mcgee says:

    Alcides Escobar fun fact of the day: Randy Wolf has more hits than you today, 2 to 1. Also, more runs, 2 to 0. Also, LESS men left on base: 1 to 3. Wow. You are NOT ‘the One’.

  24. and1mcgee says:

    @Pat: your handle here is ‘Pat’ ? really? lol i think it says that right above your comment :]

  25. nathaniel_g says:

    Reyes for Alexei and Sparkakis. Which side do you like? I think it might be selling Reyes low.

  26. nmdunkel says:

    How much do ya’ll like Maybin? Guy in my league is trying to offer me him and Andrus for Ethier…

    …And I’m all like, ehhhhh, let me ask Grey and the Razzball universe to get a better handle on that. Not a huge Ethier fan, but that might just be my bias trying to ruin my bias.

  27. @nmdunkel:

    Only if you really needed steals. Ethier seems on the verge of being a solid #1 OF.

  28. royce! says:

    @nmdunkel: I don’t like that- keep Ethier

  29. 2!! walks for Gomez.

  30. Mann of Sandd says:

    I’m the Ybor City Weekenders in the Snake Eyes league.

  31. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:

    @Grey: Hey Razzolios: I just booted Beltre to pick up Kelly Johnson. (I need Rs. I need lots of stuff.)

    Should I be interested in Mike Lowell? If he gets ABs? And hits? Could he be useful as a 3Bman? I’d have to eject Kelly for him, no doubt.

  32. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:

    @Baron Von Vulturewins: My in-depth investigation reveals his outlier 120 ribbie season is even longer ago than I thought.

    If I wanted .275/17/75, I’d have kept Beltre.

    Carry on!

  33. royce! says:

    @Mann of Sandd: I’ve heard that place is tres speedy…you must hate Mondays!

  34. Lava says:

    @Mike D.: I like it. It can be the new revenue sharing for small market teams. I’m sure a couple of players like that on the A’s would help put people in the stands.

  35. royce! says:

    Dotel KAZAAM at work… probably a good idea to bring him in, what with the Pirates leading by negative 16.

  36. Dingo says:

    Effing Kazaam Dotel! This is just what I needed, what with Lester, Frank Frank, Beckett, and Vazquez conspiring to give me a 5.05 ERA and a 1.54 WHIP. GAA!!

  37. penpen says:

    Man, Sizemore is depressing right now. With Quentin at least you have some peripherals to talk yourself off the ledge with. But Grady’s looking a little less optimistic. His BABIP is .281 so not much funny biz there, and his BB:K is 4:16. Yeck.

  38. Nathan says:

    Great. 5 hits (including 1 to Carlos Gomez), 2 runs, 0 dignity for Dotel. Come on, Pirates. Rally and score 21 runs in the bottom of the ninth and get him the W.

  39. Beau says:

    @royce!: Damnit I closed the gamecast figuring nothing would happen, if Dotel Kazaams all over my ratios Im going to be pissed.

  40. ThePoonTycoon says:

    @nmdunkel: i’d have to be seriously hurting for SBs and in dire need for any kinda warm body at SS to make that trade. and i like maybin. he was one of my late round fliers in 2 leagues and is looking good thus far, but ethier has pretty much developed into a .290-30-100 type guy. if you are desperate for SBs i would trade a lesser part for a SAGNOF. and if you need SBs and a SS, i would trade someone buried on your bench for evercab.

  41. Dingo says:

    Fer crying out loud. It’s 19-0 and Dotel can’t even find the strike zone to get the last out. Can

  42. Dingo says:

    ‘t the mercy rule be put into effect?

    [sorry for the interrupted post]

  43. Beau says:

    @Beau: At least some of it will be unearned.

  44. penpen says:

    @penpen: Actually one glimmer in the gloom: his L/R splits are even more ridiculous this year than usual and he’s had an unusually high number of at-bats vs. LHP so far (22; vs. 25 for RHP).

  45. ThePoonTycoon says:

    fuck me pirates. i’m already in last place in my detel-owned league and now he’s kazaa league worst era and whip. jesus.

  46. ThePoonTycoon says:

    @ThePoonTycoon: edit: kazaam’ing

  47. nmdunkel says:

    @ Elijah & Royce:

    Thanks, guys. I do need speed badly, but I was looking for more of a validation on my belief that it’s not an especially great trade. Which I got.

    @ Grey:

    Ok, that’s what I needed to hear. That answer says a lot more to me than just what those three words say. Thanks!

  48. Nathan says:

    Only 2 ER out of 4 R. I love the rule that says if the error would have been the 3rd out, all subsequent runs are unearned.

    Talk about getting tied to the WHIP-ping post, though.

  49. Dingo says:

    @ThePoonTycoon: I’m going through the exact same thing right now — both the league-worst ERA (and 2nd-worst WHIP) and the inability to post coherent comments.

  50. wakeNbake says:

    @penpen: Tell me about it… I have them both. There killin my avg. right now

  51. Erock says:

    @royce!: Yeah, don’t the hangers-on or your friends…

  52. Ben the M says:

    Grey –

    Which side do you take?

    HanRam, Felix, FraGu or Kemp, Reyes, Cliffly

  53. and1mcgee says:

    @Ben the M: HanRam, Felix, FraGu (no-brainer)

  54. nmdunkel says:

    @ thepoontycoon:

    Yeah, that’s what I was thinking before I started thinking. Thanks for keeping me in line.

