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This years marks our first time participating in LABR (League of Alternative Baseball Reality) which is sponsored by USA Today and is the granddaddy of all fantasy baseball expert leagues.

We had an awesome time at the draft.  It was pretty crazy to be in the same room with a number of guys that we’d only known through the little headshots they have on their website.  Plus, the draft was held in Phoenix – giving us the opportunity to catch two Cactus League games (nothing too notable except that Lonnie Chisenhall and Drew Pomeranz of the Indians look really good) and eat at Pizzeria Bianco (potentially the best pizzeria in the US).

We are in the 13-team NL-only league which is C/C/1B/2B/SS/3B/5 OF/CI/MI/UTIL/10 P.  The reason for the 13th team and 10 pitchers (vs. 9) is to make the roster depth equivalent to the 12-team AL-only league.  The budget is $260/team.  After everyone has filled their starting roster, there is a snake draft where we pick 6 reserves.

Below is our roster (To see all the rosters, see this post on USA Today’s Fantasy Windup blog).  We feel pretty good about the team.  I think you can lose the season at the draft but you can’t win one…..and I don’t think we lost it.

C  R. Barajas $3
C   D. Mesoraco $1
1B  A. Pujols    $40
2B D. Espinosa    $13
SS  J. Reyes    $29
3B C. Blake    $5
OF  R. Braun    $37
OF  L. Morrison    $18
OF  M. DeRosa    $5
OF   S. Hairston    $2
OF  N. Schierholtz    $1
CI    Jeff Baker    $4
MI   N. Walker  $18
UT   J. Francisco    $2
P    Y. Gallardo    $21
P    C. Marmol    $20
P    J. Vazquez    $11
P    H. Kuo    $6
P    C. Hensley    $5
P    C. Richard    $5
P    C. Capuano    $4
P     R. Wolf    $3
P    M. Lindstrom  $2
P   T. Gorzelanny    $2

C Eli Whiteside
2B/OF Eric Patterson
3B Mat Gamel
P Yuniesky Maya
P Aneury Rodriguez
P Zack Braddock

One big difference in a draft this deep against such experienced competition is that we couldn’t follow our usual strategy of “find the best bargains”.  We didn’t expect to see any bargains in this draft and that proved correct.  We made three big bets (Pujols, Braun, Reyes) that will likely make or break our offense.  But who would you rather bet on?  (okay, maybe not Reyes but SBs are expensive either in $ or the players other stats).  I don’t love the Neil Walker and Logan Morrison picks but they are guaranteed playing time and should be solid R/RBI producers without hurting our AVG.  Our pitching staff could use a real 2nd starter (I’d consider Vazquez a #3) but we should be close to league average in most categories – hopefully Kuo or Hensley get us some cheap saves and 4 of our bottom 6 SPs (counting the two in reserves) can post decent numbers.

We’ll keep y’all posted on the team as the season goes on…

  1. JustMatt says:

    Give ’em hell boys!

  2. JustMatt says:

    @Rudy: did you end up sticking around for the whole weekend? Grey thought orignally you’d be heading home early and he’d be doing the draft. How long did this draft take – after Pujols and Braun – you must have grabbed a blanket and pillow for a few hours until the bidding got back into your price range on the next tier?

  3. JustMatt says:

    @Rudy: guess I’m the only one here so far. any comments on the little headshots versus real heads in the room? also, grey promised to eat nothing but onions and beans all weekend and then take a seat right next to the ESPN guys…did he follow through?

  4. KeeblerMN says:

    Gratz on finally getting some recognition that is WELL DESERVED and getting invited to the league!
    I’m shocked to see Pujols and Braun for that low of a dollar amount in a NL only league….
    I’ve never done a NL or AL only league so I’m a little ignorant on depth but it looks a little “Stars n Scrubs”-y eh?
    (That eh is for you Canadians out there)

  5. NewBVick says:

    What kinda pizza did you order?

    Oh, and nice price on Wolf.

  6. MKEeast says:

    Two catchers in an NL only league. Don’t know if I should say wow or ouch! Definitely yawnstipating.

