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Strasburg inning limit?

Postby daver » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:52 pm

Do you think Strasburg's inning limit is around 160 or do you think the Nats will push it a bit higher into the 170-185 range if they are in contention?

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Re: Strasburg inning limit?

Postby BluePulaski » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:06 pm

let's say it's 170, which would be in the 170-185 range...it's only off by 10 from 160...the fact is he'll be on an innings limit...it will come down to how he feels...he's unlikely to be dishonest about how his arm feels inning by inning, game by game, day by day, etc... ...there is too much on the line for him and the team.

both he and the team will be watching him closely...the better he feels the closer he'll get to 200 but he won't get close...he even runs the risk of missing a start if he has any tenderness whatsoever...they could even shut down his season if there is any risk.

I think in a seasonal league...you try to trade him for a lot of value...in a keeper league...you don't trade him unless a guy makes you an offer you can't refuse.
10-team mixed keeper league (15 keepers), H2H - 1 Win R/HR/RBI/SB/AVG/OPS/W/CG/SHO/SV/K/ERA/WHIP/QS
HITTERS:
Lineup (C/1B/2B/SS/3B/LF/CF/RF/UTIL/UTIL/UTIL/UTIL)
C - empty (will pick up a hot catcher when ready)
1B - E. Hosmer
2B - J. Kipnis
SS - T. Tulowitzki
3B - A. Beltre
OF - M. Trout, A. McCutchen, J. Upton
UTIL - G. Stanton, A. Rizzo, B. Harper, empty slot

PITCHERS: SP - S. Strasburg, A. Wainwright, G. Gonzalez, H. Iwakuma, S. Miller, K. Medlen, H. Ryu, M. Garza, A. Cobb, H. Bailey, R. Porcello, M. Estrada, W. Peralta, S. Gray, E. Ramirez
RP - A. Chapman, A. Reed, J. Benoit
N/A slot: M. Pineda. DL - C. Maybin, M. Moore

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Re: Strasburg inning limit?

Postby AdmiralTrey » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:54 pm

I seriously doubt that they extend it... I'm with Grey and Rudy in thinking that they'll give him a convenient "injury" in August so that he can come back for September and the playoffs. And the playoffs is a huge factor here... If they extend his innings by 15 or 20 like you're suggesting, they're not really extending his innings by 15 or 20, they're extending his innings by that plus whatever he pitches in the playoffs, which could be anywhere from 5 innings to 30 or more, depending on how far they go.

I really don't see them extending his innings at all. They'd rather have him in the playoffs than in the regular season, assuming they have a playoff spot clenched which I think that they will.

10 Team 6X6 H2H Dynasty Year 5
C - Wilson Ramos
1B - Freddie Freeman
2B - Gleyber Torres
3B - Nolan Arenado
SS - Trea Turner
OF - Mike Trout
OF - Ronald Acuna
OF - Yordan Alvarez
OF - Kris Bryant
UTL - Javier Baez
UTL - Adalberto Mondesi
Bench - Rhys Hoskins, Miguel Sano, Byron Buxton, Jonathan Schoop, Rowdy Tellez

SP - Gerrit Cole, Stephen Strasburg, Blake Snell, Chris Sale, Jose Berrios, Chris Paddack, Mike Soroka, German Marquez
RP - Ken Giles, Dellin Betances, Taylor Rogers, Geovanny Gallegos, Colin Poche, Corey Knebel
Pedo NA Purgatory Felipse Vazquez

Prospects:
SP: Grayson Rodriguez, Josiah Gray, Seth Corry, Franklin Perez, Ryan Weathers, Blake Walston
RP: James Karinchak
OF: Luis Robert, Alek Thomas, Jesus Sanchez, Kameron Misner, Bayron Lora
IF: Vidal Brujan, Alexander Mojica, Malcolm Nunez, Greg Jones, Gunnar Henderson
C: Sam Huff, Luis Campusano, William Contreras

Results:
2019 - 4th place. Finished regular season 20 games ahead of 2nd place but fell apart in the playoffs.
2018 - 1st place. Finished regular season 24 games ahead of 2nd place and won in the playoffs.
2017 - 2nd place. Finished regular season 5 games ahead of 2nd place but lost in the playoffs.
2016 - 1st place. Finished regular season 1.5 games behind 1st but won in the playoffs

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Re: Strasburg inning limit?