  55. eltoo says:

    i’m “meat curtains” in the “ONES are good right?” league

  56. Eddy says:

    My first foray into roto hasn’t gone so well. My highpoint has been 8th on one night and then I just flip flop between 10th and 9th.

    If only my ERA and WHIP were not dead last dammit!

  57. ThePoonTycoon says:

    @Dingo: ha, yeah. this was my first auction draft ever (been playing fantasy baseball for years, just my main league was always a snake draft), and i wasn’t thrilled with my team. even still my staff shouldn’t be this bad…lester, slowey, dlr, marcum, ervin santana at SP; marmol, dotel at RP; cueto, kennedy, garcia, and procello on the bench. i’m wishing i had spent more $$ on a #2 SP behind lester. live and learn i guess.

  58. Nathan says:

    @ThePoonTycoon: “live and learn i guess”

    That’s a jagged little pill, man.

  59. Ben the M says:

    @and1mcgee: Thank you sir! That was my first reaction.

  60. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    Seriously… WTF was the point of bringing in Dotel? Is there ANYTHING good that could have come of his appearance?

  61. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:

    @Eddy: I am also feeling that pain right now.

  62. Eddy says:

    @Baron Von Vulturewins:
    Definitely, and I happened to be the guy with Zambrano. As luck would have it, I actually dropped Wolf a few days ago for Jaime. Now instead of possibly Wolf and Jaime, I have Jaime and Millwood, the best option in the pool.

    But on the bright side, I lead in SVs. Hurray me?

  63. Grey

    Grey says:

    Damn, Kazaam!

  64. Eddy says:

    1) Do you think Garza can be trusted to continue pitching this way all year? Not scoreless outings everytime, but 2 ERs-3 ERs max. In other words, is this his breakout season?

    2) Would you trade Jaime and Pelfrey for him?

  65. ThePoonTycoon says:

    @Eddy: yes and yes

  66. AubreyHuffingGlue says:

    @Grey: So should we consider dropping dotel at this point? I’ve got Feliz and Cordero as my other closers right now and was considering picking up bard … He won’t get me any saves, but at least he won’t screw up all my ratios.

  67. royce! says:

    @Erock: Going to see them in a (relatively) small venue in Solana Beach on 5/4. Been listening to the new record too, wasn’t sure if I could dig em nearly as much without Nicolay, but it’s growing on me.

    I’m jealous of the Twin Cities for having them as what I would consider the team band. My hometown of Seattle had Death Cab at opening day, leading the most twee and somber Take Me Out to the Ballgame I’ve ever seen.

    San Diego, OTOH, seems to have little interest in music at the games. Though whomever programs the filler music at the games has improved a lot this year… they’ve been playing classic Beastie Boys breaks, and some Violent Femmes and not nearly as much Hoobastank and other rap/rock.

    I wanna convince a Padre to play Constructive Summer when they get up to bat. GET HAMMERED! Or maybe they should just play that line when the D’Backs’ relievers enter.

  68. ThePoonTycoon says:

    @royce!: i wish the nats would get fugazi to do take me out to the ballgame.

  69. Mr. Rickey says:

    Deep NL only and in need of saves. Make a play for Qualls? Would you give up Lowe or Correria? Under league rules if he goes to the AL, his owner is SOL.

  70. Lava says:

    Sizemore has never really been an average guy though, am I right in remembering that? I always thought that he struck out a bit and had a lowish average, but the 30/30 potential made up for it.

    I have a feeling he’ll get hot at some point (against RHP or something) and be solid from then on out.

    If not, we’re in for a long season. He was the only guy I liked in the second round for both snake draft leagues I’m in after taking power in the first round.

  71. AL KOHOLIC says:

    @Grey: franky frank or rodney?franky just dropped in a league

  72. Steve says:

    Y’all can thank me for Olivo’s donk. I dropped him for Pudge in a league last night.

    Serves me right, I guess.

  73. AL KOHOLIC says:

    thanks,great post again as always

  74. AL KOHOLIC says:

    @Steve: ive got suzuki,he,s been stinking but grey preaches sticking with them a while,rewarded with a 3 run shot off C.C ,which makes it even more rewarding

  75. AL KOHOLIC says:

    now suzuki hits into a triple play,

  76. GopherDay says:

    Grey, would you trade Heyward and Jair Jurjjens for Quentin and Hudson?

  77. Steve says:

    @AL KOHOLIC: Yeah, normally I do, but thought I would go with more of a full-timer who’s hitting well right now.

    Suzuki against me in H2H this week. I hate that guy (except when he hits into triple plays). Grey, why isn’t he sucking? You said he would.

  78. GopherDay says:

    Franklin Morales or Brian Fuentes?

  79. KarlJ. says:

    Ugh after looking at the master RCL standings I think I am going to sick

  80. KarlJ. says:

    to be sick

  81. Dad says:

    @AubreyHuffingGlue: It’s near impossible to drop a closer with a job and a good k rate.

    But seriously Dotel, my team doesn’t need you or your 8 avio’s!!!

  82. @Grey:

    Poor Steve. Heh.

  83. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    @AL KOHOLIC: “Uh treepuhl pleeeh”. Shut up, Scott Stapp!