  7. Tony says:

    Pujols seems very cheap, i mean his track record vs. cargo and only $3 seperates them? Thats sick…. Did you purchase him as the first buy of the draft (overall)? Couple that with Braun and Reyes i think you’ll be alright. Would it have been possible to spend a few more bucks and snag bruce or someone in the mid $20’s instead of takin logan morrison? I’m just assuming at the end guys like gorzla, lindstrom, etc would be there for $1 anyways. I mean it is an auction you’d just fill out your roster with whats left…..

  8. Greytech Drafting says:

    @ Rudy

    Any pictures from the draft? The picture on the USAToday site is way too much of a tease and I want to see what all those ner…I mean experts look like irl. :)

  9. JMonte says:

    For anyone intersted i heard today that XM/Sirius will be broadcasting a recap/replay of the LABR draft. I know im looking forward to it.

    And I still cant believe that guy spent $100 on SS… $25 on Rollins really???

  10. pogotheostrich says:

    If you’re looking for that draft strategy, you’re at the wrong site.”

    That’s me quoting Grey. :)
    For the record I like your team the best Rudy.

  11. pogotheostrich says:

    If you’re looking for that draft strategy, you’re at the wrong site.”

    That’s me quoting Grey. :)
    For the record I like your team the best Rudy.

  12. trick dad says:

    Grey & Rudy – I just sent some daquiri funding your way. Just wanted to thank you guys for your site and all of the great advice.

    I won my fantasy baseball league last season, which is a 12-team keeper league, that I am in a prime spot for this season too (keepers are Votto, Cano, Braun, Halladay, Lester, McCutchen). All this since I started reading Razzball. Thanks again!

  13. @JustMatt: The draft started at 5PM. I had to leave at 9:15PM to catch a flight. Luckily, the auctioneer was quick and we had our whole team drafted except for 2nd C , 5th OF, and the reserves. Grey and I had cheat sheets for the latter part of the draft b/c we assumed i’d be gone.

    @JustMatt: Everyone looked like their headshots except me. It was weird. And Grey didn’t follow through…

    @KeeblerMN: The prices for Pujols and Braun are about in line with previous LABR drafts. (Last year they went for $41 and $39). But we feel those are good prices given their performance levels. And it does lead to a little bit of stars and scrubs but it’s impossible to play a league like this and not draft a couple of scrubs.

    @NewBVick: A Margherita and a Sonny Boy sans olives. Both great.

    @MKEeast: Nodding head.

    @Tony: I agree on Pujols’ price vs. CarGo. There’s just a hesitance for people to spend too much on one player. Grey and I like to spread it around but nothing’s worse than overpaying for 2nd tier because two teams need the same player. Tough to say if we could’ve done better at 2nd OF. Probably yes. But Bruce went for $27 and who knows if $28 would’ve taken him…

    @Greytech Drafting: We didn’t take any pictures. There were two of us and we were glued to our computer screen and printouts trying to not look like asses.

    @JMonte: Cool. Just know that it’s pretty boring. Probably better to just look at the rosters. And i’m interested to see if the 3 SS strategy works….but glad I’m not the one trying it out.

  14. @pogotheostrich: Ha! This group seemed to underbid vs. overbid on stars so we mixed it up. Hopefully Grey’s words won’t haunt us :)

  15. Buddo Chezuski says:


    What kind of breakdown do you typical look for between SPs and RPs in a league like this for your starting positions?

  16. Jay says:

    Don’t like the 3 SS strategy. It is cool to think about denying the quality shortstops from your opponents, but you pay top dollar for elite SS because of position scarcity — and that position scarcity evaporates once you slot the player at MI, or worse, UTIL. I’m pretty sure it’s not worth those precious extra auction dollars to force other teams to roster crappy shorstops.

  17. @Buddo Chezuski: I had looked at past two drafts and the average was 6 SP / 4 RP. We feel like we got the best RP and four guys who might be next in line for saves (Kuo, Hensley, Lindstrom, Braddock) – pretty good given that approx. 52 relievers were going to be drafted (about 3 per NL team).

  18. GTS says:

    In a season where 3B is shallow your team looks like it will be hurting with your 3B/CI choices?

  19. @Jay: Position scarcity isn’t as important in a deep league since basically the replacement players all regress to useless 100 AB types. So Tulo isn’t worth more than $1-2 as a SS vs. an OF. The prices for Hanley and Tulo weren’t bad (I like Pujols for $40 over Hanley at $41) but I don’t like Rollins period. His AVG is in the tank, injury prone, and not sure what he’s delivering in HR/SB.