Postby BluePulaski » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:01 pm

nice call...I hadn't considered the "injury of convenience" route...it's actually the most feasible...though they have good young pitchers...Strasburg is their current and future ACE...they need to limit his innings regardless...might as well give him some playoff experience (along with the rest of the team) if they have a chance too...if they let him go through August and need to shut him down in Sept. (let's say if they had no chance for the playoffs) might as well give him a break and see what comes in the fall...more to gain.
10-team mixed keeper league (15 keepers), H2H - 1 Win R/HR/RBI/SB/AVG/OPS/W/CG/SHO/SV/K/ERA/WHIP/QS
HITTERS:
Lineup (C/1B/2B/SS/3B/LF/CF/RF/UTIL/UTIL/UTIL/UTIL)
C - empty (will pick up a hot catcher when ready)
1B - E. Hosmer
2B - J. Kipnis
SS - T. Tulowitzki
3B - A. Beltre
OF - M. Trout, A. McCutchen, J. Upton
UTIL - G. Stanton, A. Rizzo, B. Harper, empty slot

PITCHERS: SP - S. Strasburg, A. Wainwright, G. Gonzalez, H. Iwakuma, S. Miller, K. Medlen, H. Ryu, M. Garza, A. Cobb, H. Bailey, R. Porcello, M. Estrada, W. Peralta, S. Gray, E. Ramirez
RP - A. Chapman, A. Reed, J. Benoit
N/A slot: M. Pineda. DL - C. Maybin, M. Moore

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Re: Strasburg inning limit?

Postby daver » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:45 pm

Interesting. I actually think that once they shut him down, he'll be sitting out the rest of the season and the playoffs. I don't think they'll rest him and them bring him back. My guess is that they'll sit him at 160 innings if they are out of contention, but stretch it to 175 innings and get a couple extra starts if they are in contention and he's feeling good.

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Re: Strasburg inning limit?

Postby AdmiralTrey » Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:15 am

I just think that if they make the playoffs it will absolutely impossible to sit Strasburg. If you sit your best pitcher, one of the best in the league, for the first time that your team (Nats, not counting the Expos) makes the playoffs, you're basically telling your entire fan base that you don't really care if you win in the playoffs.
That would probably tick enough people off to kill playoff ticket sales which hurts the franchise in terms of publicity, finance, and general fan base. Not to mention the fact that they're a worse team without Strasburg.

I can't imagine them not planning for a playoff scenario, but if he sits throughout September it'd be bad to bring him in rusty and cold for the playoffs.

10 Team 6X6 H2H Dynasty Year 5
C - Wilson Ramos
1B - Freddie Freeman
2B - Gleyber Torres
3B - Nolan Arenado
SS - Trea Turner
OF - Mike Trout
OF - Ronald Acuna
OF - Yordan Alvarez
OF - Kris Bryant
UTL - Javier Baez
UTL - Adalberto Mondesi
Bench - Rhys Hoskins, Miguel Sano, Byron Buxton, Jonathan Schoop, Rowdy Tellez

SP - Gerrit Cole, Stephen Strasburg, Blake Snell, Chris Sale, Jose Berrios, Chris Paddack, Mike Soroka, German Marquez
RP - Ken Giles, Dellin Betances, Taylor Rogers, Geovanny Gallegos, Colin Poche, Corey Knebel
Pedo NA Purgatory Felipse Vazquez

Prospects:
SP: Grayson Rodriguez, Josiah Gray, Seth Corry, Franklin Perez, Ryan Weathers, Blake Walston
RP: James Karinchak
OF: Luis Robert, Alek Thomas, Jesus Sanchez, Kameron Misner, Bayron Lora
IF: Vidal Brujan, Alexander Mojica, Malcolm Nunez, Greg Jones, Gunnar Henderson
C: Sam Huff, Luis Campusano, William Contreras

Results:
2019 - 4th place. Finished regular season 20 games ahead of 2nd place but fell apart in the playoffs.
2018 - 1st place. Finished regular season 24 games ahead of 2nd place and won in the playoffs.
2017 - 2nd place. Finished regular season 5 games ahead of 2nd place but lost in the playoffs.
2016 - 1st place. Finished regular season 1.5 games behind 1st but won in the playoffs

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Re: Strasburg inning limit?

Postby BluePulaski » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:02 am

if they make the playoffs and if he plays, there is no reason why they can't still limit his innings give him more rest than is typical for playoff pitcher aces...he could pitch 5 innings vs. 6, especially if he throws too many pitches...even 4 innings...I'd take 4 innings of shut-out ball from my starter and throw in a middle-relief guy that I might have started in place of my ace (that rhymes) ...any day.
10-team mixed keeper league (15 keepers), H2H - 1 Win R/HR/RBI/SB/AVG/OPS/W/CG/SHO/SV/K/ERA/WHIP/QS
HITTERS:
Lineup (C/1B/2B/SS/3B/LF/CF/RF/UTIL/UTIL/UTIL/UTIL)
C - empty (will pick up a hot catcher when ready)
1B - E. Hosmer
2B - J. Kipnis
SS - T. Tulowitzki
3B - A. Beltre
OF - M. Trout, A. McCutchen, J. Upton
UTIL - G. Stanton, A. Rizzo, B. Harper, empty slot

PITCHERS: SP - S. Strasburg, A. Wainwright, G. Gonzalez, H. Iwakuma, S. Miller, K. Medlen, H. Ryu, M. Garza, A. Cobb, H. Bailey, R. Porcello, M. Estrada, W. Peralta, S. Gray, E. Ramirez
RP - A. Chapman, A. Reed, J. Benoit
N/A slot: M. Pineda. DL - C. Maybin, M. Moore

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Re: Strasburg inning limit?