    @Steve: I owned Olivo in three leagues and Suzuki in another… replaced with Napoli across the board when Mathis’ X-rays came up broke. me = frown

  84. Steve says:

    @Grey: @Elijah: The worst thing about Suzuki going deep today was that he was doing it at the same time as Dotel was crappng on my ERA and WHIP.

    Don’t make me pull out some of your quotes on Dotel, Grey (emoticon).

  85. @Steve:

    Yeah, I was laughing at everyone who owns Dotel til I rememebered I’m one of em.

  86. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: Eh, he got Kazaam’d. It happens.

  87. GopherDay says:

    @Grey: Ah! Sorry about that. It is indeed Tim Hudson, and I will indeed be pressing the accept button.

  88. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    @Elijah: Grey’s the one who told me to go ahead and replace them with Napoli! I’m not terribly concerned about missing out on the two HRs today, truth be told. I think Napoli will be the better option long term.

  89. Steve says:

    @Grey: Yeah, he’ll be fine.

    Just looked him up, though. Hasn’t pitched a scoreless inning since April 10, given up runs in his last five outings.

  90. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    @Awesomus Maximus: And actually, I just remember that Napoli wasn’t available in one of those leagues, so I got the Olivo jack there, at least. /golf clap

  91. GopherDay says:

    @Grey: Do you value Quentin or Lind higher right now? Just looking at rankings/ownership in Yahoo, I think I could probably squeeze some more out of the other owner…

  92. and1mcgee says:

    if real-life GMs picked up and dropped players as much as fantasy GMs, I’d lost interest in a millisecond. LOL!

  93. brad says:

    I’m John Montgomery Wards – RCL 8

  94. royce! says:

    Apropos of nothing, I just ran my name through two Wu Tang Name Generators. One: Greasy Choirboy. Two: Profound Conqueror. Uh, I think I’ll go with two.

    On the first one I ran my wife’s name and she got 100-Watt Warlock. Jealous!

  95. Brade says:

    Thanks for posting, Grey. Nice to see my Town Ball crew with the highest league index!

  96. Steve says:

    @Awesomus Maximus: Actually I still have him in one league too – couldn’t find a decent replacement.

  97. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    Yay… Bailey gets a save opp! Oh crap… facing Tex, A-Rod and Cano.

  98. ThePoonTycoon says:

    in other news, rauch threw an inning in an 8-1 loss today and didn’t kazaam me. so i guess there is that. but seriously guys, i mean seriously, why?

  99. GopherDay says:

    @royce!: That’s epic!!

  100. Buddo Chezuski says:

    Grey, thanks for the quick response. I’m not surprised b/c I’ve realized you’re not a Porcello guy. Would using the #1 waiver priority effect your decision at all?

  101. Denys says:

    i think I-Rod figured out that he doesn’t have it to swing for the fences anymore and adjusted to hit singles

    ladies and gents – your 2010 batting champ …

  102. Tony says:

    1st- thanks dotel for ass fucking me in two leagues

    2nd- in the RCL i’m THE WOODY PAIGE ALL STARS, Tony somewhere around #195? haha…. hopefully moving up that list!

  103. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Buddo Chezuski: Nope

    @Denys: Can we quote you on that in June, July, August or September?

  104. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Tony: Cool, will update.

  105. Denys says:

    @Grey: if his knees don’t give out by next week!

  106. Lava says:

    Walks, Ubaldo, WALKS?!

    I don’t care if you are pitching fantastically again, anything less than a perfect game is a disappointment now!

  107. Tom Reale says:

    Why would I bring Dotel in for non-save situation? That’s a tough one, but I’ll take a shot. Say I’m the manager for the Pittsburgh Pirates and the Brewers run up an 18 run lead on us. And I’m real happy with myself cuz, hey, I ain’t losing by 20 or something crazy like that. But, maybe bringing in Dotel was just the thing that Prince Fielder needed to bust out of his 0-for-2010. Now, the ‘perts are saying bring in a mop-up guy, you know someone that you wouldn’t actually use to close out a closer game cuz they don’t give a shit. They don’t have Prince Fielder on their fantasy team. They probably wanted me to bring in Jack Taschner to get come-backers in the ass. Or maybe they wanted me to leave in Hanrahan, that guy works for 15 cents a day and no bathroom breaks. But what they don’t realize, is I’d like to win my fantasy baseball league this year cuz I know that my actual baseball team doesn’t have a chance in hell. And by the seventh inning stretch I was back in the clubhouse drinking martinis and fuckin’ playing hold’em with Ryan Doumit. I figured, fuck it, why not cut Andrew McCutchen, take his job and give it to John Raynor, hike up ticket prices, give up a few hits to Manny Parra, hit the hash pipe and play some cards? I could be elected General Manager for the Toronto Blue Jays.

    John Russell

  108. Kazmere says:

    I’m getting cramps just thinkig about throwing Peavy against the Rays tonight. Someone– Grey??!– talk me out of it!

  109. crews says:


  110. Grey

    Grey says:


  111. @crews:

    I think its a spitball.

  112. Rich says:

    mohr2427 – Karmic Kings – RCL 3

  113. john says:

    Should I drop Desmond, Headley, Rasmus or McLousy to pick up Jaime Garcia for a stream pitch tomorrow?