  20. @GTS: I think Blake is a solid starter – especially if he hits 2nd in the Dodger lineup. No doubt that Juan Francisco is a weak 1B/3B bet given unclear playing time. But I also think we have a much stronger 1B/2B/SS/MI than most teams.

  21. birrrdy! says:

    GREAT draft guys. You slammed it. I don’t even know who your second catcher is, but I love the approach. Pujols, Braun and Reyes are great bets to make. That’s 90 HRs, 300 RBIs, 300 Rs and 70 SBs in just 3 guys. Well played, and your pitcher moves and reserve picks (Gamel, Maya) are EXCELLENT.

    13 teams, NL only, all ‘perts… you guys are gonna win this one if your top-three can avoid the injury bug. Very competitive, and you are stacked. I wouldn’t second guess your Morrison and Walker picks. They won’t let you down this year. Congrats.

  22. birrrdy! says:

    Are there trades in this league? If not, that 3 SS hoarder is really going to work to your benefit since you got the only other elite at the position.

    some other interesting draft observations…

    Carlos Gomez going for $16! I need to find out the scoop on that… Was that a bidding war, or did the guy just have a ton of money left and wanted him? I was real high on him at the start of the year, but Grey talked me off my ledge. I’ve got a chance to keep him for $1, but I’m gonna pass to keep higher priced guys like Hart ($16) and Bay ($20) and Rasmus ($18). 10 team NL only, we get $300 total to use with 8 keepers and the draft. What is the scuttlebut on Gomez now?

    Also, Jordan Zimmerman went for more than Brett Myers ($13 vs. $10). Do you agree with the final values as about right, or was that an anomoly?

  23. amscalone says:

    rudy and whomever else:
    just finished a 10 team 5×5 mock, what do you guys think?

    c: r. martin
    1b: votto
    2b: kinsler
    3b: a-rod
    ss: andrus
    of: j. upton
    of: pence
    of: stubbs
    utl: lind
    utl: tabata

    b: raburn

    sp: gallardo
    sp: haren
    rp: k-rod
    rp: bailey
    p: billingsley
    p: wandy
    p: axford
    p: krimble

    b: burnett, d. hudson, de la rosa, chapman

  24. chata says:

    find a stronger league .

    doug dennis … 10th year … no title
    ambrosius / childs … 18th year … no title ??

  25. birrrdy! says:

    Oh, and as for your top-3, I forgot to mention the .300+ weighted combined average. That’s sick, and I think some of the other ‘perts may get dinged pretty hard in that category. Barajas and Hairston are your only real drags on that category, and they won’t get the relative ABs to matter much in that regard. Heck, it’s a contract year for Pujols. He may go out and bat .350 and slug 50 HRs. Seriously.

  26. Steve says:

    @birrrdy!: Not that he needs to convince anyone of his value, but I could see him having a bigger-than-normal year just out of sheer bloody-mindedness.

  27. Steve says:

    @Rudy Gamble: Nice job in the draft. How many of the guys that you ended up with did you actually nominate?

  28. brandon says:

    12 team, h2h, 5×5, $260 auction keeper league of the 5 OF, CI,MI, single catcher format.

    I currently have these slated keepers:

    Uggla $18
    Lester $17
    Werth $13
    Bautista $10
    Alvarez $10

    I have an offer of Kershaw for Bautista. I would also be getting a small amount of auction dollars to roll with, possibly $2-4$. In essence, I could either keep Kershaw for $6 or Bautista for $10. With my current set of keepers, WWGD? WWRD? (gotta show some Rudy Love)

  29. The Dude says:

    I think the triple SS move helps your team more than any other (especially the guy that took 3 SS). Reyes becomes the 2nd best player at that position and 3rd (Drew if you look at $ paid) is a BIG drop off.

    I’m curious to the order of events on those 4 players, guessing:


    Did Ambrosius bid on Reyes too?

  30. Jason says:

    anybody else want to do the razzmock tonight on mdc at 7est?

