Fair or Not Fair Lineup manipulation.

Who to start, who to bench. Grab that WW guy? Low priced rookie or high priced stud?
cyler8
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Re: Fair or Not Fair Lineup manipulation.

Postby cyler8 » Wed May 24, 2017 1:29 pm

So in that instance sure that player gets the chance at more counting stats for that day. But that wont be the case over the course of an entire season because I really don't think that a team is going to have 4 players be off on the same day often if at all really.

Now given it's a small sample but I went back and checked a few of the teams I have and only once did a team have 4 or more players "off" so far this season. So if I had implemented this strategy it would have been advantageous for me one time. All of the other days I would have missed out on production that a catcher could have given me.

So I think what is trying to be said by myself and some others here is that the 4th bench spot, more often than not, is a waste because your catcher "could" play every day he has a game but the bench player can't because you would have to sub out another player who also has a game more often than not.
10 team league (10 keepers each season)
6X6 Scoring
H, R, HR, RBI, SB, OPS
W, QS, SV+H, WHIP, K

C: Evan Gattis
1B: Rhys Hoskins
2B: Scott Kingery
3B: Alex Bregman
SS: Trea Turner
OF: AJ Pollock
OF: Tommy Pham
OF: Mitch Haniger
UT: George Springer
UT: Kyle Schwarber
BN: Jean Segura
BN: Adrian Beltre
BN: Lewis Brinson
BN: Franchy Cordero
BN: Anthony Rizzo

SP: Zack Godley
SP: Aaron Nola
SP: James Paxton
RP: Roberto Osuna
RP: Felipe Vazquez
RP: Raisel Iglesias
RP: Dellin Betances
BN: Masahiro Tanaka
BN: Charlie Morton

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Re: Fair or Not Fair Lineup manipulation.

Postby DontHaveToCheat » Wed May 24, 2017 2:07 pm

And you are assuming that zero of the three bench spots are being used on pitchers.

So you could have a pitcher on a bench spot and still have three hitter bench spots.

How many days have you had three hitters off on the same day?

cyler8
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Re: Fair or Not Fair Lineup manipulation.

Postby cyler8 » Wed May 24, 2017 2:33 pm

I have had on average 7 per team. So we are in week 8 of the season. So that means that I would have gained 1 extra game per week by using that bench spot. But missed out the other 6 days by not having a catcher.

Now it's possible that it happens more often for other teams but I really don't think that it's going to happen enough to really make up for what you would loose by not having a catcher.

There are 26 weeks in the baseball season. If you got even 2 games per week you could get extra out of a bench spot that is 52 games for the season. Assume 4 ABs per game for a total of 108. Last year there was a total of 21 catchers who played in at least 100 games, again assuming 4ABs per game that is 400ABs. Much much more opportunity for counting stats.

If you got the stat line you are saying from a bench spot and they only played 52 games you would be looking at the best fantasy player out there.
Your stats for the bench player were

.255BA 16HR 55R 58RBI and 5SB

If you project that out over a full season of 160 games this player would have approx:

.255 48HRs 165R 174RBI and 15SB. I can tell you no bench player is going to put up numbers like that.

I think in the scenario you are thinking a bench player would be more likely to contribute something along the lines of:

.260 6HR 20R 25RBI 1SB this projected out over 160 games is .260 18HR 60R 75RBI and 3SB. So the bench player is basically someone like say Sean Rodriguez was last year. Multiple position eligibility and had a final stat line of:

.270 18HR 49R 56RBI 2SB but you are only getting one game from him a week because that is all you have room for.

If you take those numbers it's very very easy to see that almost any catcher who plays at least 100 games (remember there were 21 last year) is going to put up much much better counting stats than that. Heck Tom Murphy put up the below stat line last year in 21 games:

.273 5HR 13RBI 8R
10 team league (10 keepers each season)
6X6 Scoring
H, R, HR, RBI, SB, OPS
W, QS, SV+H, WHIP, K

C: Evan Gattis
1B: Rhys Hoskins
2B: Scott Kingery
3B: Alex Bregman
SS: Trea Turner
OF: AJ Pollock
OF: Tommy Pham
OF: Mitch Haniger
UT: George Springer
UT: Kyle Schwarber
BN: Jean Segura
BN: Adrian Beltre
BN: Lewis Brinson
BN: Franchy Cordero
BN: Anthony Rizzo

SP: Zack Godley
SP: Aaron Nola
SP: James Paxton
RP: Roberto Osuna
RP: Felipe Vazquez
RP: Raisel Iglesias
RP: Dellin Betances
BN: Masahiro Tanaka
BN: Charlie Morton

DontHaveToCheat
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Re: Fair or Not Fair Lineup manipulation.

Postby DontHaveToCheat » Wed May 24, 2017 6:03 pm

You also have only 11 hitters and not 13.

Three utility spots not 1.