  114. Grey

    Grey says:

    @john: Drop Desmond for him.

  115. crews says:

    @Elijah: I think it’s a Butterball.

  116. Dingo says:

    @Grey: Hoooooooooooooooray!!!

  117. NoonTime says:

    NoonTime = Bushwood Varmint Cong in the RCL Epic Beardmen Division

    52 moves and counting! While some like to zig when others zag… the BVC like to Scatter-Two-Bunch Right-Zip-Fire Right-273-Pivot-F Flat-Post-3-on 2!

  118. Josh says:

    Hey I’m in the “Razzball 4” league and I don’t see myself or anyone in that league on the standings… what gives?

  119. wily mo says:

    is there a name cued up for the next donkey? i don’t think mini-mini-mini donkey is gonna fly. microdonkey? mini cooper donkey? my little pony?

  120. Dingo says:

    @Grey: Also – that’s a great way for MMD to respond to getting moved up to the #5 spot in the lineup. Maybe it might become a permanent thing?

  121. @Dingo:

    I would if I were them.

  122. Yo Soy No Bueno says:

    Why, why…why put Ubaldo out there in the 7th when he’s already thrown 103 pitches?

  123. @Josh: What’s the URL for your league standings page?

  124. brad says:

    Someone just dropped Peavy in my 10 tm 6×6 (OBP/OBPA) roto league. Do you see any room for him?

    C Matt Wieters
    1B Justin Morneau
    2B Gordon Beckham
    3B Ryan Zimmerman
    SS José Reyes
    CI Garrett Jones
    MI Kelly Johnson
    OF Ryan Braun
    OF Curtis Granderson
    OF Justin Upton
    OF Carlos González
    Util Jason Heyward
    BN Scott Podsednik
    BN Lance Berkman

    SP Cole Hamels
    SP Jonathan Sánchez
    RP Billy Wagner
    RP Neftali Feliz
    P Trevor Hoffman
    P Kevin Gregg
    P Octavio Dotel
    BN Jon Lester
    BN Matt Garza
    BN Ricky Nolasco
    BN Jered Weaver

  125. Grey

    Grey says:

    @brad: Take Jones and Pods and rade them for something. Consolidate. Or drop Jones and move Berkman in.

  126. royce! says:

    @wily mo: My Little Pony! I’m gonna exclaim that every time a weak batter homers! Would have really come in handy when Eckstein hit that walk off the other night.

  127. ThePoonTycoon says:

    @Yo Soy No Bueno: he’s about to go out in the 8th. either that or the rockies just let him hit for the hell of it.

  128. crews says:

    @Brad: What? You couldn’t get Lincecum and Halladay too?
    I’d lose one of the lesser relief pitchers (say Dotel or Gregg).

  129. Yo Soy No Bueno says:

    …and now in the eighth…Tracy is…batting him.

  130. aconstipatedmonkey says:

    @Yo Soy No Bueno: most any other pitcher, i’d agree on this. When you can throw 98 mph on your 128th pitch, however………….

  131. Paulie Allnuts

    Paulie Allnuts says:

    @brad: Great name! I’m remaining anonymous for now, at least until my team reaches the level of mediocrity.

  132. ThePoonTycoon says:

    yeah his velocity is fine, so maybe he’s one of those guys that can throw for days

  133. GopherDay says:

    @wily mo: I’m liking My Little Pony…But what if….*gasp* there isn’t anyone that lives up to the lavish title of Mini-Donkey??? You know the whole, power, steal, and strike out like mad, thing.

  134. mauledbypandas says:

    Olivo has an arm eh?

  135. brad says:

    @Grey: Yeah, I’ve got a couple consolidation trades floating, but I’ll double my efforts. It would hurt my soul to drop Robot Jones.

  136. ThePoonTycoon says:

    his last pitch was 98 so wasn’t tiring too much

  137. Yo Soy No Bueno says:

    I certainly don’t understand the ins and outs of pitching, but arms are fragile, and this seems like taking a pretty severe chance pretty early on in the year, against a mediocre team, when you should be relying on your bullpen.

  138. wily mo says:

    @wily mo: i just re-read my own comment and got a mental image of a small donkey flying through the air, laughing. this was not my intent, but there it is. my little pony indeed.

    regarding octavio “don’t ask” dotel – i actually still kind of like him. this today was stupid, and he’s generally giving up runs, but he hasn’t blown any saves yet (except for that one), he’s a veteran they signed to close and they don’t have much else so he’ll have reasonable leash, he gets Ks. and the bad-team factor for closers is deeply overrated. people talking about outright dropping him, i hear that, i smell buy-low. …if you need saves, obviously.

  139. brad says:

    @Paulie Allnuts: Thanks Paulie, glad you like it. Ward’s was maybe my favorite story from the Ken Burns’ epic. I wasn’t aware of him before that, but I always love me a syndicalist.

  140. tbox311 says:

    team name: Baltimore Scorioles

  141. Tom Emanski says:

    You’d think that Sean-Rod would get the start after his last game, but nope. Fantasy gods hate me.

  142. @wily mo:

    Yeah I think it’s not linear on saves vs overall team wins as teams like Philly and NYY are gonna blow out teams, and they will also string together wins and so guys will be unavailable at times. Teams like KC, when they do win its probably gonna be by 3 runs or less most of the time.