  31. birrrdy! says:

    Here are all the players sorted by price in case anyone was interested…

    Pos. Last Name Price
    SS Ramirez $41
    1B Pujols $40
    1B Votto $39
    OF Gonzalez $37
    OF Braun $37
    UT Tulowitzki $35
    1B Howard $33
    3B Wright $32
    OF Kemp $32
    OF McCutchen $32
    1B Fielder $31
    3B Zimmerman $30
    OF Holliday $30
    P Halladay $30
    SS Reyes $29
    OF Upton $29
    OF Pence $29
    OF Ethier $28
    P Greinke $28
    OF Werth $27
    OF Bruce $27
    OF Stanton $27
    P Lincecum $27
    2B Phillips $26
    OF Victorino $26
    2B Uggla $25
    OF Heyward $25
    OF Stubbs $25
    MI Rollins $25
    P Kershaw $25
    C Posey $24
    2B Utley $24
    OF Young $24
    P Hanson $24
    3B Sandoval $23
    OF Rasmus $23
    OF Bourn $23
    P Lee $23
    OF Hart $22
    P Latos $22
    SS Drew $21
    MI Prado $21
    P Hamels $21
    P Gallardo $21
    1B Lee $20
    2B Weeks $20
    3B Alvarez $20
    P Oswalt $20
    P Johnson $20
    P Wilson $20
    P Marmol $20
    C McCann $19
    1B Sanchez $19
    1B LaRoche $19
    2B Johnson $19
    SS Furcal $19
    3B McGehee $19
    OF Pagan $19
    OF Fowler $19
    CI Huff $19
    P Jimenez $19
    P Cain $19
    P Marcum $19
    P Bell $19
    P Billingsley $19
    SS Castro $18
    3B Ramirez $18
    OF Tabata $18
    OF Morrison $18
    MI Walker $18
    P Volquez $18
    SS Desmond $17
    OF Bay $17
    CI Pena $17
    P Hudson $17
    P Rodriguez $17
    1B Davis $16
    2B Infante $16
    SS Tejada $16
    OF Coghlan $16
    OF Torres $16
    OF Soriano $16
    OF Ibanez $16
    OF Smith $16
    OF Gomez $16
    UT Lopez $16
    P Axford $16
    P Carpenter $16
    P Lilly $16
    P Sanchez $16
    C Soto $15
    3B Headley $15
    3B Stewart $15
    OF Beltran $15
    OF Maybin $15
    OF Morgan $15
    OF Venable $15
    CI Loney $15
    CI Uribe $15
    P Rodriguez $15
    P Putz $15
    P Hanrahan $15
    C Montero $14
    SS Theriot $14
    3B Johnson $14
    OF Byrd $14
    P Kimbrel $14
    P Street $14
    P Bumgarner $14
    P Hudson $14
    P Storen $14
    P Broxton $14
    1B Freeman $13
    2B Espinosa $13
    3B Polanco $13
    OF Jones $13
    P Kuroda $13
    P Franklin $13
    P Garza $13
    P Nolasco $13
    P Zimmermann $13
    P Chacin $13
    OF Bernadina $12
    OF Gomes $12
    OF Ross $12
    OF Francisco $12
    MI Barlett $12
    UT Berkman $12
    P Bailey $12
    P Dempster $12
    P Lidge $12
    C Molina $11
    2B Wigginton $11
    SS Gonzalez $11
    OF Colvin $11
    P Kennedy $11
    P Nunez $11
    P Cueto $11
    P Vazquez $11
    C Ruiz $10
    C Iannetta $10
    2B Hudson $10
    OF Morse $10
    OF McLouth $10
    MI Sanchez $10
    P Wood $10
    P Chapman $10
    P Cordero $10
    P Lyon $10
    P Myers $10
    C Buck $9
    C Hundley $9
    2B Schumaker $9
    OF Ludwick $9
    OF Brown $9
    CI Freese $9
    P Garcia $9
    P Venters $9
    C Doumit $8
    1B Overbay $8
    1B Wallace $8
    OF Fukudome $8
    OF Hawpe $8
    CI Rolen $8
    P Minor $8
    P Sanchez $8
    SS Betancourt $7
    OF Hall $7
    OF Nady $7
    OF Gibbons $7
    P Jurrjens $7
    C Thole $6
    C Hanagan $6
    C Snyder $6
    2B Young, Jr. $6
    OF Burrell $6
    MI Barmes $6
    P Zambrano $6
    P De La Rosa $6
    P Gregerson $6
    P Niese $6
    P Kuo $6
    C LuCroy $5
    C Hernandez $5
    1B Branyan $5
    3B Blake $5
    OF Lewis $5
    OF Spilborghs $5
    OF Parra $5
    OF DeRosa $5
    CI Helton $5
    CI Jones $5
    UT Mora $5
    P Blanton $5
    P Luebke $5
    P Stauffer $5
    P Happ $5
    P Norris $5
    P Pelfrey $5
    P Lowe $5
    P Meek $5
    P Garland $5
    P McDonald $5
    P McClellan $5
    P Hensley $5
    P Richard $5
    C Kattaras $4
    MI Rodriguez $4
    CI Belt $4
    CI Baker $4
    UT Murphy $4
    UT Miranda $4
    P Clippard $4
    P Cashner $4
    P Motte $4
    P Madson $4
    P Santana $4
    P Castro $4
    P Arroyo $4
    P Harang $4
    P Capuano $4
    C Rodriguez $3
    C Quintero $3
    C Barajas $3
    1B Hinske $3
    3B Cantu $3
    OF Cousins $3
    OF Thames $3
    OF Jay $3
    MI Cedeno $3
    P Zito $3
    P Dickey $3
    P Volstad $3
    P Westbrook $3
    P Young $3
    P Adams $3
    P Wolf $3
    C Ramos $2
    C Baker $2
    C Paulino $2
    2B DeWitt $2
    SS Carroll $2
    OF Diaz $2
    OF Rowand $2
    OF Craig $2
    OF Hairston $2
    MI Castillo $2
    MI Renteria $2
    MI Janish $2
    CI Dominguez $2
    UT Blanks $2
    UT Denorfia $2
    UT Betancourt $2
    UT Francisco $2
    P Marshall $2
    P Correia $2
    P Melancon $2
    P Leake $2
    P Jansen $2
    P Webb $2
    P Teheran $2
    P Wood $2
    P Wells $2
    P Lyles $2
    P Betancourt $2
    P Burnett $2
    P Lopez $2
    P Hammel $2
    P Lindstrom $2
    P Gorzelanny $2
    C Navarro $1
    C Towles $1
    C Flores $1
    C Mesoraco $1
    2B Emaus $1
    SS Keppinger $1
    SS Cabrera $1
    3B Cairo $1
    OF Michaels $1
    OF Heisey $1
    OF Ankiel $1
    OF Schierholz $1
    MI Hairston $1
    MI Blum $1
    CI Helms $1
    CI Giambi $1
    UT Navarro $1
    UT Martinez $1
    UT Gwynn $1
    P Mujica $1
    P Heilman $1
    P Narveson $1
    P Mejia $1
    P Beachy $1
    P Silva $1
    P Parker $1
    P Hernandez $1
    P Parnell $1
    P Guerrier $1
    P Saunders $1
    P Qualls $1
    P Thatcher $1
    P Salas $1
    P Rogers $1
    P Detwiler $1
    P Gee $1
    P Lannon $1
    P Saito $1
    P Belisle $1
    P Romo $1
    P Masset $1
    P Padilla $1