Postby mvinnyshaw » Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:34 am

they wont use him in the playoffs this year i guarantee it.
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Re: Strasburg inning limit?

Postby AdmiralTrey » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:25 am

if they make the playoffs and if he plays, there is no reason why they can't still limit his innings give him more rest than is typical for playoff pitcher aces...he could pitch 5 innings vs. 6, especially if he throws too many pitches...even 4 innings...I'd take 4 innings of shut-out ball from my starter and throw in a middle-relief guy that I might have started in place of my ace (that rhymes) ...any day.
That's all true, but five or six 4 inning starts still wins up adding 20 or more innings on his arm.
they wont use him in the playoffs this year i guarantee it.

I would take that bet!

10 Team 6X6 H2H Dynasty Year 5
C - Wilson Ramos
1B - Freddie Freeman
2B - Gleyber Torres
3B - Nolan Arenado
SS - Trea Turner
OF - Mike Trout
OF - Ronald Acuna
OF - Yordan Alvarez
OF - Kris Bryant
UTL - Javier Baez
UTL - Adalberto Mondesi
Bench - Rhys Hoskins, Miguel Sano, Byron Buxton, Jonathan Schoop, Rowdy Tellez

SP - Gerrit Cole, Stephen Strasburg, Blake Snell, Chris Sale, Jose Berrios, Chris Paddack, Mike Soroka, German Marquez
RP - Ken Giles, Dellin Betances, Taylor Rogers, Geovanny Gallegos, Colin Poche, Corey Knebel
Pedo NA Purgatory Felipse Vazquez

Prospects:
SP: Grayson Rodriguez, Josiah Gray, Seth Corry, Franklin Perez, Ryan Weathers, Blake Walston
RP: James Karinchak
OF: Luis Robert, Alek Thomas, Jesus Sanchez, Kameron Misner, Bayron Lora
IF: Vidal Brujan, Alexander Mojica, Malcolm Nunez, Greg Jones, Gunnar Henderson
C: Sam Huff, Luis Campusano, William Contreras

Results:
2019 - 4th place. Finished regular season 20 games ahead of 2nd place but fell apart in the playoffs.
2018 - 1st place. Finished regular season 24 games ahead of 2nd place and won in the playoffs.
2017 - 2nd place. Finished regular season 5 games ahead of 2nd place but lost in the playoffs.
2016 - 1st place. Finished regular season 1.5 games behind 1st but won in the playoffs

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Re: Strasburg inning limit?

Postby Eddie4f77 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:55 am

At his current rate, assuming he doesnt have an "injury", and assuming they stick to 160, when would he get shut down?
C: C. Santana
1B: Craig
2b: Pedroia
3B: Headley
SS: Reyes
OF: Stanton
OF: McCutchen
OF: Cruz
Util: Rizzo
Bench: Hosmer
Bench: K. Morales

SP: Kershaw
SP: Hamels
SP: Strasburg
SP: Lee
SP: D. Phelps
SP: T. Skaggs
SP: Straily
SP: Corbin
RP: Hanrahan
RP: Reed
RP: Kimbrel
DL: Griffin

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C: Weiters
1b: Davis (Can keep)
2b: Uggla
3b: Longo
SS: Rollins
OF: Craig (Can Keep)
OF: Werth (Can Keep)
OF: McCutchen
Util: Harper (Can Keep
BN: Belt (Can Keep)
BN: Middlebrooks (Can Keep)
BN: Cain (Can Keep)
BN: Hosmer

SP: Strasburg (Can Keep)
SP: Detwiler (Can Keep)
SP: J. Zimm
SP: Milone (Can Keep)
SP: Mccarthy (Can Keep)
SP: Skaggs (Can Keep)
SP: Parker (Can Keep)
SP: Bauer (Can Keep)
SP: Lynn (Can Keep)
SP: Halladay (Can Keep)
SP: Richard (Can Keep)
RP: Cook (Can Keep)
RP: Downs (Can keep)
RP: Russell (Can Keep)
DL: Griffin (Can keep)
DL: Cashner (Can Keep_


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