  143. Tom Emanski says:

    @wily mo: LOL at “don’t ask” Dotel.

  144. john says:

    @Yo Soy No Bueno: Its dependent on the pitcher. Some guys have rubber arms and can just pitch forever. Other guys desperately need to stick to a pitch count because of soreness. It really does vary from pitcher to pitcher and if he’s still throwing gas at 98 mph on his last pitch, then there is no soreness in that arm.

  145. Paulie Allnuts

    Paulie Allnuts says:

    @brad: Fascinating guy. A terrific pitcher (pitched the 2nd perfect game in ML history, besides winning 47 games one year in 600 innings (Dusty was his manager); played shortstop, was a manager, entrepenour, as well as the original Marvin Miller. Bill James’ Win Shares system has him rated as the 15th greatest non-pitcher in baseball history.

  146. Adam says:

    Any advice on holds? I grabbed Bard and Saito thinking I’d have a solid base, and I’m currently whiffing…I see Jensen Lewis on waivers with solid numbers and 0 holds, then some clown named Joe Smith has 3? I’m lost…

  147. wily mo says:

    @GopherDay: well, then we wait.

  148. Tom Emanski says:

    @Adam: I’ve tried to get advice on holds here, but it rightfully gets ignored. As Dave Chappelle playing Prince would say, “holds bore me”.

  149. Steve says:

    @Adam: You were right to draft those two guys, but if they’re not getting holds, drop one of ’em for a guy that is.

    Are there plenty of MRs available in your league?

  150. Grey

    Grey says:

    @mauledbypandas: Yeah, he does.

    @tbox311: Thanks!

    @Adam: They’re arbitrary. No reason why the guys you have shouldn’t be getting Holds.

  151. Adam says:

    @Steve: Top leaders in the holds category available are Joe Smith and Will Ohman…other interesting names include Frasor, McClellan and Jensen Lewis

    I’m thinking maybe Ohman, based on the fact that a LOOGY type doesn’t have as great a potential to blow up my ratios, although Lewis/Smith have solid ratios and Frasor still has closing potential

  152. Real Tom says:

    Grey, should we grab Aroldis Chapman or Justin Smoak now that Leake and Chris Davis are playing so poorly?

  153. GopherDay says:

    I wonder if the NFL draft goes to auto-pick if a team doesn’t pick within the timeline…

  154. Griff says:

    Stubbs is no longer leading off and Votto gets an RBI without having to hit a home run. Did everyone see how that works?

  155. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Real Tom: Smoak and Aroldis won’t be up until June is my best guess. So it depends how competitive your league is.

    @GopherDay: Ha!

    @Griff: Hehe

  156. Steve says:

    CQ dropped down the order today.

  157. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: Maybe it will spark some life into him.

  158. Steve says:

    @Grey: If Shields can’t get CQ out, he needs to take a long hard look at himself.

  159. mauledbypandas says:

    oh man i have a bad feeling CJ Wilson is going to get Greinke’d today

  160. mauledbypandas says:

    Bruce! sonofabench homer. Why did I start Span today?

  161. Kazmere says:


  162. GopherDay says:

    I need the Mets and the Red Sox to score so I can get a win from Santana and Clay

  163. GopherDay says:

    @GopherDay: Ask and ye shall recieve!! Go Wright!!

  164. GopherDay says:

    @GopherDay: STupid Cruz~!

  165. Griff says:

    @GopherDay: I feel bad for Cubs fans watching Soriano move around in left. Maybe Piniella can move him into the bullpen and put Zambrano in left.

  166. @Adam: Holds are perhaps the most arbitrary stat that I can think of. Only slightly more so than saves. I once suggested we use holds in my home league a few years ago and was bombarded with garbage and expletives. After playing in a holds league last year, I understand why.

    Don’t get me started. I just re-read the chapter on closers in “Baseball Between The Numbers.” The whole saves/holds thing is absolute rubbish. Shame that managers seem beholden to the agents who drive the propagation of idiotic stats.

  167. @Grey:

    I’d suggest you goad Quentin a bit but after you made Reynold’s quad sore I’m worried you might get overzealous.

  168. SamYo says:

    @Elijah: Correction, 3.
    Clay looked good until the seventh though.

  169. @SamYo:

    About time to pull CJ.

  170. MarkM says:

    I want to punch Jake Peavy in the jugglar. Discuss.

  171. MarkM says:

    @MarkM: Jugular*

  172. Grey

    Grey says:

    @MarkM: Because he’s a clown? Oh.

  173. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    @3FingersBrown: I would never play in a Holds league. Wins and Saves are hard enough pitcher counting categories to manage, why add another nearly impossible stat to predict? To me, it’s as pointless as adding Sac Flys as a batting category.

  174. MarkM says:

    I know this isn’t really the place for this. But did anyone else almost wet themselves laughing when McDaniels drafted Tebow over Claussen and McCoy?

  175. mauledbypandas says:

    @Awesomus Maximus: i played in a league with game winning RBI once.. that was pointless and random

  176. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    Random thought, but anyway… how do you think a player like Martin Dihigo would be handled (fantasy-wise) if he existed in modern baseball? Potential 15-20 game winner on the mound, .300+ BA on his “rest” days as a batter (not to mention the position eligibility). I understand that the question is somewhat absurd, given that the chances someone could do what he did in the modern version of the game is one in a billion, but what if?