  32. DrEasy says:

    McCutchen was 10th most expensive? Am I missing something?

  33. tyler says:

    Rudy – thanks for the great posts recently (esp. the point shares/espn comparison). I just finished a 12 team mixed Weekly H2H where point shares was about 1/3 of my evaluation process (looked at LPP and BN for other sources). I got Grey’s immediate reaction in another thread, but would be curious about yours.

    C: Napoli
    1B: M. Cab.
    2B: K. J.
    SS: Alexei
    3B: Bautista
    OF: Hamilton
    OF: Werth
    OF: Span
    UT: Reynolds

    SP: J. Johnson
    SP: Latos
    RP: Thornton
    RP: Street
    P: Lilly
    P: Kuroda
    P: Daniel Hudson

    BN: Volquez
    BN: J. Montero
    BN: D. Jennings
    BN: Kimbrel

    Some AVG concern, I think, but if M. Cab./Hamilton can each go .310, that will help off-set .250?s from Bautista/Napoli/Reynolds. Maybe I’m rationalizing that. The bench is a little funky, but in a weekly H2H, I figured no reason not to go all-upside – it’s not like anybody’s ever going to play unless they breakout or there’s a serious injury to a starter…

  34. birrrdy! says:

    @DrEasy: Actually, McCutcheon is tied for 8th most expensive… =0

  35. @birrrdy!: Thanks. From your, um, fingers to the fantasy baseball gods ears?