Three OF spots not five.

No MI and no CI.

Not even remotely the same

With two more hitter spots and more position specifc restrictions, there are FAR more openings.

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Re: Fair or Not Fair Lineup manipulation.

Postby cyler8 » Wed May 24, 2017 6:53 pm

If its sucn a huge advantage then why dont you do it?

But your topic asks if its fair or unfair. Since anyone in the league can imploy this strategy then its fair. Unfair would be if only this one team was able to do it.
10 team league (10 keepers each season)
6X6 Scoring
H, R, HR, RBI, SB, OPS
W, QS, SV+H, WHIP, K

C: Evan Gattis
1B: Rhys Hoskins
2B: Scott Kingery
3B: Alex Bregman
SS: Trea Turner
OF: AJ Pollock
OF: Tommy Pham
OF: Mitch Haniger
UT: George Springer
UT: Kyle Schwarber
BN: Jean Segura
BN: Adrian Beltre
BN: Lewis Brinson
BN: Franchy Cordero
BN: Anthony Rizzo

SP: Zack Godley
SP: Aaron Nola
SP: James Paxton
RP: Roberto Osuna
RP: Felipe Vazquez
RP: Raisel Iglesias
RP: Dellin Betances
BN: Masahiro Tanaka
BN: Charlie Morton

DontHaveToCheat
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Re: Fair or Not Fair Lineup manipulation.

Postby DontHaveToCheat » Thu May 25, 2017 6:34 am

If its sucn a huge advantage then why dont you do it?
Because I think it is cheating and off the charts stupid to supposedly be trying to replicate real baseball as closely as possible without using arguably the most important position in the sport.
But your topic asks if its fair or unfair. Since anyone in the league can imploy this strategy then its fair. Unfair would be if only this one team was able to do it.
No one in the league knew they could do it till one team found a glitch in the website that allowed it to happen.

You are running out of lame excuses trying to defend this stupidity.

cyler8
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Re: Fair or Not Fair Lineup manipulation.

Postby cyler8 » Thu May 25, 2017 8:35 am

It's fair because everyone can do it.
10 team league (10 keepers each season)
6X6 Scoring
H, R, HR, RBI, SB, OPS
W, QS, SV+H, WHIP, K

C: Evan Gattis
1B: Rhys Hoskins
2B: Scott Kingery
3B: Alex Bregman
SS: Trea Turner
OF: AJ Pollock
OF: Tommy Pham
OF: Mitch Haniger
UT: George Springer
UT: Kyle Schwarber
BN: Jean Segura
BN: Adrian Beltre
BN: Lewis Brinson
BN: Franchy Cordero
BN: Anthony Rizzo

SP: Zack Godley
SP: Aaron Nola
SP: James Paxton
RP: Roberto Osuna
RP: Felipe Vazquez
RP: Raisel Iglesias
RP: Dellin Betances
BN: Masahiro Tanaka
BN: Charlie Morton

DontHaveToCheat
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Re: Fair or Not Fair Lineup manipulation.

Postby DontHaveToCheat » Thu May 25, 2017 8:59 am

Wrong again.

No one knew this was possible till someone noticed this guy had been doing it 1/4 into the season.

It wasn't like we all knew of the loophole, nor the guy doing it notified the rest of the league about the loophole.

THAT would be fair.

You are an idiot.

I see you have completely run out of stupid excuses trying to defend cheating.

So just stamp your feet and keep repeating yourself till mommy gets you a juice box.

cyler8
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Re: Fair or Not Fair Lineup manipulation.

Postby cyler8 » Thu May 25, 2017 9:47 am

It's fair because everyone can do it.
10 team league (10 keepers each season)
6X6 Scoring
H, R, HR, RBI, SB, OPS
W, QS, SV+H, WHIP, K

C: Evan Gattis
1B: Rhys Hoskins
2B: Scott Kingery
3B: Alex Bregman
SS: Trea Turner
OF: AJ Pollock
OF: Tommy Pham
OF: Mitch Haniger
UT: George Springer
UT: Kyle Schwarber
BN: Jean Segura
BN: Adrian Beltre
BN: Lewis Brinson
BN: Franchy Cordero
BN: Anthony Rizzo

SP: Zack Godley
SP: Aaron Nola
SP: James Paxton
RP: Roberto Osuna
RP: Felipe Vazquez
RP: Raisel Iglesias
RP: Dellin Betances
BN: Masahiro Tanaka
BN: Charlie Morton

DontHaveToCheat
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Re: Fair or Not Fair Lineup manipulation.

Postby DontHaveToCheat » Thu May 25, 2017 10:09 am

Here is hoping that mommy gets you your juice box soon.

It is not fair if all but one team didn't know about it till 1/4 of the way into the season.

Sorry you aren't smart enough to understand that.

Ask your two year old daughter if it is fair that she gets her bottle after it is already 1/4 empty.


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