    Would he show up twice in drafts/rosters (once as a batter, once as a pitcher)? Would FBB sites have to revamp their systems to allow you to move a player back and forth between the batting and hitting slots? Or revamp to allow pitchers’ batting stats to count?

  177. Adam says:

    @Awesomus Maximus: Ya, this is my first year playing in a holds league, I’m not thrilled about it…I hate having to leave valuable SP or even backup hitters on the FA list so I can roster Jensen f’n Lewis

  178. MarkM says:

    @Awesomus Maximus: I don’t think you could do the double stats deal. NL pitchers like Big Z (pre exile) and Micah Owings all of a sudden become way more valuable.

  179. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    @mauledbypandas: Wow… didn’t know that stat was even an option, and I once played in a 20×20 league (purely as a goof/experiment).

  180. timSTi says:

    @MarkM: denver traded a 2nd, 3rd, & 4th rnd pick to draft a QB who is #3 on their depth chart behind orton & quinn? glad the pats got rid of mcdaniels before he could make some mind boggling moves like that.

  181. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    @MarkM: I agree… however, Dihigo once went 18-2 with a 0.90 ERA while sporting a .387 BA. Do you put someone like that in the system as a pitcher or as a batter?

  182. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:

    Honestly… I f’ing hate the fact that the NFL infects the sports world (talk shows, newspapers, Sportscenter, etc.) year round. Can’t Razzball’s baseball posts be the one place where I don’t have to read/hear about it? (not directed at anyone in particular, just an angry baseball-only fan venting)

  183. MarkM says:

    @timSTi: Agreed.

    @Awesomus Maximus: I say you pick when you draft and can’t cross streams, so to speak.

  184. @Awesomus Maximus: Yeah it’s silly. My home league experimented using Losses one year. Got rid of it the year after. I always laugh when I see leagues that count batters hitting for the cycle.

    Hey speaking of relievers being used properly: Nice to see K-Rod come in to a game in a high leverage situation with one out in the 8th. First time in 5 years he’s had to get 5 outs for a save.

    Real life reliever usage is a joke. I can’t understand how a guy who’s supposed to be your relief “ace,” can’t go 2 innings. Definitely an aspect of the game that used to be handled better, in spite of all of the breakthrough in sabremetrics and what not. It’s extra weird when you can remember guys like The Goose and Fingers coming into the game in the most critical, late-inning situation, regardless of how many outs were needed for a Save.

  185. royce! says:

    @Grey: Actually, because he’s a circus!

  186. paulzone says:

    would you trade quentin/feliz for choo?

  187. @3FingersBrown:

    We use losses in our Hth league, its makes it harder to stream so it does have a strategic element.

  188. paulzone says:

    if you played in a shallow league with no bench and outfield positions, who would drop out of bruce and pence? 5×5 plus obp, err, gidp.

  189. Yo Soy No Bueno says:

    Wow. Is it time to completely give up on Peavy or wait this out and see if he can, somehow, put it together?

  190. Martin says:

    What do you think of CJ wilson. Should i drop cueto or maybin for him?

  191. Commish Cauda (formerly Mike) says:

    Which arm would you take a flier on at this point in a deep H2H league?

    Livan Hernandez
    Anibal Sanchez
    Jeremy Guthrie
    Homer Bailey
    Dave Bush
    Carlos Silva
    Greg Smith

  192. herschel says:

    @Grey: 2 questions. Who do you think gets called up first, and who do you think has the largest fantasy impact in 2010 from the following?

    buster posey
    pedro alvarez
    madison bumgarner
    desmond jennings
    michael stanton
    chris tillman


  193. mrbaseball says:

    @herschel – chris tillman – I went to the fair today and there was some dude there that would answer your questions for a Dollar – I know thats a Dollar more that Grey charges but he predicted chris tillman

  194. nick m. says:

    **Smoak being called up, Davis being sent down per Rotoworld…

  195. Grey

    Grey says:

    @nick m.: Thanks for the heads up!

  196. Steve says:

    @Grey: What are you thinking about starting Cuto tomorrow?

    Disclaimer: I probably don’t need to start him.

    Also – Ike or Smoak?

  197. rafi says:

    now that he’s been called up, what kind of season do you project for smoak?

  198. preptime says:

    Projections for Smoak?

  199. rafi says:

    i’m kicking myself cuz i was $1 short on the faab for smoak this past sunday.

  200. Grey

    Grey says:

    @Steve: It’s Cueto’s last chance for redemption. Smoak over Davis.

    @rafi: @preptime: Coming in tomorrow’s round up.

  201. Steve says:

    A clean inning for Verlander! (dances round the room).

  202. wily mo says:

    this is lame. looks like i have 3 pitchers coming off the DL in the next week or so (lilly, matsuzaka, k wood). the lowest guys on my totem pole right now are:

    * uribe / callaspo / e aybar (but that’s my whole 3B/SS rotation, sorta need all of them)
    * borbon (strongly inclined to hold)
    * hermida (most droppable, but i love his vibe right now, and kind of need an OF bat in this slot whether it’s him or someone else)
    * SPs – romero, penny, ervin, marcum, CJ wilson, pelfrey (basically all rocking)
    * jim johnson (getting saves)

    my choices are (1) drop -three- of these guys when i don’t want to drop any of them, (2) make some 2 for 1 trades but i’m kinda doubtful anybody will be biting, or (3) freeze my roster and leave all the pitchers on the DL until things evolve. i’m kind of leaning towards (3) right now. was almost hoping CJ got owned tonight just to help me simplify, but no such luck.

    it’s not really a question, i’m just thinking out loud

  203. PWNightmare says:

    @Grey: PWNightmare, team owner of the 71st place Halie Selasie Lions of Judah (RCL Faux McGwire League).