    @birrrdy!: There are trades but Grey and I both believe you should never count on getting fair value in trades – except maybe closers. Here was the rationale – And we are pretty happy with the team AVG – our teams usually skew the other way.

    @Steve: Hmm, not many. We nominated one out of every 13 players. Can’t imagine we got much more than 4-5 that we nominated. We mostly nominated players we wanted others to bid on.

    @brandon: I would keep Kershaw. You don’t want Uggla and Bautista (both AVG drags).

    @DrEasy: I had the Dread Pirate at #13.

    @Steve: Ha. Now they just need to figure out how to illustrate ‘moxie’ on the cover.

    @tyler: Glad you liked the posts. I’m loving your pitching staff. Volquez and Kimbrel provide solid depth. The offense is pretty solid. I don’t see much value in Montero and Jennings in this format. Would pick up another RP and a different OF (maybe a SB threat with more guaranteed playing time like Rajai Davis or Jose Tabata).

  36. tyler says:

    @Rudy Gamble: Awesome, thanks for the feedback. Keep doin’ your thing, and congrats on reaching the Everestian heights of LABR.

  37. @tyler: keep doing your thing…tyler….i feel like i’m on american idol!

  38. JoeC says:

    Actually, I’m in a “discussion” with Derek Carty, one of your opponents in the NL LABR league, over on The Hardball Times (

    I’m basically telling him his team sucks (although I do acknowledge his top 3 starters (Lincecum, Kershaw, and Billingsley) are nice) and that he has no chance with his pathetic offense. He begs to differ.

    But really, I can’t see you guys being intimidated by this load of crap:

    C – C Iannetta
    C – C Snyder
    1B – B Wallace
    2B – C Barmes
    SS – R Theriot
    3B – J Uribe
    CI – M Cairo
    MI – S Schumaker
    OF – M Stanton
    OF – S Smith
    OF – C Gomez
    OF – M Byrd
    OF – G Parra
    UT – J Miranda

  39. @JoeC: Yes, just checked out THT for your discussion with Derek. He’s got an interesting strategy. It won it for him in 2009. He finished something like 9th last year. We’ll see how it works this year.

    @Steve: ha!

  40. Ron says:

    Seems like you guys may have junked the Whip category by going after Gallardo as your ace and Marmol as your lead bullpen guy. Would you say you punted Whip? Offense looks stout, decent K potential for your staff too. A little worried about ERA and definitely Whip though.

  41. @Ron: We didn’t mean to punt WHIP but my projections have as the 2nd to worst WHIP (and the last place team in WHIP is way worse b/c he basically punted pitching). We wanted a low WHIP 2nd starter like Ted Lilly or Hiroki Kuroda but they went for too much. If we could do it again, we probably would bite the bullet on it and spend a little less on our other SPs, RPs, and maybe MI.

  42. Tony says:

    @tyler: hey tyler, you have alot of iffy cats on this team, low average guys and risky pitchers, idk could pan out great, could be a disaster……

  43. Eddy says:

    @Rudy Gamble:

    Rudy, I’m sure Grey will answer this in the forums when he gets a chance, but I’d like to get your opinion on it.

    A possible trade occurred to me the other day. This is a 12-team H2H 5×5 (OBP instead of AVG) league. We keep 4 per year, and there’s a three-round inflation per year, with a three year max of keeping a player.

    I trade away:
    Miguel Cabrera (1st)
    Round 10 pick

    I receive:
    Jayson Heyward (Rd.21–inflates to 18th in 2012)
    Paul Konerko (don’t even care about his round, I’m flipping him for SP afterwards)
    Round 5 pick

    Now, I like this trade simply because I have Adam Dunn in my utility spot, which I can then move up to 1B. ANd since it’s an OBP league, they’re not dramatically different. In addition, this will allow me to slot Lind into my lineup, who is currently riding the bench.

    Is this trade fair? Is it lopsided? If so, toward which side? Is it a bad move for me to trade away Miggy even with Dunn at my disposal?

  44. @Eddy: For 12-team Point Shares, it’s +4.58 for Miggy Cabrera and a 10th round pick should be somewhere between 0-1 Point Shares. Heyward is +1.88, Konerko is -0.48, and a 5th round pick should be around 1-2 Point Shares. Not sure how much to credit Heyward’s keeper status but you’re probably giving up a bit more than you’re getting. Doesn’t make it a bad move if it makes your team better….

  45. Eddy says:

    Oh god, I feel like a complete asshole right now.

    To those that were in the razzmock tonight, I’m truly sorry for not showing. I literally just forgot. I feel like such a hyprocrite.

    Again, I’m very sorry guys, I didn’t mean to.

  46. Trick dad says:

    @Eddy: No worries, we were wondering where you were haha

  47. Wilsonian says:

    @Eddy: don’t feel bad…I set up an online draft (real league, not mock) where we had 5 keepers from last season as the first 5 rounds, and then the draft should’ve started in the 6th round with the team that got last place. Well, when the draft began, the 6th round started with the team that got first place last season! Took us a minute to figure out how to do it (had to use a few Commissioner timeouts) and we decided that everyone draft from the bottom of the draft pool for the first round and then start the 7th round as the 6th and do a supplemental round after the draft to make up for the missed round.

    It ended up working well, but I felt like a complete ass for most of the draft and I’m not sure that it didn’t screw up my draft mojo.

  48. Black Beard says:

    In a 6×5 plus OPS, how would you rank the following: Hill, Zo, KJ, Prado, Walker, and Roberts.

    Thanks Rudy. Kick some ass in LABR.

  49. Bill Lumbergh says:

    @Rudy: Should I accept this trade offer in a 12 team 10×10 roto (w/fielding cats + OPS)? My Howard & Gardner for his Miggy & Capps?

    I asked Grey also, but equally appreciate your perspective.


  50. pat says:

    just finished an auction draft in a 14 team league that is LF/CF/RF specific… 9×9 league that adds AB, hits, K’s, and OPS for hitters and IP, losses, holds, and quality starts for pitchers… How’s it look? I think it’s light on power and definitely on saves…
    C- Soto
    1B- Morneau
    2B- Raburn
    3B- Youk (when eligible)
    SS- Andrus
    LF- Pagan
    CF- McCutchen
    RF- Choo
    Util- Quentin
    Util- Adam LaRoche
    BN- Moustakas

    SP- Weaver
    SP- Haren
    SP- Scherzer
    RP- Valverde
    RP- Kuo
    RP- Gregerson
    P- Morrow
    P- Meek
    P- Floyd
    BN- Zimmermann
    BN- Niese
    BN- Randy Wells

  51. chata says:


    according to the projections , you AND two (of the four) bots
    finished with a better team than mine .

  52. Steve says:

    @chata: Forget about that. Turn on the news.

  53. chata says:


    wow .
    pacific rim is disintegrating .

    and i’m an oblivious sot .

  54. Steve says:

    @chata: TV pictures are staggering. Never seen anything like it.

  55. Blinkuldhc says:

    Wow… Fielder went for only $2 more than Ethier ($29)? You have to account for Ethier’s weak SB the same you would for Fielder.

    I’m surprised Posey didn’t go for more than $24; catchers are always thin, but especially so in NL-O… you could really gain some distance getting Posey.

    I don’t get the love for SS Castro, he seems like a one category guy to me. I’d prefer Desmond for less money, who will outproduce Castro in 4 of 5 categories.

  56. @Black Beard: I’d just use the 12 team 5×5 order of Zobrist, KJ, Prado, Hill, Walker, Roberts

    @Bill Lumbergh: I would say that Capps has no value. It’s hard to factor in fielding but Miggy is 2 point shares better than Howard and Gardner is just a smidge above 0. Assuming you can get a -2 PS OF on waivers or your reserves (examples: Coghlan, Ibanez, Seth Smith), you should at least break even. As for the risk in Miggy given his recent episode, hard to say…

  57. @pat: You definitely have more speed than power but Morneau/Youk/LaRoche is a pretty solid group of cornermen for 14 team. And Raburn is a sneaky good pic for 2B power. But 9×9 makes speed less important so I’d try to swap Andrus or Pagan for more power. As for pitching, your team seems okay. Saves lose some value if you also have holds so I probably wouldn’t fret about having one closer – you can make it up in holds. I think you might’ve went a little K happy at the expense of WHIP in getting Scherzer and Morrow but Weaver/Haren is a solid 1-2 punch.