  204. sal says:

    Whats up with Feliz not getting the call in the ninth tonight?

    Washington is a bastard.

  205. preptime says:

    @Grey: Would it be a terrible idea to drop A. Soriano or Billingsley to pick up Smoak in a 5 man keeper league?

  206. charlie batch says:

    would you start kawakami @NYM tmrw?

  207. rafi says:

    @Grey would you deal gavin floyd for him in a redraft al-only league? or too soon? i’m strong in pitching in that league…

  208. William says:

    @Grey – Tomorrow’s headline going to be a play on Smoak?

  209. PWNightmare says:

    …and don’t you worry, Nobody Beats the Wiz! will fall. He has the early streakers.

  210. rafi says:

    @William @Grey too bad they didn’t call him up on 4/20

  211. Steve says:

    @Grey: How about Erv? Thinking I’d prefer the disappointment of a sonavabenching to the anguish of a shellacking.

  212. charlie batch says:

    @Steve: i wouldnt start him

  213. rafi says:

    @Grey or i could dangle Masterson instead. those two are the back of my rotation… anderson, garza and slowey are the front. i’m gonna need to deal someone sooner or later for a bat or a closer.

    i’m really obsessing about smoak as the one that got away. i was gonna change my bid sunday night and that would have got him for me but fell asleep on the couch instead. damn my fatness.

  214. sal says:

    Clay sealed the deal…

    BOSTON — Daisuke Matsuzaka will be inserted into the Boston Red Sox’s rotation, manager Terry Francona said before Thursday’s game, and according to a team source, Tim Wakefield was told before the game he will be moved to the bullpen.

    The Wakefield move was first reported by Comcast Sports New England’s Sean McAdam. (then reported by sal)

  215. nick m. says:

    @Grey: Rasmus, Krispie Young, or Maybin?

  216. mrbaseball says:

    I know you are all excited that Smoak has just been called up – My advice is if you own Jason Giambi drop him for Smoak

  217. mrbaseball says:

    If I was the red soxs I would only pitch Wakefield when up by 7 runs or down by 7 runs – the way the league is stealing off of him and his catchers

  218. mrbaseball says:

    Steve Balboni could steal a base on Wakefield

  219. Cheese

    Cheese says:

    I dropped Glaus for Smoak…

  220. Dumbmutt says:

    Dropped Fred Lewis for Smoak hope it works out :snicker:

  221. royce! says:

    @Steve: Grey’s answer in the post before last was to bench him.

  222. Terry Grant says:

    I’ve never understood all the hate for holds as a stat. It’s essentially a save in the middle of a ball game, and while the criteria to earn one is a little more varied than a save, it’s not THAT much more complex.
    The hold is (unfortunately) the only stat that really makes mid relievers relevant in fantasy, and I personally hate the idea of a whole section of the player pool being irrelevant in a standard 5×5. Especially one as important in real baseball as the mid reliever is.
    Just look for primary setup men with dominant stuff, and you should be fine.

    Maybe it’s just me, as I certainly seem to be in the minority on this, but I don’t get why so many cats hate hate hate the hold.

  223. mrbaseball says:

    Rangers optioned 1B Chris Davis to Triple-A Oklahoma City.

  224. @Elijah: I hear that. I don’t have a problem with streaming though. If you want to play matchups all year long, good luck with that. If I could predict who’s going to win all the time, I’d be in book-making, not fantasy baseball. I don’t like playing with Loses because, like Wins and Saves, they’re far too dependent on circumstance and not the actual skill of a pitcher.

    Wow Smoak’s up huh? Pretty exciting. Too bad I just put in a bid on Ike in the only league where I really have a spot for him.

    @Grey: From what I’ve read, Smoak seems like he’s got more upside than Ike huh?

  225. Steve says:

    @royce!: Many thanks!

  226. royce! says:

    @3FingersBrown: you can’t cancel the bid? i just did so in yahoo

  227. wily mo says:

    feeling much less nervous about dropping chris davis yesterday now.

    i’m not going *crazy* for smoak in mixed leagues at this point. like, i just hovered over him for a few seconds and then failed to pull the trigger on dropping hermida for him. smoak hit 10 homers in almost 400 AB between AA and AAA last year. 2 so far this year in 46 AB. he’s 23 years old. kotchman’s on the wire in that league; they might not be that different this year.

    on the plus side, his K:BB is great, he’s a switch-hitter and everyone seems to agree that the power talent is in there. it *could* suddenly appear. who knows. i just added him in two leagues that are so deep pretty much every position player with a starting job is owned except for cesar izturis, and i’m pretty happy about it. i just wouldn’t expect miracles in terms of HR power this year.

  228. @royce!: Nevermind. Someone got him 15 minutes ago in my auction league. Dudes are fast!