  58. Bill Lumbergh says:

    @Rudy Gamble: Does it help if I add that this is just a trade of keepers, with the draft coming next weekend. Keepers are limited to 6 hitters, 4 SP, & 3 RP, so speedy outfielders are readily available. I inherited the roster, as I would have never kept a SAGNOF like Gardner. Thanks again Rudy, love the site. By the way nice job on XM the other day!!!

  59. @Bill Lumbergh: So if the trade is just Miggy for Howard and you get Miggy….even for one year…..yeah, you win the trade.

  60. @Blinkuldhc: We thought Fielder went cheap – thought he’d be at $35 vs. $31. I like Castro a lot this year. From a Point Share perspective (using 12-team NL), I have him at +1.41 points more than the average SS (R=0.5, HR=-1.0, RBI=0.3, SB=0.5, AVG=1.1) where Desmond is at +0.72 (R=0.0, HR=0.1, RBI=0.4, SB=0.5, AVG =-0.1). Basically, Castro’s AVG advantage is cancelled out by Desmond’s power advantage. They are almost identical on RBI and SB. Castro is better b/c of Runs.

    As for Posey, catchers are risky and most experts prefer not to invest too much in one catcher. I had Posey worth $31 so I agree with you….but we went into our draft knowing we needed to punt catcher to get a top 1B, OF, speed threat, and solid SP ace.

  61. Ian says:

    Hey Rudy,

    Since your opinion often is different from Greys, what are your thoughts on Bautista? Some of his peripherals suggest he won’t completely bust in 2011 (trading some power for BA maybe?). For instance, Ron Schandler has him down for 37 HRs and a .270 average. Your point shares ranking suggest you are a little higher on him than Grey. Or is that due to his position flexibility?

    And what about Heyward? We’ll need to see some serious changes to his GB/FB numbers for him to reach 25+ HRs. You see him making that jump in 2011 already?

  62. @Ian: my projections (which are cobbled together from a few sources like marcel and zips and adjusted for playing time) are 95/37/103/7/.251. I don’t feel great about those R/HR/RBI marks – let’s say this is a best case and he can only be worth less than his Point Shares rank. I think 85/30/85/5/.245 is more likely.

    I have Heyward at 97/23/93/14/.286. With his crazy GB rate of 55%, I think 5 more HR vs. last year is realistic. But if they can get him to swing with a little more uppercut, he can definitely be a 30-40 HR guy.

  63. Rick says:

    The catchers across the board are a significant bargain when compared to the points share valuation. Is there is a reason why you did not target catchers to gain that value?

  64. @Rick: I’ve found that catchers carry more risk of not making their projected stats. Over the past two years, I’ve been burned by Russ Martin, Geovany Soto, Kurt Suzuki, and, to a lesser extent, Joe Mauer. We agreed going in to spend only about $5 between our two catchers. I would’ve loved it if everyone else bid up catchers closer to Point Share values but I think most view catchers the same as above…

  65. Rick says:

    I’d be interested in your predraft positional $$ breakdown. The thought process behind those amounts optional.

  66. @Rick: Not sure what you mean – can you be more specific?

  67. Rick says:

    Well you said you only planned to spend $5 on your catchers. That assumes that you have a cap or range for the other positions i.e.

    It seemed you have one of the better teams and I was hoping to gain something more from your approach.

  68. Something like…2C for $5, 1B for $35-$42, 2B for $10, SS for $30 if Reyes, otherwise $10, 3B for $5, OF for $70 or so with a lot going to the top hitter, a few dollars each for CI, MI, UTIL. No more than $23 for an ace pitcher, $25 for the next two pitchers, $6 for 3 other SPs, $20 for a top reliever, $5 for a closer in waiting, $5 for two other relievers

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