    @All: Who’ll be the bigger fantasy contributor this season/long term: Smoak or Carlos Santana. I have Santana in a keeper and I’m thinking he might be more valuable due to position scarcity – particularly as trade bait down the stretch.

  229. @wily mo: Yeah I hear you. I’ve heard so much about this kid for two years now, all the Texiera comparisons, but I see those so-so power numbers and I don’t know what to think. Never seen him with my own eyes, so I find it hard to judge. Obviously, if he keeps walking like he has, he should definitely have more value in an OBP league.

  230. Yo Soy No Bueno says:

    Justin Smoak or Jose Guillen in an OBP league?

  231. Tom Emanski says:

    I picked up Ike Davis when he was called up. This triggered another guy to pick up Smoak, and now I want Smoak.

  232. @wily mo:

    Its Texas tho…gives him extra upside.

  233. eltoo says:

    @Anyone……Smoak getting called up kind of kills me, I play in a keeper league (12 team, roto, 5X5) where we have no bench spots except for one minor league player that must be listed as “NA” by yahoo. As soon as your minor league player is called up they must be moved into an active spot or the commish cuts them within 24 hours. So my dilemma is I’d like to hang on to Smoak as it’s a keeper league and I only have a few players who are not under contract for next year.

    I have to choose from:

    Stephen Drew

    I have the best offense currently, but am hurting for steals so I’d like to give Borbon some time. I think Peavy is the obvious choice, especially after tonite. My other pitchers are Ubaldo, Nolasco, Price, Slowey, Marcum (he’s a keeper costing me next to nothing so I’d keep him over peavy) so I think I can afford to lose Peavy.

    Lose Peavy, right?

  234. wily mo says:

    @Yo Soy No Bueno: my eyeball says guillen. he’s kind of a d-bag, and he’s probably going to pull up with some awful nagging injury that saps his production for the rest of the year at some point, but it’s real hard for me to find my way to drop a guy who’s hitting like that, and who we know has 30-homer power when he’s healthy (no matter how fat that asterisk is), for a dude who’s 23 and getting his first taste of the majors and hit ten home runs in the minors last year. (well, 12, but two of them were in rookie ball. those poor kids.)

    like i said above, i can’t bring myself to drop hermida for smoak. and i’d rather have guillen than hermida.

    the OBP thing does help smoak (we think), and he’s probably a better bet not to disappear completely.

    that’s my take anyway. i do stupid things sometimes.

  235. Yo Soy No Bueno says:

    @eltoo: I might lose Peavy for whatever better option is out there right now regardless. Would be interested in the thoughts of others if this seems reactionary.

  236. Yo Soy No Bueno says:

    @Grey: @wily mo: Thanks. Going to stand with Guillen.

  237. wily mo says:

    @eltoo: yeah, peavy. i never climbed into the peavy resurgence radio flyer this year. that hill’s steeper than you thought, isn’t it boys

  238. wily mo says:

    anybody else have the list of probable pitchers suddenly disappear from the yahoo “opponents” tab around about yesterday? or is it just mine? it’s making me irritable like a woman.

  239. eltoo says:

    @Yo Soy No Bueno: @wily mo: Cool, thanks guys. Probable pitchers is working for me. Smoak makes billy butler disposable for me, surely I can trade him for something better then what Peavy is putting out right now

  240. Eddy says:

    What do you guys think of offering Rajai, Ervin, and Pelfrey for Jose Reyes?

    I have Stephen Drew in my SS, so it’s not like I’m dying for an upgrade, but Reyes surely has to be better than him.

    Not to mention it kills me that that owner has Jeter and benches Reyes most of the time.

  241. Grey

    Grey says:

    @wily mo: Ha!

    @Eddy: If he benches Reyes, try Ervin and Rajai. Or Pelfrey and Rajai.

  242. @Eddy: I would offer it, but if I had Jose, I’d want more. I also play in a league that counts head-first-dives-into-first (jk).

  243. @mrbaseball: Just caught that. You know Wakefield is so old, Balboni might have actually stolen a base off of him.

  244. DJSatane says:

    “Apr 22 11:25pm Justin SmoakNA (Tex – 1B) Add Free Agents Razzball ”

    Talk about speed!

  245. DrEasy says:

    – So Dotel managed to both go kazaam and give me a mini-ticker shock!

    – So it turns out Filthy Sanchez Greinke’d us in historical proportions the other day. Apparently, he “was involved in just the second Giants game since 1900 in which they lost a nine-inning game despite allowing one hit”.

    – I suppose I should learn from my sonavabench episode last week and start Nolasco against Colorado tomorrow?

  246. swpayton says:

    a congrats from Rudy/Grey! I actually bounced up and down in my office chair with arms waving…Thanks for doin what you do fellas

  247. Rhymenoceros says:

    My handle is Rhymenoceros, which is the same as my team name. #47 sucks, but once some of my offensive doodes remember they’re professional hitters, things should turn around.

  248. Cocaine Rangers says:

    Grey would you start Ervin Santana tonight against the Rangers?

  249. madx34 says:

    handle madx34= team mauermakesmemoist

  250. Probable Party Starter says:

    I’m Defensive Indifference in RCL 9. Whoo-hoo! Number 2!

  251. Van Hammersly says:

    Thanks for organizing these leagues, guys!

    Like last year, my team name is A Man Named Brady.

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